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Foodstamps Surge By Most In One Year To New All Time Record, In Delayed Release

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While there had been speculation that the BLS may delay the release of its October nonfarm payroll number until after the election, it turned out there was no reason to worry. Perhaps this is because the number, while at stall speed, was not quite as horrible as some had expected (even if the change in average hourly earnings did tumble to new all time lows) and so boosted Obama's reelection chances. There was, however, another closely tracked number which perhaps is far more indicative of the economic "growth" in the past 4 years, which certainly had a delayed release. The number of course is that showing how many Americans are on foodstamps, and usually is released at the end of the month, or the first day or two of the next month. This time the USDA delayed its release nine days past the semi-official deadline, far past the election, and until Friday night to report August foodstamp data. One glance at the number reveals why: at 47.1 million, this was not only a new all time record, but the monthly increase of 420,947 from July was the biggest monthly increase in one year. One can see why a reported surge in foodstamps ahead of the elections is something the USDA, and the administration may not have been too keen on disclosing.

Foodstamps at the household level also rose to a record 22.685 million:

Finally, going back to the start of the official start of the depression in December 2007. In the 57 months from then until August 2012, there have been 4.6 million jobs lost even as Americans on foodstamps and disability have risen by 21.2 million.

And the same shown on a monthly basis:

Delay explained.

Source: USDA and SSA

 


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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment Kprime
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I am one year ahead of you.  Sold my buisness, filed for food stamps and medicad, growing a gardena and raising my own food.  sam gets no taxes from my effort but I am on the obama gravy train doing my part to crash the system.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Vilsack, the Sec of Agri, said:  "I should point out, when you talk about the SNAP program or the foot stamp program, you have to recognize that it's also an economic stimulus. Every dollar of SNAP benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity. If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, someone has to stock it, package it, shelve it, process it, ship it. All of those are jobs. It's the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times."

We're rich! Rich I tell you --- or rather, Vilsack does.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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And if those grocery customers get mad at the higher prices and start breaking windows - we'll all be BILLIONAIRES!

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Broken windows and food stamps... Our GDP will skyrocket~!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Krugman just came at the thought.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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yo now i'm convinced i gotta get me one of them EBT cards. it my duty as citizen to stimulateate da economee!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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Sure. To get one; just call your local DHS office on your Obamaphone...

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Everbudy roun here got ObowmaPhone!!!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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ObamaEBTfood + ObamaPhone = Hope and Change!

That's Hope and Change you can feed off of!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment imbrbing
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Because ObamaCare(s)!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Free Freedom Beer!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment knukles
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ObamaDon'tCare tm

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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I predict a bush era stimulus check setting the whole mad world in a tailspin as $10K checks are issued to the people expecting them to pay off debt in lieu of a full Jubilee...they buy guns instead.

Full Debt Jubilee Just Ahead

Followed by civil war.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment flaunt
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Buy SWHC and RGR.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Put rest of the nation on this stimulus.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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sick sick sick...someone tell vilsack that the recipient gets only 20cents worth for every dollar allocated by the government because 80 cents is spent on packaging.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:09 | Link to Comment flaunt
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God damn idiots.  It's more of a zero-sum game than anything.  The person who can buy more because of government assistance helps drive up prices and keeps another person from being able to buy as much.  I'd wager you move less product under that scenario rather than more.  Central planners are the problem.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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It's all about food. As long as your belly is full your genetics tell you not to rebel.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Rainman
Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment PlausibleDenial
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I was a the post office yesterday buying stamps using the automatic stamp dispenser.  When paying I noticed that there was a selection for EBT cards.  So, EBT cards are good for buying stamps.  Can you eat stamps???  Talk about a ponzi....

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Fiscally challenged philatelists need a hand up too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I may be wrong, but "EBT" cards can include unemployment or SS?  and the JPMSnap cards are for food purchases only?

of course, facts aren't really necessary when you're having a rousing good two-minute hate!

as you all were.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:56 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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when you're having a rousing good two-minute hate!

as you all were.

 

And now that you're here we can keep right at it. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I know!!

get your bros together dude, have at it!!

yer welcome.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Conman
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Thanks Bernanke! You made this possible.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment malikai
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He didn't do that.

