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On Germany's Desire To See America "On Its Knees", And Its "Infantile Crush On Obama"

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When you strip all the politically correct rhetoric, and the carefully sculpted facade is taken off for the night, this is what remains. Via Germany's most popular financial newspaper Spiegel:

"There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".  

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With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out.

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When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

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For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

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For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power.

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The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

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Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

And it gets better - from the official caption of the associated Spiegel photo:

Let the transatlatnic flame wars begin, because the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Full article:

Explaining Germany's Infantile Crush on Obama

A Commentary by Jan Fleischhauer

German schadenfreude knows no bounds, particularly when it comes to the United States. The country loves to feel superior to a superpower like America. Yet Germany also harbors a childish infatuation with Obama -- one which has little political grounding. The reasons are psychological.

It's too bad that Mitt Romney didn't win. If the Republicans had won, we could finally have known for sure that our suspicion of America's imminent demise is correct. "Four more years," translated into the German viewpoint means little more than a "four-year reprieve."

For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out. When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry," as my adversary, columnist Jacob Augstein, furiously argued on Monday.

A Blessing to Live in Germany

What a blessing it is, one must conclude, to live in Germany, a country where the highways are regularly repaired and the washing machines use so little water that one could water the entire Sahara with what is left over. In which citizens' initiatives are formed against McDonald's, and two-bit crime dramas are considered the pinnacle of TV entertainment. If the utility poles here were to snap like toothpicks, then it would be the fault of some natural catastrophe, the likes of which would make a hurricane seem like a gentle breeze.

I don't want to sound like a smart aleck, but does anyone remember when, in December 2005, a surprisingly strong winter storm left 250,000 people in the area surrounding Münster without power for days? Münster and its environs do not want to rule the world. But still, it was strange to see the same experts on TV, who two years prior, during a large power outage on the east coast of the US, had given their reasons for why something like that could never happen in Germany.

The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew.

For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power. In the meantime, Americans brought communism to its knees, rang in the age of the Internet and revolutionized capitalism several times.

The reality is that a quarter of global wealth is still created in the United States. They still have at their command the largest military power on the globe, and will continue to do so, despite all of the talk of a multi-polar world.

The Infatuation with Obama

Above all, the United States remains the largest chosen destination of millions of people in the world. If they had the choice of where they could live, the majority oddly enough would not choose the German DIN standard for happiness, but life in New York or California, where the potholes are as big as gravel pits. That may make people here want to light as many candles as possible, to pray for the downfall to finally come.

The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

Since Obama spoke to the world in front of the Victory Column in Berlin during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2008, he has found a firm place in the hearts of German citizens. They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards.

In the daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, Andrian Kreye correctly pointed out that for Europe, life with Republican presidents is usually easier, because the US then takes the obligations of its alliances seriously.

Obama has no interest in Europe, and all of his attention goes to Asia. If this president calls the German chancellor's office, it is only to try to sweet talk her into finally implementing euro-bonds, so Wall Street can sleep again. But that is one of those facts that is better to suppress.

Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

 

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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:25 | 2969549 Incubus
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I'm an unrepentant antismarmite.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:41 | 2968354 Azannoth
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Don't feed the Schills

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:54 | 2968663 Henry Hub
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Truth is a jewel of many facets.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:30 | 2969559 Incubus
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So is the kitchen & bath department of your local home improvement store.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:47 | 2969371 piliage
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And yet this is all posted under an article supporting the position that 9-11 was a conspriacy? If the shit fits...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:32 | 2969465 Azannoth
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"The marshal knew immediately what was coming, and thus proposed that Poland join forces with France and launch a preemptive strike against Germany. .. defense minister [] called for Britain and France to both assist in a preemptive attack"- Don't belive me, it's on frigging Wikipedia

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:08 | 2968087 Azannoth
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+1 I think 25%-50%+ of people you will meet in Germany on public transport systems are foreigneirs

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:51 | 2968221 noses
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Correct - and we all know that one American will make an entire train uninhabitable because they still didn't learn how to change their underwear.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:57 | 2968533 Gavrikon
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With all due respect, you are full of shit.

Unless, of course the car in which you are riding is full of Turks, Pakis, Arabs, or Africans.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:41 | 2968973 schadenfreude
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Nice derailing you stupid fuck

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:09 | 2969343 vic and blood
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Surely you are describing Turkish immigrants.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:47 | 2968213 mayavision2012
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@justobserving -

Hopefully, that Truth will see the light of day at the ICC for Bush/Cheney/Itnl Banksters/MIC et. al. :

"The 9/11 Toronto Report" was just published http://www.amazon.com/The-9-11-Toronto-Report/dp/1478369205/

