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Foodstamps Surge By Most In One Year To New All Time Record, In Delayed Release

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While there had been speculation that the BLS may delay the release of its October nonfarm payroll number until after the election, it turned out there was no reason to worry. Perhaps this is because the number, while at stall speed, was not quite as horrible as some had expected (even if the change in average hourly earnings did tumble to new all time lows) and so boosted Obama's reelection chances. There was, however, another closely tracked number which perhaps is far more indicative of the economic "growth" in the past 4 years, which certainly had a delayed release. The number of course is that showing how many Americans are on foodstamps, and usually is released at the end of the month, or the first day or two of the next month. This time the USDA delayed its release nine days past the semi-official deadline, far past the election, and until Friday night to report August foodstamp data. One glance at the number reveals why: at 47.1 million, this was not only a new all time record, but the monthly increase of 420,947 from July was the biggest monthly increase in one year. One can see why a reported surge in foodstamps ahead of the elections is something the USDA, and the administration may not have been too keen on disclosing.

Foodstamps at the household level also rose to a record 22.685 million:

Finally, going back to the start of the official start of the depression in December 2007. In the 57 months from then until August 2012, there have been 4.6 million jobs lost even as Americans on foodstamps and disability have risen by 21.2 million.

And the same shown on a monthly basis:

Delay explained.

Source: USDA and SSA


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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:48 | 2967610 nmewn
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:52 | 2967613 vast-dom
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thank god we can afford to print, forever.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:00 | 2967623 Bay of Pigs
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Four Moar Years

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:10 | 2967641 flacon
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Just doing God's work - feeding the poor. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:31 | 2967681 Enslavethechild...
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:37 | 2967693 nmewn
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Oh I don't know.

There were plenty of people around here saying its not a good idea to bailout the IB's and don't throw money at Solyndra, Fisker, A123 etal.

Those are all run by the rich.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:08 | 2967915 DaveyJones
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The dumbest argument I've ever heard is the one that suggests money hasn't bought both parties.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:13 | 2968910 knukles
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Do you mean to the 2 different wings of that same one party?


Money don't buy love but sure as shit buys all the politicians you can get!

Ain't it just awesome (er coincidental) all these amazing releases always happen way the fuck days late and then on Friday nights?.

Who'd a thunk? 

(uh, Eddie Bernays, maybe?)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 00:07 | 2969162 Oh regional Indian
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I think some Silly-con valley bio-technology company will come up with edible/nutritionally balanced/bio-stable food stamps.

Just eat your stamps. Simple.


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:39 | 2969389 BrerRabbit
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Yummy, soylent green stamps.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:39 | 2969424 GetZeeGold
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Get a freakin's what rich people do. How do you think they got rich?


I should add....stay away from people that crap on cop cars. That's a ticket to nowhere.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:31 | 2969841 Enslavethechild...
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the rich lie, cheat and steal, but there are no laws or law enforcement for the rich. Crapping on the corrupt cops cars won't help, but there are plenty of other ways to return their karma to them

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:49 | 2969391 Supernova Born
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If there isn't a "Galt lives" food stamp application table outside every college graduation in the nation next May/June it is a travesty.

Feed the educated, too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:19 | 2968927 nmewn
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But its an age old problem. I would point out the NYT is owned by a monied class as well.

What I always remember (as an old fart now, I is "free speech" is just that. Nothing really. An opinion, to be taken as fact or left as the ranting of a madman. 

Until what they're saying is confirmed.

It can be hiring someone to stand on the corner of Broadway & Vine with a placard around their neck screaming the end of the world is nigh...or an editorial in the NYT.

Its just an opinion.

In political speech, in a free America, its perfectly permissable to lie your ass off. Its up to the individual to confirm or deny what is being said as truth. We've devolved (in MY opinion) into "tell me what is truth" instead of seeking what is truth.

Thats not their fault, its ours.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:06 | 2969442 old naughty
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A few good men left, who can handle the truth !

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:01 | 2969493 Ident 7777 economy
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" But its an age old problem. I would point out the NYT is owned by a monied class as well. ..."



Whose value, I would point out diminishes each year. Notice the 'trust fund' kids inherting the NYT are going to have to go to work/find gainful employment .. oh, the horror ...



Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:39 | 2967696 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, ZH goes easy on the Banksters, and the posters here are all mean and nasty and have no compassion.

Nice try. 


