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Spot The Start Of The End Of The Keynesian Dream

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Presented with little comment, but while there are numerous reasons for elevated oil prices (from short-term supply disruptions, middle-east tensions, and emerging-market demand) it appears something broke in Q1 2009 between a proxy for world trade (or indeed for ship-building mal-investment in hope-driven excesses continuing) and the cost of fulfilling that demand. After 25 years of credit-driven Keynesian (monetary-to-fiscal-policy reach-around) planning, it would appear it is different this time as the potential for infinite supply of fiat currency clashes with the 'finite' supply of hard assets (crude oil in this case)... Much as we question who gained from Draghi's first year of action in Europe, we suggest this chart clarifies who did not benefit from Bernanke's experimentation...

 

 

(h/t Alexander Ac)

 

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Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:05 | 2970060 Colombian Gringo
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Hang all banksters, now!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:09 | 2970071 Popo
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I suspect some angry citizens will start offing them one by one quite soon.  Probably in Greece first, then Spain.  

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:34 | 2970130 knukles
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Before anybody gets overly excited about all this shit, we should ask Krugman for his expert opinion.

(nuts shriveling, stomach churning)

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:01 | 2970445 Beam Me Up Scotty
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He has an account here but I haven't seen a post from him for some time.  I am sure its him.  He doesn't like to debate those that disagree with him.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:17 | 2971084 knukles
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Paul is an ideologue and thus, does not debate, consider, listen, communicate with, understand or participate.

He's a narrow minded little man exceeding full of himself, spouting, by and large, nonsense.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:20 | 2971095 akak
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Not so little a man, either --- have you seen his waistline inflation lately?

He probably has the BLS statistics to prove that his waist size has only increased 2% since high school, though.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:47 | 2971473 SafelyGraze
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you're saying that this is the real krugman?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 09:10 | 2972032 narapoiddyslexia
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Of course, it is. It is an exact likeness. And, the comments he makes here on ZH are in line with his blog, here. Think about it...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:28 | 2970259 sotto
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And then in the U.S.

http://economiccollapsenews.com/

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:13 | 2970081 redpill
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Funny, I seem to remember it was all blamed on terrorists, er I mean speculators.

In a way it's true, but it's just that it was the chairsatan speculating on the economies of the western world based on an ultimately self-defeating economic religion.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:51 | 2970178 Miss Expectations
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Mark Steyn said they tried to blame it on a "spontaneous movie review."

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:36 | 2970386 Everyman
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Screw that, drag them behind a pickup until there is nothing left but feet.  These scum deserve a very painful death so NOBODY does this CORRUPT CRAP again!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:35 | 2970521 falak pema
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don't forget to empty their pockets first, including their bank accounts via their iphones.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:09 | 2970062 Cult_of_Reason
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Mario Draghi, the ECB president, said on Thursday he had agreed to allow the profits to be passed back to Greece, but added he was unwilling to take further measures to help lower Athens’ debt burden, putting additional pressure on eurozone governments to take the hit.

The ECB is by and large done,” Mr Draghi said.

Eurozone faces brinkmanship on Greece

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ff3fd53c-29c4-11e2-9a46-00144feabdc0.html

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:19 | 2970097 VelvetHog
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Fact check:  Oil is not a limited resource.  There is an infinite supply right under our feet.  The problem is that the "libs" and NoBomma won't let us drill for it.  This is what all the good little brainwashed sheep keep reciting.  It must be true.......

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:24 | 2970108 THX 1178
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Where is the evidence?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:02 | 2970204 Curt W
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I have seen pictures of the planet taken from space, it is a finite size.

Infinite supply from a finite source is impossible.

Perhaps you need to research the meaning of infinite.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:52 | 2970317 jimijon
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This guy says it's growing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:44 | 2970398 Hobbleknee
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Abiotic oil.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:52 | 2970421 EscapeKey
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Oh god not this shit again.

Please state all available evidence of abiotic oil, and also state the evidence that abiotic replenishes the reserves as fast as our rate of extraction.

Once you've realized there's fuck all evidence of either, you'll realize why the North Sea is considered a mature, aka, tapped resource, and hasn't suddenly sprung back to life.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:29 | 2970511 falak pema
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Oh, I had these visions of Maggy Thatcher rising from the waves like Britannica resuscitated, trident and all, declaring : "I'm back, I want my money back and I bring you abiotic oil; as I was blamed of depleting it in the mad rush in the first place; all poppy cock ofcourse as I'm now totally hooked on Abiotic and once my mind is made up nobody can doubt it! "

Wow, wow, Maggie is back and all is well in land of Abiotic idiosyncracy, but that is so British, n'est ce pas?!!!

