On Germany's Desire To See America "On Its Knees", And Its "Infantile Crush On Obama"

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When you strip all the politically correct rhetoric, and the carefully sculpted facade is taken off for the night, this is what remains. Via Germany's most popular financial newspaper Spiegel:

"There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".  

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With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out.

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When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

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For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

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For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power.

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The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

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Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

And it gets better - from the official caption of the associated Spiegel photo:

Let the transatlatnic flame wars begin, because the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Full article:

Explaining Germany's Infantile Crush on Obama

A Commentary by Jan Fleischhauer

German schadenfreude knows no bounds, particularly when it comes to the United States. The country loves to feel superior to a superpower like America. Yet Germany also harbors a childish infatuation with Obama -- one which has little political grounding. The reasons are psychological.

It's too bad that Mitt Romney didn't win. If the Republicans had won, we could finally have known for sure that our suspicion of America's imminent demise is correct. "Four more years," translated into the German viewpoint means little more than a "four-year reprieve."

For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out. When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry," as my adversary, columnist Jacob Augstein, furiously argued on Monday.

A Blessing to Live in Germany

What a blessing it is, one must conclude, to live in Germany, a country where the highways are regularly repaired and the washing machines use so little water that one could water the entire Sahara with what is left over. In which citizens' initiatives are formed against McDonald's, and two-bit crime dramas are considered the pinnacle of TV entertainment. If the utility poles here were to snap like toothpicks, then it would be the fault of some natural catastrophe, the likes of which would make a hurricane seem like a gentle breeze.

I don't want to sound like a smart aleck, but does anyone remember when, in December 2005, a surprisingly strong winter storm left 250,000 people in the area surrounding Münster without power for days? Münster and its environs do not want to rule the world. But still, it was strange to see the same experts on TV, who two years prior, during a large power outage on the east coast of the US, had given their reasons for why something like that could never happen in Germany.

The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew.

For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power. In the meantime, Americans brought communism to its knees, rang in the age of the Internet and revolutionized capitalism several times.

The reality is that a quarter of global wealth is still created in the United States. They still have at their command the largest military power on the globe, and will continue to do so, despite all of the talk of a multi-polar world.

The Infatuation with Obama

Above all, the United States remains the largest chosen destination of millions of people in the world. If they had the choice of where they could live, the majority oddly enough would not choose the German DIN standard for happiness, but life in New York or California, where the potholes are as big as gravel pits. That may make people here want to light as many candles as possible, to pray for the downfall to finally come.

The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

Since Obama spoke to the world in front of the Victory Column in Berlin during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2008, he has found a firm place in the hearts of German citizens. They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards.

In the daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, Andrian Kreye correctly pointed out that for Europe, life with Republican presidents is usually easier, because the US then takes the obligations of its alliances seriously.

Obama has no interest in Europe, and all of his attention goes to Asia. If this president calls the German chancellor's office, it is only to try to sweet talk her into finally implementing euro-bonds, so Wall Street can sleep again. But that is one of those facts that is better to suppress.

Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:24 | 2967954 Zer0head
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seems like Florida has a crush on Obama as well

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2967997 Manthong
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So does that Air Force 1 photo make you think American leadership is moving forward or backward on the evolutionary scale?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:53 | 2968039 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I shot somebody last night and just this morning a power line fell on me. Those Germans are really on the mark. Or are they?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:02 | 2968068 magpie
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...you also founded a religious sect with your credit card and stole a hamburger from a black person. That should make you perfect.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:32 | 2968328 economics9698
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It’s going to be payback hell with our NWA in the White House, a fiat bust, Germany, China, and Russia all wanting some payback, and us Libertarians hoping to break away and form new countries out of the fascist USA.

I only wish I was 20 again so I could be on the front lines.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:23 | 2968449 knukles
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And those cocksuckers want their gold back.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2968562 economics9698
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lol, yea I want to see that happen.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:28 | 2968825 SgtShaftoe
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Exactly, no fucking gold for you. You're welcome for financing your country's militarily and social utopia for 40 years. no more, fuck off.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:50 | 2969481 GetZeeGold
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Their gold is safe with us...please don't bring up the subject again.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:58 | 2969353 falak pema
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you're making Chavez out to be a true hero : a man who could look around corners before being scammed; unlike Mutti !

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:57 | 2968233 Nussi34
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What do you expect from Germans, who have been and still are brainwashed from socialist teachers & newspapers. They tell them that the state can take of everything better than they can do themselves...

Screw socialist Europe.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:27 | 2968316 Popo
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Wait.  Germans think Americans are fat?  I mean, Americans are f*cking fat.  But Germans seem quite determined compete on that front. 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:41 | 2968355 economics9698
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I notice when Venezuelans move to America they gain pounds like magic.  I mean there are some fat Venezuelans for sure but they double in size when they get to the land of the $6 value meal (its $12.31 in Venezuela for the same meal). 

