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On Germany's Desire To See America "On Its Knees", And Its "Infantile Crush On Obama"

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When you strip all the politically correct rhetoric, and the carefully sculpted facade is taken off for the night, this is what remains. Via Germany's most popular financial newspaper Spiegel:

"There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".  


With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out.


When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.


For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.


For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power.


The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.


Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

And it gets better - from the official caption of the associated Spiegel photo:

Let the transatlatnic flame wars begin, because the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Full article:

Explaining Germany's Infantile Crush on Obama

A Commentary by Jan Fleischhauer

German schadenfreude knows no bounds, particularly when it comes to the United States. The country loves to feel superior to a superpower like America. Yet Germany also harbors a childish infatuation with Obama -- one which has little political grounding. The reasons are psychological.

It's too bad that Mitt Romney didn't win. If the Republicans had won, we could finally have known for sure that our suspicion of America's imminent demise is correct. "Four more years," translated into the German viewpoint means little more than a "four-year reprieve."

For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out. When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry," as my adversary, columnist Jacob Augstein, furiously argued on Monday.

A Blessing to Live in Germany

What a blessing it is, one must conclude, to live in Germany, a country where the highways are regularly repaired and the washing machines use so little water that one could water the entire Sahara with what is left over. In which citizens' initiatives are formed against McDonald's, and two-bit crime dramas are considered the pinnacle of TV entertainment. If the utility poles here were to snap like toothpicks, then it would be the fault of some natural catastrophe, the likes of which would make a hurricane seem like a gentle breeze.

I don't want to sound like a smart aleck, but does anyone remember when, in December 2005, a surprisingly strong winter storm left 250,000 people in the area surrounding Münster without power for days? Münster and its environs do not want to rule the world. But still, it was strange to see the same experts on TV, who two years prior, during a large power outage on the east coast of the US, had given their reasons for why something like that could never happen in Germany.

The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew.

For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power. In the meantime, Americans brought communism to its knees, rang in the age of the Internet and revolutionized capitalism several times.

The reality is that a quarter of global wealth is still created in the United States. They still have at their command the largest military power on the globe, and will continue to do so, despite all of the talk of a multi-polar world.

The Infatuation with Obama

Above all, the United States remains the largest chosen destination of millions of people in the world. If they had the choice of where they could live, the majority oddly enough would not choose the German DIN standard for happiness, but life in New York or California, where the potholes are as big as gravel pits. That may make people here want to light as many candles as possible, to pray for the downfall to finally come.

The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

Since Obama spoke to the world in front of the Victory Column in Berlin during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2008, he has found a firm place in the hearts of German citizens. They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards.

In the daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, Andrian Kreye correctly pointed out that for Europe, life with Republican presidents is usually easier, because the US then takes the obligations of its alliances seriously.

Obama has no interest in Europe, and all of his attention goes to Asia. If this president calls the German chancellor's office, it is only to try to sweet talk her into finally implementing euro-bonds, so Wall Street can sleep again. But that is one of those facts that is better to suppress.

Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.


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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:24 | 2967954 Zer0head
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seems like Florida has a crush on Obama as well

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2967997 Manthong
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So does that Air Force 1 photo make you think American leadership is moving forward or backward on the evolutionary scale?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:53 | 2968039's picture

I shot somebody last night and just this morning a power line fell on me. Those Germans are really on the mark. Or are they?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:02 | 2968068 magpie
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:32 | 2968328 economics9698
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It’s going to be payback hell with our NWA in the White House, a fiat bust, Germany, China, and Russia all wanting some payback, and us Libertarians hoping to break away and form new countries out of the fascist USA.

I only wish I was 20 again so I could be on the front lines.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:23 | 2968449 knukles
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And those cocksuckers want their gold back.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2968562 economics9698
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lol, yea I want to see that happen.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:28 | 2968825 SgtShaftoe
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Exactly, no fucking gold for you. You're welcome for financing your country's militarily and social utopia for 40 years. no more, fuck off.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:50 | 2969481 GetZeeGold
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Their gold is safe with us...please don't bring up the subject again.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:58 | 2969353 falak pema
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you're making Chavez out to be a true hero : a man who could look around corners before being scammed; unlike Mutti !

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:57 | 2968233 Nussi34
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What do you expect from Germans, who have been and still are brainwashed from socialist teachers & newspapers. They tell them that the state can take of everything better than they can do themselves...

Screw socialist Europe.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:27 | 2968316 Popo
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Wait.  Germans think Americans are fat?  I mean, Americans are f*cking fat.  But Germans seem quite determined compete on that front. 


