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Ron Paul: A New Beginning
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Ron Paul: A New Beginning
America is over $16 trillion in debt. The “official” unemployment rate still hovers around 8%.
Our federal government claims the right to spy on American citizens, indefinitely detain them, and even assassinate them without trial.
Domestic drones fly over the country for civilian surveillance.
Twelve million fewer Americans voted in 2012 than in 2008, yet political pundits scratch their heads.
It’s not hard to see why, though.
To go along with endorsing a never-ending policy of bailouts, “stimulus packages,” and foreign military adventurism, the establishment of neither major party questions the assaults on Americans’ liberties I’ve named above.
As my campaign showed, the American people are fed up. Many realized heading into Tuesday that regardless of who won the presidential election, the status quo would be the real victor.
GOP leadership is now questioning why they didn’t perform better.
They’re looking at demographic changes in the United States and implying minorities can only be brought into the party by loudly advocating for abandoning what little remains of their limited government platform and endorsing more statist policies.
My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together.
Liberty is popular – regardless of race, religion, or creed.
As long as the GOP establishment continues to not only reject the liberty message, but actively drive away the young, diverse coalition that supports those principles, it will see results similar to Tuesday’s outcome.
A renewed respect for liberty is the only way forward for the Republican Party and for our country.
I urge all my Republican colleagues to join the liberty movement in fighting for a brighter future.
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There are a lot of debates about the right of the State or the states which are have no explicit foundation in the Constitution or Statutory Law. There is however, a very explicit process laid out out in Article 4 of the Constitution regarding how new states are admitted to the union, as well as a very explicit process laid out out in the Ordinance of Annexation for subdividing Texas, as affirmed by the Supreme Court.
Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution; and such states as may be formed out of the territory lying south of thirty-six degrees thirty minutes north latitude, commonly known as the Missouri Compromise Line, shall be admitted into the Union, with or without slavery, as the people of each State, asking admission shall desire; and in such State or States as shall be formed out of said territory, north of said Missouri compromise Line, slavery, or involuntary servitude (except for crime) shall be prohibited."
Other than just about everything else you wrote, however, I do agree that Texas is not ready to secede in any way shape or form despite claims to the contrary.
People forget that the "State's Rights" argument is a two-edged sword. If State's Rights proponents argue that a state's right to secede is implied because they joined the Union as independent states, a strong argument can also be made that an indivisible Union was also implied in the US Constitution. I believe we can all agree that the framers clearly intended national dominance in their design of the structure of the US Constitution. The alternative was yet another Articles of Confederation approach, which didn't work well in practice and was an experiment the framers had no intention of repeating.
Again, it all boils down to "sure, a state can secede, but not without serious consequence". There is no law or treaty language to "cover a state's ass", as it were, should the citizens of a state in the US decide to secede from the Union. Admission of new state language certainly does not cover that scenario. We're talking about secession and _readmission_, which aren't covered.
If you are going to argue originalism, the framers CLEARLY were afraid of the expanding domain of the federal State, this is evident in both the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, as well as the contemporary accounts of the ratification debates. The question for Texas, is first- is there a will to succeed, and second- if there is a will is the guaranteed path followed, or is a broader right of succession advocated for under the banner of State's Rights? The required actions under either path are known, perhaps not widely, the consequences of said actions, however, are far more unclear, even before trying to estimate the federal response to said actions. For example, if the will to succeed exists and the former path is chosen, how will those who do not wish to succeed be dealt with? That is a paramount obstacle, whereas the relocation of the current state capital to facilitate subdivision is relative minor inconvenience.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
But yes, there will be no secession allowed. And talk like that will get you sent to a FEMA re-education camp fer sure.
Dear Lord,
Why do we have people that begin great with the idea of taking power away from large government( secede from the USSA), and then in the next sentence (have Ron Paul as Prez with Kyle Bass second in line.), they want to give it back.
Won't they ever learn? Power given to anyone, any government grows and becomes corrupt which is why power is to be for the individual. To make my point, I ask you this. Let's say HoofHearted got his wish and Texas left the USSA. And let's say RP became governor or president of the country of TX with Bass second in line. Can HoofHearted promise me that in 20 years that there won't be some politician elected that expands governmental powers and makes TX citizens slaves?
You have great enthusiasm but your thought is fundamentally flawed as I have illustrated above. We need to stop putting any politician on peddle stools and take back the power to the people. Until that is done, you are just repeating the same thing over and over again. Just remember, that originally American politicians served as PART-TIME work as most had their own businesses and wanted to be back home instead of in Washington DC. Their political work was about protecting the country from outside forces, not being engaged in every internal social issue. Now everything is a national crisis and Federal government has to be involved in everything, which invites more corruption. I don't see RP or any other politician adhering to those ideas or personally acting on it with things like term limits. Saying and voting is one thing, but backing it up with action is much more.
We can get there before revolution, but that is getting more and more unlikely. When the victor wins by promising reee shit and then paying people to "get out to vote" essentially, that paradigm will always win. I was scratching my head about the "about face" that Sean Hannity had on immigration, as well as the rest of the GOP talking heads. IT is NOT demographics, it is exactly what Dr. Paul stated; failed compliance with the constitution.