(Quote) November 9, 2012

From the back cover: This volume is the final report issued from the International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001, held in Toronto, Canada. Over the four days of the Toronto Hearings, noted authors and scientific experts presented the best evidence gathered in the previous decade to a panel of distinguished individuals whose opinion on the strength of the evidence should carry considerable weight in the public sphere. The four panelists were: Ferdinando Imposimato, former Senior Judge and Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy; Herbert Jenkins, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at McMaster University, educated at Oberlin College and Harvard University; Richard Lee, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at the University of Toronto and Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, previously positions at Harvard, Rutgers and Columbia University; and David Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Urban and Regional Planning at the University of Tennessee and former President of the U.S. Fulbright Association, educated at Yale and Cornell. Much of the evidence these panelists heard and questioned during the Toronto Hearings is presented in the opening chapters of this report. Following the evidence, each panelist has presented his findings, conclusions and recommendations based on the evidence. Panelist David Johnson noted that much of the evidence, “ignored by the mainstream media, cries out for a wider audience and a rigorous but fair review by independent authorities,” and that a “new, honest investigation conducted with subpoena powers should be empanelled to look into whether such crimes might have been committed.” Herbert Jenkins found that previous U.S. government investigations of 9/11 “were designed not to understand what actually happened, but rather to defend the official account, which they did by selective omissions and distortions of the evidence” and believes that “without a more open government, [there is] no way to repair the profound distrust of government that now cripples democracy in America.” Richard Lee said that the Toronto Hearings were “extraordinarily effective in presenting carefully compiled scientific evidence that casts serious doubt on the veracity of the official story” and was “impressed by the seriousness of the witnesses, their willingness to submit their evidence to scientific scrutiny and evaluation, and their challenging the authors of the official story to refute the evidence presented.” Ferdinando Imposimato held that the best course forward to achieve justice is to “submit the best evidence concerning the involvement in 9/11 of specific individuals to the International Criminal Court Prosecutor and ask him to investigate” and names potential targets of the ICC investigation. The opinions of the Toronto Hearings panelists make a clear and unmistakable case that the official account of 9/11 is false, and that the only way to realize truth and accountability is to tear down the wall of secrecy and lies that has been erected by the United States government around the events of 9/11.

(Unquote)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:38 | 2967998 HD
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I'm not a fan of dropping famous quotes we've all read a thousand times but I'll allow myself this one:

  "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else" -Winston Churchill

Call me naive - but somewhere deep down, as much as believe America is up to its chin in bullshit - I think Americans will pull themselves together, and dig themselves out before the whole damn place comes apart. I hope this isn't just wishful thinking - we'll see soon enough.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:45 | 2968024 AgShaman
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thumbs up for such high levels of optimism

p.s......don't read the soylent green, er....food stamp thread

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:46 | 2968028 Stranded Observer
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I thumbed you up because I can use a little hope this morning.  Call me naive too.  But maybe. . .just maybe. . .

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:01 | 2968067 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I can use a little hope this morning

 

Try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_w3UG6C_Mo

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:09 | 2968090 Stranded Observer
Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:26 | 2968311 newworldorder
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Re - HD

This was possible from the WW2 generation, but not true of the generations living in the US today. Except for those in Uniform, I dont see much understanding of what is left of our Democracy. Multiculturalism and unrestricted immigration will be the majority political will shortly.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:39 | 2967999 kito
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population of germany: 81,000,000

number of americans who own at least one firearm: at least 90,000,000

 

keep dreaming germany, keep dreaming..............

 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2968036 bank guy in Brussels
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Germany has 25 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles

Surprise! We actually have lots of private civilian guns in Europe. ... Even shooting clubs here in Brussels ...
In our little Belgium: 2 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles

France: 19 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles ... And so on.

We do not carry them around, or have as high gun ownership rates as in the US, but there are probably 100 million plus private guns in Europe.

Yes, the crazy UK Brits confiscated all privately owned handguns in the 1990s - But they are extremists. It is not like that on the Continent. Here we know the Nazis can come back, they were here before.

Facts of gun ownership and policies in countries around the world:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:57 | 2968052 FeralSerf
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Aren't the handguns and rifles mostly rimfire?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:18 | 2968059 Azannoth
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http://forum.waffen-online.de/index.php?showtopic=424962

This German forum for gun fans says between 5-10 million(legal guns) owned mostly by licensed hunters who have 5-10 guns each, that leaves about 90%+ of the population without an access to a gun.

http://www.welt.de/politik/article96595/Schusswaffen-in-Deutschland-Frag...

This site says 10mil(Police estimate probably on the high end) guns +15mil "weapons"(without license) a "weapon" without a license in Germany means an air-soft or fake guns(not a real weapon)

There are shooting clubs sure but in a city of 5mil(where I live) you have like 5 major shooting clubs with 1,000 members each but I guess it "qualifies"

In Germany if you are caught(and you will because everybody snitches) with as much as a single shot Air-gun in "public"(even in a forest) you will get an anti-terror(SWAT) on your ass in minutes

by law you are not even allowed to use Air-rifles(or any long ranges weapons) in your own backyard and police will be there in minutes after a neighbor snitches on you, they will take all your "weapons" raid your home ban you for life from legally owning any gun and give you a (suspended - if lucky) prison sentence and a few thousand € fine.

The Only country in Europe with real gun rights is Switzerland.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:51 | 2968220 mrks
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> The Only country in Europe with real gun rights is Switzerland.

That's not exactly true. Just looking at the neighboring countries, Austria has gun laws more liberal than some states in the US (like NJ or CA) and I think the Czech really like their guns too. France is mostly limited by the amount of ammunition you can store (1k rounds or something like that?) and Italy has some retarted policy regarding "military caliber" like 9x19 or .223, but other than that... Sure, gun ownership isn't a consitutional guaranteed right in most countries, but in many European countries it's, just as an example, way easier to legally purchase a surpressor or an SBR than it would be in the US with all their BATF rules.

Besides the UK, I think it's Germany that has the most stringent gun laws in the EU. The other countries are quite relaxed to be honest, other than having to apply for a permit for semi-auto guns and rifles and (in some places) very hard to obtain carry permits.

And then of course there's Switzerland, but you already mentioned that.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:07 | 2968261 DosZap
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You take Switzerland,thanks, I will KEEP the USA.

Most men under 30 in Switzerland, and many women, are members of the militia. They receive basic military training at age 20, and then annual training camps. Each militia member keeps his personal weapon at home until he leaves the militia.

