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On America's Generous "Patriotic Millionaires" Who Just Can't Wait To Pay Down The US Debt

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Several months ago, an ad hoc consortium of self-proclaimed millionaires, sent a letter to Obama, Reid and Boehner, demanding that "for the fiscal health of our nation and the well-being of our fellow citizens, we ask that you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000." This grass roots initiative was formed in the aftermath of Warren Buffett's, since defunct, proposal to impose a "millionaire tax" rule. Of course, back then, as now, someone actually did the math and realized what the impact of such as tax would be in the grand scheme of the next decade of deficits, as we reported previously, and as summarized below.

One can see why not only the "Buffett Rule" but any attempt to balance the budget without collapsing government spending, would at best result in laughter, at least for those who who are still proficient with the occasional abacus.

The reason we bring up the issue of America's "Patriotic Millionaires" is that today once again, one of them made an appearance on CNBC, preaching why it is for the common good that there be a mandatory tax for all those who earn $1 million or more, because it is someone's view that the government is far better at finding subzero IRR ways of destroying capital (by definition) - something the US government has proven its efficiency with time and again, and certainly not only just under the current administration, but virtually every single one since the advent of income tax. As another reminder, this is how efficient the US government has been at creating deficits, if not so much surpluses, since 1900:

Luckily, as all these very much informed millionaires know quite well, the US Treasury has a dedicated section, named simply pay.gov, which allows anyone: billionaires (here's looking at you Mr. Buffett), millionaire, or even thousandaire, to make a donation which is used directly to pay down the US debt. Because in the absence of the government mandating rich people pay their "fair share" (as determined by a subcommittee of course) for now at least, there is always that other alternative: voluntary action, as per the auspices of something called free will.

And not only that, but the US Treasury also provides the general public with a running tally of just how much "Patriotic Millionaire" initiatives have given so far to paying down said debt. As in talk is cheap, signing petitions even cheaper, but putting money where your mouth is actually does go to the bottom line.

The bottom line so far in 2012? $7.7 Million - this is how much has been volunteered in total gifts to pay down the US debt.

So doing some quick math:

There were 165 signatories to the original "Patriotic Millionaires" list, among which Nouriel Roubini, Leo Hindery, Rick Schottenfield, and mysteriously, Whitney Tilson. One should of course add Warren Buffett: the progenitor of the grassroots movement. Thus a total of 166. In other words, assuming only these 166 people donated cash to the US Treasury in 2012 to pay down the debt (while a potential tax deal awaits), the average patriotic millionaire has donated a whopping of $46,684.45 toward paying down the US debt.

Putting this in context:

  • There is $16.245 trillion in debt
  • US population is at 314,694,000 most recently.

This amounts to $51,622.6 in debt for every man, woman and child (and excludes all the tens of trillions in unfunded welfare obligations).

In other words, assuming America's "Patriotic Millionaire" grassroots movement donated, (naturally this is a big assumption, but for the sake of humor we will go with it) on a pro-rata basis, have given $5K less than they owe as part of their natural funding obligation to the US.

And this is from the people who continue getting media time for being so "generous" they are willing to give out their money, and everyone else's, for the common good. Or at least, of course, until one actually calculates how much of their own money they have given.

Such as this guy.

But certainly hold your breath, because these same people, all of whom are very intimately aware of the details of offshore tax havens, have armies of accountants whose jobs are precisely to find creative ways to minimize their tax obligations, and, not to mention, numerous Swiss bank accounts, if not so aware of the pay.gov website, just can't wait to fund America's $16.3 trillion in public debt... and rising at $100 billion each month.

But hey: in a world in which actions are cheaper than talk, who cares - after all they "signed the petition." And that is what true patriotism is all about.

 

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Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:45 | 2973437 falak pema
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OT/ As this topic is just hot air from Oligarchs :

Here are two topics which caught my eye.

Climate Change Likely To Be Severe - Business Insider

Clinton To Miss Benghazi Hearings - Business Insider

The Petraeus scandal is getting deeper on the political front as on the personl front.

This Media report on Petraeus is very negative as manipulative and cynical MIC shill :

Michael Hastings Slams Petraeus - Business Insider

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:48 | 2973450 magpie
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The Petraeus "affair" reeks of BS...what next...everyday a new lover revealed

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:21 | 2973581 falak pema
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don't look at the decoys look at the heart of the matter : neither will tesitify.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:34 | 2973622 magpie
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Nonsense leaks and spin machine in overdrive...does this mean there will be similar forthcoming for Mrs. Clinton lulz

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:50 | 2973682 falak pema
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whats your point? 

