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Summing It All Up...

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Excerpted from "Ignorance by Consensus" posted by at FEASTA,

But, very briefly and acknowledging some contention, the conditions for concern might be summarized as follows.

 

We are trying to comprehend our world within the world-views and economic orthodoxies developed over an extra-ordinary, two-hundred year period of compound economic growth. This growth was coincident with increasing wealth, complexity and globalized integration. Part of our dominant consensus is that this trend will continue. Much of what is important to us, how we live, our expectations, what we value and hold dear, was shaped by this process. And we, the global 10%, have done well out of it.

 

The fringe view is that this growth is over – we are at the limits to growth, now. At issue is the stability of the globalized economy. We are moving into a deepening global deflationary depression, interspersed with dangerous and possibly irreversible shocks to the systems that support our basic welfare. We will lose much of what we take for granted and things we have come to call our own. We are entering an era of real danger and unpredictability.

 

This is because we are at an historic point of convergence. Firstly, we have reached the limit in the credit backing of our financial, monetary and banking system. We are at the same time hitting profoundly destabilizing ecological limits preeminent at this time is that we are almost certainly at the peak of global oil and food production. Put another way, we are at the limits of the system of trust and solvency that underpins the trade upon which we depend. We are at the limits of the least substitutable energy source that, by the laws of physics, is necessary for economic maintenance and growth. We are at the limits of our most fundamental human sustenance. They are the three most critical structural pillars of the globalized economy. Like a three-legged stool, the whole system can become destabilized by the buckling of just one.

 

In addition, and almost completely unacknowledged is that the changing nature of the globalized economy – increasing integration, complexity, speed and inter-dependence – has made us very much more vulnerable to this convergence. Further, such complexity makes it very difficult, or even dangerous to try and ‘fix’ its parts.

 

If we were to acknowledge such a fringe view we would be urgently preparing for profound change – for when real change is forced upon us we may have much less room for manoeuvre. We would be embracing austerity because of its inevitability, and in doing so, transform it. From top to bottom, we would be working on our food security, the resilience of critical services such as sanitation, monetary systems, governance, and re-working work. We would have begun the personal and collective psychological processes that might allow us avoid some of our species most destructive passions that can emerge in a time of crisis, and instead use it as a source of creative and positive change.

 

Of course, no detailed explanation for such a fringe view has been provided here. For most though, none is needed. They already know this view is nonsense. Why worry, it’s a fringe view… why with shale gas, technology, markets, stopping austerity, green growth, changing the monetary system, getting rid of the ‘wrong’ people….so many options! Anyway haven’t people been saying such stuff since the time of Malthus, and they’re still wrong! Aren’t the experts in control?! But an economist said…! Quite….quite.

 


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Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Calidreaming
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I didnt even finish reading it to know we are all fucked

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I discovered a way for you to say anything profound you want or content you present any which way you want, without any interference from the progressers, Neo-Cons, or the dead stream media. It's a get out of jail free card.

Prerequisite your post citing the name Alex Jones, and you will never be bashed in the MSM for the content, as his name is banned from being spoken out loud on TV.

Here's an example;
I heard Alex Jones say today (out of context), "Killing nappy haired black babies".  No one will be bashed by MSM TV for this.

This is a monumental discovery I made.  Use it prolifically to say whatever you want.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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You should have finished the article.  It's different this time.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Western
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fuck you rothschilds, the queen, luciferian cabalists, et al.

 

please help me if I've missed anyone

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:35 | Link to Comment LMAO
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Nah, I think you pretty much covered it with the "et al" addendum.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment flacon
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People change when the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of change. 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:16 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Turn it upside down, then sit on it.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Half_A_Billion_...
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David Korowicz is one of the smartest guys I've ever read.  His trade-off paper made me think really hard about leaving the city & getting it on in a Brazilian "hotel-farm", a place in which people escape from the city for a week.  If the Brazilian economy stays afloat, I'm fine.  If it goes the way of the dodo, I'd close the hotel part and live off of the land.

 

As I said, David Korowicz is one of the smartest guys I've ever read.  And I've read a lot.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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!!! For those of us who follow Chris Martenson at Peak Prosperity, the preceeding message was 4 years old.  We know it by heart.  We have already prepared and are waiting.

I invite you to follow Chris and his gang to fill in valuable details.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Step 1: Fire all the cops for NOT doing their jobs. The criminals are on a rampage stealing everything, and the cops are not even looking at them. The elite are stealing Trillions, yet the cops are looking at us instead. Fire them all.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 00:52 | Link to Comment captain_menace
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Hard to get an accurate reading on the pain-o-meter prior to the pain actually arriving.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Ragnar24
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Despite "et al": Fuck you Rockefellers, Council on Foreign Relations, and National Endowment for Democracy, JP Morgan (the man and the bank), and yes, fuck you George Soros.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 06:52 | Link to Comment 10mm
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Fuck you Woodrow Wilson and the rest of the cock suckers that fateful Christmas Eve.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:47 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Add Codex Alimentarius and Agenda 21, their sinister plans.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:58 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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And Santa Clause.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:01 | Link to Comment knukles
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As well as eminent domain, commerce clause and necessary and proper clause.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Well, he's not part of the solution, so he is part of the problem.  QED

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Don't forget drones and HFT.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment CPL
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I have drawn the shades, donned my tin foil hat and retiring to my fortress of tinned beans to grow a formidible neck beard.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:03 | Link to Comment knukles
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You can find articles about weaving wires into thick neck beards to act as antennae in order to help ground the toxic radio waves....

