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Obama's Victory Is Very Bullish For This Google Search Query

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The query in question? "Renounce Citizenship"


Simon Black's always interesting insights on this 'event' can be found here.


Perhaps the geographical dispersion of those searches will be insightful, if rather paradoxical...


And by targeted MSA:


And as a bonus, another search query just hit a record: Remington 223


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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:16 | 2964865 JustPrintMoreDuh
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As if they're going to just let you get away ... no escape slaves ... bwahaha!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:23 | 2964886 vast-dom
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from freedom flows equility and welfare, never ever the other way.

all caps bitchez!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:30 | 2964926 resurger
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2964940 TruthInSunshine
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Google immediately forwards all search inquiries over to Stellar Wind datum collection centers in real time for logging & tagging of I.P. addresses.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:39 | 2964958 vast-dom
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scramble your IP. use VPN and/or proxy. tag my fake IP cause it's YOUR RIGHT to NOT BE TRACKED.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:53 | 2965018 MillionDollarBogus_
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Move to France...????

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:08 | 2965101 MillionDollarBogus_
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Same thing happened 8 years ago...

The IP address doing the searches were traced back to Alec Baldwin's computer...

I would think a search for 'offshore blind trust' is just as popular now...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:16 | 2965148 economics9698
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The reason it happened 8 years ago is Bush is the same as Obama.

When the fiat dies it all changes.  Get your guns and food stocks.  Get in physical shape to fight.  One thing about stock brokers and bankers, they are not Chuck Norris. 

If you have the money retire out of country.  Lots of places to disappear to.  


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:27 | 2965245 knukles
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Hey, come on now....
Hypocrites galore deluxe


When Bush was running all the Left Coast Hollywood Uber-Liberals stated unequivocally that if He Won, They Were Leaving America.

And you fuckers lied to us.
You're still here.

I entreat you, please go now....
After all, your sterling little Messiah is following all of Bush's policies and raising your taxes, to boot.

Go, please leave us alone..........

Before the wealth tax fucks you Cadillac Commies over Real Good.
Which you so richly deserve

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:32 | 2965271 redpill
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If you're going to renounce you better do it soon.  Within a few years if they don't ban it entirely they'll make it so prohibitively expensive that it might as well be banned.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:37 | 2965305 Bennie Noakes
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Renouncing your citizenship seems a little radical to me.

Here's an idea: Celebrate Obama's election by buying a ton of coal. Have it delivered to a pit in your yard and then just burn it.

I already do that every year to celebrate Earth Day.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:56 | 2965395 knukles
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And prime it with a good drenching of leaded hi octane ethyl


And just for the pinnacle of Political Correctness, invite the poor minority single parent children from the wrong side of the tracks to roast marshmallows and hot dogs over the pristine flames.


(I am having trouble holding it all together ....
This is seriously fucked up...)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:09 | 2965480 Bubble
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Part of me is actually starting to think O'Bama is the anti-Christ. If that helps?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:47 | 2965666 Cman5000
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@ Bubble i hear what your saying on the anti -christ.But i would think the anti-christ wouldn't need a teleprompter and would more than likely speak a number of languages. I say let it burn if the 47% want this have it.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:57 | 2965707 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Petreaus just resigned.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:00 | 2965727 Everybodys All ...
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He just DSK'd

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 23:41 | 2967074 IBelieveInMagic
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Folks, don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:03 | 2965740 Atlasshruggedme
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Big fan of Atlas Shrugged... pretty sure thats what the oil guy did :-)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:16 | 2965521 kaiserhoff
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Nice catch, Tylers.  I resemble this remark.  Actually spent the last two days outlining a bug out from by bug out, just in case...

I've always wanted to see Bali.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 01:29 | 2967238 Pemaquid
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And make sure it's real close to your well.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:53 | 2965396 Flakmeister
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IIRC, its $375 a ton delivered here, min. 4 tons....

Buddy of mine burns it, he "bought" offset credits by not having kids....

Do you burn your garbage in the same pit?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:00 | 2965438 Bennie Noakes
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Only $100/ton where I am. There's a guy about 15 miles down the road with a hillside pretty much made of it. High sulfur stuff. The utilities don't want it.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:06 | 2965469 Flakmeister
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I am referring to good anthracite from PA... not sure of sulfur content, but it has to be low....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:09 | 2965485 James_Cole
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Would love to hear which countries all these zh readers will be immigrating to.

I hear many countries are dying to get their hands on unemployed conspiracy theorists who think BO is a socialist and that burning tonnes of coal in your "yard" is a way to get back at the system.

The world is your oyster! Quick, renounce renounce renounce! 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:22 | 2965548 Flakmeister
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:40 | 2965630 blunderdog
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If they go to Gaza, they won't need to apply for citizenship anywhere.  Just become completely stateless.

That's gotta be a better approach than trying to become a taxpayer for some other country.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:42 | 2965648 saveandsound
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"There were between 222-235 renunciants in 2008, between 731-743 in 2009, and about 1485 in 2010;[20][21] In 2011, there were 1781 renunciants.[22]"


says the wikipedia:


On the other hand the US has got lots of immigrants making up the loss.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:52 | 2965692 Flakmeister
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Umm... almost tracks like  the Baby boom bulge passing through the python...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:26 | 2965570 The_Dude
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The USSA Roach Motel...We let anyone in but nobody is getting out!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:59 | 2965720 Uber Vandal
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@ redpill:

Since 2008, it has become expensive:

This article below shows the increasing amount of people renouncing US citizenship since 2005.