Guns must be kept locked up in an approved case, and the military police have the right to enter any militia members home at any time to ensure that it is.

Ammunition is sold - at a greatly subsidized price - at government licensed shooting ranges, but it must be used there. No-one except police and members of certain military 'rapid response' units is allowed to have ammunition at home.

Ownership of private 'long guns' is pretty easy to get - a 'weapon acquisition permit' can be had by any adult with no criminal or mental health history, and after you have a permit you can buy guns freely.

Ownership of handguns is very tightly controlled, and "carry permits" are in general issued ONLY to security officers.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:00 | 2968543 Gavrikon
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And yet, with that gun ownership, there are hardly ever any gun crimes.  But that's changing, due to third-wold immigration.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:43 | 2968204 kito
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glad to hear bank guy...................im all for any populace to be well armed..........its the last bastion of defense against a repressive government...............

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:54 | 2969335 Parrotile
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Which is why Tony Blair was SO keen to ban UK Handguns - after the so-called "Hungerford Massacre".

The chap "doing the shooting" had a gun licence issued by the Police.

The Police "overlooked"  the fact that he was (allegedly) mentally unstable when the issued the licence.

Don't seem to remember ANY blame being laid at the door of the Chief Constable. Wonder why not.

Can't have "the little people" wishing to effectively impose their will on proceedings, can we . . . . .

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:53 | 2969403 Lord Koos
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The problem with the guns in America is that we use them mostly to shoot other Americans.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2968180 Urban Redneck
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Apples should not be compared to oranges.

number of americans who own at least one firearm

I may be on the high end for the US (or at least used to be), but I could arm an entire platoon of unarmed neighbors if need be

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:45 | 2968208 kito
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yes urban, good point.............. there are probably close to 300 million firearms owned by private u.s. citizens...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:57 | 2968234 DosZap
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I may be on the high end for the US (or at least used to be), but I could arm an entire platoon of unarmed neighbors if need be

 

Uh, if you could do that, you definitley would be.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:06 | 2968552 Urban Redneck
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When I was living in the US, I would inevitably have to chose between competing estate/garage sales that happen every weekend where collections of over a hundred firearms were being auctioned, so I don't think it is that rare.  My impression is that there are three groups of gun owners  1-2, 10-15, and 50+.  If someone actually hunts (or just lives in a true rural area) then they probably have at a dozen or so firearms.  If they actually collect firearms (instead of beanie babies or Elvis plates) then time matters, I started as a teenager and probably averaged one every other month.   I think the true outliers are people like CR Knight who are at warehouse-scale instead of a handful of gun safes.  That said- living in rural or even ex-urban area both facilitates and is conducive to multiple gun ownership.

BTW the ATF paperwork headaches for a title 2 weapon make the Swiss fetish for proper paperwork seem prudish, and I can't imagine that it's getting any better after Nov 6.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:21 | 2968727 stormsailor
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i like the mka-1919 12 gauge,  with about 10, 10 round 3in magazines.    become a squad all by yourself.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:49 | 2968216 noses
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Why would one need weapons? Those warriors of "the greatest nation on Earth" don't even get Afghan camel-fuckers under control. I guess a handful of stones should do nicely, they're sufficient against small dogs, too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:49 | 2968218 molecool
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Doesn't matter if you're 5,000km away ;-)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:47 | 2968985 schadenfreude
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And you really think firearms help you ? Your enemy is not Germany, but the dictatorship of USA. Good luck fighting drones.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:39 | 2968000 Azannoth
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Germans see Obama's Presidency as nothing more than Schadenfreude(Hubris), they want to see America FAIL because a strong Capitalistic America flies in the face of what Socialists believe in.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:50 | 2968034 magpie
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No, they 'only' want America to be more Euro, more socialist. That's what the 93% for Obama mean.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:32 | 2968619 Old Europe Avan...
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On the other hand what would have been the alternative? Romney? Sure in theory, but given he was right about the 47%, it was clear that it would never happen. Basically the US is already to much "socialist" to vote for the hard parts of the values your country once stood for.

But face it, the Germans don't care about how the US should be inside. What they care about is you guys stopping to bully everyone around on the planet and still occupying our country. Simple as that. Get the hell out and then we happy with whatever you do at home.

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:06 | 2968084 Wolferl
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Schadenfreude is not Hubris.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:07 | 2968086 blunderdog
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Shaddap!  You don't speak 'Merkin.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:08 | 2968691 Henry Hub
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The Germans are so lacking in the need to relish in the misfortune of others that they don't even have their own word for schadenfreude. They have to use the 'merican word.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:25 | 2968138 Azannoth
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I meant it more in a philosophical sense where it's a Hubris of a World View not of physical conquest

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:01 | 2968248 MsCreant
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Enjoying the suffering/misfortune of (stupid) others is certainly a kind of hubris.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:51 | 2968376 falak pema
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yes honey and money don't mix.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:50 | 2968373 falak pema
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no its tribalism.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:05 | 2968547 magpie
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No, it's actually exactly the opposite, though its chauvinism can be easily mistaken for it - it's a mere aftershock of Europe's high culture exceptionalism of the last two centuries, the snobbish sneer of Kultur now in a (last) leftist incarnation against the colonial rubes and mobs.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:44 | 2968200 noses
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"Capitalistic America" with more than 50% of the population living out of the state's pockets? You must have been smoking something wrong.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:48 | 2968356 falak pema
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you obviously don't know how to count :

The 99% live off 20-30 %  of national wealth the 1°% live off 70-80% of national riches.