We are fat pigs ready to be rolled and the world knows it.  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:52 | 2969483 GetZeeGold
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We kicked the German's asses twice now and they're still popping off at us.

 

Hey...the third time is a charm. Don't make us do it.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:20 | 2970367 RafterManFMJ
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Go by youself dude. I'm not down for the N.E.W.

 

Next European War

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:29 | 2968615 Stuntgirl
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You just spewed about Germany the same sort of crap the article spews about the US. Congrats.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:35 | 2969990 Carbine
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After the last century, if we haven't figured out that the Germans are f.... nuts yet, then we're the crazy ones.  After you get past the great cars and beer, they have a very dark side to their character.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 11:59 | 2969903 JimboSC
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Barack-Ward.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:49 | 2968217 DosZap
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seems like Florida has a crush on Obama as well

Nope,

It is simply a matter of demographics,and a piss poor candidate on the GOP side.

But mainly the first.There was a surprising study done on the HUGE Hispanic bloc that went O's way.

I would have laid odds on the illegals/immigrant issue.I would have been incorrect,much to my dismay, the factor was Gov handouts.

Plus my view of the Hispanic population at large here, is a largely family oriented, devoutly religious, and a race full of good mores and values has proven incorrect as well.

54% of all Hispanic births, are out of wedlock,this amazed me (why I do not know).

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:30 | 2968323 Louie the Dog
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I would have laid odds on the illegals/immigrant issue.I would have been incorrect,much to my dismay, the factor was Gov handouts.

 

You're absolutely correct.  I live and work in Miami-Dade county.  The majority of hispanics are parasites.  They have no desire to leave their spanish speaking enclave, no desire to integrate into American culture, but every desire to leech off the American taxpayer.  If Republicans want to "reach out" to hispanics they had better have some cash in the hand they reach out with.



Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:55 | 2969490 GetZeeGold
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It's the Jewish population that swung if for him. They live in Miami and Palm Beach. They don't give a crap about Jerusalem.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:39 | 2968348 Cathartes Aura
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tsuki

Vote up!

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We will never get past this divide until we stop looking at Dem vs. Repub.  We must start looking at all protected voter classes of both Dems and Repubs.

 

I direct you to Okaloosa County, Florida where 73% of the economic activity is generated by the military bases there.  The average wage is 168% greater than those working outside the military complex.  After 20 years of service, the service man or woman is retired at 50% of their base pay, E-5 around $1500, O-5 around $3500 a month.  Healthcare is provided for $520 a year family, and a Cadillac policy at that.  They shop at government grocery stores, clothes and household good store.  They buy their cigarettes and booze at government discount store, even their gasoline.  They eat at government restaurants.

 

How do they vote? 

 

Okaloosa County has 75,550 registered Republicans, 27,835 registered Democrats, and 26,247 registered "others".  In the last election, 74% voted for Romney, 67% voted for Mack IV, and 73% voted for Miller, straight Republican ticket. 

 

Why did they vote as they did?  After all, they are members of the largest socialize economy in the world.  Why not vote for the Dems?  Because they are convinced that the Dems will cut the military budget and their benefits.  They are no different than the welfare class that is constantly demonized.  They vote for their government checks. 

 

The waiting for their check meme is not one sided.  It is a great talking point one side uses against the other, but it is not one sided.  The protected classes of both parties need to be looked at equally.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-08/ron-paul-pure-democracy-dangero...

 

I reckon tsuki has escaped the duality meme.  uh oh.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:44 | 2968360 Cathartes Aura
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and for those that love stats:

Geographically, the majority of Hispanic Republican registered voters are located in South Florida. According to the Division of Elections, 57% (273,000) are in Miami-Dade County alone. By contrast, among the state’s Hispanic Democratic registered voters, a smaller share, 34% (217,000), are registered to vote in Miami-Dade County.

Hispanics have grown from 10.7% of the registered voters in 2006 to 13.9% today. They slightly outnumber black registered voters (13.6%). The share of white eligible voters has declined from 2006, when they composed 72.0% of registered voters. Whites today make up about two-thirds (66.5%) of registered voters, and Asians are an additional 1.6% of the state’s registered voters.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/10/01/latinos-in-the-2012-election-flori...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:54 | 2968528 falak pema
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how many true seminole americans left?

That is the only question worth asking?

all the others are furriners! 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2968621 Stuntgirl
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Not many, they are running their casinos at their indian reservations.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:27 | 2968733 Disenchanted
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"They are no different than the welfare class that is constantly demonized. They vote for their government checks."

 

Word!