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:41 | 2967702 vast-dom
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JPM is kind enough to process and distribute some of them EBT cards.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:48 | 2967713 derek_vineyard
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i eat by whats on sale at the various stores around my home

i can afford more, but fuck food is getting expensive

why not eat by what is the 'loss leader' at each store (i only stop at store when im passing by --no special trips) and it kinda fun on wednesday to see what my weeks menu is going to be

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:49 | 2967717 vast-dom
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man gotta do what a man gots to do...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:02 | 2969301 Alternative
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What about the women? American cows might start looking like tem?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:09 | 2969443 old naughty
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Fear no-men (NOTmen).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:38 | 2967814 Peachfuzz
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I do this same thing. The food inflation has made it "affordable" to get off all the gmo bullshit I used to eat. Now Bananas and oranges and OG apples are less than gmo corn, canola, and cottonseed. Food bill made a near lateral move but my nutrition level went through the roof. Got local beef and I'm all set.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:11 | 2967871 DaveyJones
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That's what I hate about the electronic card. we should at least make them lick the stamps to get a little labor in return

funny how food stamps rise in invesre proportion to shrinking food units on our shelves 

good advice vineyard

my mommy taught me some of those tricks from the mid seventies

One thing I've noticed recently that must be an economic indicator is that even the special "organic" products are having to cut prices more often

granted, the best organic investment (and healthcare investment) is building a greenhouse

avoid cottonseed oil at all costs (it's in a lot of things) It is the only food source that seems to openly defy food pesticide standards cause the oil is pressed from cotton. Of course it's cheap because its literally a waste product.  As the cotton seed is condensed into oil, those pesticides are ever concentrated.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:40 | 2968022 francis_sawyer
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Let them eat cake [purchased with foodstamps]



Sat, 11/10/2012 - 23:14 | 2969105 post turtle saver
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Good grief, you are so wrong it's staggering.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:12 | 2969790 Common_Cents22
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thanks for tip on cottonseed oil.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:39 | 2970697 Global Douche
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Canola is disgusting, according to "Young Again" published years ago. I avoid it whenever possible. Looks like the least of the evils are soybean oil. Olive oil is supposed to be body-friendly yet fatty, but I've also heard that any heavy oil can affect the sensitive inside lining of blood vessels.

Oh well. Time to fast a few more hours.


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:35 | 2971272 DaveyJones
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extra virgin olive oil is probably the best cause it has nice antioxidants. Here's a list

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:48 | 2971297 akak
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If one needs a light, flavorless cooking oil, I understand that grapeseed oil is healthwise much preferable to either canola, sunflower, soybean or cottonseed oils.

Also, do not overlook virgin coconut oil, which although solid at normal room temperature, melts at a very low temperature (less than body temp), and which has lots of beneficial medium-chain fatty acids.  And though it is a largely saturated oil, it does NOT behave in the body nor metabolize like the saturated animal fats such as butterfat.


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:14 | 2971538 TuesdayBen
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Grapeseed? Rapeseed?!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 10:21 | 2975816 jwoop66
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I have very rarely found the need for anything other than olive oil for ten-fifteen years.  Occasionally maybe.    I had a fryer once, but only used it superbowl and shit like that.   Just don't need the canolas and vegetable oils.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:38 | 2968492 Id fight Gandhi
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Im loving it. Speaking of which a double cheese burger cost $1, so does a large coffee.

If you can adjust to junk food you'd probably get by on $5/day and that's not using coupons.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 00:47 | 2969143 Incubus
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"Destroy your health & shorten your lifespan and promote mental disease in late age, all on a full stomach! For just 5 dollars a day!"


GIGO, bro. GIGO.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:18 | 2971551 TuesdayBen
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Anyone who tries can eat well on $5/day in the USA. I know that from experience. Food is dirt cheap in USA, though many here deny it.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:11 | 2968799 Henry Hub
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***fuck food is getting expensive***

Is this consumed pre-coital or post-coital?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:15 | 2968919 knukles
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That's just wrong even by my standards.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:43 | 2968978 NuckingFuts
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Mid-coital.... Why not?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:09 | 2969360 Milton Waddams
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We've made it a game.  When the "savings" (via coupon or whatever discount) is greater than the aggregate cost... you win.

It's so, so sick that day-to-day life has become (or always was?) a labyrinth comprised of landmines.  If one endeavors to observe 'social darwinism' in action, visit a supermarket... or a mall.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:44 | 2967705 JPM Hater001
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Yes, stiff upper lip old boy.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:46 | 2967708 macholatte
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interesting how you turned it around....... a discussion of the use of food stamps as an indicator of just how bad things are to your own version of the hate speech.  If you're not being sarcastic then you must be a latent Media Matters troll or just another fool.