(Hint: 2005 = 712, 2011 = 1,781)



Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:31 | 2966490 Urban Redneck
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Let's see, where and when have we heard this before...


And those are just the ACTIVE renunciations, where the person a bought the bullet and paid the absurd 'exit tax'. (which now also applies to exiting green card holders which is why only retards and criminals want US residence visas)


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2967939 AgShaman
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:01 | 2965443 HappyCamper
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+10, knukles

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:56 | 2966761 Sincerely Human
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Bullies (psychopaths) r all around, where to run? Plus, its my home. I'm originally from very far away, I've lived all over to end up here, and the pitch is same, appeals to apathy, fear, greed, herd symptoms... & of course violence in one form or another

Be sure that to round you out & brand you they tell you to organize to participate in the system you distrust (for screwing Humanity as long as It's been), in order to work through it, in order to free your self from their "management &  protection service"... While at the same time provide acknowledgement, thus legitimacy to the imposed values circumstances system of oppression which you r trying to topple...

All been said, totalitarian tyranny...

Could really use some feed back for huh.. something from Montreal

Don't know much about computer mumbo jumbo...
But, please consider the method & the proposed version of the instrument Individual Human Declaration

If one is a slave among slaves, wouldn't freedom entail a path through a state of being a prisoner AMONG prisoners? And then, can a Human ever NOT be free? I mean a comunity of REAL Humans...

Organization? I dunno...

Individual, that's just a matter of sincere personal priority

Anyhow! LOVE ZEROHEDGE since 2009, second ever comment, didn't do this the first time, so....


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:56 | 2966762 Sincerely Human
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Bullies (psychopaths) r all around, where to run? Plus, its my home. I'm originally from very far away, I've lived all over to end up here, and the pitch is same, appeals to apathy, fear, greed, herd symptoms... & of course violence in one form or another

Be sure that to round you out & brand you they tell you to organize to participate in the system you distrust (for screwing Humanity as long as It's been), in order to work through it, in order to free your self from their "management &  protection service"... While at the same time provide acknowledgement, thus legitimacy to the imposed values circumstances system of oppression which you r trying to topple...

All been said, totalitarian tyranny...

Could really use some feed back for huh.. something from Montreal

Don't know much about computer mumbo jumbo...
But, please consider the method & the proposed version of the instrument Individual Human Declaration

If one is a slave among slaves, wouldn't freedom entail a path through a state of being a prisoner AMONG prisoners? And then, can a Human ever NOT be free? I mean a comunity of REAL Humans...

Organization? I dunno...

Individual, that's just a matter of sincere personal priority

Anyhow! LOVE ZEROHEDGE since 2009, second ever comment, didn't do this the first time, so....


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:40 | 2965325 Darth Mul
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You don't think you can be tracked through a proxy?






Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:07 | 2965476 Darth Mul
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And Mossad.  Ole Sergei met with the Israelis to hep them.  It's about fighting terrorism of course, nothing to worry about.

Hey - all my searches for amputee porn were done strictly for research purposes.

There may have been one, perhaps two chubbs... 

Anyway - fun fact - President Clinton, who wouldn't appoint you if you had foreskin given who backed him {see 'the kosher kitchen'} was bugged by Mossad.  Yep - the Israelis bugged the fucking Oval Office. 


Think it ain't bugged now?


No one wants to be one of the bad guys - you don't want to be a filthy racist or Jew hater... and this moral compass is blinding you to the fact that a substantial minority of Jews put Israel and fellow Jews first, will lie and cheat and steal and cry 'antisemite' to cover their actions, and have largely hijacked - explicitly and 'tacitly' much of of the executive branch, and congress, and now the intelligence agencies.

My God, - the Israel First crowd, to start off Obama's administration, blocks the appointment of Chas Freeman because... wait for it... Freeman notes that a lot of what Israel does is illegal and harmful to America's interest.

I, like most of you, used to think only crazy assholes subscribed to the idea we have a 'zionist occupation government.'  Now, I appreciate that it takes massive brainwashing to get people to not see what is patently obvious by conflating fears/rejection of 'antisemitism' with noting, say, that most of the people delivering the intel from the OSP were right wing neocon Jews.


It takes a sort of entrenched intellectual retardation to not wonder why, with 2% of the population, Jews head the fed/fomc, the sec, fdic, cftc, cbo, office of budget and management, national economic council, and council of economic advisors... and have generally had substantial over-influence at the World Bank and IMF and, I'll presume, the ECB.


With Jewish people being 2% of the country, and many with primary loyalty to Israel and fellow Jews in other countries... how is it that their basically heading all the major federal agencies overseeing banking and finance isn't a topic of discussion? 


It should go without saying that I don't mean to blanket-villify Jews, but neocons like Perle Feither Wurmser Wolfiwitx and Cohen were... fucking Jewish and acted out of dual loyalty!


And the sayanim have endangered this country more than anyone on here appreciates.  In a few years some of our ships might be sunk by missiles with technology stolen by Israel and sold to the Chinese.  China and North Korea likely already have Patriot missiles sent to them by Israel via Finland....   Israel knows, as a good parasite, that the American Empire is in decline and prepares to leap onto the Chinese dog.