I urge ALL Republicans to abandon the "Grand Old Party" It no longer (and has not for some time) been the "party of Lincoln. It is not about constitutionalism and a "conservative" interpretation of it, it has all been about the "social conservatism" as the same the liberal agenda is about "social progressiveness".
Social and cultural influences have NOTHING to do with the ideal of liberty, and we need to get back to that.
It has ween WAY too long but there needs to be a constitutional party, what the "government "can do" and "cannot do" irrespective of how much campaign cash is shoveled in a corrupt persons way.
All BS. Look around you. Where do you see this happening in throughout the country? All I see is a lot of sheep grazing.
Terrorist...
sign me up
This used to be the status quo....what a shame we lost it...
Battle lost...War on.
You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.
John Adams 2nd President
When I made this comment ( 2969517 2 or 3 comments above) it was the 4th comment on page one, it is now low down on page 4. This is why folks 'cheat' the page by 'reply' rather than by new comment.
while I understand your complaint, it's the format rather than the posters - how can one "reply" to a comment - which is what Fight Club is, yes? - without hitting the "reply" button - there are other formats that allow for each reply to stay threaded to each original comment, but that's not what this space offers currently.
what it is the liberty movement and how does it differentiate itself from the GOP juggernaut; he doesn't address that.
Is Liberty party just a slim-lite government version of GOP; like coca lite of coca cola?
Pay attention, I say pay attention, I say pay attention, boy.
(Anyone remember the great Foghorn Leghorn?)
I'm all ears. WHat's the point of talking about debt if you have no hands-on solutions to offer and an implementation strategy to put it into practice.
Romney had none what does Paul propose?
We all know the economy is at the heart of our problems.
Paul proposed declaring bankruptcy in late '08/early '09. Debt repudiation through default is the only logical solution then and now.
USA goes Argentina! Yikes!
You know thats the shortest route to Boot Hill if u propose that?
These guys are the meanest in the world.
And WW3 to boot, to nail his coffin to the Cross as an example to all others!
And he knows it, thats why he stays in GOP quietly, like O'B has as head donkey. He doesn't want to end up like Lincoln.
After Aldous Huxley day, the world has been warned...
Or we could just print the money and see what happens..
There is no good outcome for this. All the debt monetizing is just delaying the inevitable. The USA went bankrupt 4 years ago. Let's hit bottom and move on, shall we?
Amen, but try convincing the MIC and the WS clique....then you'll know who Genghis Khan is.
Uhhh ... we are way past the point of being able to "convince" these guys (MIC, WS, NWO,) of anything. They are in peak power. They are at the top of the pyramid. They are not about to give up everything because some muppet comes up and says "Hey, I have a better idea".
And your solution when the USA has no choice is?
Do you know how many empires paid off their debt when they dominated the world and grew a national debt larger then their GNP? Answer: Zero.
Ball is in your count. I look forward to you solution.
Not Argentina. Iceland.
Which is doing quite well nowadays, thanks to their lack of bailouts for their banksters.
Argentina is a socialist state. They would default and then do the same thing they did before. This is not what RP was proposing. Following default, spending would be cut and we would start living within our means.
No-one is going to get into a shooting war with the US, nor will there be a hot WWIII. If you think that would be the result, then you are one of the biggest dufuses around here.
The U.S. Defaulted long ago. A private banking cartel is simply trying to figure out what to do with it's property now.
There is one little problem though that they have behind every blade of grass...
Judging by the divide and conquer efforts, executive orders, ammo purchases, militarization of civilian police, perpetual wars, etc. they are working the kinks out and the efforts have been redoubled to the point the movement is disturbingly visible now. Let the Hunger Games begin.
Visible to the people that are actually looking.
There are still a ton of people with their eyes closed and others are immersed in the fine art of cognitive dissonance.
Awakened
Hyperinflation is the choosen vehicle for the debt jubilee you mention. It is inelegant but efficient. If you understand this (and every sign points to it though none will admit it) you will begin to prepare for it.
1) do not fear debt you can service
2) put your wealth into real things, gold being number one
3) get your wealth out of paper whether cash, bonds or notes. Just keep the cash you need for day to day transactions.
4) if you choose the keep equities choose those that can survive the hyperinflationary fire. Even Siemens lost 50% of its value in the German experience.
5) hyperinflation is messy and difficult to predict. It can start suddenly but linger for years. Spend some time learning about the events of the Weimar, Zimbabwe and the other 30 plus countries that have gone through this. Hyperinflation and depression are a lot alike. Do not be fooled by some deflation. It often comes before the final HI push.
Here's a starting point for a solution:
Adopt FY2000 budget, inflation adjusted. All programs are reset back to that funding level or less to make room for new departments that did not exist back then.
Simple and we'd be about break even, give or take a few billion.
Agree, BACKWARD is the only way to get back home.
