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Ron Paul: A New Beginning
From Ron Paul
Ron Paul: A New Beginning
America is over $16 trillion in debt. The “official” unemployment rate still hovers around 8%.
Our federal government claims the right to spy on American citizens, indefinitely detain them, and even assassinate them without trial.
Domestic drones fly over the country for civilian surveillance.
Twelve million fewer Americans voted in 2012 than in 2008, yet political pundits scratch their heads.
It’s not hard to see why, though.
To go along with endorsing a never-ending policy of bailouts, “stimulus packages,” and foreign military adventurism, the establishment of neither major party questions the assaults on Americans’ liberties I’ve named above.
As my campaign showed, the American people are fed up. Many realized heading into Tuesday that regardless of who won the presidential election, the status quo would be the real victor.
GOP leadership is now questioning why they didn’t perform better.
They’re looking at demographic changes in the United States and implying minorities can only be brought into the party by loudly advocating for abandoning what little remains of their limited government platform and endorsing more statist policies.
My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together.
Liberty is popular – regardless of race, religion, or creed.
As long as the GOP establishment continues to not only reject the liberty message, but actively drive away the young, diverse coalition that supports those principles, it will see results similar to Tuesday’s outcome.
A renewed respect for liberty is the only way forward for the Republican Party and for our country.
I urge all my Republican colleagues to join the liberty movement in fighting for a brighter future.
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+1!
...Once more, the Ryan-Romney ticket lost because the American People Did Not Like Its Ideas, particularly the brand of Libertarian and Nihilist Economic Ideas - NOT Traditionally Conservative by any stretch of the imagination - that the GOP has been held hostage to for decades now and which have escalated to the point of intolerable unwillingness to accommodate the desires and the pressing needs of the United States right now, at this point in its history.
Hmm, let's see now, Romney-Ryan's libertarian economic policies. Were they:
* the abolition of central banking?
* the end of bailouts?
* the end of government provision of schooling?
* drastically shrinking the military budget?
* ending our 'unwavering', unconditional support for Israel?
* ending the War on Terror?
* ending the War on Drugs?
* ending minimum wage laws?
* ending tarriffs?
* introducing any other )even vaguely) free-market policies?
I seem to have been watching the wrong channels during the election, because for the life of me I had no idea those were their policies. Shame, if I'd known, I might have voted GOP.
PS - the implication that the above ideas are "NOT Traditionally Conservative by any stretch of the imagination" betrays an historical ignorance so deep, so vast, and so shill-like, that you would be advised never to use the same ZH login again if you want to be taken seriously here.
Yeah... sure thing, he would have got that platform through Congress like shit through a goose...
Admittedly, a chunk of that could, in principle, be done through executive order...
For you it is time to return from the world of Make-Believe to Reality....
How much do you think gasoline would cost if the above would occur? And what would the economy look like?
I know the thick clouds of 'deadly' CO2 are probably inhibiting your ability to follow a train of of thought - but my point was a refutation of the previous posters nonsense, by pointing out that virtually nothing the GOP was proposing could be labelled as 'libertarian'.... not whether the average American ignoramus could have fathomed the sense of such policies (as you routinely demonstrate - by example - that they cannot)
What would the price of gasoline be if the (US-supported) Saudi/Bahrainian/ dictatorships weren't spending billions of dollars every year bribing their restive populations so they won't revolt against their US-maintained satraps? Or if we weren't threatening Iran? Or been bombing Libya? Or further destabilising the oil-rich Middle East by supporting Al Qaeda in Syria? And if we hadn't wasted trillions propping up our money masters?
Good question.
Go bark up another tree...
You do not have a clue about the role of the dollar vis a vis oil...
Think very carefully: Would you accept US dollars for oil if you didn't have to worry about a having gun pointed to your head?
The US economy would utterly collapse if the only oil it could internationally extort was from Canada and Mexico...
Do you ever stay on point?
Speaking of "barking up trees".
Making wishes does not change reality... And making wishes seems to be a common thread with people try to analyze oil in the vacuum of a US centric view point...
I am very sorry if you and and the other Paulites fail to grasp this...
I will add that Left is also very guilty of this...
its called pax americana doctrine and it covers post 1971-73 switch to fiat, and Saud guaranty. The tragedy for first world is they just sank into this comfy hole that has drained their resources to a country that imports nothing except arms hardware. So its a perpetual relation based on debt. More fool the west. As now its gonna be very uphill after 50 easy energy years.
