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Ron Paul: A New Beginning
From Ron Paul
Ron Paul: A New Beginning
America is over $16 trillion in debt. The “official” unemployment rate still hovers around 8%.
Our federal government claims the right to spy on American citizens, indefinitely detain them, and even assassinate them without trial.
Domestic drones fly over the country for civilian surveillance.
Twelve million fewer Americans voted in 2012 than in 2008, yet political pundits scratch their heads.
It’s not hard to see why, though.
To go along with endorsing a never-ending policy of bailouts, “stimulus packages,” and foreign military adventurism, the establishment of neither major party questions the assaults on Americans’ liberties I’ve named above.
As my campaign showed, the American people are fed up. Many realized heading into Tuesday that regardless of who won the presidential election, the status quo would be the real victor.
GOP leadership is now questioning why they didn’t perform better.
They’re looking at demographic changes in the United States and implying minorities can only be brought into the party by loudly advocating for abandoning what little remains of their limited government platform and endorsing more statist policies.
My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together.
Liberty is popular – regardless of race, religion, or creed.
As long as the GOP establishment continues to not only reject the liberty message, but actively drive away the young, diverse coalition that supports those principles, it will see results similar to Tuesday’s outcome.
A renewed respect for liberty is the only way forward for the Republican Party and for our country.
I urge all my Republican colleagues to join the liberty movement in fighting for a brighter future.
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I'm confused... is your name "Totantanzerlied", too?
Sorry you are right. No harm.
Because neither of them deserve such?
Smoke another one, brah!
Right on!!
Don't forget guns. Without them, you get marched to the ovens.
I work with people from all corners of the globe in my meaningless government job in a country at the bottom of the world (I consider myself lucky). I studied finance at University however now, I would rather lick chewbacca's ball sac than place 1 lousy dime in the non-market. When I talk to my colleagues about how financially rheemed the world is at present, they look at me with blank faces. They wave their Camp Obama Hope flags "all up in my business" as I try to explain to them that his administration is gifting "toilet licking maggot" banks 85 billion USD's a month. I ask them "what kind of hope do you see in giving to the rich what has been raped from the poor?" They say "NO... he won a Nobel Peace Prize, has a little dog and he can tie a Windsor knot". I wonder how on earth has the financial system not completely shat itself already. The answer becomes obvious at lunchtime when I look around the table. No one is talking. The majority are too busy trying to "out-status" their 2346 cyber-friends with meaningless acronym horse-shit. The rest are ramming McGarbage into their sweaty faces as fast as their double chins will allow them. The vast majority of people I know are utterly and completely oblivious as to what is happening. They are all drowning in a debt-frenzied swimming pool of Chinese made crap. I mean for christs sake, the press here is still wanking all over the "Kim Dot Com" saga day in, day out... Jesus!! We are screwed!
This is gonna hit us like a freight train. Like waking up wondering "What the fuck", only to realise that the fat hairy, heaving Indian man lying next to you has just had his way with what is left of your weeping, rashed and aching anus.
Preparation: Body, Mind, Spirit.
All else is ancillary.
A little too little and a little too late. If he had said this a year and a half ago and actually gone Galt on the Repubs that would have been a statement.
Now? It just sounds empty. nice hollow words. I mean, is he suggesting secession? If not, how? What liberty movement? Personal liberty as all good libertarians know is intrinsic, god-given, birth-rghteous.
So what Liberty movement Dr. Paul? Guns and Gold? Are you suggesting breaking away from the system? Starving the beast or playing with it?
Highly disingenuous rhetoric.
ori
Been saying it all his life. Where have you been?
TeamD, saying saying saying,.
I'm talking about doing. He had a chance this time. He had momentum too. Yet he played in the system, did not challenge it.
If had run independently, he might even have had a chance. But he is a party man in the end, little as people here like to acknowledge it, because no one like being had.
ori
Had he run as an independent he would not have participated in any debates (of any importance) and they would have found ways to keep him off the ballot. The Machine has all the money, power, and controls what passes today as journalists. He has been going toe to toe with them for decades, what more do you want?
See my post below for starters.
Is one hell of a machine. Is quite possible that he was already at the extents of what he could say or do without getting thrown overboard. Today though, there really are enough people who "get it" that a unscripted act might actually serve to make the invisbible hand a tad opaque for a moment. THAT would be a step forward in my opinion.
you saw what happened to an "ambassador" now think of your children in R Pauls case his extended family meeting torture and death..they control with scandal: our cia director gov of NY, money corzine, both or the ol standby execution and torture (ambassador) don't like it well meet your true masters or go back to sleep. occam's razor the whole sheebag is to keepem on top..R Paul will be controlled or he will exit this vale of tears.
dude, seriously, he's not that radical a threat, except maybe from your point of viewing.
controlled opposition. keep the sheep voting, and arguing the voting, and waving the voting flags.
go team.
