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First Ohio; Next 'The Moon'?

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While markets are digesting the probabilities of a dramatic rise in taxes and cut in spending as we approach the fiscal cliff, it appears that behind-the-scenes there has been a secret plan that we can only imagine is designed to rocket-boost us over the cliff - new manned missions to the moon. As reports, NASA is serious about sending astronauts back to the moon's neighborhood and will likely unveil its ambitious plans soon now that President Barack Obama has been re-elected, experts say. They go on to comment that "The space agency has apparently been thinking about setting up a manned outpost beyond the moon's far side, both to establish a human presence in deep space and to build momentum toward a planned visit to an asteroid in 2025. The new plans have probably already been cleared with the Obama Administration but have been kept under wraps in case Republican candidate Mitt Romney won Tuesday night's (Nov. 6) presidential election." While the claims are that this will not increase the budget, we suspect out-of-this-world manned outposts cost a little more than the $17.7bn budgeted for NASA in 2013... someone is clearly eating space-cakes. Ironic really given our earlier post...




NASA is serious about sending astronauts back to the moon's neighborhood and will likely unveil its ambitious plans soon now that President Barack Obama has been re-elected, experts say.


The space agency has apparently been thinking about setting up a manned outpost beyond the moon's far side, both to establish a human presence in deep space and to build momentum toward a planned visit to an asteroid in 2025.


The new plans have probably already been cleared with the Obama Administration but have been kept under wraps in case Republican candidate Mitt Romney won Tuesday night's (Nov. 6) presidential election, said space policy expert John Logsdon, a professor emeritus at George Washington University.


"NASA has been evolving its thinking, and its latest charts have inserted a new element of cislunar/lunar gateway/Earth-moon L2 sort of stuff into the plan," Logsdon told (The Earth-moon L2 is a so-called libration point where the two bodies' gravitational pulls roughly balance out, allowing spacecraft to essentially park there.)


"They've been holding off announcing that until after the election," Logsdon added, noting that Romney had pledged to reassess and possibly revise NASA's missions and direction.



A new vision of human space exploration


In 2010, President Obama directed NASA to work toward sending astronauts to a near-Earth asteroid by 2025, then on to the vicinity of Mars by the mid-2030s. To reach such deep-space destinations, the agency is developing a huge rocket called the Space Launch System (SLS) and a crew capsule named Orion.


But astronauts likely won't head straight to a space rock when SLS and Orion are ready to fly together in 2021. In the last year, word has begun leaking out that NASA wants to explore Earth-moon L2, a point in space that lies beyond the moon's far side, as a precursor.


Rumors currently point toward parking a spacecraft at the Earth-moon L2 gateway, so NASA (and perhaps international partners) can learn more about supporting humans in deep space. Astronauts stationed there could also aid in lunar exploration — by teleoperating rovers on the moon's surface, for example.


NASA officials think they can pull off such manned missions without busting their budget, which stands at $17.7 billion in the proposed 2013 federal budget.


"They're not talking about plans that imply significant budget increases," Logsdon said. "It gives a more focused use for SLS and Orion before an asteroid mission."


Moon missions coming soon?


Exploration of Earth-moon L2 could get started as early as 2021 with the first manned flight of SLS and Orion, which NASA calls Exploration Mission 2. (Exploration Mission 1 is the initial, unmanned test launch of SLS, slated for late 2017.)


"I'm not privy to the specifics of this, but one could conceive of the second SLS mission being the start of activity in cislunar space, rather than just being a lunar orbit mission," Logsdon said.


We may know soon enough. NASA higher-ups have dropped hints recently that a big announcement may indeed be in the offing before too much longer.


"We just recently delivered a comprehensive report to Congress outlining our destinations which makes clear that SLS will go way beyond low-Earth orbit to explore the expansive space around the Earth-moon system, near-Earth asteroids, the moon, and ultimately, Mars," NASA deputy chief Lori Garver said at a conference in September.


"Let me say that again: We're going back to the moon, attempting a first-ever mission to send humans to an asteroid and actively developing a plan to take Americans to Mars," Garver added.