The GOP desperately needs to take its blinders off and return to its historical roots, which means literally discrediting and throwing out the Birchers and the extremist Libertarians and becoming the Big Tent Party of Growth and Party of YES again.
That will never happen, it'll be a quick clearout of dissenters and then they will double down on the rhetoric because they feel they werent extreme enough.
P.S.
If each of the 37,000 volunteers that had been sitting on their ass watching Orca go titsup.com had instead brought 20 voters to the polls in those states over the course of the day, Romney would probably have won the election.
Well noted, yes, ORCA was a complete umitigated disaster....
If they double down, they will become the 21st century version of the Whigs...
If you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to deprogram yourself, and learn to stop using talking points you heard from the zombies. The reason the GOP lost is simple - the communist zombies outnumber the GOP zombies. What the GOP should do now is strategically disengage from the system, watch the system implode on itself from a safe distance, which it will do, and find a way to preserve their resources from zombie scavengers.
The supply side argument will eventually win because its not an argument, its a prediction, and the real economy will get the last laugh when trying to punish success only passes the trikle down missery to the average person.
The only way to bring the status quo to its senses is for the productive individuals of the USA to go on strike. Truckers, transporters, mechanics, factory workers, energy workers, engineers, craftsmen, etc. need to pick a day and just walk off the job. When the country goes dark, the roads stop, and the word of the politicos can't get out then things will change.
http://libcom.org/blog/european-wide-general-strike-november-14-how-real...
What, you mean like join a union?
Feckin socialists!
And what do you think will be the driving force behind such a general strike?
Galt's Gulch is a fallacy...
run to failure. just like europe. just like japan. just like china. although it does seem like the europeans have gotten control over the run part and are dragging their heels to failure.
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your ... oh dear.
OK at the risk of getting shot with red arrows, I'm not quite sure I see it the same way"
"As my campaign showed, the American people are fed up." - no, only some of them are fed up almost 60 million of them voted for Marxism and an entitlement culture.
It's over people. Ranting yourself blue in the face on the internet doesn't matter anymore. Its over, the Republic is dead. All this nonsense about 2016 and "is Paul Ryan going to run" is meaningless. In the next four years (probably sooner) the rest of the Constitution will be publicly dismantled because its just "too outdated for our needs". The mix of the supreme court will change dramatically for years to come and more of our freedoms will be taken away. As Welch would say "face reality as it is, not as it was or you wish it were". Make decisions for you and your family based on reality and drive on.
Gideon
is it "humor" many are going for here...vote totals are a real number to be sliced and diced?? after the countless lies from gov and MSM you take these numbers as real?? too many here still wallow in the filth of "information" we are fed..some insight into the real problem: those who rule are hidden from the public at all cost even in plain sight.
Agree - but the counts are "real" enough to install the Marxist as our president. Did you happen to read the piece about all of the people who turned out for 50 job openings in Chicago? Raum Emanuel showed up expecting to be worshipped but instead people were pissed off and in his face. One woman's comment summed it up best (paraphrasing here) - knowing that she didn't have a prayer of getting a job her comment was "they better give me a Walmart card or something for showing up"... that's what producers (I assume you are one) are delaing with and that is what is deciding the fate of this country for years to come... at least until the printed money runs out (fr what happens then google Matt Bracken/EBT cards). Sorry, if i was sarcastic it wasn't to make light; the situation sickens me.
I am suprised that you can even spell Marxist, because you do not have a clue as what it actually means...
Deal with it, the *Republican party* and the conservative MSM utterly rejected RP....
Heh heh. Conservative MSM? That gets my vote for oxymoron of the day. You, sir, just get my vote for moron of the day.
As was plainly evident to those of us who sat and watched the farce of the Republican National Convention, it was the Republican party leaders that utterly rejected Dr. Paul. The Republican party wasn't even given a chance to reject him, as his delegates were all but bound and gagged throughout the fiasco. Had Dr. Paul had a chance to speak at the RNC, I wouldn't be half as pissed as I am today, because I accept defeat when the playing field is even.
You are correct, Rush and Fox and Liddy et al... should be properly be referred to the "Fascist MSM", but we are quibbling over semantics...
Go back into your bubble....
And I forgot to add, the only pundits that gave RP the time of day were Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, those nasty Lefties....
Take up your issues with the Republican party, maybe you can start to see them for what they really are now....
I respectfully disagree (but didnt downvote you). Those 60 million are not voting primarily for handouts. MANY of them are women voting against the threat of Republicans trying to pack the supreme court and overturn roe v. wade; OR are voting against republican social policies like defense of mariage, etc.