Please present evidence of the control you've asserted exists.
I like RP, but you are largely right ORI. This is another verbal game of patty cake.
Still has me scratching my head really. If he REALLY knows what is up, I would think he could have gamed the system somehow or tossed a few shots over the fence to let folks know. Instead, he played it right up the middle hoping that circumstances would speak for themselves more loudly this time around. That is odd to me. He ought to know the machine is built to marginalize, even demonize, those who stray from the script. Circumstances clearly gave him a bigger edge than ever before - but that alone was not going to change anything... nor is this.
Still hoping for more out of RP.
He believes you can change a person's way of thinking through argumentation. You can, for a small percentage of the population.
For the rest, you have to cauterize parts of their brains.
nice.
give us a heads up before you come out with the trepanning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning
Like we don't know what trepanning is.
If you insist.
Have you ever listened to his talks in person (or better yet, small groups or one-on-one)?
He really does know what's up. When I spoke with him during the 2008 race, he was open with his belief that the economy was going to collapse, and with that the government transformed as well, though he chose his words very carefully. If you ask him what his mission is, he'll repeat something he frequently says in all sorts of venues, including the release above -- he beleives his mission is to spread the liberty message. By far one of the most important things to him during his runs was getting into the presidential debates to get his message out, and he really wasn't under any illusion they'd play fair if he was doing well, though I think he was a bit surprised to what depths they went to stop him, particularly the primaries and the stunt at the convention to prevent him from speaking.
All of this demonstrates both his position and that of TPTB trying to keep him from being seen is that it's a battle of ideas, and not so much votes.
The RNC dirty tricks in iowa, Nevada, Maine, and everywhere else are one thing. Rand Paul's betrayeal of his father is another. Ol' Ron is, well... old. But I find it inexplicable that RP's campaign collapsed, just when he was ready to turn the convention into the ultimate mass-cage fight. But we don't know the whole story. Something happenned, and we'll probably never knoiw what it was. The theory that RP just gave up at the critical moment fits only if one thinks he's one of the evil Masons, on a predetermined couse to derail the GOp and re-elect BO. The other theory is that he was threatened BY the GOP. I prefer the second, but like I said, we'll never know.
Well, i think we will find out. Tis the season for exposure, whistleblowing, hidden cameras, subterfuge, espionage, vested interests...
I think we'll know more and more, faster and faster... it's that time.
ori
I think it will go that way eventually. The hard part will be knowing truth amognst the lies. When predators turn on predators, it's going to be ugly. Especailly when the bigger ones start getting kicked.
I saw that movie, with Adrain Brody trying to go all Arnold. It sucked.
The real reason he quit active campaigning was he ran out of money. Period. I supported him and believe strongly in (most) of his views but at his age he wasn't going to be another one of these failed candidates that leave millions of $ in campaign debt all over the country. It's immoral and not something he would do. And as much as I love the message, he was pulling an average of 10% in primary campaigns involving Republicans. Republicans are 34% of the electorate. Do the math, that's 3.4% of the total voter pool. Sure, he did better in caucus states but that's because the intensity of his support played out better with the smaller caucus turnout. His message is out there as a possible solution once things degerate further. Which they will. Most of us have to accept that the average american won't give up on this kamikaze course until it all blows up. Just like the Japanese during WW2. The country is set on a course and they are along for the ride. 2008-2009 was Hiroshima, the next one will be Nagasaki.
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the ones who know the "truth" will be kicking the shit out of the "liars" - same as it ever was, history.
the only truth that matters is realised, not enForced.
Now there's something we can agree on! Peace pipe?
Indeed.
ORI...what have you "done"?
I see lots of "saying, saying saying" from you tho.
Well....hmmmm..... I'm trying to save the world?
http://squareandc.net
;-)
Doing doing, every day, any way.
ori
No. You just babble, cluttering up the boards with your word-play. What you lack in logic you try to make up with mystery and loose references to things that sound erudite. Your URL is a perfect example.
Worship failed politicians much?
Opposing a point of view is a cluttter-up? hmmmm....