The Chinese do not yet grasp what this means.  That Talmudic Zionism really, really is evil, racist, and megalomaniacal.


Are people that fucking afraid of the 'anti=semite' smear, as if such dominance by a 2% minority group isn't statistically aberrent at the least?


Tyler - any change of an article on that?


We're running out of time.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:48 | 2965674 BurgundianRon
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If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one quarter of one percent of the human race.  It suggests a nebulous puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way.  Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of.  He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine and abstruse learning are also very out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.  He has made a marvelous fight in this world in all ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself and be excused for it.  The Egyptians, the Babylonians and the Persians rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greeks and Romans followed and made a vast noise, and they were gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, and have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, survived them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmaties, of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert but aggressive mind.  All things are mortal but the Jews; all other forces pass, but he remains.  What is the secret of his immortality?

--Mark Twain, September 1897

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:41 | 2965974 Darth Mul
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It's a good effort at obfuscation.


But it's beside the point.


You see, I'm not arguing that "The Jews" should go away or suffer any harm.  I'm arguing that right-wing/neocon Jews have largely hijacked American government and foreign policy and intelligence, and this simply isn't good for the US itself.


So, why is it you think quoting Clemens, who managed to pile error on error in a few paragraphs, is germane?


A:  You don't.  You've been taught, as a godo hasbara troll, to convert all arguments and discussions to 'racism is bad' - the hitler card.




By the way, I think the Persians and Egyptians and Greeks are still around. and they are older, richer cultures, I daresay.

As to the history of success and survival - the Jews were largely left alone in various Western countries where they acted as a tribal unit across borders and avoided manual work, largely, and went heavily into banking.


It also helps to have 2 sets of earth-bound morality - one for the tribe and one for others.  Antisemitic canard, like any stereotype - have a basis in some fact.


You might check this out:

I know most people are too stupid to separate anti-Zionist Control of Government arguments from some irrational, global antipathy to Jewish people. 


I'm not going to coddle these people - the dumb, or the purposefully deceptive.


Send smarter trolls.


p.s. Jews can commit crimes.  Israeli Jews were deeply involved in running 9/11 and military intelligence and most intelligent researchers know it.


How long do you think flinging 'anti-semite' at the problem is going to work?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:09 | 2966483 BurgundianRon
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I admire your tenacity. However, there was no attempt at obfuscation. I merely offered a philisophical rebuttal to your post. Further, because an individual may post infrequently does not make them a troll. I have come to ZH for years to read posts of differing opinions. Call it a quest for wisdom. I actually don't disagree with your comment. There are indeed extreme right wing zionist Jews (and non-jew zionists), here in America, whom would place Israel a priority over the US. They are the minority however, as they are in Israel. The reason I posted a 100 year old passage was to demonstrate that the power and influence of the jews, perceived or real, has been pondered by thinkers for millennia. 

You are so sure their influence is a negative for our country. I beleive the Mark Twain passage requires one to think about that assertion.

Your beliefs are firm and I don't want to change them. With that said, most of our beliefs are not based in truth or science. They are based on selective filtering of information, emotion and experience. The search for truth is all I seek. My beliefs are as flawed as yours. If you took my post as an accusation of anti-semitism, I apologize for the offense. 

PS - Never heard of hasbara before - which is why I come to ZH!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:29 | 2965897 Svener
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No problem, just stay off our roads, get your own army, pay us back for teaching you to read and write, oh pay us back for all that research that went into developing many of the products you use today; you get the picture. Move to somalia and we'll be happy to give you that renunciation. Bye bye,have a wonderful life in Somalia.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:30 | 2965593 Matt
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Pre? it looks like people didn't start searching until election day.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:47 | 2964987 Svendblaaskaeg
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the dream is over, farewell welfare

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:52 | 2965006 forwardho
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Vast- In general I don't approve of all "capitals"post, but Goddamm if I don't agree with your every sentiment.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:48 | 2965375 Unholy Dalliance
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Yes, and illiterate to boot It's (it is) 'its (belonging to it) insidious plan', dummy!!!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 05:16 | 2967392 GlobalCtzn
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One minor grammatical error does not make one 'illiterate' any more than your misuse of the word 'illiterate' makes you a total moron.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:25 | 2964904 LongSoupLine
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This must be the "Change" part.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:05 | 2965093 howenlink
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I just did my part and googled "renounce citizenship".

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:31 | 2964914 slaughterer
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Renounce citizenship.  Done that.  No more loot left for Americans anyhow.  USA sucks from now on.   The gov only wants your money.  And to spy on ya with drones and Silicon-valley-produced cyber-surveillance.  Get out while the going is possible.  Get gold, and a kalaschnikov, and get out.  It is the only way now.  

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:30 | 2965256 OpenEyes
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Renounce your citizenship?  Sure, no problem at all, it's as easy as redeeming those gold ETF shares for bullion.  Let's get started shall we?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:33 | 2965278 fuu
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Are you being serious?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:52 | 2965389 malikai
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I will not renounce my citizenship. Because I still have hope that some day after all this is finished my country will emerge. When that happens I plan to return to help rebuild, if I survive.