When you understand THAT you'll understand where the first world is heading : NEO FEUDALISM.

So stop bitchin about the 50% who live off the entitlements; its chicken feed in the world order of things.

The first world is heading towards the political system of the BRIC world of China, Russia, Brazil and India! 

Do you know what that regression means...? 

Its the end of democracy. All you guys who believe in neo-con order are the true sheeple of world neo-feudal order.

The return to the dark ages of economic, political and ideological obscurantism; forget Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and all those who followed. Tribalism bitchez!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:40 | 2968004 loveyajimbo
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Makes sense... Obongo would likie to see America on its knees too.  We are now officially a nation with a majority of drones, illegals and assorted morons, led by the most corrupt administration since Caligula.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:43 | 2968009 buzzsaw99
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Damn, and I just bought a compete set of Wolfgang Puck cookware. (Austrian, German, same same to me.;)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:56 | 2968049 Bunga Bunga
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To all Americans: immediatly trash your Audi, BMW, Volkswagen, Porsche, Mercedes. Those cars are shit anyway.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:04 | 2968077 Wolferl
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Of course, since Austrians ARE Germans.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:55 | 2968230 mrks
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From personal experience, I'd say most Austrians would beg to differ...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:01 | 2968249 akak
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Bah --- they're just like the Canadians, who are nothing but Americans with an identity crisis.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:16 | 2968716 Henry Hub
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Canadians identify themselves as not being American.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:21 | 2968726 akak
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They do try their desperate best to cling to that 0.1% difference that separates them from their southern brothers, don't they?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:58 | 2969406 Lord Koos
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The average Canadian household is in the black for around $45k.  That's a big difference right there.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2968011 Questan1913
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"There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".

 

"The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans"

This article is confused and contradictory.  Those two paragraphs cnacel one another out and are mutually exclusive.  If the assertion that the Germans want to see America on its knees is true, then 93 percent of Germans "would vote for Obama"  must mean that they think Obamma will run America into the ground, fullfilling their desire.   It can't mean that they would vote for Obama to run Germany can it?  Maybe I'm missing something here.

"Religious Zealotry"??  Where?  That must be a misprint.  Statist zealotry abounds.  Marxist zealotry is definitely ascending.  Neo-pagan zealotry is rampant. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:07 | 2968262 MsCreant
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The article is claiming that it is a seeming contradiction. They are buying an Obama image, not reality. He seems tall, thin, sophisticated, multi-racial, multi-cultural. Bush seemed like a narrow, illiterate, retard.

And yes, we look like religious zealots to me...nationalist ones too..blind nationalism, really creepy eerie stuff.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:21 | 2968296 DosZap
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And yes, we look like religious zealots to me

How so?, we have freedom of, and freedom from.Basically we are a house divided ideologically, and a far right, and far left.

Surprisingly 6.4 million SO called evangelical Christians voted for Obama, personally I doubt they are either evangelical or Christian.

85% of Muslims voted for O, and blacks at least 85%+,Hispanics by a HUGE margin,single white females,and many more married white females also.

We need to separate into two camps, and part amicably,with freedom to move to & from as our idea's values, and mores change.

This would prevent another Civil War,coming at break neck speed the way I see it........and one wanted,I fear by the PTB.

Blue states to blue, and Red states to red. Would solve a ton of problems.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:38 | 2968630 Old Europe Avan...
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Are you kidding? You have a 2 party system, the polls are always about 50:50 and each candidate always tries to win the middle. There is no practical difference between whom ever you are allowed to vote between. It's a f***ing big show about nothing.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:59 | 2968674 Stuntgirl
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Europeans in general can't wrap their minds around the concept of creationism being taught at school as an equally valid "theory" to evolution.

I'm not judging, just trying to provide insight on one of many reasons why yes, indeed, most europeans think Americans look like religious zealots.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:23 | 2968933 Acet
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Actually we do get taught creationism and other Religious subjects at school in Europe as part of High-School classes with names like "Religion and Moral". In our High-School Biology classes we study amongst others the Theory of Evolution.

It's the part were Americans get taught creationism as part of Science classes that to European eyes projects the image of a nation of devolving religious nutcases.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:52 | 2968993 schadenfreude
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Europeans simply keep religion and politics seperated.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:17 | 2969037 Cathartes Aura
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head asplode time:  George P. Bush, Dubya's nephew, getting ready for the future,

The 36-year-old said in September his goal was to run for office and acknowledged that he had his eyes on several statewide offices.

Raised in Florida, Bush decided to settle in Texas, home to his uncle and his grandfather, former President George H.W. Bush. He runs a consulting firm and has been active in Republican Party outreach to college students. He's also the co-founder of Hispanic Republicans of Texas, a group that seeks to elect Hispanic candidates.

Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chairwoman for John McCain when he ran for president in 2008, tweeted her enthusiasm Thursday.

"Wrote check for my friend, (at)georgepbush newly formed exploratory committee for office in TX. Young, pragmatic, Hispanic, just what GOP needs," Navarro's tweet read.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/09/george-p-bush-nephew-former-p...

fox news intentionally chosen link.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:42 | 2968013 orangegeek
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It's not just Germany, it's all of Europe - one mass of land full of socialists.

 

And rather than look in the mirror, socialists are trained to continue to criticize others with anything they can find or make up.

 

And Barry is a lame duck President who has no control over the house and no ability to compromise.