Well, sadly for the rest of the world, what American fuck-wits do affects us all through your murderous MIC/Government machine. You belong, by birth, to a mad-phase leviathan that is killing people aroudn the world, every day in henious and totally un-necessary ways/reasons.
And this is where I choose to state my point of view about it. Don't like it? Fuck, you think I care? popo?
This is Fight Club.... right? popo?
hilarious... I suggest shoving your red-hot manifest destiny up a place that does not see much light of day.
The problem with you is you don't care. But of course you cannot see that.
Larry, Curly and Mo made Americans by and large apthetic, taught you to laugh at someone's pain.
Apathetic, lacking empathy.
ori
Not that I have anything against you, indi.. but I feel compelled to say that this country has been invaded (yes, invaded) by foreign born people who WANT this massive, murderous, machine. A shit-ton of us are trying to fight back, but my real point is that it's not us.. it's the outsiders; people not from our country; and in the case of or illustrious president, a person who spent his formative years in another country learning everything "bad" about America. Or rather, why America is bad for the bad guys. So it's foreigners, gaining citizenship, who insist on bringing their culture with them and insist on making this country like the one they left. It would be as if I came to your house, became part of your family and started re-decorating to make it look like my house and changed the value system of your family by forcing mine.
If you want to make a difference, kindly tell those mother fuckers to stay the fuck out my country if they want to do that. If you want to come here, you come here and YOU ASSIMILATE. Become American or go the fuck back to what ever shit-hole, gov't controlling, country you came from.
They were invited in to provide"multi-culturalism".
...It would be as if I came to your house, became part of your family and started re-decorating to make it look like my house and changed the value system of your family by forcing mine.
You're absolutely correct. But UGrev, I'm a bit confused... unless you're a native (ie, indigenous) American, how are you not descended from people who did exactly that?
Besides, the US has been on the path to empire since the 'Civil' war. Or was that large-scale Americans-on-Americans slaughter the fault of foreigners too?
I was born here.. and my grand parents came here to ESCAPE the burden of gov't. On top of that they INSISTED that we all spoke english at home and in public. Those were very different times, my friend. Times where people came here to escape and start new and WANTED to be American. Now, it's nothing like that.
I've heard that argument a brazillion times.. it's an old and tired argument and it just doesn't work with me. This is a war we are in and the winner gets to call it. If the leeches win, they get the trophy of calling history. That's how it always works and has worked since the beginning of time.
And my point is that 'foreigners' aren't the problem. Americans are now just as 'leech-like' as everyone else, with the exception that through the petrodollar we're managing to leech off the entire world.
Oh, I forget - they do get something in exchange. DU for instance, spread at great speed by our freedom-loving and highly moral soldiery.
Foreigners still entering this country and bringing their fucking baggage. Not entirely the problem. ok.. but still the origin.
dude, on a long enough timeline, even your "family" were "foreigners" to this land mass. you've just decided to draw an arbitrary line in the sand that says you've decided naming the land mass excludes others - this act has a very very long tradition behind it.
it's called "colonisation" and it's still ongoing today. . .
Ultimately the Earth belongs to prokaryotes. They were upstaged by stromatolites, the dirty bastards, and it's all been downhill from there.
"Ultimately the Earth belongs to prokaryotes. "
So true... Well observed. They are ultimately planning to retake their ownership of this world. I watch their battles daily in my line of work and they are winning this silent war. Why do I feel we are living a kind of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe type of reality all of a sudden? Wars everywhere, macro and microscopic.
Miffed:-)
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I'm pro-prokaryote and I vote!
Stromatolites - I never liked those guys.
I agree, constantly flaunting their unnatural photosynthetic lifestyle --- it's disgusting!
I'm not saying that photosynthesis between consenting molecules should be outlawed, but for God's sake, keep in confined to the chloroblasts where it belongs!
Sitting over there in the balmy water, looking just like big round rocks... I tell ya, it ain't natural! There oughta be a law!
Microbiological foreplay? The tease mount :-)
Miffed:-)
Sorry, I'm a lawyer and I represent self-replicating molecules as the original owners of Earth.
Prokaryotes are johnnies-come-lately.
I hadn't realized that taxonomy could lead to such litigiousness. I'm almost sorry I brought it up.
Blaming it on foreigners? Wow. It really has come to that. Take a look at the foreign made shit you own. Take a look at the religious people you put into positions of power. Goldwater is now Santorum. It is the fault of the Americans, and I should know-- I'm one of them. We deserve it.
