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Guest Post: The Case For A Constitutional Convention In 2016

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

The Case For A Constitutional Convention In 2016

That which is unsustainable will go away, and the Status Quo is unsustainable on multiple levels.

Now that the billion-dollar theatrics between various vested interests have finally concluded, it's time to ask if there is an end-game to Imperial over-reach and corporatocracy.

The Status Quo won--no surprise there, as there was no other choice offered.

The Imperial Presidency won, too, of course; anyone anywhere can still be assassinated by order of the Imperial President, regardless of their citizenship. Anyone can be labeled "an enemy of the State" and either liquidated (high fives all around!) or crushed by the Espionage Act (transparency is a crime), Patriot Act (dissent is also criminal), the NDAA, or maybe another Executive Order.

The neofeudal Aristocracy also won, as vested interests were free to buy "free speech" in unlimited quantities.

Everyone at the trough of the Central State won, as the welfare state--personal transfers and corporate welfare, there's something for everyone--has created its own Id Monster, the tyranny of the majority: Tyranny of the Majority, Corporate Welfare and Complicity (April 9, 2010).

This pursuit of self-interest guarantees that the Savior State will lurch off the fiscal cliff at some point, much to the dismay of everyone feeding off it; it was supposed to be permanent, right? Alas, as the Buddha taught, permanence is illusory, even for global Empires.

Unfortunately for the Status Quo, this is the apogee of "extend and pretend." When the wheels finally come off the global economy in 2013, the Status Quo will not be able to "save the day" by lowering interest rates to zero--interest rates have already been zero for four years.

The Powers That Be will not be able to "save the day" by borrowing and blowing $1.3 trillion a year in "free money," because we've already been borrowing and blowing $1+ trillion every year for four years.

The Federal Reserve won't be able to "save the day" by buying $80 billion in Treasuries and mortgages every month--the infamous QE--it's already buying $80 billion a month, and has been doing so for four years.

That means the bag of tricks to "save us from recession" is finally empty. The next recession will sink its teeth into the Savior State and all the protected fiefdoms and cartels with a vengeance built up by four years of "extend and pretend."

The failure of "extend and pretend" and the Status Quo that sold it as the "fix" opens up the possibility that crisis will lead to real reform, the kind that requires a Constitutional Convention.

The Constitution allows for Constitutional Conventions, though one has never been called. In effect, every major 80-year crisis (the Civil War and World War II) was resolved with borrowed money, abundant cheap energy and an expansion of presidential powers.

Now that we're in a debt hole that deepens every day, and the Imperial Presidency already has virtually unlimited power, these are no longer solutions, they have become the problem.

A Constitutional Convention might focus on the four primary threats to democracy:

1. The corruption of elections. Perhaps corporations should not be considered people, regardless of what our intellectually bankrupt Supreme Court thinks. Perhaps publicly funded elections that cannot be corrupted with unlimited cash are an essential feature of authentic democracy.

2. The unlimited ability to borrow and monetize. No doubt the nation needs the flexibility to borrow money in times of crisis and war, but it is wise to enable unlimited borrowing and monetization via the Federal Reserve? The ability to borrow is a form of self-destruction which we will experience soon enough. Perhaps the Federal Reserve and the State's ability to borrow should be eliminated and we should start over with a system that isn't based on artifice and perception management.

3. The Imperial Presidency was not what the Founding Fathers had in mind--it was precisely what they feared. Perhaps it is time to revisit limitations on Presidential powers.

4. Post-Imperial America. Empire is affordable as long as the Empire can scoop up enough wealth via expansion to fund its ever-higher overhead. Once the inflow of wealth falls behind the rising costs of Empire, the Empire collapses. The Constitution doesn't preclude global Empire, but perhaps it should. Is Empire and the Imperial Presidency what America is about, or should be about?

2015 sounds like a decent year for crisis that cannot be wished away with perception management and "extend and pretend" financial slight-of-hand. That which is unsustainable will go away, and the Status Quo is unsustainable on multiple levels.


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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:49 | 2956183 Mercury
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Never going to happen.  We're extraconstitutional at this point.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:51 | 2956192 LawsofPhysics
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"Never going to happen without blood and civil war"  -  fixed.


Sorry, all I see is lazy sheep, so you are correct.  Long sharecropping, black markets, and all things physical.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:59 | 2956252 Mercury
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50 separate constitutional we're talkin' :)


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:07 | 2956297 pods
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To be honest we would need 10+ years of open discussion of liberty, and who actually owns your body before any of this would work.

I do think that people will learn exactly who is responsible for their own life in a few short years.

Might have to see if johngaltfla still has that series on his website?  That might be a good start.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2956306 Mercury
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The pro-government expansionists have won at least three national elections in a row (I’m being generous about Bush 2’s first term) and they don’t seem to have been constrained much by the constitution we already have so I don’t know where this groundswell of support for a stricter constitution is going to come from.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:11 | 2956325 redpill
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Which begs the question, why in the world would you want the current band of statist motherfuckers to be in charge of rewriting what's left of our Constitution?


