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As we stop to remember the sacrifice of so many, we thought perhaps some reflection from over 50 years ago would provide a little context for that 'shared' sacrifice...

(h/t Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog)

 

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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:49 | 2970408 economics9698
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The main thing to remember about war is the bankers make money.  As long as the bankers make money we will have war. 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:51 | 2970418 goldfish1
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Jeez it's hard to read it like that there in black and white.

oh, you edited. i would have used the term "owners'.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:52 | 2970422 Michaelwiseguy
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I think we should stop using our soldiers as corporate mercenary thugs.

Alex Jones Caller Ron Paul Revenge Voters For Obama 10/09/2012

http://www.myspace.com/video/michaelwiseguy/alex-jones-caller-ron-paul-revenge-vote-for-obama/109079927

Anyone can re-upload this video on Youtube, my account was terminated.

Some in the loser Romney camp are calling us "Paulqaeda".  I like that.  It's a combination English/Aribic word.

Paul Qaeda = Paul Base

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:59 | 2970433 falak pema
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only one problem with that short cut; its not sexy.

Paula Qaeda is much better, it brings to mind sex under the table; now we are talking chess of another dimension. Very broad and well devised chess board like a monopoly game where you love saying : I'm all in!

Even Ike and Gay Kay Summersby would have enjoyed that! 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:59 | 2970438 Western
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Just watched the rememberance day memorial ceremony on CBC. They ended the speeches and cannon fire with "God Save the Queen".

 

One woman's life is apparently worth millions of dead soldiers.

 

We do not live in a caste system, move along.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:09 | 2970470 falak pema
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We do not live in a caste system, move along...

I hope you are bieng funny. Cos the video above encapsulates IKe's warning about the MIC! In no uncertain terms.

And as the events have played out since 1981 we have moved to a caste system in USA based on oligarchy money. The 0.1 % control the future.

Unless you are Rip Van Winkle this should be evident to you. 

So what were you saying in your funny little speech?

Not that I don't like mobility, its immobility in entrenched ideas which I find of concern, when reality shows to us that the contrary has emerged.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:11 | 2970477 Pladizow
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“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
? Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:45 | 2970545 SafelyGraze
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call/mail/visit your representative to support making december 23 the official Day of Mourning & Weeping for the United States and their Constitution which Once Guided Them

with Vigils held in Publick Places, wherein Likenesses of Libertie shall be Manifested to the Peple showing Tentackles reaching into her Several Orifices and also the Selfsame into her Pockettes and 'Round her Throte and Rists and Anckles

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:29 | 2970815 economics9698
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The main thing about modern warfare is the bankers want it dragged out as long as possible.  McNamara (Johnson Defense Secretary) created the most impossible rules of engagement for Westmoreland to prevent the USA achieving victory in Vietnam. 

The war was dragged out by McNamara and then Kissinger with Nixon.  Thousands of Americans were killed so the bankers could force Nixon to print the dollars and run up the debt to the point there were 3 dollars for every 1 ounce of gold.

McNamara left as defense secretary and joined the World Bank peddling the one world government crap.

End of gold standard.

Same thing in Iraq.

Meyer intentionally pulled the troops out of Fallujah when the battle was won.  A critical time, critical defeat.  He intentionally dragged the war on to the US would run up the debt clock.

Same shit as the Napoleonic Wars.

Same strategy, bakers get rich, gentiles die.

I think its time to use the military to hunt down the bankers and have them killed for cannon fodder.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:59 | 2970886 Urban Redneck
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Both the bankers & the MIC are interested in selling the US the most expensive machinery possible, and it gets sold to the civilian population as "saving lives" which translates into "losing wars" and buying newer, more expensive, more up-armored crap to replace it with using ever more taxpayer dollars.

First they buy expensive CH47s and CH53s they have go borrow cheap MI-26s to to extricate their downed helicopters.  The F22/F35 boondoggles are only incrementally more of a ripoff and which lose in dogfights to planes that have been in service 20 years.  If the invincibility of a US carrier is ever actually tested, the newer, more expensive, more up-armored replacement con job will be astronomical. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:18 | 2970930 clymer
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lets not forget JFK's (slightly more) onerous warning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQntSgLkAo

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:25 | 2970947 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Today is Veterans' Day. Remember the fallen sailors of the USS Liberty.

 

http://ussliberty.org/

 

My Mom went to parochial school with John Spicher who was on deck when he was hit by rocket fire. He received aid from his crew mates but succumbed to his wounds. God bless you, PC.

http://www.ussliberty.org/spicher.htm

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:44 | 2971153 Selah
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Thank you for observing Veteran's Day.

 

Most here want to hurl hatred towards Central Bankers rather than acknowledge the sacrifices of those who serve our country.

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:57 | 2971194 CrockettAlmanac.com
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As an anarchist I object to the presence of the state in my life. But those who fill the ranks do so with the expectation that they will only be called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice for that which is truly supportive of their nation.

Tears.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:30 | 2971407 markmotive
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War sucks for everyone. And every life lost is a waste.

But let's not forget that WWII was really a war between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. That's where the biggest battles were fought and that's where the most lives were lost.

- Soviet deaths: 27 million

- UK deaths: about 400k

- US deaths: about 400k

I think the Eastern Front is a side of the war most in the Western world forget.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/11/11/teacher-resource-world-war-ii-t...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:17 | 2971544 CrockettAlmanac.com
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That is true. We let the Soviets wear down the Nazis likely in the hope that the Nazis would wear down the Soviets. But that left Eastern Europe in Soviet hands. Patton wanted to roll against them but the logical thing to do would have been to push against Germany from the West earlier, force a surrender which would have put the Nazi commanders out of power and block the Soviets. But hindsight is easy. Expect a mess when an elite class orders boys to kill boys for inches of ground and the glory of empire.

 

Actually, this is Armistice Day.

 

Peace.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 01:58 | 2971787 ebworthen
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A Thank You to all the Veterans who have served or are serving.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:30 | 2971821 dubbleoj
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Friend just got back from Afghanistan. He can't, and won't, describe what he's seen, and what they made him do.

Sean Bean reciting Wilfred Own: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/video/2012/nov/11/sean-bean-first-world-war-poetry-video

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:12 | 2971848 dogbreath
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Thanks for that.  Such a waste.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 08:39 | 2971997 francis_sawyer
Mon, 11/12/2012 - 04:17 | 2971872 sharky2003
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I had a good friend who went to Afghanistan a couple of years ago. After he had been there a few months, I asked him how it was going... This was when the MSM was constantly talking about "the surge", and I just wanted the real deal. Well I got the real deal alight... he more or less told me the entire war was a huge waste of time and resources and we had no business being over there. Just the exasperation in his voice... I'd never heard him speak like that before, even during a tour in Iraq a few years prior... That conversation was definitely one of the major turning points that led to my "ah ha" moment.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 04:17 | 2971875 Michaelwiseguy
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A couple videos I made a while back;

Ron Paul Conquers Hearts on Jay Leno 10/30/2007

http://www.myspace.com/michaelwiseguy/videos/video/21150506

A New York Tribute to Ron Paul

http://www.myspace.com/michaelwiseguy/videos/a-new-york-tribute-to-ron-paul/20217082

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:15 | 2973764 Cathartes Aura
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Radiohead ~ Harry Patch (In Memory Of)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX9ZC8UGVRg

Harry Patch diied at 111 years of age, having survived being a soldier in WW1 - this is a fan video using footage from that war, and Thom Yorke uses Harry's own words as lyrics. . .very powerful.

