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The Devil You Know

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Via Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Politics is the entertainment branch of the Military-Industrial Complex.
- Frank Zappa

Democracies die behind closed doors.
- Judge Damon J. Keith

Every act of creation is first of all an act of destruction.

My Thoughts on the Election: The Devil You Know

Regular readers know that I voted for the Libertarian candidate for President, former Governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson.  I outlined my reasons for this choice in several posts, most definitively in my piece Meet Gary Johnson: The Libertarian for President Polling at 7% in Colorado.  While I was already excited for my first act of Presidential civil disobedience, I didn’t realize how truly liberating it would feel until the next morning.  Many Americans voted for “the lesser of two evils” and were disappointed
in the result.  This must have been an emotional double whammy in the
sense that not only did the guy you disliked so much that you were
willing to vote for a candidate you didn’t like win, but you didn’t vote
your conscience.  Personally, I didn’t have to deal with either emotion because I voted for the person I liked the most despite residing in a swing state.  What allowed me to do this was the complete and total recognition that under both major candidates America loses.

My major issues are:

  1. The Federal Reserve scam and Wall Street theft.
  2. Civil liberties and the destruction of the Constitution.
  3. Our aggressive foreign policy and imperial wars abroad that help only the oligarchs and impoverish the masses.

On these three issues, Mitt Romney would have been as bad if not worse than Obama and that is why Mitt Romney lost.  There has been a lot of talk in the past few days about the future of the Republican Party and rightly so.  The strange genius of Obama’s first term was that it was a perfect continuation of the disastrous policies of George W. Bush, and he was able to get away with it because of the “left cover” that the brainwashed fake liberal class in America provided him.  This left the Republican establishment desperate and confused and this came through crystal clear in Romney’s Presidential run.  Unless the Republican Party rids itself of the chicken-hawk, neo-con, warmongering contingency that seems to have a peculiar obsession with the female gender’s reproductive habits, they are doomed to disappear.  It is so out of step with the growing political awakening in America it’s not even funny.  Meanwhile, the Democratic Party has basically become the Republican party under George W. Bush with the exception that they support abortion and gay marriage.  Politics is becoming very interesting indeed.

I have to admit that I was much less irritated by Obama’s victory on Wednesday morning than I expected to be.  There are several reasons for this.  First of all, he is the devil we know.  By this I mean that the resistance to Obama and his crony-capitalist, fascist policies is reasonably well advanced.  Obama spent his entire first term blaming his predecessor for the crappy economy.  He will have no one to blame but himself in the collapse that is coming.  This is good and will allow people to finally focus on some real issues.  Furthermore, there are many prominent progressive journalists and activists that held his feet to the fire throughout his first term and will continue to make the arguments in the second.  On the other side of the political spectrum, although Gary Johnson received a disappointing 1% of the popular vote, he still did get 1.1 million votes and the Libertarian movement is strongest with the youth, which is of course the future.  While still only a bud barely breaking the surface of the soil, the Liberty Movement is alive and well and will only grow in the years ahead, as power is transitioned from the baby boomers and their tired ideas to a new generation that sees the world very differently from their parents.

I believe that had Romney won, the fight to really change things would have been delayed.  His supporters would have held back criticism for a while as they “hoped” that he would make it all better.  It would have take a little while for them to realize that he is just another crony capitalist oligarch puppet.  Based on his comments and Wall Street backing, there is no doubt that he would never have done absolutely zero in the realm of structural reform.  The country has cancer, not a common cold, and our response therefore must be much more serious than either of these corporate candidates are willing to commit to.  We know that such legitimate change will not come from the political class and Gary Johnson’s disappointing result proves to me that things will have to get ten times worse before the public gets the joke.  Unfortunately, it will get ten times worse in the coming years, and I strongly believe that 2013-2016 will be a historic period in the political transformation of the United States.  The show is over.  It’s time to buckle up.


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Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:35 | 2974582 DoChenRollingBearing
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The Peruvian economy seems to be doing better than ours...

"Another Digit, Another Comma!"

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:06 | 2974640 overbet
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I strongly believe that 2013-2016 will be a historic period in the political transformation of the United States.


I call

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:46 | 2974761 brewing
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read em and weep - shit house...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:31 | 2975151 fattail
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Yes, it must get worse before it gets better, and it will come, as the 47%rs give their list of demands to the president for their support during the past election.  Team Blue owns this decrepid POS and when the SHTF I hope the 47%rs will be so dis enchanted with obama they don't vote and let taxpayers elect some small gov't types to reduce the size and scope of the federal gov't.

There is no money.  Not enough for obama to pay off the free loaders, and the MIC, and the AARP.  They will drive this country into the ground.  Team Red won't get past their love for global war and the MIC.  They have already signaled their surrender on tax rates, good luck getting any real spending cuts.

Any spending cuts at all will cause GDP growth to be negative.  Tax revenues will decline, exacerbating the deficit, and running the debt level to ever more unsustainable levels, requiring evermore green paper money to paper over our unsustainable debt problems.

The sooner the better; lets get this shitstorm started while we are all still young.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:00 | 2975278 Seer
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"Not enough for obama to pay off the free loaders"

I thought that was the Fed's job.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:44 | 2975327 Ham-bone
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Democracies only good on the way up, dividing up the goodies and putting off the bills on somebody else. 

What got us in this will not get us out of this...but I don't yearn for the unknown as much as I know what is cannot be.  I'll enjoy (but not celebrate) the bullshit that is as long as possible cause I don't know how long or deep the shit storm of broken promises will go.

This is my life and I'll make the best of it - regardless of which epoch of assholes are trying to rip everybody til someday they can't take it anymore...and victims turn into gullible hordes.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 06:44 | 2975478 10mm
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Here in the shithole State Capitol city of broke dick Harrisburg,Pa,about a block from the Governors mansion,a table with a few lap tops and occupied by some Obamanites ready and willing to assist those for SSI,snap and whatever the fuck is up for grabs.It was a nice day weather wise.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:33 | 2975152 Incubus
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I already called 2016 about a year ago.


God, it's awesome how fucking prescient and awesome I am. 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:01 | 2975282 Seer
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I'm thinking that this would flunk you out of basic/elementary math (2012 - 1 = 2011)!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 10:14 | 2975796 Incubus
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what are you on about, Willis? 


I said 2016 is the year collapse manifests.  Not a year before that.