I've said it before, the military/DoD/Pentagon/defense contractors crowd are the biggest welfare queens going...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:20 | 2968813 Oldwood
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the difference being that our military actually works for their benefits as opposed to handouts. Government employment is a whole nuther subject.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:41 | 2968974 Cathartes Aura
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they may "work for their benefits" but on whose behalf?

(downvote not mine, for what it's worth)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:32 | 2969366 Helvetico
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What?! You dare impugn hour heroes in uniform! If it weren't for them, Iraq wouldn't be a shining example of democracy. Afghanistan would be in total chaos, run by drug lords and religious zealots. Worst of all, Grenada would be Communist, and have a Cuban-built airstrip which the Reds would use to bully St. Kitts and Nevis. 

God Bless Our Troops. God Damn Anybody Who Questions Military Spending!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:17 | 2968436 three chord sloth
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Too many people believe those myths about Hispanics being a plus for the nation, a natural fit for a conservative nation, a moral, hard-working people... blah blah blah. It's all garbage, we were lied to, and now it's too late to fix it.

The truth is Hispanic culture is a third world culture. It's never been anything else. The share-the-wealth dementia runs deep in it, as does corruption, nepotism, and every other nation/state/city-killing pathology human laziness has ever devised.

If Hispanic culture was such a wonderful thing, then why has it never produced a first world nation? A stable, prosperous nation? A non-violent, low crime, rights-based nation?

Walk into your local Cultures-R-Us store and ask the clerk for a generic, discount third world culture... and he'll direct you to the South of the Rio Grand aisle.You can pull any box off that shelf and it'll fit the bill.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:20 | 2968588 rodocostarica
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You do not Know hispanics. Hispanics for the most part are hard working family oriented folk. Sure some suck off the system (like maybe redneck trailer park whites or Detroit blacks) but most are OK.

The GOP needs to understand these folks and reach out or they will continue to get sucked down due to demographics.

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:15 | 2968711 three chord sloth
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I lived for many years in California. Sorry, but I DO know Hispanic culture and its effects on the US.

Just for the sake of argument, I will accept your claim that Hispanics are for the most part hard working, family oriented folk... though any group with a greater than 50% illegitimacy rate is pretty much NOT family oriented by definition. My response is "So what?"

Think about it for a moment... most people around the world are hard working, yet most people around the world are third worlders. Most people around the world are family oriented, yet once again, most are third worlders. Most people down through history were hard working, family oriented folk... yet most of them were never more than dirt poor peasants.

My point is this: Being hard working and family oriented are wonderful things; those are necessary characteristics to have if you wish to become a first world nation, but by themselves they do NOTHING to lift a society up off the floor. If those were enough, the world would be a MUCH better place than it is.

The largest difference between the successful nations and the unsuccessful comes down to one thing: culture. The core beliefs that shape the lives of the people. The successful nations' cultures are predominately internal locus of control cultures; the unsuccessful are external. Hispanic culture is predominately external locus of control oriented, and the majority of Hispanics are fiercely proud of their culture and intend to keep it. This is very bad news for America.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:02 | 2968791 Stuntgirl
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Exernal locus of control is a massive issue in how a culture behaves that is not discussed nearly enough.

Unfortunately, an external locus of control is what causes people to be religious, too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:58 | 2968877 DanDaley
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The Mediterranean Catholic countries seem to be much more external locus of control, while in the historically Protestant North, you find much more internal locus of control...they had to be responsible for their own salvation, whereas the Catholics could do whatever, go to confession, say some Hail Marys, and start with a clean slate.  Now, which came first, the internal/external control thing or the religion thing is a matter of dispute. Maybe the Northern Europeans always had to be more up-tight (internally controlled) just to get through those long, bleak winters. Down South, you could always catch a fish or pick a fig. Hey, what, me worry?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 10:04 | 2969643 PY-129-20
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Well, this is certainly not true for Germany. Bavaria is the most successful German Bundesland at the moment. And the majority there is catholic.

North and South? Nonsense. Rome was by far more developed than anything in Northern Europe at the time. Ancient Greece was a powerhouse for ideas and creativity. Having said that, I do not want to glorify these ancient states. Spain and Portugal conquered great parts of the world, while at the same time Germans were considered to be lazy and drinking too much alcohol (well, I wouldn't deny the love for a good beer or vine).

I guess it is more complex than geographical location or religion. Climate and the access to important ressources are of course of  importance. Still, Germany or Japan are both countries that are not considered to be rich in terms of ressources.