". . .next will be chemical, they will never learn."

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:00 | 2971199 UP Forester
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I'm a Vet.

I'd like to thank my recruiter for getting waivers for me so I could enlist, be treated like dirt, fuck up my body, be immuno-sterilized, and receive a small monthy Cripple Check.

Everyone should be so lucky to do retarded things like what I did before I figured out the sham.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:18 | 2971228 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You're a fortunate individual. But let's not lose sight of the tragedy which ensues when those who have not become enlightened as you have pay the ultimate price for the hubris of empire

And as it is Veterans' Day may I add: Fuck you Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Harry Truman, LBJ, the Clintons and Bush and Bush. Fucking scum bags.

 

 

 

Blame it on the vodka.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:41 | 2971281 Michaelwiseguy
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Information on upcoming broadcast;

Be sure to see the debut of WUWT-TV countering Gore’s 24 hours of Tabloid Climatology starting at 8PM EST (5PMPST) on November 14th. Details here:

Announcement: WUWT-TV to counter Al Gore’s ’24 Hours of Climate Reality’ with live webcast

WUWT-TV has invited a number of individuals to give presentations, here is the list so far.

SCHEDULED TO APPEAR:

Andrew Montford (Author of The Hockey Stick Illusion)
Richard Lindzen (Alfred P. Sloan professor of Meteorology, MIT)
Marc Morano (Climate Depot)
John Coleman  (Founder of the Weather Channel, now at KUSI-TV)
Chris Horner (Senior Fellow, Center for Energy and Environment, CEI)
Steve McIntyre (editor of ClimateAudit.org)
Dr. Ross McKitrick (University of Guelph)
John Christy (Alabama State climatologist, co author of UAH dataset)
Joe D’Aleo (WeatherBell)
Joe Bastardi  (Weatherbell)
Senator Jim Inhofe
Bob Tisdale (author of Who Turned on The Heat?)
Dr. Ryan Maue (Weatherbell)
Burt Rutan, (Engineer and Aviation Pioneer)
Dr. Sebastian Lüning  (co-author of Die kalte Sonne)
Harold Ambler (Author of Don’t Sell Your Coat)
Donna LaFramboise (Author of The Delinquent Teenager)
Pat Michaels (former State climatologist of Virgina, fellow of the Cato institute)
Pete Garcia (Producer of the movie The Boy Who Cried Warming)
Christopher Monckton (SPPI)

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/29/announcement-wuwt-tv-to-counter-al-gores-24-hours-of-climate-reality-on-november-14th-and-15th/

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 01:45 | 2971405 redpill
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Let's be frank, most of the dumbfuck doorknobs in both houses of Congress (not to mention the other branches of government) wouldn't truly understand a fraction of what Eisenhower said or the founding documents of the country for that matter.  We have created a political system where the most honorable and qualified persons want no part of the process, and we are left with only those who are so power hungry they are willing to undergo whatever process and commit whatever immoral actions necessary to obtain office.  And then we pretend that we are picking the best candidate out of a field of unindicted criminals. Utterly despicable considering how much blood had to be spilled for this country to even exist.

And if anyone doubts a word of what I've said, just watch a Congressional hearing on just about any topic on C-SPAN.  For most of these people it's embarrassing that they represent anyone at all.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:00 | 2971789 ebworthen
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"Is X-Factor on tomorrow night?"

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:27 | 2974893 Singaporean
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God damn, don't nobody in here recognize sarcasm unless it comes with a <sarc> tag?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:14 | 2970486 Bay of Pigs
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Yes, it's amazing the amount of bullshit people will swallow without even thinking about it. Its all about central banking.

Lew Rockwell: War and the FED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9lS5k7H5M

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:11 | 2970602 Ident 7777 economy
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"Its all about central banking."

 

 

Oh brother (a "CT" - conspiracy theorist) ... nothing to do with 'defining deviancy down'?

 

Nothing to do with popular entertainment, the press, the schools?

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:35 | 2970680 BlueCollaredOne
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I usually tend to disagree with you, but you're spot on with this post.

When trying to place blame on our existing conditions of a nation it is impossible to blame one entity. They are merely cogs of the same fucked up machine.

Schools, the controlled media, big pharma, big agro, the MIC, the Israel lobby, central banks, big banks, homeland security, the bought and paid for politicians, the gun grabbers, etc. ect. etc. etc.

The list goes on and on. It's human nature to want to find a single person or group to place blame on, hence why 90% of the population believes that the president really makes a difference.

We at ZH are above that though. We recognize the entire system is at war with us. Choose your enemy and try to wake others up. I preach to others about the dangers of Monsanto and have my friends and family eating local and GMO free. I find that is the easiest issue to wake people up on. I then gradually introduce other topics of interest and let curiosity be there guide

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:50 | 2970867 Goldilocks
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Epic war film from 1960 starring Paul Newman among others…

Exodus
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3906C76AB7BE9334 (20 parts, ~10 minutes each)

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 06:49 | 2971934 Henry Hub
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Exodus? Exodus is the biggest Zionist propaganda film ever made. This movie did more that anything else to brainwash the American people into accepting Zionism. It rivals Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" as pure propaganda.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:12 | 2971074 old naughty
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In fact, blame no one but ourselves...For head in sand for centuries.

Now love your enemies, to death.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:37 | 2970681 BlueCollaredOne
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Double post

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:42 | 2970704 Bay of Pigs
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It starts with the Central Banking. 

Sorry I didn't spell it out for you. Did you watch the video?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:47 | 2970716 BlueCollaredOne
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I did, Lew Rockwell is a Jedi pimp. The expansion of central banking is also a central theme to John Perkins book "confessions of an economic hitman". That's a must read for all.

Thanks for the link.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:48 | 2970727 Harbanger
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I say it starts with Central Planning, ends with Central Banking and then progresses to Totalitarianism.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 00:19 | 2971640 Radical Marijuana
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In reply to Ident 7777 economy, disbelieving

"Its all about central banking."

Or, as Bay of Pigs clarified that comment:

"It starts with the Central Banking."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzdomBX8U0w

UROKO (full length)

QUITE A GOOD DOCUMENTARY,
ESPECIALLY LAST HALF HOUR!

As the individual who made this video commented

http://urokomovie.com/wordpress/?page_id=6

Why 'Uroko'?

What I have discovered after years of scratching my head, is that there IS and has been for centuries a sort of "conspiracy" at work, that top Freemasons have long been a part of it, that certain Jewish banking dynasties also are and have long been important players, but that a Christian element constitutes a substantial part of this thousand year + old partnership, and is distinctly Norman/Viking in its heritage. ... I discovered that the ancestors of both the Christian-Norman and Jewish-Germanic sects which, broadly speaking, make up the bulk of our modern "men behind the curtain", came on to the scene in Europe at exactly the same time, specifically in the later 9th century when Rollo and his Vikings invaded northern France just as the Magyars and Kabars arrived in Hungary from the East. [Some of whom had converted to Judaism] ... I felt I had caught a glimpse of the forest, and decided that those proclaiming a "Jewish conspiracy" were looking at the trees. Once one has considered fully the Norman/Viking element which also fed the spring from which our ruling elite evolved, the cultural and ancestral links between conquering groups like the Vikings, Franks and Huns as well as the Magyar/Hun-Kabar alliance, and finally, has seen how these groups were all branches of the same ancient plundering, conquering culture, the world begins to make a lot more sense. ...