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:41 | 2968355 economics9698
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I notice when Venezuelans move to America they gain pounds like magic.  I mean there are some fat Venezuelans for sure but they double in size when they get to the land of the $6 value meal (its $12.31 in Venezuela for the same meal). 

We are fat pigs ready to be rolled and the world knows it.  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:52 | 2969483 GetZeeGold
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We kicked the German's asses twice now and they're still popping off at us.


Hey...the third time is a charm. Don't make us do it.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:20 | 2970367 RafterManFMJ
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Go by youself dude. I'm not down for the N.E.W.


Next European War

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:29 | 2968615 Stuntgirl
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You just spewed about Germany the same sort of crap the article spews about the US. Congrats.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:35 | 2969990 Carbine
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After the last century, if we haven't figured out that the Germans are f.... nuts yet, then we're the crazy ones.  After you get past the great cars and beer, they have a very dark side to their character.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:59 | 2969903 JimboSC
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:49 | 2968217 DosZap
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seems like Florida has a crush on Obama as well


It is simply a matter of demographics,and a piss poor candidate on the GOP side.

But mainly the first.There was a surprising study done on the HUGE Hispanic bloc that went O's way.

I would have laid odds on the illegals/immigrant issue.I would have been incorrect,much to my dismay, the factor was Gov handouts.

Plus my view of the Hispanic population at large here, is a largely family oriented, devoutly religious, and a race full of good mores and values has proven incorrect as well.

54% of all Hispanic births, are out of wedlock,this amazed me (why I do not know).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:30 | 2968323 Louie the Dog
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I would have laid odds on the illegals/immigrant issue.I would have been incorrect,much to my dismay, the factor was Gov handouts.


You're absolutely correct.  I live and work in Miami-Dade county.  The majority of hispanics are parasites.  They have no desire to leave their spanish speaking enclave, no desire to integrate into American culture, but every desire to leech off the American taxpayer.  If Republicans want to "reach out" to hispanics they had better have some cash in the hand they reach out with.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:55 | 2969490 GetZeeGold
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It's the Jewish population that swung if for him. They live in Miami and Palm Beach. They don't give a crap about Jerusalem.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:39 | 2968348 Cathartes Aura
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Vote up!

Vote down!


We will never get past this divide until we stop looking at Dem vs. Repub.  We must start looking at all protected voter classes of both Dems and Repubs.


I direct you to Okaloosa County, Florida where 73% of the economic activity is generated by the military bases there.  The average wage is 168% greater than those working outside the military complex.  After 20 years of service, the service man or woman is retired at 50% of their base pay, E-5 around $1500, O-5 around $3500 a month.  Healthcare is provided for $520 a year family, and a Cadillac policy at that.  They shop at government grocery stores, clothes and household good store.  They buy their cigarettes and booze at government discount store, even their gasoline.  They eat at government restaurants.


How do they vote? 


Okaloosa County has 75,550 registered Republicans, 27,835 registered Democrats, and 26,247 registered "others".  In the last election, 74% voted for Romney, 67% voted for Mack IV, and 73% voted for Miller, straight Republican ticket. 


Why did they vote as they did?  After all, they are members of the largest socialize economy in the world.  Why not vote for the Dems?  Because they are convinced that the Dems will cut the military budget and their benefits.  They are no different than the welfare class that is constantly demonized.  They vote for their government checks. 


The waiting for their check meme is not one sided.  It is a great talking point one side uses against the other, but it is not one sided.  The protected classes of both parties need to be looked at equally.


I reckon tsuki has escaped the duality meme.  uh oh.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:44 | 2968360 Cathartes Aura
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and for those that love stats:

Geographically, the majority of Hispanic Republican registered voters are located in South Florida. According to the Division of Elections, 57% (273,000) are in Miami-Dade County alone. By contrast, among the state’s Hispanic Democratic registered voters, a smaller share, 34% (217,000), are registered to vote in Miami-Dade County.

Hispanics have grown from 10.7% of the registered voters in 2006 to 13.9% today. They slightly outnumber black registered voters (13.6%). The share of white eligible voters has declined from 2006, when they composed 72.0% of registered voters. Whites today make up about two-thirds (66.5%) of registered voters, and Asians are an additional 1.6% of the state’s registered voters.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:54 | 2968528 falak pema
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how many true seminole americans left?

That is the only question worth asking?

all the others are furriners! 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2968621 Stuntgirl
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Not many, they are running their casinos at their indian reservations.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:27 | 2968733 Disenchanted
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"They are no different than the welfare class that is constantly demonized. They vote for their government checks."