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:37 | Link to Comment CPL
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Well I do have time in between throwing shoes at CNN and my community work, handing out pamplets on the street with vague prognostications involving alphabits breakfast cereal... 

 

May I please subscribe to your newsletter for more information good sir?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Fuck the sentence, "This settlement should in no way, shape, or form be constituted as an admission of guilt........"

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:21 | Link to Comment lynnybee
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' please help me if I've missed anyone ',    you missed ROBERT RUBIN ! 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:24 | Link to Comment fuu
Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Alex Jones had Dr Steve Pieczenik on today spilling the beans about Benghazi. It was a great interview.

https://stevepieczenik.com/

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:03 | Link to Comment fuu
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Hail Eris.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:52 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Michaewiseguy - try to restate that one, I believe you had something to say but fumbled the ball and got knocked unconscious.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I Know. A bit Lazy today.

I discovered a way for you to say anything profound you want and present content any which way you are inclined, without any interference from the Progressers, Neo-Cons, or the dead stream media.  It's a get out of jail free card.

Prerequisite your incendiary thoughts if you perceive being attacked by the MSM, citing the name Alex Jones or invoke his name somewhere in the content, and you will never be bashed in the MSM for the information or opinion, as his name is banned from being spoken out loud on TV.

This is a monumental discovery.  Use it prolifically to say whatever you want. If you are challenged on TV for any perceived politically incorrect statement you make, invoke the name Alex Jones, and that will immediately shut up your challenger. It's like throwing holy water on a vampire.

Todd Akin could have used this defense and won.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment oldman
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"We are at the limits of the population of a single species whose system has malfunctioned, and which that species has refused to abandon"

No, it is not GW, CG, Artic ice melt, ethane release, an evil and misbehaing sun

just a single species that refuses to adapt

what will happen?

It has happened before             om 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Hmm.  We are a very adaptive species, able to live thousands of feet under water, or in space, on any continent.    The problem the malthusians and luddites actually bemoan is our adaptiveness, or the result of it, which is increasing wealth, increasing resource use, and increasing numbers of us.   Their projections rarely come true because they cannot, and to the degree markets are permitted to work on the problems, adaptation occurs quite nicely.  Central planning responses on the other hand do not solve the problems.  Such responses serve the central planners, the bureaucracies meant to solve them.  Show me what the Dept Education, or Energy, or the DEA have done other than feed themselves, for the problems they are meant to MAKE GO AWAY.   Their existence depends on the problem persisting.  Their growth depends on the growth of the problem.   Much like Freudian psychotherapists they have no intention of solving the problem.   Instead they set the client on a path of ever deepening metastization, insuring a revenue stream.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 00:00 | Link to Comment Enemy101
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That is what I'll do. When The *hit Hits The Fan, I will go live in space.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 01:10 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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I'm planning on giving freudian psychotherapy.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 06:06 | Link to Comment Burgundy
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Yup! I agree. We're so adaptable and ingenious that if our stupidity screws up the planet we can live in life-support suits. It's not as though living in a suit will impinge upon us expressing our natural mammalian behaviour or living like human beings. As long as we can make money everything will be just dandy. Malthus, pheff! Man was designed to consume genetically modified processed profitable pink slime (GMPPPS pronounced "soylant") delivered through a straw, everyone knows that. Bring on our ingenious adaptable future... I can't wait.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment czarangelus
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I didn't even need to start reading it to come to the same conclusion.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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"Growth" is overrated.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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"Growth" has got to be one of the biggest lies pushed unto the people. It just sounds so... positive... that it has to be good for us... right?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:43 | Link to Comment yabyum
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Ask a cluster of cancer cells.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:50 | Link to Comment SecondComing
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As a theoretician, I would point out that I am the cancer cell and the tumor.  The uncanny resemblance of my uncontrolled/uncontrollable growth in vivo and in society is no coincidence. 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:54 | Link to Comment JohnG
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No. Ask the host.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Mad Mad Woman
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Just like globalization. It's gonna be good for us, and all that other bullshit.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:25 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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IT IS ALL SELF INFLICTED. The elite want you to think there is no way out as justification for what they are about to do. 1. Renewable energy is a reality. It has already been invented but supressed. 2. With energy resources, Africa could easily harvest enough water to feed the planet let alone themselves but the IMF refuses to let it be so. 3. Our monetary issues are simple. Tell the Central Banking Cartel to get ______ !! States can take back the issuance of money and credit @ 0% and sustain their governments. All international settlement of trade can be settled in gold and silver. End.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Seer
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When will you energy-heads get it through your thick skulls that it's about MORE than energy.

Process/technology + Energy + Physical Resources.

If you fill the planet with wall-to-wall people there is NO way you're going to have the Physical Resources available.  Sure, you can have the other two inputs, but without Physical Resources it's a no-go: and, really, all three are necessary, period!

Of fucking course "renewable energy is a reality," look up into the noon sky.