What that individual who made the Uroko movie describes as the ancient plundering and conquering culture has been developing for thousands of years, since the basic technological advances of Neolithic civilization made that possible and practical to do. All of human history has been one grand conspiracy of fraud backed by force. Those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, of course, became the ruling elites. They have controlled things, through the application of the principles and methods of organized crime, which, when done in larger groups, we call warfare, rationalized by militarism. Those things are NOT due to the ruling elites, except that those elites develop their own expedient solutions to those chronic political problems, which are inherent to the nature of life itself.

THERE IS A POLITICAL ECONOMY, INSIDE OF A HUMAN ECOLOGY, WHICH WERE CONTROLLED BY THOSE WHO WERE THE BEST AT MURDERING OTHER PEOPLE, BEFORE THEY COULD MURDERED BY THEM. OF COURSE, I REGARDED THAT AS THE BLENDING OF GENES WITH MEMES, THROUGH SELECTION PRESSURES ON BIOLOGICAL/CULTURAL EVOLUTION. I USE THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT IS THEN CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF OUR SCIENCES.

Of course, the death controls are the crucial core to the whole system, and the monetary controls are in feed back loops with the murder controls. That is NOT a conspiracy theory. It is plainly obvious FACTS to anyone who looks at enough history. Moreover, with a even broader and deeper perspective, those events are merely the human expressions of the evolutions what has happened over and over again in all other ecologies.

The pyrmadion people in our social pyramid system are those whose genetic and cultural history selected and molded them to make and maintain the systems that we live in today. It is also interesting to speculate on the less well-known,but must have been matching ways, "sheeple" were also breeding their own genetic and cultural hybrids. The total human ecology and political economy is made of both those whose genetics, and cultures, dominated as well as those who adapted to live while dominated.

However, it should be plainly obvious, as well as confirmed by the study of history, that the schools and mass media, etc., were taken over by the same sorts of people who took over the money system. Those who gained control over the money system were then able to use that power to take control over everything else, in various positive feedback developments.

The special case of American history is particularly interesting because it had significant periods in the past where the control over the monetary system was struggled over, and changed hands, several times!  American history is also interesting because there is so much of it, and a lot of that was well documented. Therefore, it is possible to discover how the current ruling elites took back control over the monetary system, and after they gained their powers to control the money supply, it was possible for them to use that power systematically to gain control over the school system and the mass media.

Around and around that went, to become positive feedback loops, reinforcing each other. However, the most crucial events in that real history were the episodes where those where politicians were assassinated, so that those who got away with those assassinations would be able to continue to control the political processes to do what they wanted to be done. Most of the time, bribery and intimidation was enough. However, the central and crucial core of the conspiracy, that gradually gained control over the American political system, and then the mass media, and school systems, were the successful assassinations of the politicians that stood in the way of that happening.

I regard it as a totally ridiculous view to NOT believe that the international banksters were not the best organized gangs of criminals, that took back control of the government of the USA, and thereby, were able to use the power of "We the People" to progressively enslave those People. So YES, "Its all about central banking."

Anyone who does not understand that is either a fool or a liar. They have either not bothered to learn from history, or they are working to make sure the currently established systems of fraud and force are able to continue to prevail.

However, I would also emphasize that we need a paradigm shift in militarism. The idea that we can ever have a human reality with no murder system is totally preposterous and impossible. The idea that we need to radically transform militarism after the development of weapons of mass destruction is what should be promoted instead!

BUT, BUT, BUT, that plunges through the heart of the tunnel of infinite deceits, that there are NO good answers to the most paradoxical problem in politics, which is "Who will guard the guardians?"  What actually has happened, and theoretically MUST happen, over and over again, is that whomever was the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, WILL control the culture. Thus, the history that made War King then morphed to make Fraud King. The Fraud Kings now control America, and almost all of the rest of the world! THE FRAUD KINGS ARE THE CENTRAL BANKERS TODAY!

All of the rest of their system of social controls spread out from, and return, to their control over the SOURCE of our money supply. The murder system made that money supply be what it is today, and that money supply then pays for the murder system to keep that going. That is not something which any informed and rational person can dismiss as a crazy "conspiracy theory."  That is a plainly obvious social fact!

Controls over the rest of things like the school system and mass media are in the wake of the thrust of the central force of the history of murder, which made and maintained the established money system. IT IS PLAINLY OBVIOUS THAT THE CENTRAL BANKS CONTROL THE MONEY SYSTEM, AND THEY HAVE USED THAT POWER TO BUY UP CONTROL OVER THE OTHER SOCIAL SYSTEMS, AS ALL ASSEMBLED IN AN INTEGRATED SOCIAL SYSTEM.

Therefore, of course the military system works for the money system, since the money system pays for the murder system. The majority of people have NOT been taught to understand that, but rather, have been conditioned to NOT WANT to understand that! The PROBLEM is that all of the progress in science and technology is happening inside a social system which depends upon the majority of people continuing to be ignorant and afraid, so that a tiny minority can control and exploit them. Hence, we are in a runaway situation where the triumphs of the established money/murder systems have been amplified to astronomical sizes, which made them become INSANE.

Thus, the control exercised by the central bankers running their debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceit, has become a global electronic fiat money fraud, backed by atomic weapons. So, Welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World Folks!  Not only are the "conspiracy theories" correct, but also, those realities are what is crazy!   Those who deny that the central banks are the main manifestation of the frauds, backed by force, controlling civilization, are the actually the crazy people, especially since those systems have been amplified by many orders of magnitude, due to discovering relatively more truth, through science and technology, while the social system continues to be controlled by the same old elites, using the same old methods of lies, backed by violence!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 00:32 | 2971654 Ident 7777 economy
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In reply to Radical Marijuana's many words including: "So YES, "Its all about central banking." "

 

Have you heard the name Gates, Dell, Packard, Hewlett or Drudge?

 

Or Sergey Brin or Larry Page?

 

Howard Hughes?

 

"Who?" you say?

 

My point ... all you're too-familiar with are CTs (conspiracy theories). Not the captains of industry, the men to whom bankers answer ...

 

To which I must add:

 

"Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded."

 

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:16 | 2971695 Bay of Pigs
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Huh? Come on man...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:13 | 2971700 Radical Marijuana
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Of course I have heard about all those people, including the founders of Google.

I guess you are a stupid troll, some kind of professional liar. The obvious point regarding "conspiracy theories" are that they are normal things, that organized crime gangs do every day. The point I make is that those things also exist on the highest possible levels. Consider the careers of Generals, like before Eisenhower became President. The Manhattan Project was a conspiracy theory. The D-Day Invasion was a conspiracy theory. EXCEPT, THOSE WERE HISTORICAL FACTS!

Ident 7777 economy, you are a goofball to point out the existence of big corporations, as somehow a refutation of the existence of huge conspiracies, as a normal aspect of human affairs throughout history. In particular, Gate's Mircosoft Corporation got its original breakthrough contract by selling something that it did not own at the time it signed the contract. Only after signing that contract did it then go and buy what it had just sold! That was another classic kind of historical conspiracy!

I did not start off with "conspiracy theories!" I gradually came to believe in them more and more, after I learned more and more about real history! The more you know, the worse it gets, precisely because it becomes more and more patently obvious that real history has been primarily controlled by lies and violence, and that almost everything that exists today is the result of conflicts in the past being resolved by some people killing other people, and the people who tended to survive in that context were those who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence. The entire tradition of the study of militarism and politics, from Sun Tzu, to Clausewitz, to Machiavelli, and so on, and on, is ALL about lies, backed by violence. The history of central banking is the same, if you take enough time to study that.

