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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:04 | 2960653 Calidreaming
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Ya think?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:09 | 2960678 Unprepared
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As I've been saying all along, whoever would have been in office, people would start regretting the last 4 years.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:41 | 2960837 narapoiddyslexia
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Hmmm, I seem to remember many predictions about the future made by sell side punters, all wrong. Moreover. a little research into Mr. Roberts history reveals some very strange things. Do a FINRA broker's search.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:16 | 2960979 old naughty
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Why's that

you think!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:53 | 2961705 sbenard
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More malaise = Obamalaise!
Sounds so elegant -- until we hit the sidewalk!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2960669 foodstampbarry
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Reap it Bitchez...Reap it!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2960670 RSloane
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The current administration is not 'trapped' into the belief that big government is the solution to long-term economic ills. It is founded on that belief. It is the core of their belief system. They are not trapped; they chose this path consciously and deliberately.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2960978 Spastica Rex
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How else are we supposed to get to a New World Order?

A global government isn't going to magically appear out of thin air. Sheesh.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2960673 TideFighter
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The next four weeks...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:13 | 2960683 A Lunatic
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Tuck your balls and run for cover............

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:55 | 2961432 DosZap
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Tuck your balls and run for cover............


They do  that automatically in Fight or Fright.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:14 | 2960684 Flakmeister
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Peak oil and an ill resolved debt hangover do wonders for prospects down the road...


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:28 | 2960764 DaveyJones
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along with an ever ethical legislature

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:32 | 2960787 Flakmeister
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Rats always look after themselves first...

Mind you, there are more than a few that really do not have a clue of overall macro conditions, i.e. the data, let alone what the implications are...

The quality of a government is proportional to the effort made by the electorate on understanding the issues....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:38 | 2960815 DaveyJones
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and just like social security these rats won't eat their own GMOs

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:44 | 2960852 pods
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And the ability of the electorate to actually understand the real issues is inversly proportional to how shady and corrupt the government is.

What is the saying the cops use?  Yeah, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to hide?

Works on us, why not on them?



Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:16 | 2960983 Spastica Rex
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Anti-education: it does wonders.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2961068 Flakmeister
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Well in all fairness the goverment does not spend millions and advertising half truths and factually dubious claims on TV... That is a purely corporate construction designed to muddy the waters....

You know the ones, peddling clean coal for example....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:50 | 2961145 pods
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Well I am not that well versed on clean coal, but I would think they would promote their own self interest.

Same as the government.  I do not know the budget of the BLS or all those involved in the CPI calulation, but I don't think I am going out on a limb by stating that what they publish is in their own (those that pay their salaries) self interest.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 16:47 | 2961920 blunderdog
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    Well I am not that well versed on clean coal...

That's 'cause there ISN'T ANY.

It's possible to build coal-fired power plants which are clean, but there's currently no way for those plants to produce electricity at comparable cost to "dirty" plants, so ultimately it suffers the exact same problem as the nukes, solar, and wind farms.

It can't compete.  Just because we have a lot of coal-miners doesn't mean someone's going to start pouring money into losing investments.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 20:31 | 2962695 DaveyJones
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well, in all fairness, the government does not spend millions advertising because it can usually get the media to give them free air time. Granted, they are, how shall we say, "influenced" by big evil corporations and money men, the government is nevertheless the largest false advertiser 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 12:05 | 2964595 XitSam
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"If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to hide."

Every person that tells you that, ask them to give you their wallet. You won't steal anything, just look at everything in it. Or their house, open drawers, look at financial records. After all, why would they object if they have nothing to hide?

Privacy is not about hiding something illegal.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:14 | 2960686 Joe Davola
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...increased regulations covering ... the financial industry...