FY2000 is not going to be able to work in the current environment. The economy was flush with tax receipts and Social Security payments from the tech boom. Also, FY2000 had a $248 billion dollar increase in intragovernmental holdings (government borrowing from itself and in FY2000 it was mostly Social Security) which the government would not be able to take advantage of now.
falak,
We all know the economy is at the heart of our problems.
NOPE, the SPENDING is the problem, now that we have reached the point of NO SURVIVAL,the economy means very little.
Liberty, freedom from repressive government rules and regulations. Individual freedoms. Capitalism in true form, not a centrally planned and manipulated economy. Not being the world's police. Not being a police state. More power to the states and local economies with more limited federal role in our lives... How's that? understanding now?
While food stamps and QE are handed out, Ron Paul's message will not get through.
so how does the organized/centralized resistance get off the ground..i cant take 4 more years of ant-progressive rhetoric..its time we put up or shut up
We need a collapse first. There's not going to be any real chance for a radical change in DC (or Brussels for that matter) before that
Correct, especially in this electronic age where many don't even leave their home/office. When the supply lines break, the paper currencies are worthless and people have to go out and deal with one another, then shit gets real, not before.
The answer is a combination of Going Galt and Cloward-Piven - starve the beast and suck off its teet at the same time. I would suggest this is possible for most people without dramatically lowering their quality of life. Downsize your home and own it debt-free. Then do as Galt's strikers did and work a menial labor job. With the lower income, you now qualify for all kinds of government benefits - take advantage of all your legal options as much as possible. Then, whatever extra money comes in, buy precious metals and sit on your capital out of the system. I would suspect if 10% of productive, tax-paying households did just this, the system would collapse. Maybe less, it's stretched to its breaking point. Then, be a part of what rises from the ashes. It's the only answer I see with the obvious results of this election.
Thank you Dr. Ron Paul for your service. Best pf luck in your future adventures. You got my vote even though you weren't on the ballet.
I voted a write in too for Dr. Paul. And no it was not a vote for Obama or a wated vote.It was a vote for Ron Paul, period. It was our last chance. Now get ready for the exact kind of government you deserve America.
You're right. Unfortunately we get that government too.
I am Canadian and promoted Ron consistently. Tragically 99% of Canadians never heard of him but all know every hockey Yahoo in the NHL. Circusses everywhere but we must keep the vision of liberty and Ron Paul alive. Hope is not extinguished by impending darkness . Thank you Ron Paul and all inspiring Zero Hedgers.
I wrote in Ron Paul. When my "conservative" friends and family tel me that I basically voted for Obama, it makes my blood boil. If anything, THEY are responsible for Obama. Their insistence on supporting neocons who misrepresent capitalism and free market philosophies are just as culpible for creating that "47%" as any Democrat handout.
A vote of conscience is never a wasted vote.
No, it's just a waste of time. Voting for RP did not add some check mark to your cosmic, karmic rap-sheet. I can understand voting third party in a state that is clearly going R or D - the libertarians should've appealed to people's practicality in light of electoral college reality, rather than appealing to some kind of religious, cosmic principle. If you voted third party or write in in a swing state, it was one less vote against Obama, period. And it was a waste of time besides. There are more productive things to do with your time than voting for someone who has no chance whatsoever.
There are more productive things to do with your time than voting, period.
Unless you are in a marginal constituency, where a single vote will move the outcome one way or another, voting for one of the mainstream parties will have absolutely NO influence on the outcome.
Voting for an outsider libertarian candidate, or not voting at all, does at least send a message. It sends the message that there's one more person who doesn't support the status quo and rejects majoritarianism.
"You got my vote even though you weren't on the ballet."
That's so true, its beautiful! Talk about a Freudian slip. The US elections were a perfectly written and directed ballet :O)
Bullish for Black Swans!
Oops. Oh well one man's spelling error leads to another's good point.
Black Swan Lake....+ boating accident...
Fuck the boating accident..shoot the bastards that try to take it
Nailing the 50/50 thing right into the last movements has to score a perfect 10. Epic actually. I thought about a week or two before the elections Romney would break a leg.
Not trying to brag here, but the outcome was obvious a long time ago. Obama was going to win for many reasons. But, most importantly, if Romney won and then proceeded to do the same (and nothing really changed for the better - which it wouldn't), the jig would be up more quickly on the real issues and the two-party scam. Obama in office allows for those who still "believe" to continue doing so and gives them some to blame for 4 more years. Kick the can, two-party style.
50% +/- is a perfect divide. Well played gentlemen. Well played.
No, if Romney had won the democrats would've blamed him for the inevitable collapse. In fact, because the republicans kept the house, the democrats will blame them for the inevitable collapse. And at least 50% of the people will believe it. The problem is not with the parties, it is with the people. We get the government we deserve. And when I say "we" I mean the sheeple, not ZHers..
Dr. Paul got my vote, too. This is why I only vote with paper ballots...so that my true choices can be registered as write-ins, as can my disgust with what Team Red and Team Blue offer me as "choices".