Besides, no matter where I live or what passport I carry, I am and always will be an American.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:30 | 2965594 Agent P
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I'm staying....hell, I haven't even left Illinois yet.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:27 | 2965892 malikai
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Even if you stay in the states, get the hell out of the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:42 | 2965338 GOSPLAN HERO
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Costa Rica?



Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:32 | 2966381 SilverDOG
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If you are going, skip 95% of the pollution, and drop below the equator.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:03 | 2965454 JPM Hater001
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I foresee a cottage industry in Continental Sovereign wealth extraction.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:16 | 2965813 bobnoxy
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Wow, wierd that eight of those states went Obama's way, and now they're looking to leave because he won?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:16 | 2964866 Flakmeister
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Oh my, a few rich people are having a tantrum....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:49 | 2964997 Svendblaaskaeg
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"Oh my, a few rich people are having a tantrum"

more welfare for you then, right hippie?


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:22 | 2965212 prains
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more welfare for the banks is what you meant XXYsven

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:14 | 2965151 Blankenstein
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Yep, just like all the rich actors were having a tantrum in 2004


The knife cuts both ways partisan.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:30 | 2965258 Flakmeister
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Go fuck yourself...

For the record, I did not vote for BHO....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:49 | 2965379 tmosley
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Wrote in Ba'al, did you?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:57 | 2965423 Flakmeister
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I see you completed a eubonics course while you were gone....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:46 | 2966573 akak
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Wrote in Ba'al, did you?

Well, he tried, but as the poll workers could not read Canaanite Phoenician script, they disqualified and threw away his ballot.

Beside, Ba'al had not registered as an official write-in candidate anyway.  When it comes to the hopelessly corrupt and restricted two-party system, even the gods don't stand a chance.

(But ironically, none of that stopped the average American voter from casting their ballot for Baa-baa-baa-ba'al).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 08:17 | 2967442 Disenchanted
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Mammon/Moloch 2016!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:20 | 2965846 Blankenstein
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Nice Flake.  Did I hit a nerve?   


Your devisive partisanism is glaringly evident.  


 "I did not vote for BHO.."


Nice try at legitimizing your paid trolling.  



Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:55 | 2966250 Flakmeister
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This campaign and the previous cycle the Repugs had a monopoly on bullshit, in the past it has been vice versa...And that is why I cut them no slack...

Seriously, the best that the Repubs could come up with was Romney? Challenged by Perry? Bachmann? Cain? Santorum? Last but almost least, Newt...

A field of candidates like the above smells like a party on the verge of internal collapse...

Sorry, RP was never a player... Nice guy, but a snowballs chance in hell of gettting the nomination....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 21:21 | 2966821 Blankenstein
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Yes Yawn...

This is an attempt to shroud the blue team mantra in a more palatable cloak.

Yes the Repubs had a terrible roster of candidates and Paul didn't have a chance because the old party bosses weren't going to allow it.  But to say they have a monopoly on the bullshit?  Obama has had four years to right the ship, but yet no prosecutions of the Wall Street bandits that brought on the financial crisis and another 5 trillion dollars added the national debt. Don't forget the signing of NDAA on December 26 and the administration full of ex-goldmanites.  Neither side is really serious about saving our country and future generations from the crushing level of debt our country has accumulated.  There is no monopoly, just collusion.  


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 10:15 | 2967547 Flakmeister
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And do you think for a moment that Mittens et al. would do anything about the above unless there was a partisan basis for it??

Sorry, any political party that engages in wholesale denial of science will not cut with me... When they change tack, we'll talk...

The Repubs are/were in complete denial of reality, whether it be polls, AGW or what have you... e.g. Cranky old tea partiers wanting a $1 worth of benefits for .20...

And BHO did not earn my vote, but I will say unequivacably that he was the lesser of two evils...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:59 | 2965433 Cathartes Aura
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the "rich" have homes in various domiciles to avoid taxes, etc.

the rest of the googl'rs will drop their plans once they realise they'll need a passport to leave Whoville,

something they've never done in their tiny tiny lives. . .

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:40 | 2965634 chet
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Hope the door doesn't hit their ass on the way out.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:35 | 2966551 Urban Redneck
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said the Warsaw Jew in the summer of 1940...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:16 | 2964867 midtowng
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These are the same people who were saying "good riddence" to liberals upset at Bush's 2004 victory.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:25 | 2964902 Ignatius
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As if Obamney or Robama are the source of the problem... sheesh.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:46 | 2966090 Ag Tex
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This past election was similar to a 1970s professional wrestling match.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:49 | 2966744 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Bobo Brazil vs. Johnny Powers

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:44 | 2964947 Flakmeister
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Waiting 8 years to see Karl Rove doing the whole Kubler-Ross thingie in 30 minutes was almost worth it...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:41 | 2965335 Charles Bishop ...
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  come on--it was absolutely worth it-- I made popcorn.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:09 | 2965759 Miffed Microbio...
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Those people in 2004 were leaving due to Ideological differences. I think people today are contemplating escape for sheer survival. I can relate. I really am questioning our ability to survive in this new America. We have cut dramatically in the last 4 years to stay solvent and not incurring debt. We have very little fat left now. Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:40 | 2966562 Parrotile
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That seems a very familiar tale from former colleagues who moved to the USA over a decade ago - they would certainly have fallen in to the "Upper Middle Class" bracket, and at the time were enjoying a far better overall standard of living (even with the higher medical expenses from just day-to-day minor accidents and injuries).

