Obama's Victory Is Very Bullish For This Google Search Query

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The query in question? "Renounce Citizenship"


Simon Black's always interesting insights on this 'event' can be found here.


Perhaps the geographical dispersion of those searches will be insightful, if rather paradoxical...


And by targeted MSA:


And as a bonus, another search query just hit a record: Remington 223

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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:39 | 2964959 PUD
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no one from the gov was there with a contract for me to sign putting myself under the authority of any gov. they just tell you that you are which is the same as changing your name from Kunta to Toby

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:12 | 2965496 MachoMan
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You realize that you can make a contract verbally as well as solely through your actions or inactions, right?  I'll give you a few legal terms to look up and let me know how those apply to what you're advocating: ratification and waiver.

Please stop trying to make a legal argument for why the law does not apply to you.  It's wholly inconsistent to on the one hand say that the law is tyrannical and run by sociopaths and then on the other profess to have a legal basis for your sovereignty.  Mutually exclusive.  Either there is a state there with laws or there is not...  if you have the fortune or misfortune of being in that state, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're subject to its jurisdiction.  You may choose to ignore that jurisdiction and you may not suffer any repercussions from it, but that doesn't change the fact that you're subject to it and simply fighting with reality.  In other words, the state has already contemplated your argument and drafted laws to the contrary.

If you want to discuss your sovereignty, then discuss inalienable rights...  rights given to you by birth without the necessity of a state...  rights afforded to all humans.  However, please do not presume that the law gives two shits about any of this...  it has nothing at all to do with the power demanded by the state.  They are diametrically opposed.  In order for you to have any freedom, you must first cede at least some sovereignty to the state.  This in turn creates the recipe for all of your sovereignty to be taken (and it will as an inevitable conclusion).  The only question is how far along in this process you are born...  Please do not argue about laws long dead...  our system of government was drafted to allow for changes over time.  These changes have occurred.  You're arguing over spilled milk.  Find a different argument.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:20 | 2966133 Cathartes Aura
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our system of government was drafted to allow for changes over time.  These changes have occurred.

absolutely agree, these changes are built in, and still "occuring" - it's how the parasite feeds.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:58 | 2968055 Sincerely Human
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@ Macho Man

What would be your thoughts about the prospect of Canadians (students in Quebec...) individually having notarized & delivered by registered mail to the Canadian gouvernment as well as the UN, a statement similar to the following:


Mon, 11/12/2012 - 10:38 | 2972278 MachoMan
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It seems like a really inefficient way to renounce citizenship...  There are probably some pdf forms for that...  and, in all likelihood, failure to follow the procedure set by law would give the government the ability to not recognize your plea.  And, aside from actually accomplishing nothing, it would get you put towards the top of the list for the FEMA trains.

I can't speak for canadian law, but here, the mere "minimum contact" with a jurisdiction will place you under its command.  This doesn't mean that you have to sign something saying you submit or agree...  or anything else of that matter...  hell, traveling through the state may be sufficient (e.g. DWI, auto accident).  The notion of "withdrawing consent" or renouncing citizenship AND still living in the place where you declare that you are no longer a citizen is...  going to fall on deaf ears.  Best of luck.

Practically speaking, you may get to speak to other like minded people through things like facebook and other social networking media, but the actual avenues to accomplish what you're trying to do are...  few and far between and no one really wants to discuss them.  If you're trying to avoid national debt or other liabilities, good luck with that too.  (they're already more than you can pay). 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:55 | 2965026 bank guy in Brussels
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From the Magna Carta, 1215:

« ... it shall be lawful for any man to leave and return to our kingdom unharmed and without fear ... »

« ... No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals ... »

800 years ago and in the meantime they forgot

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:49 | 2965376 Oh regional Indian
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Magna Carta was a scam to strip royalty of powers.
It worked. To imagine it was for the common man is naive.
This entire bi-millenium has been highlighted by people being screwed over by religion/government, one after th eother or worse yet, together.


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:22 | 2965547 Spastica Rex
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The Enlightment did what it did. It's over. You're flogging a dead horse.

Show me one rich (defined however) person who would say that they don't deserve what they have. One.

Personally, I don't want anything from anyone - I dropped out years ago. Well, I would like to come hang w/you, as I've said before.

The West is so over, philisophically speaking.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:17 | 2965529 MachoMan
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except by the lawful judgement of his equals ...

as practiced in courts everywhere today...  despite somehow being vaguely unlawful or otherwise not compliant with this provision.  Please take your bullshit elsewhere.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:23 | 2964891 Yen Cross
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 Who says you have to Expat to another country? Just buy a big ass boat, and sail the (7) seas. /sarc

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2964938 FrankDrakman
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Worked for L. Ron Hubbard, didn't it?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:41 | 2965337 All_Is_Well
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He's sharing a landfill with Hoffa........... 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:40 | 2965326 fuu
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Persig did that for a while.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:14 | 2965507 Spastica Rex
Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:30 | 2965575 fuu
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Later it was a boat. Lila was all about the boat.

And I junked myself for spelling his name wrong, moran.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:35 | 2965610 Spastica Rex
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I totally forgot about that! I ride motorcycles (well, used to), but never had a boat.