I thank you for your many years of service to our nation, Dr. Paul. It's a crying damn shame that people don't want to hear your message when you're the only person out there telling the unvarnished truth.
"Thank you Dr. Ron Paul for your service. Best pf luck in your future adventures. You got my vote even though you weren't on the ballet."
So You think your politicians sux?? - I voted for him at the Danish election
Doddering old coot! He led the committee on financial services for 3 years and did jack shit. Not one subpoena! Barely a cross word directed at the fed or the criminals that brought the world economy to its knees. He is a useless blowhard who got his chance to actually make a difference and did nothing. All you Ron Paul disciples can't see the truth through your constitutions. He had a golden opportunity to motherfuck the financial thieves and the fed with hearing and bad press and he didn't. So fuck you and double fuck Ronald Reagan and John Galt!
I pray John Gault leaves and unemployment goes to 30% then with the unrest at hand we can begin to clean out the zombies
You were doing fine until you brought Ronald Reagan and John Galt into it.
Where is John Gault gonna go? To his private fucking Island? You think any country on earth is safe for people who want to create value for the world in some way? There is no escaping global communism/fascism. Even if you bought a shit ton of land somewhere the parasite class (Lawyers, politicians) etc. of every society would come and confiscate it from you.
Go Galt and Cloward-Piven. Starve the beast and suck off it's teet at the same time. No Gulch or private island required.
Aaaahhhhh, I get it! You're here to collect red down mod''s! Here's one
You fuckers are too damn serious! Yes, I am busting balls. And yes, motherfuck the financial thieves is not proper sentence structure. I was writing it in a rant style. I do think Ron Paul punted when he had a real chance to make a difference, but the rest of the rant was to incite anger with the people who take all of this shit way too seriously. Get a hobby!
bangin7GramRocks
You are not a real person. Your sentence structure is motherfucked.
"motherfuck the financial thieves"
Most inneffective Texas Congressman ever.
And it worked out so well the last time a country elected a midget anti-semite as their 'leader'.
Tom DeLay and Phil Gramm were effective, but not in the sense that you mean.
Llewelyn Moss: Is uh, Carson Wells there?
Anton Chigurh: Not in the sense that you mean.
+1
...And it worked out so well the last time a country elected a midget anti-semite as their 'leader'.
I guess here you must be referring to the Israelis voting in Netanyahu.
Yeah in reality John Gault took his Joo bucks and bought the politicos and their cooperation and made anti competitive laws and regulations out of clearly warranted frustration. Can't beatem joinem. Who is this John Gault that everybody keeps yammering on about. Is he the Farmer that gets his subsidies from the taxpayer to not grow something? Is he the Banker that gets Bailout after Bailout and bitches about how the world is so unfair and harsh with respect to the Lords of finance and how they deserve more for their efforts to enrich themselves using other peoples money? Is he the Skilled labor union employee that thought the government was on his side and then at every turn when he and his buddies decide to go on strike and shut the transportation system down the government who he thought was on his side tells him to take 30% less in pay and get back to fucking work. ???? This John Gault fantasy bullshit needs to stop. Every motherfucker in the United states gets a carve out under the US tax code. So maybe if we really want to see John fucking Gault then how about we just have a little experiment with real capitalism and we will see how long that lasts. fuck it I say lets get to it already, this planet is long overdue for another culling of the herd.
He's currently preparing his farewell adress to congress. Hopefully he gets an hour to speak, like in 1984 when he had his first farewell speech:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul433.html
The Second American Revolution, getting rolling in a neighborhood around you.
Big thanks to Dr. Ron Paul!
amen
I'm in
How about a good old fashioned military coup? Very cost efficient.
This election business is highly overrated and produces unsatifactory results. Maintaining the illusion of Democracy and rule of law is an unnecessary expense that should be dispensed with.
It's only fooling those with the cognitive skills of an eggplant.
Bring in the Generals and lets get real.
To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II:
In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves and also in recent years your tendency to elect incompetent Presidents of the USA and therefore not able to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up ‘revocation’ in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).
Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.
Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated sometime next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
1. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour,’ ‘favour,’ ‘labour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix ‘-ize’ will be replaced by the suffix ‘-ise.’Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up ‘vocabulary’).
2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ”like’ and ‘you know’ is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter ‘u' and the elimination of ‘-ize.’
3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can’t sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you’re not ready to shoot grouse.
5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.)
8.You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.
9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. New Zealand beer is also acceptable, as New Zealand is pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth – see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat’s Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.
God Save the Queen.
Good luck with that. Around here we brew our own beer. Now get back in line you English twit.
He's right about the beer, you gotta give him that one man...
Come to my front yard and say that.
You people lost your empire. Get over it!
"You people lost your empire. Get over it!"
I wonder if we Americans will be hearing that sentence barked at us in Mandarin in a decade or so...
Losing an empire is quite different than being occupied by a foreign power. I spent 6 years in the submarine service defending our country, and if need be, I will do it again.
God save the Queen.
May as well go back to being a colony, as we have taxation without
representation again anyway.
