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With Ohio This Election's Deciding State, Here Is The Truth Behind Its "Jobs Miracle"

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Forget Florida. This election it is all about Ohio: without Ohio, Romney's winning chances plummet (as can be observed at the following interactive chart), even if one ignores history which is that since 1862 no Republican has won the presidency without winning Ohio. This is a fact well-known to the Obama administration, which explains why the incumbent has spent so much time in the ravaged state, where he has spent so much time ruminating on the the Ohio "unemployment rate miracle." Sure enough, in September, the Ohio unemployment dipped to 7.0%, the lowest since September 2008! On the surface, a tremendous metric and great improvement for a state that would have certainly been firmly in the pro-GOP camp had Obama not been able to hammer on this statistic time and time again. Yet, as always, the unemployment rate is only part of the story. The bigger question is whether or not another data set is being fudged to make the Ohio jobs situation appear better than it is in real life. The answer is, predictably, yes.

As the chart below shows, even as the unemployment rate was declining, the labor force participation rate for this most critical of states plunged to 63.6%: the lowest since the "end of the recession" (even as the national LFP rate saw a modest uptick in the past two months), but more importantly is the lowest for Ohio since 1984. Which means one simple thing, a thing which can be inferred by looking at the historical convergence of the two data sets (participation rate is shown on the left inverted axis): once the pre-election "data nudging" ends, and the LFP is allowed to reflect reality, watch as the Ohio unemployment rate explodes to over 10%, which is what its fair value is according at least to the participation rate. But by then the game of pre-election optics will be over, and Ohioans will realize that promises, propaganda and reality never, ever coexist peacefully.

BloombergBriefs confirms this observation:

The state of Ohio is seen as pivotal in the election. The size of the labor force in Ohio, which once was home to a vibrant manufacturing industry, has declined by about 85,000 workers over the past four years. The unemployment rate of 7 percent is below the national rate of 7.9 percent, probably because some people stopped looking for work and are not counted as unemployed. The labor force participation rate is 63.6 percent in both the U.S. and Ohio, indicating a “real unemployment rate” of something closer to 10 percent.

Q.E.D.

Finally, for those who say the drop in the participation rate is due to a demographic shift of the population, this is and has been a dead wrong statement. As we showed in the past week, virtually all job gains at the national level since Obama took power have occurred in the 55-69 age group, which has risen by about 4 million workers, even as those in the prime demographic of 25-54 have lost over 2 million jobs, for one simple reason: the elderly are forced to return to the labor force in droves because under ZIRP their saving have zero purchasing power, which in turn skews the hirings toward those who have little wage negotiating leverage and substantially more job experience than their younger, inexperienced job hunting competition.

 


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Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment RacerX
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I live in Ohio and can confirm there is no miracle here.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Orly
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People on the ground might actually resent having blue smoke blown up their ass.

Jus' sayin'.

:D

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Governor Scott in Florida is doing the same crap, dropping people off the unemployment rolls for the slightest clerical error to make his ass look good.  The job growth in Florida is pathetic when compared to the population growth rate.  Same shit, different state.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'm taking my talents to South Beach...

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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You'll do well in South Beach...

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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If ex-President 'W' made made public appearances in OH on behalf of Romney, this election would be over.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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A vote for Gary Johnson is not a vote for Obama, nor a vote for Romney, it is a vote for Gary Johnson.

A is A.  A is not B.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Like trying to run a triple reverse 'Statue of Liberty' play on 4th & goal at the one foot line... Me?... I think I'll punt...

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I was again pondering the issue as to how the BLS measures unemployment last night, spurred on by an encounter with this explanation as to how the economist John Williams (of Shadow Government Statistics) compiles his SGS Alternate Alternate Unemployment Rate:

The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.

So while the media pretty much only touts a very misleading U3 number in their headlines and the "official" (although, again, rarely if ever actively 'spoken of' by main stream stream media outlets nor agencies of government) U6 is approximately 15%, Williams, using the methodology that was used prior to 1994 (i.e. also including "long-term discouraged workers") to calculate U6, demonstrates that under the pre-1994 formula, U6 would actually currently be close to 24%.

How or why would any sensible and objective person (considering things like the basic rules of arithmetic, logical & scrutiny of BLS methodology) not conclude that the "official" unemployment rate that is tabulated by the BLS understates the actual rate of unemployment in the U.S. by such a massive percentage as to render U3 a meaningless data point, arguably constituting official government propaganda?

Maybe it's time for a complete revision of the method by which the unemployment rate is calculated, in an effort to actually allow more people knowledge of the true rate of unemployment and labor rate participation.

I would love to see a graph and/or chart that plots the correlation between both U6 and the SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate versus the % change in participation in certain governmental subsidy programs, such as SNAP & Social Security Disability Insurance, as well as participation rates in certain entitlement programs, particularly the subset of individuals eligible to access Social Security and Medicare earlier than is typical, and have chosen to do so.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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Quoting Aristotle is way too advanced for most voters.  I think you need to ratchet it down a bit.  Try this...

"Hewwo" -Elmer Fudd

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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For Obama I assume?  Actually, people have such short term memories.  They probably remember how Bush followed his campaign promises of no nation building and a more humble foreign policy.  They would also forget his administration's creation of the TARP program, as well as stimulus checks being sent out to citizen of Amerika. 

