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Guest Post: What An Obama Victory Means For The Middle East

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Submitted by Claude Salhani of,

Memo to the Arab World: Good news and bad news with the re-election of Barack Obama to the White House.

The good news is that a victory by the Republican candidate Mitt Romney would have given Israel and its current leadership a free hand at continuing a policy of arrogance that will lead the region towards greater mayhem. Romney’s lack of experience in foreign affairs compiled with his extreme pro-Israeli stance could have encouraged Israel’s hawkish government towards military adventurism rather than to seek solutions through diplomacy and dialogue, the latter being the only way anything will ever get resolved. Perhaps Obama, who sees things somewhat differently, might help keep Mr. Netanyahu’s government in check until there is a change in Israel’s political landscape.

On the other hand, while there may be reason to rejoice with Obama in the Oval Office, seeing that Israel might have to think twice before turning to its military instead of its foreign service to address matters of national importance,  don’t expect anything drastically different to happen in the Middle East in so far as US involvement goes.

The enthusiasm with which Obama came to Washington four years ago and the eagerness with which he wanted to tackle the Middle East problem has followed in the footsteps of others before him who have also started out with similar vigour only to be stonewalled from one side or the other. Just ask Gunnar Jarring, John Rogers, Henry Kissinger, Jimmy Carter and to Bill Clinton, to name but a few.

The next four years, in so far as active and positive involvement by the United States in the Middle East, are likely to be as lean as the past four years have been; in other words, minimal involvement and dismal at that.

Don’t expect anything terribly different from the second Obama administration when it comes to the Middle East. Barack Obama started out his first term four years ago by grabbing the Middle East bull by the horns, believing he could, come Inauguration Day on January 20th, use the leverage of America’s clout with Israel and with some Arab countries that were heavily indebted to the United States, like Egypt, to finally bring about a negotiated peaceful settlement to the sixty-plus years of strife that the region has had to live with.

However, once faced with the reality of the complexity of the task ahead and the potential negative repercussions that meddling in Middle Eastern affairs could have on voters at home, solving the country’s domestic issues – unemployment, the deficit, etc. – seemed an easier and more rewarding task.

The degree by which Washington was removed from what was happening on the ground is reflected in the manner in which the administration was caught by surprise by the events of the Arab Spring. Indeed, Washington lost precious time when the popular uprising first began to shake and reshape the destiny of the Arab world as crowds took to the streets of Tunis, Cairo and Benghazi, forcing long-standing dictators to step down and in the case of Tunisia and Egypt, forced the US to lose close allies.

And if Obama’s acceptance speech delivered in Chicago Tuesday night is anything to judge by, where his only mention of anything related to foreign affairs was a reference to “freeing ourselves from foreign oil,” it seems obvious that the Obama administration will want to focus on solving domestic issues such as the economy, unemployment and fixing the deficit, tackling health insurance, issues that have dominated the presidential campaign and debates these past few months.

And at the end of the day these are issues that matters most to the average American who would rather not have to worry about the Middle East and terrorism – that is until they come knocking at our doors as they did on September 11, 2001.

That memory alone should act as a reminder that we cannot live secluded from the rest of the world’s problems. If we don’t help others address their issues those issues will very likely become our issues too one day; as was the case before.

President Obama’s reluctance to become involved is understandable. However with the elections behind him now and without the burden of future campaigns Obama should renew his efforts to bring about peace in the Middle East.  Helping the Palestinians to establish their state will help set America’s place in the Middle East as an honest broker for peace.


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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:47 | 2959137 BlackholeDivestment
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What dipshit wrote this crap? I'm assuming it was posted for laughs. It worked. LMAO

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:51 | 2959156 SGS
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Who's this Obama guy?  I thought Netanyahu was president of the USA...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:57 | 2959180 Zer0head
Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:07 | 2959216 Michaelwiseguy
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Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory Tru TV on now. Just information.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:13 | 2959241 Dalago
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What matters most is the TRUTH!  Bring our troops home and start being a leader of Liberty by example not through the barrel of a gun!  Israel can take care of themselves.  They're the bully of the ME and every day continues I know more and more American's that are sympathizing with the Palestinians and their biggest refugee camp in human history.  Extremist attack as a response of war-profiteering.  If they attacked/hate America because they're free and prosperous then they must like America now.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:41 | 2959325 Half_A_Billion_...
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the claude bitch is happy with his obamaphone

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:57 | 2959360 strannick
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it seems obvious that the Obama administration will want to focus on solving domestic issues.

by solve, you mean print?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:51 | 2959462 jeff montanye
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by solve he means trying to solve (and failing).

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:37 | 2959631 zhandax
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The biggest thing he wants to solve is 'How do I work in more golf between all these damned vacations?'

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 04:19 | 2959650 Michaelwiseguy
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The Ron Paul crew over at Daily Paul sounds like they're smoking pot and writing a Workaholics script;

I wept tonight...

And this is too funny too;

McCain / Palin Beat Romney/Ryan in Total Votes

Interesting factoid:

McCain / Palin 58,343,671 votes

Romney/ Ryan 57,649,055

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 05:42 | 2959709 cranky-old-geezer
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Guess that's what happens when Repubs become progressives.

Repubs dont exist anymore.   Dems don't either.

It's a two-candidate fascist party now.  90% of O's and R's campaign platforms were the same.  Keep printing, keep bailing out banks, keep passing losses to taxpayers, keep the Wall Street looting spree going, keep spending, keep deficits going, keep borrowing, keep debasing the dollar, keep ZIRP going, keep hurting savers, keep destroying the economy, keep supporting Israhell, keep the wars going, keep threatening Iran, on and on.