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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:57 | 2962939 hedgeless_horseman
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NASA is serious about sending astronauts back to the moon's neighborhood
  • Wright Brothers first fly in 1903. 
  • Russians orbit earth in 1961.  JFK promises US will land man on moon and return to Earth within 8 years  (58 years later).
  • Americans orbit moon, land, drive electric car around, take off again in ship about the size of a prius, orbit moon again, and return to earth safely in 1969 (8 years later).
  • Americans orbit earth in 2010 (41 years later).
Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:58 | 2962971 TwoShortPlanks
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I suppose it's better than ANOTHER War.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:01 | 2962979 no taste
Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2963013 knukles
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Where's Stanley Kubrick when we need him?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:16 | 2963031 nmewn
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I nominate Space Cadet Biden to leave stranded on the desolate rock.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:27 | 2963059 notbot
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Seems Obama took that whole Paul Krugman "defend earth from aliens" idea to heart. 



Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:30 | 2963079 TruthInSunshine
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We should ship fractional reserve wanking bankers to outer space.

Bullard is citing research and claiming that Fed Monetary Policy may be considerably looser than they had thought, with a -5% NIRP, essentially (gee, really Bullard? You don't say...).

This appears to be consistent with the move the BOE made in calling off QE, as they concluded it was ineffective.

Shit's going to get real, really fast, bitchez.

Fed's Bullard: Current Monetary Policy May Be Easier Than Thought

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:08 | 2963339 Deo vindice
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Hey, if a country is going to go bankrupt, they might as well go in style. Or not.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:35 | 2963477 Oh regional Indian
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If anyone believes the legend of NASA, they shoudl really read the report from Iron Mountain.

Recommendation 2 or 3 I forget : A very expensive space program with unattainable goals always way out into the future to keep the populace occupied.

Funny how people "buy" the poor CGI horse-dung Mars Bars Curiousity Rover "zapping" a rock BULLPUCKY now just like their pre-decessors in the late 60's bought the "Amazing Moon Dust repelling, Cardboard and Thumb-tack, Squiggly wire covered, Moronic, Morose or outsight mad Ass-true-NOT laden Moon Missions" with film in magic cameras that with-stood 400 degree temperature shifts and humongous doses of radiation on the moon, thoughthey neded special treatment in airport X-ray dectectors.... on and freaking on. Tell a lie often enough, show a picture....

Yes, we did it, so easy back then. Van Allen belt? Pshaw. Piece of radiated cake in a thin aluminium foil box. Controlled descent and ascent from unknown surface in unknown gravitation/atmospheric conditions? Double pshaw... this is America. We win!!!

See you on the moon in 2040....hah!

The US is really becoming a clown-show. 


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:48 | 2963577 MelvilleSaysNo
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I was going to say something along those lines, but you stole my thunder.  Well done.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 03:55 | 2963636 Oh regional Indian
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Melville, perhaps we need to thunder together. I'm amazed at how may people here believe it.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 06:37 | 2963758 negative rates
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The space agency has apparently been thinking about setting up a manned outpost beyond the moon's far side,......Uhh yea, its called MARS!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 08:37 | 2963877 francis_sawyer
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The Nazi's have secretly been holed up on the dark side of the moon...


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 10:52 | 2964301 Boris Alatovkrap
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But no living soviet scientist is point out 1960s American farcical! Of course, Soviet is own space program and debunk America moon landing is make mockery of own programs (pogroms).

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:21 | 2963358 Stackers
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Obama continuing more GW Bush policies ? Most of the R&D for the moon mission was done under Bush, then cancelled by Obama, only to be reintroduced as the Obama moon mission ?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:28 | 2963368 Coke and Hookers
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This is brilliant. Earth's resources of debt collateral have been exhausted and new collateral must be found. Imagine how much debt can be based on a piece of real estate like the moon. This will save the system!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:31 | 2963561 DeadFred
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I heard a rumor they found a way to put a golf course on the moon. That may have been an influence.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 08:18 | 2963843 dbomb12
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I think they want to set up a new outpost for  al-Qaeda