The mIC is clean and Obammy is to blame, or they are all part of an ongoing scam? 

Its the truth that interests me and the probability of hearing it said openly.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:54 | 2973695 magpie
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The truth is already known. What matters is that if it is divulged, those telling it in public are sufficiently discredited first.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:09 | 2973726 falak pema
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there are many versions of it; as far as the MIC scam is concerned, both in Libya as extrapolated in Syria. Behind that lies the allegations of petraeus's manipulation of surge both in Iraq sunni-shia civil war as in Afghan to fool the Admin about its success there. Not just him but a bunch of generals; aka Pentagon top brass all in. 

That needs to be discussed. Like the CHurch commission dscussed Vietnam aftermath. 

This is something the public should know as Syria/Iran may be around the corner next. 

Obammy apparently wants out but not the MIC; it would be nice to know whats what.

The road to ME military complications is staring us in the face and the world has to know who is Lance Armstrong and who is clean and not on streoids. That is if this congress has the guts to want to know, which I doubt. 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:14 | 2973759 magpie
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I fail to see how the General and his catfighting mistresses will contribute to such factfinding...and there we have it.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:04 | 2973914 pods
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Well I heard a blurb on the radio this morning about how the bangee said something about prisoners at the "consulate" so that would be a HUGE admission, much worse than we were there trying to buy back MANPADS.

If the attack was in fact a storming of the annex or consulate (in reality a torture center) trying to free some "enemy combatants" who were having their testicles suckled by a pig then I am sure this would make a huge difference in how many heads rolled.

pods

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 19:11 | 2974373 falak pema
Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:45 | 2973438 Hallpass2012
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& this guy is a whore

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:47 | 2973445 earnyermoney
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F all these cynical financial predators.

Let's rewrite the tax code to confiscate the wealth of their foundations. Close all the tax exempt status of their political think tanks. F'n hypocrites. If the F'n government is the answer, give your money to the government to blow as they see fit.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:47 | 2973448 BlackVoid
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Why would any sane person contribute, when the government will spend your donation - probably badly - in  a metter of minutes. Sane people pay as little to the government as possible.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:25 | 2973599 machineh
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Cuz that $7 million will buy one-fourth of a Reaper drone ... help Uncle help you!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:48 | 2973451 AC_Doctor
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Will save some rope for Warren also...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:49 | 2973452 Waterfallsparkles
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With the way the Fed is printing Money and inflation sets in, there will be very few People that will earn under $250,000.

I remember when $10,000. a year was like $100,000. a year now.  Only 40 years ago.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:02 | 2973902 Vuke
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Yep, that's the plan.  ZH'ers are too young to get it.  By the time the new inflation fully kicks in anyone who owns a house will be a millionaire with government happily sapping away their cut.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:10 | 2973935 pods
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That is a perfect way to further enslave all of us.  Have some kind of "rich tax" and then of course devalue the currency until we are all rich.

Heck of a one two combination.

pods

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:27 | 2974573 Waterfallsparkles
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Another problem is that when you Sell an Investment Property of a large holding of Stocks.  That could very easily put you over $250,000. a year and cause you to pay the maximum tax for that year.  Even if your income normally is modest.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:50 | 2973455 Crtrvlt
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tax wall st and war st

 

end of story

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:50 | 2973457 Peter Pan
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Warren Buffet goes to heaven and St Peter asks him what three donations he has made to mankind.

Warren: I gave 50c in 1956 to an orphan

St Peter: What else?

Warren: I gave $1 to a widow in 1973

St Peter: What else?

Warren: I gave $2 in 2012

St Peter: Wait here till I check with God.

St Peter goes and finds God and explains that Warren has given the grand total of $3.50 and asks what to do with him.

God answers: Give him $5 and tell him to fuck off !!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:52 | 2973463 lizzy36
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Just a second, someone "donated" $7.7m to the US government to pay down the debt. WTF muppet was that.