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:16 | 2956364 Enslavethechild...
Wed, 11/07/2012 - 16:15 | 2957687 12ToothAssassin
Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:02 | 2959033 mjcOH1
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If it were either treason or could make a difference it would already be illegal.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:17 | 2956370 pods
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I think that Lysander Spooner is looking more and more correct as time goes by:

But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.-Lysander Spooner 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:59 | 2956704 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes, the very fact that we are in the position we are in with our current Constitution tells us that we never should have abandoned the Articles of Confederation.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:05 | 2956740 kralizec
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Had a buddy getting his graduate degree in early american history try to make that same point, of course we didn't so I cannot prove it, but I believe it highly likely the north american continent would be the vassals of various european powers had that happened.  But whatever, like that would have sucked any more or less than this end?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:48 | 2957288 TPTB_r_TBTF
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the US is a vassal of various european powers-that-be.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:55 | 2957327 pods
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I think we can narrow that down to the City of London.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:51 | 2957017 Raymond K Hessel
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The Articles are soft porn version of the Constitution.  The AoC is the lube that allowed federal government to slowly glide into our collective arse-hole.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:23 | 2956372 Mercury
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Well...exactly.  It will be like making a big to-do about bringing democracy to the Mid-East and then being shocked by what they vote for.

The (original) Bill of Rights would be reduced to sex and shopping.  And the president has had a "second bill of rights" in mind for a long time now.

The "Imperial Presidency" will decline anyway though...but it will be replaced with more international authority over Americans' lives.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:23 | 2956423 XitSam
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A Constitutional Convention is the worst idea ever. Better read Article 5. Note the "or by conventions in three fourths thereof" for ratification.  Nothing about how those state ratificaton conventions are convened. It doesn't have to be state legislatures!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:59 | 2956705 Urban Redneck
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That is 38 states, drop the 6 most radical at each end of the spectrum, and find an acceptable compromise amongst the remainder.

For Example, if a neutral outcome was desired, the "wishes" of the following 12 States could be entirely ignored, and it list could be shifted L/R but the difficulty is finding common ground (which is a lost skill in America)

Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Arkansas,

Vermont, Illinois, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, California

When enough people finally wake up and realize that the current system is unsalvageable, compromise will be necessary.

It's a long way off, but probably a good idea to have a road-map just in case the country does finally get its head out of its ass...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:42 | 2956958 gckings19
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3 things i would want

1.  take away the power of the congress to levy special targeted taxes or to give targeted tax breaks.  this will reduce the power of the congress as they will not be able to dole out favors or punish industries that they do not like.  taxes should apply to everyone or no one.

2.  Agencies need to have their rules approved by congress.  the red tape must stop.  it is choking the life out of our economy.  Also states should be able to opt out of these agency rules thru referendum....if 7/10 majority votes for it then the state can opt out of EPA, energy, education rules......give the states back their power.

3.  Congress must pass a budget.......if they dont then it stays flat. for the next year.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:39 | 2956535 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Spot on redpill.  But liberty dies to thunderous applause, and I saw plenty of applause last night.  Sheep with smiles from ear to ear.  Ra, Ra, Ra more Gubbamint!!!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:39 | 2956533 slickrock
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I thought it was 56, isn't that how many states Bam-Bam visted in his last term?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:23 | 2956425 Karlus
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Civil war is exactly what Russia is hoping for. Let the two sides fight it out and then move in on the winner.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:03 | 2956726 Buckaroo Banzai
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Exactly. Secession and political crisis are inevitable, and we have played into the Soviet's hands. Empirically, Obama has proven to have been the most effective Soviet agent ever employed.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:07 | 2956752 kralizec
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Now like then, we only need to encourage sloth, laziness, and all manner of unproductive endeavor designed to collapse the system.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:24 | 2956841 LawsofPhysics
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I still do business in Russia and they have numerous problems of their own.  What part of the earth is drowning in fiat don't you understand?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:53 | 2956664 lolmao500
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Yep. History teaches us that no problem of this magnitude is fixed with voting or protests. Only blood will solve it... and the blood of the innocent will be shed much more than the blood of the guilty.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:05 | 2956733 marathonman
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The tree of liberty needs fertilizing.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:53 | 2956211 toomanyfakecons...
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Just like the Commander in Chief is never going to get arrested by his subordinates in the military... until he is.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:09 | 2956308 HappyCamper
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A Constitutional Convention could happen, but it would be a convention run by despots. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2956390 Intoxicologist
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Or dipshits.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:28 | 2956456 seek
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Exactly. a Constitutional convention is the last thing anyone wanting freedom or to fix the system should want.