I once made a pilgrimage to Montana State, just to see his old classroom.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:44 | 2965661 Flakmeister
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If you ever come to this neck of the woods you can go visit Malcom X's grave, just a bit more than a stones throw from the Babe (Ruth, not the Ox)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:00 | 2965726 fuu
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I've been through Bozeman a few times, nice country.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 20:18 | 2966657 Parrotile
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A strategy that IS WORKING for us both I may add - and whilst you're going about this plan, please learn to navigate WITHOUT electronic assistance. Once "things get interesting" you'll NOT want to be relying on the GPS system will you . . . . .

PAPER charts, Pilotage BOOKS, sextant, PAPER sight reduction tables, and clocks whose rate of gain / loss you know.

And that's all you need. Worked just fine for all the master navigators of yore (and not-so youre too!). Just need practice (and a slide-rule would be useful too)

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:24 | 2964896 Itch
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Talk about drama queens...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:24 | 2964897 Lendo
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Numbers don't lie 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:27 | 2964908 kito
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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:46 | 2964983 cowpieflapjack
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Towelheads versus the towel rally at the ballpark.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:53 | 2965015 pods
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That was just people looking for "Towelie" now that Colorado has legalized dope!

Wanna get high?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:38 | 2965314 Citxmech
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I don't know what's going on. . .

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:43 | 2965351 Spastica Rex
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Well - just don't forget to bring a towel.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:03 | 2965453 JohnG
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It's always the most important and useful travel item.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | 2964917 4exNinja
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I totally understand people wanting to leave DC...the rest is just hilarious. Either way, 100 searches are hardly significant.

Also, I wonder how many of those are disgruntled GOP'ers who make retarded statements like wanting to move to Australia...a country with socialised healthcare, a single female atheist prime minister, no guns, compulsary voting, and of course tons of openly gay judges and politicians. 

Having said that, I believe it would be a good thing if those people left the country. They should go to a country that better suits their opinion though, like Saudi Arabia. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:57 | 2965037 Tod E. Tosspot
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I saw this posted before the election by a lefty friend on facebook. I never heard any pubs threatening to leave for Australia. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:09 | 2965107 tmosley
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FYI, it's not 100 searches.  The search volume is scaled such that the maximum value is 100.  They don't reveal specific numbers, to my knowledge.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | 2964918 HD
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Fuck you America and all your taxes!  I'm off to France!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:30 | 2964924 Bastiat
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Hehe. Good one.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:51 | 2965003 4exNinja
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Your taxes are way lower than in most other countries, and that includes corporate taxes...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:29 | 2964920 GeorgeHayduke
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Would have likely been the same thing if Romney got elected, just from different people in different areas. I remember this same thing happening when Bush the Lesser won in 2004.

I'm guessing it's hardcore righties doing the searches. I wonder which countries they are considering and if those countries would even consider letting them in or if they might have live as illegals. If my premise is correct I doubt it'll lead to much in the way of emigration and little more than daydreaming as this crowd is notorious for a lot of talk and spectacle with little real action.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:03 | 2965078 RSloane
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The only person I know of who did actually renounce her citizenship was an extremely wealthy supporter of Obama. She is definately a part of the crowd that's a lot of talk and spectacle with little real action.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:30 | 2964923 Shizzmoney
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It would of been bigger if Romney won.

At least the rich people CAN leave.  And they probably should.  Singapore is nice this time of year.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:37 | 2964949 azzhatter
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Singapore is the same all times of the year, hot and humid. The weather barely changes

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:31 | 2964928 blunderdog
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Same thing happened in November '04, although it was slightly less of a spike.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:31 | 2964930 odatruf
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I understand the impulse, but still: don't let the door hit you on the ass...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:33 | 2964933 slackrabbit
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I don't think this is about the election.

It wouldn't have mattered who had won.

I think that now the circus is finally over, people realised what shit the banking system is really in...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:13 | 2965501 redeals
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For me it just accelerated the timetable.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:34 | 2964937 gadflew
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Is anyone else seeing copper down 33 pct? That's what Kitco is showing


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:01 | 2965068 Hi Ho Silver
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Reqium to Recession in D flat maestro.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:04 | 2965079 slackrabbit
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I'm short copper since feb 2011.

Tiiiimmmmeeee iiiissss ooooonnnn mmmmyyyy sssssiiidddeee!


Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:43 | 2965349 fuu
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With all the new gun sales I would have thought copper would climb a little.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:37 | 2965618 silverserfer
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 its down 2.6% today what are you looing at?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:35 | 2964943 azzhatter
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Folks- Starve the beast. Go Galt. Yes, it will be painful but we not escape this without pain. I have done it 2 years ago. Went from paying $97,000 year in taxes to zero. I don't buy anything that's not a necessity. It's not even that painful, it's refreshing. I pulled the cart for many years and the cart got too heavy. If all the hard working talented americans would stop pulling the cart you could make real change happen.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:16 | 2965171 TideFighter
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Even my kids are waking up to this (finally). They both made big bucks, have big cars, big homes, and a houseful of crap. My grandson probably has $10,000 in Legos, but can't look up at a tree and tell me what kind it is. I paid 200k+ in taxes for years, and I had my aha! moment last July. I was at a boat auction and a 30' Fountain came up for sale, about 100k. It's a fast boat that can make the Keys in a hurry. It was bought with cash by illegals who didn't even have a DL? The 10% cash at the window was paid out of a purse and when extracted also brought out several EBT cards. I also notice a section 8 card (I used to rent out Sec 8) in her purse from our county. I found out later that day that she had three babies at a local hospital all on welfare. They can have their Messiah, I'm outta here. 

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:10 | 2965489 toady
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Going on three years here... It's so much easier than pulling the weight for the 47%.

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