 

Don't look now Germany, isn't that France emptying your bank accounts?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2968035 Azannoth
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Germany's people are like a constantly beaten dog who accepted it's fate and the best it can do about getting another wallop is to wag it's tail and pretend the master is doing it for a justifiable "reason"

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:21 | 2968725 Henry Hub
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In that case the German people sound a lot like Americans

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:43 | 2968015 tmosley
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Yes, clearly not wasting money by burying powerlines is a sign of decay.  Nevermind that we never did that.  Socialist nonsense.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:40 | 2968635 Old Europe Avan...
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Well from what I heared, the folks without power (after Sandy) would have been pretty happy about some decent infrastructure. Just saying.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:43 | 2968016 M.B. Drapier
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A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

I wouldn't want to defend the state of US infrastructure as a whole, but it's worth pointing out that important parts of the US are significantly more prone to earthquakes than Germany...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:45 | 2968023 dolph9
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Right but who is going to keep leasing the Bimmers?  The Chinese?

Yeah, good luck.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:51 | 2968038 Winston Churchill
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The German's are far from alone in this wish.

It's actually hard to name a country in the world whose

populace is not thinking this same way.Torture ,and indiscriminate

murder from the air tend to engender such sentiments.

The hubris of empire gone to insanity.With Obummer playing Nero

in the tragi-comedy.

Its so very sad to be watching this first hand.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:17 | 2968115 Tirpitz
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Now, let's google "who rules America," and take a closer look at them German brothers under siege.

The Morgenthau plan, the war against the entire white race, is on.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:43 | 2968202 YuropeanImbecille
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Sadly the zionist-satanists have the upper hand here, as the whites continue to serve the darker subhumans via wealth transfer.

 

 

 

[/narc]

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 14:59 | 2968060 kentmills
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Schadenfreude bitchez!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:01 | 2968066 Atomizer
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Help!! Our tax base is eroding. We have our butterfly nets out in hopes to snatch another foreign revenue generating stool pigeon. After we convince them over ivory towers riches, contractual law will prohibit any further business association under their field. After we put the butterfly out of business, we take over complete business operations.

 

Wash, rinse and repeat

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:04 | 2968074 blunderdog
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I suspect it's very difficult for a life-long resident of ANY European country to have a good *intuitive* grasp of the sort of multi-polar chaos that is the USA.  We have very little in common with the Euro states HISTORICALLY, so what seems so "obvious" in a much smaller and more homogeneous society just doesn't map very well onto the US.

I'd say trying to imagine some kind of amalgamation of a Euro-state and INDIA would be a useful exercise.

I certainly can't blame anyone on Earth for hating us for our "leaders."  We do really manage to elect the worst of our fantasies every. single. time...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:44 | 2968643 Old Europe Avan...
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Part of it comes form the fact that the US is always sold as a melting pot. But from person experience I would say it isn't. Ethnicities stick together and seldomely mix.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:04 | 2968076 JR
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Spiegel’s definition of America, obviously unrepresentative of the German people, is like Time Magazine’s definition of Germany.

IOW, it’s a waste of paper – 100 percent wrong, 100 percent insulting. Newsweek’s gone; and it’s only a matter of time before Time magazine will be gone.

Der Spiegel (The Mirror)is Germany’s Time magazine, mimicking it in everything, one of the Establishment’s favorite press organs, with a history of German-guilt-bloating news.

In fact, it mimics Time magazine in everything, even to becoming the Jewish intellectuals’ favorite press organ, and, as some have said, it has a history as “the relentless defamer of all postwar patriots…and veteran soldiers and officials with orchestrated hysteria campaigns to demand they be ‘brought to justice,' even at age 90 or more.”

Even currently its website runs a picture of Hitler and the swastika.

It is well to remember that Germany is not a free country.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:16 | 2971230 supermaxedout
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Well said JR. I have the same opinion from the Spiegel. Its a dirty piece of mind pollution.

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:08 | 2968089 falak pema
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all this mutual hate slinging is like an effete first world drowning in its own secretions.

I guess both sides of the pond we need shock therapy and this capitalist cataclysm will crystallise things for decades.

What war removed over five years of mayhem and ten years of reconstruction we now suffer in twenty thirty years of attrition.

Maybe that is what decadence is all about, dying by a thousand cuts. 

God that makes me hungry! 

May Obama now show his true face to the Universe; but after I've eaten my dinner! 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:09 | 2968095 Tirpitz
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"They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards."

Maybe it has become a bit lonely on the high throne of Auschwitz -- and now the emperor of Guantanamo took his rightful place just on her side...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:48 | 2968651 Old Europe Avan...
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What honor? This idiot was using Berlin as a stage to fake some foreign experience/look statesman like. Sure there was a number of spectators there, but then there are more people attending Love Parade (techno music street parade) at the very same place.

People don't forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open, but with Romney as the only other valid option, what do you expect? Romney was ment to lose and that he did well.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:11 | 2968098 Muppet
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Germans may find us troubled but at least our porno doesn't end with the guy pissing on someones face.    Well okay, not most of our porno.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:20 | 2968122 blunderdog
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Point granted, but we never produced an American version of Marlene Dietrich here, either, so that's a wash.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:28 | 2968145 Tirpitz
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Billary Glinton won't qualify?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:26 | 2968307 MsCreant
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Mae West?

More so, Madonna?

Lady GaGa?

For the time, relative to the cultures...??

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:36 | 2970277 blunderdog
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I was struck by the combination of *intelligence* and sluttiness.  We've been pretty good with the slutty bit, but not so well with the same intimidation factor of 'ho who would beat you at chess.