When can we expect the red coats ?
Send Brummies, as they might be understood otherwise.
PS bring your own tea.
upvoted with a Boddington's!
and a packet o' prawn cocktail crisps, ha.
RE: shovelhead
You really dont HAVE A CLUE as to what you are talking about. How is it possible for you to be so clueless?
Short and sweet. Thank you for your integrity Dr. Paul. I always enjoyed watching all of your interviewer's ears catch fire whenever you got the best of them! You are the classiest guy in the room!
PS - Someone needs to have a little talk with Rand. He may be gravitating towards the same neos you speak of.
fuck yeah!
Sorry Dr. Paul, moving forward we settle this by iron and blood. Seems to be the only way humans really learn anything.
Even Ron Paul said thet people who did not vote for Romney in the Presidential election were stupid, yet all of you stupid people here are just too stupid to see it!
Morons
ftfy
RP never endorsed Romney, that was his son. So stop lying and try to understand that people here have principles while you obviously have none.
PS: I'd say you're one or two steps worse than a moron which would make you either an imbecile or an idiot.
I like Ron Paul's fiscal policy. He dispells the dogma and uses only the facts to clearly talk about the situation.
But then again, he's a doctor who doesn't believe in evolution, wants to discontinue the Census community survey. In the 1980s and 1990s he wanted to abolish all public schools. He's also a supposed libertarian who wants to make abortion illegal. So get the government out of everything except women's reproduction? Thats hypocritical.
I like the guy, but he's no panacea.
Public schools should be abolished. Do you have kids in public school? I do, and it's astounding how much misinformation/propaganda I have to correct at home that they learned in school. And I had to teach them how to do real math myself, so they wouldn't use that fucked-up, too complicated Chicago Educator's method with the boxes and slashes.
And you're wrong; Dr. Paul is personally against abortion (which makes sense, seeing as how he is an OB/GYN), but has stated over and over again that it's a state issue and not a federal issue.
Ron Paul has consistently supported the Sanctity of Life Act, which would define life as beginning at conception. That would make it illegal.
I don't like abortion either, and late term abortions make me sick. But a libertarian is being hypocritical to pass laws which limit personal freedom.
He believes that life begins at conception and must be protected. Once you're born, you're on your own. “Whether it’s buying a loaf of bread or getting a birth control pill, in a free country, that’s your responsibility.” If children must have protection to be born, but not be vaccinated against preventable diseases what sense does that make?
I have kids in public schools, and I have lots of issues with public teacher unions and the curriculum they are taught. I don't think the answer is to abolish public schools, but reform public schools. Make them 9-5, year round for example. Then two parents can work, and kids learn more.
We need common sense leaders who can make difficult choices based on facts and science. Sanctifying any leader, even Ron Paul, is a big mistake. No politician is going to the the solution to our problems. Think critically and be skeptical.
"Make them 9-5, year round for example. Then two parents can work, and kids learn more."
Year-round school? Really?
Once you're born, you're on your own.
That's liberal / progressive nonsense of course. You're not on your own, you have your parents, family, friends, partner and once you have a job you can take care of yourself. There is no need for an inefficient government to hold your hand, it only makes everything much worse.
Regarding abortion: just allow exceptions, when it makes little sense not to do it. Rape, life of mother in danger, a severely malformed fetus... I don't see why people make this so difficult.
"a libertarian is being hypocritical"
I don't think so. That's almost like saying "A Democrat is being hypocritical if he supports gun rights". There is no cut-and-dried black-letter Codex Libertarianus that everyone must hew to call themselves (or be called) "libertarian". A libertarian is someone whose philosophy of government is whatever he sees as maximizing liberty.
If Ron Paul believes that leaving abortion regulations up to the states rather than the Federal govt increases liberty in the nation, then it's consistent--for him. You may disagree with him and also define yourself as a libertarian.
What there can be no serious debate about is the fact that the larger the central government, the less liberty. You cannot expand the powers of the state without diminishing the power of the individual.
And what we need is a perfectly perfect "panacea", of course. Nothing less would suffice for us perfectly perfect people of entitlement and leisure in 21st century America.
Oh yeah, and that "doesn't believe in evolution" thingy. I mean, c'mon! That's SO 19th century. We perfectly perfect entitled and SOPHISTICATED citizens of TODAY are so unabashedly certain of our singular intellect that we no longer NEED God. We're so smart! Lucky us!
Yet we seek perfection in our politicians? Look around. Start with the mirror. See anyone perfect in your own family, your own town? Your State? Didn't think so.
This "no panacea" exclusionary argument provides logical rationale for us NOT to vote for the unperfect man. After all, HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, he has flaws!
So look what we got. Again.
I know the math of debt and giveaways is gonna collapse the economy. Superman can't save us now. But in the America of our founding up until recently we held America to be an idea which required eternal vigilance to maintain. Men and women sacrificed (and continue to sacrifice) their very lives in that maintenance.
Today that idea and its cost is easily pushed aside in the scramble to assuage every favor seeking interest group. But when the cost reasserts itself - and it will - men and women WITH FLAWS will rise to the task yet again.