Six years ago - everybody was praising Spain and Germany was seen as an aging and crumbling economic power. I remember how often I heard that we must be like Great Britain to be successful again.  It would be a huge failure to assume that Germany is now a succesful economic power.  It actually is in decline like the rest of the pack.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:29 | 2968826 wahrheit
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Another big difference I've noticed with Hispanic and Latin American countries is their tendency to be run by "caudillos" or strongman dictator "Papis" that provide for everyone, more or less, but rule with an iron (sometimes tin) hand.  They also seem overwhelmingly OK with monarchies and have never really had a cultural emphasis on the rugged, self-sufficient individual that seems to pervade in Germanic speaking countries.  Maybe this goes as deep as Protestant work ethic vs. Catholic worship of temporal power holding institutions.

On the flip side I've noticed they're much more group and family oriented, so there's always an extensive support network.  Not my cup of tea, though.  I prefer a society of strong individuals with strong families that don't have 15 levels of relation.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:46 | 2969070 10mm
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Mighty Python,great coverage of Papes vs Prots.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:04 | 2969016 Cathartes Aura
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lordy.

The largest difference between the successful nations and the unsuccessful comes down to one thing: culture.

the largest difference is the culture of MILITARY SUPREMACY aided by the see-aye-eh type of undermining everything to the benefit of THEIR team.  ever heard of any "coups" in say, Honduras, El Salvador, Argentina, Chile. . . sigh.

search term: United Fruit Company.   the history of CORPORATE control predates amrka even.

you're lucky.  you may live to see a change of "successful first-world" culture meme play out.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 23:32 | 2969126 three chord sloth
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Ah yes, blaming "the past" and "outside interference"... two of the classic hallmarks of an external locus of control mindset.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:25 | 2969548 Escapeclaws
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Successful cultures are ones that have a parasitical financial sector which has managed to buy the government to serve its main goal of raping the successful county's middle class.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:59 | 2971051 swmnguy
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"Successful cultures..."

You mean like yoghurt?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:54 | 2968997 Cathartes Aura
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you might want to do some research on the label Hispanic,

The truth is Hispanic culture is a third world culture. It's never been anything else. . .If Hispanic culture was such a wonderful thing, then why has it never produced a first world nation? A stable, prosperous nation? A non-violent, low crime, rights-based nation?

even wiki acknowledges a few centuries of Hispanic history that predates your amrkn "first world" label, and includes the colonising empires of Spain & Portugal, whose rape 'n' pillaging exploits went down in history. . .

what is of interest, and amusement, is the number of your "first world" fellows currently searching out a good "third world" state to flee to, so as to maintain their status in the manner to which they've become accustomed.

privilege. *nods*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:36 | 2969388 Lord Koos
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Well said.  

The majoriy of these comments by the ZH peanut gallery/armchair sociologists are ignorant beyond belief.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:08 | 2968906 lasvegaspersona
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not to get all serious and shit but...Robert Triffin discovered the underlying cause of widespread envy/dislike of the USA in 1960!

...the way the system currently works is the we get free shit!!!...no one else... just us, the USA!!! Our net imports get paid with treasuries...soon to be worthless paper. Even when the paper looked like it might be worth something (someday) it has been an obviously (if you understand how it works, which few do) unequal scam. This system, even if not understood, slowly ate at the brains of friend and foe alike....no one will shed a tear as the mighty dollar falls and at long last America becomes like the rest of the world.

I believe that then we will show the world our true character and we will do well.....after a very painful period of adjustment.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:29 | 2969317 Parrotile
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And the magnitude of the "pain", will be significantly enhanced by the actions of all those countries the American 3-letter Agencies have managed to really piss off over the years, by the "usual means" of unwanted regime change, promotion of "Freedom Fighters", and so on, and so on . . .

Unfortunately for the majority of Americans, (those who were "following orders" or not even aware of the clandestine goings on), the pain will be particularly severe.

Those members of the hierarchy who set the agendas will by then have conveniently scarpered to some nice little country where they can live out the rest of their days "in the standard of living to which they have become accustomed". They have NO intention of "sharing the pain", which they deliberately and knowingly have casued.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:01 | 2969221 dugorama
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Uh Spiegel is not a financial newspaper.  More like Time Magazine.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:50 | 2970023 ajax
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der Spiegel (the mirror) is a weekly news magazine not a financial newspaper.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:25 | 2967956 Joebloinvestor
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The German "superpower" didn't last very long and all it took was one maniac leader.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:41 | 2968007 Reptil
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one maniac leader, the moste proliferent pharma cartel in the world (IG Farben, now BASF, AGFA Bayer, Hoechst , a bunch of american banks (Prescott Bush), and some new inventions to register and catalogue people on a mass scale so the "Ausradierung" would work at all (IBM serviced their computers in Germany throughout the war)
sounds familiar?

not so strange... the nazis never lost, they moved (back) to the USA. (Op. Paperclip)

we're all screwed.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:41 | 2968008 Bunga Bunga
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That's why most Germans are cured from the idea of a superpower and a nationalist leader for generations, except some left or right extremists or some wannabe globalist politicians.

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