You don't have to be familiar with people on a sociological level to know that hope dies last.  And when it dies, it's going to be a bitch.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:37 | 2974587 francis_sawyer
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-  "Politics is becoming very interesting indeed."

-  "I strongly believe that xx13-xx16 will be a historic period in the political transformation of the United States."


anything more to "entertain" us with?...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:50 | 2974766 vast-dom
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you say this country has cancer? i say it has metastasized such that inside is the outside and vice-versa, washingon is wall street and vice-versa a la:

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:37 | 2974913 Ignorance is bliss
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2013 - 2016 may be historically interesting to some, but I'm worried. I am worried about my employment, my income, my bills, inflation, crime, my neighborhood, my family, my church, my future, etc... I see nothing but a shit show. I worry... That's how I feel about Obama and the looser...what's his name? Please don't refresh my memory because it doesn't fucking matter.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:50 | 2974949 vast-dom
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I worry about the fact that you attend church at this stage of the game and that God has not advised you on how to use spellcheck, let alone imbue his disciple with strong grammar. 


"If you're doing business with a religious son-of-a-bitch, Get it in writing. His word isn't worth shit. Not with the good lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."


Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:52 | 2974962 Ignorance is bliss
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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:49 | 2975178 jeff montanye
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now, literally, spellcheck has no problem with "looser" (less tight).  it's the dictionary that's needed.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:44 | 2975265 Diogenes
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"If you want a dirty deal, get in with a church man"

-my grandmother ( born in the 1890s)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:04 | 2975287 Seer
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You didn't believe that it continue forever, did you?

The REAL fundamentals: Food, Shelter and Water.  When you're scrambling for the basics, THEN real worry is mandatory.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:15 | 2975300 xtop23
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You read the Kerry thread right?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:37 | 2974588 francis_sawyer
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Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:39 | 2974593 Drachma
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Democracies die behind closed doors.
- Judge Damon J. Keith

Apparently they are born there too.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:40 | 2974594 Thecomingcollapse
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I'd settle for a completely newly elected House and Senate as a consolation prize

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:51 | 2974613 risk-reward
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Sometimes I think we should desolve Congress and let K street put the new guys in there.  That would save a lot of standing in line and the result would be the same.

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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:51 | 2975179 jeff montanye
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see zappa above.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:05 | 2975289 Seer
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I recognize your cynicism... I think it's a valid statement expressing the futility of it all.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:44 | 2974603 rhinoblitzing
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You lost your credibility big time with this statement:

"prominent progressive journalists Held his feet to the fire"

WTF!!! Go back to Huffington and the NYT's -

The fact that Tyler put up this post is a sad statement of where we are and where we are going.  

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:09 | 2974834's picture

Go Team Red?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:00 | 2974979 yellowlight4570
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Yout absolutly right, a name or two would have been helpfull. I sure can't think of any.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:21 | 2975206 jeff montanye
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glenn greenwald, naomi klein, matt taibbi are three.

of these the most consistent and productive is greenwald.  he also highlights other left wing critics of obama's policies.

p.s. chris hedges

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:01 | 2974984 Fox-Scully
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It truly would be a sad thing if Tyler did not put this post up or any others that did not stir some emotions.  Posts are not meant to satisfy a self-appointed select few!  Whether you agree or disagree tells me you still have the right to voice an opinion which is the most important aspect of this blog.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:35 | 2975251 JR
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Mike apparently wasn’t plugged into ZH Saturday, Sunday and Monday before the election and missed the message. The Tylers and many bloggers urged people NOT TO VOTE.

And, of course, the trolls from the Obama campaign were on hand to oppose voting, hoping to keep Ron Paul voters from voting for Romney.

They managed to get the Obama supporters out en masse, however.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:44 | 2974604 caimen garou
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Buckled up, check. say good night Irene.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 03:32 | 2975316 xtop23
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Irene is so 2011. This years disaster theater du jour is named Sandy.

On a more serious note. I'm honestly amazed at the lack of preparation on the part of the populace on the Eastern seaboard. 

I mean seriously, didn't ANY of those nitwits see what happened during Katrina and think, "Hrmm, maybe a few provisions might be a good idea?"

I'm not a rocket scientist, but even I know that having a few months of food, an AR-10, 10 gallons of gas, a generator, and a tent / sleeping bag is probably not a bad frickin' idea.

Welcome to the movie, "Idiocracy", in real time.



Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:06 | 2975486 StychoKiller
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A case of Brawndo® wouldn't hurt either! :>D

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:44 | 2974605 q99x2
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I voted for GMO labeling. Lost that one.

I voted for Gary Johnson. Lost that one.

I voted for Feinstein's opponent. Lost that one.

and so on.

They had the black box voting box at my polling place. I think Mitt Romney's brother owns the company that makes them. But hey I got to see my neighbors.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:48 | 2974608 SgtSchultz
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Is it time to just give up and leave?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:57 | 2974625 francis_sawyer
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It's time to eat the apple strudel & be happy...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:03 | 2974638 Winston Churchill
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Nearly.Unfortunately when this sucker goes down ,its

taking most everywhere with it.NZ looks good right now.

Start making preparatons as an alternate bug out scenario.

Don't pay too much attention to Simon Blacks articles here.

Talks big but has no trousers,A little knowledgge is a dangerous thing,

and he personifys that.Plus he trying to unload a short9now long) term investment

in South America on the gullible.


Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:05 | 2974822 PLira
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Quito Ecuador and Acapulco are excellent winter/summer alternative destinations. Cheap living, large ex pat communities, bureaucratic smegma so little ever gets done without "grease".

I thought long and hard about it, did the research and in the end, wanted to stay here for the fight. Gonna be a hell of a party and hey, the ZH timeline thing.

If you go, you do so with my blessings and I'll always (for now at tleast) welcome you back. If you haven't already secured a second passport, you're kinda screwed unless you want to dole out min 90k. Dominican republic takes about 3 years or so but you don't have to be a resident. Problem is, USSA is tightening the Cap Control screws and when the shit goes down here, they'll lock it up completely. Fer instance, if you wanted to wire 100k to buy property in Panama, because of the rules of withholding 30% by the foreign banks, you have to send 130k and get your 30k back from uncle sugar.

Additionally, this:

As for Simon, yes, he ratfucked himself as did Doug Casey who really ratfucked himself with the Argentina property, which is in a fucking desert and, Argenfuckintina for Christ sakes. Chile ain't bad in the cities but when the shit blows up, I don't know how they'll do. Keep in mind, Quito has 2 million souls as well.