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 06:51 | 2963767 Arnold
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Legacy. He's got to find many more things to leave his scent mark on, to fill his Presidential Library. Right now the collection consists of a single empty chair.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:53 | 2963140 magpie
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I'll raise both in Keynesianism and nihilism and declare the moon a death star built by an ancient civilization. Fire away...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:33 | 2963091 Oldballplayer
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Only if we leave him with a nuke to blow himself to pieces. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:44 | 2963119 A Lunatic
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Fuck that. Leave him hog-tied and naked with nothing but Janet Napolitano and a 10" strap-on.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:18 | 2963039 old naughty
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Space Odd-excess 2012.

A sequel.

btw, does Gen-X know who he is?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:23 | 2963053 jekyll island
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The only thing that is going to the moon is the price of PMs.  Fuck you NASA, Fuck You Obummer.  Thanks for ruining what is left of my country.  

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:26 | 2963239 max2205
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What Barry actually said was that he'd like to send something up to URANUS

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:18 | 2963041 TwoShortPlanks
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I'll admit this; the day they put wings on rockets destroyed the beauty of spaceflight for me. I mean, the Shuttle is a fucktard design. RTLS Abort was a joke and NASA was lucky to have got away with it for so long. Back to sanity, back to LES Aborts.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:52 | 2963511 Oh regional Indian
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TSP, cannot believe that you Believe the space nuttery.

Please go here and dig around....





Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:33 | 2963562 TwoShortPlanks
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Sorry, that's right, nobody went, and we must go now!

So, we choose to go to the moon.....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 03:52 | 2963632 spdrdr
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Jeez, you pair are seriously out there......

I'm just going to back away slowly - I'm not looking at YOU particularly, oh no, I'm, um, looking at that mark on the wall, near the door.

Anyway, thanks for the drinks and weed, but, you know, I've got to get jivin'....

Happy Festivus or whatever!

.... {closes door, exits stage right}........ 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 04:50 | 2963690 spdrdr
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Sorry, "you pair" was a bit of a reach, upon full consideration of the posts above.

I deserve the downtick(s) for not reading the posts properly...

For the purposes of clarification, Ori's post is seriously scary.

Seriously. Scary.

"Put down the scissors!" type of Scary.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:03 | 2962983 Zer0head
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First Ohio

next stop Burma


Go F youselves unemployed suckas

I'm the King o the World

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:08 | 2962996 knukles
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Not increase the budget, my ass.
Do you realize NASA can't eve shoot off a rocket anymore?
Their Shuttles crash and burn...
More than once...

And in any case, we sooner or later got to confront the alien menace already ensconced in bases on the dark side of the moon ...

Moon Base Krugman
Landing Pad Dipshit
Command Module Keynes
Loose Bowels Ben ATM System
Transporter Corzine

Moon on Official TimmahTime



(la la la la lahhh ha ha al a)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2963010 A Lunatic
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This in fact will not increase the budget since they stopped setting budgets a few years back.............

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:06 | 2963329 pods
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Here's an idea:
Why not just pull all the stuff we used to get there the first dozen times flawlessly 40 years ago out of the museum and just shoot it back up there?

 Not much money to do that now is there?

We could probably make new suits for them, as there may be some moth damage.

Or we could just call Rammstein, they has some pretty cool looking suits.



Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:07 | 2963939 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Can't do. All of the engineering & manufacturing dwgs were destroyed years ago- something about the cost of air conditioning!


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:12 | 2963952 kridkrid
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Interestingly, all of that "know-how" is gone.  that's a challenge with knowledge based organizations... the knowledge retires.  Operation Paperclip was a success... now it's over.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2963012 TwoShortPlanks
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"Their Shuttles crash and burn"....good point, long bodybags.

*Deploying Chaff and Flares...NOW!*

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:11 | 2963018 knukles
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Dave?  Don't do that, Dave.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:18 | 2963040 LetThemEatRand
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Global Positioning Satellites my ass.  It will never work.  And who would use it?  Sailors?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:14 | 2963344 pods
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And how high up are they?  Didn't the Red Bull guy take a wiz on one before he jumped?