A CC is like the root password to hacking government, any change you want -- including very negative ones -- becomes trvial.

A far better approach would be a package of amendments agreed upon by the states for ratificiation.

However, the reality is we're operating extraconsitutionally already, and the supreme court is a branch of federal government that simply doesn't recognize state's rights anymore --the 10th amendment is pretty clear on state's rights, that those are a distant memory; so any new changes could be just as easily overridden by the supremes as the current document is.

We won't have real change until power reverts back to the states and the people, which most likely means not until the union is disolved (and possibly reformed.)

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:55 | 2956677 cougar_w
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Corporations will be all over a CC like white on rice. They'll throw money around and buy themselves an entirely new form of government. Who needs consumers? All they want is slave labor. You'll get a Middle Ages Feudal slave-State so fast it will make your head spin.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:23 | 2956830 Flakmeister
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Again you demonstrate that you are one of the more lucid observers here....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2956348 Abiotic Oil
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I'd be afraid a ConCon would go more like the fictional one does in the Enemies trilogy by Matt Bracken.

Really if they would just follow the first one as written and elminate the federal USC, we'd be good to go.  The founders wrote it taking into account their vast knowledge of human history and human nature and, if actually followed, put in place a great set of checks and balances.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 15:00 | 2957358 Buckaroo Banzai
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+1 for Matt Bracken reference.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:14 | 2956349 HelluvaEngineer
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Lulz.  What's the over/under on the number of pages of the next Constitution?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:31 | 2956478 Urban Redneck
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75 pages (with footnotes and lots of white space)

While the US congress critters were busy shredding Glass-Steagall and passing the CFMA in the 90's- a bunch of bankers, bible beaters, tree huggers, and welfare queens got together in the Swiss Alps actually managed to agree on a new Federal Constitution, which was largely based upon their 1874 Constitution. So it is possible, the problem is that neither the People, nor the Politicians, in the United States are ready for it (yet). It's a little bit wordy and politically correct, but then it was written by Europeans-

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:21 | 2956783 Ghordius
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+1 best Constitution ever written, best balance between Confederation, Sovereign States and Individuals, best everything.

btw the Swiss cheat:

1) they picked the best out of the US Constitution.

2) they had a successful 1848 liberal revolution first, and then a civil war that settled the question of centralization of power - even though the decentralizers lost they got most of what they wanted

3) They start the paper with "In the Name of the Almighty God!" (including exclamation mark)

4) They have the draft: yes, every able male is armed, there, is in the militia (this is that part of the US 2nd that they took very seriously), and it's the federal government that supplies the assault rifle and the ammo that he takes home and keeps there.

5) That paper is a living document in earnest: it's constantly changed through referenda.

6) Several key sovereign powers were never granted to the Confederation. Example: there is no federal police

7) The bottom level of their social security net is based on the community. If you are on the street, your "community-of-citizenship/origin" has to take care of you. But it might be a small village in the mountains instead of the city where you'd like to be a welfare queen.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:24 | 2956835 Flakmeister
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 Don't confuse people with details...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:26 | 2957185 hidingfromhelis
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The Constitution I worry about is the one that's 3,000+ pages long, not completed yet, that has to be approved before knowing what's in it, and that we're not allowed to view even after it's ratified.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:57 | 2957341 FWM
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Unfortunately, "the people" in the USA will never be ready for that nifty, politically correct Constitution, since they are no longer Europeans.  I mean where were the busloads of Somalis to go along with their "bankers, bible beaters, tree huggers, and welfare queens?"

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 15:17 | 2957443 Urban Redneck
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the busloads of Somalis are in Geneva

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:24 | 2956427 JPM Hater001
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I think they will get together but nothing useful will be achieved.  At best they make plastic silverware unconstitutional.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:33 | 2956492 Chupacabra-322
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@ Mercury,

No, we're Fascist at this point.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:46 | 2956987 takinthehighway
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The Southern National Congress is meeting in March...


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:50 | 2956188 thedrickster
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A constitutional convention in an epoch where the average Amerkian mushhead has been transformed into a state worshipping partisan? No thanks.

The FedGov no longer even pays lips service to the existing constitution, what the hell would it matter?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:55 | 2956222 spastic_colon
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exactly....welcome back to office, obama, soros, buffett and bernanke

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2956346 Bastiat
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You forgot Jarret and Holder.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:58 | 2956244 bank guy in Brussels
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Indeed as you say,

« no longer even pays lips service to the existing constitution »

A million lawyers in America and yet no legal force of any significance opposing the gangster US bribed judges who regularly invent excuses as to why the older US Constitution does not apply

The lawyers like heroic Richard Fine in L.A., get instantly disbarred, even jailed, if they oppose the bribed judges

It's gonna be the same gangster US judges and lawyers with any new paper 'Constitution'

Soviet Union had many pretty words in its 'Constitution' too ... did not mean shite

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:24 | 2956280 pods
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Lawyers are just another captured class to fight within the system. 