Take a look at the domestic made shit that you own.. oh wait, that's right.. you can't because we don't MAKE A FUCKING THING anymore. I didn't put jack-shit into power. I voted RP. It's the fault of the sheep-like Americans who have been brainwashed into thinking being American is something it is not.
I'm seriously tired of having to press 2 for english. There should be ONLY english. Foreign languages on labels? FUCK YOU. People speaking foreign languages in public outside of teaching their children the language? UNACCEPTABLE!!! (unless you're visiting). Foreigners have pushed that shit because they are unwilling to assimilate. Pussies have supported it because they want to be "nice"..
Foreigners succeeded in subverting freedom and liberty by bringing their socialist belief system with them. After 200 years, America has attained a love of government nearly equal to that of Europe.
There may be brief periods of government retrenchment, but nothing is going to bring small government to America again.
The only way to reestablish freedom and liberty in the modern world is the Jewish method: use intelligence and abilities to influence the general public.
Unless you have a lot of time, it's best to do this in a small population country, like Chile or New Zealand.
great, let's build a fucking holocaust museum in borneo.
Press '2' for prokaryote...
Not to egg you on, but my "I Voted" sticker was written in both English and Spanish. Slightly odd considering I was the only cracker and all others were Asian.
Post of the day. This is a fun thread,
...Well, sadly for the rest of the world, what American fuck-wits do affects us all through your murderous MIC/Government machine.
Chum, you sound like AnAnonymous with your broad-brush depictions of Americans - which are, often enough, correct, but fail to take into account the key fact that the vast majority of people in YOUR country are no better or different. Kashmir? Caste system? Honor killings? Roadside blobbings up? The fact is most people are simply uninterested in economics or monetary theory and are happy to take free lunches, and your countymen are no different.
You think the USD with its world reserve currency is bad? Imagine if it had been the rupee *snort*
Well, only an American would imagine that the world NEEDS a reserve currency. Now go wrestle with all the implications of the above.
Something tells me Zh has jumped a shark somewhere.
Sad.
ori
Because there never was a pound sterling.
Well, only an American would imagine that the world NEEDS a reserve currency.
And only the "Un Original Indian" would think that's what I was advocating.
Oh dear.... your ability to comprehend anything like the subtleties of an argument just goes to pieces the moment you're challenged, doesn't it?
Well, only an American would imagine that the world NEEDS a reserve currency.
Now go wrestle with all the implications of the above.
Oh parochial Indian!
O Prokaryote Injun fails to recall that the concept of a reserve currency is as old as the nation-state. The difference was that it was gold--no counterparty risk, no "exorbitant privilege", no Bretton Woods Betrayals---something that Ron Paul was always faithful to remind us. Not that it did any good.
Wait, I take back that last. It did a lot of us some good: Those who listened and traded Bernanke Charmin for real money. If it wasn't for those boating accidents, I'd be all set.
may as well throw "pontificating" in with erudite
Love the coded magnet clock picture :)
Agree- Paul could have started a third party movement. This was the year to plant the seed. Now what? He gets to say I told you so in 2016 when the crap really hits the fan? We needed someone to vote for and he let the country down. If he becomes the "Grandfather" of a third party movement that starts now he can have my respect back. I do not need to hear another speech.
Let the old guy enjoy his golden years and go fishing, for fuck's sake! We have no claim on his life, right? He's done great things, and has brought the ideas of the liberty movement to enough people that he should be allowed to step back now and watch the show. He's done enough and deserves to just be happy and live his life, not have to answer to or earn back the respect of people who are disappointed that he didn't do what they wanted him to do. My god.
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I agree. let's see how the next team player keeps the ball rollin'. . .
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-08/ron-paul-pure-democracy-dangero...
That would work if the Rethuglican's won. Having 2 parties on the books for fucking this country up would open the doors for 3rd party. Now, not so much.. but at least he won't be battling the Dem's AND the Rethugs.. it'll just be the Rethug's. After this shit storm hits, the Dem's will be done.
Red and blue must exit at the same time as they are joined at the hip.
I would love to see a group of free thinking Americans come together and build Galts Gulch. But, at this state of the game more Americans prefer to be looters and producers.
"than producers"...
But, I got your drift and agree. In fact, one could look at this whole mess and conclude from the social aspects alone that we are in for a rude awakening. Add in the economic component to it, and suddenly things get real scary real fast.
Sorry Centerline, not, "than producers", but, "Looters and Producers".
Don't get caught up in the literary NG. Someone has to produce. Such is survival. If a play on words is what you are after, be more direct. Word games are also part of the problem.
The answer is a combination of Going Galt and Cloward-Piven. Starve the beast and suck off it's teet at the same time.