Fuch the elephants and fuck the donkeys. https://twitter.com/FamilyRotten/status/265814196166483969/photo/1

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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LOL.  I believe you are correct, sir.  'W' has destroyed the Republican party.  When commentators mention that Romney has to be elected or "traditional Americans" are doomed, I have to laugh.  That horse has left the barn and the man holding the door was named George Walker Bush.

Come on 'W' (or 'HW') pop your head out of your gopher hole and publicly endorse Mitt Romney.  We all could use a laugh.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I do like using facts to debunk neocons...I mean republicans.  Like this, for instance, from Lew Rockwell yesterday -

Writes Jim Fedako:

FYI. Roe v. Wade was decided 7–2 by a court that was 6–3, Republican appointees v. Democrat appointees. One of the dissents was a Democrat. That means 5 of the 6 Republican agreed with the decision. This alone exposes the canard that is now the talking point: the next president decides the court. While the statement is prima facie true, its implication, that only Democratic appointees are evil, is false. From Roe v. Wade (a small, but high-profile sample), we see that only 67% of the Democrats are evil (with regard to the sanctity of life), while 84% of the Republicans are. Another reason that voting is useless.

And of course, there is the "conservative" John Roberts appointed by Bush who upheld Obamacare.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Yeah, I suppose if you're gonna start in with facts and stuff, you might be right.  But you've got to admit the Republicans have gotten a lot of mileage out of the abortion issue.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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particularly when you include the skidmarks.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Acet
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OMG, not the whole Abortion debate as way of gauging the evilness of the Court's judges!

Don't you guys have anything more important to worry about than a derivative of the Monty Pythons "Every sperm is sacred" sketch or if a man will stick his willy up another men's bottom (or a woman will muff-dive on another woman)? You know, things like two wars and likelly an upcoming third one, the erosion of personal rights (indefinite arrest without warrants, wiretaping without warrants, police abuses), the takeover of government by corporate interests and, oh I don't know, THE FUCKING ECONOMY!???

The US is sinking and some people only care about playing the harp in the orchestra while it goes down.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I am just simply pointing out to the evangelical right that their beloved Republican party is not their savior.  Now, I want to talk to you about our lord and savior Jesus Christ.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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There was no "Romney Girl" on youtube (at least that I noticed, even though I wouldn't and couldn't be bothered to look for such triviality).

That must mean Obamney is going to be President of Idiocracy.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I do like using facts to debunk neocons...I mean republicans.  Like this, for instance, from Lew Rockwell yesterday -

Writes Jim Fedako:

FYI. Roe v. Wade was decided 7–2 by a court that was 6–3, Republican appointees v. Democrat appointees. One of the dissents was a Democrat. That means 5 of the 6 Republican agreed with the decision. This alone exposes the canard that is now the talking point: the next president decides the court. While the statement is prima facie true, its implication, that only Democratic appointees are evil, is false. From Roe v. Wade (a small, but high-profile sample), we see that only 67% of the Democrats are evil (with regard to the sanctity of life), while 84% of the Republicans are. Another reason that voting is useless.

And of course, there is the "conservative" John Roberts appointed by Bush who upheld Obamacare.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment TheProphet
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Neither side will EVER do anything to meaningfully resolve the abortion issue.

What more polarizing, motivating, distracting issue could they ever find to replace it?

And, you can talk about Republicans getting mileage out of the issue, but it is the Democrats who use it daily in their fear-mongering. The Obama campaign is running ads in swing states talking about it. Joe Biden huffed about the Supreme Court at the end of the debate.

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Over for Romney.  Bush isn't liked very well by OH voters much.  In reality though, I think Dubya has become disenfranchised with politics.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment ONO47
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Dubya's disenfranchisement is about 12 years too late.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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I might have said 66 years too late.  But I won't.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Who is reporting it's over for Romney and why?

Is it more than wild speculation?

(I detest deeply captured Obamney, otherwise known as each deeply captured "candidate" of each deeply captured "party" equally, but was just curious).

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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LOL. I'm not saying it's over for Romney.  I'm just saying if a couple of very senior, elderly Republican statesmen took to the stump in OH today, we'd get a "November Surprise".  Why have they been holding back?  Why hasn't Romney invoked the spirit of their leadership?

LOL.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Ludwig Van
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A challenger from Mass. goes up against the incumbent, makes the fight look good, i.e. convincing, but is inevitably doomed to lose: The forfeit is foregone from the first.

But what a man! -- to take one for the team, his valor not to go unrewarded.

It is 2004. Again.

 

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Win or lose, let's just face the facts: the most vulnerable President since Hoover has battled Romney right down to the wire (at least).  The Republicans could have chosen from dozens of alternative candidates (not any of the bozos from the primary season) and Romney was their choice.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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Yeah the market for gigolos and male prostitues seems to have picked up ever since the RNC was down there.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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To economics9698.........

 

Ditto that from North Central and North East Florida.  Scott may be good on paper in terms of his "Libertarian" credentials.....but he is engagiing in the same "CYA" tactics as all politicians of both stripes...liberal or conservative.  He has not kept his promises of spectacular job growth.  His downsizing....or attempts...at downsizing Floridian government has not benefited the state at large....but does allow him some wiggle room to spin.

