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On Germany's Desire To See America "On Its Knees", And Its "Infantile Crush On Obama"

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When you strip all the politically correct rhetoric, and the carefully sculpted facade is taken off for the night, this is what remains. Via Germany's most popular financial newspaper Spiegel:

"There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".  

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With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out.

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When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

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For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

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For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power.

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The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

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Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

And it gets better - from the official caption of the associated Spiegel photo:

Let the transatlatnic flame wars begin, because the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Full article:

Explaining Germany's Infantile Crush on Obama

A Commentary by Jan Fleischhauer

German schadenfreude knows no bounds, particularly when it comes to the United States. The country loves to feel superior to a superpower like America. Yet Germany also harbors a childish infatuation with Obama -- one which has little political grounding. The reasons are psychological.

It's too bad that Mitt Romney didn't win. If the Republicans had won, we could finally have known for sure that our suspicion of America's imminent demise is correct. "Four more years," translated into the German viewpoint means little more than a "four-year reprieve."

For the über-watchful among us, the signs of the downfall are obvious. One must only take a look at the condition of the streets (every fourth bridge is crumbling!), or the entirely outdated power grid, to come to the conclusion that this country has its future behind it. A nation that has its utility lines hanging from poles in the street, instead of burying them in an orderly fashion underground, cannot really be taken seriously.

With a bit of luck, the specter across the Atlantic might even take care of itself. It can't be ruled out. When they are not shooting each other or being fried by dangling power lines then the Americans might simply pop. Two out of every three US citizens are overweight, or even obese! Every child in Germany knows the numbers.

There is hardly an issue about which Germans as so united as they are by their desire to see America on its knees. It unites both the left and the right. Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. "A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry," as my adversary, columnist Jacob Augstein, furiously argued on Monday.

A Blessing to Live in Germany

What a blessing it is, one must conclude, to live in Germany, a country where the highways are regularly repaired and the washing machines use so little water that one could water the entire Sahara with what is left over. In which citizens' initiatives are formed against McDonald's, and two-bit crime dramas are considered the pinnacle of TV entertainment. If the utility poles here were to snap like toothpicks, then it would be the fault of some natural catastrophe, the likes of which would make a hurricane seem like a gentle breeze.

I don't want to sound like a smart aleck, but does anyone remember when, in December 2005, a surprisingly strong winter storm left 250,000 people in the area surrounding Münster without power for days? Münster and its environs do not want to rule the world. But still, it was strange to see the same experts on TV, who two years prior, during a large power outage on the east coast of the US, had given their reasons for why something like that could never happen in Germany.

The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew.

For as long as I can remember, America has been on the decline. Already in the 1970s, the country was doomed, and that was before people like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush came to power. In the meantime, Americans brought communism to its knees, rang in the age of the Internet and revolutionized capitalism several times.

The reality is that a quarter of global wealth is still created in the United States. They still have at their command the largest military power on the globe, and will continue to do so, despite all of the talk of a multi-polar world.

The Infatuation with Obama

Above all, the United States remains the largest chosen destination of millions of people in the world. If they had the choice of where they could live, the majority oddly enough would not choose the German DIN standard for happiness, but life in New York or California, where the potholes are as big as gravel pits. That may make people here want to light as many candles as possible, to pray for the downfall to finally come.

The childish excitement over Obama, that once again took hold over Germans during this election -- fully 93 percent of the country would have voted for him in this election -- is the flip side of this desire for America's demise. That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans.

Since Obama spoke to the world in front of the Victory Column in Berlin during his first presidential campaign in the summer of 2008, he has found a firm place in the hearts of German citizens. They will always be grateful to him for this honor. That's why they forgive him for keeping Guantanamo open and for sending out drones like other people would send postcards.

In the daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, Andrian Kreye correctly pointed out that for Europe, life with Republican presidents is usually easier, because the US then takes the obligations of its alliances seriously.