Yes, somebody understands the big picture! I didn't think anyone would understand what I was saying. I'm not sure why you got the down arrow? Must have hit a nerve?
Any mention of the Gulch generates compulsory down votes from the moochers. And as the moochers depend on clawing the decayed remains of productive individuals from the maw of the beast any talk of starving the monster is also down voted.
Crockett, I am surprised that LTER has not automatically appeared here at your implicit reference to Ayn Rand, foaming at the mouth to once again (for the 154,239th time) mistakenly chastise all those who advocate "selfishness". Give it a few minutes --- I'm sure she'll be along in short order.
Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice!
What is needed is for a large number of retirees to move overseas.
"a large number of retirees need to move overseas"
You're going to get your wish. As the Fed adulterates the money stock to Harare, those Social Security checks will shrink to postage-stamp size. You may not realize how many oldish Californians and Arizonans are already planning to retire to Mexico, where food costs half (or less) what it costs here, and the living is easy. Retiring boomers are also trickling into Panama, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and some of the cheaper parts of Europe. The trickle will swell to a flood.
How many people know that San Salvador is one of the fastest growing cities in the world?
At least the People's House of Congress isn't going to commit suicide anytime soon. I'll remind you the newly elected el Presidente's budget got zero votes last time......so their's really no hope coming from there.
HE will just end around them, and do like he has, as he pleases.
Declare a Nat'l State of Emg, and put the Crown on, and snag the scepter.
looking for a 4th to play bridge or poker?
Won't win the Senate!
A great man , with a awesome vision, Ron Paul for Tx Gov?
looking at all the geniuses(W,Perry) that you guys have put in office for years that wiil be a vast improvement . TX W/O oil is Northern Mexico.
His heart is in the right place, but its pretty clear that the majority doesn't care about Liberty anymore as much as they care about free stuff. In our consumerist society, free stuff will trump every time. Sad, but increasingly true.
It wasn't the (not really existent) free-stuff brigade that put the knife in Ron Paul. It was the neo-cons, Christian jihadis, Israel lobby, and Wall Street. It happened in the Republican primaries, remember.
Ron Paul would have been a tough sell because he is eccentric and his libertarian principles abruptly disappear when it comes to reproductive freedom. But a credible and truly libertarian and economic-naitonalist candidate would do well, better than Romney.
lost I read your reproductive freedom ism and well lost is the best word for you..you either do not understand R Paul's stand or are purposely twisting it..even if you believe it yourself. try looking for your true masters those that use you to attack one of the few people who could have animpact on the elite reptiles power hold on us..the fed would come to mind.
How so?
Still on the fence.
Sorry, having U.S. army drones watching me move my bowels makes me feel , I don't know,........important..
me 155,795,959 ; so that make us the majority.
Odd how the Republicans treat paul like shit but he refuses to leave the party or even organize a large contingent to change it.
Paul is just a magnet for the fringe elements of the party to be drawn in and discarded.
Every good con man will say what you want to hear. Then use you up.
Yeah? How's that working out for them?
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/06/election-2012-ron-pauls-re...
Your link didn't work for me (I think there is a space at the end of your shared link) so I am posting one that does:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/06/election-2012-ron-pauls-re...
oops!
Thanks
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.” ? Alexis de Tocqueville (29 July 1805 – 16 April 1859)
Ignore the 'sell by ' date.
Sell it anyway, never mind the salmonella.
"And now, folks, it's time for "Who do you trust!" Hubba, hubba, hubba! Money, money, money! Who do you trust? Me? I'm giving away free money. And where is the Batman? HE'S AT HOME WASHING HIS TIGHTS!"
Jack Nicholson as The Joker. (1989).
JOHN GAULT WILL LEAVE.
ATLAS WILL SHRUG.
POINT OF FACT...
MANY THINK THIS IDEA IS ABOUT LABOR...
IT IS NOT.
CAPITAL WILL LEAVE TO WHERE IT IS TREATED BETTER.
THAN WE'LL REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM.
Thanks for that. One of the most inciteful things I've read in a while. Really.
Was that a play on words or did you mean "insightful?"
Capital? What Capital? If by Capital you mean Gold then yes. If you mean capital created by the Jew confetti credit machine at every central bank of the world for the purpose of enslaving mankind to government then you have missed the point of everything that has transpired in the world for the last 300 years. If money can be so easily manipulated by the government and its unrighteous laws, your so called capital is really only your own ability to survive without the aid or assistance from other people. Keeping your skill set proprietary is no longer really an option in todays information society. Rule of law is required in every society. That means that when government gets involved and breaks it own laws there can be no more society
RE: Lordbyroniv
CAPITAL WILL LEAVE TO WHERE IT IS TREATED BETTER.