Now we have this crazy plan going through the halls of power to lower tuitions for students who pursue majors that the state deems worthy enough....such as math, engineering and technology.  While these are worthy majors for attention in the 21st century......how can a Libertarian / Conservative administration and state congress even look at themselves in the mirror when they now want to dictate what any individual can pursue in college?

Seems the antithesis of libertarianism.  But as a Libertarian myself and who tries to do the moronic thing that George Carlin said he always tried to do....namely think......I have seen that a lot of Libertarians are simply fascists of another stripe.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment FrankDrakman
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I have seen that a lot of professed Libertarians are simply fascists of another stripe.

There, fixed that for you.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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like any popular label, the definition varies with the user.

which is why label-wearers are often lumped together. . . useful.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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No snark....mea culpa....thanks for the clarification....should have known better and wrote better.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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As an employer in Florida I take exception to your comment.

Sorry to have to say that most of Florida's UE is made up of

shiftless .lazy people, scrounging on the dole.

You need to suffer the frustration of trying to employ them,

to understand.Gone thru' 3000+ to get 15 that were worth employing.

Sorry if you are UE, but theres plenty of work out there,if you look.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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Shocker, Obama talking out his ass! According to some, he shits roses and daffodils!

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:20 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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one more reason this election to JUST SAY NO TO VOTING

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment pods
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Easy vast, let them have their day.  The general attitude I have seen so far today is that the hopium partaking started bright and early.  The hangover will be tomorrow.

Today will be one long orgasm of pride and patriotism.  Tomorrow will be back to rowing.

The idiots on my local radio show wanted callers to call in who were going to hire people if Romney got elected.  Yep, partaking early everyone was.

pods

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment odatruf
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I voted at 8:30am in my swing state.  There were long lines out the door into the parking lot.  Not as many candidates as normal standing near the door and not too many people registering same day (we can do that in NH).

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment pods
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The one polling place I drove by seemed to have a decent crowd first thing in the morning.  

Speaking of candidates, my wife took my kids to a local festival the past Saturday. One candidate handed my young daughter a card with his schtick, but first the fucker signed it. Gave her his autograph!

That is what this place has become.  A guy wanting to become MY public servant is now giving autographs to my kids?

I did get a chuckle out of it because someone gave them a couple little R&R stickers.  I put one on a guys car I work with, right next to his obama sticker. 

Gotta have fun in life!

pods

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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That is what this place has become.  A guy wanting to become MY public servant is now giving autographs to my kids?

 

We're all American Idol now.

 

By the way....nice touch on the bumper sticker....LOL !!

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Incubus
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voting... 

Hopeless naivety is a great substitute for wisdom & experience.

Wide-eyed masses high on the bullshit being peddled. 

 

Just be wary, because these people won't let go of their delusions until they're ready for violence. 

 

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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...and I live in America and can confirm the Obamedia is not exposing the above charts.  Hence, the reality is what the sheep herding MSM says.

 

However, good work once again ZH!

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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What no one wants to talk about is that social security and other retirement benefits are now a complete and total drag on wages.  If I'm in the 55+ category, my cost of employment can be considerably lower than the 25-54 bracket simply because I have so many supplements to my income.  Moreover, I have no student loan debt, de minimis credit card debt, and I have a bit of assets squirreled away if things become too desperate.  Bottom line, I can work cheaper than my younger counterparts, at least for a while.  Until the cost of living increases so much that it completely and totally eclipses wages (probably not too far, realistically), retirementish age folks returning to the work force is an incredible drag on wage rates.  [aside from simply increasing supply of labor]. 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment odatruf
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Actually, the highest level of debt is held by those aged 50 to 54. See http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/201112/37349_CreditKarmaImage.jpg

It isn't until the over 70 age group that the total debt held amount drops below that of somewhat younger people.

And since you can't get any earlier than 62 (not 55), there isn't much in the way of income support that those people didn't create / save themselves.

Plus, price a health insurance policy for some aged 55 compared to 25 and you'll reason number 1 why it is much much cheaper to hire the younger person.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Actually, the highest level of debt is held by those aged 50 to 54. See http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/201112/37349_CreditKarmaImage.jpg

It isn't until the over 70 age group that the total debt held amount drops below that of somewhat younger people.

Even if tied in total debt, that still doesn't disprove the point that supplemental income in the 55-69 bracket creates downward pressure on wages and that these people can work for less.  Further, the graph doesn't really break down debt service costs, but it should be heavily noted that supplemental/retirement income is largely protected from creditor attachment.

And since you can't get any earlier than 62 (not 55), there isn't much in the way of income support that those people didn't create / save themselves.

Wild speculation.  If true, then I fail to see why there would be any issue with the solvency of the social security trust fund...

Plus, price a health insurance policy for some aged 55 compared to 25 and you'll reason number 1 why it is much much cheaper to hire the younger person.

We're not talking about salaried high paying jobs here...  these are the JOBS ADDED in the present economy...  they're basically minimum wage/part time jobs.  Why do you think that health insurance would even be considered?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment odatruf
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MachoMan - if we are talking about SS payments, then it is not wild speculation that 62 is the earliest it can be had; it's the law of the program. The reason there is a solvency problem is because benefits paid out out pace the taxes paid in, when factored across the actuarial tables.