Someone passed on $7.7m of hookers and blow to give the cash to Uncle Sam......wow that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my whole life.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:54 | 2973698 unununium
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Yep, only a sucker would go to pay.com as this post suggests.  Buffet is saying he will pay up, but only if others pay up too.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 14:57 | 2973477 lasvegaspersona
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the government is evil in that it allows 'stupid' to prevail. When to economy collapses we shall see who can float and who sinks based upon swimming skill rather than the life jacket support of the central planners. Until then it is just more government supported mediocrity.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:01 | 2973495 azzhatter
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Becky Quick is reasonably good to look at but let's face you know she is a dead fish in the sack. I suspect Warren thinks of her in his bath tub and wishes he could still get a chubby

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:28 | 2973605 machineh
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Quaaludes are the only thing that loosens her up. But then she goes all floppy on you.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 19:13 | 2974382 WillyGroper
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>>Quaaludes

ur old. Just laughing about these last nite. 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:02 | 2973499 csmith
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Love the bit about how "wealthy" people don't get out of bed every day worrying about what the tax rate is. They go to work because "that's what they do".

False. At some level of taxation EVERYONE quits, and that level doesn't have to be  70% or 80% when it is so obvious that tax dollars are WASTED so flagrantly on "progressive investments" like wind power.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:04 | 2973505 NuYawkFrankie
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Buffet - Bloviator for The Ages

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:06 | 2973511 lunaticfringe
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Fuck Buffett. He owns Geico. Been reading stories this a.m. about insurance companies ripping off clients on the east coast.

Somehow,like deja vu all over again, I think I've seen this somewhere else before. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2012/11/east-coast-now-feeling-p...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:24 | 2973596 Zymurguy
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Geico... government employees insurance co.

Many don't know what that company is really all about.  As a taxpayer you're already doing enough to support it... don't use it yourself and feed it even more $$$.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:16 | 2973557 Zymurguy
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"...debt held by public"

That's a false pretense.

The debt the government believes is public debt is mostly odious.

Our situation will not be solved by our elected representatives...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:21 | 2974188 Totentänzerlied
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It happens to be legally binding, and they have the guns, bombs, drones, tanks, and missiles to "prove it". If you think the government doesn't intend to collect on public debt, look at the history of the IRS.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:20 | 2973577 kralizec
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Patriotic?  LOL!

Having a gun to your head, awesome patriotism ya got there , asswipe!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:22 | 2973589 yogibear
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So now millionares will make it look like they make under $250,000. For people with a lot of money and smart tax lawyers there are always loopholes! Who do you think wrote the tax laws?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:27 | 2973604 venturen
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time to flatten the tax. Yearly capital/asset gains, no shelters. no trusts, same rate everyone with no deductionsm no deferrals, one retirement plan for all no 401k, IRA, exec plan, just one plan! The one deduction are KIDS as those kids are going to pay for our future. I don't want to pay for your cat charity, big house, hedgefund manager, or fat retirment!!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:31 | 2973610 Tombstone
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Proves one thing; millionaires and billionaires have no lock on owning the most brain cells.  Why would anyone pay a government more taxes when that government wastes over 50 cents on every dollar it steals? 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:38 | 2973637 lead salad
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I'd fight Buffet....Warren or Jimmy, take your pick. They both suck.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:38 | 2973638 realtick
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Higher Unemployment = Faster Government Borrowing http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/11/higher-unemploy...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:44 | 2973660 Clowns on Acid
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Why talk small ball? Look at the facts as they present themselves.

There is a reason why the London bookmakers had Obama at 1:2 odds regardless of the "momentum" of Romney fater the 1st debate. They knew that the left wing facsism would prevail...by hook or crook.

The oddsmakers saw the money coming in on Obaa and palyed the market making function perfectly. The Election did come down to the 8 or so swing states. With the CEO of GOOG, and the CEO of FB in Obama's pocket, not much effort would be required to identify all elegible voters in swing states, define their political preferences from search and Facebook postings, and then target them with ads (women = abortion, minorites / lower middle income = loss of benefits, Minorties in inner city = make sure that they are bussed or community organizer encourged (with money, cell phones, etc..). Classic left woing facsism.

Hey if I was a left wing facist thats what I would do. I mean who mis going to call you out..the MSM? hehe.

So...tax rises for the "wealthy", cuts in spending for the old white people that voted for Romney (don't worry Google will figure that out), tax incentives for housing industry and other hand out industries, and voila...the story of Forward ! is complete.