I've said it before, the military/DoD/Pentagon/defense contractors crowd are the biggest welfare queens going...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:20 | 2968813 Oldwood
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the difference being that our military actually works for their benefits as opposed to handouts. Government employment is a whole nuther subject.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:41 | 2968974 Cathartes Aura
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they may "work for their benefits" but on whose behalf?

(downvote not mine, for what it's worth)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:32 | 2969366 Helvetico
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What?! You dare impugn hour heroes in uniform! If it weren't for them, Iraq wouldn't be a shining example of democracy. Afghanistan would be in total chaos, run by drug lords and religious zealots. Worst of all, Grenada would be Communist, and have a Cuban-built airstrip which the Reds would use to bully St. Kitts and Nevis. 

God Bless Our Troops. God Damn Anybody Who Questions Military Spending!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:17 | 2968436 three chord sloth
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Too many people believe those myths about Hispanics being a plus for the nation, a natural fit for a conservative nation, a moral, hard-working people... blah blah blah. It's all garbage, we were lied to, and now it's too late to fix it.

The truth is Hispanic culture is a third world culture. It's never been anything else. The share-the-wealth dementia runs deep in it, as does corruption, nepotism, and every other nation/state/city-killing pathology human laziness has ever devised.

If Hispanic culture was such a wonderful thing, then why has it never produced a first world nation? A stable, prosperous nation? A non-violent, low crime, rights-based nation?

Walk into your local Cultures-R-Us store and ask the clerk for a generic, discount third world culture... and he'll direct you to the South of the Rio Grand aisle.You can pull any box off that shelf and it'll fit the bill.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:20 | 2968588 rodocostarica
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You do not Know hispanics. Hispanics for the most part are hard working family oriented folk. Sure some suck off the system (like maybe redneck trailer park whites or Detroit blacks) but most are OK.

The GOP needs to understand these folks and reach out or they will continue to get sucked down due to demographics.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:15 | 2968711 three chord sloth
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I lived for many years in California. Sorry, but I DO know Hispanic culture and its effects on the US.

Just for the sake of argument, I will accept your claim that Hispanics are for the most part hard working, family oriented folk... though any group with a greater than 50% illegitimacy rate is pretty much NOT family oriented by definition. My response is "So what?"

Think about it for a moment... most people around the world are hard working, yet most people around the world are third worlders. Most people around the world are family oriented, yet once again, most are third worlders. Most people down through history were hard working, family oriented folk... yet most of them were never more than dirt poor peasants.

My point is this: Being hard working and family oriented are wonderful things; those are necessary characteristics to have if you wish to become a first world nation, but by themselves they do NOTHING to lift a society up off the floor. If those were enough, the world would be a MUCH better place than it is.

The largest difference between the successful nations and the unsuccessful comes down to one thing: culture. The core beliefs that shape the lives of the people. The successful nations' cultures are predominately internal locus of control cultures; the unsuccessful are external. Hispanic culture is predominately external locus of control oriented, and the majority of Hispanics are fiercely proud of their culture and intend to keep it. This is very bad news for America.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:02 | 2968791 Stuntgirl
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Exernal locus of control is a massive issue in how a culture behaves that is not discussed nearly enough.

Unfortunately, an external locus of control is what causes people to be religious, too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:58 | 2968877 DanDaley
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The Mediterranean Catholic countries seem to be much more external locus of control, while in the historically Protestant North, you find much more internal locus of control...they had to be responsible for their own salvation, whereas the Catholics could do whatever, go to confession, say some Hail Marys, and start with a clean slate.  Now, which came first, the internal/external control thing or the religion thing is a matter of dispute. Maybe the Northern Europeans always had to be more up-tight (internally controlled) just to get through those long, bleak winters. Down South, you could always catch a fish or pick a fig. Hey, what, me worry?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 10:04 | 2969643 PY-129-20
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Well, this is certainly not true for Germany. Bavaria is the most successful German Bundesland at the moment. And the majority there is catholic.

North and South? Nonsense. Rome was by far more developed than anything in Northern Europe at the time. Ancient Greece was a powerhouse for ideas and creativity. Having said that, I do not want to glorify these ancient states. Spain and Portugal conquered great parts of the world, while at the same time Germans were considered to be lazy and drinking too much alcohol (well, I wouldn't deny the love for a good beer or vine).

I guess it is more complex than geographical location or religion. Climate and the access to important ressources are of course of  importance. Still, Germany or Japan are both countries that are not considered to be rich in terms of ressources.