Now - everyone's "doing it Tough" - most have downsized properties, sold off their "Big Boys' Toys", and given up even modest memberships of clubs / groups, and these people are far from unqualified (three Ph.D. (relevant), one Sc.D. (relevant - former full Professor in the UK). Their spending patterns have collapsed, so the businesses they were supporting will be feeling the pinch too, which is hardly supportive of the "Small Business Led" recovery everyone really needs.

The Prof has started moves to rescind his Green Card and return to the UK or more likely head south to Australia (Ho Ho!), whilst the other three Families are "considering their options". Many of their workmates are thinking along the same lines, with comments frequently prefaced with "Now that Obama's been re-elected . . . (something bad is sure to happen)!!

Interesting times ahead I suspect.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:19 | 2964874 EscapeKey
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Remind me again where they'll go? Just about the entire western world has a higher level of government spending as part of GDP. Hell, here in the UK, government spending is about 53% (!)

And don't get me started on health care and gay marriage...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:37 | 2964948 tmosley
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To some sunny place to lay down on the beach and watch the world burn.  

IE, they aren't going someplace to work, or at least, not to work in the sense that they will trade their labor for fiat currency.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:31 | 2965265 Flakmeister
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How exactly does that change things as they currently stand?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:55 | 2965405 tmosley
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You remind me of the Clown from Spawn.  "How come we always get the idiots?"

Because only a fucking retard would worship death, obviously.

To humor your stupidity, what do you think would happen to YOU when YOUR boss shuts down the business and takes his money to go relax in some tropical paradise?  You just going to keep working in an empty room with no electricity, materials, or clients?  Then, I guess that wouldn't be much different for you.  It'd be better for the rest of us, as you wouldn't have access to the internet to spread your message of death.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:58 | 2965431 Flakmeister
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That dog don't hunt...

Now run along before I taunt you a second time...

PS The trick is to be your own boss...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:06 | 2965471 buzzsaw99
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My boss, LMAO!! I got yer boss right here buddy. :grabs crotch:

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:01 | 2966065 Mad Mohel
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Fuckin awesome! ^

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:39 | 2964956 bank guy in Brussels
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The main important reason why life is better outside of America because of the corrupt and brutal American courts, police and prison system, the US judges bribed by the big players

The US jails 2.3 million people - 25% of all global prisoners, in the biggest-ever slave labour gulag - 1 out of every 40 working age US males is behind bars RIGHT NOW ... with US prisons run for profit

There is almost no one in jail in Europe - 1 person out of 1000 - It is really HARD to go to jail in Continental Europe, wrongful jailings are very, very rare - there is little fear here of courts, police, or lawyers

And oddly enough your personal assets are much safer here under EU 'socialism'. We don't have the kind of customer asset confiscations like the US has with MF Global, Peregrine Financial, and Sentinel, where the bank-bribed US judges totally slam and defraud the victims

Not to mention the US lawyers always stealing small business owners' assets, people's property in divorce cases etc.

Around the world even many various dictators hardly jail anybody compared to America ... whereas every American seems terrified of US courts and lawyers and police

The better legal climate alone, makes Europe a paradise by comparison

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:48 | 2964991 slaughterer
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bak guy in Brussel, I guess I agree: I have seen multiple legal climate incompetence in Europe: failure to punish glaring Ponzi schemes that have ripped off tens of thousands Europeans, rampant criminal activity throughout Europe completely ignored.   My only question: Is this supposed to be good for anyone but the Euro-criminals?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:37 | 2965619 Matt
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Compared to run-away mass imprisonment of white collar criminals in America? Those tens of thousands in NYC locked away for 20 years for trafficking in unregulated derivatives?

Maybe comparing imprisonment for similar crimes would be a better place to start.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:51 | 2966595 Parrotile
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As long as they remain members of the "Ruling Elite Class" don't hold your breath . . .

By ANY civilised standards, the US "Privatised For Profit Prisons" MUST be a modern day example of slave labour.

1. The "workers" are completely captive,

2. The management scheme is entirely discipline - driven, with rapid and "effective" dispensation of punishment for transgressions,

3. The "workers" certainly do NOT get a "share" of profits - they get a standard hourly rate, and "discipline" if they are perceived to underperform,

4. Prisons are regarded by the Private Security conglomerates as VERY good business. I wonder why . . . . .

Mind you they DO have access to free health and dental care, but in the good old days of slavery, the slave's owners were inclidned to look after their "investment" too - to maximise ROI.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:53 | 2965010 EscapeKey
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I don't disagree with any of that, but usually I see these "threats" in comments which also very frequently include a number of the following words: "Obama, socialist, taxes, gay marriage, marxist, welfare..."

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:59 | 2965047 slaughterer
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If Obama is a socialist (debatable), then (along with the military-technological complex and hardliner enforcement system in the USA) he is a HARD socialist.  Plenty of SOFT socialist countries to be an unpunished CRIMINAL in in the world.  There are literally a thousand Madoff-type Ponzi scammers in SOFT socialist countries drinking 1982 Lafitte with their daily white truffel and Wagyo filet breakfasts, watching the money roll in.  