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:42 | 2963383 LetThemEatRand
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Global Positioning Satellites orbit at between 6000 to 12,000 miles above the surface.  Red Bull guy was about 20 miles up.  In space, no one can hear a fact-free ideology scream in failure.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:39 | 2964042 pods
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Sweet, now we just have to go another 20x farther away.
And back.  On one tank too, as the lines for fuel on the moon are longer than the ones on LI.

(and yes I understand that gravity diminishes the further you move away from an object)

As for facts, was it a fact that the world watched, live, Neil Armstrong walk on the moon?


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:49 | 2963132 vast-dom
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let's get the fuck off this ponzi prison planet! just can we please colonize based on IQ or some such? 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:37 | 2963473 Arisu
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Implying high IQ people automatically have what it takes to create a peaceful, loving, cooperative, and non-selfdestructive society.

Do a reality check and you'll find out that counterparts of those you are seeing in your dream are mostly really economics PhDs who have studied under the great professor Ben Shalom Bernanke, or worse.

"Bernanke achieved a SAT score of 1590 out of 1600."

Besides, it is my opinion that the problems posed in IQ tests merely test how much the person conforms to standard logical reasoning and thinking strategies, which doesn't necessarily translate into ethical reasoning capabilites or how well you can solve non-linear problems. Basically I'd say it's bullshit to argue based on IQ associations unless you want to arrange a penis length contest for mathematicians.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 03:24 | 2963611 Lore
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Agreed. Standardized testing measures the quality of your mind as a receptacle. Revolutionary truths and real brilliance are by definition antithetical to standardization and accreditation.  And worrisome to vested interests.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 05:43 | 2963725 geekgrrl
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 12:37 | 2964729 Totentänzerlied
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If creating a peaceful society is the goal, intelligence is not correlated. Lower IQ violence is messier than higher IQ violence which is far more deadly. OJ Simpson vs Benocide Bernanke - both violent sociopaths.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:35 | 2964024 ptoemmes
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I wonder it there will be a Central Bank of the Moon - the MCB - there already.  If not careful, the newly arrived inhabitants are sure to set one up.  

I'd say at least a no Keynesian litmus test.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:53 | 2963139 Id fight Gandhi
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Better than ANOTHER war

Why not have both?!

That's no moon. That's a SPACESTATION!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:10 | 2964853 SoNH80
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Yes, more subsidy for defense contractors, but at least nobody gets killed with these plans.  We should also bankroll a $1 trln SST (Supersonic Transport) program with Mickey Mouse money while we're at it, Omaha to Peoria in 7 minutes, let's push this thing into full tilt boogie mode, baby!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:26 | 2963556 Yamaha
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Can't we just send Obama there on an old Cold War rocket?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:26 | 2963557 Yamaha
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Can't we just send Obama there on an old Cold War rocket?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 05:41 | 2963723 GAAPpreNixon
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IF ET lifts the quarantine against the naked killer apes going beyond near Earth orbit.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:03 | 2962986 Canaduh
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 10:30 | 2964247 Opinionated Ass
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Oh Canaduh. I'm with you.

If NASA had really wanted to fake the moon landings - we're talking purely hypothetical here - the timing was certainly right. The advent of television, having reached worldwide critical mass only years prior to the moon landing, would prove instrumental to the fraud's success

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:50 | 2963135 Overfed
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Had we not spent $3 trillion on unnecessary wars/DHS, TSA, etc. over the last 11 years, we could have had a colony on Mars by now.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 07:27 | 2963695 ThirdWorldDude
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"My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you. It's called 'Daisy':


Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.

I'm half crazy all for the love of you.

It won't be a stylish marriage,

I can't afford a carriage.

But you'll look sweet upon the seat

Of a bicycle built for two."

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:49 | 2962940 knowless
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moombase bitchez

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:58 | 2962969 JohnG
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:11 | 2963016 Pants McPants
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Choom is an anagram for Mooch.  Coincidence?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:20 | 2963036 JohnG
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And its a palindrome.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:26 | 2963051 knowless
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wtf does choom mean? am i supposed to understand this.


edit: looked it up, okay, whatever.


also, misspelling moon.. dammit

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:06 | 2963186 JohnG
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Ask WB7, fair credit.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:30 | 2963081 Pants McPants
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Not quite, but close. 