However, Ident 7777 economy, you are obviously a goofball troll. Bay of Pigs, who posted the original comment, qualified to say that it all STARTED with central banks. I would agree in the sense that the central controls over the rest of the economic activities, including everything done by large corporations, and those who start those, or run them, MUST take place inside the context set up by the central banks. Those central banks were the supreme gangs of criminals, who were able to become the shadow governments, that controlled the public governments, so that those governments would give away the power to make money out of nothing, as debts, to those privately owned central banks. There are many historians, such as Carroll Quigley, in the book Tragedy and Hope, who have done great work to explain that history.

Again, welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World, Ident 7777 economy! You are the weak-minded one!

Conspiracy theories ARE the primary, correct ways to understand civilization, because civilization simply IS organized crime on the largest possible scale. That is probably what you, Ident 7777 economy, refuse to face, because you are too weak-minded to want understand that.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:54 | 2971868 StychoKiller
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Find the following *.pdf file:

"The network of global corporate control"
Stefania Vitali , James B. Glattfelder , and Stefano Battiston

Chair of Systems Design, ETH Zurich, Kreuzplatz 5, 8032 Zurich, Switzerland,
corresponding author, email: sbattiston@ethz.ch

Then talk to someone re: "Conspiracy."

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 07:50 | 2971958 Random
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...and you came to refute and mock conspiracy theories @ ZH, a site dedicated (to a certain extent but without ever touching the crux of the issue) to expose the economical and political conspiracies that define the current time?! Are you fucking kidding me? Wake the fuck up, this whole world is riddle with petty and grand conspiracies, and from my limited research and trips down various rabbit holes the more outlandish a conspiracy sounds at first glance the more valid it proves after some research (sadly only leading further down the rabbit hole with no end is sight).

A small note: do not believe conspiracies that everyone knows about or worse even, where a consensus about it is present.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:26 | 2970816 Treason Season
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"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.

John Dolberg Acton
Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:13 | 2970921 zerozulu
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It is unfortunate what happened to this country but I believe a collapsed dollar will cure all diseases.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 00:31 | 2971669 Ident 7777 economy
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" ... but I believe a collapsed dollar will cure all diseases. "

 

Not gonna happen; the world is a bigger f*cked-up place than this place, so, "Where ya gonna go?"

 

We *are* the 'island' of last resort.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:22 | 2971808 Raymond Reason
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Hardly.  Russia is the new island. 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:32 | 2971860 Think for yourself
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This is when you remove the mask and just admit you're either a troll, or untraveled and with no relevant experience on that topic.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 00:55 | 2971709 zhandax
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...but we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense.  We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

Who 'compelled us'?  The banksters who will insure that currency collapse happens on schedule.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:00 | 2970443 max2205
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JP Morgan bailed out the Govt 100 years ago and we are still paying them back

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:02 | 2970451 economics9698
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105 years ago.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:26 | 2970651 Gully Foyle
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Colonel Cargill, General Peckem's troubleshooter, was a forceful, ruddy man. Before the war he had been an alert, hard-hitting, aggressive marketing executive. He was a very bad marketing executive. Colonel Cargill was so awful a marketing executive that his services were much sought after by firms eager to establish losses for tax purposes. Throughout the civilized world, from Battery Park to Fulton Street, he was known as a dependable man for a fast tax write-off. His prices were high, for failure often did not come easily. He had to start at the top and work his way down, and with sympathetic friends in Washington, losing money was no simple matter. It took months of hard work and careful misplanning. A person misplaced, disorganized, miscalculated, overlooked everything and opened every loophole, and just when he thought he had it made, the government gave him a lake or a forest or an oilfield and spoiled everything. Even with such handicaps, Colonel Cargill could be relied on to run the most prosperous enterprise into the ground. He was a self-made man who owed his lack of success to nobody.

P. 27

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:21 | 2970798 mkhs
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Thank you Joseph Heller.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:06 | 2971046 SgtSchultz
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Meanwhile our guys are still pumping out the lead to kick ass.

Worth a look - helmet cam firefight (three million views can't be wrong) - plenty of ammo is a good thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2SWWDt8Wg

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:23 | 2971249 Yardfarmer
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last comment on this video. "hey ,if i was on the other side,,i popped? them lil heads all of ,with an sniperrifle,while they pop out there heads up that wall...this is the dumbest way to get an enemy,who trained them? just pop them heads out,i never would pop my head out up that wall,neverrr. dont wanna get hit by a snip there up on that mountain.i go there where i can see the enemy so i also see on what im shooting.maybe there are kids,they just shoot random.they stay,hide behind the wall,lol,,how dumb/scared can you be" I kind of thought the same thing.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:57 | 2971621 Lore
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I object strenuously to the Canadian flag at the start of that video.  What childish, undisciplined fools. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:57 | 2971504 Goatboy
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@economics9698 The main thing to remember about war is the bankers make money.  As long as the bankers make money we will have war. 

 

Not really. Bankers are just a cream on a pie (of shit). As long as there is material scarcity and unfulfilled human needs perpetuated through monetary mechanism there will be wars.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:17 | 2971549 adhoc99
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One thing you should know about war is that there is less of it today then there ever has been. And war has thrived in primitive societies where even the concept of a bank or a corporation would be foreign. None of which is to say there aren't corporatist forces that may aim to stoke violence, but clearly that's not the only or primary cause of war. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of history or human nature can understand that. Can we not use facts to have reasonable logical discussions here? 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:50 | 2971612 Goatboy
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Agreed. Just have to add: What people call "human nature" is a complex chain of reactions to environment and nothing more. There is nothing about it set in stone. Treating "human nature" as anything but mere reaction is a cop-out for relieving societal cognitive dissonance and material scarcity.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 01:52 | 2971777 Radical Marijuana
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The temporary, vast increase, in available energy, due to technological breakthroughs, provided the equivalent of hundreds of slaves, working for even poorer individuals. Thus, the harnessing of inanimate energy sources enabled the exponential growth of the total human population, and total human activities, within the context of a fresh planet, that had not yet been high graded to hell, as those technological breakthroughs consumed those natural resources that fed that industrial revolution.

Therefore, adhoc99, you are RIGHT that life became less violent, for more people, due to the rise of the results of the industrial revolution enabling more people to live more fulfilled lives. HOWEVER, that has deferred the possible death controls onto the future. Everything was set up to maximize the short-term benefits, while also maximizing the longer term costs. Future generations may have to pay for the relatively better lives that we have been enjoying. Future insane wars, with weapons of mass destruction, may well make all of the primitive wars, as well as all of the modern wars, since the American Civil War, look totally trivial in comparison.

The basic problem is what evolutionary ecologists called "overshooting" ... which makes the Malthusian dilemma look like it has a potentially far worse outcome than a dismal level of suvival. The whole "peak oil" theory, or the rapidly declining return on the investment of energy and material to get back more energy or material, is heading towards a possible collapse back into choas and conflict FAR WORSE than anything in the past.

In the past conditions of primitive warfare, those people had already reached the maximum population that their technology could sustain, and so, there HAD to be constant warfare, and their culture had adapted to have social habits to do that. For a while, when the high grade resources were available, to feed the industrial revolution, and to be able to actually sustain exponential growth for more Centuries, life got a lot better for a lot of people. ... However, that could all return to being far, far worse in the future, if, or when, we reach the limits of our own sustainable population. Indeed, the actual plans that the ruling elites appear to be working on today ARE to prepare for genocidal wars, and democidal martial law. Therefore, I repeat that you are RIGHT, SO FAR ... However, probably the single most important point is the Zero Hedge motto, which can be paraphrased as, given enough time, everything turns into its opposite.