Obama has no interest in Europe, and all of his attention goes to Asia. If this president calls the German chancellor's office, it is only to try to sweet talk her into finally implementing euro-bonds, so Wall Street can sleep again. But that is one of those facts that is better to suppress.

Superpowers don't disappear over the course of years. It takes decades, if not centuries. As such, the verdict might not arrive for awhile yet. The prophets of doom can continue to hope.

 

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Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:45 | 2968647 machineh
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This unique situation is certainly part of the envy from european countries.

DeGaulle was envious of le défi américain forty-five years ago.

But Europe's response was the euro, which turned out to be structurally flawed.

Try gold next time.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:19 | 2969416 Lord Koos
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I've been an American for 60 years and I still don't understand the fucking place.  One thing I do understand is that the US population is getting steadily more ignorant, (and immigration has nothing to do with it). The future for the USA is very, very bleak.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:08 | 2969023 Tortuga
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American politics has always been raucous. Cheating, lying, backstabbing, libeling, withholding negative information until after elections, just part of the circus. All in All, still the best country in the world, ask the immigrants, legal and otherwise.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:32 | 2969348 Parrotile
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Constantly baiting voters to hate each other will one day do irreversible damage.

Well with the very well covered violence in the USA today, it seems to many outsiders that "one day" has come and gone, and the irreversible damage is very much on-going.

http://thegrio.com/2012/07/27/how-gang-violence-is-tearing-black-america-apart/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/nyregion/charles-fernandez-was-casualty-of-a-turf-war-on-the-lower-east-side.html?ref=gangs&_r=0

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57470618/chicago-police-sergeant-tribal-warfare-on-the-streets/ (200 police vs at least 100,000 gang members)

It'll be particularly interesting to see what happens in and when the major support / handout programmes are scaled back (or Heaven forbid - cancelled!)

 

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:50 | 2968372 mc_LDN
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Are the old "Axis" powers being pulled together again? Are the "Allies" also coming together? Showdown anyone - war of the century. WW3 - going balls deep in the FINAL ROUND.

Separately this was funny - "TOne is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew."

I believe transference and emotive projections were what gave rise to the Nazi party in Germany post WW1

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:04 | 2968400 e-man
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"...they [the Germans] see him [Obama] as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans."

Actually, I think many of us Americans might be on the same page here...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:23 | 2968448 Atomizer
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Barack Obama in Berlin -2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAhb06Z8N1c

He and his family is the jack of all trades. His entire family has taken the magic carpet ride to embark on all trade experiences.

New world order--Obama speech in Berlin 

Fixing stupid is over for the mouth breathers.  Watching manufactured mayhem will be far more entertaining!!!

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:35 | 2968478 magpie
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Who would have thunk - it was 'First we take Berlin, then we take Manhattan' instead

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:21 | 2969419 Lord Koos
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It all depends on what you consider "normal".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:02 | 2968401 Seasmoke
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The foreign banks have declared WAR on all homeowners without firing a shot and most are too stupid to realize it !

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:27 | 2968455 AnAnonymous
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Germany is a socialist country.

Adding to the definition of socialist: someone who bashes the mighty US of America.

Wont take more than a week before 'americans' in here restart to speak of Germany the way they used to be.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:48 | 2968474 magpie
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That was most unexpected. I would have expected German citizenism to be a subset of the American one.

Using your expanded George Carlin methodology, it simply means that the 93 % of German 'americans' want to be (depending on your point of view) in the club of either the 47 or 53 % of (pro-Obama) American 'americans'.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:47 | 2968772 akak
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To refine your argument, you must distinguish between the American 'americans' and US 'americans', not to mention the subsets of US Citizenism 'americans' and American US Citizenism 'americans', which can be further subdivided into American US Citizenism 'american' citizens and American Indo-European US Citizenism 'american' citizens.  Then, of course, there are the non-US Chinese Indo-European American Caucasian 'american' US Citizenism citizens, but that is an entirely different subject.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:50 | 2968990 Tortuga
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So, which one is eligible for Affirmative Action in place of merit, cause I know one of my uncles discriminated against one of those, with a bayonet, from his horse, while being fat and having a right wing nut.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:59 | 2969004 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

Then, of course, there are the non-US Chinese Indo-European American Caucasian 'american' US Citizenism citizens, but that is an entirely different subject.

