On Germany's Desire To See America "On Its Knees", And Its "Infantile Crush On Obama"

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When you strip all the politically correct rhetoric, and the carefully sculpted facade is taken off for the night, this is what remains. Via Germany's most popular financial newspaper Spiegel:

"There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".  

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With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out.

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When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

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For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

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For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power.

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The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

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Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

And it gets better - from the official caption of the associated Spiegel photo:

Let the transatlatnic flame wars begin, because the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Full article:

Explaining Germany's Infantile Crush on Obama

A Commentary by Jan Fleischhauer

German schadenfreude knows no bounds, particularly when it comes to the United States. The country loves to feel superior to a superpower like America. Yet Germany also harbors a childish infatuation with Obama -- one which has little political grounding. The reasons are psychological.

It's too bad that Mitt Romney didn't win. If the Republicans had won, we could finally have known for sure that our suspicion of America's imminent demise is correct. "Four more years," translated into the German viewpoint means little more than a "four-year reprieve."

For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out. When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry," as my adversary, columnist Jacob Augstein, furiously argued on Monday.

A Blessing to Live in Germany

What a blessing it is, one must conclude, to live in Germany, a country where the highways are regularly repaired and the washing machines use so little water that one could water the entire Sahara with what is left over. In which citizens' initiatives are formed against McDonald's, and two-bit crime dramas are considered the pinnacle of TV entertainment. If the utility poles here were to snap like toothpicks, then it would be the fault of some natural catastrophe, the likes of which would make a hurricane seem like a gentle breeze.

I don't want to sound like a smart aleck, but does anyone remember when, in December 2005, a surprisingly strong winter storm left 250,000 people in the area surrounding Münster without power for days? Münster and its environs do not want to rule the world. But still, it was strange to see the same experts on TV, who two years prior, during a large power outage on the east coast of the US, had given their reasons for why something like that could never happen in Germany.

The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew.

For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power. In the meantime, Americans brought communism to its knees, rang in the age of the Internet and revolutionized capitalism several times.

The reality is that a quarter of global wealth is still created in the United States. They still have at their command the largest military power on the globe, and will continue to do so, despite all of the talk of a multi-polar world.

The Infatuation with Obama

Above all, the United States remains the largest chosen destination of millions of people in the world. If they had the choice of where they could live, the majority oddly enough would not choose the German DIN standard for happiness, but life in New York or California, where the potholes are as big as gravel pits. That may make people here want to light as many candles as possible, to pray for the downfall to finally come.

The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

Since Obama spoke to the world in front of the Victory Column in Berlin during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2008, he has found a firm place in the hearts of German citizens. They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards.

In the daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, Andrian Kreye correctly pointed out that for Europe, life with Republican presidents is usually easier, because the US then takes the obligations of its alliances seriously.

Obama has no interest in Europe, and all of his attention goes to Asia. If this president calls the German chancellor's office, it is only to try to sweet talk her into finally implementing euro-bonds, so Wall Street can sleep again. But that is one of those facts that is better to suppress.

Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

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Incubus's picture

I'm an unrepentant antismarmite.

Azannoth's picture

Don't feed the Schills

Henry Hub's picture

Truth is a jewel of many facets.

Incubus's picture

So is the kitchen & bath department of your local home improvement store.

piliage's picture

And yet this is all posted under an article supporting the position that 9-11 was a conspriacy? If the shit fits...

Azannoth's picture

"The marshal knew immediately what was coming, and thus proposed that Poland join forces with France and launch a preemptive strike against Germany. .. defense minister [] called for Britain and France to both assist in a preemptive attack"- Don't belive me, it's on frigging Wikipedia

Azannoth's picture

+1 I think 25%-50%+ of people you will meet in Germany on public transport systems are foreigneirs

noses's picture

Correct - and we all know that one American will make an entire train uninhabitable because they still didn't learn how to change their underwear.

Gavrikon's picture

With all due respect, you are full of shit.

