In Rare Loss, Seth Klarman Dumps Nearly Half Hewlett Packard Holdings

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The first 13-Fs are rolling in and among them, that of iconic hedge fund Baupost and its legendary head Seth Klarman. Legendary because until now he was largely percevied as unable to lose on a trade. Ever. And then Hewlett Packard came: Klarman decided the stock was a value play just over a year ago, when he disclosed that as of September 30, 2011 he had accumulated an over 20 million share position when the HPQ price was over $20/share. The holding had gradually declined until Q1 2012, then hear nearly doubled down to a total of 27 million shares. Then the stock collapsed. And like not only a good investor, but trader, Klarman decided to book a loss and dump nearly half his HPQ position, holding just over 14 million shares as of September 30, a stake we are confident is likely zero by now. There goes the bull "alphaclone" case for the company that is not "off its lows."

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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:08 | 2977726 ghostfaceinvestah
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Can we please get an update from Manal Mehta on his long MBI/short BAC trade?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:14 | 2977739 TruthInSunshine
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Bill Hewlett & Dave Packard are rolling in their graves, watching Meg Whitman drive the final nail into the coffin of what was at one time the brilliant business they struggled to build, as their lives' mission.

Hewlett-Packard = Xerox

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:38 | 2977969 Larry Dallas
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With all due respect, I do believe Carly Fiorina was the one who bastardized the business with the Compaq purchase and other endeavors to dilute the franchise.

I'll never buy an HP anything. Their printers were not functional. Flatbeds with no feeder mechanism were available until way after others had them.

Inks that cost 3x the competition. Drums that burnout quickly. Awful product.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:42 | 2977977 blunderdog
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Come on, don't be mean to Carly. 

Everyone knows if your tech-stock price is sliding, the best thing in the world to do is fire all the overpaid smart-guys wasting money on R&D...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:19 | 2978095 Galactic Superwave
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As someone who worked there for more than 20 years and have even talked with Bill and Dave, Carly was absolutely the biggest reason for the beginning of HP's spiral downward. Most of the middle management and down knew she was a big windbag that had no inkling what a tech company needed to do to innovate quickly. But, the Board of Directors should also take a huge part of the blame. They have consistently picked crap CEO's since then and their own ranks stink with corruption.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:55 | 2978403 sumo
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In my electrical engineering and R&D days, HP was THE band to buy in test equipment, with Fluke and Tektronix close behind, but behind nevertheless.

There is a thriving market for used HP gear that is decades old. Check out Ebay. HP test engineers were world-class.

PCs are another story.

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 22:31 | 2998295 rajonmestra
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Well I have to admit that HP does sometimes not work when you really need it to work. It is so frustrating like what I read from: ink HP but there are advantages of having HP as a printer. Well it being cheap is really handy and also it is user friendly as well. I seem to stilll support HP printer products.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 03:37 | 2979019 wahrheit
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If it's of any interest, Meg Whitman was born and raised in Cold Spring Harbor, NY.  Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:13 | 2977740 Tyler Durden
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No need for others to chime in: get ready for a tender bidding war for the bonds, with MBIA shareholders, already crossholders (and likely with more than a blocking stake), competing with BAC on the highest tender price. Only problem is BAC management may have problems convincing its shareholders it is engaged in "pointless" auctions over a matter which it designated as immaterial in its latest earnings call.

Finally, as to the timing of an enforced settlement, a ruling may and will come well within the going concern period.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:31 | 2977946 Midas
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I'd make fun of Seth, but HPQ was my big loser of the year also.  I say Meg for governess just to get her out of the offices of HP.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:21 | 2978643 Schmuck Raker
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Can I get some help here?

"....within the going concern period."

What are the adults(Tylers) talking about, please?

What is the relation to the tender expiration? Is there one?

Are we talking about anytime before BK becomes necessary?

I'm so confuuused.


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:20 | 2977751 Dr. Engali
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Another giant company following Eastman Kodak to the trash heap of history. There should have been a few more banks and a couple car companies joining them..... In due time.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:19 | 2977756 Yen Cross
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 FUCK the CLOuD! Long live H/P and hard drives!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:20 | 2977907 rtalcott
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Long live Agilent (and the memory of Bill & Dave)...fuck what is now hp....


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:20 | 2977912 greensnacks
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Long live hard drives, but avoid HPs and Dells.



Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:20 | 2977760 Seasmoke
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Even his race horses have sucked lately.....

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:50 | 2977829 rodocostarica
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Looks like he came in at second place in $ winnings at the Saratoga meet. I would be happy to be in 50th place there myself.


Klarman = Klaravich stables

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:30 | 2977781 Omen IV
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he should take his free cash and double down on  JCP - same profile as HP - im sure ackerman would accommodate him

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:35 | 2977800 narmbs
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The thing about Klarman is we have no idea what else he held in his short, credit or derivative book. I agree he probably was playing this as a long only bet, but you never know looking at these 13-Fs if the trade was paired with something else.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:44 | 2977810 Yen Cross
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 He obviously, has/had some( proprietary) "calls or warrants" that reached the [exercise date]?