Somebody else helped make that possible.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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You mean he didn't spend that?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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He didn't conjur up those 1s and 0s out of thin air to purchase US Treasuries to keep the massively listing USS Titanic afloat for just a few moments more.  Someone else did that.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment malikai
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There is more than one pirate on this ship.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Honestly, do you really think that there is even one foreign country that does not print hundred dollar bills?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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You people can watch while I'm scrubbing these floors
And I'm scrubbin' the floors while you're gawking
Maybe once ya tip me and it makes ya feel swell
In this crummy Southern town, in this crummy old hotel
But you'll never guess to who you're talkin'.
No. You couldn't ever guess to who you're talkin'.
Then one night there's a scream in the night
And you'll wonder who could that have been
And you see me kinda grinnin' while I'm scrubbin'
And you say, "What's she got to grin?"
I'll tell you.

There's a ship, the black freighter
with a skull on its masthead
will be coming in.

By noontime the dock is a-swarmin' with men
comin' out from the ghostly freighter
They move in the shadows where no one can see
And they're chainin' up people and they're bringin' em to me
askin' me, "Kill them NOW, or LATER?"
Askin' ME! "Kill them now, or later?"
Noon by the clock
and so still by the dock
You can hear a foghorn miles away
And in that quiet of death
I'll say, "Right now.
Right now!"
Then they'll pile up the bodies
And I'll say,
"That'll learn ya!"

 

And the ship, the black freighter
disappears out to sea
And on it is me.

 

English version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFP3x4bKpZE

 

Auf Deutsche.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec0clERjQ5A

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment flacorps
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For the middle class the coupon deals have gotten ridiculous and I know it's a twofer because the newspaper industry is being propped up by couponers who get a dozen Sunday papers ... Make that a fourfer for the paper and forestry industries...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Yep, Gatehouse Media, Inc. is splattering Eastern Mass with freebie Sunday editions of e.g. Patriot Ledger, Brocton Enterprise, et al.  I wonder if they are doing that in other areas.

'cuz gotta' keep up the circulation numbers, otherwise the ad revenue goes South and poof!

- Ned

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment QE49er
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The Climatic Symphony of Destruction of the west.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment ghostzapper
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I still am amazed the majority of people keep paying their mortgage.  Especially now with QEinfinity aimed at MBS.  Shalom is telling the world he will buy the toxic MBS from the boys so why would someone pay their mortgage if Ben's got your back.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:18 | Link to Comment aphlaque_duck
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My wife quit paying the note on her upside-down condo and we've collected $20K in rental income so far that was otherwise met with $20K of mortgage. And bernank keeps printing money so we were able to up the rent significantly the last time it turned over.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment max2205
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Yawn, call me when it hits 100 million.

My Obama phone # is 1-800- who gives a shit

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Essential Nexus
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I see strong technical resistance at about 300 million.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Not necessarily. Fraud could push us well past that number.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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After vote early and vote often... eat early and eat often. Imagine all the economic activity in restaurants, food producers and of course health care industry when all these fat slobs have heart attacks or diabetes?? GENIUS!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment flaunt
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After that they can start signing up foreigners.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Gerard Depardieu can take himself and his piss to Belgium:

"Legendary French actor Gérard Depardieu caused quite a scene on an airplane Tuesday night by urinating in the cabin in front of his fellow passengers after the crew told him he had to wait to use the toilet, according to multiple reports. "

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20519658,00.html

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Fuck it. I'm signing up for them being as everyone else in the fucking country has them. Let's ride this donkey until it breaks a leg.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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"One can see why a reported surge in foodstamps ahead of the elections is something the USDA, and the administration may not have been too keen on disclosing."

Boeing et al. suppressing their layoff announcements, SeeBS suppressing both the admission that it wasn't a stupid internet video, before it was, now it isn't (but don't tell the Pakz, might make Hillary look bad), Petraeus scandal held in the pocket until after (but I'm with Ralph Peters on this timing), and we don't know what else is lurking out there.

I wonder when GW will examine the number of registered voters in various precincts vs. the number of votes cast? oh, nvm

- Ned

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment nmewn
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More than just Boeing my friend...a partial list...