(took me a bit to think it through)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:23 | 2963056 knukles
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(Jesus, nothing better to the elections over and Doc Engali was wonderin' what we were gonna be talkin' about... HELP)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:01 | 2963430 Nobody For President
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Go clean your guns Knuks - that's a good boy.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:04 | 2962993 Antifaschistische
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Education Complex

   Military Industrial Complex

      Transportation Complex

          SpaceShip Complex


....all of them, making billions for friends and family of Washington insiders

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:07 | 2962999 cifo
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:50 | 2962944 bania
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zh you're going mental with the volume of posts today!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:53 | 2962951 fuu
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Fomatting farked up there HH.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:54 | 2962954 Neethgie
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Big government agency promises it wont go over budget....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:59 | 2962975 Urban Redneck
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But what is the total budget for the moonshot?  What exactly are they are promising this year, some pretty pictures and spreadsheets, with some of the spare change of their existing $17.7 BILLION budget.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:04 | 2962990 Mad Mohel
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They should just contract it out to RedBull and get it done for 10K.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:22 | 2963050 nmewn
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Hey, they already spent BILLIONS for those spreadsheets & Power Point presentations! We've got to see this glorious boondoggle through to its ignominious end!

Its the American Way ;-)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:27 | 2963069 knukles
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     Booyah, TaxPayer Money GiveAway!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:55 | 2962956 Mad Mohel
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They must have been inspired by the Bernank, "to infinity and beyond!"

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:55 | 2962959 Jason T
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for some reason, the Space Balls theme comes to mind..

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:09 | 2963008 NeedtoSecede
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May The Schwartz be with you.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:55 | 2962960 Peter Pan
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Isn't sending astronauts back to the moon a rather expensive way of solving the unemployment problem?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:47 | 2963047 lolmao500
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Meh not much more than the current plan... since the depth of the recession, every single new job has cost $1.7 million (without counting private, corporate, state and cities debt) and a ride on the Russian space rocket is $63 million per astronaut. It's only 37 times more... but eh, you're going into space... so it's worth it...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:57 | 2962964 L0nG-DoNg-SiLv3R
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Beam me up, Gingritch!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:57 | 2962966 SloaneSquare
Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:57 | 2962967 Flakmeister
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Newt 2016!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2963009 Jason T
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with all due respect, it was Chappelle who was first about going to the moon..

Obama must have been watching Chappelle again is my guess..

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:59 | 2962974 JohnG
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Long Datrex.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:59 | 2962977 shovelhead
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Explore the Moon?

For rare resources...


Printing ink.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 21:59 | 2962978 Dr. Engali
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I'll believe it when I see it but in my view its ridiculous that we have wasted all this time since our last visit to the moon.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:13 | 2963025 A Lunatic
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Hollywood studios are much better now................

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:31 | 2963087 magpie
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Frostbite instead of stop motion ?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 04:58 | 2963698 ThirdWorldDude
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You don't need cameras, studios, or front-screen projection, CGI is so advanced these days...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:06 | 2962985 JustObserving
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WTF.  Obama canceled the Constellation program in 2010 which was supposed to get a man to the moon.

Bush started the program in 2005 to get a man to the moon by 2018

By 2010, the date had been moved back to 2028 and the program was over budget and canceled by Obama.

"According to Bolden, things weren’t really going all that well anyway: “Currently, [Bolden] said, the 5-year-old Constellation program is burning through billions of dollars and falling further behind schedule. The program couldn’t get American astronauts back to the moon until at least 2028 … ‘So as much as we would not like it to be the case … the truth is that we were not on a path to get back to the moon’s surface,’ Bolden said.”


Well, were we at least on a path to put together a better simulation of landing on the Moon?