Want to oppose...be careful the IRS will be all over your neck. FORWARD !

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:45 | 2973665 SmoothCoolSmoke
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The problem with America is the widely held belief that if someone has a lot of money...then they are wise.   This belief is, of course, most fervishly held, by people with a lot of money.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:51 | 2973687 news printer
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Winter Wheat Drought

The U.S. Drought Monitor still shows drought across more than 62% of the nation. More importantly, the, "extreme drought" area still covers approximately 6% of the nation.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:54 | 2973697 Rathmullan
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the whoracle's senility is outpacing his prostate cancer. He'll drive Bershire halfway into the ground before the board has him institutionalized.

Let's see, ice cream, soda pop, mac and cheese and big train sets. His regressive maturity indicates that along with being short Berkshire,one should probably go long Hasbro and Mattel.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 15:58 | 2973710 slackrabbit
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We could just cut all crony subsidies and allow each person to be their own corporation.

 Now we can claim expensces on everything including that $1100 waste basket ;-)

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:03 | 2973725 Arthur
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Where oh where is Arthur Lauffer when you need him?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:20 | 2973733 “Rebellion to t...
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Dear Warren,

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!  

Last I checked, you can't take it with you.  

May want to look into whether Lucifer gives a shit you had a lot of money while you were hoarding up here on earth.

You built a corrupt, government reliant/dependent insurance empire, all the while pretending you were a kindly, grandfatherly type.

Fuck off you old fraud.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:18 | 2973774 Oldwood
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I gave at the office.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:21 | 2973783 Hubbs
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These fat cats who suddenly become so rightous just make me puke.  Pure hypocrites. Buffet has benefited from tax laws, passsed by paid-off politicians, not because of anything productive he has done in his God- damned life that has been of any benefit to humanity. He has just taken money from oine group of people, and after skimming off the top for himself, transferred what's left to Berkshire Hathaway.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:24 | 2973788 TheObsoleteMan
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The present Federal Income Tax we now are saddle with was sold to the public in the same way: Originally it was to be paid only by the rich, and who doesn't want to soak the rich, right? Well, you see how it all ended. People have such a little knowledge of history, they fall for the same old game, time and time again. It wasn't that long ago that Buffet was well respect by all, the Wall Street pimps still worship at his feet. More and more of the "little people" are seeing him for what he has been all along; A crony capitalist POS. When the elites start asking the government to raise their taxes, WATCH OUT. There is something unnatural about that, it runs counter to their nature. J.D. Rockefeller was the mold for today's ultra wealthy; They never give away anything unless they expect more in return.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:27 | 2973797 flaunt
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I find it amusing that the pay.gov website allows you to pay via credit card.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:39 | 2973834 earnyermoney
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you should try to put in a negative number and see if your card gets a credit from Timmay.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:29 | 2973804 tooriskytoinvest
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Peter Schiff & Marc Faber: The Real Fiscal Cliff Is Dollar Crisis! Buy Gold! Buy Silver! Own Real Things!!! We Have So Much Manipulation. It’s Money Printing Versus Weaker Corporate Earnings!

http://investmentwatchblog.com/peter-schiff-marc-faber-the-real-fiscal-cliff-is-dollar-crisis-buy-gold-buy-silver-own-real-things-we-have-so-much-manipulation-its-money-printing-versus-weaker-corporate-earnings/

Trend Forecaster Gerald Celente Sues Google To Block His Obscene Impostors

http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/trend-forecaster-gerald-celente-sues-183716239.html

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:30 | 2973806 Dr. Engali
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I wish somebody would actually challenge these lying pricks. Propose a wealth tax and watch this asshole scream.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:36 | 2973826 Jim B
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I agree about $5 Million should be enough for Warren Buckethead.  

PS.  We need to include the cash he hides in foundations and trusts!

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 19:53 | 2974503 blunderdog
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Let's not make it a tax...no one likes taxes.  Let's make it a SUBSCRIPTION service--that's a popular enough idea, isn't it?  People SHOULD pay for the services they use, just like in free markets.

So say anyone who wants to vote in a Federal election just has to pay 10% of their net asset wealth to participate.

This should make everyone happy.  No more "mob rule" by the folks who don't pay income taxes, no risk of democracy taking hold, and it would be simple because it would apply to all individuals equally. 