Unless, of course the car in which you are riding is full of Turks, Pakis, Arabs, or Africans.

schadenfreude's picture

Nice derailing you stupid fuck

vic and blood's picture

Surely you are describing Turkish immigrants.

mayavision2012's picture

@justobserving -

Hopefully, that Truth will see the light of day at the ICC for Bush/Cheney/Itnl Banksters/MIC et. al. :

"The 9/11 Toronto Report" was just published http://www.amazon.com/The-9-11-Toronto-Report/dp/1478369205/

(Quote) November 9, 2012

From the back cover: This volume is the final report issued from the International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001, held in Toronto, Canada. Over the four days of the Toronto Hearings, noted authors and scientific experts presented the best evidence gathered in the previous decade to a panel of distinguished individuals whose opinion on the strength of the evidence should carry considerable weight in the public sphere. The four panelists were: Ferdinando Imposimato, former Senior Judge and Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy; Herbert Jenkins, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at McMaster University, educated at Oberlin College and Harvard University; Richard Lee, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at the University of Toronto and Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, previously positions at Harvard, Rutgers and Columbia University; and David Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Urban and Regional Planning at the University of Tennessee and former President of the U.S. Fulbright Association, educated at Yale and Cornell. Much of the evidence these panelists heard and questioned during the Toronto Hearings is presented in the opening chapters of this report. Following the evidence, each panelist has presented his findings, conclusions and recommendations based on the evidence. Panelist David Johnson noted that much of the evidence, “ignored by the mainstream media, cries out for a wider audience and a rigorous but fair review by independent authorities,” and that a “new, honest investigation conducted with subpoena powers should be empanelled to look into whether such crimes might have been committed.” Herbert Jenkins found that previous U.S. government investigations of 9/11 “were designed not to understand what actually happened, but rather to defend the official account, which they did by selective omissions and distortions of the evidence” and believes that “without a more open government, [there is] no way to repair the profound distrust of government that now cripples democracy in America.” Richard Lee said that the Toronto Hearings were “extraordinarily effective in presenting carefully compiled scientific evidence that casts serious doubt on the veracity of the official story” and was “impressed by the seriousness of the witnesses, their willingness to submit their evidence to scientific scrutiny and evaluation, and their challenging the authors of the official story to refute the evidence presented.” Ferdinando Imposimato held that the best course forward to achieve justice is to “submit the best evidence concerning the involvement in 9/11 of specific individuals to the International Criminal Court Prosecutor and ask him to investigate” and names potential targets of the ICC investigation. The opinions of the Toronto Hearings panelists make a clear and unmistakable case that the official account of 9/11 is false, and that the only way to realize truth and accountability is to tear down the wall of secrecy and lies that has been erected by the United States government around the events of 9/11.

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HD's picture

I'm not a fan of dropping famous quotes we've all read a thousand times but I'll allow myself this one:

  "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else" -Winston Churchill

Call me naive - but somewhere deep down, as much as believe America is up to its chin in bullshit - I think Americans will pull themselves together, and dig themselves out before the whole damn place comes apart. I hope this isn't just wishful thinking - we'll see soon enough.

AgShaman's picture

thumbs up for such high levels of optimism

p.s......don't read the soylent green, er....food stamp thread

Stranded Observer's picture

I thumbed you up because I can use a little hope this morning.  Call me naive too.  But maybe. . .just maybe. . .

newworldorder's picture

Re - HD

This was possible from the WW2 generation, but not true of the generations living in the US today. Except for those in Uniform, I dont see much understanding of what is left of our Democracy. Multiculturalism and unrestricted immigration will be the majority political will shortly.

kito's picture

population of germany: 81,000,000

number of americans who own at least one firearm: at least 90,000,000

 

keep dreaming germany, keep dreaming..............

 

 

bank guy in Brussels's picture

Germany has 25 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles

Surprise! We actually have lots of private civilian guns in Europe. ... Even shooting clubs here in Brussels ...
In our little Belgium: 2 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles

France: 19 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles ... And so on.

We do not carry them around, or have as high gun ownership rates as in the US, but there are probably 100 million plus private guns in Europe.

Yes, the crazy UK Brits confiscated all privately owned handguns in the 1990s - But they are extremists. It is not like that on the Continent. Here we know the Nazis can come back, they were here before.