A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Bill Cosby

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:20 | 2967768's picture




Are you being compassionate to the poor if more and more of them are getting poorer and poorer while you hide your head in the sand? We need to know about this and complaining has nothing to do with it.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:15 | 2969796 Common_Cents22
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nobody is really bitching about the poor getting help, although there is plenty of fraud.  It's that record foodstamp number reflects the true economy.   So far they havent screwed with foodstamp numbers like they have with unemployment numbers.

I'm sure they are brainstorming about starting a foodstamp household survey, and foodstamp seasonal adjustments, foodstamp birth/death adjustments, foodstamp people not looking for foodstamps, etc...

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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 10:25 | 2975824 jwoop66
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What makes you think they haven't screwed with the numbers?  They've hid them, you think they're above moving zero's around?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:32 | 2967796 Republicae
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I don't think the point is giving to the poor, but to create a society of complete dependency on government. The crony-capitalism, or mercantilist form of government we must endure presently is equally as bad in creating dependency within the private sector as creating dependency among those who are being driven into poverty by the very government that now seeks to enslave them through dependency on it's largesse. The reason behind the Food Stamp Program is to conceal the massive soup lines that are the result of this government's policies, it keeps the growing number of poor and struggling away from public view and therefore the ability to construct an realistic opinion on what the actual causes of such a growing population of poverty-stricken really is in this country. The government is essentially "papering over" the problem as it does with so many problems. The problem with the poor is not a lack of money, but a lack of opportunity and that lack of opportunity has been drastically increased over the last 30 to 40 years as this country has dropped in productivity, creativity, individualism and independence. Government is not the solution to poverty otherwise it's War on Poverty would have been a success a Trillion Dollars ago, government creates poverty through intervention into the markets, through regulatory mandates that usually assist the very industries they regulate, through essentially monopoly powers to manipulate monetary polices and manage economic decision-making, limiting and directing consumer choices.

...and if you haven't noticed, people do complain about the bundles of government subsidies, the favored status that some corporations and banks receive from this government. Your assertion therefore, is flaccid at best and mis-leading at worse.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:19 | 2967941 macholatte
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The government is essentially "papering over" the problem as it does with so many problems.


Much of what you said is spot on. However, you miss one important point....... buying votes, a much more productive way to stay in power, and that is what it's all about, as shown by the recent performance of the "poor" in their neighborhoods as they chose to stay enslaved. But it is not the "poor" who are enslaved. It is the remnants of the worker bees in the private sector. The "poor" have nothing to lose and everything to gain and will hardly notice any loss of "freedoms" or "rights" as they que to buy their fast food, alcohol & tobacco with SNAP cards. Restrict that and you might get a revolution. Until then, it's business as usual. 


Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
John Adams

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:12 | 2968273 AmCockerSpaniel
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JOBS JOBS JOBS,  It's all about jobs. Giving money is not the answer in the long run. A man gains no self respect from taking a hand out. This is the way we domesticate animals, and people so they never can fend for them selves.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:07 | 2969378 piliage
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Adams believed that America could only function as a religious country.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

I do believe that Adam's position is correct, that American Democracy requires a moral and self-reliant populace to function. However, from my recent experiences at LAX (something like a Kafka novel acted out in a John Carpenter film) and looking and the voter numbers (and the reaction to Romney's 47% comment), Adams' theory may be proven correct sooner than we think.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:06 | 2967905 monopoly
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Huh? Who gives trillions to the rich? They pay most of the taxes this country wastes. They hire more employees than any other class of wealth. Taking more from them does nothing for our debt or insolvency. It is mere pennies in the scheme of things. But it is good politics. Soak the rich. But with millions on unlimited food stamps, unemployment, medical disability because they cannot find work and a myriad of social programs we cannot afford, yup, that is the way to go. Just keep that up and soon, 17T, 18T, just pick a number. 

I think we should reduce tax deductions for many of the loopholes that exist. For instance, if I can afford to buy a second home, why am I getting a tax break on that? Or if I can afford a 2 million dollar home why do I get a tax break on a 900,000 loan? THAT is where we should rein in the deficit. But the idiot realtors association will not allow that. 

Just keep the social benefits flowing? And what is wrong with telling my daughter who is 24, that she will not collect Social Security until she is 68 with NO early benefits. Maybe all under 50 should be in a similar vein.  But no, Congress will not vote for that. They might lose their sweet cushion.

And as a retired military officer with 24 years of military service why am I getting 100% free medical after I pay my medicare premiums? Yes, I know many are thankful for my service and sacrifice and that is fine. But, I could pay a $500.00 a year extra premium for my medical benefits. There are probably 5 million of us like that. It may hurt a little but help the deficit a lot. But no, AARP and veterans politics won't allow that. 