I'm guessing this paper was 3-5 years old, based on the cashout value.

 Am I wrong?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:38 | 2977807 TahoeBilly2012
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Is it my fault my home computer still runs Win XP? Best OP system EVER! Paid for too!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:44 | 2977818 Downtoolong
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Does this mean that eBay's early success was more about eBay and less about Meg Whitman being the undeniable queen of business acumen, like she was so often championed to be in the MSM?

A true champion can repeat their performance. She hasn't had a winner since, including her bid for the Governor's slot.



Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:46 | 2977822 Bangin7GramRocks
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So, it appears to be harder for these patriotic chums to produce returns after their network of arch-criminal insider info stooges has been disbanded. If it seems too good to be probably is!
We should cut their 15% tax rate to 10 or even 5 now that it is harder for them to "earn".

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:56 | 2977844 cxl9
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I guess HP should have just stuck to making LaserJet 4 printers until the bitter end, instead of the commodity Chinese junk they sell today. Oh yeah, and "services".

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:47 | 2977989 blunderdog
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I'd be thrilled if I could buy a 13 year-old 4050 today, as opposed to one of the current wireless touchscreen web-enabled color inkjet shitboxes.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:02 | 2977845 TWSceptic
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HP is dying because it stopped innovating, and this didn't help either:


Also their servers are too expensive, I got a Dell server for hosting my site instead for a fraction of the price and it has been running great for 4 years already without a single hardware issue. Try that with HP. My HP laser printer has been decent but it's not the best anymore either.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:08 | 2978265 QQQBall
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HP is dying because it stopped make great printers. Buying cartridges for the color laser is like a black hole.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:57 | 2977850 Bam_Man
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Klarman evidently noticed that this is a company that cannot turn a profit selling $25 ink cartridges that need to be replaced every two weeks. FAIL.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:05 | 2977868 piceridu
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The most expensive liquid on earth is in an ink jet cartridge...go figure...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:02 | 2977863 Hedgetard55
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Insider info dried up. Water reached it's natural level.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:01 | 2978035 bankonzhongguo
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HP profit is selling ink to idiot consumers at $64,000/gallon.

Nearly everything else is outsourced via someone else's patents.

The last 4 laptops across my family with an HP logo all failed within 18 months due to cheap solder on their graphics cards and horrific support and warranty "care."

Die Monster Die!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 03:35 | 2979017 SoCalBusted
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Sounds like they have improved quality.  Five years ago we had two fail just a few hours out of the box.  I knew then they were doomed and advised everyone that would ask to not buy HP computers.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:00 | 2978238 ebworthen
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That damn obnoxious as Hell commercial of theirs lately about "It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it" is enough reason to sell the stock.

Printers mean a paper record that can't be erased; why do you think the financial industry wants you to accept electronic statements?  "Poof!'s gone!".  Exactly. 

No future there for HP because the Millenial's and the A.O. (Always On) generation think it's just great.  Those poor youngsters will be like Jews on the train to Auschwitz before they realize how they are being screwed.

The P.C. is dead, the desktop is dead, HP has to go to all server/all terminal or give up the ghost now.

Same for Dell and Lenovo and Apple.  Yes, Apple.  Everything is going mobile and/or to the flat screen and the cloud.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 03:40 | 2979025 wahrheit
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They are trying; heavily investing in their enterprise security and Openstack cloud offerings indicate that they are not completely dead but it remains to be seen if they can ditch their h1b culture crippling and make shit happen.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:07 | 2978434 mogul rider
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They let women run the fucking company. The rest is history or will be.





Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:34 | 2978526 ThisIsBob
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Yahoo to that.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:21 | 2978484 Paracelsus
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I worked at Agilent overseas for two years around the time of the Dotcom crash. The company mandated a 10% salary cut for staff worldwide. So the staff go "Ok,I'll just work 10% fewer hours". Na,na,na goes management,that wasn't the way it should work.Yes, most staff hated the Compaq deal and Ms. Fiorina.Fact is,people love their company if it is well run,and the word gets around much like google,and all the other high tech names.Running a great company into the ground is very demoralizing to watch at the dept. level. Soon the smart cookies are leaving for greener pastures.This is called an exodus of talent and is a phenomenon not without long-term consequences . Also as with any company when the long-haul employees cash in their chips you will hear someone yell,"we got a fifty year old sig gen came in,where's old Bill at?"  


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 03:38 | 2979023 SoCalBusted
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"Bill" is in India now and doesn't know what the fuck you are talking about, but can connect you to Sales so you can buy a new signal generator.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 07:07 | 2979129 StychoKiller
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I have in my possession:

Hp-85A (computer/instrument controller) -- refurbished by LATech

Hp1631D Logic Analyzer

Hp3478A DVM (Digital Voltmeter)

Hp59401 GPIB Bus Analyzer

All of them are obsolete, yet in perfect working order.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:33 | 2978518 ThisIsBob
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Seth, I don't know you and you don't know me.  Meg.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:10 | 2979186 Mitch Comestein
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Next major resistence line is at around $10 set in 1994.  There is nothing stopping it from hitting that number. Timberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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