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:14 | 2960688 Yen Cross
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 They will be for people that actually know how to short the markets...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:15 | 2960696 semperfi
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The Kenyan's goal is to destroy the USA and make the sheeple believe he is trying to save it.  He has been wildly successful on both counts. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:25 | 2960744 DaveyJones
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If you really think this due to 1 president you have a lot of math and history to catch up on

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:34 | 2960797 Flakmeister
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Recall Flakmeister's Rule of Thumb:

  Any post with the word Kenyan in it will be devoid of content and factually challenged...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2960990 Spastica Rex
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Kenyans are accomplished marathon runners.

Yankin yer chain.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:25 | 2961021 Flakmeister
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Hence "Rule of thumb"....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:54 | 2961167 pods
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Will the Kenyans make out better in the coming zombie apocalypse?
Cardio and all.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:41 | 2960834 semperfi
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Please help me understand what other president:

1) socialized the entire medical industry
2) worked/working with the UN to disarm citizens
3) signed the NDAA into law
4) burried the death of an ambassador
5) racked up 5 trillion in national debt (so far)
6) promoted class warfare
7) was brought up a radical by his father, preacher, and associates
8) hates the USA

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:45 | 2960859 bobnoxy
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You sir, are a screeching idiot. Turn off the Fox propaganda and start thinking for yourself. It should be clear by now that everything they're telling you is pure horseshit.

None of what you just posted has any factual merit whatsoever.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:55 | 2960907 pods
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Incorrect bob, Obama did sign the NDAA 2012 (which is the one we are speaking of).  Factually correct.

Nevermind it somehow made it to his desk for signature.

But facts are facts.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:01 | 2960929 bobnoxy
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Does it really matter? How different is it from the Patriot Act signed into Bush that this idiot likely said nothing about? Let's face it, this guy hammers Obama for it not for what it is, but to slime Obama for something, anything.

By the way, I've never voted for Obama, just to be clear.

But, to your point, I stand corrected, technically at least. I still think it matters little. McCain and Romney would have signed it too.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:12 | 2960969 pods
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Well to me it does matter.  I hate it when someone is half right.  Half right either means non thinker or half wrong.  To be fair, I have been more than half wrong more times than I can count.  But I will freely admit I am wrong, otherwise I won't learn anything.

Where we are today has very little to do with Obama.  

Of course, roughly 50% of the electorate is irate that somehow this guy got re-elected.  So now is not exactly the time when you have an open and honest discussion.

Everyone (who voted) is very emotional right now.  Either their horse won, or is being smelted into glue as we speak.

I can actually say that this election is the best one of MY adult lifetme.  
I did not vote, and did not vote by choice.  I withdrew my consent.

Fuck em. I don't want an elected king who tells me what to do whether he is a Kenyan (hat tip to you flak) or a Mormon.

Neither one of these guys would abide by the rules set up for them, so they are treasonous bastards.



Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:22 | 2960997 Spastica Rex
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I voted.

For Jill Stein.

I don't care that she lost.

Probably for the best.

She does seem like a nice lady.

edit: My dear old mother literally cried when I told her that I was sorry that Obama won. I also said I was happy that Romney lost, but that didn't seem to help.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:03 | 2962001 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:49 | 2962262 DaveyJones
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I hate em too but I find it funny when people try to lay it all on "the muslim." It's really many people's fault (including our own for being too passive) for why we are where we are. It's a lot of human nature - arrogance, greed,  denial, laziness, corruption,  etc.  But indeed, like all other chapters in history, there are main characters who do extra special things to get the plot moving. In the end, when our children tell us that they are utterly disgusted and disappointed with the world we have handed them, although we may claim one, we won't really have an excuse 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:29 | 2961058 Flakmeister
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    There is a context clause in the rule....

BTW, I didn't vote for BHO either....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:06 | 2961233 bobnoxy
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Please, that bill never would have made it to his desk without most Republicans in Congress signing it first. Where's his outrage with them? This idiot blaming it all on Obama is just more hyper-partisan finger pointing.