And why does Warren Buffet. Bill Gates, Tim Cook and all the thieves in banking even get Medicare? When you are worth 10 million or more, pay for your hospital costs. Nope, I will lose votes if I do that.

And since we are bankrupt, why do medicare deductions stop at any level of income? We need to contribute no matter what income level we are at.

And one of the most disgusting of all:....Congress. Not one dollar in pay cuts, million dollar expense accounts, absurd pay scale, medical and retirement that is off the charts. When do they start "contributing". Oh, I forgot. Thieves do not contribute, they just steal.

There are ways for many of us to pay a little more. But to say the rich just soak it all up. No sir. The middle class, which is most of us,need to do just a little more. But raise income tax rates for any,. NO!

And why am I policing the entire planet. Bring every American home from over 120 countries to protect US. Never mind the planet. I cannot change 5,000 years of religious history in the middle east because I want to and I am Bush Jr. I am tired of killing young men and woman, destroying the lives of thousands of other dismembered Americans to save the Pot fields in Afghanistan or pretend I care about Iraq. But no cannot do that. Then we would not need as many defense toys, and that would hurt all the defense contractors. And I would lose more votes.

See where I am going with all this. It makes no difference what any of us believe. Nothing, nothing will change until the system blows up again. All our "elected officials" care about is getting re-elected and increasing their personal wealth. The people be damned. We had Ron Paul, "unelectable", and I agree. 

So just finish preparing, be ready, and when it all blows up we will have protected our families best we can. There is no solution until the final outcome is completed and changes are forced upon us. What a pathetic end to a problem that true "statesmen" could solve with time and truth. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:23 | 2968297 AmCockerSpaniel
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You would like to have a dollar for all those under 65 that collect SS. It's a real need for most of them, but taxes should be non linear. Those who have the most should be asked to pay the most. Not to do this is to cultivate serfdom.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:05 | 2969230 AmCockerSpaniel
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It appears that the majority would not object to being a serf, but I would.  Enslavement is just that.  It can be accomplished with force or  with money. And it's NOT easily reversible.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:35 | 2968337 disabledvet
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before another dollar is taxed i would argue a full accounting of how every dollar is spent is in order. then we would know whether or not are "charitable bent" is in fact being realized. i think we all here know the answer: "no, the money is not being spent as intended. to help those in need." and because Wall Street is one step ahead of all of us...they are the one's who get the bailouts and thus we ALL lose do we not? NO...those who argue for "starving the beast" have a valid point. the people of the 5 boroughs of New York City plus Northern New Jersey all say the same thing: "where is everybody?" And the answer is "in a bank account somewhere." The money is LONG gone. We'll see if this is the Storm that starts the realization that no one really does have are back...that we live in a condition that may truly be rotten to the core. I find it interesting that the Governor on New York as pegged the cost of Sandy to the same number as what Mayor Bloomberg's net worth allegedly is: 35 billion. "Charity starts in the home" Mr. Mayor. Now is your chance to lead. I would like to think i could be watching as closely as you do. Is the intention to do nothing to begin with? original.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:10 | 2968699 whoopsing
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FEMA was driving around my area in a big stupid fucking bus-with escorts with flashing lights-obviously,hopelessly lost. Absolute, fucking losers.Meanwhile, our as local as possible gov't has done a monumental job of digging out, getting shit cleared for utility work,feeding people Why the fuck do we need fema?


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 10:37 | 2975861 jwoop66
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Show me where in the constitution it says the federal govt has any responsibility for individual's retirement benefits or health insurance?    Lets go back to using private charities like we did 120+ years ago.  I know some will say "millions of poor will be starving in the streets!", but I challenge anyone to show me evidence of a mass of poor in this country at any one time in our history.  Private charity is local and helps those truly in need and it ensures the recipients don't engage in blatant fraud. 

With that said, the American public has spoken.  They want an entitlement society.  The economy cannot handle it.  Obamacare will make it much worse.  It will be LONG TERM pain for many.    The best we can do is rip the fucking bandaid off quick.   Everyone should apply for as much and as many govt benefits as possible.   Cloward and Piven, baby!  

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:00 | 2968398 hooligan2009
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bravo bravo..well said +1 brazillion upticks!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:49 | 2968654 real
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all the rich all the corporations all businesses get their money from the middle class and the poor buying there products. I am not including the profits involved from financial fantasy So dick heads, as you have gained from us it is now time to pay for your profits. either that or say good bye to the united states

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:07 | 2968794 Mike in GA
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Exceptionally well said.  I not only agree but would not change a single word. 