Indeed the muchly so, as a discussion of non-US Chinese Indo-European American Caucasian 'american' US Citizenism citizens would, by necessity, include non-US of America French Indo-Chinese Sino-Tibetan Antarctic Citizenism citizens as well as US of Mesoamerican Uto-Aztecan Huguenot Tolteccian Citizenism citizens.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:56 | 2969618 Escapeclaws
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There are many different kinds of tarantulas, some of which are poisonous but not all. The worlds largest tarantula lives in the Amazon rain forest. This tarantula is know for absconding with chickens. It is as big as a man's hand.

Next Ananonymous footnote--the black widow spider.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:28 | 2968459 IridiumRebel
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Good to see some old anger coming back from years of the older generations wanting the younger generations to rekindle the dream Of getting back at us for WWII. I understand. Our South still harbors some anger to the North from the Civ War. Problem is that Germany is saddled with those other Euro schmuck nations sucking their teet to death. Fit hits the Shan and Americans normally come together, but Doucheland decouples from Europe and you would see most countries be on our side than theirs as they remember the two times Doucheland wanted the whole of Europe for control. Keep dreaming. I'd be more worried about your suck monkey fiscal alliance with the GreedKs and sPain. How's that whole Euro thing working out for ya? Fear not. 'Merika is fucked too.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:09 | 2969342 WAMO556
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AKA the War of Northern Aggrression. How many times did the southern armies invade the north vs how many times times the north invaded the south. Just to put some perspective.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:24 | 2969420 Lord Koos
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"Fit hits the Shan and Americans normally come together"

 

That's some quaint, old fashioned idealism... but not in the new normal.  In the new normal, nobody gets along well enough to decide anything.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:38 | 2968490 ShrNfr
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I suggest a read of "Life is a chicken coop ladder" to find out what the Germans really like.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:43 | 2968505 dognamedabu
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Talk about Schadenfreude. I'm from Canada and the left up here sound just like your average German. I think its leftist the world over who are so naive to think a government loves them. Not that the right are any better. They think corporations and Jesus loves them. God help us all !!!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:47 | 2968770 TheObsoleteMan
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Jesus does love you, you just don't love him back. Corporations love you too, as long as you have money to spend. Run out of money and they run out of love.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:56 | 2968534 I am Jobe
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Amerikan Pussies Amerikan Pussies Fat Amerikan Pussies for generations to come.

Fuck this shit.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:01 | 2968541 falak pema
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I Love it when TD throws a bone to the ZH forum and gets the wolves howling. Usual suspects, usual knee jerks.

Kaiser Sauzee weaves a good plot to keep the fish jumping in the goldfish bowl.

Schadenfreude sandwich anybody, only a  limited number around. Come n get it! 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:30 | 2969421 Lord Koos
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Mostly of this site is simply the online version of throwing chunks of bloody meat into a pool full of not-so-bright sharks.  

It's all about the page hit numbers.  

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:06 | 2968553 Being Free
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Die Deutschen sind sheeple zu.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:23 | 2968579 jplotinus
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Mein Frauen en herren,

While this much might be true, there exist mitigating circumstances:

"Wherever they look, they see decay, a lack of culture and ignorance. A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry".

The US is captured by its military industrial corporatist banksta complex. We could do better, but our priorities remain fixated towards an over abundance, writ large, of fantastically destructive military gizmos.

We do not know what all we have. Suffice to say, though, we are a hair trigger away from destroying earth. And, I am not even talking about nukes. US secret weaponry, about which there are some hints, a few clues and demonstration events, like 9/11, that shed some light on the new stash that has been accumulated without our knowledge.