Taking into account that the Constellation Program was begun in 2005, and that the Apollo program allegedly landed men on the Moon in a mere eight years, it would appear that it wouldn’t actually take twice as long to get back to the Moon with today’s technology, as previously advertised, but would actually take at least three times as long! If, that is, we were able to man-up and follow through with the plan, which obviously isn’t going to happen."

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:04 | 2962989 grunk
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And I think it's gonna be a long, long time.  

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:13 | 2963022 knukles
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Moonbase Bowie

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:42 | 2963387 Hulk
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How about moonbase John ???

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:19 | 2968926 wahrheit
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Lunar Colony Major Tom

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:07 | 2962998 Shizzmoney
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Does the Moon have Gold or Lithium?

Then this makes sense.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2963015 Jack D. Ripper
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When they get there, they can also search for Obama's missing birth certificate.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:14 | 2963027 A Lunatic
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Yes, destroying the fucking moon in the search for profits makes tons of sense............

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:24 | 2963044 knukles
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Must be heavily subsidized

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:09 | 2963002 mayavision2012
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The country should lobby to put Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blankfein, Dimon, Corzine, the Kochs and all their minions on the moon. 

Give them loads of money to take with them, of course.  Then, they would have all the money they want and have no place to spend it.  They would kill each other off in no time. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:24 | 2963062 Mad Mohel
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Pretty sure Cheney already has a bunker built there.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:09 | 2963005 Rick Blaine
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On a somewhat related tangent, I highly recommend some of the "Space: 1999" videos on youtube...

I don't remember ever seeing it in reruns when I was a kid, but from what I've seen on youtube, it was pretty sweet.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:27 | 2963071 Dr. Engali
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You must be a youngster. I grew up on Lost in Space, Star Trek, and Space 1999.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:10 | 2963011 Drunken Monkey
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A Monn base makes sense. The Fed needs a dumping ground for all it's toxic assets

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:11 | 2963017 magpie
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Someone was selling moon plots once - Moon based securities.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:18 | 2963042 knukles
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Astronomical Backed Securities.

Cheap real estate in space effective no term securities

Financially unstable lousy long-term securities

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:24 | 2963057 magpie
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It just might work. Shoot up a vat of anaerobic lifeforms and a 3D printer, and sell/lease them. Or just print a prospectus of it.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 07:37 | 2963792 spanish inquisition
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Good general info on minor international law stuff a corporation would need to get through to own the moon.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:16 | 2963023 dwdollar
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Another "hilarious if it wasn't so fucking pathetic" moment. NASA can't even get a person into low Earth orbit anymore. The moon is much, much farther away than low Earth orbit last time I checked. We are suppose to believe this BS political rhetoric because???

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:26 | 2963988 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Hell, they can't even get a mouse into orbit!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:14 | 2963024 Yes_Questions
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Brilliant!  The new (cosmic) reserve currency, to be called the Astro, will be backed by Moon Dust. 

And it will take at least a thousand years for there to be a decoupling from the Dust Standard in order to sink those damn Martians in a debt fueled militarism.

To the Moon, and Beyond!


Dust, Bitchez!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:16 | 2963033 edifice
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Fuck, I'm long Angel Dust... What's the exchange rate, again?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:14 | 2963026 Phroneo
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I'm in support of this. It's something worth doing for it's own sake, provided we try to build 100% reusable rockets. According to Elon Musk of SpaceX, less than 1% of any launch price is the fuel. It's as if we had to build a new palce for every flight. Mastering that is most important and could make space travel safe and cheap. I used to think a few illion was a lot but the amounts we give out as bailouts and forgo through ridiculous tax loopholes make space travels costs a moot point. Not to mention the drug war and otehr failed policies!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:15 | 2963030 lolmao500
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Funny the MSM was laughing at Gingrich for his moon plans but as soon as Dear Leader proposes the same thing, it's fucking awesome!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:29 | 2963078 knukles
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Propaganda Matrix

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:21 | 2963037 Insideher Trading
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Will the NASA rockets be powered by the same magic and rainbows that Al Gore's 'green' jet plane is powered on? The only jet plane on planet earth that actually combats global warming knuckle-to-knuckle.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:27 | 2963072 JohnG
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And carbon neutral to boot!