Funny you should mention Africa, as that's where the US empire is sinking its tentacles (while people aren't looking).  AFRICOM wasn't kicked into high-gear for nothing; AND, this is why Qaddafi was killed (he was the only "leader" that had any real influence in the area).  Oh, and since this is an economics blog here's an investment tip: cobalt (people can look it up themselves- has to do with energy and, of course, DRC); platinum [South Africa- watch and see how heavy-handed the striking diamond miners are smacked, is the place to watch for this resource grab).

Silly rabbits!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:56 | Link to Comment DosZap
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CHINA, already OWNS AFRICA, and ANY & ALL its natural resources it so desires to plunder.

While we go FULL Socialist/Marxist, they are busily sucking up the means to survive another 1000yrs.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment Seer
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Where's China's military?

Sorry, but China is no match for US subversive tactics AND its military force.  China's a new player out there in a pretty hardcore global world.  Not thinking that it can hang on to the "ownership" end of things abroad, esp given that wars have a way of cancelling out contracts...

AFRICOM - it's a done deal. (as long as the US hasn't crashed)

FULL Socialist/Marxist, REALLY?  I suppose I have a different view of it; it matters not, all is unsustainable; AND, BAD systems FAIL, BIG = FAIL.  You are free, however, to turn blue in the face and stomp your feet and toss out all sorts of ideological rants to your heart's desire (I'm hoping that you didn't beat up the wife after the Blue Leader was put back on the throne.)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Mad Mad Woman
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Do NOT underestimate China. To do so would be detrimental to your health and well being. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Do NOT underestimate basic African dysfunction. Whoever tries to grab the resources has to work with Africans, and history shows that never works.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:09 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Nukes.  China has nukes.   And good delivery systems for their nukes.    Not going to have a war directly with china.   Proxy wars, yes, and we will lose those because the chinese are willing to do things we abhor doing, because of our...sorry folks, christian morality.  We are a democracy with a free press corps and 25% plus of the population against any war anywhere.     We go bogged down in 'nam, afghanistan, iraq, and elsewhere for failure to be able to do what must be done.   Col Kurtz explained this pretty well.   Today we have rules of engagement for our soldiers, JAGoffs looking at every goddamned thing, Cindy Sheehans and the rest of it, whiners and wusses and...   Sorry I was going Sam Kenison there, but you get the drill.  That's the way it is.   BTW you go to war with the electorate you have, not the one you might wish to have.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Enemy101
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Agreed. Until we figure out which civilization is going to rule the remnants of civilization we don't have much hope of saving anything from the upcoming financial armageddon (thanks U.S.). But China does have a 1 party and 1 direction, and 1 planning office way of doing things, which western un-civilizations don't. eg. Whats the U.S.'s 10 year trade strategy? it's 25 year agricultural policy goals?

nilch. clusterf**k.

I'm in no way pro-chinese, but those boys do have their act mostly together and should be rightly respected.. at this point they are trying hard to NOT own the US Treasury after all.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:27 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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Your energy views are outdated dude. Old. Crap. And non-truthful. Not because you have any ill intent, but because you are unaware that other forms of energy besides oil, solar, and wind are reality. Tip of iceberg...google magnet motor.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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you mean like REAL Hope and Change bestowed upon us?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:12 | Link to Comment semperfi
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more like rope & chains

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 07:32 | Link to Comment fockewulf190
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Stacking and Sopako.  Your only defence.

 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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In the end, we are all on our own.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:12 | Link to Comment CPL
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TTD;DR

 

Text too depressing; didn't read.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Pope Clement
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At Gully below - Criswell may still be in the money if one considers that the Emperor Otto III spirited 297 ghost years into our calandar. Seems that Otto wanted to be the ruler during the time of the Christian millemiun of 1,000 A.D. So the so called Dark Ages after the fall of Rome never existed but were required for the calandar to work. It may be that many concepts preceded by 'dark' are likely bullshit also. For example, consider the phantom 'Dark Matter' needed to make the Einsteinian gravitational equations to work. Anyway if we are actually in the year 1715 I'm not sure how this affects the Mayan 2012 stuff but Criswell has plenty of time if Otto was not taken into his calculations..hehheh  

 http://www.noeticscience.co.uk/the-phantom-time-hypothesis-300-years-never-happened/ 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:22 | Link to Comment Seer
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All calendar years are messed up.  It's what humans do best- distort math!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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The Amazing Criswell's Predictions

The End of the World

The end of the world, it is written in Criswell Predicts, will take place Wednesday, Aug. 18, 1999. That day, every point on earth will be covered by a black rainbow—not just any black rainbow, mind you, but "a jet-black rainbow; an ebony rainbow; a black rainbow which will signify the coming suffocation of our world. This black rainbow will seemingly bring about, through some mysterious force beyond our comprehension, a lack of oxygen. It will draw the oxygen from our atmosphere, as a huge snake encircling the world and feeding upon the oxygen which we need to exist. Hour after hour, it will grow worse. And we will grow weaker. It is through this that we will be so weakened that when the final end arrives, we will go silently, we will go gasping for breath, and then there will be only silence on the earth."

( Biden 2016, how the fuck did this happen)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:51 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...ok...time to pick Bidens 2016 running mate...I nominate Roseanne Barr ;-)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:54 | Link to Comment akak
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That's actually two.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment nmewn
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True, she does have a split personality.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment knukles
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Uh, that makes 4, guys.