Amazing how "collapse" has finally become a household word after years of watching this approaching disaster loom relentlessly closer.

Preparations now, people; there are too many paths to the collapse and NONE to rescue.  Plan accordingly.



Response to Monopoly, above, at 2967905

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:33 | 2968840 grgy
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Monopoly, you are a true patriot Sir and I salute you.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:07 | 2969021 monopoly
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Well, thank you sir. But I am just an American, although one close to tears.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:35 | 2969387 piliage
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BRAVO! Well said Sir.

"The Rich" who pay tax in America could move their companies or take their assets to Switzerland anytime they want, put money in a Zug bank, and pay only 8% TOTAL tax for ever. They would have a better quality of life with a government that lives within it's means and operates for the people.

In 10 years, their families would all become Swiss.

I own a business in Europe, live in Europe,..moved here with nothing.

I have to pay tax in Europe AND the US, even though my son has never once used any US service and I haven't done any business in the US for over 12 years. My foreign bank records are audited annually by the IRS, and I have to declare my wife's income to the IRS even though she is not American, as we have a joint account.

The US is becoming a police state with its extra-judicial actions. Those living abroad are sick and tired of paying for their bullshit when we have other options.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:16 | 2969412 Moe Howard
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You are not a very well informed retired military officer IMHO. The plan is to raise the rates for retired soldiers, PROGRESSIVLY, meaning the higher the check the more you pay, the goal is to do this until the cost of retired military health care equals the civilian sector.


Maybe read that little Tricare flyer they send out. You will get your wish. The free healthcare the soldiers were promised if they stuck out 20 years is long gone, and soon, the price advantage will be too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:24 | 2967955 SeattleBruce
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Not true on this board...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:41 | 2968193 imbrbing
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The poor crowd votes the rich crowd in to take their stuff because they get it "diveed" out back to them like crumbs falling off a table, and that actually makes the poor happy they do that, because the poor are told it is suppose to make them happy. Soon they will have us all in that state of happiness, or dead.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:24 | 2968303 ebworthen
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Two-pronged approach; buy out the masses with bread and circuses, and the crony capitalists with bailouts, tax exemptions, absence of rule of law.  With little or no middle class and a somnolent underclass who will challenge the Kleptoligarchy?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:14 | 2968427 Lewshine
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Who is the "BUT YOU" in your statement Robin Hood? See, that's the delusion of the left. They call it noble and Christ like to feed their neighbor on left by putting a gun to the head of their neighbor on the right. Socialism is a disease of the soul. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:38 | 2968629 northerngirl
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Last time I was updated on the poor in my state a family of 4 receiving public assistance was taking in about 60K a year.  That came from a social worker who was paid around 40K a year.  In my state the poor not only receive food stamps, but also medical, housing, transportation, utility assistance, and lets not forget cell phones.  That does not count all the food and clothing donated through my church and other charities.  The poor are well taken care of. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:53 | 2968995 Kprime
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the 60K INCLUDES THE 55k the social worker gets.  the poor get the remaining 5k

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:46 | 2968648 sessinpo
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The problem you have is the word "giving"


Nothing should be given, rich or poor.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:17 | 2968680 SilverFish
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Right, because all of us here wanna see poor people starve and see the uber wealthy, who are much better off than ourselves, become even wealthier at the tax payers expense. MUUUAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!



Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:42 | 2969394 dolly madison
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I personally think that we have to have safety nets for people as long as people are unable to opt out of the system that requires them to have money to have a place to exist and have food.  Right now, we have to pay rent or mortgage and property tax just to have a place to exist or to even try to grow our own food.  This is the core of debt slavery.  But there are times through no fault of the debt slaves that there just isn't enough work for them to be able to afford a place to exist or a way to get food.  So if a system of debt slavery is to last, there must be safety nets for the debt slaves.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:54 | 2967727 markettime
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I beleive it was Jesus who said "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."  

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:08 | 2967751 ShrNfr
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Sometimes you have to hit him over the head with a fish to wake him up.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:21 | 2967771 Zenseless
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Or shove the fish up his arse.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:40 | 2968762 francis_sawyer
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or cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with... A HERRING!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:50 | 2968776 akak
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Is that a European herring or an African herring?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:02 | 2968792 francis_sawyer
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I don't know...


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:46 | 2968866 grgy
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Reply to ShrNfr - "Sometimes you have to hit him over the head with a fish to wake him up".

Looking at the results of the election, I don' think anything will ever wake him up. He will consume the last few kernals of corn rather than get off his fat ass, till the soil and plant a crop.  Circle the wagons boys, she's gunna get ugly.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:24 | 2967779's picture

Check this out. It's hilarious.