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:22 | 2963048 rebelscum1967
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:22 | 2963049 jonjon831983
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Only if there are military applications that can hide extra budgetary needs of the military.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:52 | 2963292 ebworthen
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Ding!  We have a winner!

Hill, castle w/parapet, biplane, bomber; and now weapons in space.

Google "rods from God" and the X37.  These are not about space exploration but aerial superiority.

"Aerial" is now space.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:23 | 2963055 Go Tribe
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Who would have guessed that a tarred and feathered Kenyan would be the first exile to the dark side of the moon?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:26 | 2963065 cougar_w
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I know what this is about.

Government has lost its reason to live. They can become relevant again by waging war, but they would rather not. They can also make themselves important by taking on a very large project beyond the reach of corporations. So they are going to try and put meat on the moon.

And there is one more thing. This is more subtle.

All the interest in "extra-Solar planets" is gaining traction because simple minded people are becoming afraid. They sense that the world is about to come unglued and they want to escape, to go somewhere beyond the reach of Jihad and Monsanto, somewhere simple and sane and unconfusing. Of course there is no escape. Ever. Never. This world is our rock and it is our grave. But they are simple minded, so can be calmed by stories of distant worlds green and lush, unsoiled by human greed and extremism. Or even the moon, where you can live like Swiss Family Robinson starting over. It is romantic, StarTrek-beam-me-up stuff that doesn't look like a freakish, AGW-driven hurricane Sandy bearing down on you like the eight gates of Hell.

They are simple minded, so it will work for them.

A descent into fantasy could have been expected. It is I suppose the prelude to a descent into insanity. The latter surely awaits many of us, weak of mind and poor in spirit, who lacking any other narrative will dream themselves a rocket and head for the stars.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:57 | 2963155 Spastica Rex
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You know, if we really are standing at the edge of the precipice, what a remarkable time to live!

Everybody's dying all the time, always - but the end of mankind: what a rare way to do it.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:10 | 2963196 A Lunatic
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I have read government narratives extolling the virtues of terrorizing the good people of planet Earth into submission with the threat of an alien invasion. This would also necessitate the reality of "extra solar planets".

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:26 | 2963066 BudFox2012
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Holy distraction, batman!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:34 | 2963092 knukles
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Is it any safer in Des Moines?


(could go nuts in this fuckin' place)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:36 | 2963101 kedi
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However large your nest seems to be, shit in it long enough and you'll need to leave. Or you could learn to live like intelligent beings.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:37 | 2963103 THE DORK OF CORK
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I was a fan of these missions before as they gave a mission people could aim for withen a wider context but not even basic systems is breaking down.


WePollack talks about the lack of chain of command.


with for example people without useful jobs burning gasoline to get to their desks while people with physical skills are isolated from the flow.

In his other videos he talks of a triage system happening in Long island – but its a sort of propoganda triage where the most numbers can be claimed are back on line rather then saving the most desperate people that can indeed be saved.

 there is something deeply weird about the modern market state – the soviet system was far more functional.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:39 | 2963104 THE DORK OF CORK
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I was a fan of these goals at one time as they gave a mission people could aim for within a wider broader context but now even basic systems is breaking down.


WePollack talks about this lack of a chain of command.



with for example people without useful jobs burning gasoline to get to their desks while people with physical skills are isolated from the flow.

In his other videos he talks of a triage system happening in Long island – but its a sort of propoganda triage where the most numbers can be claimed are back on line rather then saving the most desperate people that can indeed be saved.

 there is something deeply weird about the modern market state – the soviet system was far more functional.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:39 | 2963108 Long-John-Silver
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Apparently life forms have been discovered on the dark side of the moon. We must investigate the possibility that they need Food Stamps, Healthcare, Welfare, and an Obamaphone.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:41 | 2963128 Rob Jones
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You've really got to admire the man's dedication and sense of purpose. Here is a person who won't rest until he has spread government oppression and tyranny to the furthest reaches of outer space. He's like Emperor Palpatine in that respect.