 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment nmewn
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We have a quorum...we could fire the Senate!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:57 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Or the Martians could just nuke all of Congress....

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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and two seats on an airplane

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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By an 18 inch stool leg no less.

Better hope it was Tongue oiled first, without a  jagged break.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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Can't get too much more Freudian than that.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tung_oil

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Guilty as charged.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment DosZap
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I just wish 50% of my close friends that I BEGGED, and PLEADED with ten years ago, to prepare, and buy PM's food,survival gear, stock up on meds from Dr's if they had a non curable condition,weapons, and all that goes with it did.

I am sure they did not..............THIS IS ONE thing I most assuredly did not want to happen, but in my soul KNEW it was coming.

Sometimes you HATE being correct.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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I notice the friends who don't listen, are the ones that see themselves as winning the game, surviving and thriving in the jewworld order.  The ones who don't like the game so much, are the ones that listen. 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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I have to say....And I know this will get lots of thumbs down because it doesn't feed the dopmine rush that doomers get when they're in a feeding frenzy (because that is what this is really about)....how come people like this guy and Denninger and Tyler keep saying we're doomed, but shit never implodes? 5 years on....no implosions. At what point can we call "bullshit?" (Ya ya...I know all of the numbers and all of the data like they were my fungal toenails....but....same claims of implosion...and everyday I wake up and there's food in the fridge and money in the bank and gas in the tank....and I am a middle class dude.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Miramanee,

 For 47 M+ it has, and your answer is KICKING THE CAN.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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47 million plus still have food and shelter....look, I get it. I GET that it is bad...I get that the poor are screwed, and the middle class is next. But "screwed" is a relative term, and relative to billions living in poverty arund the world, the American experience during this ongoing cluster is not implosive...AND, if kicking the can is your answer, than stop saying we're imminently doomed...because clearly kicking the can works!!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Until it breaks your foot, it does.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Seer
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If there was a 100% certifiable time for all the shit to hit the fan do you really think that that time would hold?  Yeah, it's demonstrated that in 2018 (some random time) all hell will break loose.  ALL govts and "officials" support this proclamation.  Look around you, do you think people are going to sit there calmly?  2018 would commence almost immediately!

If you really want to know, it's ALL already happened.  The damage.  Most are just waiting for the announcement.

Over 4 billion people live on $3/day or less.  Yeah, you're just a "middle class dude."  You're one of the 1%-ers!  When your access to energy is cut to the levels closer to those of the rest of humans on this planet THEN you'll see what it's all about.

You can shove your head back in the sand now.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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@ seer,

people like you make my point for me. you think, in your rage and vitriol, that you are arguing against me. you're not. my primary argument has to do with neuroscience. people like you get a dopamine rush, a feel good feeling, everytime your excoriate anyone who perhaps dounts the whole gloom and doom prognosis for the world. doomers are like cultists. i should know - i WAS one. i was unemployed and divorced...nothing to hold onto. i found the blogosphere, and in an instant i had comrades whose words of anger and cheers for my own rage against the machine made me feel good. biochemistry, seer. you feel good when you rage with your brothers and sisters here on zerohedge. and....the most adroit and vociferous and convincing and articulate ragers make a good living at it as well. neuroscience dude. (and again, for the umptenneth time, i happen to AGREE that things are really bad, for billions of people...but that is NOT implosion...it is life on a fucked-up planet.)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 07:29 | Link to Comment IBelieveInMagic
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You have summed it well. MAD keeps all players in the game. There is no magical solution. This is just human condition. One can rage against it or it's unfairness but rest assured, there are whole lot more number of people whose conditions are worse than ours.

Regression to Gold backed system is to our (national) disadvantage -- the fiat reserve currency system has provided us means to consume way beyond our means. Doomers are not reconciling to this reality and will not like the outcome (civil war) if the current system were to fail. It's easy to rail against the system and the current leaders but if I were in their position, my efforts, in all probability, would be similar -- kick-the-can.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment bilejones
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment Diplodicus Rex
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You'd think with only one leg it would be cheaper than the three-legged version....

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 07:18 | Link to Comment samcontrol
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Peak food production? Wtf ?
Has this guy ever even been to South America?
Zh is 2 funny sometimes.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Freegolder
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..and enter stage right physical gold (bye bye paper) as the wealth reserve asset to set things back on the right track.

We just need time to see the changes, and an open mind (no anti-Eurozone prejudice please).

Trffin's dilemma will be solved, the world will finally become a fairer place for all.

Can't wait eh?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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"... the world will finally become a fairer place for all."

Nyet, tovarich!

"Life isn't fair" -- JFK

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:07 | Link to Comment youngman
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My older brother actually had to eat crow before he could ask me about gold....he has told me 100 times how stupid it was to own it...now he wants to know how to buy it..and own it....lol....I think the masses are turning..they see the bullshit ....and its not going away...each day..each week...each month gold and silver are getting looked at more and more...the real metal is moving....the paper metal is hard to tell how much there is....but one day we will know...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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youngman

I'm often reminded of Father Coughlins exhortations to buy Silver, something he had a vested interest in.

Where do you live Brother?