The reason health care matters is because as a result of the ACA, business with more than 50 employees MUST either buy the employees coverage or pay a penalty.  And while the penalty is less expensive than the health policy, it isn't a cheap as the penalty an individual will face and it is scheduled to ramp up quickly so that it will matter.

As for the supplemental income of the plus 55 set, if it isn't SS, then it must be income from savings or other investments.  If that is the case, then ZIRP has seen to it that you must have significant resources to generate any stable and appreciable income.  The people with those resources are not working into their old age.

I appreciate your response to my comment, but you could not be more wrong about almost all of it. But, you remain one of my favorite wrestlers, Randy. RIP.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Here is your comment: And since you can't get any earlier than 62 (not 55), there isn't much in the way of income support that those people didn't create / save themselves.

Again, if everyone pays for everything they get out, then please explain to me the solvency problem.

The reason health care matters is because as a result of the ACA, business with more than 50 employees MUST either buy the employees coverage or pay a penalty.  And while the penalty is less expensive than the health policy, it isn't a cheap as the penalty an individual will face and it is scheduled to ramp up quickly so that it will matter.

We're talking about current data...  not pontificating upon the ramifications of a 2700 page document no one bothered to read and that may or may not get trashed post election.  Please stay on topic.

As for the supplemental income of the plus 55 set, if it isn't SS, then it must be income from savings or other investments.  If that is the case, then ZIRP has seen to it that you must have significant resources to generate any stable and appreciable income.  The people with those resources are not working into their old age.

Moving the goal posts.  No one is claiming that they can live off of the income...  this is why they're going back to work in the first place...  however, that doesn't change the fact that some (for the 55+ bracket) is more than none (everyone younger).

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment odatruf
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Macho - everyone does not pay for everything they get out of SS.  It's a ponzi scheme that used to roughly link what you paid in with what you paid out, on average and with some accounting that tilted the payout toward the lower earners. But that isn't true anymore. The demographics and promises made out strip the income stream. Within the next ten years, SS will run through the money it takes in from FICA payments, exhaust the trust fund surplus (meaning the general fund writes those checks) plus all due interest. When that happens, either SS will be forced to reduce payments by about 1/3rd or the general tax base will be forced to make up the difference or people will have to pay more into the fund.

As for health care, this isn't a "pontificating upon the ramifications of a 2700 page document". This is the law of the land, which has been upheld by the SCOTUS. This will happen on Jan 1, 2014. Any change to that would now need an act of Congress, including the Senate overcoming the 60 vote filibuster. So, I'd say this is backed into the cake. Even a Romney win isn't enough. Nor is winning Senate control. You simply must understand the inertia of the status quo in this case.

In any case, Macho, I have no problem agreeing to disagree.  The older people being forced back into the workforce do not have any assets that kick of income for them. And, they are more in debt than those just starting out. Plus, because of their age and experience, they normally demand higher wages.  I don't see why this is so unbelievable to you.

At best, we can agree that the presence of more workers - of any age cohort - should keep wage pressure under control.  That is a simple S and D curve.

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Macho - everyone does not pay for everything they get out of SS.  It's a ponzi scheme that used to roughly link what you paid in with what you paid out, on average and with some accounting that tilted the payout toward the lower earners. But that isn't true anymore. The demographics and promises made out strip the income stream. Within the next ten years, SS will run through the money it takes in from FICA payments, exhaust the trust fund surplus (meaning the general fund writes those checks) plus all due interest. When that happens, either SS will be forced to reduce payments by about 1/3rd or the general tax base will be forced to make up the difference or people will have to pay more into the fund.

No problem with this, but for the fact that it isn't what you wrote earlier.  I'll consider the bout face a victory on this point.

As for health care, this isn't a "pontificating upon the ramifications of a 2700 page document". This is the law of the land, which has been upheld by the SCOTUS. This will happen on Jan 1, 2014. Any change to that would now need an act of Congress, including the Senate overcoming the 60 vote filibuster. So, I'd say this is backed into the cake. Even a Romney win isn't enough. Nor is winning Senate control. You simply must understand the inertia of the status quo in this case.

Well...  if we're talking about something that is to happen in 2014, then we're _________________________.  Again, it has nothing to do with a graph of TODAY's issues.  Sure, the trends might change later, but that's not what we're talking about.  Please do not move the goal posts.

In any case, Macho, I have no problem agreeing to disagree.  The older people being forced back into the workforce do not have any assets that kick of income for them. And, they are more in debt than those just starting out. Plus, because of their age and experience, they normally demand higher wages.  I don't see why this is so unbelievable to you.

This might come as a shock to you, but labor does not dictate wages.  Labor has long since lost the war with capital.  The jobs that are being added to the economy (at present) are menial, low paying jobs.  Older people coming back into the workforce are getting minimum wage/low paying jobs.  They do not get to dictate anything about the terms of their employment, regardless of the amount of experience they may have. 