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 19:10 | 2970766 Flakmeister
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The trouble with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of North Sea Oil...

 

Copyright 2011  Flakmeister

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 00:11 | 2971646 SafelyGraze
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re: evidence of abiotic oil

In September 2009, the rig drilled the deepest oil well in history at a vertical depth of 35,050 ft (10,683 m)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon

so: what age is the sediment/rock at 10k mbsf (meters below sea floor) in the gulf?

if you image-search for age depth plot mbsf, the results wimp out at a thousand meters. so it's not obvious whether you should imagine the deep oil/gas to date from the current abundant-life era or from the poterozoic era before it

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 08:47 | 2972009 Flakmeister
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Yawn....

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:04 | 2970455 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Suck all of the water out of a mud puddle once.  Come back an hour later.  Is it bone dry?  Or is there some more water in the bottom of it?  Is that water there because of abiotic water?  Or is it there because you can't suck 100% of the water out of the mud puddle and all of the surrounding dirt?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 09:51 | 2972138 Incubus
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Sounds like we need better suckers.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:00 | 2971200 akak
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Infinite abiotic oil is an acerebral theory.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:48 | 2970859 Jack Burton
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Only so many tiny sea creatures died over a finite period of time and collected in places that were well capped by overbearing layers that allowed oil formation. Any damn fool knows this. The oil formation conditions were limited by these factors.

Some fool always posts about infinite oil or the crazy scheme of fast growing oil right under our feet. Chemistry, physics and geology, not to mention time itself has LIMITED the oil formed to a finite level. The anti science whack jobs need to either give us evidence of STFU.

I bet they NEVER present evidence for their infinite oil, because there is NONE. So stupid, so utterly demonstably false, yet they just keep parroting this mime as if saying it enough times will over come the laws of physics. Get this straight once and for all, The Laws of Physics have the last say, and they are the same everywhere in this universe. But they clearly do not pertain in the minds of the anti science wishful thinking crowd.

Infinite oil? Give it up!

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:10 | 2971352 redpill
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Whether it is there or not is a moot point (I agree with you that it's not), but the more immediate point is that regardless of what "theory" of oil is correct, the oil we can easily get to is becoming scarce.  Of that we have very definitive evidence.

It makes more sense to leverage nuclear/nat gas alternatives in the short term, and keep pushing commercial fusion in the long term with a focus on converting our liquid fuel demand to electricity and upgrading the electric grid at the same time.  Whatever you believe, the above strategy is going to be the most economical.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:15 | 2970228 Diet Coke and F...
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Here is a fact check video for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:56 | 2970321 The.Oracle
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You make your trades thinking oil is unlimited, and Obama could pump infinite amounts except he won't let the US military machine drill for it. I'll make my trades like its finite. Then we'll have this discussion again in a few years, mmmk?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:45 | 2970586 Bicycle Repairman
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We had the discussion 35 years ago and you were wrong.

You may not like historical facts, but they are facts nevertheless.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:50 | 2970417 falak pema
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the only true human endeavour which is unlimited is printing money; until we reach the wall of no return and we enter Weimar territory. We have that exemple.

We also have 1929 and fall out.

But it seems we need a repeat of both, and we want to skate on the thin ice of the return of totalitarian ideology, both oligarchy neo-feudal as jacobin and government central, in this conundrum that can truly bring down western civilization.

lets watch this film play out.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:55 | 2970430 EscapeKey
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We "need" a repeat as there's no end to human stupidity.

I mean, fucks sake, 15% of voters in Greece votes either for the Nazis or Communists.

Even Denmark has a communist party, drawing upwards of 8% of the popular vote.

Some people refuse to learn from history. Not just useful, but fucking stupid useful idiots. The historic evidence is right there, and yet, they hide behind a concrete wall of ignorance.

Anyway, the point with regards to money printing -> it's always the easiest political option to print money.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:04 | 2970453 captain_menace
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"Infinite"?  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:28 | 2970115 Seasmoke
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1997 was a great year......i miss it

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:32 | 2970126 urbanelf
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They printed too many ships.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:37 | 2970134 mkhs
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The chinese don't know the meaning of overcapacity.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:43 | 2970152 Long-John-Silver
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Perhaps they are planning ahead for the time when they will need that extra capacity to haul back our worthless dollars for use in dollar powered power plants.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 17:31 | 2970666 mkhs
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Floating wheelbarrows?