Six years ago - everybody was praising Spain and Germany was seen as an aging and crumbling economic power. I remember how often I heard that we must be like Great Britain to be successful again.  It would be a huge failure to assume that Germany is now a succesful economic power.  It actually is in decline like the rest of the pack.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:29 | 2968826 wahrheit
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Another big difference I've noticed with Hispanic and Latin American countries is their tendency to be run by "caudillos" or strongman dictator "Papis" that provide for everyone, more or less, but rule with an iron (sometimes tin) hand.  They also seem overwhelmingly OK with monarchies and have never really had a cultural emphasis on the rugged, self-sufficient individual that seems to pervade in Germanic speaking countries.  Maybe this goes as deep as Protestant work ethic vs. Catholic worship of temporal power holding institutions.

On the flip side I've noticed they're much more group and family oriented, so there's always an extensive support network.  Not my cup of tea, though.  I prefer a society of strong individuals with strong families that don't have 15 levels of relation.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:46 | 2969070 10mm
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Mighty Python,great coverage of Papes vs Prots.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:04 | 2969016 Cathartes Aura
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The largest difference between the successful nations and the unsuccessful comes down to one thing: culture.

the largest difference is the culture of MILITARY SUPREMACY aided by the see-aye-eh type of undermining everything to the benefit of THEIR team.  ever heard of any "coups" in say, Honduras, El Salvador, Argentina, Chile. . . sigh.

search term: United Fruit Company.   the history of CORPORATE control predates amrka even.

you're lucky.  you may live to see a change of "successful first-world" culture meme play out.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 23:32 | 2969126 three chord sloth
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Ah yes, blaming "the past" and "outside interference"... two of the classic hallmarks of an external locus of control mindset.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:25 | 2969548 Escapeclaws
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Successful cultures are ones that have a parasitical financial sector which has managed to buy the government to serve its main goal of raping the successful county's middle class.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:59 | 2971051 swmnguy
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"Successful cultures..."

You mean like yoghurt?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:54 | 2968997 Cathartes Aura
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you might want to do some research on the label Hispanic,

The truth is Hispanic culture is a third world culture. It's never been anything else. . .If Hispanic culture was such a wonderful thing, then why has it never produced a first world nation? A stable, prosperous nation? A non-violent, low crime, rights-based nation?

even wiki acknowledges a few centuries of Hispanic history that predates your amrkn "first world" label, and includes the colonising empires of Spain & Portugal, whose rape 'n' pillaging exploits went down in history. . .

what is of interest, and amusement, is the number of your "first world" fellows currently searching out a good "third world" state to flee to, so as to maintain their status in the manner to which they've become accustomed.

privilege. *nods*

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:36 | 2969388 Lord Koos
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Well said.  

The majoriy of these comments by the ZH peanut gallery/armchair sociologists are ignorant beyond belief.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:08 | 2968906 lasvegaspersona
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not to get all serious and shit but...Robert Triffin discovered the underlying cause of widespread envy/dislike of the USA in 1960!

...the way the system currently works is the we get free shit!!! one else... just us, the USA!!! Our net imports get paid with treasuries...soon to be worthless paper. Even when the paper looked like it might be worth something (someday) it has been an obviously (if you understand how it works, which few do) unequal scam. This system, even if not understood, slowly ate at the brains of friend and foe one will shed a tear as the mighty dollar falls and at long last America becomes like the rest of the world.

I believe that then we will show the world our true character and we will do well.....after a very painful period of adjustment.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:29 | 2969317 Parrotile
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And the magnitude of the "pain", will be significantly enhanced by the actions of all those countries the American 3-letter Agencies have managed to really piss off over the years, by the "usual means" of unwanted regime change, promotion of "Freedom Fighters", and so on, and so on . . .

Unfortunately for the majority of Americans, (those who were "following orders" or not even aware of the clandestine goings on), the pain will be particularly severe.

Those members of the hierarchy who set the agendas will by then have conveniently scarpered to some nice little country where they can live out the rest of their days "in the standard of living to which they have become accustomed". They have NO intention of "sharing the pain", which they deliberately and knowingly have casued.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:01 | 2969221 dugorama
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Uh Spiegel is not a financial newspaper.  More like Time Magazine.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:50 | 2970023 ajax
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der Spiegel (the mirror) is a weekly news magazine not a financial newspaper.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:25 | 2967956 Joebloinvestor
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The German "superpower" didn't last very long and all it took was one maniac leader.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:41 | 2968007 Reptil
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one maniac leader, the moste proliferent pharma cartel in the world (IG Farben, now BASF, AGFA Bayer, Hoechst , a bunch of american banks (Prescott Bush), and some new inventions to register and catalogue people on a mass scale so the "Ausradierung" would work at all (IBM serviced their computers in Germany throughout the war)
sounds familiar?