Doug Stanhope - If you teach a man to fish...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:22 | 2967946 Sean7k
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It is an old Chinese proverb. Jesus gave the fish and bread away. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:16 | 2969449 GetZeeGold
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If you can create fish out of thin air then I say go for it.


Otherwise, I would suggest you gear up here.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:27 | 2967962 FeralSerf
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Jesus is wrong.  The oceans are all fished out.  Starkist, et al have already got the fish.

In Jesus' time, subsistance farming was the primary occupation.  Modern mechanized and chemical agriculture methods have changed all that.  There are no jobs anymore for the proles except pizza delivery and burger flipping and there are damn few of those.  How is it possible that we have so many people twirling pizza parlor ads on the street corners now?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:44 | 2968205 imbrbing
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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:23 | 2969455 GetZeeGold
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He's thinks all the polar bears are dead too. We'll turn him loose outside Fairbanks Alaska with a couple salmon we fished out of the ocean tied to his body. He'll soon find our they're very much alive.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:11 | 2968099 grid-b-gone
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After staffers read Matthew 14 (feeding a multitude with five loaves of bread and two fish), fractional reserve feeding, having been confirmed as God's work, was added to the mission of the Dept of Agriculture.

But yeah, the three day delay was purely political.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:02 | 2968546 Id fight Gandhi
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Only time Jesus got angry was over the money people. Then they crucified him for it.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:42 | 2968766 francis_sawyer
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Jews hated Jesus... Imagine that...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:22 | 2968816 BigDuke6
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The poor shall inherit the earth...

but the rich shall contest the will

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 00:01 | 2969155 Cloud9.5
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It's only a four by eight plot.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:10 | 2969379 Svendblaaskaeg
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"The poor shall inherit the earth..."

Oh, I'm glad they're getting something, they have a hell of a time. (Life of Brian)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:11 | 2968694 SilverFish
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That Stanhope bit NAILS it!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:55 | 2968998 Kprime
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teach a man to get food stamps, welfare, and medicaid and he lives a free life, for a lifetime.  Try to build a buisness and work for and living and you are a slave for life.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 00:13 | 2969168 captain_menace
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Build a man a fire, and he's warm for a day.

Light a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:44 | 2969396 dolly madison
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But nobody was charging people for fishing licences back in Jesus' time.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:06 | 2967636 nmewn
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I just printed up tax deductions for my IRS forms...for the years 2013-2016.

Its mahhhvelous ;-)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:39 | 2967695 vast-dom
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all you need to know for Sat Nov 10, 2012:


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:28 | 2967788's picture

Old Bull Lee was quite a character. Literally.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:45 | 2967710 JPM Hater001
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I cleared the last of my 401K's from the paper market this year and while I am surely headed for a tax problem I'm prepping for the collapse to take care of that for me.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:52 | 2967724 nmewn
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Been thinking about that seriously myself.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:22 | 2967774 Hulk
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Timing that move is a real bitch...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:29 | 2967792 Urban Redneck
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Reminder: the current super blowout deal of ass raping taxation on realizing income and capital gains expires December 31...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:18 | 2967938 JPM Hater001
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Bingo. I know what taxes are this year...lord knows what they try next year.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:56 | 2967873 Tom Servo
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Unwound every position in my IRA on 11/2, should be settled now and available for withdrawl on monday.  Fidelity will likely make me talk to a person and beg me not to liquidate it.  Maybe if i'm lucky I can sell them that I was disabled in a boating accident, where incidentally, i lost my guns and physical silver... That was a sad day....

Can't flush the 401k till i get fired..

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:16 | 2967931 DaveyJones
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I'll loan you a neck brace

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:27 | 2968737 goat
goat's picture can avoid talking to a human critter at fidelity if you take everything out except $5.00 +/-.  I had the same dilemna with them, and it worked for me.  Of course, now they have a $5 account they want to charge maintenance fees on, but fuck em.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:50 | 2969400 dolly madison
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I already cashed in all our 401ks  and IRAs in 2005, and bought a home and a business outright with them.  Before that the banks were keeping me from making any money with all that interest they were charging me.  Best move I ever made.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 00:05 | 2969159 infinity8
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Man, I'm with you there and hoping we're right. I certainly don't want to be on IRS radar but I'm gambling it'll be a minute before they can (ever) catch up.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:24 | 2967665 max2205
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What's the deal with benefits per hsehold going down

Ben runnning out of poor people money

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:58 | 2968237 adr
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More single people filing for benefits. I think a single person with no dependents gets $250.