Utah accepts Gold and Silver as currency.

You could move there today and live the dream.

( Biden 2016, um yeah, we got nothin)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment knukles
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"You didn't elect me in 2016"
                      -Joe Biden

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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You want to know how I know we are fucked... Besides all the reasons listed and those we already know? They just threw out another sex scandal to keep us distracted while they try to figure out what the fuck to do next. It's a good thing they have that continuity of government thingy going for them.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Yep- funny how the General was the last to get the news that he's banging this chick.... 

Way to take one for the team, Gipper.....

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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It's funny how people can get all cought up in a sex scandal or a "wardrobe malfunction" , but they don't bat an eye when trillions are stolen right out from under their noses.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:00 | Link to Comment resurger
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+1

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:55 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Drag a dollar bill across a military base and you never know what you will find!

(Apologies to Carville)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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nmewn

What country would that base be in?

(Biden 2016, who farted?)


Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:15 | Link to Comment nmewn
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In this instance, its MacDill AFB...Tampa.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Lord Drek
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Cognitive dissonance

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Lord Drek
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Cognitive dissonance

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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Exactly right.  I was thinking the same thing earlier tonight - I think we're witnessing an example of how the most effective lies are often the biggest lies.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:33 | Link to Comment ForTheWorld
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There's an article in an Australian (no idea why) newspaper, and apparently there's a twin now.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/generals-backed-kelleys-sist...

Please take note of the absolutely horrendous photoshop job on the woman on the left (the twin).

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment Big Ben
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Bread and circuses, bro!

From middle class beginnings to four star general to head of the CIA to the front page of the National Enquirer. Is America a great country or what?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Seer
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One more step- airplane casualty.

He and Stephens couldn't be trusted with what they know/knew.  There's a TON of shit being covered up in Libya to hide the handy work of the neocons.  Remember this: the toppling of Qadaffi was ALL about rolling in to Africa to push out China for, what else (are wars about)? but a resource grab).

General Ham is also on the chopping block (yeah, pun-ish!).  He's head of AFRICOM.

AFRICOM started up in only 2007 (I doubt many here know of it).  Read more: http://www.africom.mil/AfricomFAQs.asp

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Dr. Engali

You mean if Obama dies in office you want Biden as POTUS?

(Biden 2016, want a cookie)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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Osama's next great plan was to kill the prez to put the vice prez Joe in charge in order to topple amerika.  No shit.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Henry Chinaski

Or, Obama is really a Muslim sleeper agent who will fake his own death. Thus putting into play an ingeniously devised plan of which the first piece was selecting Biden as a running mate.

( Biden 2016, don't call my ass at 3 am I need my rest)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Seer
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Well, it looks like Elmo's out...

Have to admit, Biden's kind of a likeable puppet, in a Gerald Ford sort of way...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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It's rule by least-common denominator. No one gets to the top levels of this government unless there is a skeleton in the closet that can bring them down.  Makes people tow the line.  Sounds like these Generals were selected for their positions based on their corruptibility.  Next up: more top level "suicides." 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:02 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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For conspiracy connoisseurs re Petraeus etc. ... from a wild Irish site, always claiming sources in Russian intelligence ... fun reading to be handled with caution ...

« Obama Prepares To Flee As Coup Topples Another General ...

President Barack Obama is preparing to leave the United States for a clandestine meeting on Diego Garcia this coming week with those top military commanders still loyal to him in an effort his regime is making to head off a growing coup-plot ...

... list of top American military officers to be toppled in the past 3 weeks, and which includes, Former US Army General and CIA Director David Petraeus, Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak ... »

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1628.htm

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment knukles
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Yep.

That's the betting of the smart money.

Seven Days in May

Way too many top Admirals and Generals being relieved of command, in one case being so discharged by immediate subordinate (aka arrest) two more embroiled in "sex scandals" which were being investigated by the Feebies (their job is internal security/police, treason, etc.)

Come on people, simple pattern recognition, here.

Question is will there be show trials or not?
Can make a cogent case either way.

Remember, to defend against all enemies, foreign and....

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment nmewn
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If it continues, yes, the purge is on.

I'm sticking with my original assessment on Petraeus. He was leaking the info on Benghazi after initially saying it was a video. Then he actually went to Benghazi...himself, to confirm what he was being told by his subordinates, in late October. And as we all know, the FBI (the investigator/slash scandalous leaker...lol) is under the DOJ, which is run by...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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They aren't the only ones talking about that.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:57 | Link to Comment Seer
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Pretty good bet that if you peek under that skirt you'll see a bunch of MOSSAD.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/11/a-covert-affair-petraeus-c...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Hayabusa
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I read it and realized two things:  1)The author's glass is not 1/2 full, but all the way full.  2)Calidreaming is right.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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the author's glass is running on empty like his head

another peak hysteric a baseless emotion reached having nothing between the ears to provide solidity

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Seer
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It's all based on sound math.  And of all people, YOU should know about math given your Zero-ness: multiply anything by zero and you get zero, ain't that right, Zero?