For your part, you accepted US fraudulent financial instruments. But, the measure of US capacity to rely on might making right is that neither you, Germany, nor any other part of your up that got screwed by that financial fraud dared protest. Instead, you've taken it out on yourselves.

True, the US Federal Reserve may yet bail out your up with more printed FRNs, the value of which is backed, not by gold, but by the military gizmos that remain hidden.

Permit me to suggest you recognize more of what you have in common with most Americans. This would include both of our cultures being dominated by the US militarists.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:17 | 2968581 gwar5
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Yes, by all means, leave it to former Nazis to be good judges of leadership.

 

We love you Germany, but at least the USA is #6 in % of population with college degrees. Germany did not even make the list of 16 top countries. Ironically, a majority of Germans agree with the same Americans they mock because they don't want to bail out Greece anymore than we want to bail out California, Welfare queens, and millions of illegal economic refugees.

BTW, Germany still hunts down and takes little children from parents who try to home school them, a Nazi era relic on the books. Meantime, 2 million homeschoolers in the USA would be #1 in the world academically, by far, if they were a separate nation. They perform like a race of geniuses. Fully half of them score above the 85% percentile across all subjects and also across all measures of social development. Many no doubt belong to that group of  'crazy' religious people everyone demonizes. 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:04 | 2968682 Old Europe Avan...
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Got a college degree? Fine, now flip some burgers.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:43 | 2968860 gwar5
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Yep, totally get your point. But Germany isn't special and has had a history of chronic high unemployment. And full blown Socialism and endemic burger flipping was what East Germany looked like.

 

Has everyone forgotten? Same people, same culture, but different economic systems -- and in just 20 years after WWII East Germany was a complete toxic waste dump full of hopeless people trying to escape, aka, Detroit. North and South Korea are the same thing, with the same results. You just can't get better live social experiments than those. Less homogenous cultures will have even far worse results.

 

The West is devolving into an East Germany economic model and the bankers and politicians are pushing and convincing us we'll all like it, and to vote for it! And people are choosing it! It's complete madness!

 

I think history will once again show that those college degreed liberal kids flipping burgers today will grow up to be free market conservatives who will look back and come to see that their binge drinking, drugs, and socialism were all just another phase in life, like potty training.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:45 | 2968982 Tortuga
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-1 because I don't think the burger flippers will grow up to be anything other than older burger flipping progressives.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:40 | 2968971 toomanyfakecons...
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I'd bet on the average Geman grade schooler over the average American college student in a battle of smarts.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 04:41 | 2969349 vic and blood
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Your post has a lot of merit. The college degree comparison shows considerable ignorance, however. The Germans produce a lot of craftsmen and tradesmen. Degrees in feminist studies and fine arts, not so much.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2968604 tony bonn
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the germans have many reasonable motivations for hating america, not the least of which is the latter's theft of german gold which was done in collusion with deutsche bank....adding the wicked deeds of the cia - who saved key nazis for cia service, plus the defeats in 2 world wars at the hands of london and american banksters, the palpable contempt is understandable....

yes the europeans are contemptuous of american culture but they always have been and the feeling can be reciprocated....but europe is hardly a model of good government, civilization, or decency.....the europeans are seething with hatred because americans have supplanted them as the world's super power and colonizer....however, the american sun is setting - proven by the rise of the bush crime syndicate and rockefeller axis of evil's favorite son, barry soetoro - the real name of the poltical actor hack who goes by obama - the same man with a teleprompter in his ear during the debates - hearing some indonesian dialect no doubt....

www.obamacrimes.com

 

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:42 | 2968976 Tortuga
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My uncles and father that landed in Normandy weren't bankers. Just Okie farm boys that kicked some superrace ass. There will always be elites and the rest of us, but the rest of us have it, historically for serfs/sheeple, pretty good.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:40 | 2969425 Lord Koos
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"the europeans are seething with hatred because americans have supplanted them as the world's super power and colonizer"

Right, I'm sure the average European walks around seething with hatred thinking about this kind of shit.

No, I'm pretty sure that hatin' state of mind is much more common in the good ol' USA.