Energizer -

The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.

Westinghouse -

Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.

Research in Motion Limited -

Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.

Lightyear Network Solutions -

More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.

Providence Journal -

The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.

Hawker Beechcraft -

The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.

http://coffeeandsleeplessnights.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/layoffs-since-the-election/

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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how do you spell suenam, no, sunami, no,

dang, Tidal Wave!  (that's the trick)

- Ned

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Monetative Easing
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One area of growth for the west over the past few years has been the increasing number of citizens who require some form of governmental support.  Sadly, like other trends that preceded and directly influnced this one (easy credit, suburban sprawl etc), this isn't sustainable either.  

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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why has the amount per household dropped from 295 to 277 (drop of 18 bucks)?

anyway, 47.1 million people (22,385 million households) on foodstamps at c. $133 per person (277 per household) per month each = the odd $75 billion a year or $1.5 billion a week.

that is the modern soup kitchen. how well could the government feed these people if it prepared food instead of vouchers to prevent abuse? i am guessing around 20% of the welfare is spent on non-food (displacing other bills) and another 20% is spent on junk food making people obese and unhealthy (thank you mickey d's).

the other number..i am trying to get my head round how food stamp usage of up 21.2 million correlates with NFP of 4.6 million. does this mean that 16.5 million people have had pay cuts taking them into poverty?

i am trying to get the number of hours worked in total and the total earnings (excluding bonuses from FIRE) for the economy over the same period. with the BLS now via doug short and the st louis fed. i have a feeling that number of hours worked is down 5% in five years and earnings are down another 3-5%. that would explain some of the disparity in the NFP and SNAP trends.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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good to see someone actually trying to understand the numbers.

know this: the electronic pixels that slide through the machines via plastic, all of them are propping up the corporations who are credited with them.

those who benefit from each swipe include the bankers, the corporate fud-stores, the gas stations, and anyone else who provides a service for their imaginary pixelated e-con-o'-me.

oh, and those who need an excuse to hate others via team spirit post-voting embeds. . .

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:17 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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update..i have an acknowledgement email form the BLS!

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 05:48 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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update..the BLS have replied with worksheets that provide number of hours and number of employed per calendar year for the 25 years to 31 december 2011. h/t 

Division Major Sector Productivity

 

2 Massachusetts Ave NE 

Washington DC 20212-0001 

202.691.5613  fax 202.691.5664

Bottom line for me is that almost none of the population growth since 2000 has found its way into employment and that the current top 2 sectors are government and health care which, when combined, increased their share of total employment from 17% during CY 1987, to 19% in 2000 and to 22% in 2010. The total number of hours worked for these two sectors increased from 20% to 21% to 25% for the same calendar years. Let me repeat: in 2010 (and 2011), fully one quarter of all work done in the US, is done by the government and the hospital sector. 47 million food stampers are 15% of the total population and are just under 40% (37%) of the 126 million people not employed. It looks like employment is holding up well in retail and hospitality (accomodation and food services) to keep these two (government and health) monsters fed. Aside from Mining (2342 hours a year), Utilities (2198 hours) and Food Manufacturing (2086, the US Government's 40 hour a week, 2080 hours a year makes it the longest hours worked per year of all the 23 sectors. Really? Every Federal Employee works 40 hours a week?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Chapter - It's Free Swipe Yo EBT

 

No further commentary needed..

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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I really see that as satire. But, man, there may be others who see that as gospel. Great God Almighty, truely scary.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:26 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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She created that as satire to expose the system.

 

Why do you think the Sandra Fluke message went viral?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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The BLS got the election all wrong......They should have got these numbers out as soon as possible and increased the as HIGH as possible....this would have HELPED Obama crush Romney....BAD NEWS IS GOOD NEWS !!!!!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment U4 eee aaa
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We need to look on the bright side. With all these food stamps in circulation, the post office should turn a profit this year! WOOOO HOOO!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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No "stamps," but I get your drift. All electronic. These "cards" only deal a winning hand to JPM.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment spooz
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They were designed to fight fraud, in that electronic records makes for easier detection.  Of course, the gub found a way to take care of some croneys, why let a bill go to waste?  Big Ag got a boost from the safety net (crop insurance subsidies) by lumping their corporate pork in with SNAP funding, so why not give the banksters a favor too?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Should hit 50 million plus very soon! 