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:34 | 2965285 Flakmeister
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FWIW, a congent analysis but those softies are getting their pound of flesh...

Props on getting a good vintage, however the '82s are getting very long in the tooth, next up 1990....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:44 | 2965659 slaughterer
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You missed 1986 in between...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 21:04 | 2966771 Flakmeister
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'86 was ok. more so in the Libournais, i.e Pomerol.... 85 in Burgandy was solid but not in Bordeaux...

The French refer to '88, '89 and '90 as The Holy Trinity with '90 being the best year since '61 and '45..

After that '95, 00, 05 stick out but are not anywhere the equal of 90...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:10 | 2965123 Totentänzerlied
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"The better legal climate alone, makes Europe a paradise by comparison"

Another Eurotopian stooge. Peasants in glass houses...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:45 | 2966576 Urban Redneck
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Of course Belgium is a criminal pervert's paradise, why else would the EU have setup shop there?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 21:02 | 2966776 Flakmeister
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You clearly have never eaten at Chez Leon...

Moules Frites for lunch is the best deal....

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:20 | 2967129 Urban Redneck
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Thanks, next time I descend into the bowels of hell, I can eat least well (the seafood and steak tartare aren't always the best up here)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:31 | 2965264 Itch
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That’s surely not the main reason life is better outside America? What about all the rabble-rousers, the shit-stirrers, the absurd theatrical charlatans, kooks, the bible thumping moralisers and manipulators? The dangerous patriotism, the fascist ignorance and the glorifying of lies, every opinion polarized 180° by reckless and hateful fools afraid of the slightest hint of moderation because it will shed light on what spoilt greedy murderous fat fucking miserable babies they are? The country that never shuts its loud mouth screaming about its freedom, yet that is the only thing that it cant handle. America makes the best case possible to avoid “freedom” at all costs.

“America went from barbarism to decadence without the intermittent phase of civility” …seriously, give her a wild birth while she disintegrates.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:42 | 2965981 Cathartes Aura
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lol @ gendering a fiction like "nation"

as to "her wild birth" yeah, that's what happens when you force a pregnancy to dis-integration. . .

but I agree 101% with your descriptives, +1 even if it doesn't mean a thing. . .

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:43 | 2965356 MachoMan
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Not to mention the US lawyers always stealing small business owners' assets, people's property in divorce cases etc.

You realize that a substantial portion of the public policy, common law, and legal framework of the american court system was borrowed from europe, right?  Are you trying to tell us that in a european divorce, there isn't an arbiter to determine which spouse receives particular marital property?  Or that small business owners in europe don't face lawsuit for a myriad of reasons?  Or that small business owners don't have their own attorneys?

whereas every American seems terrified of US courts and lawyers and police.

Eh, no...  who do you think gets all these folks their disability payments?  Keeps them away from police custody?  Keeps the banks from foreclosing?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:01 | 2966619 Parrotile
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You really think the home of the "No Win No Fee" model of litigation is a better place to run a business than almost anywhere else?????

"Oh, I've just spilt an OBVIOUSLY HOT coffee in my lap - because of my clumsiness. I'll sue for a million bucks - BECAUSE I CAN!" And they DID.

And that's why you HAVE to have ridiculous levels of "Health and Safety" bureacracy - ' cause in the US of A, you are bombarded from EVERY media outlet / orifice with lawyers offering to sue on your behalf.

Terrible mindset.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 00:08 | 2967114 MachoMan
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Actually, it's the only way to curb incredibly dangerous behavior and products.  I actually encourage anyone who uses the mcdonalds case as an example of the things wrong with the american system to actually go research the case instead of repeating MSM talking points.  Aside from the award being reduced by the judge (and the parties settling the matter for a confidential sum), the facts of the case simply warranted a judgment in favor of the customer...  I'm sorry, but the jury got it right (insofar as deciding the winner; which juries tend to do incredibly well somehow...  it's an enigma).  Here is a good place to start: .  [note: the jury awarded her $160k...  the rest were punitives (which juries tend to not take lightly btw)]

You also seem to have a rudimentary misunderstanding of the legal system.  The deciding factor in this case was CASE LAW, not "health and safety" bureaucracy.  Health and safety bureaucracy is merely to implement barriers to entry and help government mandated monopolies.  The courts actually use different standards...  (the root of which are centuries old).

And contingency fees are only part of the possible payment for representation.  It allows people who do not have any means an opportunity to have their day in court just like more privileged people who could afford to pay an hourly fee.  You do want equal access to courts, right?  [note: lawyers tend to not bring cases on contingency unless they're going to win or stand a substantial chance of winning; as a result, frivolous suits tend to be weeded out on the front end]. 

I'll make a wager with you.  As the amount of business in america dwindles, the amount of lawsuits will likewise follow (it's already happened, btw).  [study this cause and effect, it's easy to get it backwards].