The simple issue is that everyone is in debt up to their eyeballs.  The only difference being some of these folks get creditor protected payments for retirement, etc.  This (at present) allows them to work cheaper.  If trends continue, then this is purely academic because their living expenses will eclipse their wages combined with their supplemental payments.  However, again, we are talking about the present.

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 14:55 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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Macho,

Cause of “solvency problem“?

1 payroll taxes collected diverted (now and for decades) to wars and bankster bailouts

2 spiraling costs to subsidize “for profit” health care rackets

3 To avoid the economics of confronting these issues, social costs from “war on drugs”, militarism, factory food production, and environmental pollution handed off to SS and medicare. In particular, SS was intended and funded to be a retirement program , not a substitute (especially) for a runaway disability program.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 15:06 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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If you think that SS was ever intended to be anything than it has become, then you are missing the forest for the trees.  But at least acknowledging the solvency problem puts you ahead of 95% of the rest of folks.  Please do not expect that your government has your best interest in mind...  it will lead to all sorts of perverted theories.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/06/romney-up-92k-in-oh-early-voting/

Romney up 92K in OH early voting?

So says Gannett’s Cincinnati.com, which has the data from the state government posted at its site this morning. I put the question mark on the data because I don’t see anything up yet at the Ohio Secretary of State’s website, but occasionally the media will get updates prior to the website. According to the data, Mitt Romney already has 697,143 votes before the polls opened a couple of hours ago, while Barack Obama only has 605,546, a difference of almost 92,000 votes.  The data is time-stamped at 2:03 ET this morning, and the link on the front page of the site reads, “Early voters: How Ohio has voted.”

A few counties have not yet reported any early-voting results, but one county in particular looks huge.  Cuyahoga, which includes Cleveland, should be a Democratic stronghold, and perhaps the one area where Democratic early-voting efforts should have produced their biggest lead.  Instead, Romney has a lead of about 14,000 votes already, 127,570 to 113,373.  In Hamilton County, where Cincinnati itself is located, Romney leads by over 5,000, 29,969 to 24,808.  A quick scan of the data shows Romney leading in every county with more than 25,000 EVs.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Orly
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Don't get all happy.  Early voters are usually conservative and vice versa.  One thing that I am surprised about is the margin involved.  The gap is much more than can be written off as "conservatives vote early," so you may be on to something.  Karl Rove said the same thing in his piece on the WSJ a few days ago.

He also said he has numbers that Obama's young voter drive in Ohio has flopped miserably, leading to numbers like those stated in your post.  Seems Rmoney has been doing better than Obama amongst young voters.

Very odd.

:D

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment adr
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Early voters are always strongly democratic in Ohio. You haven't head of the inner city churches that fill out absentee ballots for their congregation?

Ask an inner city black on the street if they voted in the last election. You'll most likely get a "yeah". Then ask if they actually went to a polling location, often you'll get a "Hell no, I ain't waitin in no line." Then you ask how they voted then. You'll get an answer like, "The service does it for me" or "Man my church sends my vote."

Jesse Jackson in action.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment Orly
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I did not know dat.

In that case, the early numbers for Rmoney are quite shocking.  Could it be over already?  Talk about anti-climactic!

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment odatruf
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What people do not understand is that the Romney team hasn't focused on the big pep rally style of organizing which makes a lot of noise but translate into relatively little action, but has instead has undertaken the more painstaking work of person to person engagement and GOTV efforts. The college republicans from BYU and other Morman schools have been an army for Romney and have been placed all over the swing states to work with lists of likely voters to do early voting and anything needed to make sure that these people show up. This under the radar work won't show up in polls or on your nightly teevee news, but they have been adding votes once check mark at a time.

BTW - this plan started in 2006 when teams of BYU kids were sent to key congressional races in the face of the Democrat's tidal wave. They learned about grassroots organizing and have been at it ever since.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Orly
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Did you see the "massive" turn-out at President Obama's final show in Ohio?  Last one of the campaign.

I think the picture speaks a thousand words to what you just said and is why I think this thing is over already, judging from the reports coming off the ground there.

Have a look-see at these.  Very telling, indeed:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/05/Obama-closes-to-half-...

:D

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment odatruf
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Yeah, but in their defense wasn't Dancing with the Survivor Boo Boo Idol on that night?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Hey, maybe Ohio can lead the impeachment charge then?

 

Oh right, that would have already happened, since there arent any more laws left for the bozo to break.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Gordon Freeman
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The Ohio meme is pure MSM horseshit. Romney can lose Ohio, and still win--wait and see.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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I'd be curious to know how much public money has gone into Ohio since the Obama administration took office four years ago.

They knew at the time Ohio would be critical for the second term and I would bet that plans to guarantee that outcome were in place back then.

Follow the money...

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Ask yourself how many times in the past two weeks have you heard someone say "the economy is improving" when you know it's a damn lie?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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My dad is a retired Chrysler worker from Ohio. According to him "the factories are running and people will remember that when they vote".  Having said that he also said...."ït doesn't matter because we are still screwed no matter who wins" I was glad to hear him say that because he was caught up in the red versus blue for as long as I can remember.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment adr
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The factories are running but they are doing nothing but channel stuffing dealer lots. I expect that to end after the election. Tens of thousands will get pink slips after the election is over and the mad dash to sell a few million cars in two months will begin.