Imperfection is not failure. Descent into tyranny, mob rule and anarchy is failure. Look what we got now.
Only perfect people and perfect politicians can get this job done.
nice :-)
Nice strawman argument. You equate panacea with perfection, then argue against perfection.
I never mentioned perfection. Is it easier to argue against yourself?
I know your comments didn't mention perfection but did mention panacea which is defined as "cure-all", thus 'perfect' in the sense of a complete solution. So equating the two is accurate.
I don't understand how you consider this a strawman argument. My argument "against perfection" as you term it is merely meant to illustrate the folly of SEEKING perfection in a candidate. So many people today are single issue voters and that makes it difficult for all politicians. It sort of forces candidates to contort themselves in the hunt for votes rather than just being themselves, warts and all, and letting the voting public see the whole candidate.
And that works both on the plus side (He's my man!) and the negative (I wouldn't vote for him because..."). Your comment this morning just struck that nerve regarding the narrow focus voter.
Boy, did you buy the party line. Hook line and sinker.
I just love our country, that's all. I love our liberties, our freedoms and the opportunity to pursue prosperity those provide us. It's so very sad to see them eroding beyond recognition.
Liberty and peace. A nice message on Armistace Day.
While I believe in Ron's Paul's message the idea that 'freedom is popular' is not the case in my opinion. The opposite is true as evidenced by Paul's loss in the Primaries.
The truth is, is that the majority of people want a big government to take care of them. American citizens WANT the nanny state, just look how big the government got under Obama and he was still re-elected while Ron Paul lost in the preliminary. Don't ask me why but people like the government spying on them, groping their children in the airport, and having their rights taken away left and right, don't ask me why but the results of the election prove that to be the case.
Every citizen had the opportunity to vote for Ron Paul in the Primaries. Every citizen has a computer (or access to one at a cafe or library) that could have done some cursory research on Ron Paul and realized he was the only one who could have returned American back towards the greatness from which it came. But they didn't.
The fact is, is that there has been a societal paradigm shift, where socialism/communism is viewed more favorably than capitalism/freedom.
*On a side note Jesse Jackson Jr. is not only going to jail, he was re-elected FROM THE MAYO CLINIC for treatment of a psychological disorder. Americans are just fucking stupid to begin with.
If you'd been paying attention to just how extreme the efforts needed to be to deny Ron Paul the nomination - between the unbelievably blatant and pervasive media censorship, and the election fraud in state primary after state primary - you'd realize that freedom is indeed popular, just not among TPTB.
Yet somehow, despite unbelievably blatant and pervasive media censorship you were able to not only learn about Ron Paul but have also became a supporter. Funny how through things like books and the internet that if you seek you shall find.
And I haven't seen anyone arrested for election fraud or any evidence of election fraud but if their was election fraud I didn't see any American do anything about it. So Americans are not only lovers of socialism, dumber than a bag of rocks, but we can now add complacent to the list.
+1
There is no excuse for people not being informed. None. The realty is, the human species is fatally flawed. We are the most blessed people who have ever lived, with every piece of information about everything at our fingertips. We can see thousands of other galaxies billions of light years away, and we can see evidence of Higgs-boson. But what do most people look at? Their own navels or boobies. Not that there is anything wrong with looking at boobies, but you get what I mean...
I down arrowed you for using my wife's photo without our permission.
You nailed it right there Insideher Trading. Very succinctly stated.
The demopublican party politicians are nearly all whores. Get with the program and give up on them Try something new because its all broken now
Dr. Paul,
My son is in 5th grade and his school held a mock election. The ballot had two choices Romney/Obama.
The results:
Romney 263
Obama 232
Paul 1 (My son crossed both names out, drew another box and check Ron Paul)
The take away is even a 5th grader knows we have to work harder and go another step to get our agenda on the stage. A lot of kids at the school asked "Who is Ron Paul?" And my son begain to tell them as best he could. A seed has been planted and I for one am very thankful for Dr Paul.
God Bless America
Start local and don't forget whose future depends on what you do, or do not do. How many Paul supporters have shown up at a city council meeting to raise hell on the federalization of the local constabulary? Where are the candidates for State office that campaign on rolling back the incursion of the government into private affairs? Building a national campaign does not advance the Libertarian ideal; rather the ideal is dragged through the mud by the co-opted media.
All politics is local.....be vocal.
If you would dance, use your own legs.... and stop blaming Dr. Paul!
Don't worry the state has yet to complete the indoctrination training. He will be a sheep in no time flat.
So your son is a douche too? Poor kid will be getting his libertarian ass beat on a daily basis.
Meh.
Hey, Anti-War, Pro-Civil Liberties, Conservationists (not those insane, anti-humanist Environmentalists), anti-crony capitalists in the Democratic Party... your party leaders know they have you over a barrel. You've been silenced. They don't even bother pandering to you any longer. They target the Least Common Denominator and call the other side racist/sexist/xenophobic/parachoial and they get their majority of the 30% of the country that bothers to vote.