What we do not know is exactly how much longer we will be able to keep on growing at an exponential rate, with the human population, or energy consumption etc.,  being ABLE to continue to double every few decades. As long as we CAN, then life is good!  However, whenever we can not do that anymore, then life could quickly become worse than it ever was before.  What we theoretically NEED is to develop better death controls, through radical paradigm shifts in the ideas about warfare, in order to cope with running into real limits. However, there currently no reasonable grounds to believe such political miracles are possible.

Anyway, for more on the general theory and aspects of the problems associated with overshooting:

http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=CMPmarijuanapa...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 01:54 | 2971782 ebworthen
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A "Thank You" to all the Veterans who have served or are serving.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:48 | 2970410 ZippyBananaPants
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So he agrees with Mr Panos?

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:37 | 2970979 DosZap
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The LAST true American President.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:32 | 2971121 ACP
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+1 "A hero is born among a hundred, a wise man is found among a thousand, but an accomplished one might not be found even among a hundred thousand men." -Plato

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 01:29 | 2971757 monad
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I'm looking for an honest man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:51 | 2970420 vortmax
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A holiday originally observed to commemorate the end of a war, bastardized by Congress during the height of the McCarthy era to now hold in reverence those who fight in them.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:48 | 2970554 Harbanger
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"A holiday originally observed to commemorate the end of a war"  Too many Holidays if they had one for every war, so all veterans celebrated in the same day is more practical.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:33 | 2970672 duo
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A holiday observed to commemorate the Great War's stalemate of the Armistace.  A war that killed 7000 men a day, on average, for three and a half years.  I've been to the cemeteries at the Somme and Ypres...hundreds of thousands of headstones.

And for what?  The German's didn't really lose, they just ran out of men before the flu got to the Americans (the flu accounted for half the WWI US deaths). 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:19 | 2970931 Al Gorerhythm
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Liberty

died here.

R.I.P.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:52 | 2970423 The Shootist
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Beware the state that allows medical idiots to elect it leaders.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:05 | 2970426 TuesdayBen
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Ike stated '...only an alert and knowledgable citizenry ...'

He was right. Ask voters why they voted how they did on 11.6.12, and you'll get a low % of well-reasoned replies.

The USA is in trouble, and thus the world...

Hell, I don't get cable, but the only channel worth watching is Russia Today. The rest are crap or propaganda. We are soft and stupid, and that is a sad and dangerous state of affairs.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:01 | 2970583 Dugald
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Soft fat and stupid....

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:24 | 2970809 mkhs
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Don't forget bald.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:04 | 2970588 Ident 7777 economy
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 TuesdayBen

-1 only for citing Russia Today as 'the only channel worth watchng'.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:43 | 2970714 BlueCollaredOne
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I wonder what the folks at the CIA think of RT. They really are the only channel I'm aware of that attacks the farce of a financial system that we are inflicted with. Between capital account and keiser report, there is much to be learned.

I'd imagine RT is a KGB brainchild designed to break the US from within. There is no way that when RT broadcasts over in the motherland that they call for the same amount of transparency and expose the same amount of corruption that they do when talking about America. I'm sure they are status quo on steroids.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:29 | 2970821 Treason Season
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Ditto for Presstv

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:03 | 2971844 Cosimo de Medici
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RT works because they know how to lay a trap with the Broadcast Honeypot, aka Lauren Lister (sp?).  For some reason, when AWMs in the West see her, or just know her scent wafts about the studio, they forget RT has every much an agenda as any other media party.  Don't see her as anything particularly special myself, which apparently impacts my opinion of the FSB media arm known as RT.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:51 | 2970819 TuesdayBen
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Well, it is the only over the air channel I get that is worth watching, though there is a Chinese-oriented channel that runs interesting documentaries, and I suppose PBS runs a balanced program occasionally. Is there anything else over air worth watching? Anything of the creepy Matt Lauerish spin ilk or prime-time dream-world crap doesn't work for me...

US media is by and large a fucking disgrace. But I suppose that is the fault of us soft and stupid Americans for gobbling down what the networks and Hollywood cook up. I truly believe we must experience severe pain/hardship to lead us to become harder and smarter, and I don't believe it will be voluntary / self-induced.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:04 | 2970589 Totentänzerlied
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"Women's Issues", from what I have heard, were the excuses-du-jour for Obama voters. Unfortunately but not surprisingly they are far too stupid to see the issue with treating these "rights" as mere "liberties" to be granted or revoked at the whim of the President (who apparently has some authority in these matters nowadays???) and/or Supreme Court which is basically GOD.

And remember, Ron Paul is "a nutjob" because he's morally opposed to abortion while clearly acknowledging that it is nonetheless none of the state's fucking business - so the question of legality never even arises - and is an issue for consenting adults to sort out on their own like some kind of rational, intelligent creatures with individual responsibility and liberty.

PS: "Values Voters" and "social issues" Democrats are filthy hypocritical ignorant self-righteous douchebags who make me regret not believing in Hell.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:31 | 2970668 falak pema
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u love to hate period. What do you love other than your navel and the good book of crooks draped in papal purple?

I have never met a religious fundamentalist whose main concern was not hating anybody whose sees life differently to his own revealed vision of holy perfection. no deviation allowed. Its as totalitarian as scrooge mcduck's love of gold and a lot less funny than donald quack and his crazy band of daffy duckies.

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:43 | 2971836 Raymond Reason
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Um, i don't think he is a religious fundementalist.  He doesn't believe in hell. 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:41 | 2971832 Raymond Reason
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We hire the State to protect one citizen from another, etc.  Is a fetus a citizen?  It is a human, and as a Christain, to murder is to commit a mortal sin. But we don't want the State to legislate morality, or we should outlaw atheism, and that defeats the God-given right to free will. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:32 | 2970670 Harbanger
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In Ike's time, he was accused by some of being a communist agent.  I wouldn't say he was a communist but he was certainly a progressive. 

"Ike then articulated his position as a moderate, progressive Republican: "I have just one purpose...and that is to build up a strong progressive Republican Party in this country. If the right wing wants a fight, they are going to get it...before I end up, either this Republican Party will reflect progressivism or I won't be with them anymore.""

Nixon was another progressive Republican who gave us the EPA.  It's no wonder there hasn't been much difference between the two parties. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:55 | 2970878 machineh
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Nixon was a 'progressive' [mind the quotes] Republican who gave us the War on Drugs.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:53 | 2971028 ultraticum
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And don't forget what he gave us on August 15, 1971 . . . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FIAT, BITCHEZ!!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:08 | 2970905 marriedgeordie
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RT is also propaganda, and the Russians are known to be very iffy as far as telling the truth goes. Worth watching, but take weighted average with other channels.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:48 | 2971840 Raymond Reason
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I would say that Russians are known to be very iffy as far as buying what is sold as the truth. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:19 | 2970933 zerozulu
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Green Up tick for referencing RT.COM. Sad story is that to know what is happening here, we need to watch commies media.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:56 | 2970431 dick cheneys ghost
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The hidden tax of the permanet war economy

 

http://nation.time.com/2012/11/08/the-hidden-tax-of-the-permanent-war-ec...

 

and this from Gary North on War Revisionism

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByWW9Va8UIo

 

 

fucck you Rockefellers

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:19 | 2970638 Ident 7777 economy
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dick cheneys ghost

" fucck you Rockefellers "

 

Another "CT"

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:11 | 2971224 dick cheneys ghost
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12 year long wars are by design, not accident................dont be OBTUSE

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:57 | 2970435 stormsailor
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“I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

 

took that oath 35 years ago, as far as i know have never been released from it nor broken it.