I wouldn't take to long to decide, that window for departure is rapidly closing.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:41 | 2974932 kito
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ecuador is an excellent choice......cuenca may be a better city than quito...........

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:25 | 2974988 PLira
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That is one good choice. My basic thesis was to network in Quito with the Ex pat community for a bit, explore and find a suitable town/area, explore extensively with overnights/short stays and decide from there. This would have occured in a 6-8 month period or so.

I've been to Guayaquil a couple of times, too friggin big to operate effectively. I've never been to Cuenca but I don't doubt your choice. If I were to go, my choices would be along the coast as I like this kind of enviroment mostly although the weather of the many disticts outside of Quito is most excellent, from my experiences. Tons of choices.

Additionally, if I was going to go, it would be by cruise line, the last of 2012 which leaves the West Coast on Dec 5. If I recall right, leaves from SF to Valispriso.

Here's one but the prices vary between websites.

Another, same cruise, different website:;jsessionid=806DE05...

I refuse to fly. I won't go into other details without revealing that which must not have attention called to it but it is easier to move valuables. Big Sis has eyes everywhere.

Anyway, I had this shit mapped out but, I decided to stay for the party that is to come. Gonna be some interesting times comin and I want to play in the game for the side of Liberty. May not last long but, at least I tried.

Thanks for your suggestion though.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:50 | 2975079 hawk nation
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My problem with this thinking and i spent alot of time in central america evaluating places tolive was atthe endof the day when america collapses i think the whole world will be on fire and no place will be safe

I think every dictator will decide to invade and country that they think they can steal wealth from 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:10 | 2975123 PLira
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The biggest danger of Ecuador, is that they use the US$ as a currency. Because of this, when the US goes down, much calamity will ensue.

One must do extensive research on these problems of each country before relocating. In this case, the best thing to do would be to convert USD$ to PM's prior to the collapse of the USD. The interm switch to whatever currency the EC decides to use will be a difficult period but ultimately, due to the state of EC Bureaucracy which was for me, notoriously slow and greased, one has to take these things into account.

The way I see it, the more tumultuous the Bureaucracy, the better for the citizen as the wheels move too slow to effect quick change.

Chile might be a better fit but I like the EC climate much more than Chile. Do the work, act on your research, accept the results, whatever they may be.

Other than Chile or EC, I wouldn't choose any other SA country, Been there, had nothing good to say about any of them.

As for dictators, who knows. When it all goes poof, it will be back to local economies sans those with China ties and then, not so much. EC is a self sufficient country. I don't care for Chile's VAT even though they are the most modern of the SA countries. I don't know if Modern will convert to a problem though. Just some thoughts.


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:32 | 2975321 xtop23
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Considering Chile. 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:19 | 2975014 samsara
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yes, those places are going to be fun for an english speaking anglo in a few years.

"Gringo,  you ain't from around here are ya?" 

(spoken in the same accent as 'we don't need no stinkin badges')

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:51 | 2975064 PLira
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Friend, you really should travel more. Your stereotype presented is typical of someone who has spent no time outside of CONUS. The word Gringo denotes a foreigner in the Latin slang and while we in the USA see it as a slur, it is not meant that way by the indigenous population, per sey. It would be the same thing as me saying to you, that guy is a "foreigner", "Canook", "Brit", etc. It's not generally negative. Obviously Americanized Latinos may use it as a disparaging term, indigenous peoples tend not to do so in general. It all depends on how you look at it.  So please, either educate yourself or close your piehole. You watch too much TV.

Mind your manners, keep your mouth shut, act accordingly and within the culture and you'll be welcomed just about anywhere not populated by fanatical muslims. Hell, I've been to numerous countries and never felt like I was an outcast due to being American. Sure they may talk about me behind my back but who cares, at least it's not because I act out like an oaf.


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:10 | 2975215 jeff montanye
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per se (it's latin; they don't speak it anywhere anymore)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:53 | 2975514 Urban Redneck
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Farang is actually a respectful term in the royal court of Thailand, angnostic when used as a synonym for foreigner on the street, and a slur when uttered in anger.

Tribalism and xenophobia are inversely correlated to economic prosperity EVERYWHERE.

The question the question is how far is the economy likely to fall, and how high is the tension over outsiders likely to rise in the place where one is looking to relocate?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 10:37 | 2975862 Estrella
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People routinely talk about bugging out to Central and South America when (if) the situation gets intolerable here. I visit those parts of the world routinely and I wonder if that really is a viable plan. Currently, in those areas, we are "protected" by our not being locals and our wallets full of dollars. If the US should stumble I fear that the atmosphere would change. Right now I can wander all over Ecuador and my skin color and citizenship as well as my wallet make it a comfortable and reasonably safe experience (Though I have been robbed coming out of a bar once or twice in Quito, and even I, a complete fool, am nervous in Guayaquile at night.) I know several people that now live in large casas and have quite the comfortable life.

But, if the dollar should fail, if the US should collapse in internal strife, I am not at all sure that US citizens, in foreign lands, would not immediately become easy game for the locals. Remember, when our economy collapses, the Ecuadorian economy collapse (they use the dollar) and people will be pissed and might take it out on the gringo. Costa Rica, Nicarugua, and other countries NOT using the dollar may not immediately be affected, but, those large ex-pat communities (Think Guadlajara in Mexico.) will suddenly be broke (as their bank accounts go to zero). A lot of desperate people.

And then there is weapons. In Costa Rica, if you work at it, you can get a weapon. But...

Speaking of risky areas... I grew up along the border of Arizona and have family there still. I worry greatly about them. The land I played in as a child is now criss crossed with smuggler tracks and filled with trash from those who travel at night on foot. I believe homes along the border in Arizona are at great risk as well.

No, even with weekly travels to those area, some Spanish skills, I still think I am better off here in my country, surrounded by my countrymen, when times of tummult come our way.

Fri, 11/23/2012 - 01:42 | 3005746 Jack Kreuz
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In addition, Ecuador has a massive state. It is about 50% of GDP. And in order to sustain such a size, its government has very steep taxes: VAT of 12%, 4% on the value of the vehicle every year, 5% tax on outgoing wire transfers or payments, 5% property tax every year, tariffs of 100% or more on imported goods with no local substitutes. These are some of the taxes that you will have to pay for just living there. If, in addition, you start your own business, you will have to pay a 1% annual tax on your assets even if your business has no income! As you can see, in just a few years, its massive state will devour all your savings. And if you take into account the excessive regulatory load, the fact that a significant proportion of the population have low integrity, and the crude realisation that their women are the ugliest in the world, I must urge people to stay away from that country. The people who speak marvels about it are either government employees, or ecuadorians living abroad who might as well be milking the state's cash cow. Instead, look for a country with a small government, honest people and pretty women.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:02 | 2974619 e-man
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Many years from today, small children will play a game of "Pin the tail on Bernanke."