To be quite frank, while there is certainly an entitlement culture, many of the people in that culture do not turn out to vote.
You really should read him before you spout this stuff, under Marxism those people would have to work in order to receive their Snap/EBT card allowance.
Repubs lost because of women and changes in minority demographics, oh and romney waited too long to put on his moderate mask.
Saying rape was an act god approved of was probably not your best moment, failing to clarify/explain the comment was probably their worst moment.
Repubs need to concentrate on politics, they have been defined by race and culture for far too long, their views are now seen as anachronistic due to the instant fix philoshopy prevailing in american culture.
IMHO
If you know anything about Christianity you'd know that we shouldn't attempt to interpret or understand God's work. We should attempt to accept it, have faith in graces. He tells us that every child is a gift from Him. God loves all of us and does not make mistakes.
a large portion of that 60 million who voted for continuing down the path to Communism will have no better standard of living now vs. under a Communist government... so either way works for them - just keep the foodstamps, phones, and other entitlements coming and their good.
was registered R for many years this year changed to I, I was in the GOP because of Ron Paul and those like him as the D side has NO ONE like him -think about that if you have any gray cells left - leftist.
Who is Alan Grayson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3oiKuU8UI&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxuqmPyKqcs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ&feature=relmfu
Perhaps you agree with everything Dr. Paul stands for...I for one welcome the return of Alan Grayson to Congress.
Mr. Grayson demonstrated a very good understanding of FED operations and a willingness to stand in oposition. Going forward Rep. Grayson will likely remain isolated but make no mistake he deserves our support.
Ron Paul will nationalize FED shareholders property and everything will turn right. Return printing power to US people .
Why do we continue to talk about the current parties? He talks about changing the status quo, well that will not happen when you have Democrats/Republicans to choose from. Sub-groups of these two just continue to support the status quo, even though they operate under the guise that they are different. Both parties have so much to lose should the status quo change, that neither parties sub-group is a good choice.
Ron Paul could help spur a movement to get traction for a third party that would be greater than they pior years. The population is fed up with the status quo, which I would say was evident from this past election results. With his retirement from politics, I fear he will leave politics behind. I hope that he takes a role as a mentor to several people that get into politics
Go, RP!
Obama is going to cause Zombie apocalypse.
Thats the main reason i voted for him, i love the walking dead.
We give our best Libertarian platform planks to the Dumocruds: Gay marriage, marijuana and no borders are libertarian concepts ! The government shouldn't be in the marriage business, people should be able to smoke used toilet paper if they want to, people should be free to go where they want as long as they don't use force i.e. pay their own way !
"The government shouldn't be in the marriage business"
The government shouldn't be involved in the "marriage business", but you want the government to ... expand the types of couples it registers the marriages of.
Good luck untangling that one.
And what happens when they use the full faith and credit clause to force states (say, Texas) to recognise gay marriages performed in other states? Doesn't that violate the principle of federalism?
"pay their own way"
How do you propose that libertarians get elected by promising to cut people's welfare? Do you not realise how much of a dealbreaker that is?
Marriage should be a religious covenant and/or a private contractual agreement .... the state may take note of what arrangents the people have made for themselves .... but they shouldn't define it ! Marriage is between a man and a woman by standard usuage of the language ! "Gay Marriage" or "Multiple Wife/Husband/Barnyard Animal Marriage" are what they are !
Most of America doesn't give a crap what 2 gays want to call their relationship.
Government should get out of it. Allow everyone to designate one person as the recipient of what are traditionally spousal rights, and change the terminology, and everyone can be fine.
Two people can co-designate each other and call that relationship whatever the hell they want.
I agree .... if two gays want to call their relationship "Marriage" .... the government should just right it down in the log ! People currently in jail for polygamy should be released and allowed to sue for compensation .... big time ! Gays are not the only ones who have been denied their freedom !
Funny you should mention that comparison, Mr. Monedas-Zionist Comedy-Jihad, i remember how some months ago gay activists were already campaigning for the recognition of 'one third parenthood' - sounded almost like a hurr-durr version of polygamy to me.
Where's the ACLU defending polygamists ? Where's Israel protesting Pol Pot ! Marriage by common definition refers to a man and a woman .... English is a living, breathing, changing language and gays may prevail in the distant future where Websters defines the traditional use of marriage as an archaic usage .... go for it ! Isn't it funny that feminists were never able to invent a new word for "woman" or "female" .... how about "Pussy Person" ?