The BAR system is the gatekeeper, tossing out those who would ask the tough questions.

Not to be confused with the BAR, which would be a great piece to have and will more than likely be useful in the coming years.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:06 | 2956291 Buckaroo Banzai
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Agreed. In a country that voted for Obama not once BUT TWICE, there are only negative outcomes at a Constitutional Convention. The masses will wreak havoc on the founding document and render it a travesty.

At least now, we can take comfort in the plain language of the document, even though the plain language is utterly ignored. Constitutional convention would "fix" that.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:29 | 2956462 Things that go bump
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So you believe we would have seen substantial improvement if we had all voted for Romney?  Please.  Better the devil you know.    

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:43 | 2956572 Buckaroo Banzai
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Nope. Not a Romney supporter. With Romney, the car goes over the cliff at 50mph, instead of 100mph. With him in office we would have had more time to prepare for the collapse. Now the timetable gets moved up to 2013.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:59 | 2956699 pods
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I think you have that backwards.  If he was (s)elected, it would mean a mandate for austerity, budgets would be trimmed, and a realized depression that has been papered over for the last 4 years.

It is precisely the government monetizing 10% of GDP that has kept us from imploding in a deflationary collapse.

As long as we don't somehow squeak by the implosion and grind downward for 30 years I will quietly thank bernanke, Obama etc for the chance they gave us before the big bang to get our shit in order.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:18 | 2956805 Midas
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PODS-  I am not sure about your assumption that a Romney victory meant austerity, trimmed budgets, and a realized depression, but do you think there is any way to get this country back in line without reduced spending?  I know it would be painful, but I want to give it a go.  I am not going to let Hank Paulson scare me away.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:23 | 2957171 pods
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If we are going to be blunt, there is no way to get back to the start of the ponzi, unless we somehow have a debt jubilee and oil starts squirting out of all our arses.

Our system is a ponzi.  We have based today on tomorrow's debt.  You cannot unwind a system like this. Debt money with interest means exponential curve.

The problem of running to austerity now is that for the past 4 years we have suckled the big banks to allow THEM to repair their balance sheets and shrug off all the worthless debt to the FED at mark to myth valuation.

Now if austerity comes, that means the banks can now repossess property that they lent nothing for to begin with.

Because as soon as you see that aggregate debt curve roll over, bad things happen.  This can gain steam and we implode in a deflationary collapse.

I say we keep going forward full throttle, print away.  Let all the smart folks get the hell out of debt and hide their remaining assets in actual tangible things.  Whether you take that as gold, silver, land, beans or bullets.

Let the federal government go deeper into debt.  As it stands, they are on the hook for 100 trillion give or take.

Look at it like this:  You have bought an insurance policy on the fat ass who you sell cheeseburgers to.  Let him keep eating while you get your house in order.

The only way we get rid of fractional reserve banking is for there to be an utter collapse.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:39 | 2956944 forwardho
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PODS, Even though I may scream about the Fed, like you I quietly say thank you. Their actions of the last 4 yrs has shown me that when the movie is over, the theater bursts into flames. I have had been given a chance to get next to the big red exit door.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:28 | 2957197 pods
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Well back in 08 if we would have said hell no then things might have worked out.  As it is now (see above) the banks have repaired their balance sheets at our expense.

Austerity now means they come in and take your property in the deflationary collapse.

Just get out of debt and protect yourself as best as you can, because the music is going to stop. 

Just be ready to fight against the next savior ponzi scheme that is being loaded right now.  
My guess would be an international debt currency based on SDR's etc.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 16:03 | 2957670 Things that go bump
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Do you think we can muddle through for the next 30 years?  Frankly, it is quietly bad out here on the wrong side of the tracks. It won't take much for it to become loudly and violently bad.   Many who thought of themselves as middle class have slipped out of that class.  Once they figure out they aren't getting back in any time soon I can only imagine what they are going to do with their rage and disappointment (nothing we are going to enjoy), and remember, those are the smart ones.  People have combined households.  The 20 somethings are still at home and can only find part time work if they are lucky.  They are growing hopeless.  People who use food shelves used to get a few bags of cereal and pasta, canned vegetables and fruit to tide them over.  Now they come away with 2 weeks' worth of groceries and can visit once a month.  I have no clue how long this is going to last, but even the Roman's knew enough to keep their underclasses fed, housed and entertained, and so quiescent.  They conquered Egypt for its wheat in order to keep the masses fed, not unlike our present adventures in the middle east.  I figured the devil we know and his Democrats will continue to just bleed us a little at at time and maybe keep the lid on for a while.  