Some may object because of that whole "poll tax is unconstitutional" tradition, but anyone who has net asset wealth of ZERO wouldn't have to pay anything.  What could be more fair than that? 

A lot of the loudest complaining folks here are worried they're going to be penniless under the jackboot of the current communist dictator soon anyway.  At least this would give them option of going down fighting.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:40 | 2974589 Waterfallsparkles
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There use to be a Poll Tax.  The only people that could vote were Property Owners.  Unless you pay a Poll Tax to vote.

Our Founding Fathers were wise men.  I think that they knew what would happen to the Country if people that did not have a financial stake in the outcome could control the Nation.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:35 | 2973823 steveo77
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I am shocked

Only 96 signed up for a contest for free 10 oz silver bar through my site.

It is still open, first correct guess at closing price on the Nov 30 wins

Only the first

 

http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/2012/11/free-10-ounce-englehard-silver-b...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:48 | 2973858 justanothersucker
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Closing price where?  NY?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:37 | 2973829 Segestan
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That would be 7.7 million to much. No one should do a thing unless out sourcing is outlawed.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:51 | 2973865 holdingontomypants
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"Florida should be allowed to sucede peacefully"

A: No way in hell the federal government would ever allow any state to withdraw from the Union. Once you’re in the US you are in for life, for better or worse. Like a marriage.

B: To sucede from the Union you would need two-thirds vote by the citizens of that state to do it and with most states having half the voters in the democratic party of freebies again no way in hell it would ever happen.

C: The federal government would never allow it to happen and they would use the US Military to oust the currrently seated governor and disolve the state legislatures and place a caregiver federal governor in its place.

D: The federal government looks at itself as a sovereign nation with all the states as its territory and Obama as its king. It would never allow for any of its land holdings to be taken away from them, much less any of its income from the peasants be eliminated from their tax coffers.

E: Once a state joins the federal union it forever lost its individual identity and its rights.

F: You may renounce your US Citizenship but never can your state renounce its citizenship.

G: The list goen on and on why a state will never be allowed to peacefully leave the union. You are stuck for life with the federal government.

H: If you move to another country then you no longer have to live under this Kings rule. But he won't let you take all your money with you because he says it belongs to him and his followers.

Signed, President Barack Obama, King of the US. Ruler of you!!!

 

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 16:55 | 2973885 Segestan
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True... but it's far bigger than that. Think 'Bar Association and crown'.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:02 | 2973906 akak
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And the USSR is indivisible and eternal too, right?

Politics, history and the unsustainable nature of empires all laugh at your use of the word "never".

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:55 | 2974106 holdingontomypants
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The USSR is alive and well. You really think communisym is dead there? Different name but same players. Just a reorganization of the players but the ideology is still alive and the people for the most part still live the same way today as they did under the USSR flag. I guess you believe the cold war with the Russians is over too huh.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:03 | 2974128 akak
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The USSR is alive and well.

The citizens of the independent nations of formerly captive Lithuania, Armenia or Kyrgyzstan might tend to disagree with you.

You haven't been traveling with AnAnnoyingUs in his magical lightning-powered time-traveling rickshaw, have you?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:34 | 2974237 TheObsoleteMan
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States will not secceed, but the nation will tear apart just like the old USSR did. That is the plan the elites have for us.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WApxyuwKIqI

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:09 | 2973933 bobzibub
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Maybe the discussion should be about taxing those other people?

 

The Economy Stinks, but at Least Corporate Profits Are at 60-Year Highs!

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/the-economy-stinks-b...

 

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:21 | 2973981 sbenard
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Since it is going to be a "Buffett tax", I propose that we impose it only on Buffett! "Uncle" Warren is an evil SOB!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:21 | 2973984 socalbeach
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One thousand multi-millionaires go to a tax shelter conference, and leave the keys to their Rolls and Jags at the front door.  The attendant takes off with all the receipts, so the keys are handed out randomly to the guests as they depart. 

What are the chances that none of the millionaires gets the correct key?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:33 | 2974033 Uncle Remus
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"It's just a cold sore."

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:38 | 2974048 ScotlandTheBrave
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If Buffey Buffet is so concerned about the debt why didn't he just give his fortune to the US Treasury instead of "Gate's Employment for His soon to be liberal-ass rich fuck looser kid's [not yours] Foundation."  Buffet knows it would be like trying to put out a forest fire with garden hose, so he puts it where it will do some good and not in the bottomless wasteful spending pit of Washington DC.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 17:47 | 2974077 khakuda
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It's very simple if Buffett wants to pay more taxes.  Buffett should not be able to give all his money away to charity tax free.  He is escaping capital gains taxes on his long term holdings, gift taxes, etc.  They should tax it beyond a certain dollar level AND they should make it retroactive.  That should make him happy.