I was more humoring the uh slippery slope style argumentation in this case - in the questions of definition, well you currently see our French friends abolishing or planning to abolish such nomenclature completely.
You can define all you like, if you manage to find people who are obliged to believe it. Clearly without any possibility of logical resonation your linguistic inventive capacity should verge on the infinite.
And by the way they did, 'it' is now called a womyn or femen.
don't confuse anthropology and human sociology. Anthropologically humanity is Man and Woman. Period.
Sociologically they can be married, fiscally one, and raise children in different gender combinations. That is PURE social convention as marriage is a secular definition in Enlightenment lands, not imposed by revelatory religion in terms of LAW and societal custom; aka fiscal, and legacy issues with adopted, or artificially inseminated children, as part of legal couple.
So this is a debate on ethical value issues. Nobody anywhere contests the anthropological definitions of the human divide.
Alas, in the public arena the discussion boiled down to the definition of marriage; mostly under the impression that any gay civil union would not impact or retroactively change the meaning of those straight folks' marriage.
This claim has been proven false, and strangely seems to be the only argument in the Grande Nation right now - don't you dare writing mommy or daddy in the empty space.
We give our best Libertarian platform planks to the Dumocruds: Gay marriage, marijuana and no borders are libertarian concepts !
WE?
Last i heard Israel opposes both gay marriage and marijuana, tho they are very proactive in the area of borders.
Plank.
Lol, you americans are so screwed.
You bow & pay for it too.
Pray tell in what Libertarian paradise you live in ? You must be proud enough to mention it ?
His name is Alex and he is from Greece.
That was pretty damned funny!!!!
We are all screwed and we are all paying for it, its just that some of us reslise it and others think it only happens in other countries.
"My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together."
Yeah, that's why the entire crowd is white, Ron.
Good luck getting elected in the 47percentocracy with a "we're going to cut your welfare off" message.
That would be the chicken nugget 53% percentocracy and growing by leaps and bounds !
You sound like you beleive that China is going to keep lending us money to give to the moocher class. Give it six months then let us know if your opinion has changed.
Do you really think the 47 percenters are going to tolerate having their welfare cut off?
Of course lenders will keep lending. It's just that the "lender" will eventually be the Fed.
I mean, it already is. QE1/2/3 prove it.
You're myopic. He reached the 20% that mattered, that will matter.
The 80ish percent didn't listen to Tom Paine, Patrick Henry, et al Less than 20% actually openly supported the Revolution. The majority were very comfortable staying with England.
He mattered to those that matter. To those that WILL matter.
Ron's impact wasn't to be gaining a 80% plurality, win the election, and slay the dragons for us. It was to write articles, open eyes, provide an idea, provide a catalyst for the change.
The change is coming bucko. Don't mistake the messenger for the message.
The Message WAS heard, and is now is being internallized and is growing and spreading, the mycelium is spreading below the ground unseen. The Hard Rain will come, and you will see the mushrooms all over and there won't be a damn thing they will be able to do about it.
I hope so.
Because we're outnumbered by millions of moochers worldwide.
They will be locked down in their free speech zones and won't be able to get out of the cities without their GPSs
A strict Libertarian message will *never* fly in a Urban environment... very simple...
Now if you think that the "Hard Rain" will be the attempted secession of rural states from the Union, you may be on to something...
...The centre cannot hold...
Don't know how, but that which cannot go on, won't.
As NYC and NJ shows, without gas, you ain't getting out of town.
And as you know Flak, we will ALL be out of gas soon enough.
Completely agree. Urban culture is all about dependency on services and the use of government to force others to pay for them. I'll add that hard times are an invitation for more entitlement voting. I'm 55 years old and I've witnessed the transition from equal opportunity to equal collective outcomes in my lifetime. Before I'm gone, I fully expect the USA will devolve into an anti-Constitutional grabfest. Unfortunately, my kids are white male oppressors making minimum wage.
Ron Paul was the last chance for the US, well, the world.
The American people have lost their freedom, they are well on the way to loosing their health, wealth and independence in addition.
What is more, big business is trying to sell the same shit to the rest of the world.
Overindulgence, under-education, lack of self-respect, lack of humility and a profound out of touch lifestyle as well as a complete lack of interest in taking charge of their individual lives, characterizes a vast section of the American population.
It will stop. Ron Paul would have done it peacefully.
That chance has passed.
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery" (Galatians 5:1).
Nice quote .... what country best lives up to that Biblical admonition .... and "again" implies that somewhere there once was freedom .... where dat ?
saudi arabia
do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery" (Galatians 5:1).