I can't think of any significant difference between the two.  Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum?   Dumb or Dumber?  Traitor A or Traitor B? 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:28 | 2962169 phyuckyiu
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What kind of dumb ass still believes we need to bomb people halfway across the world to prevent them from bombing us here? How many new terrorists do we need to create while protecting our poppy fields in Afghanistan? Yeah lets spend a trillion a year protecting people who hate us, give money to people who hate us, and send our kids to die for people who hate us. Stop bombing everyone and start taxing the fucking hippies in Colorado and Washington and Oregon and California like smart people.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 10:25 | 2960198 post turtle saver
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You're confusing him with Bush again.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:02 | 2959371 forexskin
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And at the end of the day these are issues that matters most to the average American who would rather not have to worry about the Middle East and terrorism – that is until they come knocking at our doors as they did on September 11, 2001.

That memory alone should act as a reminder that we cannot live secluded from the rest of the world’s problems. If we don’t help others address their issues those issues will very likely become our issues too one day; as was the case before.

apparently a warning from another neocon koolaid-drinking zionist firster - i'm sure he's just waiting for the opportunity to say 'i told you so' at the first sign of trouble for the precious

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:02 | 2959560 imaginalis
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This is like worrying about tripping over a pebble in the distance while a pinless grenade is down your crotch

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:44 | 2959637 zhandax
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This also presupposes that the terrorists who 'came knocking at our doorsteps' on 9/11 could identify the middle east on a map without a staffer...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 10:52 | 2960323 omniversling
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The missing links.... 9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:08 | 2959217 BlackholeDivestment
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...thanks for the link, lol, I didn't need that. LMAO. 

...I'm sure this guy sells a lot of papers goat herders. That explains the bad cheese coming from the Middle East. LMAO.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 10:07 | 2960107 larz
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Who is Obama that the MSM and liberal know it alls ignore? ...let me give you a couple hints:  His buddie Jessie Jackson Jr. got CAUGHT no conspiracy theory at all, caught using campaign cash to buy a white lover gifts and got re - elected while IN THE MENTAL HOSPITAL for "depression". Another crony got nabbed taking a 6k zoning bribe AND GETS RE-ELECTED his lovely wife magically doubled her salary some how after deals were made behind closed doors and the lovely first couple got a smashing deal on a mansion from a convicted fall guy Tony Rezko should I go on..... You Libs dont want to hear any of this because you are sooo sure you know better than me whats best for me and everone else that the ends justify the means  So if you beleive that Obama and Michelle are pure and innocent - Mansion and raise in pay and all I have a unicorn field for sale but it will cost lots of fiat currency - serious inquiries only....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 11:12 | 2960392 DosZap
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BiBi said FU to Obama and is planning to do whatever they want, with or without the USA's help.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:28 | 2961302 RichardP
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BiBi said FU to Obama and is planning to do whatever they want

Bibi can only do whatever they can, not whatever they want. 

Truth is, what they can do by themselves is far less than what they want to do.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:32 | 2959303 percolator
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Blackhole, I got an even bigger laugh from your comment - good one!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:55 | 2959357 Yardfarmer
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Claude Salhani is editor of the Middle East Times and a contributing editor to United Press International.

He specializes in political analysis of the Mideast and terrorism.

Mr. Salhani has been based in Beirut, Cairo, Paris, Brussels, London, New York & Washington.

He was a Pulitzer Prize nominee for coverage of the Marine Beirut barracks bombing. He is the author of Black September to Desert Storm, and speaks fluent English, French, Italian and Arabic.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:54 | 2959468 jeff montanye
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and can't (or won't) see the forest for the trees.

israel is an unreliable narrator of a deeply disingenuous tale.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 07:24 | 2959765 machineh
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Every culture (including Arabic speakers) has its narcs and collaborators who sell out to THE MAN.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:54 | 2959544's picture

"So does that mean the guy's CIA or what?" he said half jokingly.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:03 | 2959606 Flying Tiger Comics
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DIA - they run a fuckload of drugs.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:04 | 2959563 imaginalis
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Does this mean he can tell his arse from his elbow?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:29 | 2959583 Cathartes Aura
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it means he gets paid to tell your ass what's an elbow.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 06:48 | 2959745 Dr. Sandi
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 11:33 | 2960485 Overfed
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And then he comes here and pisses on my leg and tries to convince me that it's raining.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:01 | 2959369 Mr Pink
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Who came knocking at our door on 9/11? Please enlighten me.....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:04 | 2959374 forexskin
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no mystery if you want to maintain your card carrying establishment UPI credentials

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:55 | 2959470 jeff montanye
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cia blowback

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:57 | 2959552's picture



Sister Suzie, Brother John,
Martin Luther, Phil and Don,
Brother Michael, Auntie Gin...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 07:44 | 2959769 Disenchanted
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Zionist, neo-con, PNAC war monkeys using patsy Arabs with's their M.O.


 a person upon whom the blame for something falls; scapegoat; fall guy.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:13 | 2959498 glenlloyd
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Yes, more propaganda about how they attacked us because we're free and prosperous...nothing about how it was a consequence of our presence in their country to begin with.

IMO the US would be a lot more secure here at home if we didn't try and get involved in the affairs of other countries. Most of the time it's about liberating their oil rather than their people.

This had to have come from a neocon.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 04:51 | 2959678 Hobbleknee
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Indeed, undeclared wars in 6 coutries is "minimal involvement".

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:38 | 2963567 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, I agreed with the first comment posted, appropriately enough, from BlackholeDivestment.

This ridiculous article asserts: that is until they come knocking at our doors as they did on September 11, 2001.

Therefore, this author totally fails the litmus test regarding 9/11 Truth!  I believe that 9/11 was an inside job. It was a false flag attack, done by Zionists, to blame on Muslims. It was deliberately designed to be symbolic, in many ways, to serve the interests of many different people. Primarily, 9/11 fits in the overall agenda of building a global government based on the hegemony of the international banksters, by driving genocidal foreign wars, and imposing democidal martial law at home.