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:23 | 2970505 e-recep
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Today they are learning what it is. And they are learning it the hard way.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:33 | 2970127 disabledvet
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"Elastic demand vs INelastic demand, BITCHEZ." Here's a primer in case you all want to learn something important for the first time in you life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
and what is a Giffen good you ask? It is called a BAD good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffen_good
"as the price RISES people want MORE of it." so let us not confuse say...oil, or natural...which are clearly Giffen goods (hence why you can never store enough of them) and "mere gold" which is imply "conspicuous consumption"...even, indeed ESPECIALLY if done "inconspicuously"....since no one consumes oil "inconspicuously" at all. Apologies for calling oil an "inferior good" of course...but truly it is, since we use it for so very little actually. Not nearly as little as we used gold for of course....

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 13:44 | 2970156 Wakanda
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Great chart!  Even without a PhD in economics I "get it".

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:05 | 2970210 bugs_
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that serfdom hangover at the end of the road is a doosie

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:24 | 2970250 Mister Ponzi
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I would call it Keynesian wet dream...

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:27 | 2970258 sablya
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It's called "too many ships!" Duh.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:31 | 2970266 swissaustrian
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However, overcapacity of a service industry (shipping) compared to commodity demand (oil) isn't the best proof of monetary debasement. In other words: Newly built ships aren't consumables like oil.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:37 | 2970278 Winston Churchill
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The Jaws of Hell , on a chart.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:41 | 2970287 oldfruit1
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TYLER you are misleading the readership AGAIN ?! .. BDI has been crushed largely as dry freight rates have collapsed following massive ship building programs & overcapacity being created by shipping lines. When credit was easy they borrowed and commissioned new ships which keep coming on line .. and the freight market cannot absorb all this supply.

Amaterish analysis tyler which doesnt help credibility.

fruity.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:07 | 2970344 EscapingProgress
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This isn't even a problem. Just print more oil.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:18 | 2970364 q99x2
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Looks like QE causes inflation and collapse of world goods and services. That is more than enough proof for me. Arrest Bernanke now.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:24 | 2970372 linrom
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China uses more oil; China builds more ships!

Wen Jiabao family meet the Onassis family.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:46 | 2970404 max2205
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I keep telling you that high crude is the deal the US made with Saudi to play war in the middle east

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 16:02 | 2970447 e-recep
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best chart ever.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 18:18 | 2970792 Herdee
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Nice looking "spread trade" between those two sectors.It's a totally different type of trading and a type of trading that most traders are unaware of.You can learn about "spreading" by reading a book by a very smart trader named Courtney Smith.His book is called Futures Spread Trading:The Complete Guide.You can Spread trade just about anything against something else and make money on the difference,ie:Long one -Short two

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:43 | 2971149 MrSteve
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Time for everyone to remember that the Panama Canal has been / is being renovated to handle bigger ships, much bigger ships.

Check this site, for instance.

http://www.rejournals.com/2011/09/13/panama-canal-expansion-could-bring-...

Google your idea about Panama Canal and you might get facts to inform your own thinking, the best kind to do.

For instance, I could chart honey bee hive collapse counts against the FRB's balance sheet expansion and you would have yet another meaningless chart, no?

A Newton-Einstein level of basic reality is that correlation does not imply causation. Remember that when you see any chart proposing causation, such as honey bee population and FRB trillions of QEasy money.

Peace

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 20:53 | 2971178 indygo55
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"Oh god not this shit again. Please state all available evidence of abiotic oil, and also state the evidence that abiotic replenishes the reserves as fast as our rate of extraction."

It is a plausable and pretty well documented theroy, in Russia that is. You probably call it fossil fuel as well. But when you find oil at 13KM down, way below any fossils and way below where anyone else has drilled you have to at least give it pause. There would be a great number of people who would benefit from the truth (should it be true) being hidden for as long as possible.

Read below:

http://origeminorganicadopetroleo.blogspot.com/2011/10/russian-ukrainian-theory-of-deep.html

 

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 22:23 | 2971387 SKY85hawk
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Re: Avoiding the Fiscal Cliff

Why is everyone saying the legislated changes must be stopped? 

At the same time the media say spending must be reduced and 'revenue' increased!

 

These fearsome changes have been needed for many years.  Something has to change in the way politicians buy votes and voters acquire 'benefits'.

 

Finally, I wonder why few pundits try to remind people that Keynes said the additional debt must be paid back during the good times.

Remember "Surpluses as far as the eye can see" in 1999-2000?

 

We have only ourselves to blame for the irresponsible abuse of the Public Checkbook!. 

 

I look forward to your howls of denial!

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