Freedom - it's a simple idea. It's so simple that most people never think of it, or cultivate it in their own minds... they simply take it for granted, like most simple ideas. Those are the people who never know what they lost when it is taken from them, since they never really knew they had it in the first place. People who know what freedom is, who have cultivated the idea in their minds, by comparison to their sheep-like peers, look like raving madmen in a society where freedom is being taken away.
Yawn.... the endless canonization/beatficatication of St. Ron...
2008: 69.4 + 59.9 = 129.3 million
2012: 61.9 + 58.6 = 120.5 million
A difference of 8.8 million....
Our dear commentator can not do basic math or the most mundane of fact checking...
Get over it.... Ron Paul lost and he is unelectable because he offers a childish simplistic world view that appeals to posters here for exactly that reason...
Flak
provide a source asshole
here's a hint jerkoff, now go back to your hole
2008 131,313,820
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/federalelections2008.pdf
There you go... mea culpa, I only counted the R+Ds...
http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf
Likewise for 2012....
this should assist you Flak
from the KY post
The Associated Press' figures showed about 119.5 million people had voted in the (2012) White House race,
Scroll down for the most comprehenive summary of the Presidential vote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_us_presidential_election
Counting all the "third parties"...
122,275,114
Go bark up another tree....
Look! Over there! It's that deadly, climate destroying CO2!
If you are going to try and bait me, at least put something on the hook...
All you did was hook the seat of your pants while trying to cast...
Yawn...
Monkey, Tripitaka, Pigsy and........
Help me out here, who was the fourth one?
Oh noes not CO2 ?! You mean the gas which is essential to life and which is going to destroy the Earth in 2068 as evidenced by mathematical models?
That's the stuff.
We'll ignore the fact the IPCC's models' projections have not only been wrong over the last 12 years, but that they all had wildly different projections in the first place... 'cuz the sci-ence (genuflect here, please) is settled!
You are clearly on top of the "facts" to point where you exclude the greater part of reality...
Let look at the past few years
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/11/short-term-trends-another-proxy-fight/
So, can I count you in the simple fool category or in the disingenuous manipulating liar one?
Ah, RealClimate... Michael 'Hockey Stick' Mann's foghorn.
Let's take a look at the 1990 IPCC predictions, shall we?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/09/comparing-ipcc-1990-predictions-with-2011-data/
of course, you won't like the source.
Well then, let's have a look at what you've submitted:
The linear trend in HadCRUT4 from August 1997 to August 2012 (181 months) is 0.03ºC/decade (blue) (In GISTEMP it is 0.08ºC/decade, not shown).
0.03ºC/decade? Between 1997 and 2012? Says it all really. And that's even before we look at the adjustments the climate 'scientists' have made to the raw, historical data to make it fit into their worldview. Or the fact that a lot of the temperature readings have come from badly-sited weather stations http://www.surfacestations.org/
But keep flogging that dead horse, Flakmeister. I'm sure it'll come back to life if you just hit it hard enough.
So you picked the fool...
Too bad, I had higher hopes for you...
Edit: Here play with the data for yourself, some of it going back to 1750...
http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php
Yes, I picked the fool, I picked you. Look at what these clowns do to the raw data to make it fit into what they're trying to sell.
Have a nice day, and take your 'lonesome pine' with you on your way out.
By picking the trend over the shortest time span you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the underlying science and math and only stroked your confirmation bias...
Ask a mathematician what the minimum amount of time to indentity a trend is given intrinsic variation at a given level...
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/how-long/
Reposted from Seeking Alpha:
Centrist Republicans like me - and fortunately, we are now coming out of the economic closet, after having had our views stifled the past several years - are getting pretty furious at the pure nonsense! still spewing from Fox News and some other media sites about "why Romney lost."
The Ryan-Romney ticket lost - and that's how many looked at it, Ryan-Romney, not Romney-Ryan - because the bulk of the American public doesn't want an Extreme Supply Side mindset to prevail in America now.
The ticket lost because of its IDEAS.
It didn't lose because of its "failure to get out its base."
It didn't lose because of "operational issues."
It didn't lose because of the "left-wing media."
It didn't lose because of "a failure to educate the American public."
In fact, this last argument, which even normally savvy pols like Mary Matalin are making, is utterly ridiculous, in light of the fact that the Dems won ALL TEN of the States with the highest educational levels and most of the States with the highest income levels, while the Ryan-Romney ticket won all but one of the ten States with the lowest educational levels and lowest income levels.
So if anything, it's the Democratic ticket which "failed to educate voters," not the other way around!
Once more, the Ryan-Romney ticket lost because the American People Did Not Like Its Ideas, particularly the brand of Libertarian and Nihilist Economic Ideas - NOT Traditionally Conservative by any stretch of the imagination - that the GOP has been held hostage to for decades now and which have escalated to the point of intolerable unwillingness to accommodate the desires and the pressing needs of the United States right now, at this point in its history.