I didn't vote either.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:45 | 2961668 Blankenstein
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"hyper-partisan finger pointing"


this from bobnoxy


how hypocritical

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:48 | 2961399 Praetorian Guard
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Patriot Act was written by Joseph Biden in 1995!!! Do research before you spew shit...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:31 | 2961517 bobnoxy
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Really? You mean this Patriot Act;

The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the Patriot Act) is an Act of the U.S. Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001. The title of the act is a ten letter backronym (USA PATRIOT) that stands for Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.[1]

Originally drafted by Bush's justice department. How's that for spewing shit?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 18:50 | 2962470 Praetorian Guard
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Yea, I mean this Patriot Act...


Sort of like how this health care bill was written up YEARS AGO...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:54 | 2961431 Dr. Engali
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That's what people don't understand. The darn thing had to be written and passed for him to sign it.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:52 | 2960894 pods
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Start thinking with your mind, not your heart.

Most of your examples are cherry picked, half truths or innuendo.

If you want to have an actual discussion about things, first turn off Fox News for your material.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2961070 Spastica Rex
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Looks like the vote is for mindlessness and Fox News. Four more years.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:17 | 2960987 10mm
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It's not one,but a collaboration of many.He's no good,sure,but are ills were long ago set into motion.It's just "PEAK"time.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2961038 madcows
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how dare you slander the great uniter

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:48 | 2961684 RKDS
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Gee, I can think of one that ran up $5T in debt and signed the "PATRIOT" Act into law...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:58 | 2961446 El Tuco
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Lenin and Marx didn't have half the resources bummer has and they seemed to have accomplished their goals.

Get in line for Bread and Soap Bitchez.....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:19 | 2960709 derryb
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I doubt he will continue to blame the guy who held office the last four years.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:31 | 2960772 Mad Mohel
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He may just try it and actually convince some rubes of it.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:19 | 2960711 j-dub
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"The Next Four Years Won't Be As Good As The Last."

In other news, the sky is blue.


By 2015, we'll look back at 2012 like it was a dream world

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:21 | 2960722 DaveyJones
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if you want to be a good journalist just repeat that headline every few months

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:01 | 2960935 pods
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Like a weatherman in upstate NY.  Cloudy, cold with a chance of rain.  

Just keep saying "The next four years will be worse than the last 4 years" until we collapse.

I do hope that it is sooner rather than later.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:22 | 2960723 Dr. Engali
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I am not a big person on taxes, but when I saw that all the wealthy areas voted for  this guy it would be sweet justice if he turned around and hit them with a big wealth tax.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:33 | 2960792 fonzannoon
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As a person who is not a big person on taxes, and lives is a mentally challenged state that voted for this guy....I completely agree. Enough is enough. Bring it. I am still stunned that the people I know and believed to have the most basic understanding have shown themselves to be completely inept. My guess is they have again voted in O because they think he will drop the hammer on wall street and spread the wealth. I amlost think the Repubs did not want this one. Thats why they put the Wall Street asshole up there. It was too easy.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2960884 Dr. Engali
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If the republicans wanted to win they wouldn't have screwed over Ron Paul like they did.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:14 | 2961260 knukles
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I'd received an e-mail from a Republican friend this morning complaining about what the world's gonna be like since Romney lost.  I'd told him and a whole bunch of his fellows way early in the process, well before nominations when there was one after another R put forth as a possibility and they were in the "He's/She's Great!!!! routine....
During which time I'd constantly pushed RP and they pooh poohed me.
I made the statement that to nominate anybody else is a vote for Obey.

Here's the text of the e-mail I'd sent in response today.  (BTW, as you well know, I'm a RP/olde style western conservative Barry Goldwater type limited scope states right government person)