The Middle East policy is merely another facet of the international banksters consolidating their global control, by backing up their frauds, with force. We are terminally scewed by that runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut. (Of course, that does NOT mean I agree with the organized criminal gangs that are within Middle Eastern countries, controlling them!)

Since I have developed a well-honed macabre sense of humour, I agreed with BlackholeDivestments that this article was so extremely bad that it was amusing!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:19 | 2959142 delacroix
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arab world = 911 terrorists. fuck you claude, you nwo shill.  oilprice is a cnbc partner site, and the first syndicated partner they list is zerohedge.  time for a little disinfectant.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:46 | 2959144 max2205
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Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:48 | 2959146 Sparkey
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This is a good one! There will be lots of replies from posters trying to set the historical record straight, (As they see it).

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:32 | 2959302 tickhound
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For the record:


Fool me once... shame on.. you..?.??....

Point is you fool me once and you're with the turrists.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:49 | 2959149 Raymond Reason
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"If we don’t help others address their issues those issues will very likely become our issues too one day; as was the case before."


There you have it.  Foreign Policy 101. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:22 | 2959275 SgtShaftoe
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May I take a moment to direct you to the nearest us military recruiting station so you don't sound like a hypocrite fool. Go ask for combat arms.

I did my time, I can tell you charmers Johnson's book blowback is 100% correct. But if you insist, pick up a fucking rifle and get your own person blown up rather than sending economically exploited and brainwashed kids off to get killed.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:59 | 2959363 DaveyJones
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thank you.

We need more folks like you who lived reality and are reality to clear the air

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 07:59 | 2959787 GetZeeGold
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:39 | 2963484 Tompooz
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We need more folks like you who lived reality and are reality to clear the air



Like these! Highly recommended autobiography of an Aussie Major General

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:06 | 2959486 Raymond Reason
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I forgot to press the sarcasm button

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:59 | 2959555's picture

Whoops! Incoming!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:00 | 2959789 GetZeeGold
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Duck and cover bitchez.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:28 | 2959514 Harbanger
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"I did my time"  Were you drafted to Vietnam or something?  Recruits do their service.  I think it won't be long before we see the Draft again.  They'll tell you it's part of your social responsibility.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:39 | 2959541 SgtShaftoe
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These days the military preys on rural kids and economically disadvantaged. They give/ gave promises of god and country and promises of opportunities in the private sector. I was enlisted and an officer. The military is a con job for enlisted kids, then once you're in, you're trapped. It's really criminal. it's not a "volunteer force" as everyone claims. It's a shanghai or 1700s British navy recruitment scam.

To those that downvoted me, look up stop-loss fuckers. I had friends die from that shit.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 10:17 | 2960163 jayman21
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The draft was supposed to be blind and represent a cross section of the classes.  The volunteer armed forces is not a cross section of all classes.  I would love to hear the rational behind "we will see the draft again".


If you have the lower and minority groups over represented in the armed forces, they are easier to control and will have less of a problem following orders.  I think TPTB will not bring the draft back.  It is a control thing.


I guarantee everyone who reads ZH is on a do not recruit list.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 10:43 | 2960287 Urban Redneck
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Mr. Chairman, a worthy member has asked who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate of the Germans, Prussians, &c., by our representation? I ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.

But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor; but they may be confined to the lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the higher classes of the people.

If we should ever see that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be expected. Under the present government, all ranks of people are subject to militia duty. Under such a full and equal representation as ours, there can be no ignominious punishment inflicted.

But under this national, or rather consolidated government, the case will be different. The representation being so small and inadequate, they will have no fellow-feeling for the people. They may discriminate people in their own predicament, and exempt from duty all the officers and lowest creatures of the national government.

If there were a more particular definition of their powers, and a clause exempting the militia from martial law except when in actual service, and from fines and punishments of an unusual nature, then we might expect that the militia would be what they are. But, if this be not the case, we cannot say how long all classes of people will be included in the militia. There will not be the same reason to expect it, because the government will be administered by different people. We know what they are now, but know not how soon they may be altered (Elliot at link below)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 11:15 | 2960411 DosZap
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Urban Redneck

Read Dan Noricini's take on JSMINESET.COM.....................

I think he is dead on, and high time we split this bitch up, before it literally gets burned to the ground.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:40 | 2960828 Urban Redneck
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When I read that yesterday, my first reaction was that an amicable separation is unlikely and Igor Panarin may finally be proven correct (although I still disagree with the way he draws lines on the US map).

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:50 | 2963507 Tompooz
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"I think TPTB will not bring the draft back.  It is a control thing."

Correct. And for that very reason We the People need to seek a version draft-lite.

The Swiss version would be a good start.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:50 | 2959154 sitenine
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"... – that is until they come knocking at our doors as they did on September 11, 2001."

Do you really believe that Claude?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:52 | 2959163 Totentänzerlied
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"Helping the Palestinians to establish their state will help set America’s place in the Middle East as an honest broker for peace."


Over AIPAC's cold, dead body! The full arsenal of Dimona will be spent before that is allowed to happen.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:03 | 2959482 jeff montanye
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that is so true.  israel wanted peace with egypt because it was the only country they feared and whose land they didn't want.  once it was out of the picture, the syrians, jordanians and most of all the palestinians got the eternal bait and switch, the old shimmy shammy.

re this last "most important" election:  it's not what is in dispute that's important; it's what they both agree on and don't ever discuss much less dispute. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:59 | 2963521 Tompooz
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"Helping the Palestinians to establish their state will help set America’s place in the Middle East as an honest broker for peace."

 The two-state "solution" is dead.  As dead as a "two-state solution" for Native Americans.

 How can this guy seriously pretend that it is not? All that is on offer for the Palestinians is more "settlers".

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:52 | 2959164 Bansters-in-my-...
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The U.S.A is Israels bitch......