Ever notice that you're overwhelmingly knocked down whenever you pipe up with this shit?  Stick to rooting for Zero government, as that seem the only area that you have any firm grasp of...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Wouldn't our present situation be more like a stool turned upside down and a guy with a whip standing beside it with his arms out, gesturing for us to find a leg to sit on?  (and us running around frantically going lalalalalaal noononononono)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:22 | Link to Comment Fredo Corleone
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What you describe suggests the image of a Maplethorpe "opus."

A propos, for the current nation, its moral condition, and time.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Clearly a Marxist stool.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Opinionated Ass
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We are moving into a deepening global deflationary depression

We're moving there now? Really? Yippee!! Finally we can pick up some good deflated bargains and correct all the malinvestment of the inflationary boom stupidity!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:37 | Link to Comment THX 1178
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Can we pick up a Mars Bar and a Coca-Cola too?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Lost Wages
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Now the market is a three-legged stool. Will there ever be any shortage of metaphors?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:15 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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It's more of a stool sample.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:06 | Link to Comment ilovefreedom
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That's a crappy metaphor.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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Imagine if the legs were not well attached.  Then it would be a loose stool.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Cheesy Bastard

Stool Pidgeon, work with that image.

(Biden 2016, humina, humina, humina)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:23 | Link to Comment knukles
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If one watches to see as opposed to simply looks, Plugs is being groomed for 2016.... It's obvious.  He always walks behind and usually to the right of Obie.
Think pa gentry, of Kings and Queens....

It's not an accident.

Pattern recognition.

Just like the Mayor of the City of London (the 1 sq mile London) during the annual parade, the Queen walks behind and to his right....
There's a reason..........

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment akak
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Wow, that one really boweled me right over!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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When the stool hits the fan.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Seer
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And... if it were liquidated it'd be a Runny Stool!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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good thing you didn't make that.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Seer
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Good thing that there's nothing original in what you're saying (saves brain power0!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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A one legged man in an ass kicking contest?

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 You old salt! That was thought of many posts ago!

  We saved it just for you. Arrrhh/

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Bay of Pigs

Paul McCartney got his ass kicked by a one legged chick.

(Biden 2016 rock on)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Or graduate of the school of  one legged limbo dancers.

With student loans of course.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:05 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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I'm still searching for green shoots, and now "fiscal cliff" is taking over.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:27 | Link to Comment knukles
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Can't have everything...

 

(And remember, FEMA closes on all national and state holidays, snow and rain days as well as when absolutely needed.  Please check ahead for our schedules.  By appointment only.  You will need 7 forms of acceptable photo ID for assistance.  Don't call us, we'll decide when to call you.)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:13 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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We've only hit peak food production compared to world population because there's a lot fewer involved in agri-business.

Should've written "Peak Laziness" in society

There's probably alot of college graduates complaining about too few jobs available, but how many of them would have the power to do any labor that didn't involve screwing around on their iPhones all day long and getting paid for it?

Society "peaked" before the planets resources.....it's inhabitants are just too cowardly to admit it

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:39 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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The harnessing of inanimate energy made human beings doing any physical work relatively stupid, because it was too inefficient.  The problem is that we are nowhere nearly intelligent enough, only barely enough to have gotten ourselves into serious trouble. "Laziness" always only operates within some schedule of reinforcement for one's activities. We have had multifaceted "peaks" in every direction. Small percentages of the population have made sciences and technologies possible that have rendered almost everyone else obsolete and unnecessary. Those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, have taken control over the uses of those scientific and technological breakthroughs, so that we have developed a global electronic fiat money fraud, backed by atomic bombs. All of what made those REALITIES possible leave ordinary human beings behind, way, way, way, behind by orders of magnitude.

The "peak laziness" is the flip side of the peak achievement of the best organized gangs of criminals working well, to take control of governments, in order to make the power of government serve that smaller and smaller elite. In the process, the majority of human beings have been made dumber, so that they would vote for puppet politicians, whose "abilities" were to become stupid and incompetent, because they were puppets. The awesome advances in science and technology have been channelled into producing a political puppet show, that features fantastic special effects, while telling the same old stupid social stories.

There are plenty of creative alternatives, and a vast domain for qualitative growth. However, the keystone to that system of alternatives must be a better death control system. Right now, that is actually operated covertly, through the best organized gangs of criminals, controlling governments, as the puppet masters, behind the public puppet shows. Human beings could theoretically become better citizens, and should do so. However, instead, the peak achievement of lies, backed by violence, done by an elite, is driving the rest of the population into a condition of "peak laziness."

The ONLY way we could cope with orders of magnitude better science and technology is with matching orders of magntide better political science, with respect to making the decisions about who to kill and how to kill them. Right now, the vast majority of the peope are operating with "peak laziness" towards their responsibilities as citizens to do that, and so, instead, they have become the targets of those systems, which are actively directed by a tiny elite, assisted by all the awesome advancements in science and technology.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:11 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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"... the keystone to that system of alternatives must be a better death control system."

Someone was highly and widely ridiculed for the concept of "Death Panels."

Are you related to Rahm Emanuel?

- Ned

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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As I said in another post above, I advance what may be called the FRINGED CUBED attitude, which may well be headed towards being Fringe to the Fourth Power these days! Ever since I was a teenager, several decades ago, and first realized that the world was based on exponential growth, backed up by weapons of mass destruction, I have been attempting to figure out theoretical solutions to those combined money/murder system problems. I have been lucky enough to be able to indulge in almost non-stop education and political experiments, to feed my obsession with attempting to resolve that problem of exponential growth, that has taken the form of runaway global eletronic fiat money frauds, backed by an abundance of atomic weapons, et alia!