Facts of gun ownership and policies in countries around the world:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/

FeralSerf's picture

Aren't the handguns and rifles mostly rimfire?

Azannoth's picture

http://forum.waffen-online.de/index.php?showtopic=424962

This German forum for gun fans says between 5-10 million(legal guns) owned mostly by licensed hunters who have 5-10 guns each, that leaves about 90%+ of the population without an access to a gun.

http://www.welt.de/politik/article96595/Schusswaffen-in-Deutschland-Frag...

This site says 10mil(Police estimate probably on the high end) guns +15mil "weapons"(without license) a "weapon" without a license in Germany means an air-soft or fake guns(not a real weapon)

There are shooting clubs sure but in a city of 5mil(where I live) you have like 5 major shooting clubs with 1,000 members each but I guess it "qualifies"

In Germany if you are caught(and you will because everybody snitches) with as much as a single shot Air-gun in "public"(even in a forest) you will get an anti-terror(SWAT) on your ass in minutes

by law you are not even allowed to use Air-rifles(or any long ranges weapons) in your own backyard and police will be there in minutes after a neighbor snitches on you, they will take all your "weapons" raid your home ban you for life from legally owning any gun and give you a (suspended - if lucky) prison sentence and a few thousand € fine.

The Only country in Europe with real gun rights is Switzerland.

mrks's picture

> The Only country in Europe with real gun rights is Switzerland.

That's not exactly true. Just looking at the neighboring countries, Austria has gun laws more liberal than some states in the US (like NJ or CA) and I think the Czech really like their guns too. France is mostly limited by the amount of ammunition you can store (1k rounds or something like that?) and Italy has some retarted policy regarding "military caliber" like 9x19 or .223, but other than that... Sure, gun ownership isn't a consitutional guaranteed right in most countries, but in many European countries it's, just as an example, way easier to legally purchase a surpressor or an SBR than it would be in the US with all their BATF rules.

Besides the UK, I think it's Germany that has the most stringent gun laws in the EU. The other countries are quite relaxed to be honest, other than having to apply for a permit for semi-auto guns and rifles and (in some places) very hard to obtain carry permits.

And then of course there's Switzerland, but you already mentioned that.

DosZap's picture

You take Switzerland,thanks, I will KEEP the USA.

Most men under 30 in Switzerland, and many women, are members of the militia. They receive basic military training at age 20, and then annual training camps. Each militia member keeps his personal weapon at home until he leaves the militia.

Guns must be kept locked up in an approved case, and the military police have the right to enter any militia members home at any time to ensure that it is.

Ammunition is sold - at a greatly subsidized price - at government licensed shooting ranges, but it must be used there. No-one except police and members of certain military 'rapid response' units is allowed to have ammunition at home.

Ownership of private 'long guns' is pretty easy to get - a 'weapon acquisition permit' can be had by any adult with no criminal or mental health history, and after you have a permit you can buy guns freely.

Ownership of handguns is very tightly controlled, and "carry permits" are in general issued ONLY to security officers.

Gavrikon's picture

And yet, with that gun ownership, there are hardly ever any gun crimes.  But that's changing, due to third-wold immigration.

kito's picture

glad to hear bank guy...................im all for any populace to be well armed..........its the last bastion of defense against a repressive government...............

Parrotile's picture

Which is why Tony Blair was SO keen to ban UK Handguns - after the so-called "Hungerford Massacre".

The chap "doing the shooting" had a gun licence issued by the Police.

The Police "overlooked"  the fact that he was (allegedly) mentally unstable when the issued the licence.

Don't seem to remember ANY blame being laid at the door of the Chief Constable. Wonder why not.

Can't have "the little people" wishing to effectively impose their will on proceedings, can we . . . . .

Lord Koos's picture

The problem with the guns in America is that we use them mostly to shoot other Americans.

Urban Redneck's picture

Apples should not be compared to oranges.

number of americans who own at least one firearm

I may be on the high end for the US (or at least used to be), but I could arm an entire platoon of unarmed neighbors if need be

kito's picture

yes urban, good point.............. there are probably close to 300 million firearms owned by private u.s. citizens...