The process of shifting from a republic to a socialized state takes time. The Unions of Socialzed America is being created.

Bailouts of California and Illinois not too far ahead.

 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment bigkansas
Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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Too bad the fly over states Romney won were insufficient. I'm sure he would have put a stop to this nonsense of providing food stamps in ever greater numbers. :-/

By the way, has anyone drilled down into the distribution of food stamps data? Does anyone know what region of the country, blue states or fly over states, has the higher % of food stamp use?

Just ax-in

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment bigkansas
Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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i wa going to say, you have got to be shitting me 20% in some states? wtf! but somehow that did not seem contextually appropriate!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Jena
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California is under 10%?  No wonder Jerry Brown wants to increase taxes here.  We must be able to afford to pay moar.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Jerry Brown can gradually include all of Mexico and stick the California people making over $250,000 with the taxbill.

The voters just approved...

It's the liberal policy on steroids.

  1. Voters approved Proposition 30 "temporarily" increasing the state sales tax and income tax on individuals making over $250,000.
  2. They voted against Proposition 31 that would allow the governor to cut the budget in fiscal emergencies.
  3. They voted against Proposition 32 would prevent unions from making campaign donations via members' dues.

Any business that can move out of the state should do so now, otherwise you will be taxed to death!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Too bad the fly over states Romney won were insufficient. I'm sure he would have put a stop to this nonsense of providing food stamps in ever greater numbers. :-/

By the way, has anyone drilled down into the distribution of food stamps data? Does anyone know what region of the country, blue states or fly over states, has the higher % of food stamp use?

 

Yeah, because if more victims of current federal economic policy reside in the fly over states that proves that red necks are bad.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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"I still am amazed the majority of people keep paying their mortgage. Especially now with QEinfinity aimed at MBS. Shalom is telling the world he will buy the toxic MBS from the boys so why would someone pay their mortgage if Ben's got your back."

I think the ultimate resolution of the housing crisis might well include a debt jubilee. Not only is the Fed relieving the TBTF banks of toxic MBS to the astonishing tune of $40billion/month, world without end, amen, that form of welfare carries no stigma here at good ol' ZH!

Furthermore, the underlying mortgages are tainted with fraud. The fact is, many people have a perfectly legal right to stop paying a legally invalided mortgage. TBTF banks committed fraud, bitchez.

Deal with it

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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"...that form of welfare carries no stigma here at good ol' ZH!"

WTF?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I wonder if he even knows what planet he's on?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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Reminds me of a joke. If you want to get back on your feet, miss a few car payments. Technically federal income taxes are not constitutional but dont recomend you skip them either. So, stop paying a mortgage and eventurally something unplesant will happen to you.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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While Texas, Missouri and Louisiana are trying to secede... good luck to them I say.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Missouri too?

I sent Tyler the links to Texas & Louisiana this morning...good thing ObaMao got a mandate...or sumpin ;-)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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The New Confederacy!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:53 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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But this time, they have nukes.

Just secede and tell Washington DC if it tries anything, DC and Wall Street are gonna be vaporized.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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I wish to change the name to:  The Constitutional Confederacy  (Cue the racist attacks, like the tea bag attacks, like the occupy attacks.)

This is in consideration of the new Lincoln movie which seems to be about how the Civil War was about freeing the slaves when it was really about states rights.

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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with the food stamp use by state link kindly provided above:

http://chartsbin.com/view/1403

Texas, Missouri & Louisiana have some weaning off the tit to attend to before they leave the nest.

buy hey, I'd vote for 'em to get out of Uncle Sam's basement and make a go on their own!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment hawk nation
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Hope so so indiana can also join the new union 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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No state can secede now. Their share of the US debt will be just too large and their rating will be junk. Everyone is a slave to US debt now.

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Tell the creditors to go screw themselves.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:50 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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Actually any state can. Texas can leave any time. Look it up. Texas actually signed a treaty.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment saints51
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I signed it. I don't expect much from signing it. If it would cause an issue I expect a gift card from the federal reserve to be quiet at my local Wal-Mart.