He says he couldn't have succeeded in any other country but the U.S., so let him repay his debt to the nation instead of finding sneaky ways to cheat Uncle Sam out of revenue.  He needs to pay his fair share, as they say.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:13 | 2974156 holdingontomypants
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but he didn't cheat Uncle Sam nor did the other filthy rich people. They simply used all the tax laws and loopholes that were placed in our extremely complex tax code that our wonderful politicians created for them. Want to blame somebody look to the 435 representatives. They write the tax code that the IRS enforces. You would be considered a business fool if you didn't exploit 100% of all legal means to not pay the IRS anything more then you have to. The tax code was written by the rich and for the rich. The rest of us middle class workers just get the bread crumbs. I would like to see the tax code simplified to two pages as follows;

Page 1: US TAX CODE PERSONAL AND CORPORATE

            EVERYBODY PAYS-NO FREEBIES

Page 2: ALL PERSONAL TAXES AT 5% WITH NO DEDUCTIONS

            ALL CORPORATE TAXES ARE 20% WITH NO DEDUCTIONS AND LLC'S ARE CONSIDERED CORPORATE.

 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:12 | 2974164 wisefool
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USA's #1 Conservative politician, Mitt Romney in a nutshell:

"Corporations are people my freind"

after the tax return scandal.

"I am not a business. lets take my business record out of the campaign discourse, pretty please"

after losing to encumbant. pitiful economy,tax cheat in charge of the IRS

"I am not the president, I will not seek public office again. I'll just take my tax free campaign funds and ride off into the sunset ... however ... I will always be a great patriot"

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:16 | 2974174 Totentänzerlied
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He's a politician, but hardly #1, and he isn't a conservative in any way.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 18:14 | 2974169 Totentänzerlied
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Class warfare. Ain't fuckin' hard to figure out that throwing your own puny Millions at a multi-Trillion dollar problem is a terrible investment. Everyone knows you have to throw other people's _illions at every conceivable problem - that's just simple Keynesianism, even a Nobel laureate could understand.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 19:53 | 2974497 icanhasbailout
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I'm guessing you don't get to be a multi-multi-millionaire without being able to recognize a hopeless, bottomless money abyss when you see one.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:06 | 2974526 The Continental
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These rich bastards and politicians always define wealth in terms of income (flow) rather than net worth (stock). Gee whiz, I wonder why that is?

Here's an idea: Total US dollars extant worldwide is estimated at $200 trillions. The Treasury declares a 10% dollar devaluation versus other world currencies. The treasury prints (or credits) $20 trillion to the Congress. Congress purchases the entire national debt held by the FED and with the $4 trillion in spare change upgrades America's outdated and crumbling infrastructure. The economy enjoys a massive infusion of $4 trillion and every taxpayer (the 51%) enjoys a 5% cut in federal income taxes. The economy would boom. The wealthy would take a disproportioante hit to their worth - Buffet gets his wish - and Obama gets his redistribution.

 

Of course, this would likely precipitate a war with our major creditor. Failing that, I'm confident the federal government would go on a massive spending binge and restablish a sizeable national debt in a few short years.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:28 | 2974711 rjs
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uhh...we dont want to pay down the debt...what happens to markets with no safe assets? teir 1 capital? repos?

you want china to buy something real instead of our paper..

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:33 | 2974716 jonjon831983
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Actually, I'm relatively positive that they are doing this... as long as they have no defectors and they truly follow through without some sketchy loophole.  The problem I think is that what they give initially is not enough for the public mind.  The initial thought is that they are only paying their dues and have not had the same hardship and suffering as others.

 

But if they can overcome that, the motivation of paying taxes would be ... improved.

 

Then of course there is the problem of moral hazard bailing out the government for it's decades of policies.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:23 | 2975137 synsolve
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Hell, you could raise that 7.7 mil. just cleaning our Warren's sofas.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:23 | 2975138 synsolve
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Hell, you could raise that 7.7 mil. just cleaning our Warren's sofas.

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