I know the welfare family living across the street gets $750 with the 6 kids.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:52 | 2969402 dolly madison
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Probably also has something to do with all those part time jobs we have now too.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:07 | 2969502 GetZeeGold
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A little thing we like to call dodging's all the rage these dayx.


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 00:22 | 2969180 vulcanraven
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Print back and forth.... FOREVER



Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2968057 Chuck Walla
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:19 | 2968291 SgtSchultz
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Where do I go to get my Obamaphone so that I can make an Obamcare appointment and get some Obamafood?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:40 | 2968763 machineh
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First you gotta be able to CHARGE you Obamaphone.

In the spiritual home of sheepleism -- Long Island -- KongressKlowns beg for help from the big bad Fedgov, since the state-owned power company (which looted and took over Lilco) can't turn the lights on:

Two congressmen from Long Island are asking the White House to send federal employees to Long Island to take the lead role in restoring power to a region where tens of thousands of people remain in the dark 12 days after Superstorm Sandy.


U.S. Reps. Peter King and Steve Israel said they were sending a letter Friday requesting that personnel from the Army Corps of Engineers and Energy Department assume work of the Long Island Power Authority, whose work after the storm the congressmen called "abysmal." They echoed the criticism expressed earlier by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.


"When the lights went off in Baghdad and the lights went off in Kabul, it was the Army Corps of Engineers that went into Baghdad and Kabul to turn the lights back on," said Israel, a Democrat. "We don't need to turn the lights back on in Kabul and Baghdad. We need to turn the lights back on in Plainview and Great Neck and the south shore."

Yeah, our hearts bleed for these 'underfunded' Big Gov thumbsuckers from two of the highest-taxed counties in the country.


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:12 | 2969380 Disenchanted
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"When the lights went off in Baghdad and the lights went off in Kabul, it was the Army Corps of Engineers that went into Baghdad and Kabul to turn the lights back on," said Israel, a Democrat. "We don't need to turn the lights back on in Kabul and Baghdad. We need to turn the lights back on in Plainview and Great Neck and the south shore."


Tell those two fuckwit congressmen to get on the horn to AIPAC and Israel(the country), I'm sure they'd be glad to help out some old friends with some of the US taxpayer $$ the former have helped redirect to the latter.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:29 | 2968612 TWSceptic
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Yes forward, to the cliff...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:56 | 2968888 Everybodys All ...
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that 's a lot of voters.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:50 | 2969330 Boeing Boy
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Welcome to socialism, or did I mean to say social democracy..

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:52 | 2967614 a growing concern
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Keep Obama in President!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:16 | 2967650 DeadFred
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He's the best Kenyan to ever hold the office!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:49 | 2967716 derek_vineyard
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i though carter was kenyan

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:34 | 2967803's picture

Turns out that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney were both born in Kenya. And there's not a dime's worth of difference between them.


A young Kenyan mother has named her newborn twin sons after the U.S. president-elect and his defeated Republican challenger.

Millicent Owuor, 20, gave birth to Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on Wednesday at the Siaya District Hospital in southwest Kenya, according to the Standard

Owuor told the Kenyan news outlet her sons’ names will always remind her of the election in the United States.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:13 | 2968425 knukles
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(speechless.................. hands pausing above keyboard.... no thoughts.... emptiness....    must have something to do with the Reptilian Annauki asexual practices in the Congo some years ago...  Mad Mike Hoare missed an opportunity...)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:53 | 2968780 akak
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Owuor told the Kenyan news outlet her sons’ names will always remind her of the election in the United States

No insult to your sons, Mrs. Owuor, but our exploding national debt and the coming collapse of the US dollar will be sufficient reminders of that (so-called) election for most Americans in the years to come.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:49 | 2969075 Archon7
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He give us a phone!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:53 | 2967615 Flakmeister
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Panem et Circenses!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 23:23 | 2969117 post turtle saver
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Free Cheese!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:53 | 2967616 All Out Of Bubblegum
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The American economy is now backed by the full faith and credit of the USDA.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:57 | 2967617 Pool Shark
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FOODSTAMPS: The original Reinvestment & Recovery Act...


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:36 | 2967805's picture

But you can't eat government cheese.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:14 | 2968428 knukles
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:50 | 2968521 willwork4food
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He didn't eat that..

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:56 | 2967618 So great a cloud
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Why grow a garden when your great Uncle Sam's is always in season?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:02 | 2967629 Lednbrass
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This pisses me off to no end- I put alot of time and effort into growing a wide range of stuff for the family to get by yet none of the slugs I see in the grocery stores with their EBT cards can be bothered to do so.