not so strange... the nazis never lost, they moved (back) to the USA. (Op. Paperclip)

we're all screwed.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:41 | 2968008 Bunga Bunga
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That's why most Germans are cured from the idea of a superpower and a nationalist leader for generations, except some left or right extremists or some wannabe globalist politicians.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:33 | 2968841 robobbob
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"cured from the idea of a (military based) superpower".... and instead opted to follow the Red House Report plan and proceeded to infiltrate America via Operation Paperclip, and to nonviolently take over Europe under the guise of the EU

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:54 | 2968047 blunderdog
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I guess....if you say "Germany" only properly came into existence with Bismarck, it's a flash in the pan.  With a slightly more inclusive view, it was a pretty major chunk of history of the Roman Empire...however, I digress...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:57 | 2968051's picture

Let me be Frank...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:06 | 2968083 blunderdog
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I'm gauled at your behavior here...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:09 | 2968092 akak
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Stop with all this linguistic Vandalism already!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:34 | 2968167's picture

It's OK, Hun, don't worry about it.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2968184 akak
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Ainu you were going to do that.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:25 | 2968306 strayaway
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You guys know all the Angles!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:31 | 2968320 Popo
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Meh... I can't be bothered to get off my ottoman.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:32 | 2968327 akak
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Now don't go Basqueing in smugness!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:37 | 2968486 knukles
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I'm Hungary

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:46 | 2968510's picture





Why'd you say 'Burma?'

I panicked.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:31 | 2968831 wahrheit
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For Turkey?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:12 | 2969514 Incubus
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Sure, if Jamaican it.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:11 | 2970481 Bolweevil
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We have ourselves a wiener!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:35 | 2968170 THX 1178
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We should ostrocize him like a goth.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:50 | 2968219 Carmagnole
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This has Goth to stop!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 02:46 | 2969294 Ctrl_P
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I am czeching out of this thread, the comments are now poles apart from the OP. I hope this is now finnished, without the need to crow at the serbs.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:21 | 2968125 Wolferl
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"Germany" came into existence in 843 when Ludwig the German(!) signed the treaty if Verdun. And btw, "Germany" is just a really stupid and ignorant English name for what is Deutschland in reality.     

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:26 | 2968137 akak
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OK, we'll agree to stop calling it "Germany" when you can get the French to stop calling the United States "Lazy Tots Zuni".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:37 | 2968174 Wolferl
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C´mon, we tried and had them at their balls several times, but then you guys from the US had the stupid idea to help them. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:09 | 2968259 Harbanger
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In retrospect it was a stupid idea.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:04 | 2968899 DanDaley
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My wife is a French teacher and got a big laugh out of that.  

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:53 | 2968227 PiratePawpaw
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Im pretty sure the term "Gaulia Germania" predates the English language. And I have a hunch it's origins are Latin.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:10 | 2968269 akak
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Veritas est.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:46 | 2968363 PiratePawpaw
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Quod ut eram vacuus Vino.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:53 | 2968383 Uncle Remus
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:14 | 2968283 Harbanger
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843 was right in the middle of the Dark ages.  Now Velcome to zee new vorrld ooooder.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:39 | 2968344 mccoyspace
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It was a bunch of warring kingdoms until Bismarck unified in 1871.
Their first superpower ambitions ended in 1914. Not much of a run.
As for all their buried power lines, etc, it helps if you are rebuilding everything from absolute scratch about 60 years ago.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:25 | 2968735 BooMushroom
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I'm pretty confident the USA has more buried power lines than Germany anyway. And more working bridges, too. Maybe they've never heard of "population density?"

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:35 | 2968844 wahrheit
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Seriously.  Texas is bigger than Germany.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:30 | 2968945 Go Tribe
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Always wondered why we didn't save one of the two jap bombs for Berlin. Nothing worse than a condescending German.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:30 | 2967972 Jolly.Roger
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Those crazy Krauts are gonna see their dream come true very soon. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:03 | 2968548 machineh
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If I were a German, I'd resent the US for still militarily occupying my country 67 years after the war was over.

Europe will remain a politically adolescent ward of Uncle Sam until it finally grows the stones to boot NATO out on its ass.

Meanwhile, whining is a good outlet for a continent which still lives in its American daddy's basement and salutes at his command.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:47 | 2968771 ironsky
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Out with Uncle Sam. Give Uncle Vlad a chance.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:35 | 2969053 lasvegaspersona
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look up Triffin's Dilemma, in spite of all the BS I still consider myself a good American. However much of the greatness of America is due to this one issue...WE GET FREE SHIT!!! When it ends then we will see the greatness of the USA unaided by GETTING FREE SHIT!!!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:35 | 2969368 piliage
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At the height of the Schroder Bush pissing match in 2003, the US did want to pull out a bunch of bases. Gerrman mayors begged and pleaded to keep them in Germany.