Edit: I should preface by saying that I think Obama will end up wearing whatever financial disaster befalls us.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:17 | 2974674 unrulian
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BO won't matter...there will be only one place to wear the disaster and ultimately it will be the mirror. When people realize what has happened and that the signs were all around them but they did nothing they will look at their kids and say what have i done.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:53 | 2974774 GCT
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Agree 100% this is the theft of the innocents brought to you by us greecdy fucking sheeple.  Well I can at least have a clear conscience.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:00 | 2975097 Raymond K Hessel
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Fuck that.


If FDR is still being hailed as a god for resolving the Great Depression why would liberals all of sudden turn on Obama?  Whatever happens, it's Dubya's fault.  All the history books will say it was Dubya's fault and Obama saved us from disaster.


No one looked at themselves a hundred years ago.  A hundred years ago it was greedy bankers that needed regulating.  How the fuck is that any different than right now?  


This moment?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:38 | 2975254 Incubus
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money is good.  they have money. I want money. You want money.

Therefore, since they have what we want, we can either become aggressive, or submissive.

Which is the easier route?  Regulation is a fantasy in a world where profit speaks above all else.  This is the society we wanted, man.  You reap what you sow. And we're reaping, we're fucking reaping alright. 



Tue, 11/13/2012 - 04:38 | 2975420 Snidley Whipsnae
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Unrulian... You're a total optimist... People do not look in the mirror after a disaster that they could have averted and say that they are guilty!

Instead, they point fingers in every direction and at anyone but themselves.

Most likely they will be saying... 'If we had only printed twice as much funny money all would have gone smoothly and there would have been no train wreck.'

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:55 | 2974621 Lord Drek
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I never wasted my precious energy on Obama voters; it was the Conservatard "patriots" that really angered me. I laughed with relish when I heard that Obama won, as it was a harsh lesson to the lesser-of-two-evils crowd who ultimately put their sheepish trust in an empty suit.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:55 | 2974623 Dr. Engali
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After 30 years of voting almost strictly republican it was one of the hardest things I've done writing in Ron Paul's name... It was at the same time one of the most liberating things I've done. It felt like a final rejection of the system.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:01 | 2974630 francis_sawyer
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All my life... BOTH sides of the aisle seemed FOS to me... But it was only until 'recently' that I finally understood why... It's not about being ELMO... It's about whose hand is up your arse...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:12 | 2974660 machinegear
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The pen today, the sword tomorrow. I'll be by your side.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:26 | 2974703 Dapper Dan
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The three Boxes,


The ballot box

The soap box

The ammo box

in that order.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:36 | 2974909 forexskin
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don't forget the jury box, but i suppose we'll take it as read that its in the past now as well...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:25 | 2975011 samsara
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No,  it's a circle.  Jury box is after ammo box and before ballot box.  (Think nuremberg)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:56 | 2975517 Urban Redneck
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jury nullification is preferable to show trials

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:51 | 2974768 GCT
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LOL Doc I could not write in so I voted for all my state and local reps and voted down all the new taxes and voted for legalizing MJ.  The polsters was upset when  I was asked why I did not vote for  a R or a D.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:37 | 2974916 Vooter
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"It felt like a final rejection of the system."

You still voted--how was that a "rejection of the system"?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:54 | 2975183 Incubus
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30 years?  damn.  It took me about 15 years after pulling myself out of my mother's womb to realize the system was worth rejecting.


How complacent are you?  I'll see you in 15 years. 

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:56 | 2974624 booboo
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 Johnson was not even a bump in the road (3.5%) in his own state of New Mexico where he was their Governor and the fact that he believes in Magic Money Trees like the rest of the field.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 20:59 | 2974632 gibbs
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What a load of drivel!

You remind of the countless Monopoly money traders who pretend to be accomplished real money traders.  Why don't just admit you're a leftist instead of hiding behind the "I'm an Independent" game?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:17 | 2974860's picture

Go Team Red?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:08 | 2974646 nmewn
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"Unfortunately, it will get ten times worse in the coming years, and I strongly believe that 2013-2016 will be a historic period in the political transformation of the United States."

Well, we'll see.

But its my opinion (and has been for thirty years) that the growth of government (by virtue of a printing press) has enslaved so many people to the idea of "frrrrreeeee" shit it can't get back to equilibrium without complete collapse.

Its not what I wanted...but historically thats what happens. No politician can stop it, no political transformation can stop the "political transformation" would have to come from the people.

Who want mostly, by the way, nothing but...frrrreeeeeeeee shit!!!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:38 | 2974917 A Lunatic
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It won't be positive political transformation.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:38 | 2974920 forexskin
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you make sense so often - its a shame you're still not on board wrt WTC7...

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:29 | 2975033 nmewn
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Its cool.

But I need ironclad proof. You have to admit there's been a lot of dead end trails by otherwise reasonable people. Iron & aluminum oxide dust doesn't automatically mean nano-thermite. It could also mean plain ole rust & paint pigment from destroyed buildings.

I won't even bother with all the've been there and junked it ;-)

Again, if it could be proven (even after all the dead ends and ridiculous theories shot down by Chindit, me & others) that it is true...I and we, would be their worst enemy...because they killed our people.

You can't get around the phone calls and you need to look at the backside of WT7 before it was structurally impaired...thats a pretty big gash...just sayin.

One should never discount the fact that, what is presented as the smartest people in the universe to pull off such an attack, can't even balance a checkbook.


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:00 | 2975196 forexskin
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how about acknowledging that the official story has its own share of holes? hell, many members of the original 911 commission have stated publicly that their report is a very flawed document.

as for ironclad proof, that would be very hard to come by, since logically the likely suspects of an inside job have both the will and the means to prevent that. if the powerful tell a powerful lie, its still a lie.

i know, it goes on and on... but some mysteries ( just keep getting murkier. why?

peace back at ya. and btw, i'll seldom junk someone whose posts are thoughtful and invite open discussion. weren't me ;)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:07 | 2977875 nmewn
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I saw your post this morning before I had to take off for work and I did want to respond if you come back around...if not, there will be other times.