Right Mr Rothschild....?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:35 | 2959526 TwoShortPlanks
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To which one of my family members are you addressing Sir?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:16 | 2960698 FeralSerf
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America is the City of London's bitch.  London is Rothschild's bitch.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:54 | 2959167 tickhound
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Memo to the Arab World: Don't believe this crap.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:00 | 2959366 DaveyJones
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memo from arab world: don't worry, we don't

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:57 | 2959171 lolmao500
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War. Of course. War in Syria. War in Iran. War in Afghanistan (and they signed a treaty to stay till 2024). Killing of protesters in Bahrain, Pakistan, UAE, Saudi Arabia... who knows where else.

The drones will continue to kill innocent people, creating more terrorists every single time they strike. The terrorist states of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will still be our allies.

Obama needs to be impeached before he starts a new war.

/BTW this article is total BULLSHIT, Obama is no different than Romney. He wants to stay in Afghanistan (he already signed the treaty to do so). He wants to give weapons to extremists in Syria (already doing so). He still wants to be allied with all those dictatorships in the middle-east (already doing so). He still wants to lick Israel's balls (which he has done for the last 4 years). Etc... etc... Obama is no fucking different.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:55 | 2959172 Neethgie
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Obama victory means ALLAAAAH ALAAAH party in the middle east, rape your wife or find a nearby non believers.. arab spring yes, democracy no, hardline islam HOORAY. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:25 | 2959285 thewhigs
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:14 | 2959501 Neethgie
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Not really, obama and clinton enabled libya to become a warzone dominated by al queda, egypt to return to islamic leninism. 4 more years and the sufist minority will be shafted by the salafists.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:41 | 2959530 TwoShortPlanks
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No, Libya was targeted for Central Bank unification for other reasons....Ooops!

Ctrl-Alt-Del, Ctrl-Alt-Del....shit! fuck!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:36 | 2959590 Cathartes Aura
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:06 | 2959566's picture


obama and clinton enabled libya to become a warzone dominated by al queda, egypt to return to islamic leninism.


Bush smashed secular Iraq and handed it over to Iranian sympathizers. Don't forget that one. Oh, and Scooter Libby blew the lid off the CIA's Middle East counter WMD program. Give credit where credit is due.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:46 | 2960862 my puppy for prez
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Obviously, you are ignorant of the vast body of evidence as to Israeli/"Jewish" (really Talmudist) torture, murder, and even the permissibility of incest and all kinds of perversion which is codified in that "most holy of books", the Talmud.

So much is available on the internet regarding the nightmare which is the Talmud.  Non-Jews were never supposed to read this book.  It's their dirty little secret.  I would encourage you to investigate the Talmud for yourselves, and look for things written by authors such as Michael Hoffman, Nesta Webster, Elizabeth Dilling, and Douglas Reed.  You will never think the same again.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:55 | 2959174 Ocean22
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Nothing will save the ME except a big big bomb. It's been a mess from day one. I am all for non reliance on ME oil. Solar panel s on every roof, windmills every where, electric cars. Time we cut off there money supply and grew a whole new industry.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:00 | 2959194 otto skorzeny
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it must be great for you to smoke your mary jane legally in Colorado now.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:56 | 2959175 diesheepledie
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In order to weaken the United States as a world power we must complete the federation of the United Muslim Caliphate (UMC). The US and the west need to be nothing more than a member of a triad made up of Chinese/Russio, Islamic, and Western powers. When the UMC announces nuclear capability, we will have a stable 3-point deterrence. If the deterrence breaks, Chinese manufacturing capacity could be destroyed in a nuclear conflict. This could result in a re-birth of western manufacturing. If the deterrence holds, we will have a stable Middle East and continued stable global trade. All of this is bullish.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:09 | 2959223 disabledvet
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see how easy it is folks! "it doesn't work if you try and make sense of it." however...mayyyyybe...if we make..."nonsense" of it all then people will...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:10 | 2959570 imaginalis
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Muckin Foron

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:57 | 2959178 LasVegasDave
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Looking forward to our high performance fighter bombers doing the Lord's work and taking out Iran's reactors, the mullahs and hezbollah.

God speed brave Israeli pilots.  Return home safely

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:02 | 2959188 otto skorzeny
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the Lord's work? what a moron. will you be rushing over to join the IDF,hebe?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:06 | 2959212 LasVegasDave
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juden haben waffen, scumbag.


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:13 | 2959230 otto skorzeny
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juden verboten, douchebag.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:23 | 2959277 LasVegasDave
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nice to see you are against not only jews, but marijuana and freedom of choice.

will you be biting a cyanide capsule in your basement like your heroes?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:19 | 2959265 john39
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Warmongers are evil, the true God would have no part in backing a war on Iran, but the Talmudic monster posing as god would.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:23 | 2959278 otto skorzeny
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yeah-it's kind of like God giving a shit about who wins a football game.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:50 | 2959342 Dr. Sandi
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It's crazy to think God cares about who wins football games.

Unless it's Notre Dame, of course.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:39 | 2959850 Carl LaFong
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Are you talking about the same G-d that said to Abraham, "I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you."?  Get a grip. Maybe you should actually read the Jewish bible and find out about the "true G-d."

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:32 | 2960782 my puppy for prez
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Jesus Christ was the gamechanger, and the Pharisees (Jewish rabbi rulers) wanted none of what He was sellin':

"For they are not all Israel which are Israel:  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:  but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."  Rom. 9:6-8  What is the "promise"?  None other than Jesus Christ himself!

In Revelation 2:9, Jesus said, "I know your works, tribulations and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." In Revelation 3:9, Jesus is said to have written, "Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you." Jews who do not accept Christianity are characterized as worshipers of Satan, hence, the expression "synagogue of Satan.