 

another oath i took,  i will not lie, cheat, steal nor tolerate those who do.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:17 | 2970490 Pegasus Muse
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Have you heard this? It might be for Canada, but the thoughts are the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo&feature=share

Thank you Veterans for your selfless service.   


Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:20 | 2970496 Rantabulous
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Wouldn't it be good if there was some civilian counterpart to the military oath. Some commitment that 'I will be the best citizen I can be. I will make some effort to make our shared home a better place for us all.' etc. Like a ceremony on becoming an adult that incorporates a pledge to our communities and our step into adulthood and full citizenship.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:41 | 2970536 Urban Redneck
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There's the oath of allegiance for legal immigrants, but since citizenship (slavery) is given free to anyone born here (unlike a lot of other countries), it would have to conditioned on something, like registering to vote-

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:18 | 2970633 Water Is Wet
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I counter your 'citizens' plege' with Lysander Spooner's The Constitution of No Authority:

The "constitution" (pretended) has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. [This essay was written in 1869.] And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. Most of them have been dead forty, fifty, sixty, or seventy years. And the pretended "constitution," so far as it was their contract, died with them. They had no natural power or right to make it obligatory upon their children. It is not only plainly impossible, in the nature of things, that they could bind their posterity, but they did not even attempt to bind them. That is to say, the instrument [the pretended "constitution"] does not purport to be an agreement between anybody but "the people" then existing; nor does it, either expressly or impliedly, assert any right, power, or disposition, on their part, to bind anybody but themselves.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:42 | 2970708 A Lunatic
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A compelling argument and no doubt one you could spend countless hours reciting to yourself as you rot away in prison for tax evasion, terrorism, or secret crimes against the authority of the State; not that I disagree with the premise........

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:19 | 2970497 FeralSerf
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" i will not lie, cheat, steal nor tolerate those who do."

From that I presume you refuse to vote for or support any democrats or republicans?  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:25 | 2970506 stormsailor
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if i know that they lie, cheat, or steal. no i do not support them

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:05 | 2970591 Dugald
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I will not lie, cheat, steal nor tolerate those who do.

You must be very lonesome.......

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:38 | 2970691 stormsailor
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i've examinied my life choices and the values i have taught my children many times.  sometimes i feel that they inhibit me, and worse that they will punish my children.  this normally in the dark of night or dispair, 

 

and yes sometimes i am lonesome and have few friends.

 

hopefully there are others out there that put what is right and honorable over what profits them.

 

i don't mean to sound self riteous but the old ways are my ways, 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:30 | 2970956 nonclaim
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According to wikipedia (which I won't link) Honor is "an abstract concept"...

Yet, those who have it know how heavy and valuable it is. And, unlike gold, you carry it *in you* with easy, here and beyond, never to be stolen or lost.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:51 | 2970747 BlueCollaredOne
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For real, I'd be perpetually single if I didn't lie.

"Yes, your new haircut looks nice."

"Oh wow, you sure cooked a good roast."

"I will be home after this round babe, I want to drink this one slow"

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 02:57 | 2971842 Raymond Reason
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There is a difference between tact and false witness. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:51 | 2971486 Telemakhos
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No, he's got some good company, many of the Mr. Jefferson's men.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:28 | 2970657 Gully Foyle
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"Well, don't let that trouble you," General Peckem continued with a careless flick of his wrist. "Just pass on the work I assign you to somebody else and trust to luck. We call that delegation and responsibility. Somewhere down near the lowest level of this coordinated organization I run are people who get the work done when it reaches them, and everything manages to run along smoothly without too much effort on my part. I suppose that's because I am a good executive. Nothing we do in this large department of ours is really very important, and there's never any rush. On the other hand, it is important that we let people know we do a great deal of it. Let me know if you find yourself shorthanded. I've already put in a requisition for two majors, four captains and sixteen lieutenants to give you a hand. While none of the work we do is very important, it is important that we do a great deal of it. Don't you agree?"

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:58 | 2970437 Gringo Viejo
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I'm reminded of the Civil War story of the fleeing Union soldier at the 1st battle of Bull Run at Manassas, Virginia. While running, a Union officer yelled "Stop son! Don't you love your Country?" To which the fleeing soldier yelled back, "Yes sir! And I'm trying to get back to it just as fast as I can."

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:35 | 2970682 Gully Foyle
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"What is a country? A country is a piece of land surrounded on all sides by boundaries, usually unnatural. Englishmen are dying for England, Americans are dying for America, Germans are dying for Germany, Russians are dying for Russia. There are now fifty or sixty countries fighting in this war. Surely so many countries can't all be worth dying for."

"Anything worth living for," said Nately, "is worth dying for."

"And everything worth dying for," answered the sacrilegious old man, "is certainly worth living for."
P. 247

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:06 | 2970450 chistletoe
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The funniest thing about all of it is the record of the US military since WW II.

 

I mean, they make the Chicago Cubs look good.

 

Although the americans who write history books say it was a draw, The US had to back down against North Korea in 1953.

Next they spent ten long yezars fighting a war that the french had already lost, in south east asia, which cost ontold lives and billions, on

the trumped up notion that if South Vietnam fell to the communists, every other country in the world would fall, just like dominoes.

No one talks too much anymore about what actually happened ....

 

Next our military, under Carter,  tried a very simple rescue mission of 52 american hostages in Iran.

" On April 24, 1980, Operation Eagle Claw resulted in a failed mission, the deaths of eight American servicemen, one Iranian civilian, and the destruction of two aircraft.", wikipedia.

 

smarthing from these failures, George Bush senior conducted a war-from-a-diostance, against Iraq,  Because he put nobody at risk, nothing was lost.  Of course, nothing was gained, either.

 

by this opoint it is probably worthy of metion that the budget for the US military, including the CIA, the NSA, the VA, and certain section of the imigration departments, the FBI, and other agencies devoted to military matters, has grown to be equal to THE ENTIRE MILITARY SPENDING OF THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD.

 

So, we take two small third rate countries having virtually no military capability whatever (despite the rumors of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" created no doubt by some psychopath upon whom our military had been experimenting with top=secret substances),

and, well, here we are now over ten years later, still conducting something we call war operations or hostilities, with no clear objectives that anybody can state, no goals, and hence no progress whatever from when these actions commenced.  The only clear accomplishment has been the steady accretion of more and more horror stories, abu graib, the afghanistan massacre in the news today, more and more enemies, both within and without.

 

three cheers for the most expensive failures in the entire history of mankind.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:15 | 2970471 economics9698
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Vietnam was a war for the bankers to get the USA off the gold standard.  LBJ added Medicare to the list of goodies and McNamara made sure Westmoreland did not end Vietnam as long as he was defense secretary with ridiculous rules of engagement.

By 1971 there were three times as many dollars as gold.  The bankers had done their job.  McNamara went to work for the world bank after his defense secretary stint and Nixon followed the world banker strategy of dragging on and losing the war with Kissinger.

It the same shit the bastards did in the Napoleonic wars.  Drag the war on, kill gentiles, make money.

Same shit, different century. 

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:59 | 2970577 Oldballplayer
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Since wars are politcis taken to their illogical end, I guess you might consider your post accurate and quite pithy.

However what you fail to point out is that in EVERY case, the US Military has won almost every single major encounter with an enemy since the end of WWII.