"how about acknowledging that the official story has its own share of holes?"

Oh absolutely.

The official story/report has many holes in it. Many of which (I believe) stem from bureaucratic backside covering. From intel, to defense to immigration, to state departments.

You should examine Gorelicks Wall more closely. I believe the idea does have merit...but only for American citizens...not aliens (illegal or not) or known jihadis here on expired student visa's. There were no APB's issued for them when they over stayed and stopped going to classes...nuthin.

But in the larger picture of the event, I can ever attribute to malice which can be explained by simple ineptitude & incompetence.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:57 | 2975094 hawk nation
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I think revenues to the government will go dramatically down in the next year causing increased inflation with my hopebeing the dollar collapses with the next year or so

I dont want the slow road of say 4 years for the collapse to occur since the misery that it creates will be horrible

Could a group of states decide to secede from the union and reimbrace the constitution? this is my hope since it appears to be the only acceptible option for me

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:41 | 2975335 xtop23
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You might find, "Nullification" by Tom Woods interesting reading.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 08:59 | 2975602 hawk nation
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Thank i will check it out

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:59 | 2976183 nofluer
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with my hopebeing the dollar collapses with the next year or so

I dont want the slow road of say 4 years for the collapse to occur since the misery that it creates will be horrible


Such impatience? Why the hurry? IIRC it took Rome about 300 years or so to get over their terminal inflation! Bread and Circuses are always in demand - and the people will not be denied. (Don't forget to bring the popcorn!)

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:11 | 2974657 Everybodys All ...
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Furthermore, there are many prominent progressive journalists and activists that held his feet to the fire throughout his first term and will continue to make the arguments in the second.  


Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:15 | 2974851 blunderdog
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Glenn Greenwald's pretty good.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:23 | 2975022 Tinky
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He is the best, and, of course, can only be employed outside of the U.S. as a result.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:12 | 2975217 Bananamerican
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Taibbi's good

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:31 | 2974662 hound dog vigilante
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MK's analysis here is very, very close to the mark.

Many on the Right have found a new/old cause (liberty) and bailed on the GOP and the system.  The Left may never wake-up, so they're the last party standing.

It will be interesting to see whether the next 3-4 years cause Obamabots and knee-jerk Libs to finally recognize the one-party (neo-con imperial) sham.  I think 35yr-old+ Libs are hopeless, but the under-35 demo will be free agents after 4 more years of food stamps, war, diminished liberties, and zero future.

The time is ripe for an internet-enabled Third-party... the establishment is so full of hubris (and technically retarded), they would never know what hit them until it was too late. Liberty Coup 2016.



Tue, 11/13/2012 - 12:14 | 2976240 nofluer
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an internet-enabled Third-party


Ain't nevah gonna happen. At the first sign of such the PTB will shut down the internet, no doubt claiming national security breech.

You apparently think that the knights around King Arthur's Table will scrunch their chairs together to make room for the scullery drudge.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 12:48 | 2976418 hound dog vigilante
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You haven't thought this through...

1) TPTB will never be 'ahead' of the techies/web/underground... never.  They are so far behind now that they couldn't shut down the entire internet even if they needed to. Parts of it, yes. All of it, never.

2) If TPTB attempted to shut down the internet, the end-game would accelerate... even the lumpen-consumers would be outraged and might shift from their sofas...

Either way, an internet-saavy Third-party movement would meet it's objectives, via political disruption or via economic/social disruption.

Don't be such a pessimist.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:43 | 2974687 obessoligarch
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seems like  America's five minutes in fame are about to end....the stage needs another guy in the  prime role.........

heeey you yellow guy!!! come up to the stage!!!..........thank you old sam,it was nice to work with you..(oligarchs)

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:24 | 2974690 Calmyourself
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Blah, blah, blah lesser evil bullshit.. Here is what the real French think of you and your stupid choice.

"TO THE VARIOUS BRANCHES OF LIBERTARIANISM, whether followers of the cranky Dr. Ron "The Bane of the Fed" or hipsters swapping commodity traders’ jokes on Zero Hedge as they wink-wink-nod-nod "wait for the Titanic to sink"

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:55 | 2974781 Totentänzerlied
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Paleoconservative old-guard reactionary blah blah blah what the fuck am I reading.

"The one man who will kill your Republic is the one man who will last give up and renounce it. Don’t you dare be that man."

HA hahahahaha! Afraid not.

As Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it" ... well, we couldn't.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:04 | 2974820 Calmyourself
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Neoliberal stalinist try thinking while you read it helps.. The premise is quite simple, we will get what we deserve some will deserve it more than others.  It's not hard.  Dance of death indeed..  Our inability to retain our republic is evident, the piper will be paid eventually.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:09 | 2974953 forexskin
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quote from the frog:

So hear this, Friends of Gary the Third Party and other Principled Abstentionists: by choosing ideological purity over strategic thinking, you’ve effectively hedged your own political future in the one competing force that is most capable of propelling you into irrelevance and oblivion—as we say in France: Bravo!

seriously? maybe consider our strategy was to simply push the throttle and stick forward instead of pretending to be french, aloof, and fashionably disengaged. strategy being, of course, to recognize that there is only one party, and its running toward a cliff, fiscal and otherwise, and handing them a cup of gatorade and a pat on the back might just get them to their inevitable Wile E. Coyote moment a bit sooner. ever heard of the cloward - piven strategy?

we loved our republic, but alas, in the clutches of the spider-in-the-shadows money trust, we will soon have our chance to water the tree of liberty again, just as Jefferson understood.

besides that - who the fuch cares what the french think?

go play with your sartre until something comes clear.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:19 | 2975495 StychoKiller
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I thought "bravo" was an Italian word.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:06 | 2974813 e.blair
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Half the blog is anti-Islam propaganda, and the blogger, if he is just one person, is either a shill or a born liar.  And he certainly does not qualify as "the real French"--even he, it seems, would admit that.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:13 | 2974843 Calmyourself
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Yeah, he fought them so propaganda or truth you tell us expert, obviously his views on Islam automatically invalidate all other views on politics, economics basically everything.  This place has become infested.

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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 12:24 | 2976301 nofluer
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What appears to be a self-description from the site:

"French by birth.
Pro-american by nature.

Yep, Rousseau was a dickweed."