Get over it, guys.
It is what it is and only gonna get worse. The Democrats are gonna take this as a Mandate underwritten by the God in Whom they Do Not Believe to increase taxes, welfare, regulations, censorship, spending, reach, wars and associated criminal behavior of the banks and Federal Reserve The Republicans lost because they nominated a fellow who was doomed from the outset (Support of Mitttens' candidacy was a vote to re-elect Obama... I said it then and believe it now.  And prognosticate that's what it will be in the future.)
Mittens was incapable of securing the necessary middle of the road Republican (many folks feel the party deserted them and stayed home) independent (RP etc) and youth vote, both of which were ready to reject the Democrats wholesale.  Instead, the low turnout with an increasingly hostile demographics doomed the election. And a nomination by RP would have not lost a single Republican vote.  The religious right?  Nope   The masses who were going to vote anti-Obama?  Nope  Middle of the road Republicans?  Nope.   Anti gay marriage, abortion, etc?  Nope. 
Nothing would have been lost.  More gained.....  and may have won.
(How do you say politics dominated by special interests?  I knew you could.  Both parties)   The Republicans have come close to becoming irrelevant.
A party of voting against somebody and something.
Which doesn't work. And more than that, what is even more worrisome is the super majority achieved in the CA Senate and House.  The Democrats there are gonna take this as a mandate to raise taxes, increase welfare, regulations, etc., etc., etc.  A doubling down what with what's happened at the Federal level.  Free to create the plutonic people's socialist republic of Kalifornia... for which there is no money to do... but they don't believe that, do they?   Know to where people gonna migrate out of CA? 
Washington and Colorado. 
Lower taxes, less regulation, cheaper cost of living (and now can smoke pot legally.)   At least on the Federal level, the House remains in Republican control as it has the last several years.     Beware the fiscal cliff and money printing from the FED, the continuing bank bailouts (which are ongoing yet today to the tune of Bazillions) and continued ownership of DC by the banks, energy, food and pharma let alone the MIC.   There is no government of, for and by the people.   We are sooooooooooooooo fucked.
But get over it. 
It is what it is and ain't gonna change for the next election unless the Republican wing of the Leviathan One Party changes it's direction back to the Olde Western Style Conservatism of Barry Goldwater and Ron Paul.
  Math:  The New Inconvenient Truth  

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:41 | 2961367 Dr. Engali
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I hope your friends wake up.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:11 | 2961501 DosZap
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Cali deserves exactly what it gets,just as the rest of us do.

You get the government you deserve.After going from?? 15th largest econ in the world, and losing 5 million plus workers, and businesses........they still have not figured out that they MUST change their tactics or IMPLODE.

I just feel for the folks like the majority here,that DO not deserve what they get due to the HUGE inner city populations of FREEBIE recips.

GO to Northern Cali, it's a totally different country,compared to to where the .goober hub is.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:55 | 2961171 booboo
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For the most part, people can live with the idea that they want a government BIG enough to shove a gun in their neighbors face and steal money to apply towards ideas/projects (their own pocket) that they agree with. (Well, this is really how it should be presented to them.) The problem comes when, as one of those dead white guys said, when the government is big enough to take away everything you have. White, black, brown Jew, Christian, Atheist. E V E R Y O N E!


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:14 | 2961261 pods
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This is the point I rail about day after day.  (to many people's chagrin)

Most do not care of the amount of power that the government holds, only who is wielding it.

Both sides are the enemy of liberty.

If public emotion can sway the leviathan to punish select groups, there is no protection when it's gaze falls upon you.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:36 | 2961343 fonzannoon
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Amazingly put.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:52 | 2961422 Dr. Engali
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Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:01 | 2961448 DosZap
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Last I saw on the 2012 Presidential results in Texas over 40% voted for Obama.  I would not be overly confident about Texas.

It's because of TWO things, major leauge population influx from Califagia, and the largest inner cities are like all others in the US now.

Poor,blacks,hispanics, and white trash.

But fear not, last I heard,Texans gets weapons for less than any other state due to 80% of the market being here.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 19:16 | 2962547 NeedtoSecede
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Well-said pods. +1 and green arrows once again.

It reminds me of a quote that I think was attributed to G. Washington where he compares government to fire. Fire can be useful to man, but it can/will just as easily destroy man.

If you play with fire you are going to get burned...