The fact is, since WWII most Europeans have done an admirable job of dropping the historical baggage and moving on.  Too bad more Americans can't do the same. A lot of them still can't get over the civil war, much less accept having a black man as president.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 18:38 | 2968631 azzhatter
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I have a lady friend who is german. She is hot in a stern schoolmaster sense. She fucks hard and likes it a little rough. But she is a bitch, always prattling on about german superiority and american inferiority to the master race of germans. I'll keep boning her when I see her cuz she's good at it. But listening to her drivel is getting pretty old

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:38 | 2968966 Tortuga
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I applaud your sacrifice sir, for the good of international relations. Do you work for the CIA?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:15 | 2968714 dinastar2
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Germany wa saved from Soviet invasion from 1945 up to 1990 thanks to the US army and the US taxpayers.So a little bit of gratefulness should be observed on german side.Otherwise the germans are as fat and obese as the americans : visit Munich on oktoberfest and you' ll see thousands of germans pushing down the road their belly on whellbarrows.

On the economic side, German leadrs were clever to coerce the others european countries into an hegemonic german system, where the strict monetarism of the Bundesbank has been translated into the strict monetarism of the ECB.The result is an enduring deflation, most of the italian, french industries which were concurrencing Germany are closing , leaving much more market share to Germany.

On the social side, thousands of polish, tcheks workers are migrationg daily from their bordering countries to work in german factories for less than the german workers, so in some specific areas germany has rebuilt the " arbeitlager " model.Nothing to applaude...

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:38 | 2968965 toomanyfakecons...
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Your point is well taken, but America stole Germany's fair-and-square victory on the battlefield and turned WWI into a German defeat. The Commies and Nazis probably would have never emerged if it weren't for American interference in WWI.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:20 | 2968721 loup garou
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David Hasselhoff has a perty mouth.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 19:36 | 2968757 TheObsoleteMan
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The article was written by ONE person, so what if HE/SHE feels that way. Most Germans are still attached to the US, even though many do have differences. Would you think one writer from the NYT would speak for all Americans? They understand what it would mean for them if the US were to be "brought to it's knees". It wouldn't be pleasant. Most are intelligent enough to understand this. As for the Kenyan Pretender, if they really do love him that much, they can have him as their own. I'll even spring for the first class airfare for the whole family.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 20:13 | 2968778 Die Weiße Rose
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Opinions are like Arseholes:

Everyone has got One !

As a German citizen (born in 1952) I would like to say this:

It is true that most Germans have a love affair with America that started with the first settlers on American soil and continues until today. Germans know that they were saved from the brink of oblivion only by the help and kindness from Americans in 1945. (no-one forgets what Americans did to save west-Berlin from falling into sowjet hands after WWII)

This commentary Spiegel Article is based on a "Spiegel online column" by Jacob Augstein who holds 24 percent of the Augstein family's part of the Spiegel-Verlag publishing house, that his father founded in 1947.

Jacob Augstein is a right wing hack, who is bitter about the Republican loss of the 2012 Elections.

Jacob Augstein the Spiegel online columnist of "when in doubt, turn left" has his own right-wing political agenta and does not represent the opinion of the majority of what German People think, want, feel or wish for America.

Germans have always had a love affair with America and Germans want Americans to succeed, because it is also in their own interest that America succeeds, and because they remember their history which is closely interlinked with America.

That is all I have to say to those interest groups who are bitter about the Republican defeat in the 2012 Elections.

What is relevant is that most Germans do love President Barack Obama, just as they loved president John F. Kennedy to end the Vietnam War.

There are groups that would rather like to devide than unite America and Germany and no doubt other countries as well, in order to further their own political Interest.

However, these groups will not succeed and they are the minorities, both in Germany and also in America.

As a German Citizen, that's all I will say in reply to this article by Jacob Augstein in Der Spiegel.

The Article is untrue, hateful and devisive and that makes Jacob Augstein an irresponsible hack with a minority conflicted and biased opinion, that he broadcasts as fact.