Madonna's probably the best American approximation "in real life," but she never really played it up as part of her commercial appeal.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:28 | 2968144 noses
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I always thought that's what your Homeland SS was created for. And if they are too dumb to piss they can always use their military-grade pepper spray.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:00 | 2968246 Nussi34
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What no pissing? Who would want to watch such lame pornos?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:12 | 2968271 akak
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I thought Germans were more into the scheisse thing.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:15 | 2968108 Neoisolationist
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Just saw this one and thought I would share.

 

http://socialismisnottheanswer.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/9109/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SocialismIsNotTheAnswer+%28Socialism+is+not+the+Answer%29

 

Seems like a treason charge against Obama was sent to the director of the FBI on 8 November. The person who submitted the complaint is a retired naval officer. Probably just a rabbit for the military. Submission of this is unprecedented, and interesting.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:31 | 2968744 Henry Hub
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Don't tell me someone is going dig up this old, dead whore and try to fuck her again. Come on man!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:16 | 2968112 stant
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in the long run we are all dead mutter frecken

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:20 | 2968121 max2205
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Stuff youre shitty BMW's up you're collective asses please

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:21 | 2968126 kevinearick
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Ohio & Germany

SO, my stupid, lazy, conniving, a-hole family in Ohio and Germany f-ed everyone again. Surprise, surprise.

If you don't want to listen, at least don't argue.

If you want to listen, you will learn to employ the empire's weight against itself, as an individual. You cannot escape its gravity as a group. You employ explicit democracy implicitly. D & R is a tag team, with all the rules made in its favor. As a couple, you take turns being the focus of its crucifiction.

I don't have to know who or where you are to crush you, if you belong to any type of group.

Get the Friday addition of the WSJ. Underline the relavant passages for the next 6 months. 6 months from now, go back and see how you did. If you want stupid, reach out for a journalist.

I'll start you out: "There are probably 18 to 20 people in the [US] who have the fundamemal skills..." " The devices targetted by Stuxnet, called programmable logic controllers..."

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:25 | 2968136 Motorhead
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What, are they only now pissed off that they are missing their gold?  The joke's on you, Deutschland.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:25 | 2968140 noses
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All it takes is a loony blogger in "Germany's most popular financial newspaper"' (which it is not, that would bet the Handelsblatt) to get the the fat and hypocritical religious cracknuts with atomic weapons who are terrorizing the entire world with their political assasinations using rc toys foaming at the mouth. Where's my roflcoptor? All these comments just proved that troll (the only thing worse than Fleischhauer is that sexually frustrated dumbo-bitch Sibylle Berg - but she's Swiss) to be correct. Quite a success, guys, congratulations!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:30 | 2968148 Motorhead
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"Germany's most popular financial newspaper"...had to have been an honest mistake...Spiegel is not only not financial, but it is also not a newspaper.  And one might even argue its popularity.

The average German reads Bild.  Period.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:33 | 2968163 noses
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Well... At least the average German is still able to read. Imagine they needed Fox news...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:44 | 2968206 magpie
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Uhuh, wow so you really can 'read' the Bild.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:55 | 2968228 noses
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You've got a point there…

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:01 | 2969008 schadenfreude
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Tits are reading comprehension?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:52 | 2968659 Old Europe Avan...
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It seems like you define average as "Joe the plummer".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:32 | 2968143 Motorhead
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This is a good quote from the article:

Since Obama spoke to the world in front of the Victory Column in Berlin during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2008, he has found a firm place in the hearts of German citizens. They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards. 

I can only imagine what the Herms would be saying if Bush (either one) or Ronald Wilson Reagan were sending these "postcards".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:29 | 2968146 orez65
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I am just as disappointed with the Germans.
You install close to 1.5 million solar power installations which do not produce any electricity in the winter because it is very cloudy iduring German winters.
And they produce very little electricity in the rest of the year.
You then dismantle your nuclear power plants and buy electricity from nuclear plants in France and Poland which are next door to you.
Then you relay on the US for military protection from the Russians.
You then invent the Euro so that you can sell your exports to countries that can not afford them, like Greece.
Please give me a break, you are more corrupt and stupid than the US.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:31 | 2968156 Motorhead
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I'd say not more corrupt and stupid, but just as...and hypocritical.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:11 | 2968565 Old Europe Avan...
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Well those solar power installations are that inefficient that Germany has much to much electrical energy around noon. There is that much electrical power that even the market prices are down during that time.

Then the nuclear power plant myth. Well the truth is that Germany this year again had a record _export_ of electrical engery - even though we shut down some of the nuclear power plants.

Then stupid US protected us from the Russians thing: Well the US are occupying Germany since WWII, they are still here while the Rusian troups left after the reuinification in the 1990s. US never "protected us". The US had (and still has) interests in Europe and Germany was the designated battle ground for WWIII. Actually it would be wise of Germany to leave the f*** EU & NATO and get closer with Russia. The Eurasian continent is where the music plays (always has been).

Then Euro myth. Well Germany didn't want it. Certainly the population didn't but also the politicians only did at the time as this was the price for the reuinifcation. France hoped to drag Germany down and in the long run this plan will work.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:39 | 2969583 Escapeclaws
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Hopefully they only buy nuclear power from the French nuclear installations that are closest to the Rhine.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:32 | 2968158 FleaMarketPete
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Germans love bbc.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:36 | 2968173 Atomizer
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They’re doing whatever it takes to spin information positive. Just look at the latest headlines stipulating FBI covert operations. Expect more firings on a MSM level.

Taxpayer funded Honeypots are still used as a defense to Internet control. Data package leakage continues every day. Perps have already connected themselves to high powered WH officials who talk of payback, if your against us.   