If Romney wins, the unions will blame him for the layoffs. If Obama wins they will just say it is a temporary setback. The bosses won't care because if Obama wins they'll get paid.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Manthong
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 Here is something to comfort dad in his old age..

“According to the Somali Community Association of Ohio’s web site, over 45,000 Somalis live in Ohio. Only 40 percent have become citizens of the United States, and only 25 percent speak English well enough to get a job.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Incubus
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Chocolate rations are up!

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Orly
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That "chocolate" is 80% wax.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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It doesn't matter what Corporate Controlled Government News Agency you watch today to get the election results. They all get the results from NEP. They'll all be feeding the sheeple the identical PsyOp of "we just got in these results." Remember it's paid actors providing a script "Program" for viewer consumption. Stealing elections since 2000. Now it's a perfected art.

The National Election Pool (NEP) is a consortium of American news organizations formed in 2003 to provide "information on Election Night about the vote count, election analysis and election projections." See NEP's FAQ. Member companies consist of ABC News, the Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News and NBC News. The organization relies on the Associated Press to perform vote tabulations and contracted with Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International to "make projections and provide exit poll analysis."

The precursor was Voter News Service, which was disbanded in 2003, after controversies over the 2000 and 2002 election results. The NEP plan is largely the suggestion of CNN, which used Edison/Mitofsky as consultants in the past. Mitofsky headed the original pool that preceded VNS.

The organizers of the pool insist that the purpose of their quick collection of exit poll data is not to determine if an election is flawed, but rather to project winners of races. Despite past problems, they note that none of their members has incorrectly called a winner since the current system was put in place. [1] However, to avoid the premature leaking of data, collection is now done in a "Quarantine Room" at an undisclosed location in New York. All participants are stripped of outside communications devices until it's time for information to be released officially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Election_Pool

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I won't be watching any elections results. I really don't give a rat's ass. I plan on working out....having a couple Guinness beers and checking out the happenings on the Hedge.  I'll let the tv tell me what to think tomorrow.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I with on you on that.  By the way, they were Yeungling black and tans.  I would rather have a Guinness and HARP version of it though.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I thought of you when I posted...Black and Tans sounded good last night but I was just to tired,and nobody was posting here....tonight is a different story. I look forward to some lively conversation on the Hadge.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Doc - There is no such thing as a black and tan w/o Guinness and Harp.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Dexter Morgan
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I can also confirm there are no miracles in Arizona.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Orly
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It's really coming down to Virginia.  it will be the first battleground state to report and the polls have it shifting back and forth for the past month or so.  If the Republicans can pick up a senate seat there, and Romney can carry the state, it is a fair bet that rest of the country feels the same way.

:D

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chicago-source-tells-author-brad-thor-ob...

Chicago Source Tells Author Brad Thor: Obama Campaign Planning to Proclaim Early Victory to ‘Demoralize Romney Supporters’
Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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"DEWEY WINS!"

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Orly
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Yeah, that worked.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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There's a dynamic in the senate race that runs contrary to the presidential dynamic- the corrupt Governor Good ol' Boy is an acceptable alternative to corrupt Governor Macaca is rural Virginia, so for the Republicans winning the Senate seat is probably more difficult than winning the electoral votes.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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Ohio is a dying dinosaur much like most of the unionized midwest states. Overpaid civil servants will be suprised when their fat pensions will be hacked down to nothing.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment adr
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all thanks to Johnson's Great Society and the war on the mafia. Once the mafia was taken down, the blacks spread like wildfire and Ohio was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

Ohio is now controlled by blacks and Jews. Cleveland is the home of the personal injury Jew and the food stamp black, a combination no city can survive.

Columbus has been taken over by Somalians thanks to Bill Clinton. Youngstown has been dead for over a decade, Toledo is now owned by the Chinese, and Cincinnati hasn't mattered since the Irish moved out.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment jumbo maverick
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People from the Cleveland area know. If you aren't from there just make sure to drive down the shore way and looking to the south you will see the Cleveland food bank. You can't miss that massive building. And if there is any doubt just look a little more to the west and you'll see the social security building right in the front parking lot of the food bank building.

One stop shopping at its finest.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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Spot on.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Well I dont know what you lot are talking about.  I have just been out and given my field full of unicorns a whole trough full of skittles for breakfast.

And to be fair, the rainbow at the end of my garden left a nice pile of shiny gold when it fucked off earlier mind.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment reload
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but you didn`t make those skittles.

 

This will make you laugh though: Gordon Brown turned up to give a talk at the UN on `global education` or some such bull. The ONLY attendee in the whole place who was there to listen was the columnist from the Dialy Telegraph - who had obviously drawn that days shortest straw.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Reload,

Nothing, and I mean nothing at all is worth laughing about what that scotch cunt was party to here mate.

I hope and pray the fat cunt one day meets 96.  Either him or bliar.  The only word that does either justice is cunt, first rate self-serving war criminal cunts.  May they dance in hell the two fuckers.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment reload
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sadly, just one green available.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment adr
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The only people doing well in Ohio are blacks on welfare, health care workers, and those on government backed pensions.

Thanks to the lies told by the repeal Senate Bill 5 crowd last year, every school district is bankrupt. The issue never would have made it on the ballot without thousands of forged signatures.