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:16 | 2974855 GCT
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Good read thanks for the link +1.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:23 | 2974695 Oldwood
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Sure. A lot of us thought that Obama would provide the catalyst for a conservative resurgence but instead all we got was more governmental dependency. From his slogans we can assume phase 1 (hope and change) is complete and we are now entering phase 2 (Forward). Does this alarm anyone and do we really think this will end well?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:01 | 2974982 mvsjcl
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We need to go Backward--to 1776 to be precise.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:37 | 2974733 cranky-old-geezer
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While still only a bud barely breaking the surface of the soil, the Liberty Movement is alive and well and will only grow in the years ahead

America doesn't have years to wait for this so-called "liberty movement".   We might not even make it thru O's 2nd term.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:39 | 2974741 honestann
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The problem with this and many articles is:

The USSA is now a permanent predatory police-state.

Leave or be a slave.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:39 | 2974744 Cabreado
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"a new generation that sees the world very differently from their parents."

Are you talking about the younger generation that played an integral role in the election of Obama -- twice?

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:04 | 2974818 Totentänzerlied
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Yep, I'm still waiting for someone to show me these masses of youths who "see the world very differently from their parents."

All the Ron Paul supporters I know who are under 30, they're European. Go figure. In America, it's Generation O[bamessiah] far as the eye can see.

It's depressing that so many self-described members of the "Liberty movement" think this country's youth are on their side. Generation O knows only one way ... FORWARD (Soviet)!!!

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:43 | 2974752 DosZap
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Here's a link And another.   19 states thus far, Texas 1st in with 25k+,(last check 40k+and rising) a min of 25k, is needed b4 the POTUS MUST send a response.......................    
Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:31 | 2974899 cranky-old-geezer
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Asking permission to secede?

That's pretty funny :)

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 21:57 | 2974788 BetterThanBuffe...'s picture

I voted my conscience and not the lesser of two evils, too. It's a pity that the only way for things to get better is for them to get much worse, first.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:00 | 2974800 j-dub
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Since I voted for Johnson, I no longer need to sleep with both eyes open.
One will do just fine nowadays

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:35 | 2974908 hooligan2009
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there are just too many benefits, not sure what libertarianism has to do with the reality of needing other peoples money to carry on. apologies..i posted this on "the market just figured out two huge problems"

around half of all taxes collected go on welfare of one form or another, this from Forbes a while ago (pargaraph 4 of page 2)

here is a breakdown of taxes per quintile from last april 2012

we wont know the spending on welfare for 2012 for a while because not everyone has an i-phone yet (should make it pear-shaped i think).

if you add the bottom earners share of the total tax until you get to the 50% that is given back by way of benefits, from the ctj link, you can see that 90% of the population pay no net taxes at all.

those earning over 250,000 make up the other (just less than) half of taxes collected and (presumably) receive no benefits.

the choice is stark. make the "rich" become an awful lot poorer, or cut benefits to the bottom 90%. the degree that these benefits (100% removal, 75% removal, half or remove none) are removed is the "real choice" since this is where all discretionary spending of the governement is going.

this is what defines whether the usa continues to travel towards communism, or tries to give "self motivation" to get off their asses and stop thinking that they are owed all their tax money back.

the lowest voter turnout in decades is the result of this rather obvious fact. polticians go nowhere and no thing but hurt people in the short or long term, as do their agencies and zealous, "herdlike" supporters.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:36 | 2974910 Feef
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Weekend at Bernanke's.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:47 | 2974948 oldman
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How is it possible that with all the 'pain and suffering' I read about here regarding food stamps unemployment, police state corruption, war machine-----ad infinitum


were counted for other than the one party that ran?

After years of supposed pain and suffering what will it take to get more of the 119 million that voted for the single party in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012 to vote for anything other than what there is?

It says that we are dealing with a troll/zombie nation who loves wallowing in the excrement of tptb.

I have no faith at all that this people will ever change----self-destruction is what it enjoys and this illness WILL destroy.

There is not even the light of an oncoming train in this tunnel just black hopium    om           

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:51 | 2974960 A Lunatic
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Everyone here should be smart enough to have figured out by now that there will not be a political savior to rescue the Republic. Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, et al are as much a diversion from reality as DWTS. TPTB have never been so entrenched and in control over every aspect of our lives and livelihood. WE (you and I) are all that stands between the gates of tyranny and the final vestige of the Great American Experiment. It would be nice were someone else to lead us out of the morass we find ourselves in, but this isn't a bedtime story, it's a fucking nightmare and the wrong people are writing the script..........

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 22:58 | 2974971 northerngirl
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I thought everything was to fall a part this summer, and before that it was this spring, and before that...  Stories like this are no longer news.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:41 | 2975334 Angry White Dude
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US collapse will not come unless and until there exists a viable rival for the petrodollar. Good article at

Iraq was the example to Iran, et al. of how not to go about it, that is, unilaterally seeking to replace the USD with the EUR (or any other single currency) for the oil trade, which gets you smacked down. The petrodollar will be replaced by a basket of currencies, which will prevent focused retaliation by the US. What I spend my time trying to figure out is the timing. 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 08:33 | 2975574 THX 1178
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Rival for the petrodollar? Gold.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 12:48 | 2976420 nofluer
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Nope. Either IMF SDRs or a BRIC basket.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:05 | 2974992 tony bonn
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mike kreiger is a rare voice of sonorous beauty....anyone who has the perspicacity to shun a vote for obamney is a political prophet...

america's long slide into the shit filled toilet bowl began with fdr but accelerated rapidly with bush, i cannot tell the difference between the president and the shit - they both smell the same while america happily sloshes around in the excrement - oh that the christmas poo would bring us all a special present this year....

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:54 | 2975515 Being Free
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Not that it matters much, other than it's good to understand history, but FDR didn't "begin" it.  He merely consolidated federal power and added a few wrinkles.  The first coordinated attack on individual liberty by the federal government happened earlier.  Some point to TeddyR, Abe, or earlier but I think the real beginning of the end, in the sense that once these steps were taken there was no turning back, was Woodrow Wilson (2 term president 1913-1921).

In his first term as President Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congres to pass major progressive reforms. In his first term, Wilson successfully pushed a legislative agenda that few presidents have equaled, and remained unmatched up until the New Deal. This agenda included the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and an income tax

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 09:42 | 2975689 lakecity55
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Speaking of bandits of the public till, do not forget LBJ.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 12:57 | 2976469 nofluer
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The root of the current malaise is John Dewey - circa 1890s.