Jacob Augstein in Der Spiegel is just another of conflicted and irrelevant opinion hacks, that's all.

and this my friends is my contribution toward our Deutsche - Amerikanische Freundschaft.

Americans sind alle Berliner !

wr;)

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:33 | 2968950 Tortuga
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So, what you're saying is we don't get to be a "spector" because the author is a right wing leftist toad?

Dammit!

I've always wanted to be a cog in a spector.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 02:16 | 2969283 Die Weiße Rose
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Jan Fleischhauer, the Spiegel hack that wrote the skewed commentary on Jacob Augsteins Article

is a born again neo-con fascist who likes Bush and writes for Spiegel (Berlin)

and also is a Author of a neocon rightwing racist Weblog (the Axis of Good) Die Achse des Guten

(as opposed to G.W.Bush:The Axis of Evil)

"A perverse mixture of irresponsibility, greed, and religious zealotry,"

as my adversary, columnist Jacob Augstein, furiously argued on Monday.'

(this would best describe Jan Fleischhauer, the right wing racist "Author" of Spiegel Berlin)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Fleischhauer

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:48 | 2968955 toomanyfakecons...
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America stole Germany's rightful victory in WWI... everything that occured after that is just the fruits of the poison tree.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:48 | 2969266 newengland
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The warmongering psycophath AshkeNAZI and their water boy Soros and his friends  who chose Obama  are about to discover the limit of their power.

The 47% will burn down their house.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:10 | 2969445 Winston of Oceania
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The commoditization of the world continues, mankind cannot be broken down into a scaleable work unit without the maintenance cost (Obama/Romney Care) clear for all to see. Wages will continue to fall to parity in the West and rise to parity elsewhere. Soon there will be no place left to hide either, for God sake don't look up or the drones will see your face and keep track of you from there.

Could lead to something like this that a fellow posted the other day... 

http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:36 | 2968959 YouThePeople
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Send them some fresh bad debt schnitzel.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 21:53 | 2968996 ShakaZulu
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My love affair with Germany began the day I realized that they were right about the Jews.  Unfortunately for the Germans, Hitler was a pyscho half jew run by Rothschild to inflame their hatred.  Hate is self defeating.  But thankfully the Jews of Shoddywood got years of TV fodder so I could be jovially entertained by Hogan's Heros and Combat for the blissful years of my childhood.  Stupid Germans!  Victory is for Bankers!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:42 | 2969263 newengland
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I'm looking forward :-)

Such fun to see the AshkeNAZI and corporatists bail out the 47%, their new bestest friends...until they are not.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:02 | 2969010 Herodotus
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America has failed because it was stabbed in the back from within by the Zionist Bolsheviks.  By contrast, Germany has been able to prosper since the war because the grip of this element had been substantially reduced.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 22:34 | 2969052 MickV
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All Anti Americans love Obama, from our own left wing, to Castro, Putin and Chavez. It's because they sense that Obama is not a real American (he is not an eligible natural born Citizen with the necessary allegiance and attachment necessary to lead it). Obama is a Citizen of the world, and the framers were careful not to allow those like him to lead this country, but alas, we were stupid, and now our sovereignty is gone, because there is no law and no Constitution when the POTUS, who is the executor of the laws, is illegal.

 

"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners." Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (1874).

 

Since 1787 anyone born of a non citizen parent is not eligible, even if born on the Oval Office desk. Obama was born British, of a British subject father, and is likely British to this day. He symbolizes the destruction of America.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 23:10 | 2969096 Ned Zeppelin
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More Obama bashing by whack-jobs in this thread too.  Jeez - give it a rest.

I guess I did not understand that the comments portion of this heretofore pretty insightful website had been hijacked by the Tea Party or AWM.    