Obama may win Ohio but it will be through a few hundred thousand fraudulent inner city votes. SEIU will be out in full force intimidating white voters. I even heard that they are going to bus blacks that have already voted to white areas to clog the polls. Create a denial of service attack.

Once again it will be proven that the elections in Iran are more legitimate that ours.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBoner_
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"substantially more job experience than their younger, inexperienced, pot smoking competition."

There...fixed if fer y'all ;o)

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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Like monetary policy, market participants blindly accept the narrative of the statists' institution (this time, the media) until reality sets in. Romney will win with apporoximately 53% of the popular vote and the institution (like the Fed) will wonder how they could have been so wrong.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment BurningFuld
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The government bureaucracy is scared to death of Romney. Thus the gratuitous data fudging.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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This is some seriou sarcasm, or serious lunacy.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Cole Younger
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Well, if the data is true, it matters not what the government numbers are does it? People will vote their pocket book...

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment BurgundianRon
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So is Obama a better distorter of facts, or is it Gov. Kasich (R) who is the better distorter? Let's not pretend either of these parties has a better grip on the 'baffle 'em with bullshit' routine. They're both quite adept!

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment fuu
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Strange how often Ohio comes up as the lynch pin to some plan.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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'All about Ohio' ok so the whole rest of the country is already verified in the bag...and its a dead even heat? This is all pure bollocks.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment adr
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If Romney loses Ohio he must win PA. If Romney wins PA then Obama doesn't really stand a chance.

Ohio used to matter a lot more to the country. It is a one day ship to almost 80% of the country's population. It is almost the entire demographic of the country fit into one state as well.

Until the worship of the coastal elite came back in vogue in the late '90s, Ohio was actually becoming the marketing and design center of the USA.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Well really all I mean is they supposedly know the outcome, except in 1 state? Its all just a rigged fraud....they dont even do this kind of crap in Venezuella.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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If Romney loses one quarter, and Obama loses 2 dimes and a nickle; who wins the election?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment mess nonster
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If their lips are moving and they are spouting statistics and if they are poitning to a graph, they are most definitely lying. By the way, who the fuck inverts the axis of a chart???? Why??? Is it because charts are inherently boring and if youre going to have any fun with them at all, it has to be kinky fun? What????

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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AMERICA NEEDS MORE RIKSHA PULLERS!!!

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"Ohioans will realize"

LOL. You mean they've been constantly duped for 209 years but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT?

Only things Ohioans will be realizing post-election is that they need to catch the new Dancing with the Stars, get their Christmas shopping done, play Farmville, update their Facebook page, etc.

In another 4 years we will hear the exact same f***ing thing from this perfectly average state of perfectly average ignorant moronic unquestioning servile voters - and every other state too. That is how it works.

Every 4 years the essentially braindead voters are treated to a political circus maximus which enables them to feel good about their country's political apparatus, that their opinions matter, the fate of the country is at stake, and things are about to change, and most importantly, to feel like a part of something large and important.

Every 4 years all of those things are shown to be a goddamned lie the sole purpose of which is to keep the electorate pacified and deluded. And it works like a charm.

PS: Fuck you Ohio, the MSM is using you like a cheap guttertrash whore, just like it did last time and how many times before? and will dump your corpse in a ditch sometime later this evening. You deserve it.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment markar
Tue, 11/06/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment DUNTHAT
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O ---- H .............

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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I hate both candidates but I wouldn't mind seeing Romney win just to watch the riots.  Gona be a lot of pissed off people with no obamaphone.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Poor people have already perfected rioting.  I would rather watch white people riot, as it would be mostly new to them now.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Incubus
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"Okay, let's riot--but who's going to organize the riot?" - Average white person

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment odatruf
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So long as we make sure to hit a starbucks on the way...

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Orly
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"Organise the riot?"

Oh, man.  That funny sure hit the spot.

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment markar
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One of the few benefits of living here in CA is we are inconsequential in Presidential elections and are therefore spared the relentless advertising. Even Feinstein didn't have to spend any money running for re election and no one even knows who her opponent is.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Kinskian
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A large and growing percentage of the US population is beyond economic appeals. From VDARE...

 

"Unfortunately, the new post-America has reached the point where who is the better economic manager may no longer matter."

"Take Nevada. While ostensibly a swing state, it is all but guaranteed to go Democratic despite having the worst economy in the country. The housing crisis, fueled by mass immigration and Bush's mortgage Hispandering, has devastated the state. Unemployment is well over 11 percent, and has actually increased considerably from when Barack Obama took office."

"But the state's high concentration of Hispanics combined with blacks means that there is a large percentage of the population simply beyond economic appeals. In fact, Hispanic voters in Nevada may even flip a Senate seat to the Democrats, despite the fact that their candidate is under investigation for corruption and wasn't even expected to be competitive."

"...Black and Hispanic identity politics make increasingly areas of the country essentially immune to elections. As in South Africa's one-party state, it doesn't matter what the economy is doing or what policies are pursued – after the nominations, everyone knows who is going to win the election. Regardless of how bad unemployment is in Stockton, California or Detroit, Michigan, Republicans are not going to win on a platform of tax cuts for the rich and pious platitudes about a Constitution written by hated white males."

http://www.vdare.com/articles/romney-the-white-working-class-and-the-limits-of-economism

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Tyrant of Dictator? Where to place your "X"? 