The Germans right now are bitching non-stop about the US continuing to reject the Kyoto agreement, yet they are now importing more cheap US coal as they decided to shut down their nuclear power production (and continue to block further EU gas exploration). German's carbon output is spinning ever higher, yet the US was the only industrialized nation last year to lower it's carbon footprint due to shale gas development and is now exporting coal and CO2 to the Germans. How does hypocrisy taste, Fritz?

Regarding German 'efficiency', try taking the German ICE train. It will be two hours late, and the wifi won't work.

The cognitive dissonance in Germany is deafening. That said...

"A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry" does seem pretty spot on about the US.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:31 | 2967973 Laretes
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1. This is a comment or a personal opinion piece.

2. To call Der Spiegel 'Germany's most popular financial newspaper' is an overstatement to put it mildly. It is a popular newspaper, but for sure not financial.

We do have an almost infantile crush on Obama though, so much is true. That is certainly because we consider the Republicans to be lunatic raving religious fanatics.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:35 | 2967991 Bunga Bunga
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"Der Spiegel" (engl. the mirror) has more a reputation as a politic gossip magazine.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:46 | 2968029 Jack Sheet
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And the piece is f****ng one-sided. Where is the analysis of how many German jobs depend on exports to the US.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2968037 FeralSerf
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Like the greek consumption of german products, paid for with IOUs.  These chickens are coming home to roost as well.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:43 | 2968201 Cycling Fish
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I'm long Mercedes Benz.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:58 | 2968238 PeaceMonger
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I'm long Glock

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:57 | 2968889 wahrheit
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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:07 | 2968905 DanDaley
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Yeah, but they are all Germans..."Aust-" = southern, as in southern Germans, as in, you know, Australia...southern land.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:57 | 2969002 Jolly.Roger
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Holoc aust

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:57 | 2969003 Jolly.Roger
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Holoc aust

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:06 | 2969338 vic and blood
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You made that up. Sud is South. 'Austria' is not named after any direction. Look it up. Look up folk etymoligy while you are at it.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:56 | 2969435 Wolferl
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Sorry, the Austrian "Aust-" is a version of the German "Osten" which means east. Unlike the "Aust-" in Australia, which is Latin and means south. Austria once has been the "Ostmark" (Eastern border territory) of the Duchy of Bavaria.    

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:41 | 2968006 Jack Sheet
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The ignorance of the German populace about American power politics exceeds only their cluelessness about the puppet masters behind Murkle.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:25 | 2968139 AgShaman
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All lovers of politics share a few things in common

They feel good about getting penned into a moniker that makes them feel part of the group

Democrat...Republican.....the nametags for zombies unwilling to view their "Stockholm Syndrome"

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:11 | 2968911 DanDaley
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Right.  Eric Hoffer nailed it in 1951 in The True Believer on the nature of mass movements.  Short book, total classic.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:41 | 2968497 knukles
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The Republicans are no more lunatic raving religious fanatics than Germans are imperial, genocidal, warmongering, barbarian, drunken perverts. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 02:04 | 2969277 prains
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one in the same i would think

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:37 | 2969576 Escapeclaws
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The reason Europeans focus on "religious fanatacism" is that these so-called fanatics are Christian and Republican at the same time. They believe in taking from the poor and giving to the rich.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:32 | 2967976 Divine Wind
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Yea, but we gotz yallz gold.

Now, Kiss Da Ring.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:33 | 2967983 Jolly.Roger
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Except we don't. 

James Turks guesswork has nothing to do with reality. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:39 | 2968002 Divine Wind
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Shhhhh. That's the big joke.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:33 | 2967981 ssp2s
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What exactly is inconsistent about wanting the demise of America and wanting Obama to be president?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:25 | 2968431 falak pema
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your "neo-conism" is sprouting out of your ears. If the question only imposes one issue as reply then its circular. 

Inverted totalitarianism and monetary fascism, is the legacy of the US neo-cons imposed on the world they have built over thirty + years. Its a recipe for disaster of untold magnitudes on global scale.

That the world wants out from it is a natural and healthy trend; and ZH is not a blogsite that would contradict that thesis, unlike a lot of forum members who post here, drowning in their nostalgia and "embedded" hubris.

For the world Obama is a coloured person rising to the top of a racialist society where the neo-cons have increased the prejudiced divide in the last decades with their "war of civilizations". 