 

If we can leave I would be happy. I don't care if our credit is junked. Who really gives a fuck about credit. Credit is a bad word. My family and community will be fine. Armed farmers and fishermen. The city folks would likely be bait.  I am dreaming again........

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Insideher Trading
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Altruism is the worst evil.

'Murica is a foregone conclusion where entrepreneurship, creativity, and the desire to want more for ones self has been sacrificed for socialism. Quite disturbing to say the least.

I know how this story ends, I hope I'm not around when it does.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Ayn, is that you croaking from the grave?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Flakmeister, is that you shilling for JPM?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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A wonderful example of your twisted logic Wormtongue....

Only you could connect someone pointing out the obvious Randian aspects of a post with an attempt to shill for JPM....

No wonder the Libertarians and minarchists simply do not get it....

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Only you could look at the real world which is staring you in face and claim that your fantasies have more substance.

 

J.P. Morgan's Food Stamp Monopoly: The More Americans That Fall Into Poverty The More Money Jamie Dimon Makes
Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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 Felix Dzerzhinsky is that you croaking from the grave.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Nyet, nyet, soviet...

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 02:52 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Actually altruism doesn't even exist. It's a made up state for some people to hide the fact that everything humans do has a selfish motive (and there is nothing wrong with that, it's how we survive, evolve and improve).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment AU5K
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Did anyone see exit polls on who food stampers voted for?  Has to be 80/20. 

 

More stampers = more democratic voters.  Really think the democrats want the economy to improve...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:43 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Obamao got 108% of the votes of registered voters in this Ohio county:

 

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/voter-fraud-obama-won-%108-of-registered-voters-in-ohio-county/

Even Saddam couldn't pull that off.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:14 | Link to Comment RmcAZ
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This. I tell my friends and family that we will never see a president or other representatives voted in again who do not support welfare. They think i'm full of shit. As long as the proportion of voters who are receiving benefits is greater than 45-50% or so, then we will keep getting more Obamas being voted in. It's simple really.

At least, until everything collapses.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:50 | Link to Comment spooz
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Oh, please.  All the Republicans had to do was come up with a suitable candidate to defeat an incumbant with the highest unemployment rate since FDR.

And what exactly do you think Obama did with welfare that is so different than what Bush was doing?  Since welfare reform in 1996 it has been up to the states to run their welfare programs, and anyone seeking cash assistance has faced strict work requirements and a five-year lifetime limit. The benefits are not generous and living in poverty isn't pretty.

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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well, if you believe the States food stamps charts are accurate, you might extrapolate. . .

map voting by state:   http://www.270towin.com/

map food stamps by state:  http://chartsbin.com/view/1403

weirdly, the "red" seems to show up in the same states for both charts. . .

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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47.1 million on food stamps + 1.8 million federal employees + 19.6 million state/local employees = 68.5 million.... some of them are probably counted twice...  Obama got 61 million votes...

Figure it out.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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dont forget congress is in the trough too, plus all its aides and the spin doctors/lobby groups..that takes another couple of million..i wonder if any goverment employees are on food stamps too (part timers?).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment spooz
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47.1 million on food stamps, highest unemployment rate for an incumbent to get reelected since FDR, a lame DOJ that gave us no bankster perp walks, expansion of the War on Terror and police state, and all the Republicans can come up with to take him on is a flip-flopping plutocrat.  Almost like the duopoly fix was in.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:03 | Link to Comment tooriskytoinvest
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LIQUOR rationning is  coming to NJ!! One hurricane and NJ is back to third world status. LOL!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/painful_last_call_XAdaU5EuBCh24HyypGA5pK

Craigslist Ads Gouge Storm Victims: $700/Night Outrage!

http://www.newser.com/story/156955/craigslist-ads-gouge-storm-victims-700night.html

Are Markets And Macro Repeating 2008? Gerald Celente (100% Accurate Economic Forcaster) Predicts: Economy TOAST After Obama Reelection And Gold Will Rise To Even More Ridiculously High Prices.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/are-markets-and-macro-repeating-2008-gerald-celente-100-accurate-economic-forcaster-predicts-economy-toast-after-obama-reelection-and-gold-will-rise-to-even-more-ridiculously-high-prices/

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Uhhhh, when wasn't it?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Barry's headed for a catfight with the house.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Conchy Joe
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Guarantees a one party system from now on - food, health, homes all owned by the government.