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:44 | 2965359 Charles Bishop ...
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Whiny-ass fucks just realized their litttle fascist dream has fallen apart , and NOW they don't want to play anymore?They bet on the wrong goddamn horse; tear up your ticket until you can afford to come back to Preakness, ya pussies.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:19 | 2964876 DoChenRollingBearing
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Peru, putaz!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:41 | 2965637 Matt
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Based on that Corruption Perception Index, Chile and Uruguay look like better options by a longshot.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:59 | 2965713 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1


My own personal circumstances point me to Peru.  YES, various indices suggest that Uruguay & Chile are good (probably better if you have no connections to or in Peru) candidates as well.  I should have pointed that out in my comment.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:19 | 2964878 Killtruck
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That looks like a gold-type bubble!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:20 | 2964879 toady
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Good riddance

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:23 | 2964893 aint no fortuna...
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...and don't let the door hit you in your fat asses on the way out

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:48 | 2966589 Urban Redneck
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said the Warsaw Jew in the summer of 1940...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:41 | 2965330 buzzsaw99
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No shit, leave already.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:20 | 2964880 TeamDepends
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Hey Dianne Feinswine:  Why don't YOU go door to door collecting guns instead of sending thousands of young men to their death.  Fucking cowards all....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:48 | 2964929 TeamDepends
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Dayyummn, wouldn't want to meet that in a dark alley.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:45 | 2965362 machineh
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Bitch is just there to collect Kali's new 13.3% top marginal tax rate (Prop 30).

'Do I look like Big Govt to you?'

'Does this large magazine make me look fat?'

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:24 | 2965225 NotApplicable
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LOL, finger on the trigger.

Ok, I agree. Somebody take her gun!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:24 | 2965556 JohnG
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No shit.  I see this at the range all the time.  First time, I pull them to the side and politely give them a card....always loaded, never cover if you dont want it dead, no trigger, what's behind target....

They do it again and they get a less polite "MUZZLE" or "TRIGGER."

The third time, I leave.  Win't have thier negligent discharge end up with a bullet im my spine.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:47 | 2965663 Agent P
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"Don't worry, I safety checked it.  See it's perfectly saf..."


"Hmmm...well, it appears we have a job opening for a new cue card holder.  Please see my assistant if you're interested.  She's standing right over ther..."


"It appears we now have an assistant position open as well."

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:11 | 2966312 Overfed
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If I could have just one wish, it would be that she would put the muzzle of that mutherfukker in her mouth and pull the trigger.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:22 | 2964881 FiatFapper
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It would be even more interesting to see what percentage of A1 demographics used this search term.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:21 | 2964882 francis_sawyer
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This ties in nicely with the "Colonize the Moon" article from this morning...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:21 | 2964883 toomanyfakecons...
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I'd like to see the search trends for ".223 Remington". My local guns shops told me to buy now or forever hold my piece.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:59 | 2965432 MachoMan
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Your gun store gave you bad advice.  You need to buy an AR chambered in 5.56x45...  military surplus ammo is your buddy.  [it will shoot .223 as well].

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:01 | 2965733 Matt
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Depends what kind of surplus, you don't want any corrosive crap.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:13 | 2965779 MachoMan
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much more of an issue with ruskie calibers than nato calibers...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:21 | 2964884 Flakmeister
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I do believe I just witnessed a post being censored on ZH...

It must have have been pretty despicable....

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:37 | 2964950 toady
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I saw that...

An OT, long post in the first comment position.

I usually skip any OT posts, but a quick glance said it was about Michigan, and I have a bug-out location out in the deep, dark, woods of Michigan, so I was going to go back and read it.

POOF! ...and it's gone.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:47 | 2964990 bank guy in Brussels
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It was a bit long ... a disturbing story warning there was a new criminal scam in America:

A rapist-type waits on a country road, baiting women drivers with an abandoned car seat with a baby-blanket on it, so it appears there might be a baby. Woman stops, criminal assaults her.

Sad if it was true ...

A beautiful thing about America and Canada is the chance to travel those long, scenic, empty country roads ... but clearly can be a bit frightening too ...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:16 | 2965140 Totentänzerlied
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That "new" scam has been going since Roman times at least, only without the car-seat (i.e. it's a myth).

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:49 | 2966021 Cathartes Aura
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Man Impersonates Officer to Sexually Assault Woman

Police are seeking your help to identify a man who posed as a police officer to stop a female driver. He ordered her out of the car and handcuffed her, drove her to a secluded area and sexually assaulted her. Do you know this man?

the "baby seat" is most likely the latest variant, but yeah, this has been going on for a long time.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:55 | 2966038 akak
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Personally, I am infinitely more concerned about the sociopaths who masquerade as our so-called benefactors, i.e. government.  Virtually EVERYONE is their victim.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:04 | 2966066 Cathartes Aura
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*curses*  foiled by the pirate!! locked out of the post. . .

I had heard of these incidents for years now, mostly fake police on highways - so I just pulled up a random link to use, but turns out it may be false - anyhow, here's a better story link,

There are scores of other incidents. In New York City, a man posing as a police officer forced his way into an apartment to rape the woman who lived inside. In California a guy on a bicycle with handcuffs robbed pedestrians. Officer impersonation is a nationwide crime that has flourished in recent years, with brazen criminals sometimes going to great lengths to pull off their scams. A man on Long Island, for instance, was recently sentenced for running a virtual one-man police department. He had a car with sirens and a fake police station where he handcuffed his victims to a chair.

and yes, I agree, the sociopaths in gov't are creating more victims daily. . . why trust any of them?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:46 | 2964971 iDealMeat
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It was me..   and it was this..    bounced out of pole position bitchez..