"again" implies that somewhere there once was freedom...
It is a nice quote, but the "again" has to do with being burdened by slavery, not freedom. By nature, humans gravitate towards servitude, with the renewing of the mind comes freedom. The admonition here is that once the mind has been enlightened by the Spirit of God, resist the temptation to turn back to the beggerly elements that once enslaved your previous self.
In other words, remember which pill you swallowed Neo.
Unless Paul's idea of liberty is to double up on the free stuff he's dreaming that "Liberty is popular – regardless of race, religion, or creed". I have yet to come across an hispanic in Miami that even knows who Ron Paul is and the only thing liberty means to these people is what can the government liberate from your wallet to theirs'. The majority of hispanics I have had political discussions with are not about to stop "endorsing a never-ending policy of bailouts, “stimulus packages,...”
This notion that Libertarians can drag the parasite class into the world of limited government is fantasyland thinking.
I don't know about liberty being popular, but handouts or free stuff sure are popular.
I think it migh not be completely fantasy thinking if you go for another angle. Don't pussyfoot around economy, social powers, certain issues - go straight for the moral argument. Looting is evil, regardless if it is legal or not. People that support looting are doing evil. It's not the same thing to vote one guy or the other - if you vote for more theft you're thieves accomplice.
And another thing is, there is no need to persuade everybody. The real final showdown will be after the crash - when blame game begins. We just need enough people to disable making freedom or some minority, globalism or whatever a scapegoat for what a violent, thieving monstrosity of a corrupted system did (is now doing) to millions.
The Obama voting moochers may be happy now but in a few months we'll see how they like what they voted for.
It won't take months where I work. The hammer falls Jan. 2nd.
People want "stuff" more than liberty, and democracy has become "how much gets looted and who gets it". Lots of Mexican Hispanics here in CA. Abel Maldonado (R) lost big time to Gavin Newsome (liberal elitist) in Hispanic communities just as much. They want the safety net here and come for the redistribution. They actually take less liberty ( being illegals and fear of deportation) in order to live here.
Louie you are wrong about Florida and hispanics and you can watch these videos to understand. Freedom is popular!
At Ron Paul Parade (South Florida), Local Media Tries to Supress Free Speechhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_etdEP9qxk
Ron Paul Parade by South Florida Grassroots! (MASSIVE EXPOSURE!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB6awqRIu4Q
What Ron Paul is saying the Founders of the Constitution also said.
If you want change and freedom, you have to start where you live, not on the other side of the world.
Think about this the next time you hear about TSA screwing up or another Fast and Furious becomes unglued or another embassy cries for help and the response is "Stand Down"
It is time for bravery to stand as cowardice produces shackles for all.
Why doesn't Ron Paul stand as an independent?
Because he can reach more people through the GOP.
People in Dade county stood in line 6 and more hours to vote .... you can get a SNAP interview in less than an hour .... and they give you a waiting room, water fountain and bathrooms !
Then Soros and the mob 'counted' their vote...
It is time for Capital Punishment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
FUCK RON PAUL
Why am I still getting updates on this all-talk-no-action blowhard?
Maybe they are hoping you will pull your head out of your ass long enough to see it's not about the man.
The Bronco Bomba folks believe in the Cloward-Piven strategy of forcing collapse of the system to replace it with an oppressive state. They are ready. Many people in the liberty movement also believe in Cloward-Piven, except that they believe the collapse will bring freedom. If that were so, then Zimbabwe and Argentina would be beacons of liberty today.
Neither country was founded on Freedon and Liberty. In fact, there are no legitimate comparisons.There has never been a Country founded on the principals of the USA.
More than half the country wouldn't know the first thing about that. Or care.
Fully mature citizens know the important distinction between libery and libertine.
Oh my...
Most people vote what would be best for their wallet, not even when they know it would not be best for the country overal. This includes: the welfare class, the big unions (like teachers), the medical industrial complex, and goverment and state emplyees. I know I am missing some.
People care about freedom and liberty in theory, but will gladly subjugate these noble aspirations for money. Everyone can be bought, not just politicians. When it cpmes to the economy and politics, hope is a derivative on margin that has been leveraged so much it is unrecognizable. Prepare accordingly for the margin call once everyone realizes hope has no substance anymore. Its too late
ron paul for president!!!!!
fuck the republicans and fuck the democrats.....each of those parties is a totalitarian gulag loving nazi organization seeking to subjugate ever more people under its murderous thumbs....
the cancer of american politics is the disease of greed and worship of mammon....each wants to take the rights and property of others with one favoring socialist redistribution while the other favors elimination of liberties and incessant wars of imperial aggression....on most days they both desire the same policies....
the have-nots want what they won't to work for, and the haves want to take even more of what they have already plundered....the age of mammon is upon us....the only bond uniting rich and poor is lust for other people's money....
the american way is a life of lies so it is no wonder that the president wants to assassinate people without trials because murder is the culmination of all lies...