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:49 | 2956190 LoneStarHog
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You MORON, the last thing that we need is a Constitutional Convention (CC). Does your PEA BRAIN even begin to understand the workings of a CC and just what the results could be?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:51 | 2956204 AL_SWEARENGEN

Agreed.  A constitutional convention at this point could play right into these evil globalists cocksuckers hands.  

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:26 | 2956441 JPM Hater001
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So then, Civil War it is.

God be with the just.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:59 | 2956247 orez65
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What we need is to follow the Constitution.

1. Real money: gold and silver

2. Limit the Federal Government to its enumerated powers.

Which do not include paying for Fluke's contraceptives, Obamacare, nationalized mortgages, subsidized corporations and student loans and wars to support the oil companies.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:05 | 2956285 e_goldstein
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Yep. The majority of problems could be solved overnight with the abandonment of the FEDREZ system and a return to sound money. After that, the rest would just fall into place.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:41 | 2956557 Chupacabra-322
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@ LoneStarHog,

I disagree, it would absolutely work.  Opportunity to arrest the Globalist/Bankster/NWO types right on the spot.  Simply fixed also by barring any Non Governmental Office or Official entry. IE. CFR/Bilderburgs types.   

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:50 | 2956193 not fat not stupid
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more facts, less bile and crazy.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:50 | 2956200 becky quick and...
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a constitutional convention would mean the end of the second ammendment. who is the retard that wote this?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:04 | 2956284 my puppy for prez
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And it certainly wouldn't take a con-con to abolish private central banking and end monopoly on debt-based currency!

I love the idea of taking money out of the election process, but isn't their another recourse for affecting that?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:08 | 2956756 Urban Redneck
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renumbering can be a bitch

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:53 | 2956216 Little John
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Let's have that convention in Texas, for Texas. It's time for us to leave.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:58 | 2956240 Bawneee Fwank
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I'm with you on that...The red states need to secede! 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:05 | 2956287 rhinoblitzing
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The Red states would be landlocked

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:09 | 2956314 LawsofPhysics
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WTF?!?!  Not very familiar with the southern ports are you?  Better look into that and the southern piplines to and from the gulf states as well, now go take your foot out of your mouth.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2956320 Buckaroo Banzai
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How do you figure that? Gulf coast and southeastern Atlantic coast is bright Red.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:12 | 2956336 HelluvaEngineer
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Geography major?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2956341 earnyermoney
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Hmm, ever heard of the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic ocean? Then there is the mighty Mississippi river.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:17 | 2956366 Bawneee Fwank
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Exactly how?  Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas are not landlocked...I would add Florida but I dont really want that swamp shithole in my new nation, the fact those fuckers elected Alan Grayson and Debbie Wasserman Schultz is enough to keep them out of my new America.

And this is our National Anthem Bitchez!!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:58 | 2957053 takinthehighway
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I kinda like this one...Rebel Son's "On The Warpath"...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:17 | 2956369 Mike7.62
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Really? Last time I checked the Gulf of Mexico borders TX, LA, AL, and MS, with at least three or four good harbors in that area. The Mississippi River runs past MO, AR, TN, and KY, and the Ohio river runs to IN and KY. Landlocked? Hardly.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:25 | 2956433 Bawneee Fwank
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Join or Die!


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:44 | 2956574 Harbanger
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I'm living in a blue State right now and I'm getting the fck out of here.  I don't know where but I refuse to leave the country.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:26 | 2956443 Karlus
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Red states including Texas do not need to secede, they need to annex California and the Northeast...middle states have the food. End of fight.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:11 | 2956769 marathonman
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Umm, the Mississippi River runs through red states.  I handles a lot of commerce.  The British and Union armies were kind of keen on controlling it.  Don't be a putz.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:33 | 2956488 Colonial Intent
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Never happen they are way too dependant on govt largesse.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:53 | 2956217 dexter_morgan
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I prefer some method of peacefully splitting in to 2 separate nations, one following the constitution and the other being the staus quo) over letting the current psychopaths in power coming up with a new constitution in their image. Nothing wrong with the existing constitution (CSA one slightly better since it clarifies some thing), the problem is we don't follow it. Since old dishonest Abe the president has been grabbing more and more power and congress nor scotus has drawn a line in the sand and said NO.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:04 | 2956279 rhinoblitzing
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There Fixed it For Ya

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:57 | 2956226 realtick
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Back To The Buoy Data - New York Harbor Entrance

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:05 | 2956227 jjsilver
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This guy is a shill, ignore him


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Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist,
How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent),
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:57 | 2956230 Sofa King
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God Help Us if we let this crop of political retards touch the Constitution.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:07 | 2956294 thedrickster
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Are you implying that this crop (and their "constituents") might not have a firm grasp of the natural law, limited government, federalism, etc?