I am really tired for this old argument. Can we admit what should be obvious to all.
- In order for CAPITAL to leave, it has to be assured that it is protected in its new place. Capital has been protected by the blood and hard work of all American generations, especially those that have sacrificed in the military through 2 World Wars.
- US military provides the "protection" which , allows the US TBTF banks and multinationals to take capital anywhere in the world and make a profit all under the protection of our boys and girls in uniform.
- Uncle sugar through Bennie and his jets is also the protector of everyones captial on the planet through moneytary swaps, futures, etc.
SO PLEASE - DONT GIVE THE BS of "CAPITAL WILL LEAVE TO WHERE IT IS TREATED BETTER."
Very fiew capitalist entities would survive on this planet, were it not for the US. Out country is in the protection racket and business. Capital (regardles of its national origin,) does not move without this implicit guarantee of protection.
Capital can be accrued and deployed by those who are not capitalists.
Give a small group of people a monopoly on violence, and the right to steal, in order to protect us from violence and theft? Got it.
This why the right of self defense what recognized in the 2A
Money, capital, has a life of its own. It's a force of the nature like gravity, like the oceans, it flows where it wants to flow.
You are so full of theoratical BS. If your argument is true then why people throughout the world are not rushing to invest in in a number of money hell holes on this planet.
Can we get Paul as President in a parallel USA government that replaces the official one?
This is the only politician that makes sense in the USA anymore.
find such a space, then invite him, see what happens. . .
Germans are in, too.
(Regardless of what nuts like Jan Fleischhauer would have you believe).
Revolution
It's time to love the fellow man in the original way and not the internet-twisted way. We need to believe enough that liberty should mean something for everyone, even if they are from some other country or have a different color of skin. And we need to put people into office who aren't there as a cult of personality or as a grab for power. We had neither of those choices this time. We can do better. We have to do better...if this country is still standing in four years.
Failing that, let's all move to Texas, secede from the USSA, and have Ron Paul as Prez with Kyle Bass second in line.
Harris County sees things differently. Been here 50 years..cant wait to get out
You have to love his words. But why did he run away when America needed him?
I will not forget...
There's more to HIS story that we should be told that we will never hear about. Very sad Ron.
Perhaps they threatened to rape then murder his family in front of him. What would that do to your motivation?
Ron didn't run away. He's here and speaking to us right now. There's an entire article right there at the top of the page.
Many people devoted hundreds of hours and thousands of $$$ so that we could finally witness Ron penning an article for his sheeple? Fabulous... He was running for the President of the United States. He won Iowa. But didn't contest the states that he probably also won. His own son stabbed him in the back by supporting Romney. Jesse Benton was a traitor and joined forces to betray him. He said nothing. He did nothing.
He was a man of words. He knew what the Federal Reserve was really up to. He knew that there was NEVER going to be a real audit. He never had a meaningful bill passed in the entire time of his tenure. I like the man. I think that he has great integrity. I think that he believed his purpose was to educate the people, but NEVER to reach a point where any ACTION would become of his beliefs.
When he saw that there truly was a groundswell of positive and emotive force that could result in an actual revolutionary change in the political landscape in this once Republic - he shrank from it and HE did indeed run, elblows flaying in the wind. Some may believe that the PTBs put a bullet to his head or his family. A real man would stand from the rooftops and declare the truth. Your founders did. Is that not what you want from a true leader? Instead of excuses?
Better than a traitorous Rand Paul in my opinion.
Ron was a man of words. Then the words became silent. Now he's out with the words again, now that the game is over...
I wanted to believe.
Proceed with the down votes... I love them. Interesting to see how many at Zerohedge have drank the KoolAid.
You may be disappointed that this iteration of revolution has gone unfulfilled but the fault was not that Ron Paul had feet of clay. Ron Paul is but John the Baptist. You are your own Messiah.
Please forgive an atheist for offering such Biblical allusions but they seem fitting and accurate to this humble but sovereign soul.
The Messiah did not go to the Temple and ask for donations for His cause... He should never have taken money for a cause that he knew that he would not COMMIT to till the end. That was his FATAL mistake.
Ron Paul was NEVER my Messiah.
I am no Messiah.