Agreed.
Ron Paul is a great person and would have been a good leader in the difficult time ahead (we all going to endure).
The problem is the SYSTEM and no one person or even one group of people can change that.
Dummy people are easily manipulated, and this is the BIG problem with US of A.
What is to say about the EDUCATIONAL system when: "58% of republicans think the Earth was created in the last 10000" or "18% of Americans believe The SUN rotates around the EARTH"
I would guess that any statistics probing some knowledge about square root of -1, just have to be given to less than .1% of the population.
Start with fundamental (this is not to say elementary) education in your family, reasoning, science and core values, teach that to everyone around you ... and hope that in 10 years, after the BIG REBALANCING, you,and all people like you, will have a better change in shaping (hopefully) the (new) system.
Brushin' hawses in da livery stable !
It aint going to happen unless a bit of violence is used (e.g. Libya, Syria) imo.
All those guns in the peoples hands and you bend over for TPTB.
It's not the guns that I worry about. It's the 23,000 shoulder mounted rockets that we sent over to Libya back in 2/11. That's why Ambassador Stevens and the two CIA operatives were looking for when they were killed. Stevens brokered the original deal and had located some of the rocket when he was taken out. I think a few have shown up in Mexico and from what I read they are capable of bringing down a comercial airline.
This could be a bigger Dumocrat fuck up than giving fuel rods to North Curea (cur is an edible dog) !
I gotta say. One little Ron Paul article and the phony government trolls attack with gusto. Wow. What are you paranoiacs really afraid of? Freedom?
Thank you Ron Paul.
There's that unexplainable feeling again that we might have electrd the wrong man.
Henki.....
Liberty LOSES all the time. What helps Liberty win? GETTING A CLUE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HswgoJO5x88
That's why I think the biggest obstacle to political change in the U.S. is the mainstream news media.
Will the RP pity party ever end?
Why did he not stand up and run as an Independent?
Any *real* analysis of the Electoral College said BO was going to win a long time ago, what did he have to loose?
Because we are locked into a two party system. It would be a waste of time and money to go indepndant.
Beg pardon??
So in other words RP would rather be Libertarian in Republican clothing than really stand up for what he believes.... Umm, a tad disingenuous, isn't it?
LMAO, talk to Karl Rove about "waste of money"....
The label doesn't make a shit of difference in what RP or anyone else believes. I'm not smellin' what you're steppin' in......(?)
Agreed re: labels, but not going on your own does say a lot about what a man truly prioritizes...
Look, RP appears to be a nice guy, but the political economy has progressed beyond the 19th century....
Every republican looks like a cross between rush and Reagan to the rest of the population.
The question is, can a republican uphold the real values of the republic and conservativeism, conserving the original constitution and federalist papers, without being a fucking asshole?
Most of this assholeness comes from butting into other individuals’ rights, like women’s rights to their own body, or worrying about gays or jamming religion up everyone’s asses.
None of these are the concern or those who value individual liberty, which is the main goal of the framers of the republic. A true republican would have this individual liberty in his heart burning brightly and the last thing he would want to do is deprive life liberty and the pursuit of happiness from any other citizen.
The phony angry fake republican rush type asshole has sold out to religious freaks, and the hybrid is an abomination to liberty and the republic and to real republicans.
the republican party is fucking lost and fake and retarded because it has no concept of the above, and dont get me started on the democrats.
Don't stop, you are on a roll...
Deconstruct the Dems, if you don't mind...
I see them as an amorphous blob that can't really achieve anything, hell what was the last Democratic initiative that got enacted? To wit, Obama Care is really Romney care which was the Dole proposal in the '90s which in turn was the product of RW think tanks....
The Democrats are like a dysfunctional family....
+1 me too like to hear about the Dems
What did he have to loose?
He might have let loose freedom and opportunity...which could not be allowed, of course.
A little heavy on the empty platitudes, are we?
Just wanted to make a subtle play on words with your spelling error. Lighten up, Francis.
Never mind who voted and who didn't. Here are some people doing something about the elite overlord's drive to lie about the debt on their books, and to free potential debt slaves.