God help us all.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:22 | 2960729 Little John
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I ain't worried. Texas will be free, with a metalic based monetary system, a mercantilist mindset and a government blind to race we will be the shining city on a hill. The rest of the country can wallow self rightously in the keynsian Hell they have chosen.  When it comes down to root hog or die Texans will not drink the Koolaid any more that Germany will.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:26 | 2960751 Gert_B_Frobe
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Want to beat the rush. Getting my passport in line along with visa info to allow me access to Texas.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:35 | 2960800 CommunityStandard
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Nah, nearly 1/3 of Texas is obese.  Just run across the border - they can't catch you.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2960989 El Viejo
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How long before States Attorney Generals sue Corn Syrup mfrs for health care cost recovery??

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:51 | 2961153 knukles
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Just about the time the corn syrup manufacturers cease campaign contributions... sticky wicket, old boy

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:39 | 2960823 Duke Dog
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Born and lived in Texas for most of the last 50 years - you better check back in with Austin if you really believe that crap.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:07 | 2960953 Rapada
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Austin is a mutant city - not representative of the State as a whole.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:55 | 2962292 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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Austin, as in Silicon Valley is moving to Silicon Gulch. Probably the most liberal place outside of Kalifornia.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:44 | 2961379 northerngirl
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Last I saw on the 2012 Presidential results in Texas over 40% voted for Obama.  I would not be overly confident about Texas.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:24 | 2960736 Gert_B_Frobe
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Tax the Rich!!! Rich to be redefined as > $50k

Tackle Global Warming = carbon credits/tax. Hmmm, sounds like that hidden tax will be hitting everyone unless you are protected by the Obama phone.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:24 | 2960738 worbsid
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Does anyone ever think of a steady state economy these days?  Even two percent growth leads to a vertical curve just not so quick as a five percent growth. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:04 | 2962032 blunderdog
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It's a nice idea, primarily because it would destroy the financial industry.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:24 | 2960739 All_Is_Well
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Greece here we come......

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:24 | 2960740 All_Is_Well
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Greece here we come......

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:21 | 2961002 El Viejo
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The US economic structure is totally UNLIKE Greece's.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:27 | 2960741 All_Is_Well
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Like I said.....

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:26 | 2960754 haskelslocal
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Monkey tears.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:33 | 2960785 1000yrdstare
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Texas will get the same treatment South Carolina got when they seceded..


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:36 | 2960807 GeorgeHayduke
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I'd do anything I could to help Texas cede out of the union. No more Texas president! Yeah!!!!!!!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:32 | 2960789 Mad Mohel
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I just want to know how much longer we are going to be saddled with that bastard BS Bernanke.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:35 | 2960799 GeorgeHayduke
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"It is unlikely that Obama will move to the center and be more of a politician with the best interest of the economy at heart."

I know what you mean. All we've been able to choose from for the past few decades is a far-right Republican nutcase or asshole salesman, or a right-leaning, wishy-washy Democrat who sucks corporate butt too. For all the bitching, moaning and whining by the righties here and across the internet, the demonized, Marxist, socialist, communist left they expend so much energy upon is pretty much a myth in this country.

Unions have no power in our government compared to corporations, Environmentalists have no power in our government compared to corporations, citizens have no power in our government compared to corporation.If you can show actual legislation, not written by corporate lobbyists, to the contrary I would be quite happy to see it. If you cannot present such legislation you are caught in your own bullshit mythology yourself or are willfully ignorant of government and history.

I would say most of these writers and analysts are bogged down in their own biases and beliefs instead of looking at the actual situation and reporting from a reality-based position. But I guess that type of story does a better job of selling what they write to their rabidly foaming audience who are caught in their own belief box themselves. Then we wonder why nothing changes for the better.

You may now junk me and set me straight instead of doing your own research. I know it is easier.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:49 | 2960879 ejmoosa
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You should have taken the Red Pill.



Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:54 | 2960901 GeorgeHayduke
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You should do your own research instead of thinking you have it all figured out. You also cannot offer up any rebuttal beyond childish comments either. Denial is a good place to exist for weaker minds.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:22 | 2961010 Flakmeister
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I surmise that the avatar is what is required to beat some sense into some people?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:47 | 2961127 GeorgeHayduke
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Good point Flak, but I prefer that people come to their own realizations. I use the monkeywrench to throw into the cogs of the machine that keeps people willfully and proudly ignorant, like the ones junking me in my initial post.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:05 | 2961231 worbsid
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The wrench in your avitar is a stillson or pipe wrench and completely different from a monkey wrench.  Do your research!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:02 | 2962017 blunderdog
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By "completely different" you mean "almost the same but with the worm on the other side"?

I see what you did there.  Clever.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 18:47 | 2962457 GeorgeHayduke
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Oh my gawd. I am now crushed. How can I go on?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:43 | 2961374 aerojet
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So it's the corporations pushing so hard for gun control that it led the Obama Admin to attempt the whole gun-walking Fast & Furious, guns to cartels debacle?  There was some kind of ideological angle there. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:35 | 2960804 sbenard
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More malaise?

I agree! It's going to be MUCH worse!
Fiscal cliff!
Higher taxes!
Obama's tyranncare!
Debt brick wall by end of 2014!

Okay, it's going to be a calamity!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:38 | 2960816 Tango in the Blight
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At least Obama can correctly claim that he acheives growth...

Growth of the deficit!

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:49 | 2960880 LiesAreTheOnlyTruth
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I had a small biz and shut it down b/c of too many regs and too many taxes.  I was ramping up to reopen and hire 10-20 ppl if Romney won.  Those plans are off now, even though rents are cheap while property taxes still increase, it's not worth the risk of getting put out of business in a couple years by new policies. 

Sorry, as a long time business owner, knowing the risk that can take you down, if revenues falter, I am not willing to invest and I NOW understand Atlas Shrugged ... if, like me, there's just a few hundred thousand people holding off ... then that's a few million jobs that will never occur.

The more the gov't takes from me, the less I want to give them.  I'm not going to work harder, longer and expend increasingly more capital to get less money.

I did it for the first two years of BO, and won't do it again until the environment is more business friendly.  So the next four years will just be more of the same for me and absolutely zero for the people I won't be hiring.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:46 | 2961385 aerojet
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You may understand Atlas Shrugged, but you sure don't understand how the game is played.  First of all, you don't start up anything with your own capital, especially if it has anything to do with "job creation."  You go get a government grant, grease the skids, and schmooze wit the right people (which is hard if you're not a sociopath to be around people who are).  Look at Solyndra for one example.  So you should start up your business, but not one that is economically viable that you will work hard at building up and staking your own fortune on its success.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:59 | 2961450 northerngirl
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I think a lot of small business owners are feeling the same way.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 16:14 | 2961771 RKDS
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"Business friendly," of course, being code for "encouraged to brand 'WELCOME' on the back of all prospective employees, paid for by a government grant."

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:50 | 2960887 U4 eee aaa
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During his first term he said that change was coming. He did not lie. He was speaking code. The change he implied was not the change he and his paymasters were clearly planning. So what does his 'next four years' codespeak mean this time?

I shudder to think

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:27 | 2961301 Harbanger
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I guess we're also going to find out what that "flexibility" he would have after the elections was all about.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:53 | 2960895 adr
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The American people did not vote for four more years of this, blacks and hispanics voted for four more years of handouts from working white people.

A small percentage of rich whites voted for Obama to make sure their money is kept safe.

The greatest lie of the election was that Obama's policies helped the middle class. Sadly too many people believed the bullshit.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2960947 Urban Redneck
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It has nothing to do with skin color, and everything to do with greed and envy- small business owners of all colors need to go Galt, send their employees to the class warfare Nanny State they desire in search of a handout.  The current system is unsustainable so why expend the effort and take the risk of loss for no reward?  Facilitating the enslavement of your fellow citizens  is not doing them or their children a favor. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:48 | 2961395 aerojet
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Oh please, like it or not, the inner cities are not filled to overflowing with multiple generations of poor white trash.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:57 | 2961442 Urban Redneck
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West Virginia sure is

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:01 | 2961459 northerngirl
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That is true and they keep on reproducing.  But, then again anything is easy to do when you do not have to pay for it.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:09 | 2962078 blunderdog
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The multiple generations of poor white trash tend to be in trailer parks.