More than 1/3 with jobs work for the state, fed, city, etc. so they in fact don't produce more than they cost.

Then there are those at the other end of the spectrum - the uber rich that want to see this system continue.

 

The rest - we will all be paying for it - as wage slaves or foot soldiers.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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The Ministry of Plenty has an endless supply to keep the 'proles' fat, dumb, and satiated

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:06 | Link to Comment unununium
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You got that right.  At $75B total program cost in 2011, SNAP is cheaper than 2 months of QE3 bond purchases to keep criminal banks afloat.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment you strawman talking
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Every dollar in Food Stamps adds $1.84 to the economy.

The new normal.

@inspiracy_truth

 

www.inspiracytruth.com

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Conchy Joe
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Seems like it should "add" more than that - admin costs must be 10% -15%, the costs of the actual cards and distribution probobly another 2-3%, processing another 10-15%, the value of the sale counted at 100%, the "jobs created" at the vendor another 50-100%, then since they didn't have to spend that dollar on food - another dollare to be spent elsewhere in the economy.

Factor in the time savings for the people that use them - now they can be more productive looking for a job or otherwise bettering the world we live in - and subtracting out the original dollar and using government math - it should be closer to the $3.00 range.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment hawk nation
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I respectfully disagree since this is a government program the administration cost are probably 30% or more

I have no data to support this statement other than observation of anything the gov does

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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every shit I take adds to the economy too.    Employs several in water treatment plants, toilet paper makers, toilet makers, air freshener makers, bathroom fan makers....i should get a subsidy for every shit i take.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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easy pleasy

 

Worthless tiger fiat is used to place bets on physiological society needs vs. radical democracy changes by forming an ideal moneychanger utopia. :0 

Everlast - Ends

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment dolph9
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Well at this point it's all about avoiding riots.  I suspect this will go on for some time.

You have to understand the American way...bomb or impoverish the whole world so we can have cheese doodles.  

Who the fuck cares about some schmuck in Greece or Spain?  Just keep our own fatties and ghetto dwellers well fed and lumbering through the grocery stores.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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"While Texas, Missouri and Louisiana are trying to secede... good luck to them I say."

The fly-over states, including the 3 mentioned above, may well be sufficiently different from the blue states to justify unopposed, nay, encouraged, secession. Go, and gods bless.

Perhaps their new name should be:

Jaysusstan

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment TheLastMan
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Oh, Snap!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment j-dub
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The scariest thing about that statistic is that in 4 to 8 years, it won't have any effect on a national election.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Repeat after me....
The Goverment is NOT my friend.
The goverment Lies,cheats and steals.
The Goverment can NOT be trusted.

There....now you get the picture.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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Just disgraceful, I fucking hate this.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Ostapuk Ivano
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Why do I even work anymore? I sometimes think that about how much time I would have to do the things I want to do if I just quit my job and went on full welfare.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment spooz
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Yeah, the poor have it real good.  I'd look into the facts and figures REAL CLOSE before you give up your job. The poverty rate for an individual is $11,170 and $23,050 for a family of four. Since welfare reform in 1996, its run by the states and available primarily to families with children, elderly and disabled, and has time limits and requirements for job seeking and training.

Here's one welfare mom's story:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/09/im-a-welfare-mom/

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment max2205
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Try it, you'll like it. But take the blue pill everyday

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment resurger
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yeah! Same here.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Illinois and Califoria are becoming more socialist by the day.

Both states will tax the mofo out of businesses to pay for ever increasing pensions and benefits.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Tango in the Blight
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I AM ENTITLED! WHERE'S MY WELFARE CHECK AND MY OBAMAPHONE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-21JSJkRcw

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment resurger
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i want to be entitled too.. am sick of working, iwant some of that free QE

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment thomasincincy
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7 up arrows and such a cloudy vision... while the "cracker" "redneck" still chanting nigger this nigger that and living in a trailer in the middle of the sticks collecting welfare themselves...jesus..lol 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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I'd rather see food stamps than people going hungry, however...there are many who are on it because they can get it, not because they really need it.