My Apologies for the OT:  Got some spam from my mom this morning..
Could be something or it could be nothing.

Stay safe folks,  Happy Friday.



While driving on a rural end of the roadway on Thursday morning, I saw an infant car seat on the side of the road with a blanket draped over it.
For whatever reason, I did not stop, even though I had all kinds of thoughts running through my head. But when I got to my destination, I called the Canton PD and they were going to check it out. But, this is what the Police advised even before they went out there to check....

"There are several things to be aware of ... Gangs and thieves are now plotting different ways to get a person (mostly women) to stop their vehicle and get out of the car.

"There is a gang initiation reported by the local Police Department where gangs are placing a car seat by the road...with a fake baby in it....waiting for a woman, of course, to stop and check on the abandoned baby.

"Note that the location of this car seat is usually beside a wooded or grassy (field) area and the person -- woman -- will be dragged into the woods, beaten and raped, and usually left for dead. If it's a man, they're usually beaten and robbed and maybe left for dead, too.





Please talk to your loved ones about this. This is a new tactic being used. Please be safe.

Some knew about the red light on cars, but not Dialing 112.
It was about 1:00 p.m. In the afternoon, and Lauren was driving to visit a friend. An UNMARKED police car pulled up behind her and put his lights on. Lauren's parents have always told her to never pull over for an unmarked car on the side of the road, but rather to wait until they get to a gas station, etc.

Lauren had actually listened to her parents advice, and promptly called,112 on her cell phone to tell the police dispatcher that she would not pull over right away. She proceeded to tell the dispatcher that there was an unmarked police car with a flashing red light on his rooftop behind her. The dispatcher checked to see if there were police cars where she was and there weren't, and he told her to keep driving, remain calm and that he had back up already on the way.

Ten minutes later 4 cop cars surrounded her and the unmarked car behind her. One policeman went to her side and the others surrounded the car behind. They pulled the guy from the car and tackled him to the ground. The man was a convicted rapist and wanted for other crimes.
I never knew about the 112 Cell Phone feature. I tried it on my AT&T phone & it said, "Dialing Emergency Number."
Especially for a woman alone in a car, you should not pull over for an unmarked car. Apparently police have to respect your right to keep going on to a safe place.

*Speaking to a service representative at Bell Mobility confirmed that 112 was a direct link to State trooper info. So, now it's your turn to let your friends know about "Dialing, 112"

You may want to send this to every Man, Woman & Youngster you know; it may well save a life.

This applies to ALL 50 states

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:51 | 2965004 pods
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The old gang initiation.  Did they get tired of waiting underneath cars in the mall parking lot waiting to slice your achilles tendon?

Here in NC we always have problems with impromptu police pulling over people and robbing them.  

I would call BS on the first story.  More urban legend.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:06 | 2965094 PLira
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:27 | 2965241 NotApplicable
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Gullible much?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:09 | 2966096 Cathartes Aura
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from the American Police Beat site I linked above,

Then there are guys like Bill Jakob. He arrived in a small Missouri town with an offer to help police fight the community’s methamphetamine problem. He had a badge and a gun and told officials he had previously worked as a drug agent in Illinois. He drove a fully equipped Ford Crown Victoria with all the law enforcement bells and whistles.

But Jakob wasn’t a cop. He was an unemployed truck driver with a criminal record and had recently filed for bankruptcy. In the aftermath, at least 17 people have sued, including an elderly woman who was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric ward because she didn’t cooperate with the police and a man who said Jakob held a gun to his head and threatened to shoot while the man’s child watched.

“Not only did they break in and threaten to kill people and violate their civil rights, they stole money, prescription drugs and legally owned weapons. It’s crazy that this could happen in 2008,” said attorney Dan Briegel, who represents the woman who was placed in the psychiatric ward for a week. Complaints about Jakob’s rough treatment of suspects led a reporter from the Gasconade County Republican newspaper to ask the sheriff about the new officer.

That’s when Jakob’s story unraveled. “He had credentials. He had a badge. He had a phone number to call for verification,” an embarrassed Mayor Otis Schulte told the New York Times. “I don’t know what else we could have done.” When police called the number Jakob provided, the woman who answered verified he had worked for the task force.

The mayor and other authorities now suspect the person at the other end of the phone was Jakob’s wife.

while some stories are "urban legend" faked, some are very real, and they are fairly numerous if you care to look for them.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:23 | 2964887 PUD
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no one should need renounce something they never agreed to in the first place. show me a document where any of us besides immigrants agreed to be under this gov. there is no such thing. you are property. declared a 'citizen' without your consent by the simple act of falling out of your mothers womb onto soil the gov claims is theirs. that makes you a you should not ever have to give up something you never agreed to get 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:26 | 2964906 Tod E. Tosspot
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The Lysander Spooner stuff is fun to debate, but when you bring it up to your cell mate Bubba it might leave you a bit...ahem...hollow inside.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:41 | 2964963 PUD
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then let's stop lying and call it the tyranny that it truly is 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:15 | 2965512 MachoMan
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Calling it a tyranny is one thing.  Saying that the law is not really the law is another thing... 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2964942 MrSteve
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perhaps you were whelped in the dirt but I bet 20 trillion dollars most people on ZH were pushed from their mother's womb onto a clean bed. 20 trillion, are you on?

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