Modern Judaism, with a few exceptions like Torah-only Karaites, is completely founded on the "supremacy" of the TALMUD, which is considered superior to the Torah.  The Talmud is a hideous monstrosity and constantly nullifies and distorts the Torah.

According to the Talmud, "G-d" Himself studies the Talmud everyday.  Imagine..."G-d" studying the delusional, wicked, and perverted writings of a bunch of control freaks (Pharisees, rabbis).....LMAO!!!  Now THAT is some real chutzpa!

Sorry, Carl, we goyim are growing wise (thanks to the information age) to the agenda of TALMUDISM, or what you would call "Judaism".

You can either take the word of Jesus, the person who love and forgave anyone who would receive it


you can take the word of a bunch of power-hungry, murderous psychopaths who claim to be God's "chosen".

 Take your pick. 



Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:43 | 2961371 RichardP
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... the true God ...

Which is the Iranian God, right?  Not the Jewish God, right?  And the Iranian God has no monstrous qualities of his own, right?

Oh, wait ... monstrous is a relative term, isn't it.  It's meaning depends on who is using the word.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:58 | 2959474 Chariots of the Feds
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Or he can go work for Goldman Sachs

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:05 | 2959378 DaveyJones
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oh lord your vision of the lord needs work

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:08 | 2963533 Tompooz
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God speed brave Israeli pilots.  Return home safely



Is that you, Mr Adelson?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:58 | 2959182 otto skorzeny
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netanyoyo called up his US made jet fighters -he said you better earn your pay-drop your bombs among the minarets-down the casbah way

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 22:59 | 2959189 Weyland_Yutani
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Can someone please give me the page in the Constitution where it is stated that the United States have authority over other sovereign nations' nuclear programs?


Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:02 | 2959195 diesheepledie
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The Consti-what? What the fuck are you talking about?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:39 | 2959847 lakecity55
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In Soviet Russia, all Russian comrade peoples had "constitution" too, comrades!

I read it once. It looked like a photocopy of ours.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:50 | 2959346 Dr. Sandi
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What does this Constitution thingy have to do with United States authority?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:07 | 2959379 DaveyJones
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It's that same section that says if we run low on resources, disregard the above

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 06:15 | 2959729 cranky-old-geezer
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Constitution doesn't address federal government bankruptcy, which happened circa 1930. 

Bankruptcy falls under admiralty law.   There's no bankruptcy court with jurisdiction over federal govt bankruptcy, it's simply taken over by creditors, the Fed in this case.

In bankruptcy the constitution is tossed out.  It no longer applies.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:57 | 2961439 RichardP
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... give me the page in the Constitution where it is stated ...

It's on the page where the Federal government is given the responsibility to defend the country and maintain the peace.  What that page doesn't say is, wait for your enemies to wipe you out before you respond.

So you figure it out.  What does defend the country entail?  As President, where would you draw the line re. the steps you must take to defend the country?  Waiting for hostile forces to be ferried to our shores from enemy ships sitting off-shore before we respond just doesn't cut it anymore.  That is no longer a valid model for how the attack will happen.

What is a valid model for how the attack will happen - that we might create a defense against it?  The President of the U.S. has to answer that question, even if you don't have to.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:03 | 2959201 Dr. Engali
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This guy is a complete rube. What the hell is this crap? Obama turned to the more rewarding task of solving America's economic problems? Grabbed the Middle East by the horns?

I can't tell if this is David Axelrod or Bagdad Bob writing this garbage.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:07 | 2959215 Gringo Viejo
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More Camelbell!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:10 | 2959226 ShrNfr
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Actually, all Obama wants to concentrate on is his golf game.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:20 | 2959257 otto skorzeny
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or his next bathhouse hookup. must have  been nice for O to have been in Chi-town last night to stop and see  the old gang(bang) at Man's Country.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:51 | 2959348 Dr. Sandi
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So THAT'S what a 'Man Cave' is.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:19 | 2959267 fnord88
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The more time Obama spends playing golf, and the less time he spends being a politician, the better off America will be. In my ideal world, presidents play golf 365 days a year, cause fuck knows we don't need them to be telling us how to live, or writing new undecipherable legislation which turns everyone into a criminal. (My GF got fined for jaywalking last week in Melbourne....not crossing when the light was red mind you, but for starting to cross when the light was flashing).

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:12 | 2959232 booboo
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The terrorist are hiding bombs in little 4 year old girls panties and elderly old folks shitty Depends. PROOF!, you want proof, well this is where TSA seems to be looking so it must be so. Deep Fried America wants, needs to be fed creme puff filler through IV tubes just to make through the day, 

I have personally never seen a "terrorist" but I know known government terrifies the shit out of me, make what you will out of that.





Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:16 | 2959254 Dr. Engali
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I've never owned a slave either but that doesn't stop them from acting like I have.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 05:19 | 2959695 Angus McHugepenis
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Of course you have met a terrorist. It's called GOVERNMENT. Let me explain:

According to akak as he torments the infamous AnAnonymous, it is perfectly "legal" for the Chinese people to shit on the roadside. Try doing that in America. The Chinese government has different rules. Americans have other rules.

Really what it all comes down to is who gives a shit. But if you take a shit in a non designated area and you get caught with your pants down, well, nobody will give a shit about you.

The moral of the story is: Your government is scaring the shit of you to such a degree that you don't know where to take a shit. So you shit your pants. And the government's job is done.

No ass wipe for you, Brown Eye!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:15 | 2959239 loveyajimbo
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"Until they come knocking again..."  Who is this cancerous 'roid?  Is he still selling the moronic group of sand-niggers planning and executing the 911 attacks???   He should be horswewhipped and sent back to Israel... look over a good vid on the subject, and send it to any leftover dumb shits:

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:26 | 2959624 Clashfan
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'preciate that comment and link


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 11:58 | 2960630 my puppy for prez
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I highly suggest  

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:13 | 2959240 tickhound
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We gotta win this WAR FOR PEACE, bitchez!  BROKER THE PEACE, he says... lol.