You didn't read what I wrote. I didn't say that Ron Paul was the Messiah. I said that you are your own Messiah -- which unfortunately for you means you're SOL -- as you refuse to realize that your life is what you make it.
You. unfortunately lack reading comprehension skills. I state quite clearly, " I am no Messiah." - Hence, not for myself, nor for ANYONE! Can I be more clear? You may believe that you are your own Messiah, that is for you to decide. You, however, incredulously judge me in by proclaiming that I am SOL for not falling in line with your beliefs. I, however, do not judge you. Feel free to believe what you will.
Peace
I comprehend fine. You said:
In that passage you equate Ron Paul with being the failed Messiah. Those are actions which you attribute to him and not yourself.
Yes, you did and that's is why I replied:
Your life is your own. Go live it and stop bitching about how the people who you thought would take care of you have let you down.
Oooooh, you had me, right up to the "move to Texas" part.
I would not move to Texas Long soup line, pretty women, good bbq , good hunting, men that will kick youre ass if you smart off. Texas aint the place for limp wristed little boys.
and a soon-to-be white minority speaking spanish to conduct business-sounds great. TX can thank The Bernank for $90 a barrel oil-at $35 a barrel TX is broke.
We have the Mexicans out numbred and out guned, and they are easy to whop. I'll will tell you now sir No one here speaks spanish unless they want to. when this shit finally blows there will be a cloud of dust kicked up by the Mexicans headed south I will miss the food...
Well, it is old Mexican territory y'know.
Which was taken by the usual subterfuge/bribery/skullduggery, regardless of whatever heroic battle story Americans have been fed. It's kind of a right to return story, much like the Palestinians.
ori
Ori,
rather they got the peoples republic of Kalifornia first.
They won't want Texas after that.
Hah. But I think, being realists, they'd prefer the oil to Silly-Con Valley and Hollywood?
ori
Indeed, owning the rights to a natural resource like oil (Texas) is easier to get money from than having to continually come up with something new (Silicon Valley).
.No it ain't no fuckin right to return bullshit. The mexican gov. lied so the Texans took over the management. same thing needs to happen again on a bigger scale' . I don,t have time to give you a history lesson.. Right to return give me a fuckin break...
ALAMO
LMAO
ori
Edit: Brief...bribery, slavery, exploitative capitalist land grab.
"Beginning in the early 19th century, Anglo settlers from the U.S. began illegally crossing into Texas--setting up farms and plantations on Mexican land. The slaveowners in the Southern U.S. constantly needed new land to expand into. Northwest Mexico (what is now the U.S. Southwest) looked very promising to them. The northern capitalists were also eyeing this area for opening trade to the western region of the continent and as a source of minerals.
Sensing a threat from the U.S., the Spanish government tried to control Anglo-American immigration. Mexico won independence from Spain in 1821 and the new government followed a policy of allowing Anglo-Americans to settle. They were given land grants--provided they became Mexican citizens and converted to Catholicism. By 1835, Texas had about 35,000 inhabitants--both Anglo immigrants and Tejanos (Mexican people born in Texas). The Anglo immigrants outnumbered Tejanos 6 to 1.
Then the Mexican government abolished slavery--and the Anglo slaveowners and their allies rose up in a reactionary war to tear Texas away from Mexico. They put out a call for Americans to come to their aid-- promising to give mercenaries free land."
You can see why so many Americans are Zionists... stealing other people's land makes us feel right at home.
It's nothing like the Palestinians. Nothing.
The flag that flew over the Alamo was a Mexican flag. And they weren't demanding independence they were demanding the government respect the rights given them in the Mexican constitution of 1824. It became a fight for independence when General Antonio de Santa Anna began massacring Texans to 'put down' the rebellion.
When my tribe arrived in Galveston over one hundred years ago they learned two new languages, English & Spanish. Spanish was spoken here first and English arrived with white settlers on Mexican land grants. Both have been spoken here ever since.
Plenty of folks, including some of my neighbors, through willful ignorance or otherwise claim Texas Independence as a white man victory over the Mexicans. A ridiculous notion. Just as many Hispanic Texan Heroes as Caucasians.
I'm a Texas bohunk. I speak English & Spanish.
Land Grab + Slavery play. All the heroes (Davy Crockoshit and his ilk, merceneires all)...
On March 6, 1836, the Mexican Army, commanded by the president of Mexico, General Antonio López de Santa Anna, retook the Alamo, killing all 182 Texan defenders. All but nine of them were Anglo invaders--many (like the land speculator Davy Crockett) who had just recently arrived in Texas as mercenaries. Jim Bowie (another "hero" of the Alamo) was a despicable slave trader and slave smuggler. The commander of the Anglos was Colonel Travis, another mercenary.