The politicians who told the Army to stop, or to enforce stupid rules of engagement are the ones who lost the war.

Your conclusion might be correct, but your origial thesis about the Military being akin to Chicago Cubs is just ignorant.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:55 | 2970753 Urban Redneck
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Now, if the military would just do something about those pesky politicians, they might be allowed to actually win a war, or Heaven forbid, not get involved in one in the first place.

(and unfortunately I say that as an American who has seen first hand the inner workings and vast corruption of the upper echelons of several "independent" militaries)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:25 | 2970949 zerozulu
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Most of the wars we fought or fighting are not for the win but for the profit.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:26 | 2971854 Radical Marijuana
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http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/03/26/empires-then-and-now/

Empires Then And Now

By Paul Craig Roberts, April 3, 2012.

Great empires, such as the Roman and British, were extractive. The empires succeeded because the value of the resources and wealth extracted from conquered lands exceeded the value of conquest and governance. ... The America’s empire extracts resources from the American people for the benefit of the few powerful interest groups that rule America. ... In this new empire, success at war no longer matters. The extraction takes place by being at war. Huge sums of American taxpayers’ money have flowed into the American armaments industries and huge amounts of power into the Department of Homeland Security. The American empire works by stripping Americans of wealth and liberty.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:04 | 2970452 Winston Smith 2009
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"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

"I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket...

"In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

-- Smedley D. Butler, Major General (Ret), United States Marine Corps, two-time Medal of Honor recipient

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:07 | 2970463 lolmao500
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50 years of dying for the banksters... yeah it's worth celebrating...

The only veteran day I will celebrating is the day the military wakes up and hang their leaders.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:11 | 2970608 Totentänzerlied
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After praying for absolution for 200 years of imperialistic sin on every inhabited continent on Earth for the sole benefit of a small number of persons whom in many if not most cases manufactured the very conflicts they sent soldiers to fight and die in.

 

Fool me once...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:30 | 2970664 toomanyfakecons...
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More like 90+ years. Mr. JP Morgan made megabucks brokering steel and arms to the British and French during WWI, and when they couldn't get the job done on the battlefield, 100,000+ American were sent to die to ensure he got paid.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:36 | 2970683 Gully Foyle
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"They are going to kill you if you don't watch out, and I can see now that you are not going to watch out. Why don't you use some sense and try to be more like me? You might live to be a hundred and seven, too."

"Because it's better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees," Nately retorted with triumphant and lofty conviction. "I guess you've heard that saying before."

"Yes, I certainly have," mused the treacherous old man, smiling again. "But I'm afraid you have it backward. It is better to live on one's feet than die on one's knees. That is the way the saying goes."

"Are you sure?" Nately asked with sober confusion. "It seems to make more sense my way."

"No, it makes more sense my way. Ask your friends."
P. 248

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:08 | 2970464 Temporalist
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Let's nor forget the great words of a true American hero and patriot as well (sorry it is so long but click the link below to read the full essay):

On War, by U.S General Smedley Butler (1933)

I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

 

---and a short intro to more---

 

CHAPTER TWO

Who Makes The Profits?

The World War, rather our brief participation in it, has cost the United States some $52,000,000,000. Figure it out. That means $400 to every American man, woman, and child. And we haven't paid the debt yet. We are paying it, our children will pay it, and our children's children probably still will be paying the cost of that war.

The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits -- ah! that is another matter -- twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent -- the sky is the limit. All that traffic will bear. Uncle Sam has the money. Let's get it.

Of course, it isn't put that crudely in war time. It is dressed into speeches about patriotism, love of country, and "we must all put our shoulders to the wheel," but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket -- and are safely pocketed.

 

CHAPTER THREE

Who Pays The Bills?

Who provides the profits -- these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them -- in taxation. We paid the bankers their profits when we bought Liberty Bonds at $100.00 and sold them back at $84 or $86 to the bankers. These bankers collected $100 plus. It was a simple manipulation. The bankers control the security marts. It was easy for them to depress the price of these bonds. Then all of us -- the people -- got frightened and sold the bonds at $84 or $86. The bankers bought them. Then these same bankers stimulated a boom and government bonds went to par -- and above. Then the bankers collected their profits.

But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill.

If you don't believe this, visit the American cemeteries on the battlefields abroad. Or visit any of the veteran's hospitals in the United States. On a tour of the country, in the midst of which I am at the time of this writing, I have visited eighteen government hospitals for veterans. In them are a total of about 50,000 destroyed men -- men who were the pick of the nation eighteen years ago. The very able chief surgeon at the government hospital; at Milwaukee, where there are 3,800 of the living dead, told me that mortality among veterans is three times as great as among those who stayed at home.

Boys with a normal viewpoint were taken out of the fields and offices and factories and classrooms and put into the ranks. There they were remolded; they were made over; they were made to "about face"; to regard murder as the order of the day. They were put shoulder to shoulder and, through mass psychology, they were entirely changed. We used them for a couple of years and trained them to think nothing at all of killing or of being killed.

Then, suddenly, we discharged them and told them to make another "about face" ! This time they had to do their own readjustment, sans [without] mass psychology, sans officers' aid and advice and sans nation-wide propaganda. We didn't need them any more. So we scattered them about without any "three-minute" or "Liberty Loan" speeches or parades. Many, too many, of these fine young boys are eventually destroyed, mentally, because they could not make that final "about face" alone.

 

CHAPTER FOUR

How To Smash This Racket!

WELL, it's a racket, all right.

A few profit -- and the many pay. But there is a way to stop it. You can't end it by disarmament conferences. You can't eliminate it by peace parleys at Geneva. Well-meaning but impractical groups can't wipe it out by resolutions. It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war.

The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nations manhood can be conscripted. One month before the Government can conscript the young men of the nation -- it must conscript capital and industry and labor. Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted -- to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get.

Let the workers in these plants get the same wages -- all the workers, all presidents, all executives, all directors, all managers, all bankers -- yes, and all generals and all admirals and all officers and all politicians and all government office holders -- everyone in the nation be restricted to a total monthly income not to exceed that paid to the soldier in the trenches!

Let all these kings and tycoons and masters of business and all those workers in industry and all our senators and governors and majors pay half of their monthly $30 wage to their families and pay war risk insurance and buy Liberty Bonds.

Why shouldn't they?

They aren't running any risk of being killed or of having their bodies mangled or their minds shattered. They aren't sleeping in muddy trenches. They aren't hungry. The soldiers are!

Give capital and industry and labor thirty days to think it over and you will find, by that time, there will be no war. That will smash the war racket -- that and nothing else.

 

CHAPTER FIVE

To Hell With War!

I am not a fool as to believe that war is a thing of the past. I know the people do not want war, but there is no use in saying we cannot be pushed into another war.

Looking back, Woodrow Wilson was re-elected president in 1916 on a platform that he had "kept us out of war" and on the implied promise that he would "keep us out of war." Yet, five months later he asked Congress to declare war on Germany.

In that five-month interval the people had not been asked whether they had changed their minds. The 4,000,000 young men who put on uniforms and marched or sailed away were not asked whether they wanted to go forth to suffer and die.

Then what caused our government to change its mind so suddenly?

Money.

 

So...I say,

TO HELL WITH WAR!

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:15 | 2970467 economics9698
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Vietnam was a war for the bankers to get the USA off the gold standard.  LBJ added Medicare to the list of goodies and McNamara made sure Westmoreland did not end Vietnam as long as he was defense secretary with ridiculous rules of engagement.