Of course, I am only most distantly related to Rahm Emanuel.  I come from a long line of black sheep, after black sheep, with repeated incarnations of revolution and resistance in my background. I do NOT think it is possible to stop the runaway fascist plutocracy. I think it is only possible to perhaps push it past where it would have otherwise stopped. Most of my stuff is based on one profound paradigm shift after another, so much so that most of the way I use language ends up meaning mostly the opposite of what other people now understand that language to mean.

For instance, most of what people call "birth control" I regard as actually being forms of "death control." Therefore, most of what other people call "family planning" I put in the context of new age warfare kinds of murder. That is, I regard what most people call "birth control" as possibly the most efficient form of death control. My general language is to say that true birth control is to say "yes" to the development of a potential, while real death control is to say "no" to some development of potential. Thus, almost everything we call "birth control" is much more a manifestation of death control instead. It follows that, as another of the many, many aspects of understanding that we live in a Bizarro Mirror World, where almost everything is backwards, and therefore, almost every good solution is to do the opposite to what we are doing now, the main loci of death control should be transferred from men to women. Women should take much more responsibility for the human ecology than men. Of course, that would require blowing away the patriarchy, which has risen triumphant for the last 25,000 years or so!

Meanwhile, what has actually happened is covert privatization of the death controls, through organized crime forming a shadow government, taking over secret control of the public government. Thus, the REAL death controls have been more than 99% privatized. That is, the ability to make money out of nothing, and to use that power to decide what gets funded, and what does not, is the MAIN source of decisions about what lives or dies.

A lot of what I do is simply change the paradigms of perception, to see the social facts in a new light. I talk about what is already obviously happening, but not perceived by the majority of people. I tend definitely be a "new world order" kind of guy, just not one that works for the current ruling elite. I have the delightfully vain attitude of identifying myself with a new ruling elite, which does not actually exist at the present time!

So, NO, I am not related to the current ruling elites, or their figureheads. However, I do try to imagine replacing them, and substituting what they do with new methods that will accomplish those purposes in better ways. I am a kind of military strategist, for new age warfare, which is an attempt to figure out how human beings could ever adapt to survive becoming billions, trillions and quadrillions of times more powerful. That has practically nothing to do with most of postmodernizing militarism, as it is understood and practiced. But nevertheless, my favourite old-fashioned religion is Mithrasism, centered on the god Mithras, that became popular among the military in the Roman Empire. After all, militarism was, is, and always will be the most important ideology! Warfare was always the oldest and best developed of social sciences. Warfare was the beginning of the "death panels."  That medicine is actually inside of medicine, the same as the money system is actually inside of militarism, is what we need to face, so that our business models for medicine could make more sense.

Right now, the realistic chances of that appear to be practically zero, and I tend to be 100% objectively depressed about the foreseeable future. However, I would definitely be in favour of democratizing the death controls, and "death panels" would be on my list of things to see happen. BUT, most of what I mean by that would be the opposite of what most other people would presume that means!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Radical Marijuana

"The problem is that we are nowhere nearly intelligent enough, only barely enough to have gotten ourselves into serious trouble."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

 

The Problem

The human population is now 3,000,000 highbred elite and 5,000,000,000 morons. The "average" IQ is 45. (Presumably compared to the true present day, as in the real world, an IQ score of 100 is both average, or median, by definition.) Several generations before the onset in the story, the small number of remaining 100-and-higher-IQ technocrats, after being ignored by the general public about the impending population problem, banded together to preserve the human race. The elite work feverishly like slaves in order to keep the morons alive.

The elite have had little success in solving The Problem (also called "Poprob" in the story) for several reasons:

  • The morons must be managed or else there will be chaos, resulting in billions of deaths;
  • It is not possible to sterilize all of the morons, as there are not nearly enough elite to do the job;
  • Propaganda against large families isn't working because every biological drive is towards fertility

The elite had tried everything rational to solve the population problem, but the problem could not be solved rationally. The solution required a way of thinking that no longer existed—Barlow's "vicious self-interest" and knowledge of the distant history.

The solution

Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass migration into (and subsequent drowning in) the sea: convince the morons to travel to Venus in spaceships that will kill their passengers once they fly out of view of land (possibly, the story implies, because they are built by morons, though obtaining consistent destruction in the proper flight phase might be beyond their competence). (The story predates the Moon landing, and the safety of future space travel is summed up in a description of a rocket that crashed on the moon.) Propaganda depicts Venus as a tropical paradise, with "blanket trees," "ham bushes," and "soap roots." In a nationalistic frenzy, every country tries to send as many of their people to Venus as possible to stake their claim.

Barlow's help includes using his knowledge of Nazi propaganda tactics. Fake postcards are sent from the supposedly happy new residents of Venus to relatives left behind, describing the wonderful, easy life — in the same way as fraudulent postcards were sent to relatives of those imprisoned in the Nazi work-camps.

(Biden 2016, ever eat SPAM?)

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, I believe I read that when I was a teenager. I have read thousands of science fiction books, of course all the classics. There are so many great authors now that it is no longer possible to keep up!