Mon, 11/12/2012 - 23:13 | 2975007 daxtonbrown
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This country does have a cancer. In fact we are in the midst of a civil war that is running sub rosa. The second civil war is being fought over debt slavery of the productive elements. And no I don't think G should be added to the productive side of GDP. The Federal Reserve is now the lawless tax collecting branch of a the welfare state (inflation/deflation is taxation).

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:35 | 2975157 Anusocracy
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We are in a 10,000 Year War between the hunter-gatherer culture and the settlement culture, with liberals being cultural descendants of hunter-gatherers and conservatives being cultural descendants of settlement people.

One culture based on foraging (taking) to survive and the other on producing (making) for survival.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:08 | 2975105 Die Weiße Rose
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If you think about it, this situation can only get worse,

and on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:08 | 2975120 ShakaZulu
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Anyone have a stocked deep underground bunker they care to share?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:46 | 2975173 Incubus
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If you have a vagina, sure.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:31 | 2978670 ShakaZulu
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I was hoping you did.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 00:46 | 2975174 Midas
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If you could, please list some of the "progressive journalists who held Obama's feet to the fire."

I will never critisize anyone for voting his conscience and I think G Johnson was a great choice.  I think you left out the best reason to vote for Romney.  When he would have set out to attack our freedoms there would have at least been some push back from the media.  B. Obama gets none.  NDAA, patriot act, drone strikes, stellar wind, and new wars and there is very little push back. 

I also think you have too much faith in the youth.  They are the future, but unfortunately in the future they won't be the youth.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:12 | 2975216 JR
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The country, following Tuesday’s election, suffered a massive shock to realize that a disaster like Barack Obama was endorsed by so many people.

Romney was a flawed candidate as is Gary Johnson. But what’s really disappointing is that you are proud to feel good on a day that saw the United States take one more giant  step away from liberty toward disaster.

And then brag about feeling good because you didn’t do anything……

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 01:40 | 2975248 John Law Lives
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"My major issues are:

The Federal Reserve scam and Wall Street theft.

Civil liberties and the destruction of the Constitution.

Our aggressive foreign policy and imperial wars abroad that help only the oligarchs and impoverish the masses.

On these three issues, Mitt Romney would have been as bad if not worse than Obama and that is why Mitt Romney lost."  -  Mike Krieger

I don't think so.  Obumble reportedly got 93% of the African-american vote, over 70% of the Latino vote, and 55% of the women vote.  I seriously doubt the constituencies that elected Obumble would have cited those 3 specific reasons for voting for Obumble.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:01 | 2975281 Schmuck Raker
Tue, 11/13/2012 - 02:02 | 2975283 Schmuck Raker
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Politics is the entertainment branch of the Military-Industrial Complex.


Snuff Ed

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 04:03 | 2975391 BlackholeDivestment
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...all right Kruger, or is it Eyegore? I'll bite. So you followed the money did yuh? The ''Devil'' you know, huh, really? Do tell, show me the money. Where did all the money come from, like for college etc... Hit me, who paid for the smoke? I mean don't ask the FBI for any files or anything, it may kill an Ambassador or something.

 J. Edgar Hoover’s desk, his personal papers and memorabilia at the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry headquarters, 1733 16th Street N.W

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 06:53 | 2975482 Dresses
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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:37 | 2975502 ManuelSDT
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Now that we are doomed to another 4 years of the fraud in chief I really wish this blog and others like it would more heavily cover the story of Obama's fraudulent documents.  Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen it here.  This is such an open and shut case and it's so obvious.  I implore you to hammer this story relentlessly until there is more mainstream awareness....   PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE cover this relentlessly!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 07:59 | 2975520 kralizec
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So, we're better off, somehow, with Obongo in office.  OK then, glad to see drug use has not declined, the undergorund economy is flourishing.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 08:11 | 2975524 Benjamin Glutton
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Hoisted from comments at Corrente, “There are poorhouses today. They’re called homeless shelters.”

They’re as punitive and pitiless as the old style ones.

In my late fifties, with no prospect of reemployment, I recently had my first experiences with two of these.

I’ve worked all my life and been my only support all my life. It was my preference to do this, rather than derive any part of my upkeep from the wages of the person I slept with. My “crime” was doing this while female. Since sex discrimination has become legal again, I was forced out of a profession that’s been redefined as historically male, and have not been hired for female entry level positions due to my age and “overqualified” background.

I did everything I could, including backpacking into legal sites in the state parks in the mountains here, to keep from going into a shelter, but in the end could not even afford the gas to drive the fifteen or so miles round trip to the park from where any prospect of work existed. (“Obamaville” tent villages are not possible the way Hoovervilles were – the times are so much more pitiless that almost every city has ordinances against such places, and where they’re allowed, they’re controlled to the point of being worse than the shelters. The infamous “tent in the woods” near any urban area is out of the question for a woman unless she attaches herself to a homeless male for protection).

The shelter itself was physically considered to be one of the best in the state. It administers most of the charitable and many of the government resources for five counties. It is new, the fixtures are more than adequate and the meals are very good. A major problem was precisely the punitive “poor house” attitude: the Calvinistic view the women who administered the shelter had towards those who needed its services (and those women’s freedom to spend their time this way depended on the high wages of the men -they- slept with). Residents must line up to take a breathalyser test in the common area when coming in in the late afternoon, everyone must be inside the shelter by 6:00 p.m., no one is allowed out after that time without written permission, and everyone is locked out of their rooms at 8:00 a.m. on weekdays and 9:00 a.m. on weekends. Women’s rooms had four permanent beds and lockers, but usually had two more folding beds crammed into the walkway at the foot of the beds. The men’s rooms were larger but had eight residents.

All the shelter’s maintenance, from cleaning to cooking (when that was not done by church or other charity groups) to grounds-keeping, was done by the residents through required “chores”. Every resident was required to “volunteer” for one or more such chores every day or be made to leave. I did not mind at all doing part of the upkeep, but did mind the indentured labor aspect of being made to do it. In addition, administering such requirements became part of the petty abuse the more vindictive of the regular staff considered one of the major perks of their job.

Residents were required to work on a “plan” towards permanent housing with one of the administrators. Such “plans” necessarily required a job. These women reproduced the sexism of the larger society: in addition to there being more beds for men than for women, living conditions were kept as much as possible from interfering with any man’s job who has one. Their “plans” for men were much more realistic as well, in that the men had more of a chance of finding work, even when they had, as the majority there did, a prison record. Their “plans” for women pretty much amounted to: you screwed up by not selecting a good enough (or any) husband, any job is better than no job at all, no matter how ill paid, discriminatory or demeaning, and your stay limit without a job is 30 days. Their ranking for women was below men in services, respect and resources and within that ranking, women with children came first and women without children were at the very bottom.