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:53 | 2969333 WAMO556
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No! Just giving done golfing bum his just due. Unless he leaps into his pants, then he ain't nobody special. Just saying.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:45 | 2969428 Lord Koos
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You're new around here, aren't you...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:59 | 2969495 MickV
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Obama is a domestic enemy, an ineligible British born non natural born Citizen, purposefully installed by the NWO Central bankers, to void the US Constitution and US Citizen sovereignty. What better way to attack America than through the allegiance of its Chief Magistrate. The Framers knew that foreign influence would b the death of the Republic.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:34 | 2969245 newengland
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Today is Veteran's Day. God bless our troops.

Why did the the U.S. defeat the former Soviet Union and other fascists? Because our Germans were better than theirs.

Politicians and banks allowed AshkeNAZI who ruined Europe to bring their brightest minds into the U.S. military industrial complex.

'The widow's uniform is not the soldier man's disgrace.' (Kipling).

God bless our troops who gift your right to vote or not.

While the Clintons, Gores and Bush men were finding ways to escape military service, men like Jimmy Hendrix and the Four Seasons sang for their broken hearted generation.

Jimmy Hendrix, the trained paratrooper. The Four Seasons, the Jersey boys who saw their neighbors go off to war...and return in caskets.

 

The politicial elite and their apologists are hateful freaks.

There has never been a time in U.S history when so few politicians served in the military. Perhaps that's why they wage endless war: their fake virility so long as better men put their bodies on the line and die for the freak failed corporatist ways of money grubbing political elites, and their ignorant fans.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 01:32 | 2969255 q99x2
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I'll think about what a german newspaper publishes once Germany starts rounding up banksters. Until then let them keep bailing out the United States of Europe. What about Merkel? She looks like she is about to go pop at any minute. Steve Wozniak is my bet as to which elite will explode from being too fat first. One more day in the sun and that dude is spaghetti.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:45 | 2969276 honestann
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Damn!  I had no idea Germans were so insane!  But this totally explains how they elected someone like Hitler.  Sur-freaking-real.

Disclaimer:  I can't actually believe Germans are as insane as would be implied by the claim the overwhelmingly support Obama and his abusive, authoritarian, internationally aggressive ways.  However, if they actually do (as the article claims), what is one to conclude?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 02:29 | 2969289 luckylongshot
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"That the Germans, of all people, should see themselves in a black civil rights attorney from Chicago can only be explained by the fact that they see him as the opposite of what they consider to be normal Americans."....are you serious ?..this has to be a contender for the dumbest thing ever written on ZH.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 03:44 | 2969324 wikispooks
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German schadenfreude over the predicament of the US eh?

Hmmm..... Maybe deeply supressed (in the US) historical facts such as this and this have something to do with it? To their great credit, both written by Americans too.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 05:32 | 2969365 BigInJapan
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Doucheland. Fattest army in the world. Socialist cum-commies. Those krauts are gonna need YET ANOTHER shitknocking before the end of all this. Paging Sgt Rock!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 08:27 | 2969373 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Germany's Desire to See America on its Knees.

 

You're in luck Herr Stopplegopper: America has been on its knees since at least 2008... gagging on Wall St's insatiable, throbbing member. 

And when that's over, America will be on all-fours - ready for a good puckering by the same crew. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 06:21 | 2969383 Volaille de Bresse
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Best ZH article I've been reading in a long time. Go Spiegel go! (thumbup)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 07:31 | 2969423 j.tennquist
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Gee, am I supposed to take offense that the Uber-Deutchlanders find Americans to be dumb, fat and greedy?

We are, and we just proved it with the most self-centered election in memory last week.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:19 | 2969535 PY-129-20
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You should keep in mind that this is a commentary. It is an opinion.  It is meant to be provocative. It does not represent a majority of opinions in Germany (so it is not a glimpse into the contemporary German thoughts about America.). Some comments here are nothing than conditioned reflexes. Is that shameful? I think it is.