According to Claude, this begins by "helping others address their issues."... You know, as a token of our goodwill. 

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:18 | 2959256 Everyman
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" seems obvious that the Obama administration will want to focus on solving domestic issues such as the economy, unemployment and fixing the deficit, tackling health insurance, issues that have dominated the presidential campaign and debates these past few months."


NO the presidential election did NOT talk about jobs, fixing the deficit, economy, or anything like that.  As far a "obvious" he should have been focusing these a long fucking time ago.  Not sayin' Mittens would have or was any better, but this post was pure BS and ignorant speculation, at best.  Remember they all kicked the can down the road on the fiscal cliff, and NOW they all have to play ball and piss EVERYONE off.



Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:23 | 2959258 NoDebt
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I'm parsing through this article and I can't make heads or tails of it.  Just the internal contradictions are insurmountable.  Romney would have been a disaster but Obama will also be a disaster despite "grabbing the bull by the horns"??  I have no idea if I agree or disagree with him.

I'm chalking this one up to "ESL."  English as a Second Language.

Edit:  wait, stop, back up.  I think I got it.  It was not meant for US consumption.  One ME writing to other MEs.   Er, um, I think.  Who the fuck knows?  I give up.  Maverick, this is Goose, I'm punching out.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:54 | 2959354 Dr. Sandi
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All I got out of it was that it sounds like the dog wants back into the house. And that was only by context, not content.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:18 | 2959264 Jack Burton
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Syria is under attack by over 3,000 Al Qaeda Jehadi terrorists that operate within the Syrian rebel forces. This is according to Israel, not according to me. These Jehadis are fighting to tturn Syria into an Islamic state. The USA and NATO are full allies of the Syrian rebel army in which Al Qaeda makes up a considerable part. So we see that all terrorists are not anti American, the ones on our side are freedom fighters. As in Libya, we support and fund terror whenever we can direct it against a non NATO country. The Jehadi terror cells were vital in the take down of the anti US Libyan government. Now the same terror network is working for the US in Syria.

The war on terror is a war on anti US terror, other terror we fully support. But this is nothing new.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:20 | 2959269 Yen Cross
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 ASK "Dmitry Medvedev"  That was Otools whisper pal at the last U.N. conferrence.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:22 | 2959272 otto skorzeny
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O made alot of promises to alot of people to keep the shit together until the election. we'll have to see how it unravels

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:33 | 2959838 lakecity55
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Damn. I hope he did not promise Vlad my baseball card collection.  Now that 0'dark thirty phone call from Barry makes sense. He started off on "world affairs" and then went right for "how big is your collection, again?"

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:22 | 2959274 Jack Burton
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Romney promised to attack Iran. He lost, so that is out for now. BUT, it is likely that Obama will attack Iran when he is ordered to by Israel and their political lobby power centers in Washington. Obama is using drones to kill people in 7 different nations, all illegal under international law. Bush invaded Iraq and kill tens of thousands in a vast war crime based on lies. This is a demonstrable fact that is not even a subject of question. No matter who holds the White House, they are now fully engaged in war crimes as standard US foreign policy. WHo is foolish enough to believe Obama will not attack Iran upon orders of Israel?

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:35 | 2959307 Dr. Engali
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Try telling that to any Obama supporting rube. They don't believe for a minute that we are killing civilians with drones , and don't even go near the topic of allying with al Qaeda. Hell for that matter... The reds don't even believe it.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:07 | 2959381 Angus McHugepenis
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Is there an old saying that goes something like this: "The first term is for re-election, the second term is for history" (I'm going from my limitied memory about that quote and too lazy to Google it).

The next 4 years are for Barecrack to make history. He doesn't have to give a shit about the oBamaphone anymore because he ain't running for re-election next time around.The only thing he needs to worry about is obeying his bankster masters so he can survive long enough to start the $250,000 lecture circuit four years from now.

Side note: Dr. Engali, I watched a short vid of Luke Rudkowski doing on the street interviews in NYC with Obama supporters a week or so before the election. He asked people about "Romney's" policy of having a secret kill list, supporting NDAA, etc, etc. All the sheep said it was bad (or baaaadd). In the end he told them it was Obama, not Romney. Priceless...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:15 | 2959401 Dr. Engali
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And that is the reason why we are so screwed. The sorry thing is these people think they are educated and informed on the topics. ... The best sheep a soundbite can buy.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:45 | 2959454 Angus McHugepenis
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The truly sorry thing is that your Canadian neighbors know more about US politics and foreign affairs than the average NYC on-the-street "educated" libtard. The money shot of Luke's vid was 2 women (late 20's?) and one of them had a T-shirt on with the word BITCH across the boobs. Even after he told these white, educated, female liberal Obama supporters that is wasn't Romney's policies he was talking about, the silence was deafening for a short moment, and you could hear the gears in their so-called brains grinding to a halt. And it gets better (or worse?)... both of them were still going to vote for Obama. I'm sure you can find the vid at the wearechange dot org site if you wish to torture youself.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:10 | 2959739 cranky-old-geezer
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The sorry thing is these people think they are educated and informed on the topics. 

Actually no, they're proud of their ignorance. 

Their support of O is emotional, not factual.  Ask any woman why she supports O.  Her answer will be emotional, not factual.  They stumble around trying to think of a factual reason, and can't, because they have no facts.

What did O win on?  Charisma.  Phrases like "hope and change", "yes we can", and "change we can believe in".

Look out over the audience.   Glassy-eyed women chanting along as the charismatic O leads them thru "yes we can", "change we can believe in", chant after chant.   That's emotion, pure emotion. 