There are hecka lot more of them than negroes, though, that's for sure. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 16:17 | 2961801 Nick Jihad
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Check your blind spot:  actually, blacks, hispanics and women voted for four more years of handouts from working men. When will men ever get the clue, that the womenfolk are not on their side?

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 12:56 | 2960911 TheObsoleteMan
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This past election's mantra was "Only I can create jobs". Not surprisingly, most voters bought it hook line and sinker. They still believe in the system. They think:" if we can just get the right people in, with the right policies and programs, it can be boom days again". Sorry, but this is not the 1980s, it is very different this time. We have arrived at debt saturation on all levels: sovereign, municipal, commercial and private. It no longer matters how much credit is created or is available. It either can't be serviced or isn't needed. The more the Kenyan tries to make good on his promises of a worker's paradise, the more the private sector will reel. Another problem, is that the Federal gubmint is increasingly becoming our biggest customer and service provider in the economy. I am amazed that all of these Ivy league educated economist can't see this, or if they do, understand it's after effects. There is no leadership today, at least none that the public will have {because he/she must look a certain way, and master the art of pillow talk}.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2960982 crusty curmudgeon
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"That gridlock has resulted in very little progress in providing the fiscal policies necessary to support economic growth."

Ah, I see.  It's the post-2010 House of Representatives that is responsible for the poor state of the US economy.

That's about where I stopped reading.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:36 | 2961081 Count de Money
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Stacy McCain put it like this: "The Democrats are adept at making Republicans proxies for whatever anyone happens to hate: If you hate rich people, Republicans are the party of the rich. If you’re gay, Republicans are the party of homophobes. If you’re female, Republicans are the party of that jerk ex-boyfriend who dumped you because your thighs are too fat."

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this new reality. I've come to the conclusion that the Democrats figured out a long time ago that it's easier to get people to be against something than to be for something else. The reason that Obama won was that he was able to convince his voters that he was against whatever they said the Republicans were for, whether it was true or not.

We are all truly fucked.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:42 | 2961107 Spastica Rex
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Don't homophobes tend to vote Republican?

I'm not a Democrat, so I don't really know.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 13:56 | 2961162 Count de Money
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I don't know any, so I can't really say. According to the Log Cabin Republicans (, 31% of gays vote Republican. Blacks and Hispanics tend to be not down on the whole LBGT thing and they went 90% and 70%, respectively, to the Democrats.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:37 | 2961350 Spastica Rex
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I am Catholic, and I know that many of us tend to the homophobic (we try to be nice about it), and I see that Catholics, as a group, voted for Obama. Hmmm.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:51 | 2961415 Dr. Engali
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Yeah but you're a South Park watching Catholic....that has to count for something.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:03 | 2961467 Spastica Rex
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And I'm not homophobic. Two more things to go to confession for on Saturday.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:53 | 2961424 Harbanger
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About 1/2 the Catholics as a group are hispanic.  Many of the other catholics are catholic the way Soros is a Jew.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:05 | 2961476 Spastica Rex
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So, I suppose if you control for Latinoness and frequency of Mass attendance, most good white Catholics voted for Romney and are homophobic.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:59 | 2961729 Harbanger
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The takers outnumber the makers.  The promise of new freebies and the fear of having old freebies removed is what drove the turnout.  The debt doesn't matter, GDP doesn't matter, taxes don't matter, what you promise to give me is what matters.  People aren't hurting, food stamps, welfare, obamaphone etc. keep the sheep well fed and happy.  They still believe the Govt will save them and they see it working in their own lives.  I don't see any way out except for a collapse and a reset.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 16:26 | 2961833 Spastica Rex
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Time for the makers to take things into their own hands, seems like they have little to lose.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 16:01 | 2961740 Urban Redneck
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The Mohammedans have a Holy Duty to Matthew Shepard the Faggots, yet both the Mohammedans and the Faggots are "welcome" in the Big D tent, and their adherents often go to that tent to receive their voting instructions. It is IMPOSSIBLE to reconcile those those two positions, but yet both political parties claim to have "values".  No, the major Parties have platforms, whose only "value" is the votes that are delivered for the Party candidates.  The inherent conflict of welcoming both Bible Beaters and Hangin' Judges into the other tent is just as pathetic.  There can be no VALUES in politics as long as there are only two large parties which claim to speak for the Citizens.


Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:39 | 2961360 aerojet
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Can we stop saying things like "...puts the economy in a very nasty recession..." as if we ever exited the recession of 2008?  We're four years into an economic collapse buoyed only by monetary easing, which is having less and less of an effect on status quo maintenance. 

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:14 | 2962101 blunderdog
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That's not fair.  You can't blame Obama's policies for causing the recession if it started in '08, so you'd best just keep quiet about that.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 18:12 | 2962325 Count de Money
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Yes, you can blame Obama for the housing mess. His first "job" was to "organize" to get banks to loan out mortgages to people who couldn't afford them.

The meltdown was decades in the making. The WSJ was banging the drum on Fannie and Freddie all the way back into the 90's. Fannie's CEO was Franklin Raines who was Bill Clinton's budget director. In 2003, the Bush people tried to rein them in, but that was stifled by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 11:20 | 2964424 blunderdog
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Well, as long as you never blame any of the bankers who wrote the laws, sure, I can see the logic.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:43 | 2961365 divide_by_zero
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It is also just as unlikely that the Republicans will back down and begin to cooperate with the Senate.

A Senate under Harry Reid that will not even bring the House passed budget to the floor, they have locked in the Porkulus spending ($850B) into the baseline. No deficit reduction can take place iwthout rolling back to at least the 2008 baseline and beyond.

"Obama has already laid the foundation for his next four years of Presidency - more green jobs, tackle global warming, raise taxes on the rich and (create jobs) wealth redistribution for the poor."

Fixed it for ya, creating jobs is so much harder than just paying people to be poor, Green jobs and global warming BS is payback for bundlers.



Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:54 | 2961428 hawk nation
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The republicans should let obama do whatever he wants so the financial system will collapse within the year and then maybe we can reset to what are founding fathers invisioned

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 14:56 | 2961434 DosZap
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The republicans should let obama do whatever he wants so the financial system will collapse within the year and then maybe we can reset to what are founding fathers invisioned


He has been..............for four years.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 15:47 | 2961678 falak pema
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the best news on the political scene in USA : 

The Democrats' Election Victories May Have Killed The Tea Party - Business Insider

Fox News Is Killing The Republican Party - Business Insider 

GOP Implodes After Romney Loss - Business Insider

and especially this : 

Karl Rove's Historically Colossal Waste Of Money - Business Insider

The neo-cons who created this Reaganomics mess eat humble pie.

As thou shalt sow so thou shalt reap...

Nemesis, and I hope it bites deeep into their oligarchical pockets. 

Not that I support the other clique...of Pax Americana hubris...

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:17 | 2962115 blunderdog
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This is the "post-election collapse" of the anti-Obama crowd.

The anti-Dubya crowd had the same "come to Jeebus" experience 8 years ago.

The good news for the Republicans is: if we DO finally burst into flames during Obama's second term, they should finally be able to achieve that "permanent Republican majority" that's been Rove's Holy Grail for 20 years.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 18:00 | 2962309 Spastica Rex
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"The anti-Dubya crowd had the same "come to Jeebus" experience 8 years ago"

My thoughts exactly: same shit, different party.


(those were teeth)

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 18:22 | 2962383 MeelionDollerBogus
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Last 4 years have been a disaster ... next 4 will be worse? Awesome



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