They are buying up distressed debt and FORGIVING IT! Apparently $500 bought $14,000 as a test, and it was forgiven. If they can get at the debt on bank's B/S somehow, this would vorce the re-valuation to "market" away from nominal book value and make those lying liars take the dive that should have happened 4 years ago.
I haven't gotten into the details, but this struck me with the same force as the Washington monument to the Vietnam war dead, did in its time.
http://howtosharpenpencils.tumblr.com/post/35285338188/the-peoples-bailout
Forgive my ignorance. But is it so straight forward as simply paying $500 for $14,000? There seems to be some information missing. Because if it is so easy, what is to stop people from taking out loans intending to not pay them back and later buy the claims on their loans literally cents on the dollar?
Looks like were doomed ! Next election .... let's all vote for the sleazy Dumocrat .... and see what he would do .... hopefully provoke civil war .... let's get it on .... tired of dying a thousand deaths !
Good luck with that comedy jihad, à la US sauce Heinz ketchup.
Say it now : "Allah O akbar is part of the tragedy Jihad and Saud Kingdom is our American Jerusalem as it keeps the vital oil flowing. USA is now up to its eyeballs in incoherent skyfall. Our bible is de facto the Quran O Allah."
Next time you sell a golden eagle you'll bow to Kabba. True Comedy Jihad.
That's what I did this election. I'm already waay ahead of you.
Gotta drive out that batshit crazy contingent of the republican party that believes in never-ending warfare and so-called security over safety.
Name one Republican that is in favor of "never-ending warfare".
How about the Randian Filth .... who profess to be Libertarian .... but are always first in line to pay their taxes ?
Ron Paul could have been the president but the American electorate doesn't grasp individiual liberty or self reliance. Who, other than Ron Paul has taken on the Military Industrial Complex, MSM, Fed government, the GOP and the Federal Reserve? No one!
When is the last time you heard a politician say these things:
"Ideas spread, you can't stop them. An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government!" -
Ron Paul
"You wanna get rid of drug crime in this country? Fine, let's just get rid of all the drug laws." Ron Paul
"The income tax opened the door to the era (and errors) of big government" Ron Paul
"One thing is clear: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where its citizens would pay nearly half of everything to the government" Ron Paul
(On the troops coming back without body parts) "When I see these young men coming back my heart weeps for them" - Ron Paul
Does it make sense to you to eliminate crime by repealing crime laws? Not me.
Jeebus, this is tiring.
Beware the TeaParty.
Also known as "The Koch's Plaything"....
end the fed
is it wise or simply convenient that he waited so long? was he under a suspended fatwa
until the end of the election, that could have been used against him, if necessary?
he missed his chance. his son is bent.
he's too mild and too late. To the glue factory.
his followers don't seem to be too effective either. too bad, but
look at what those idiot teabaggers have done, with not even half the brains.
I have no debt because I repudiated it a while back and am moving up with cash purchases of the few things I do buy except for Gold and Silver over internet from Apmex and a Scottrade account. I'm on a program of education and exercise and saving. Life has become very peaceful and enjoyable. Interesting how things change for the better when you slow down and quit struggling to make things work out like you think they should.
Sounds like a tough road.
Ron Paul quadrupled his support from 2008, including millions of primary votes and several state delegations.
The only reason Michele Bachmann even got a seat at the convention was because the Paul forces, having won 34 of the 35 seats, took pity upon her and gave her the last one.
In the context of Republican factionalism, the Oil Cartel (Koch, Exxon, Tea Party Phase II, climate denialism) has stabbed the rest of the party in the back. The 'feeling' of anti-statism led by Obamacare talking points but always, always aimed at cap and trade (they don't give a fuck about health care) made fools of a lot of liberty-minded folks.
The neoconservatives, itching for more war and more spending that we can't afford, stabbed the party in the back.
The evangelicals, mooching for power and corrupt cash, stabbed the party in the back.
Paul didn't buy in. But he made a huge dent.
Before believing the pap dribbling from the media outlets why not ask some questions here at ZH about what is really going on. You might learn something.
Is climate denialism like holocaust denialism?
Remember this, from Florida of all places:
"Congressman Paul, what would you say if Fidel Casto called you?"
"I'd ask him what he was calling about."
Shut the fuck up! I cannot wait until this dude fucking croaks. He so full of shit..... And you all FALL for it. Fucking clowns, RIP ZH, you used to be cutting edge, now you are just filled with racist libertarian assholes.