Say it ain't so.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:57 | 2956235 Urban Redneck
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Until the herd of sheeple is thinned- the effort would be counterproductive and result in an undesirable outcome.  However, a lot can happen over the course of four years.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:00 | 2956241 muppet_master
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RUG pulled out

from underneath the widows n orphans....but, didn't it FEEL GOOD to BUY HIGH YESTERDAY??? LOL !!!!! yesterday on 1% down -2% LOL !!!

QEorganizer: bQE buy stocks on election day...

next day:  the demon-rats are pulling the rug out from their feet...but, but, "THINK ABOUT UR RETIREMENT" LOL !!! yes think about it as AAPL crashes to $200...UR in for the "LONG HAUL" LOL !!!!

and the shoe shine boys were celebrating last night when futures were up 0.3% "BECAUSE IT WAS FROM OBAMA WIN" !!! NOW they blame the casino losses on "EUROPE" ROFLMAO !!!! cheerleading bs casino watch.(cbs-mw)..= stupid "REPORTERS"

yawn back to sleep, back to my life and dayjob...still short from spx 1475 (avg price 1450 short)...avg eur short 1.315..yes been riding...= so easy !!!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:59 | 2956249 pods
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No Fucking Way!

That would be the dumbest thing in my lifetime.  Most people think rights come from government as it is.

I can see the debate about a "living wage"  and how everyone will agree at how awesome it would be if every person had a house, a car, phone, etc.

Collapse this fucker and let those who wish to be on their own forge a new land.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:40 | 2956547 XitSam
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"Since your chilren are moved out, your extra bedrooms have been assigned to this Nicrauguan family. Equality in housing, it's in the Constitution."

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:59 | 2956255 buzzsaw99
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Charles = just another tool for the joo bankers

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:02 | 2956267 semperfi
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If the GOP wants to compete in 2016, they will need a 1%-hating rap/pop artist running for Prez and one of the ladies from 'The View' as the running mate.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:03 | 2956274 Cognitive Dissonance
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The other shoe drops in 3.........2.........1.......

<So much for two left feet. They've already dropped 6 shoes.>

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:28 | 2956275 Azannoth
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LoL I got 95% for Gary Johnson at(, I almost can't believe it's possible to agree so much with a real life politician

I think this is how an election should be made, the candidates state their positions than you fill out such a questionnaire and the candidate you agree with most get's your vote

automatically (if it's a tie you get to choose). No fraud no politics no cult of personality just an objective best match.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:45 | 2956605 Coldsun
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Sounds good in theory but that method would neglect candidates history and skills (with a teleprompter or not). Also what would prevent the candidate from saying one popular thing, so to be put on the survey to win more votes, and have nothing to prove that they actually will follow through with it. Then again, I guess they pretty much do that already.

Maybe including a legit psycological profile of each candidate on the questioner would be beneficial... That could probably clear the deck chairs.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:16 | 2956795 Azannoth
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Yes it's a bit tricky, but you can't give all the right answers, you can't be pro and anti war or pro and anti drug prohibition at the same time

so even if you tried to give the popular answers you'd still only reach 50% of the people at best on everything.

However yes there should be some aditional check so you don't have candidates blatantly lying about their positions.

Or maybe not even make this vote automatic but simply forcing people to educate them selves while making the vote without it being binding.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 19:31 | 2958474 New World Chaos
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98% Gary Johnson. 

Wasn't surprised to see Obama at the bottom (27%) but was surprised to see Romney at 62%.  Guess they took him at his word during the primaries.  Idiots.  They also don't consider that some of us might now want to deliberately accelerate towards the cliff.

As for the Constitutional Convention:  I would like to see a repeal of the commerce clause and all laws based on it, including drug laws.  Ban forfeiture and eminent domain.  Bring back allodial title.  The public must have the power to impeach any official, veto any bill, stop any war, release any prisoner, slash any budget and pull the plug on any agency by easy referendum.  Publicly counted, verifiable paper ballots only.  If taxes are vetoed, then a balanced budget amendment would automatically slash all spending proportionately.  Self-defense against cops should be explicitly legalized.  Debt money, central banks, and legal tender laws must be explicitly banned.  Judges must be required to inform juries that jury nullification isn't just a right, it's a patriotic duty.  All Federal officials should under web-accessible surveillance 24/7.  There should be a legal right for states, towns, and even indivuduals to secede and form voluntary communities (just don't expect any benefits from the outside).

Of course, getting even half of these amendments would require all 300 million sheeple to die in the gulags they supported, so no constitutional convention.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:05 | 2956286 Burticus
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Our ruling elite shred and wipe with the current constitution, which was written by noble statesmen concerned about maintaining individual liberty, limited govenment and free enterprise economics for their posterity.

Now, you suggest having these same greedy, power-hungry political hacks statists write a new constitution?!  Our rights will become nothing more than privileges granted by the ruling power elite.