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:40 | 2968191 magpie
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Chilling effect, quoth the Sunstein

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2968181 Oldballplayer
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I love ZH because I am write this: Fuck You Germany. I know you have guns, but I have two P38's in my drawer that my dad took from you after blowing off your nazi heads. One still has uncle frtiz's blood stains on the holster.

We kicked your ass twice and them held your hand for fifty years. You are a petulant baby.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:34 | 2968623 machineh
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All your strudel are belong to us!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:10 | 2968697 Stuntgirl
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Possibly the most cogent of all comments here.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:15 | 2969036 Tortuga
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Ain't no "possibly" about it. Cracks me up every time.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:05 | 2969020 schadenfreude
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You stupid fuck did nothing to accomplish this. So what is your point? Congrats for having a waepon.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:38 | 2968183 NidStyles
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You know this same thing happened before WW2. Hitler thought Americans were infantile and crude, but he loved FDR.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:41 | 2968195 Motorhead
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I guess you can say the Dolfster loved Uncle Joe Stalin, too.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:21 | 2968446 AnAnonymous
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Hilter loved the US. He took a lot of inspiration from the US history to deliver his final copy. He saw Indo European US Americans as cousins to the German people. Never wanted to go to war with them.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:37 | 2968487 NidStyles
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I guess you missed what he said about the intolerant and racial divisive American Populace in 1934 then...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:25 | 2968734 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hilter loved the US. He took a lot of inspiration from the US history to deliver his final copy.

"The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew."

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:36 | 2968748 akak
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Hilter loved the US. He took a lot of inspiration from the US history to deliver his final copy. He saw Indo European US Americans as cousins to the German people.

Who exactly was "Hilter"?

Was he a parangong of US German 'american' citizenism?  The crustiest bit of a Germano-Indo-'american' mattering something?  Or just another invention of your fevered anti-American Chinese Citizenism fabled past?

Assuming that you were in fact referring to "Hitler", yes, he often described the USA as a "racially mongrelized nation" with apparently nothing but high praise in mind.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:42 | 2968199 walcott
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total disinformation.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:57 | 2968235 Atomizer
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Total Disinformation

false information, as about a country's military strength or plans, publicly announced or planted in the news media, especially of other countries.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disinformation

 

Would you like to modify this definition to include Conspiracy Theory? It may help your cause in the long run.  :p

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:47 | 2968215 JLee2027
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Europe has been wishing for our demise since the American Revolution. Look at the Civil War for example. Britian could hardly contain itself. I consider such "wishes" a happy indication that we are well ahead of Old Europe and will remain so.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:19 | 2968272 Atomizer
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Let’s be smart this time around. Rather than starting a civil war & fighting over manufactured MSM race wars. Let’s show up at the bankers & central planners homes. Of course, this will not sit well. They expect us to kill each other first. That has always been the repeated war plan based on population control and rising inflation costs for centuries

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:55 | 2968667 Old Europe Avan...
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Being well ahead is only a positive thing if you are headed towards the right direction...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:13 | 2969032 Tortuga
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Direction evolves.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:51 | 2968222 Payne
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comparing Germany to the US we would have to use only the Greater San Francisco Bay area, without a FED government constantly at war we would match up pretty well.  Everyone says they know geography and they have a better education system except when they make poor comparisons.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:58 | 2968671 Old Europe Avan...
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Yes and no. Actually consider that California as the Silicon Valley, Hollywood, the military industrial complex (San Diego/LA area), tons of nature, farming and _still_ is bankrupt. Thats something to be proud of. Other countries would do well with just one or two of the mentioned jems.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:52 | 2968223 TahoeBilly2012
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Did the Grateful Dead come from Germany? I think not.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:37 | 2968626 machineh
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No, but Elvis and the Beatles and the Rolling Stones and Jimi Hendrix hung out there for awhile.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:56 | 2968231 guinea
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Why does Germany make such cheesy porn?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:18 | 2968290 Oldballplayer
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And trimmers and razors. They can get those in Getmany right? German porn is just horrible.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:59 | 2968240 Phillycheesesteak
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Another misleading headline by ZH. From reading the excerpts, it sounds like the writer agrees with the assertion that the U.S. is in decline. After reading the article, it is obvious that he is saying that reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated. Keep up the anti-American spin, ZH. What's next? Some propaganda from Al Queda?

As for the power lines, all new developments in the U.S. have been built with underground utilities for decades. Had our country been totally flattened in WWII, we wouldn't have many above ground lines either, especially if half our population lived in grafitti ridden tenement housing like the Germans instead of real homes with some land and trees around them.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 15:59 | 2968241 Phillycheesesteak
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Another misleading headline by ZH. From reading the excerpts, it sounds like the writer agrees with the assertion that the U.S. is in decline. After reading the article, it is obvious that he is saying that reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated. Keep up the anti-American spin, ZH. What's next? Some propaganda from Al Queda?

As for the power lines, all new developments in the U.S. have been built with underground utilities for decades. Had our country been totally flattened in WWII, we wouldn't have many above ground lines either, especially if half our population lived in grafitti ridden tenement housing like the Germans instead of real homes with some land and trees around them.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:51 | 2968379 Atomizer
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You should always clear your computer cache prior to posting under a AI assistant. Double posts purge any creditability. Since the software duplicates posting, entries are based on timed out sequencing.

 

Mirrored diarrhea of the keyboard always occurs twice. 