They don't realize he is a stooge of the banksta cabal 'cos they don't understand the reality of US neo-feudalism. But you do and you know that Obama is a surrogate of those very neo-cons who built the banking world that controls the whole political class. SO yes, the demise of THAT America is not a bad thing; the 1% strangle hold. 

Now why don't you come out and agree with that. It would clarify a lot of issues in this mud slinging game.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:13 | 2968568 machineh
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What you don't get is that a 'coloured person' is a demographically perfect stooge for neocons.

Democrats, Europeans, and Nobel Prize committee members love Obama, as he maintains the Guantanamo prison camp, orders drone assassinations, and even murders US citizens.

Meanwhile they narcissistically congratulate themselves on their advanced stage of personal enlightenment for accepting him regardless of race (while totally ignoring his rapacious actions).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:30 | 2968601 falak pema
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I agree we say the same thing. They take him at face value, they believe in his earlier rhetoric. They don't see him in the context of the inner dynamics of a US neocon police state run by the Oligarchs. They don't see him being set up as a Oligarchical political "Uncle Tom". That's very clear. He still appears as MLK's honest son, hostage of WS. 

What they see of USA is GWB and Romney as the bad guys, as WS and GS. They perceive Obammy as the good guy who inherited GWB's crap, not realising that he aided and abetted the scam afterwards, as did Mutti, and as does Draghi.

Europe does not understand the size and complexity of the NEo con financial scam on private banking side; the derivatives pile, just like main stream America! 

When the storm hits core Europe, not just Athens, the blinkers will come off. But it will be too late. The storm will be upon us. 

Unless a miracle occurs; not the Mayan type.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:33 | 2967984 AG BCN
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Germans, no personality, no sense of humour, dull,.......

Another myth about Germany is that it is all nice and clean and modern, in reality most of the country looks like shit.  

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:36 | 2967992 Laretes
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Care to elaborate? Personal experience or judging from a distance?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:47 | 2968031 Bunga Bunga
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Please be kind, maybe he has some lasting damage from a collapsing bridge.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:10 | 2968096 AG BCN
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not a bridge, it was communist apartment block. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:52 | 2968524 Gavrikon
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I live here, and as more and more third world parasites are allowed in here, the more trash one finds on the streets, the more graffiti one sees, and the more crime occurs.  It is still one of the most beautiful places to live I have ever inhabited.  But providing all the parasites with the social advantages Germans used to provide only for themselves, an industrious and intelligent people, is backrupting the country, and has raised taxes to approximately 2/3 of what I earn.  That includes income, social, and sales taxes and fees.

If Germany doesn't pull it's collective head out of its collective Arsch, and stop worrying about being call the "N" Word, it will fare no better in the future than the multi-culti cesspool, the USSA.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:39 | 2968968 knukles
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Yeah, sorta like big American cities like Detroit, etc.

Must be "cultural"

(Now that's not yet been branded politically incorrect, motherfuckers)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:45 | 2968017 Azannoth
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I can pretty much second that from my experience living here, except for the country "looking like shit" it's not but you pay for it with 75% taxes on all income, than again it looked x10 better 20 years ago before all those dirty 3rd world immigrants where "invited in"

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:55 | 2968529 Gavrikon
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Shit, sorry, pal.  I didn't notice your excellent post before I wrote mine.  1000 up arrows!  Germany was a far better place in the 80s when I first got here.  Fuck the goddamned EU!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:15 | 2968061 Cult_of_Reason
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It depends on which part of the country, South vs. North, and East vs. West.

The German autobahns are fantastic and free. I used to drive many times from Frankfurt to Würzburg and multiple times to Zürich often going at ~200-250 km/hr (~125-150 mph). 

Bayern (State of Bavaria) is indeed "all nice and clean and modern" if you avoid big cities for example like München (some areas of München look more like a third world Middle Eastern country [only without the potholes]).

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:43 | 2969370 piliage
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"The German autobahns are fantastic and free"

I'm not trying to be a dick, but honestly, this is seriously one of my pet peeves. The roads in Germany are not FREE. Neither is the healthcare, nor the universities.

You are paying 66% personal taxes (and 18% VAT), NOTHING is free!. You are paying through the nose for it in fact.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:45 | 2969397 Lord Koos
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But you're not going bankrupt when the wife gets cancer.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:37 | 2968962 schadenfreude
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You hit the nail on the haed with stupid prejudices.....perfect example of brainwashed dumbfuck.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:12 | 2970616 AG BCN
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on the "haed" ?


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:08 | 2969341 vic and blood
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Only a fat ugly American could make such a broad generalization.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:36 | 2967987 lolmao500
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Germany is just as fucked as America if it continues to have euro shills and banksters whores as politicians.

Who's on the hook for Greece, Portugal and Spain? Germany.