Storing food, stockpiling ammo, converting excess financial assets into gold & silver bullion and moving to a remote farm will not be enough. Time for Plan C ~ vote with my feet before $#!+ hits the fan!

FYI, the Constitution Party's platform states, "We oppose any attempt to call for a Constitutional convention, for any purpose whatsoever, because it cannot be limited to any single issue, and such convention could seriously erode our Constitutionally protected unalienable rights."

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:08 | 2956303 Dan The Man
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the next constitution will be a real simple one.....a one pager.   And then we're all pooched.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:02 | 2957083 Thisson
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1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal.
7. All animals are equal. (2.22)


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:18 | 2956293 TheObsoleteMan
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We are too far down the road to serfdom {and totalitarianism} to turn back now. When the next big swan dive in the economy occurs, their answer will be to clamp down harder on us. Once power is in hand, it is almost never surrendered without the loss of lots of blood. Those who truly care about the Constitution and liberty are in the minority now. Most just want their SS checks, Pell grants, Medicaid/Medicare, name your program. I'd rather be left alone.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:08 | 2956301 Future Jim
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$50/hr minimum wage amendment!


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:08 | 2956302 kralizec
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Smith is an ass!  Only a fool thinks politics is the answer, politics is the PROBLEM dipshit!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:09 | 2956313 Dan The Man
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I hate them all

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2956305 PLira
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I doubt the US will make it through 2014 let alone to 2016. Actually, making it to 2014 is going to be quite the feat, imho.

As the article says, the wheels are almost off the bus already, held on by inertia and a lugnut with half a thread left. Hard right or left and off they come.

For those cheering on the crash/collapse, it's going to be ugly beyond your wildest dreams, if/when/should it occur(s). Please take some time to game the scenario and ponder/consider this and prepare accordingly.

That is all

May you live long and prosper.  \\ //_



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:12 | 2956332 Dan The Man
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Your soul is the most human...+1

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2956391 Future Jim
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The Soul of Humanity!

That's what I'm talkin 'bout.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2956316 flacorps
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In a Constitutional Convention, all bets are off and anything can happen to that sacred document, including a gang rape.

I proposed fifteen amendments a few years back when Obama first got in:

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2956318 Flakmeister
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Defining moment in the Convention:

"Look, you can go your own way, but you have to take Missisippi, Alabama and Arkansas with you..."

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:14 | 2956352 Buckaroo Banzai
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Sounds great to me.

Oh, btw, what happens to all the black folks in those states when the welfare programs go away? They'll be headed north to get that sweet, sweet Obama sugar!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:19 | 2956378 Flakmeister
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I am sure that you will be there to offer them career oppurtunties in sharecropping...

But why stop there, you could give them their own schools and washrooms as a token of your appreciation....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:44 | 2956592 Buckaroo Banzai
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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:40 | 2956947 Flakmeister
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You got me confused with somebody else buddy...

Would you like me to post videos of Strom Thurmonds retirement party? Hint, I wasn;t invited...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:27 | 2956450 TheObsoleteMan
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I would gladly take those three states as long as I wouldn't be compelled to take Oklahoma and West Virginia. You have never seen TOTAL government dependency until you have been there and see for yourself. One has nothing but Indian reservations and the other Appalachian hollows full of inbreeds.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:07 | 2956502 Flakmeister
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Sorry, but I think that they may be part of the package deal...

WV could be a paradise if it was not for the EPA....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:26 | 2956854 Cthonic
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Have you ever considered why they are full of government dependents?  Rural states that had vast mineral wealth (oil, natural gas, coal, timber)?  Ever hear of the Wobblies?  Green corn rebellion? West Virginia Coal Wars?


To victors, the history.

There is a price to be paid to support urban civilization.  All you blue statists packed along the coasts take note.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:43 | 2956961 Flakmeister
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Could it be that the vast mineral wealth fails to "trickle down" to the people that live there...

Like if coal was so fucking wonderful, you would think that the coal mining towns of Appalachia would be prosperous....

Maybe you should take a closer look at the profits and margins of the coal cos....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:11 | 2956328 Crash2012
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Financial ruin will be the end of the Federal Reserve, not the USA.

As for 'The Imperial Presidency', this is a deeper problem that is tied to having so much money directly controlled by Washington politicians. Most of the problem will be ended with the Federal Reserve, but there are residual issues regarding 'kill lists' and such.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2956337 divide_by_zero
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Just a clip I heard on news this morning from the victory speech last night, roughly from memory;

"I heard you tonight, the perfection of this Union moves Forward!"