By 1971 there were three times as many dollars as gold.  The bankers had done their job.  McNamara went to work for the world bank after his defense secretary stint and Nixon followed the world banker strategy of dragging on and losing the war with Kissinger.

It the same shit the bastards did in the Napoleonic wars.  Drag the war on, kill gentiles, make money.

Same shit, different century. 

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:09 | 2970468 j-dub
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I work for the VA and was privledged to take care of Robert E Lee's great(possibly great great) grandson a very short time ago. I was regaled with stories of his great grandfather and great great grandfather who also had much influence at that time. Those stories.... What can I say? I won't be forgetting them soon.
Not two weeks ago I was privledged to be taking care of a soldier who guarded the Enola Gay before and after take off. I hung on every word as if I was hanging for dear life.
The veteran's I serve are the reason I get up in the morning, every morning.

Happy Veterans Day

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:11 | 2970479 economics9698
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Well when I was in the military I just wanted to kill gooks.   That’s my story.  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:09 | 2970603 zilverreiger
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Is that you john mccain? old maverick, USA escaped from a madman when they almost elected you and your zionists pals.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:22 | 2970932 j-dub
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And, like it or not, I owe you a great deal.  Whether it was krauts, japs or gooks-you chose to step up for your country and kill the (insert quotes if you want) enemy.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:48 | 2971166 Selah
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Thank you for observing Veteran's Day.

 

Most here want to hurl hatred towards Central Bankers rather than acknowledge the sacrifices of those who serve our country.

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:57 | 2971192 akak
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... rather than acknowledge the sacrifices of those who serve our militarily aggressive, imperialistic, sociopathic, freedom-destroying government.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:18 | 2971541 Bay of Pigs
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This guy is a ridiculous. He equates patriotism for US aggression and militarism.

My Dad is 91 and served in the Pacific in WWII. He says you're full of shit Selah, and I agree with him.

Wake up.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:10 | 2970472 Seize Mars
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Sorry I don't honor those who follow illegal orders.

Brave? Saluting and deploying to some Standard Oil outpost is not courageous. It's cowardly.

It's time for all of you uniformed enforcers to wake up and start acting like real men.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:13 | 2970484 stormsailor
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until you have heard the sound of incoming mars, why don't you just shut the fuck up

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:26 | 2970508 logicalman
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You don't have to be in the military to have faced real danger.

About 20 years ago I went into a building engulfed in flames to get 2 of my friends out - successfully.

I have had to deal with a few other life-threatening situations.

Don't try to make out that no one not in the military can show bravery - that's just plain bullshit.

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:29 | 2970515 stormsailor
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and someone said you did?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:34 | 2970523 Seize Mars
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@stormsailor

Shut the fuck up? Why? What exactly did you *think* I said?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:45 | 2970544 stormsailor
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that you refuse to honor them, on a veterans day thread.

 

dishonoring veterans,   i have many friends who died wearing uniforms and your flippancy pissed me off

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:19 | 2970636 Totentänzerlied
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They died in vain, prosecuting the sadistic power fantasies of their masters, and never questioned it. The Nuremberg Tribunal Court among others established that "just following orders" is no defence at all, neither is "wearing a uniform".

Your friends' deaths enriched the very men who sent them to die, and more likely than not helped to create the hatred many foreigners feel for this country. The just war doctrine does not come into play when the war itself was manufactured and then carried out in barbarous manner in flagrant disregard for international norms and ethical standards. If you military types took that oath seriously, you'd have surrounded and occupied D.C. decades ago, arresting and trying your own leaders for treason, crimes against humanity, etc.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:46 | 2970719 Colonial Intent
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I war not with the dead. Homer (from the Iliad,  Book VII, Line 485, as translated by Alexander Pope, spoken by King Agamemnon)
Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:06 | 2970774 falak pema
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read on to where lady Clytemnestra cuts his throat or has it cut, I can't remember, but Aggy got his comeuppance. 

The splendour of the Ambersons, only this was ancient greece who had fleeced Troy. Andromaque had many lovers; Achilles son and then another one, his brother. She became queen of Epirius and lived happily with him but never forgot Hector.

Much better breed than thos Atreus schweinhunds. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:29 | 2970824 Urban Redneck
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Actually the Nuremberg Trials were a sham, since there was no foundation or precedent, other than "To the victor belong the spoils".  The trials served a valuable PR purpose, and the PR chips were cashed in for the proposed Guantanamo Show Trials, which is why there is such debate among legal scholars about that avenue as a possible legal solution.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:03 | 2970585 Oldballplayer
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Amen!  I took the same oaths as you.  Different places, different times I am sure.  But, the words and meaning were the same.

Some of these OWS assholes don't have any idea what they are talking about. 

Happy Vets day, sir.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:11 | 2970612 stormsailor
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same to you oldballplayer.  happy vets day,  and to those that didn't come back we remember.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:00 | 2970758 Seize Mars
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@stormsailor

I don't remember saying anything about OWS. Did you confuse me with someone else?

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:20 | 2970641 Totentänzerlied
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Fuck OWS, and fuck you too, babykiller.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:41 | 2970700 Colonial Intent
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Those who are not prepared to kill, live at the suffrance of those who are.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 23:50 | 2971611 helping_friendl...
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The oath that says "protect and defend the Constitution against enemies foriegn and domestic"?

So when is the last time the military, actually, abided by the oath?

1812?

I am a student of history and, to my recollestion, 1812 was the last time our constitution was threatened.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbour as a result of Standard Oil.

911 wasn't even close to a threat against our constitution.

You guys say the words but, clearly, have no clue to the meaning of the words.

I'll concede on the Japanese since they were threatening the essense of the constitution but, Osama didn't even come close even though he reeked havoc.

Iraq was a sham. The US Gov't action did more to hurt our constitution than protect it.

Israel is usurping our constitution yet we do nothing?

I am happy you survived but, survival doesn't give you the right to try and justify killing women and children as upholding the "oath".

 "protect and defend the Constitution against enemies foriegn and domestic" doesn't mean do and kill thouisands of innocent civilians in other countries to protect corporate interest.

You might want to change the oath to  "protect and defend the CORPORATIONS against enemies foriegn and domestic". That I would understand and you would be true to the oath you took.

Just wait until the gov't fucks you over and takes your benifits and we will see how your point of view will change.

If you needed a job, I understand. Don't try and say you were protecting and defending the constitution because I refute your claim. Sorry you were mislead. Your reading comprihension skills need work.

Or are you just in denial?

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 03:20 | 2971850 Raymond Reason
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...a breath of fresh air. 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:55 | 2971498 helping_friendl...
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I support your position Mars!

Fuck the ignorant shitheads who don't have a clue!

We fought the NAZIs so we could hire them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Werner von Braun launched over 1000 V-1 and V-2 rockets on London and we hired him to lead NASA send the man to the moon? WTF? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/wernher-von-braun-nazi-nasa-rocket_n_1375556.html

Then there is SS General Reihard Gehlen who worked was hired by the NAZI collaborator, traitor, CIA Director Allen Dulles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen

These guys that rail against you are, either, misinformed or disingenuous! I believe it is the latter.

 

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:12 | 2970482 Motorhead
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I like Ike!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:23 | 2970504 bank guy in Brussels
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Re Ike I always think of Dwight Eisenhower putting to death that young mentally troubled boy by firing squad ...

The only execution for desertion by the Americans in World War II

It was apparently a satanic-type blood sacrifice, there were other members of the American elite there watching as the execution took place

Powerful film from 1974, 'The Execution of Private Slovik', various clips on YouTube

Internet Movie DataBase on the film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071477/

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