What happens when these countries go kaboom? Ah yes, the German banks go kaboom too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:47 | 2968367 Bay of Pigs
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Deutsche Bank, another poster child for fraud and corruption.

They even have Blythe Masters onboard now. LOL.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:42 | 2967990 JustObserving
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Germans are better informed about America than most Americans:

"According to a survey conducted by TNS Emnid, one of the largest polling institutes in Germany, nearly 90 percent of Germans do not believe the U.S. government explanation of what happened on September 11, 2001.

The poll was conducted for the German magazine World of the Miracles.

In addition to 89.5% not buying the official 9/11 story, the poll found that 73.7% of surveyed Germans believe that the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy and nearly 80% believe the CIA conducts covert operations on German soil."

Now if they could learn the truth about their gold at the NY Fed.


Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:49 | 2968012 akak
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And yet they STILL can't bring themselves to use personal deodorant, much less bathe on any regular basis.

I recommend that no visitors to Germany ride the buses or subways, especially at times of peak usage, unless they have a strong tolerance for barnyard odors.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:52 | 2968040 Bunga Bunga
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That's the price for not wasting natural ressources on every place for ice cold air conditioning. A little odor is nothing against a hurricane.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:54 | 2968045 FeralSerf
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Some of the Germans claim that it's the Poles and other eastern Europeans you are smelling.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:04 | 2968075 akak
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Hmmmmm ... maybe like their claims that the Poles were the aggressors in 1939 as well?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:24 | 2968130 Tirpitz
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And -- weren't they??

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:32 | 2968155 akak
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If that was not sarcasm, please allow me to direct you to a website more appropriate to your apparent biases:

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:46 | 2968214 Tirpitz
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An excellent link, comrade. But to learn more about the events leading to the repossession of German lands, after the Poles having let several well-meant ultimata expire, you may want to read a bit deeper into such:

Bloody Sunday of Bromberg: Why Hitler Invaded Poland:

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:56 | 2968232 akak
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Yeah, and Hitler was REALLY just a terribly misunderstood statesman who only had peace in his heart and tolerance for all?

Get the fuck out of here with your vile revisionist, pro-Nazi garbage.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:28 | 2968310 Lore
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When you cannot ask questions and look at alternate, reasoned interpretations of a historical event...

THEN we no longer live in a free country.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:34 | 2968322 akak
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You make an unwarranted assumption and a totally illogical argument.

I will not condone the propagation of vicious lies as some sort of ostensible "alternate interpretation of history".  And if you demand that I do, then I demand that you accept the theory that Leprechauns are responsible for every major historical event of the last thousand years.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 00:49 | 2971701 Lore
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You twist my words. All I submit is that no truth should be exempt from examination and cross-examination.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:35 | 2968162 Azannoth
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The Poles where planning to invade Germany for over a decade prior to 1939, the polish generals which where in charge than wanted to create an "false flag" event to trigger this war but I guess they never had the balls to follow through. Germany was ruined after WW1 so the Poles "saw their chance" at "getting even" with the Germans they always hated but as always throughout their history the dumb Poles ended up shooting them selves in the foot instead.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:42 | 2968197 akak
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That is the most outrageous, and intellectually and morally insulting, ball of revisionist bullshit I have ever read.

Nice implicitly pro-Nazi sentiments, though.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:46 | 2968212 Cycling Fish
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Zis iz my last territorial demand..

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:55 | 2968224 Azannoth
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And how do you know? Did you attend a polish school and where forced to learn all it's history? Like I Was!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:59 | 2968242 akak
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One does not have to attend a Polish school (for all that that matters to the subject at hand) to know something of history, particularly recent history, and to recognize historical facts from specious and insulting revisionist nonsense.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:10 | 2968264 Azannoth
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"One does not have to attend a Polish school" so you imply that what's in polish history school books officially sanctioned by the polish government is a complete lie? The average pole knew about Katyn being done by the Russians not Germans loong before it became "offical" history

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:14 | 2968282 akak
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I don't even know what you are trying to say or argue here.

And I don't have a clue what is or is not taught in Polish school history books, nor is it relevant to our discussion.  The truth is the truth regardless of who does or does not teach it.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:30 | 2968321 Lore
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Your truth doesn't have to be my truth.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:37 | 2968345 akak
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Damn, what is this, Neo-Nazi Crackpot Day on ZeroHedge?

I cannot believe that anyone is downarrowing me here for stating the unarguable truth.  Must be just more trolls sent into this forum in the attempt to discredit it, much like the virulent antisemites.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 23:41 | 2969132 dogbreath
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Kake.  Are you off your meds again?

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