I used to think it must be terrible to live in the USSR and have only one candidate to vote for. Now, I know how they felt.

Look at the red blue maps and ask yourself, " who could be satisfied, regardless of the results? " 

The entire middle of the country vs both coasts. Luckily, the coasters are afraid to venture into the middle and the middle can't afford to venture into the coasts. 

One has the food and energy and the other has the action, wonder if this will be important one day? 

Well, there is sure to be one winner today- the foreign central banking cabal. Bilderberger party hardy.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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So we have a Decmocrat President being helped out by nationally manipulated jobs numbers, and a Republican State Govenor being halped out by state manipulated jobs numbers.  Tell me againt he difference between Democrats and Republicans?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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One squad of the team wears red jerseys; the other squad of the team wears blue. Other than that? Just the number of cheerleaders for each color.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment MilleniumJane
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I would like to hear from someone in Ohio:  Are the Dems and Pubs paying people to campaign for them?  In my state, the vast majority are volunteers, so I am wondering if special interest groups have been hiring people to work the phones, canvas the neighborhoods, stand on street corners...to me, this makes sense that the unemployment rate has dropped, like during the census of 2010.  Could be part of the reason why this year's elections is one of the most expensive in history.  And if I am sniffing in the right direction, those poor people are gonna be dropped like hot potatoes once the results are in.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Cobb
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I live in Mansfield, OH. I don't know whether any workers are paid, but I can attest to the fact that Romney workers have been more active. I haven't received one Obama call, but have received numerous Romney calls. Two Romney visits and one Obama. I won't be voting for either of the wankers. My hope in either party walked out the door a decade ago. I think it's a sad joke to instill people with the idea that they matter in this process. I just hope the rioting doesn't cost my family our home.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment jumbo maverick
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I'm in Ohio and the honorable president of the united states of America barrack bin Biden onslama bin Obama personally called me on the phone just about 20 minutes ago. He urged me to go vote. I actually got up out of my chair to turn the phone off. His message was received.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment lins216
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Reporting from NE Ohio

I'm not aware of what you're suggesting.  Perhaps some of the numbers can be explained by people finally getting something because their UE benefits ran out and there is always the shale aspect which is starting to get some traction. 

I know there were quite a few that took advantage of early voting in my area, the BOE was very busy when it was open for early voting.  I left a little after 10 AM today, no lines, no wait.  I can say from personal experience that I've been bombarded with emails, mail and calls from the Romney campaign and not ONE communication from Obama.  I have several family members and friends that voted for Obama the first time around, but are now voting for Romney.  I find that interesting, but I guess thats why Ohio swings.  My specific county and surrounding counties are strongly democrat (thanks to GM) so it's been quite a surprise to see the number of Romney signs and absence of very vocal support of Obama.   In general chit-chat at the store or gas station, I think it's fair to say that most folks don't like either option and just want it be OVER.  I think that's where people really are, they don't like Obama, but they don't hate Romney enough to get out and vote against him.  Maybe it's just my projection, but I feel like an undecided voter isn't someone who doesn't know who they will vote for, rather, they don't know if they will vote period.  So in my opinion, that hurts O more than R.

As for me, I vacillated from not bothering to vote, voting indie, but finally held my nose and went with Romney.  I'm not proud, but it came down to Obamacare.  I want it tossed on it's arse.  Quite frankly, it's not like either person has a viable solution.  In light of the host of more pressing issues, it would seem to me that "healthcare" will fade for now.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:44 | Link to Comment PaydayUK
Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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In election years, trends:

A) Gas tends to be at a stable level at the pump as opposed to the usual levels.  This has occured since 1972.  Once it's over, I expect gas to rise to $4.50-$5.25 after this is done as reality hits (along with a most likely brutal winter).

B) Job hiring. Hiring always seems to go up during election years ,no matter who is running for what.  Obviously, this is glaring for Ohio this year.

C) Job hires tend to favor the old.  Why? They vote, while the younger people like me, who are actually living in this crap economy and can deduct that the crisis we are still in is due to fraud, not economic policy, is why we as young voters have given up on the process.

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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I am voting for Mitt Romney just because I do not want to see Obama's glib fucking face anymore. I know this country is fucked regardless, but I wanna fucking vomit after every time I see Obama. 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Tombstone
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Records do not last forever.  Maybe the RINOS can win without Ohio.  For sure, The Dictator can't.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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Ohio? Isn't that Obama phone central? Good luck.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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While Georgia's "economic development department" ends up taking their major companies through theft?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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i ask you , if Ohio is so important in this election, why should I even vote here in Arizona?  i feel like the media has discounted my vote

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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Arizona is where illegals end up on their way to Ohio, SB1070 notwithstanding.

 

 

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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OBAMA WINS.

Prediction Markets Decided For Obama Months Ago...

http://stks.co/gESo

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 15:01 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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To think Ohio's doing better than states that have taken employers from them and that Ohio soundly rejected the ALEC pattern bills.  That says something for a state that has consistently rejected extremism whether it is 2010's form or 1958's.

 

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