Most science fiction books take one idea and pound on that, to get all they can out of it. Some sprinkle many more creative ideas on top of their one central idea. However, the biggest difference between reality and science fiction is that reality is more awesomely able to pile up more things on top of each other, in more complicated interference patterns than any one author ever could!

The bi-modal distribution of intelligence has been a growing phenomenon for quite a while now, due to what others in this thread have apparently been referring to as "forced altruism." In general, I regard the way that impossible ideals make the opposite happen in the real world as one of our most serious problems. Of course, that kind of biggest bullies' bullshit works for them, to accomplish what they want to accomplish!  Those who know that impossible ideals must necessary cause the opposite to happen in the real world can covertly work towards their goals by advancing impossible ideals, which a few of those advancing them know will backfire like that. Meanwhile, most of the other people advancing those impossible ideals appear to be the kinds of useful idiots that believe in the bullshit, without understanding the paradoxical ways that things actually work through their manifestations in the real world, where everything piles up on top of everything else, to produce some hyper-complicated and bizarre results that would not be intelligible and entertaining enough to work as science fiction literature.

One of my favourite sayings is that "natural selection commensurates the incommensurables!" ... I just do not actually know what that means!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment AGuy
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"We've only hit peak food production compared to world population because there's a lot fewer involved in agri-business."

Not Correct in the least:

1. Rapidly depleting Aquifers around the world (less ground water for irrigation)

2. Higher demand of Water for non-Agra development (ie significant increase of water demand for population centers)

3. Loss of fertial land to suburbian develop (where there were once farms, there are now large shopping malls and fast food restaurants)

4. Depletion of Phosphate mines (Worlds running out of phosphate to make fertializer) Remaining mines to be depleted between 2030 and 2050

5. Rising energy prices (terminal production decline of cheap oil - only dirty non-conventional and deep offshore oil remains that is expense). Farming is perhaps the most energy intensive industry from the production of Agra petro-chemicals (fertializer, pesticides, herbacides), irrigation (pumping), transport, field tilling, and harvesting. Higher prices make the cost of food production rise.

While labor is a long term issue, it hasn't been in the past. Fewer people were needed in farming because of mechanization and automation. One farmer can plant and harvest thousands of acres using machinary. No need for a thousand laborers to do the same job.

 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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And even after all those great reasons we still plant corn to make ethanol. Talk about using more energy to get a gallon of ethanol. We should be using that corn for food not fuel.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:33 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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Less small, family farming operations

Less families using available land (including within city limits) to grow their own gardens.

Humans (western civilizations mostly) are becoming inefficient....due to laziness

They will complain about high fuel prices and empty bellies....before they take the initiative to address their depleting waistlines and thinning wallets.

The Earth is not overpopulated with humans wasting resources. It's overpopulated with humans wasting their time and energy...and available land.

Should inflation sort this all out....the victory gardens will return....and diggin' in the dirt will get more popular.

At least I hope it will

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 21:18 | Link to Comment DosZap
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We've only hit peak food production compared to world population because there's a lot fewer involved in agri-business

 

 

I disagree, why?, because the Big 3, have stolen, bought, legislated the small to medium farmers out of business thru bankruptcy, or buy outs. Mostly by  bankruptcies,their land has been stolen, and the R&R's from the Dept of Ag, and the EPA have stolen it from generations of Americas farmers.

Just look at So Cal, over a DAMNED minnow, they have KILLED one of the most productive farm belts for veggies and fruits we ever had.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'm hoping that you're less ignorant than you appear...

The MAJORITY of the world's humans ARE engaged in agriculture.  If you're talking US-centric then you have to realize that all the BIG Ag folks have made it nearly impossible for humans to work- hard to do when you scale such that only BIG machines can be used, when land costs are too high for many to be able to afford Ag land, when SMALL just cannot afford to hire.

Yeah, people appear to be lazy.  I blame BIG on it.  It's been the goal anyway.  And for the US and Ag it was Earl Butz (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1577604/Earl-Butz.html) who pushed/spawned the "Get big or get out" policy.

How meaningful is it to obtain "employment" if that "employment" doesn't provide any meaningful wages?  People's problems lie more with their inability to understand expenses than it does with their "laziness."

I have plenty of work for others to do.  Problem is that I can't afford to really pay anything.  Should the "lazy" just work for me anyway?

"Society "peaked" before the planets resources.....it's inhabitants are just too cowardly to admit it"

WTF does That mean?  Which "society?"

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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You fool

Maybe you should go and read David's article

Then maybe you would gain a better perspective

 

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:15 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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yep, they are in control and running on ritalin, cocaine, adderall, vallure vodka and an occassional joint. All is well.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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sounds pretty good, what's the clubs/party address i'll check it out

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Craigs list: / topic;  Looking for one legged men, to hold up (1) legged bar stools. 

  That is what is going on right now folks! That is what your labor yields folks!

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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If we were to acknowledge such a fringe view we would be urgently preparing for profound change

I refer to my system of thought as a Fringe Cubed method, the fringe of the fringe of the fringe ...

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:20 | Link to Comment yogibear
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 We have reached peak BS from the IMF and Fed. QE has become ineffective. Next is the realization that it's all F'd up and the Fed enabled it.

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