Uncontrolled aggression from other residents and uncontained illness were the primary factors that made living there not possible. There were decent, generous, responsible residents, but not unlike middle and high school, the lowest common denominator ruled. Due, again, to the sexist ranking of the administrators, I lost the job I had found after a great deal of effort on my part and no help at all on theirs. It was a suitably gender stereotyped job cleaning bathrooms from 5 pm until 2 to 4 am at the local university’s stadium after athletic events. Any man there who had a second or third shift job was allowed complete privacy to sleep during the day; the rule was emphasized in the obligatory “house meeting” held every evening. The administrators kept letting a woman with a baby into my dorm room for trivial reasons and allowed her to keep me awake to the point where I had less than five hours sleep in forty eight and could not work. Their justification was that women with children had priority for any reason, even though that was supposed to be only an adult women’s room. They had put a woman who had just had a miscarriage into the family room, where this woman should have gone, as “therapy” and because the other woman with children did not want to share the room with another child. They dismissed my need to sleep for my job as “just shared living” (always said with a smug little smirk by the administrator) and said I could leave if I had a problem with it. I was also attacked on other occasions by two women who were later expelled for being on illegal drugs; their initial unprovoked aggression towards me was dismissed, again with a smile, as “shared living”.

Women with dangerous mental problems were also put into the regular woman’s dorm. One had kept the other women in the room terrorized before I stayed there. She also kept them up all night because she alone was allowed to sleep there during the day (due to her mental illness!), while they had to be up and out on the streets or at their jobs, as one resident was, by eight. She had been committed before for cutting up residents’ clothes with a knife; she was recommitted again just after I got there.

The official policy towards aggression and threats among residents was zero tolerance. The actual policy was to let the rats eat the other rats and to shoot the ones that came running to the administrators. The administrators had their favorites, usually those that made the class divide most evident, and the less well off and less educated paid staff did as well, usually those most expert at currying favor and those with whom they identified. The atmosphere resembled a combination between what I imagine prison must be and the type of unskilled job where the boss just above entry level uses his or her position more for petty gratification than anything else.

The justification certainly resembled those types of jobs: “You can always leave if you don’ t like it”.

During the month I was there, I had maybe four days where I got a solid eight hours sleep. I was sleep deprived and hurting the days I could not make it up in my car. I was also, as the cold season hit in September, sick most days, as one or the other of the women in my room always had some virus and residents were almost never allowed, even when sick, to stay in bed during the day.

After a month, I went to a women’s only shelter in a larger city where I thought living conditions and job prospects would be better. I think I set the record for their shortest stay – less than twelve hours. The administrators, again educated professional level women, were great, but the regular and after hours staff were worse than the former shelter’s. Residents were required not only to be out of their rooms during the day, but to tell the desk attendant where they were going during every part of the day. They were required to sign in when they got back, and -this was the worst part- to take a urine drug test every day, or whenever the desk attendant, whose day job really was as a prison guard, felt like it. When she decided I needed to be tested at the end of my first day and insisted on remaining in the room where I was to do this, I refused and was told to leave. She and the other uneducated after-hours attendant took great pleasure in making me pack my clothes into the prototypical homeless black plastic bags, leaning against the wall watching me the whole time, telling me to get a move on and making the other residents jump, obey them and get a move on too with they tried to talk to me.

Every other shelter in this region (southeast) has the same demeaning requirements, and, I imagine, the same vindictive staff and the same pack behavior from the lowest common denominator among the residents. Even without money, without hope, without prospects, I have been physically better off living in my tiny car and camping where I can safely. I was well again two days after leaving the last shelter and have gotten a glorious eight hours sleep whenever I can be horizontal and warm enough.

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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 09:39 | 2975681 hooligan2009
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so.. whats the point? that middle aged unmarried women should sleep in their cars and get a p.o. box for their welfare checks? fully understand that government institutions foster abuse of power..look at the white house and the pentagon..seems to me that i could go along with...forget voluntary us treasury debt repayment donations and switch to forming a "womens bank" with large (othwerwise treasury debt repayers) donors as directors.

the woman who wrote this article is clearly articulate. is there really no job for her..anywhere?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 08:12 | 2975542 archon
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Democracy doesn't guarantee freedom, only give it a chance to survive.  The People still need to care about freedom, understand it, learn how it works, how you gain it, and lose it... otherwise, there is no system of government in the world that will keep them from tyranny.  It's easy to take something from someone who never knew they had it in the first place.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 08:47 | 2975585 FreeNewEnergy
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At the bottom of the fiscal cliff will be a great compost heap from which we can re-grow our democracy.


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 09:21 | 2975629 bigkahuna
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Yes, if you have not already put on your seatbelt - it is time to do so. As he said, the show is over.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 09:41 | 2975687 MFLTucson
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Another person capable of seeing the future.  Here we have another article telling us what Romney WOULD HAVE DONE without and certainty, just speculation.  Fuck you and fuck this libertarian party, it will not go anywhere in the next 20 years and by that time the game will be over.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 10:40 | 2975875 crzyhun
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In the eternal words of Ed Koch, 
" THe people have spoken. Now they must be punished."

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 15:52 | 2977157 archon
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Hahaha....  remninds me of this:


"Freedom: I may not agree with what you say, but I respect your right to be punished for it."

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 11:12 | 2975994 “Rebellion to t...
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Mr. Krieger, in his last two sentences, states: "The show is over. It’s time to buckle up."

I liken our current state of affairs to a commercial aircraft spiraling to the ground, nose first, with the flight attendant insisting I fasten my seatbelt. 

For what??????

Listen people:  We are reliving Bacchanalian Rome.  Let the drunken orgies commence.  The military, CIA, former President's (Dirty Billy), most likely every congressperson, members of our esteemed media, etc... are banging any one and every one they can lay their drunken, leacherous hands on!

You dumb bells are the last people in on this "pussy fest". 

So go out there, send some naughty emails, or some inapprpriate facebook photos; hook up in a bar on the other side of town, and get yourself some before the world comes to an end.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 17:29 | 2977598 dadichris
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I was glad to see that 1.1 million people don't have their head up their asses.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:32 | 2978515 flacorps
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Does Krieger not realize that if you deal with #1, then numbers 2 and 3 pretty much evaporate, since they're symptoms of #1?

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