The GOP desperately needs to take its blinders off and return to its historical roots, which means literally discrediting and throwing out the Birchers and the extremist Libertarians and becoming the Big Tent Party of Growth and Party of YES again.
We know in advance that this post will probably get a record number of Thumbs Down from the Koch Botnet which has been permitted free rein at Zero Hedge.
No matter.
It's a message that needs to be broadcast widely. And ZH is read by those who need to read it, including many based abroad.
We Republican Centrists are at a boiling point in terms of our anger at our own party.
But we are very optimistic that this time, we are going to get our party back again.
It may not be a matter of days. But it will be a matter of just a few months this time.
Grover Norquist and his ilk have to be seen by everyone for what they are: NOT Conservatives, NOT traditional Republicans, but Nihilist Libertarians with strong ties to the John Birch Society in its present, almost hidden form.
Grover Norquist is a Libertarian??? Bwaaahahahahahaha! (Excuse me while I laugh so hard I pee in my pants.)
YEah, like, having the same ideas than the Democrats is going to work much better for the GOP in 2016?
Wait, didnt they just tried that in 2008 and 2012?
Are you joking? About the only idea that the Republican party brought to the table that a large number of people support is the idea that we already have too much taxation.
Republican party lost primarily because of social issues: offending gays, offending women, immigration, etc.
Republican party was indistinguishable from Democratic party on most of economic and foreign policy, so this should not be a surprise.
If Republicans found a charismatic candidate advocating for the ideas that Ron Paul espouses, they would win!
What is your favorite flavor of koolaid?
The US is no longer in the 18th century and RP lives in the 18th century...
Shh, no mentioning of Kochs allowed at ZH, some things are just taboo.
And loosing the single woman demographic by 38 points should be telling their "strategists" something...
The Republicans are the party of superstition....
It also has to ditch the right-wing conservative media which has hijacked it for profit...It has to disavow itself of Rush Limbaugh....
Remember what Megan said to Karl on FOX:
Most Americans wouldn't know an "extremist Llibertarian" mindset if it bit them on the ass.
Libertarians lose because they are afraid to go pound on doors, talk to their neighbors, and show up at school board meetings. (or maybe they are just lazy )
Most are usually stoned and thier "main issue" like abortion for the GOP and Free Shit from the Dems, is "smoking pot". That is where they lose every time. They put "that" before country.
Take care of the big things, the little things will come around.
No, libertarians lose because they focus on issues that most people don't care about very much, like legalizing pot.
LOL. Yeah, thats it.
Thats why when libertarians talk about the FED, legal tender laws and FRL, you get the "deer in headlights" look?
BINGO!! It's not that we don't talk about this stuff with other people.. it's that other people JUST DON'T GET IT!! Things like Money is not currency. The Fed is a corporation, not gov't. The fact that we haven't passed a budget in years. 16T in debt (wow, really? I didn't that = typical response).
They are just happy to be happy with their party of choice because they are afraid of confrontation.
Agreed! I myself am "very conservative" and non moderate when it comes to the constitution. I am "very moderate" when it comes to things socially and culturally. I do not care what you do, who you fuck (if they are of consenting age) who you chose to worship, or if you choose to not worship at all.
The GOP stepped on it's dick when they put up two candidates that thought the outcomes of rape were "willed by God to terminate or a gift". Those two proved just how stupid and UNFIT there were for service in the senate, and iws why Harry Fucking Reid is still in control. It is just UTTER STUPIDITY on the GOP leadership on the battles they choose, and the do not fight the battles to uphold the constitution.
The next movement will be "deconstructive" or undoing the damage foisted upon this country by a40 years of stupid corrupt and unprincipled fucks that served in congress for their own purposes, putting themselves before country.
You're nuts. The Republican Party failed because people like me are leaving it in droves. All we saw with Mitt Romney is Obama lite. That's not what we want. We want a government that will get out of the way, out of our lives, and provide an environment where we can prosper. We want a government that will prosecute the fraud and not sit by prospering from it. We don't want a government that shoves their finger up our ass so we can fly, and we don't want a government who continuously uses fear to control us.
I suggest that if you want the big government that both parties have come to represent then Obama is your candidate.
hay DR..seen any D's leaving in droves?? are there any out there in the either of the web?? step foreward or as I have seen the only true free men were with the GOP until recently.
12 million less voters this election than last.
Last I checked it was under 9 million, and they're not even done counting. A couple million of the drop is just in NY & NJ. Even ingnoring the issue of the storm's impact on turnout, the drop in turnout for Obama's relection is LESS than the drop in turnout for Clinton's relection. The increased turnout for Bush's relection (and Obama's intial election) appear to be anomalies within the longer term trend.
RE: Dr Engali
I dont get your points. Yes people are leaving the system by not voting. So what. There are 320m+ people in this country. The country is much too large for a few million that chose to not participate to matter. Since most will vote their pocket book first, those who want freebies or are unable to earn a living for whatever reason, will prevail. Look at demographics, look at racial voting percentenges, look at underinformed or dont give a dam citizens and then tell me that a few million republican old farts matter.
I agree.