They don't have a clue what O stands for, and they don't care.  They have no idea what sort of "change" he would bring, and they don't care.

Ask them if O's policies are constitutional.   What policies?  They don't know.   What constitution?  They don't have a clue what it says and don't want to know what it says.

Same thing happened in Germany.  Germans supported Hitler emotionally, not factually, they didn't know anything about him or his politics.

What did Hitler win on?   Charisma.  Hitler's winning chant was "sieg heil" (hail victory).   What the fuck does that mean?  It doesn't mean anything, it's an emotional chant, repeated over and over playing the crowd's emotions.

When you can win on emotion, you have conquered the people (sheeple).  

You can become dictator and they'll still support you, just like Germans kept supporting Hitler when he became Reich Chancellor and Fuhrer after Hindenburg's death.

America has degenerated into a nation of dumbass emotional sheep, captivated by any charismatic con artist on TV. 

That's a nation not worth saving anymore.  Not worth sacrificing your life for anymore.

What did the roman Caesars do?  Went around invading and occupying other nations while the economy crumbled back home.

What did Hitler do?  Went around invading and occupying other nations while the economy crumbled back home.

What is O doing?  Going around invading and occupying other nations while the economy crumbles back home.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:20 | 2961536 RichardP
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You extrapolate from "emotional women" to both male and female Germans and then to both male and female Americans.  Either careless logic or weak writing or both.

What was there about Romney's proposed budget numbers that was more fact-based than Obama's hope and change meme?  Truth is, some women of both parties chose based on nothing more than emotion.  Other women of both parties chose based on something more substantial.

America has degenerated into a nation of dumbass emotional sheep, captivated by any charismatic con artist on TV.

Ask anyone who knows marketing and they will tell you that is an incorrect statement.  Marketing discovered that it could exploit in humans (not just Americans) these tendencies that already existed.  Marketing did not create these tendencies in humans.  America has not degenerated.  It has just been given more opportunities to display tendencies that were already there.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:35 | 2959630 Clashfan
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Is this it? Thanks for reminding me about this intriguing group.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 04:46 | 2959676 Angus McHugepenis
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Yes, that is the vid. I love the bleach-blond dykes, especially the dumb one with the word BITCH on her T-shirt.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:35 | 2959310 SgtShaftoe
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Exactly, all one needs to do is look at the 5 carrier battle groups on station off Iran. You couldn't squeeze a rubber fucking bath toy between all those warships. I suppose they're just there for good sunbathing and the weather. Who is fucking fooling who. Of course Obama is going to support the Israelis. That country is like an abused child, who goes on to abuse others.

Stop funding Israel and ask for our weapons to be returned! If they want to start shit, let them throw fucking rocks, the hyper-violent psychopaths.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 23:59 | 2959365 Kiwi Pete
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Maybe those carrier groups are there to stop the Israelis attacking Iran. Maybe Obama doesn't want to get emboiled in WW3. No matter what else you think of him, he's not stupid.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:05 | 2959377 Dr. Engali
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Okay do you expect us to believe that? Maybe you do a google search for Wesley Clark and his comments about taking out 7 countries in five years. Then get back to us.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:10 | 2959387 DaveyJones
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If oil didn't run the world, none of this crap would be going on

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:02 | 2959557 sitenine
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Are you implying that it's all oil's fault?

Do you seriously believe that if it wasn't oil, then it wouldn't be something else?

This crap is going on because certain subhuman bankers seem to find it perfectly acceptable to dominate and steal from others - it's no more complex than that Davey.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 03:54 | 2959641 Clashfan
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Bankers to a Luciferian system that thrives off of war and general human debasement.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 20:40 | 2962711 DaveyJones
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It's not ALL oil's fault, as you point out it's also human nature and greed. The thing about money and money systems are that they need to be backed by real things and some things are more real, valuable and "energetic" than others. Those things are getting well, stressed. They are also, well, heavily concentrated in certain areas.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:19 | 2959558 BlackholeDivestment
BlackholeDivestment's picture, the offer(s) of temptation, rooted in the host (image) of contempt, ultimately for one's own life in the end result, define the expense of a (nation) third party ...before the revelation of (loss and correction) war and death are confirmed. Petro dollars, or whatever (proverbial) defines the (slave offer) earmark, define the penalty to be paid in a world subject to contempt rendered through an (false claim of dominion) offer of temptation, a deceptive lie rather than a mutual agreement based on the required sustaing return for life etc... The point of order, the Constitution, the law, is to defend against this, but the (tax) system etc..., negates any defense for (persons) labor (borders). It boils down to the strong delusion of persons (willful or the blind innocent, be they morally suicidal or not, lol) and the penalty of corruption. Natural demand is obviously not part of the lawless market maker Fed Beast bound with Petro Dollars in this zeroing out of currencies in this global borderless crime wave upon this generation etc... Debt defines the power of contempt and the call of corruption. Oil, gold, etc..., does it matter? or does a careful, watchful, just and ethical population define our want and the deadly condition that proves our failure?

No, oil is just a major portion of the geopolitical tool(s) used for a global agenda that is centered in Jerusalem. It's deeper than any oil well and evil as all get out. Oil does not run the world, it fuels the contempt of power and the global drive for their new secular world order. Human slaughter rules the world through the offer of temptation, which opened up the gate of the black hole. The whole goal is to get the Muslim world to accept Israel by turning Jerusalem into a U.N. Secular Peace Prize, so Muslims and Jews etc... can go in peace to their Temple(s) in Jerusalem. To seal this false peace human sacrifice has been the offer all along the way. Call it another ancient Temple of human sacrifice, centered in the Middle East, just like the evil Mayans Aztecs... etc.. all the way back to Lucifer, some elder of man that made a counter offer based on a lie that ended up killing the Lord of Hosts and the likeness of His image, the children of the sustaining Mercy of God in Christ. The offer of temptation is based on the lack of foundation for cause, bywhich such (the) false (a deadly lie) claim(s) of dominion (is) have been based, knowingly(key point), as a result of the desire and want of an (every) asshole at war against life. 