They can sell vehicles and other things, downsize housing if they need.  When bad times occur, adjustments have to me made for survival.  The problem is, in today's world no one wants to sacrifice anything for their own well being.  How many middle income workers' taxes does it take to support the unnecessary food stamp program, money they earned and could probably use themselves?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment spooz
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Part time, no benefits jobs don't leave a lot of room to cut.  A lot of people have already given up on cars if they can and are already living with roommates.  These are individuals making less than $11,170 per year. Also, an increasing number of college students who work at least 20 hours and go to school full time receive benefits, which reduces their debt slightly.

I care more about the corporate subsidies, like the increased ones Big Ag gets with the same farm bill that seeks to reduce food stamps.  Why should the safety net be lumped together with corporate pork?

http://www.appetiteforprofit.com/2012/06/12/farm-bill-jackpot-how-much-d...

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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People say there wasn't hope and change, but there was.

Previously people Changed their underwear, now they just Hope they will, because they cant even afford Wal-Mart prices.

When folks pray 'Hope and Change'....Always stay up wind!

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:46 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Romney spoke of the 47% who don't pay taxes and now we also have 47 million food stamp recipients. On top of that the deficit over the last few years has been running at a pace of $47 billion per working day and the President was 47 when he was elected president 4 years ago. Now all we need is unemployment to go to 47% and the pattern will be complete.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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obama wont be done til everything is 57, to match his 57 states.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Food Stamps? What are they good for? Why do they even exist?

American has had a financial crisis due to years of dubious financial engineering by bankers, wall-street speculators, hedge funds and all the clients they serve. This added to a nation's long road to deindustrialize it's economy by using cheaper foreign labor, both skilled and unskilled. Added to that has been a decade of wars unfunded by tax revenues, but instead put on the national debt, not one penny of these wars and military buildups has been paid for. These three things taken together have crashed the US economy and also led to unrestrained government spending and unrestrained government borrowing.

Food Stamp use is simply a reflection of the collapsed low and lower middle class economy. The solution to the economic and fiscal crisis are simple, but nobody dares begin the process to solve it.

begin by. Stopping unfunded wars, and reduce military spending to what can be funded by tax revenues.

Reduce Social Security payments to all, and means test them to take off the rolls the highest income earners.

Eliminate Medicare and especially medicaid. People will seek their own insurnce on the free market. Eliminate medicare taxes so people can use that to buy insurance.

Eliminate food stamps, flood insurance, crop subsidies and other direct payments to citizens. They will adjust.

Lower taxes on the capital gains, eliminate corporate taxes. These will produce jobs.

 To begin to pay down the deficit, taxes should be raised across the board only after a flat tax has been instituted.  Pick a number, but every living soul will pay a flat percentage of their income from wages. Investment income should be tax free as this is investment in job creation.

Reduce unemployment insurance to 10 weeks to get people to look for work. The wages will be acceptable no matter how low if people have no choice to sit for 2 years and collect payouts for doing nothing.

Raise retirement age to 70. This will free up money to reduce the deficit.

This is a start. If this makes the little people angry, you just need to remind them WHY they ARE little people. We must not waste a good crisis. The welfare state will be ended, and the workfare state begun.

Lastly, raise the standards for disability claims. SS is flooded with lazy people seeking to go on disability payments. This is probably the fastest growing job clasification in the country.

End financial regulations, end environmental regulations. These are job killers and liberal hoaxes designed to give a socialist government power over business.

Give some thought to closing down congress, and let the corporations decide for themselves how they will manage and rule the nation. They create the jobs and thus should have the power to rule. Democracy has nothing to do with job creation as such.

The liberals and takers will either work for the pay they deserve in the free market or starve. This is ordained by god as the way society should be governed.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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its a start..i vote a 35% flat tax rate and a cut of sa third in all spending programmes until debt to gdp is at 40%.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment spooz
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Sorry, but I'm not willing to trust the "free" markets with my health care, and neither does the rest of the developed world.

With the increasing inequality and the continued extraction of wealth from our economy by plutocrats, a safety net has never been more important.