Q: What does Vote of 1795 mean to you?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:12 | 2969030 Tortuga
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This is zh man, not Wired. People get emotional here and sometimes make mistakes.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:03 | 2968252 Hugh Jorgan
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Obama a civil rights attorney?  Where did you get that nonsense?  The man hasn't ever practiced law.  He was forced to relinquish his law license, as was his wife, both for malfeasance.  Please don't give the Communist in Chief more credit than he is due.  He isn't an intellectual.  He isn't a decent man.  Just ask Illinoians and Chicagoans who didn't vote for him, who do work, but who are shouldering the burden of this failed state, with record high increases in income and property tax.  And ask the 70 or so million Americans on food stamps. 

Guys, lately a lot of your stuff is leading me to not want to come back here.  It would appear that you think that anyone from the right is the moral equivalent to Obama.  Read what Obama really is, before you compare conservatives with this Marxist douchebag.  He is here to destroy America.  He is succeeding.  Stop calling him that which he isn't.  Please-you are one of the last sane websites I visit. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:04 | 2968254 praxis
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Hey Deutschland what's Putin up to?  How have you and the Russians been doing?  Seriously, you guys starting to patch things up?  Any lingering animosity?  I'm sure they've forgotten all about the Great Patriotic War. 

Last time I checked we had Canucks to our north and Wetbacks to the South who still (for some reason) all want to come here. 

All fun aside, I know we facked over the natives but weren't you the ones who invented industrial genocide?  Aren't they still finding human bones from your death camps in Eastern Europe? 

Hitler/Himler.  Need I say anything else?  

You suck eggs.  Your post WWII guilt trip liberal policies dont mean jack.  No offense but didn't the Soviets occupy you for 40 some years due to your fascination with a fascist head case? 

Fat people?  Germany seriously?  How many fat wurst eating krauts run around Munich at lunch time.

Aryans?  Third Reich?  What the fuck are you people smoking? 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:10 | 2968268 DosZap
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Last time I checked we had Canucks to our north and Wetbacks to the South who still (for some reason) all want to come here

Easy, stats from last election, FREE gub handouts, and high wages (compared to FuhuCo.)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:06 | 2968258 Hugh Jorgan
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Oh, and I almost forgot.  We Americans will trade Hussein for Merkel any fucking day!  Lets send barry over to the krauts.  I am sure that 6 months of Merkel and the lefty pussies would snap to.  screw the krauts.  I am sure a bunch of money for this and the last election came from them, as Obama had no security measures on his website to deter or disallow foreign donations to his campaign. 

If you guys would go hard on the congress and the DoJ to investigate stuff like this, then maybe people would be better informed and not vote for turdbanging libtards like barry!  Think about it ZH.  Think long and hard about it.  Where does your libertarian ideology come second to your love of AMerica?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:21 | 2968278 zilverreiger
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Man this spiegel article is indeed nothing saying, typical lost in translation (couldn't find a german original) and mostly filler. All the awakened want to see the evil empire (at present the great satan USA) fall on its face for sure, but this article is just crap it doesn't clearly pick sides.
Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:27 | 2968284 tickhound
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I believe in Steamboat Willie.  Toot Toot! 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:40 | 2968351 Itch
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Europeans say these things because they are so frustrated in their attempts to understand America. They pop their head in the American box for a second and they come out with their brains frazzled and their hair looking like they have been in a slapstick explosion. The sheer violence in the polarization of "opinions" in the US has the rest of the world scratching their head. And rightly so.

Its the freedom of speech thing; there are two types of freedom here, freedom "from", and freedom "to". Hardliners believe they should have freedom "to" spout whatever they like may the truth be dammed, there is no interest in moderation or civility, muddying the waters shamelessly and stirring the shit until the lines become so blurred no one knows what they are anymore, big danger here.

All those little radio stations, blogs and independent media outlets constantly telling people what their prejudices want to hear rather than seeing it as their duty as journalists to find moderation and the truth... that takes talent, but rabble-rousing comes naturally to some, in fact it seems a lot of Americans were born to do it. These low-level theatrical bullshitters need taken off the airwaves...freedom of speech, yes, but freedom to tell lies and stir up hostilities, no. People should be free "from" it.

America will need a “great moderation” , its up to political leaders to become more responsible about how they garner votes, as it stands they have everyone at each others throats; there are huge amounts of people in America who are just too susceptible to hard line theatricals, and frankly they cant handle it, they’re too childish. Forming political opinions should be as much about the intellect as it is about gut emotion and shooting from the hip; constantly baiting voters to hate each other will one day do irreversible damage.      

 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:04 | 2968404 carambar
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I agree, european are at lost trying to understand american. You have to live in this country to understand what's going on in the background. No one in Europe mesure how much religion is important in US politics and how many people still want to implement 19th policies that would not even pass the smell test in old  Europe. Yes, some people are trying to rebuilt in the US what early immigrant escaped. They have been somewhat successful in some Southern states but thanksfully we are in an age of media where the carzy can't stay hidden for ever.

I can tell you by my own experience, that except in the US not even in France , politician, Media or ordinary citizen claim that the US is the greatest country on the face of Earth. Incredible.

Only radio Moscow would say that before the Berlin wall fell.

the only reason the US economy defies the law of nature is because of the Dollarisation of the world exchanges. trades were/are most of the time paid in $$. All these dollars are circulatiing outside the US economy, thus are nor coming back to inflate the system. This has allowed the US to print huge among of $ for the last few decades without facing the warth of commoners. You are all aware what happen to a country that use the printing machine but this doent apply to the US so far. This unique situation is certainly part of the envy from european countries.

 

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