...tain't no oil that fed the beast, tis Soylent Green ...Bitchez. LMAO.  

And now a preemptive World War Three Song, set in the image of; the Beast, that Gay Pride Commander Of The United States Armed Forces, 2012 Apollyon Risen, Clint's empty U.N. Security Council Chairman, the Homosexual Image of the Lie and False Claim of Dominion, the Black Hole. 

P.S. A child can be told the Truth, but that does not mean they are not subject to the unbecoming experience of the lie offered by some deadly freak that knows the Father's Truth and want's to become the new world order power on Earth, the Father of lies. Trixx are for kids.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:28 | 2959831 lakecity55
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You are describing Moloch/Ba'al worship.

Yes, it exists even today, in a disguised form.

Evil never sleeps.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:07 | 2962058 BlackholeDivestment
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...awesome, you got it. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:16 | 2959403 SgtShaftoe
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You mean maybe Obama won't commit acts of war against a foreign state (iran) acting fully within its own right and IAW international treaties for use of nuclear material...... Like say:

Waging an admitted aggressive cyber attack on Iran
Or... Placing paralyzing sanctions, can you say "blockade"
Waging financial war and causing hyperinflation in their currency
Or perhaps participating in assassination of scientists
Or sending in covert SOF teams into a sovereign state

Seems like the standard M.O. For provoking a war, like with Japan, or gulf of tonkin, but if you went to public school you wouldn't know about that.

No, Obama loves peace. I'm sure those battle groups are loaded with teddy bears and candy for the kiddies.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 00:47 | 2959457 DaveyJones
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you're on a roll sgt

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 01:12 | 2959496 SgtShaftoe
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Thanks, I'm so pissed at these idiots. At this point, they've had plenty of time to see the light, and if they don't, they don't deserve kid gloves. I've had friends blown apart from this insanity, and I'm fucking tired of the lies and propaganda. These people need to figure it out quick. I have no more patience, or sympathy for them anymore.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:56 | 2959602 Cathartes Aura
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I'll echo Davey sir, your posts on this and other threads tonight are impressive.

few things more powerful than voice of one who has lived experience and wakes up to the reality of lies and propaganda.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 09:46 | 2960036 my puppy for prez
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Hate to say this, but they have NEVER seen the light throughout ALL of history, and they aren't going to stop now.  It's a tragic reality that will plague us until who know when....

Here's a nice little quote to leave you with:


The Jewish supremacist rabbi, Harry Waton, confessed that not only is Communism Jewish, but that it is simply a  mechanism for Jewish world dominion and the subjugation of all non-Jews — a fulfillment of the megalomaniacal  messianic vision of the Torah and the Talmud. In his 1939 book, “A Program for The Jews and An Answer To All  Anti-Semites: A Program for Humanity”, the racist rabbi wrote:  “It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the  Jews readily took up Marxism; all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the  Jews. The Jews should realize that Jehovah no longer dwells in heaven, but he dwells in us  right here on earth; we must no longer look up to Jehovah as above us and outside of us,  but we must see him right within us,” (p. 148)  “Since the Jews are the highest and most cultured people on earth, the Jews have a right to  subordinate to themselves the rest of mankind and to be the masters over the whole earth.  Now, indeed, this is the historic destiny of the Jews,” (p. 99)  “Judaism is communism, internationalism, the universal brotherhood of man, the emancipation  of the working class and the human society. It is with these spiritual weapons that the Jews will  conquer the world and the human race.” (p. 100)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 11:18 | 2960420 DosZap
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my puppy for prez


Sounds JUST like the ISLAMIC PLAN to me..............................pick one.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 11:48 | 2960567 my puppy for prez
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Be careful about getting your info from propagandist sources.  It never leads down the path to TRUTH.  Do you know who is behind the unbridled immigration policy in both America and the Western world?

And, according to US Army reports, behind every Islamist is a Mossad operative, agitating and stirring up the hatred and distorting religious doctrine.  The endgame of these people is to pit Christianity and Islam against each other in mutual annihilation, with Talmudism as the ultimate beneficiary.  This is not a is happening before our very eyes.

I choose to not participate in such diabolical charades.  I choose love, not hate.  I hate NO ONE, not even these misguided Talmudic Zionists.  That would be their ultimate immerse the world in hatred.  I follow only one person and what He said:  "Love your enemies.  Pray for those who persecute you."  But calling out those who would do evil is not the same as hate.  It's called demanding accountability.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:37 | 2961603 RichardP
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The heroics is not in calling out those who would do evil.  The heroics is in properly defining evil in the first place.

I'm certain that both times the Islamists conquered parts of the West in history past, they considered it a righteous conquest, not evil.  I'm just as certain that those who were conquered considered it evil.

Where you stand depends upon where you sit.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 07:36 | 2959766 falak pema
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All true, but what you haven't said is WHY the US is doing isolate the potentially second biggest oil producer in the region. 

Its part of an ongoing US oil policy to sanctuarise their hegemonic access, IN THE NAME OF THE WEST, to this vital region.

Iraq was all about that and so was the Libyan caper, where they took advantage of Q-daffy's blatant hubris and strong arm tactics in Sahel region and also as pivotal contrarian Arab player as an Islamic beacon antagonistic to Saud regime, buddy of USA. 

THis is imperial play of classical nature and IRan is a targeted enemy of western interests. WHich explains the ramp up of under the belt tactics. 

Its all about OIL...that's my point, with NO holds barred. Its NOT the avowed nature of the USA but as we all know, the USA has gone imperial big time since 1964...and there's no turning back on that road.

Obammy is just ONE imperial Caesar of Pax Americana...

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