So yes there probably will be a Constitutional Convention, or maybe not. In the words of Valerie Jarrett; "We have two judges waiting" (SC) why take all the time to do a convention when you can do it with a packed court? As Jefferson predicted this would be the way the Republic would end, the Corrupter(President) leading the Corrupted(Congress) via the courts.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:29 | 2956466 TheObsoleteMan
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It worked for FDR, why not the Kenyan?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2956342 Future Jim
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The Michael Moore amendment: Limit gun ownership to black power muskets like the founders always itended.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:19 | 2956381 Bastiat
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Did you mean "black power muppets?"

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:23 | 2956414 Future Jim
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LOL! I meant black POWDER muskets.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 14:43 | 2957259 flacorps
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Nothing more sophisticated than the best of what is in the hands of a foreign power...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:14 | 2956356 semperfi
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For all those Obamavoters that actually have jobs (30?) I hope your company triples your health care contribution  amount due to Obamacare, and I hope your income tax rate doubles. I also hope he forces 50% of your 401K into 10 year treasuries.  I wish you the worst.  Bad luck motherfuckers.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:16 | 2956361 the 300000000th...
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They don't teach kids what the constitution is in schools anymore.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:16 | 2956363 Divine Wind
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Our Nation has WILLFULLY selected the path of a political party with a platform built on immorality and the sins of Romans 1.

- Leaving God out
- Advocating abortion (murder)
- Advocating free sexual conduct + contraception
- Advocating homosexual marriage / lifestyle

Read Romans 1:18-32.   These are the things God specifically says he HATES.

The ramifications are right in the first verse; "The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ..."

We are now a nation under God's judgment. History is filled with similar examples. None of the others turned out too well.

And for those who willfully cast a vote in support of the Dem ticket, regardless of how you justify or rationalize it, verse 32 mentions you:

32 "and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

Get ready folks. We have BIG BIG troubles ahead as a nation.




Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2956386 Flakmeister
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When did all the Bible nuts start hanging out here??


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:35 | 2956504 seek
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Not sure. I wouldn't dismiss that they are cointelpro-style sockpuppets, though.

Either way it's a consequence of ZH's truth/influence increasing to levels that are getting noticed elsewhere.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:50 | 2956649 Flakmeister
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The PTL club must have mentioned ZH....

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:40 | 2956546 Divine Wind
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Don't worry, we don't bite.

We invest same as the next guy.

We just have the benefit of knowing how the endgame plays out.

Call it insider information.


Blue Horseshoe Loves Bitter Clingers

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:29 | 2956870 Ghordius
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then you might be of help: I'm profoundly gentile. Certified gentility with guarantees.

Do the words in the letter of Saint Paul to the Romans apply to me?

He writes them in Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves"

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:45 | 2956601 TheObsoleteMan
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You are nobody to say who can "hang out here". Your the type of punk who used to bully George Mcfly in the soda shop {hope you meet a similar end}.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:53 | 2956663 Flakmeister
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You clearly have a reading comprehension problem...

I suggest you re-read what I said and what you wrote and try to logically reconcile the two...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:05 | 2956735 TheObsoleteMan
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No comprehension problems of any kind, I just know one when I see one:

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:51 | 2956631 Buckaroo Banzai
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LOL, lots of us "nuts" here, bitterly clinging. And after all, it was Zerohedge who helped Ann Barnhardt go "viral" when Tyler posted her brilliantly reasoned and articulated argument for abandoning the futures markets a year or two back. Turns out all that moral authority she has comes from SOMEWHERE.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 19:22 | 2958599 New World Chaos
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Ann Barnhardt has bigger balls than anyone here.  She even gave the IRS the finger.  Respect.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:52 | 2956655 Things that go bump
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Tedious, aren't they?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2956384 franzpick
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Time for America to go topless, and be ready for each individual community to repair itself, from the ground up, from the damage of the upcoming credit, currency and trade collapse: Only we locals can rebuild it. Our top-loaded, corporate-powered, 2 party dictatorship and imperial presidency, can build their own political grave.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:20 | 2956388 billsbest
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Any Constituion Convention would be a sham and a Con on the American people-


Should the States Secede Now? (UPDATED)


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:21 | 2956397 semperfi
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The vote yesterday was:

Wall St. Boyz   vs.   Parasites

Parasites       1

Wall St. Boyz  0


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:08 | 2956753 TheObsoleteMan
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The Wall Street boyz are having their say today.......

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:23 | 2956422 madcows
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I'm all for it so long as NO politicians are allowed to participate.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:29 | 2956465 helping_friendl...
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****The Constitution allows for Constitutional Conventions*****

Where, in the Constitution, is this provision?

is the author speaking of article 5?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:36 | 2956514 semperfi
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No - its time that anyone violating any part of the Constitution is shot on site for treason.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:42 | 2956570 helping_friendl...
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Violating the Constitution does not, by definition, make one guilty of treason.

Treason, then, is defined only as going to war against the USA, or aiding the enemies of the USA. To be convicted, the accused must confess to treason, or be accused by two direct witnesses of the treason.

What are you talking about?

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