DosZap's picture

I may be on the high end for the US (or at least used to be), but I could arm an entire platoon of unarmed neighbors if need be

 

Uh, if you could do that, you definitley would be.

Urban Redneck's picture

When I was living in the US, I would inevitably have to chose between competing estate/garage sales that happen every weekend where collections of over a hundred firearms were being auctioned, so I don't think it is that rare.  My impression is that there are three groups of gun owners  1-2, 10-15, and 50+.  If someone actually hunts (or just lives in a true rural area) then they probably have at a dozen or so firearms.  If they actually collect firearms (instead of beanie babies or Elvis plates) then time matters, I started as a teenager and probably averaged one every other month.   I think the true outliers are people like CR Knight who are at warehouse-scale instead of a handful of gun safes.  That said- living in rural or even ex-urban area both facilitates and is conducive to multiple gun ownership.

BTW the ATF paperwork headaches for a title 2 weapon make the Swiss fetish for proper paperwork seem prudish, and I can't imagine that it's getting any better after Nov 6.

stormsailor's picture

i like the mka-1919 12 gauge,  with about 10, 10 round 3in magazines.    become a squad all by yourself.

noses's picture

Why would one need weapons? Those warriors of "the greatest nation on Earth" don't even get Afghan camel-fuckers under control. I guess a handful of stones should do nicely, they're sufficient against small dogs, too.

molecool's picture

Doesn't matter if you're 5,000km away ;-)

schadenfreude's picture

And you really think firearms help you ? Your enemy is not Germany, but the dictatorship of USA. Good luck fighting drones.

Azannoth's picture

Germans see Obama's Presidency as nothing more than Schadenfreude(Hubris), they want to see America FAIL because a strong Capitalistic America flies in the face of what Socialists believe in.

magpie's picture

No, they 'only' want America to be more Euro, more socialist. That's what the 93% for Obama mean.

Old Europe Avant-Garde's picture

On the other hand what would have been the alternative? Romney? Sure in theory, but given he was right about the 47%, it was clear that it would never happen. Basically the US is already to much "socialist" to vote for the hard parts of the values your country once stood for.

But face it, the Germans don't care about how the US should be inside. What they care about is you guys stopping to bully everyone around on the planet and still occupying our country. Simple as that. Get the hell out and then we happy with whatever you do at home.

 

Wolferl's picture

Schadenfreude is not Hubris.

blunderdog's picture

Shaddap!  You don't speak 'Merkin.

Henry Hub's picture

The Germans are so lacking in the need to relish in the misfortune of others that they don't even have their own word for schadenfreude. They have to use the 'merican word.

Azannoth's picture

I meant it more in a philosophical sense where it's a Hubris of a World View not of physical conquest

MsCreant's picture

Enjoying the suffering/misfortune of (stupid) others is certainly a kind of hubris.

falak pema's picture

yes honey and money don't mix.

magpie's picture

No, it's actually exactly the opposite, though its chauvinism can be easily mistaken for it - it's a mere aftershock of Europe's high culture exceptionalism of the last two centuries, the snobbish sneer of Kultur now in a (last) leftist incarnation against the colonial rubes and mobs.

noses's picture

"Capitalistic America" with more than 50% of the population living out of the state's pockets? You must have been smoking something wrong.

falak pema's picture

you obviously don't know how to count :

The 99% live off 20-30 %  of national wealth the 1°% live off 70-80% of national riches.

When you understand THAT you'll understand where the first world is heading : NEO FEUDALISM.

So stop bitchin about the 50% who live off the entitlements; its chicken feed in the world order of things.

The first world is heading towards the political system of the BRIC world of China, Russia, Brazil and India! 

Do you know what that regression means...? 

Its the end of democracy. All you guys who believe in neo-con order are the true sheeple of world neo-feudal order.

The return to the dark ages of economic, political and ideological obscurantism; forget Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and all those who followed. Tribalism bitchez!

loveyajimbo's picture

Makes sense... Obongo would likie to see America on its knees too.  We are now officially a nation with a majority of drones, illegals and assorted morons, led by the most corrupt administration since Caligula.