And, now that I think about it, why do they want to put the base on the dark side of the moon? It wouldn't be because the dark side of the force happens to be stronger there, would it?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:42 | 2963116 dwdollar
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This is the simple fucking truth even if it's hard for many to swallow even here on ZH. America has transitioned from a nation of doers to a nation of bullshitters. The goal now is to fool everyone into believing the bullshit by using past greatness (which can never be duplicated in a socialism or crony capitalism) as "proof" of progress. The great NASA "renaissance" is always right around the corner. Just like the wars are almost won, the job market is improving, and chocolate rations are up...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:52 | 2963138 Spastica Rex
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Hey! I mentioned Space: 1999 in a prior discussion! Someone aped my train of thought!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:58 | 2963160 toomanyfakecons...
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Back to the moon? We never went there to begin with.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:02 | 2963172 Fix It Again Timmy
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It is a real possibility, just re-engineer the Chevy Volt - the ignition system works great, just need to add a few big-assed fuel tanks and it's 10..9...8...engine ignition, we have lift off... to the moon!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:03 | 2963177 Yes_Questions
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BTW, what a great TV show this was (Space: 1999). 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:10 | 2963198 Spastica Rex
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The first season.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:11 | 2963201 Bansters-in-my-...
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...this "2025" seems like a big year for the terrorist.

Learn about "Own the Weather 2025"



Your life depends on it.

Tell your friends and family,be patient with them and be persistant.

It's for real.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 04:13 | 2963649 Money 4 Nothing
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Actually, the programe you have to keep your eye on is called HAMP. Airforce weather control.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:30 | 2963246 Bansters-in-my-...
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There must be a planet somewhere that is in need of being "lirberated"

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:45 | 2963278 unemployed
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This is a plan to land a gold laden asteroid on earth so that all the JPM naked gold shorts will be in the money for the next 30 years.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:47 | 2963280 ebworthen
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The only thing NASA should be doing is building the Death Star.

The rest is a dream and a fantasy we should have outgrown.

No food in space, never will be, but lots of people at universities and a lot of foreigners make and blow a lot of taxpayer money pursuing pipe dreams in a vacuum. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:08 | 2963338 surf0766
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Anything to keep the sheeps from looking at the growing communist hold.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 00:48 | 2963405 Killer the Buzzard
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R.I.P. Martin Landau.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:48 | 2963470 Haole
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What an absolute load of fucking malarkey.

Anyone with two nearons to rub together, including all the delusional cunts within NAZA, knows people aren't going further than 400 miles off the surface of this celestial asylum by "conventional" means, if you know what I mean.  Manned mission to mars, laughable.  This post is a fairy tale at best...  Then again, 17 billion could probably finance some pretty fancy studio production and CGI, which is all that would really matter.

Anyone who still believes we went to the Moon multiple times in tin cans with the computing power of Casio wristwatches on the tips of rockets in the first place should question one's entire perception of reality if one hasn't already.   I would hope that intellectual throwbacks of this ilk would be very few and far between here but as was once said, "only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

More distraction for the drooling masses.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 07:52 | 2963809 unemployed
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Lol,  it was not really that hard computationally.   Remember they did not use Python in those days.  They were teaching orbital math to high school students.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:41 | 2963489 leftcoastfool
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One of these days, Alice... BAM!...ZOOM!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 01:44 | 2963497 Bunga Bunga
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Build the moon base big enough so whole DC fits into it.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 02:04 | 2963530 Kiwi Pete
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Looks like China will beat you to it. Too bad as it's gonna suck to learn Chinese before touring the moon.


China set to launch bigger space program
by Staff Writers
Beijing (AFP) July 1, 2012


China will deploy bigger spacecraft for longer missions following the success of its Shenzhou 9 voyage, allowing it to build a manned space station and potentially put a man on the moon, experts said.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:57 | 2964112 pods
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The country that cannot launch a boat, keep lead out of paint, bubbles out of rivers, and plastic out of rice is going to build a moon base?

Maybe they are just looking for a place to dump all their waste, as they cannot dump anymore into their rivers?


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