After the Libor and Muni Bond rigging, Corzine/MF Global, JPM's whale, Goldman Sach's muppet baiting, high frequency trade abuse, the markets have lost all integrity, and your answer is to end financial regulations?

Big Ag is ruining our environment with their row crops and toxic herbicides in the current system and you say we should have even less environmental regulation?

You're vision of a plutocracy is certainly not what the majority want, but we may get it anyways since the corporate masters and global elites are working to get us there.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:18 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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the drive is any CAUSE to allow extraction of taxpayer money through that CAUSE into corporate hands.   Foreign aid ends up in Lockheed Martin and Halliburton, food stamps ends up in Wal-Mart and JPMorgan, etc

 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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and medicare ends up in corporate pharma's deep pockets, etc.

the people are merely the conduit, or the taxed base funds, as per usual.

only shallow thinking, divide and rule, believe otherwise.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Yo, CA, when are you going to leave Ummmmerikka again? Eh?

I think it's about that time of year/life! 

On a relatedish note, I'm readyign to leave India again. :-) i've had it witht he Commonwealth.

ori

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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ha, well remembered.  no decisions while that Mercury rolls *backwards* - but I've plenty of ideas lined up, sure.

neptune direct tonight/tomorrow, that's going to bring some stealthy things to light of day, but mercury going retro on "election day" - from sag truths to scorpio deceptions, and back out again, a persephone quest - I'm guessing there will be blood, and it's due before the Dec new moon (dg that merc retro'd at revisited with the secrets out'd, you'll catch my drift)

not surprised you're itching to move, but the question remains, at this time in "history" where does one go but within?

best wishes!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 02:18 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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I know. Strange days. I was shocked with the easy roll-over from Roomba and the Rupubli Cans. I said it that day, it does not feel like it's over....yet. But stranger thigns have happened.

As for me, old cycles are closing, fast. Good stuff. Feel free to get in touch if called. I'd like to dive a bit.

The signal I got was south of the Eq. The with-in is constant.

Meanwhile, watch this:

 

Everyone, this was 1984. Done AND dusted. India too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

Best all around, we need it.

ori

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:25 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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"Eliminate medicare taxes so people can use that to buy insurance."

 Insurance companies will not sell affordable insurance to anyone that actually has a health problem like cancer, heart disease, old age, etc.  It's unprofitable.  They prefer to sell insurance to those that are unlikely to have any claims.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Whoa Dammit
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"Food Stamps? What are they good for? "

They pay for a lot of really nice cutting horses for Ann Walton (Walmart). <snark>


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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All you would have to do, is tell the Fed Central Bank owners to take a hike. Start printing real money backed by the full faith and credit of the US treasury based on PMs , government land, future taxes, school loans and/or hanging all of Congress & the Senate on pay per view.

Problem solved.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Mandatory ObamaEBT for all Americans. I want my QE in gold Bernanke M'fer.

Santa Barbara International Marathon was perfect today. Over 5,000 runners in the 1/2. I'm sure the full Marathon had a lot more than that but didn't check yet. It was really the best day for running and they had people dressed as bears and kittens. I liked the cat women lady. There were bag pipe players, trumpet players, violin and guitar players. The fighter jets flew over for Veterans day. At roughly $100 a pop they had to pull in over a million dollars.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Food stamps are the next reserve currency.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment BattlegroundEur...
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Pffft Food is so 2011.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment AC_Doctor
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The free shit for all game will SOON come to a screaching halt when the US bond markets collapse and interest rates skyrocket.   How many of the 52% of takers will die when the freebies stop?  How many will commit suicide at the though of having to go back to work ( SS recipients also ).  It is going to be an ugly event to witness...

 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:30 | Link to Comment spooz
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Right.  The mythical bond vigilanties.  I'm still waiting four years and 3 QEs later.

And "going back to work"?  More than half of recent college graduates are jobless or unemployed.  Where is all the work?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment AC_Doctor
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Let the takers pick up trash and paint blighted areas to collect a place in the free food lines-no more SNAP bullshit or welfare.  When the interest rate derivatives start to to implode soon, we won't need the bond vigilantes.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment spooz
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Like I said.  Four years later, I'm still waiting.  Seems the central banks never run out of tricks; I wouldn't bet against them.

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