I am seriously contemplating just dropping my income and signing up for everything I can in a small effort to help precipitate collapse.  I have had it with busting ass just to feed my own family only to be fed on by others.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:18 | 2967654 LawsofPhysics
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Relax, that which cannot be sustained, won't be.  Just don't be anywhere near a major city when these useless eaters realize the EBT cards aren't working anymore.  Humans think they are so clever with their "human" constructs.  Nature and the laws of physics really don't give a shit.  The planet will be fine, the people, not so much.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:41 | 2967700 Water Is Wet
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"that which cannot be sustained, won't be"

A truism.  If that which can't be sustained, won't, yet this trend has been and continues to be sustained, then maybe it is sustainable.  Productive people bitch in the void of cyberspace, and the "useless eaters" continue uselessly eating.  If not now, when?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:47 | 2967712 JPM Hater001
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In no uncertain terms let me lay this out.

We're screwed.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:18 | 2967731 LawsofPhysics
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It's a complex system, this planet called earth.  If I could make such predictions, I certainly would be a bit better off and perhaps not wasting time here.  However, to pretend that somehow growth can continue in the fashion that it has forever is simply beyond stupid.  Hedge accordingly (It's all you can do anway).  I suspect that the people on Easter Island that learned how to become long distance sailors and built the vessels to do so, might have been a bit better off, don't you?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:37 | 2967811 Harbanger
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"I suspect that the people on Easter Island that learned how to become long distance sailors and built the vessels to do so, .."

The first people that got there must have known how to travel long distances, the other generations must have forgotten how.  There must have also been a critical point where there was not enough wood to build a large vessel even if they knew how.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:01 | 2967895 LawsofPhysics
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Either way, those with the boats, and the means to defend them probably did just fine.  I would also speculate that they probably left well ahead of that critical point.  They may have left some "capable leaders" behind to convince the public at large that everything was just fine.

All is well, remain calm, etc. etc. etc.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:01 | 2967894 Lednbrass
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I know this, but it is still aggravating. I purposely relocated to a very rural area of the South in anticipation of this, but going to town to shop now and again manages to get under my skin every time.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:39 | 2968003 FeralSerf
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If all the useless eaters are eliminated, there's going to be a lot of useless farmers.

The useless eaters are just livestock owned by the elites.  There wouldn't be enough demand for iphones without them and someone's portfolio value would decrease.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:21 | 2967661 DeadFred
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No need to do so.  Plenty of other will do it for you and you can still have your integrity when the end game starts. Be patient, sometimes inevitable takes longer than it seems it should.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2967872 Republicae
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Can you only imagine what would happen is every Tax Producer in this country, employed under W-4 Agreements, would terminate those W-4 agreements with their employers. Sec. 31.3402(p)-1 Voluntary withholding agreements in the IRS code clearly states that is within the rights of the taxpayer to terminate his W-4 withholding agreement. It would then be the responsibility of the IRS to both calculate and collect those taxes directly from the tax-payer, not an easy task, in fact, it would gum up the system to badly that it would probably get the notice of Congress.

Upon termination, your employer would no longer be responsible for withholding any of your taxes, reporting those taxes or your wages to the IRS. So, why do we continue to comply with a voluntary system of withholding? It is easy, but for whom? It is easy on the IRS. Why not use the forms of our government against those who seek to lord over us, use the system of forms to throw monkey-wrench after monkey-wrench into the system, make it difficult for this government to function through using perfectly legal forms to change the way this government must operate? At the very least, even if a few hundred thousand people terminated their W-4 agreements within a month, the act would not go unnoticed, but imagine if a million or two million or ten million taxpayers suddenly terminated their W-4s.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:05 | 2968256 adr
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But the IRS can levy a witholding penalty against you which can add up to over $1000. I almost got into trouble a couple times. I make sure to claim every deduction I can so as little as possible is witheld. Sure I don't get a tax refund, but the IRS was never entitled to the money in the first place.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:00 | 2968395 Shigure
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Lednbrass, don't get pissed off about the people with EBT cards; instead be grateful that you have the initiative and the physical and intellectual abilities to grow a wide range of foodstuffs for your family. Each year you build on your skills, knowledge and experience, your family is healthier, you are more self-reliant - my hat off to you!

Be proud of your efforts and lead by example, maybe you will inspire others to try for themselves.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:30 | 2968467 Cathartes Aura
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or petulantly stomp the plants, turn over the soil, spray some Roundup on it so that it's poisoned long-term, go out and get yer JPMSnap card, and feed your kids supermarket fud on a few dollars a day.

that'll show those damn benefits scroungers!!!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:07 | 2968687 Shigure
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