My goodness, it's certainly difficult to refute the well-thought out arguments you've laid out on display for us all here.
Well done, sir!
Educate us then or are we past redemption?
An yet, when Ron Paul had a chance to veto the President that amped up the drones, wars and kill lists.....refused to back his opponent. Ron Paul Fail.
Refused to back the opponent that also wanted "drones, wars and kill lists"?
Audacity17 Fail.
You always vote out the guy who is doing something you oppose....to teach a lesson to those that would follow. You have ZERO evidence that Romney would actually continue those policies.
Chum, as an individual 'I' don't vote anyone in or out.
As for having 'zero evidence' that Romney would actually continue those policies... you mean, like, besides the fact he never spoke out against them? And made no campaign promises to revoke them?
People that understand history and prefer limited government understand that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore, when people in power abuse the constitution, they should be vetoed regardless of who the opponent is. There were news reports before the election that Romney/Ryan would have a "more Reaganesque, less Bush" foreign policy. Buy hey...you guys got four more years of Obama.
"There were news reports" LOL that is a stomach achingly good one! Why are you on ZH when you are intent on being clueless and brainwashed?
Which of Romney's flip flops were you dead set on believing? Or maybe you prefer the Romney that would rather have lawyers sort out the Constitution than actually know what it is and intends?
Romey supported all of the things that Obama did except the people he directly was planning on doing favors for. You should probably move to Russia and "vote" in their elections.
Some of the few policies Romney was even faintly resolute about were
* increasing the size of the military
* providing unconditional support to Israel
* attacking Iran
* continuing the war on 'terror'
how much more proof do you need? The man had his tongue so far up our MIC's asshole it's amazing we could see his ears.
When it was looking more and more like the Republican establishment candidate was going to win, the more liberatarian members of the party, warned, rather loudly, and some on the airwaves, about the dangers and track record of moderare republicans, in terms of winning elections. Even so we were told by the republican establishment mouthpieces that we were the problem and we needed to nominate the most electable candidate.
This little bit of history seems completely missing from the conventional party leaders analysis of why republicans lost. In the sea of statistcs showing which constituent groups did what, completely absent is the analysis of how many liberatarians stayed home because the establishment candidate could not be distinguished from the progressive candidate. Even those who warned Romney could not win because he was too moderate seem to be forgetting that the outcome was the one they originally predicted.
So two election cycles in a row now, the Republican establishment got the candidate they wanted: McCain and Romney. Both lost. Perhaps its time for the republican establishment to stop displaying what Einstien would call insanity: nominating big government conservatives and loosing elections as a result. Perhaps it is tme for the establishment to admit they dont know what they are doing, they cant pick candidates that can win, and let people who actually have beliefs and convictions nominate someone who can explain them, like Ron Paul, and maybe we can win on a platform of freedom.
Unfortunately, there are large blocks of republican voters(especially in the Northeast) that want these types of republican.
...Perhaps its time for the republican establishment to stop displaying what Einstien would call insanity:
The people who pay the Republicans' bills would rather have a McCain or Romney loss, than a Ron Paul win.
They already own Obama too, so they could care less.
Ron Paul lost the race for the Republican nomination, and then he repudiated the Republican ticket. What convictions? He believes in himself.
The Republican party is dead. It has been completely infiltrated by slobbering children. The Democratic party is probably in the same condition.
Vote NOBODY 2016!
Actually, NOBODY is a great choice because:
NOBODY will keep election promises..
NOBODY will listen to your concerns.
NOBODY will actually help the poor and unemployed.
NOBODY cares.
NOBODY tells the truth.
Wait, RON! I like giving up my freedom!
'My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together.'
Excuse me, but wtf was that 'all my base is Romney's' kabuke during the RNC; That sell out broke my heart.
We could have been somebody.
We could have been a contender.
The same corrupt lib media that slimed this good man was responsible for the disgraceful one-sided reporting to support their puppet Obongo... this included coverups of the most egregious sort... criminal activities and outright slander of the opposition. What a disaster for our country... the full extent of which will not take long for even the most moronic of lemmings to realize...
Waiting for the crash then looking for George Wasington II.
Ron Paul is an old man who thinks in old man ways. All you sheep hoping he will save the day like Obi-Wan Kenobi have lost your minds.
He's a brand, just like Obama. Just like everything else in your little miserable lives. "Ron Paul Revolution," give me a fucking break.
Although I do think this election is doing much for the education of everybody here. Next step is to give up on Ron Paul and then you guys will really be going places.