Many Germans don't know much about American politics. Like every other tribe in the world, the American included, they've built their own stereotypes. They don't know much about Obama. They don't know much about the Republicans. They just know that Obama is not GW Bush. Many German media outlets are more left leaning, especially from an American perspective. But the American political system is something unknown to them.  So it is not really surprising to see this kind of reaction. Keep also in mind that it was a conservative politician (named Bismarck) who introduced the basic concept for a caring state (or refered here as a "nanny state"). It was his reaction to mute the socialist movement (the beginnings of the SPD (like the Labour party), which should not be confused with the KP (communist party).

I often do not agree with Fleischhauers comments. But then, I often do not agree with any of the Spiegel columnists.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:44 | 2969592 Escapeclaws
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Why does it take so long for comments to load at this site? Because organizations like Crowdscience.com need to download your comment.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 09:52 | 2969613 elwu
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Geht your facts right. This text is so full of twisted spins, it's hard to find something straight enough to comment on. And don't take what is written in whatever media face value, Tyler, grow up!

1st ) Spiegel is not at all the 'most popular financial nespaper' in Germany. It isn't a financial neswpaper. It isn't even a newspaper at all. It's a weekly magazine about the world and everything. A bit left leaning on top of that.

2nd) The vast majority of Germans, unlike the Spiegel, don't want to see the USA on her Knees. They want that the USA solves her issues and lives long and prospers

3rd) From a German's point of view, Obama is rather neoliberal, and Romney is ultra-neoliberal, their respective political parties and backers likewise. Anyway, it doesn't matter much for us whon is Presidwnt over there.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:43 | 2970007 andrewp111
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Der Speigel is the only German media that is published in english, and thus available to US readers. Therefore, it is the voice of Germany.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 10:05 | 2969647 Archon7
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Their desire to see America fall is precisely the reason why Germans love Obama so much.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 10:15 | 2969675 ThisTimeIsDifferent
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ZH, that was a rather silly article to post.

The author Jan Fleischhauer is a well known paranoid nut.

This year he has created a stir with Italy by likening all Italians to the captain fo the sunk cruise vessel Costa Concordia.

Fleischhauer has an inferiority complex vis a vis Jakob Augstein, the son of the founder of Spiegel, who said this:

"The truth is that we simply no longer understand America. Looking at the country from Germany and Europe, we see a foreign culture. The political system is in the hands of big business and its lobbyists. The checks and balances have failed"

This is exactly how Germans also feel about their own system: disenfranchised by TBTF banks and a handful of multinational corporations.

Unfortunately there is no Ron Paul in sight in Germany.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:20 | 2969942 Yohimbo
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Let them eat Euros.

 

Theres no question why my family left 7 generations ago.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:24 | 2969962 FLHRS
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They all will be looking to the US when the "BIGS" get the next war going.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 12:40 | 2970002 andrewp111
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I read some of those anti-American Der Speigel articles and got the same impression as this post does. Ze Germans are gloating aver their supposed superiority over the USA, and over our coming downfall. It makes me want to see the coming EU State secession and EU Civil War put on fast forward.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:59 | 2970576 RazvanM
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This article is very good indeed. Like "Your mama is so..." The good news is that from here on the only direction can only be up! Wait, maybe not :(

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:51 | 2970724 notadouche
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Not quite comfortable when the whole of Germany backs a leader.  Their history is pretty underwhelming as a people.  I don't know, does the name Hitler ring a bell.  If the history books are correct didn't the German people fawn all over Der Fuerher for a couple of decades and sit idly by or more appropriately gleefully join in while he raped and pillaged Europe and commit genocide in historic proportions?  Worried about overwieght Americans while they mandated the breeding of the "perfect human race".   Time for the Germans to just sit back down and shut their mouths and be thankful American's didn't completely wipe them off the face of the earth when America, along with every other country in the free world, had some justification to do just that.   Sie sind douchebags!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:08 | 2971344 brent1023
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No one else get the irony in this article?

This guy is not lambasting America, he is lambasting other political comentators in German.

Is he taking their comments out of context? Exaggerating? Should he be writing for the Onion (make that der Onion)?

I have no idea, but he certainly appears to be a more or less conventional right wing nutbar.

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