Six weeks after the fall of the Alamo, the Anglo forces surprised the Mexican Army at the Battle of San Jacinto. In that battle, the Texans shouted "Remember the Alamo" to justify their bloody revenge and massacre. General Santa Anna was captured. In return for having his life spared, Santa Anna signed a treaty recognizing Texas' independence.
One of the first official acts of the new "Republic of Texas" was to legalize slavery. In 1845 Texas was admitted into the United States as a slave state, and soon joined the Southern slave Confederacy in the U.S. Civil War.
So a revolution got hi-jacked by monied interests. What else is new?
The Mexicans shouldn't have tried to disarm the Texans.
The Mexicans should have realized that inviting Americans into Texas, whether they nominally adopted Catholicism or not, was a losing play long term. They thought they'd profit but they ended up with a total loss. And so go the unintended consequences when governments attempt to regulate the acts of masses of men.
Erm.. uh.. so like, The Entirety of EVERY country was "Taken" by conquest. .WTF indi.. you cannot be that stupid..
He's not stupid, he's an operative. He makes good music though.
yea and maybe the Saxons should be able to kick the normans out of england....or maybe the Celts can kick out the Saxons after they kick out the Normans.....
It was Spanish territory before it was Mexican, and it was various Indian tribes before the spanish took it from them...
All this "right of return" crap is just that CRAP
Amen..
"The USA stole Texas from the Mexicans, who stole it from Spain, who stole it from the Comanches, who stole it from the Apaches, who stole it from the Caddo and Karankawa.....blah, blah, blah."
No one ever owned Texas. People are born on the land, people die, and they disappear into the land again. Get over it.
the Bush family might have other plans for "your" state - George P. Bush, Hispanic, is setting his sights,
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/09/george-p-bush-nephew-former-p...
"Texas aint the place for limp wristed little boys."
You've got to be outta your mind. You're ex-president had homosexual Jeff Gannon visit him dozens of items entertaining his pole while in the White House making it more white. In college he was a male cheerleader smoking more poles. As a Canadian I go down to Texaco and watch the slobs try and climb into their make-believe trucks, tuck their blubber-guts behind steering wheels to poke their way to the next all-you-can eat buffet. Manly? I don't think so.
Time for the shoot-em-um range. Sure, blotto vs blubber battling a pretend enemy over a pretend constitution over some watered down Budweiser.
Give me a break.
Amurka is dead.
It is a Corporation. Face it fast. You are cattle at birth once you have a birth certificate. Your states are incorporated. You are incorporated. You live in a fascist incorporated corporate institution.
Canada is a Parliamentary Socialist State
Take your pick
But admit that Texas and the MAJORITY of its male citizens are NOT masculine. They have been femininized like most of the rest of the males in the country. Three days in the wild and they would not know how to survive. Period.
We wouldn't want you here anyway. We only want free men and free women with conscience and character.
Why don't you stay at home and fix your own problems there? Why don't you secede where you stand? How's running to Texas going to solve anything? What in the world makes people think secession is easy?
There are no laws or treaties in place that explicitly allow for Texas to secede. Let me say that again in the general case... there is no law on the books which either allows or forbids secession of any state in the Union. If that happens, regardless of which state, we'll be back to where we were during the Civil War... political will and military force determining who stays and who's allowed to leave. The results will not be peaceful or pretty.
No one is getting out easy so you may as well lay those grand schemes to rest. It would be a breath of fresh air if all the Constitution "experts" on this board actually took the time to read and understand it. They would quickly notice the lack of any explicit wording around the topics of secession and readmission. Talk of secession is a "get out your guns" moment and you can quickly find yourself labeled a traitor and terrorist. Despite all the big talk here I can guarantee the vast majority of folks do not want or need that shit in their lives. Don't hold your breath waiting for any secession movement in the USA to be anything worth worrying about. Texas is not ready to secede in any way shape or form despite claims to the contrary.
Well said all around PTS. This is all just more inflammatory rhetoric. Words, words, words.
Would Texas let border towns seceed fromt eh State if they felt like being a part of the US? Who would define the borders.
But there is a strange precedent in India, CIA funded of course, when Sikh extremist elements were funded to create a Sikh 9Independent) homeland in the heart of India. Of course it failed. What a dumb Idia, that a nation would allow a hostile state right in it's heart.
Dumb talk. I like your point about where you stand.
ori