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China Gold Reserves “Too Small” - Ensure “National Economic and Financial Safety”

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China Gold Reserves “Too Small” - Ensure “National Economic and Financial Safety”

Today’s AM fix was USD 1,724.50, EUR 1,353.08, and GBP 1,085.21 per ounce. 
Yesterday’s AM fix was USD 1,724.75, EUR 1,360.86, and GBP 1,091.39 per ounce.

Silver is trading at $32.47/oz, €25.60/oz and £20.54/oz. Platinum is trading at $1,585.00/oz, palladium at $637.00/oz and rhodium at $1,150/oz.

Gold is marginally lower in all fiat currencies today except for Japanese yen which has fallen nearly 1% against gold and is close to reaching record nominal highs in yen terms (see table and chart).

Gold edged down $3.40 or 0.20% in New York yesterday and closed at $1,724.50. Silver saw odd aggressive selling which saw the price fall sharply to $32.128 prior to an equally sharp price recovery as buyers took on the sellers leading to silver finishing the day with a gain of 0.12%.

Gold Prices/Fixes/Rates/Vols – (Bloomberg)

Gold inched up on Wednesday as the euro recovered against the U.S. dollar, and platinum ramped up its highest gain in the past three weeks on real concerns that supply will not meet the demand due to output issues because of the striking mine workers this year.

President Obama will hold his first solo news conference since November today and is expected to take questions from reporters at 13:15 EST.  Comments about the “fiscal cliff” may have a short term effect on gold bullion.

China needs to add to its gold reserves to ensure national economic and financial safety, promote yuan globalization and as a hedge against foreign- reserve risks, Gao Wei, an official from the Department of International Economic Affairs of Ministry of Foreign Affairs, writes in a commentary in the China Securities Journal today which was reported on by Bloomberg.

China’s gold reserve is “too small”, Gao said and while gold prices are currently near record highs, China can build its reserves by buying low and selling high amid the short-term volatility, Gao wrote.

The People’s Bank of China is accumulating significant volumes of gold under the radar of many less informed market participants which is bullish.

The Chinese government is secretive about its gold diversification and buying and does not disclose gold purchases to the IMF.

Therefore, there has been no official update to their holdings since the barely reported upon announcement four years ago that Chinese gold reserves had risen from just over 500 tonnes to over 1,000 tonnes.

In 2009, State Council advisor, Ji said that a team of experts from Shanghai and Beijing had set up a task force to consider expanding China’s gold reserves. Ji was quoted as saying "we suggested that China's gold reserves should reach 6,000 tons in the next 3-5 years and perhaps 10,000 tons in 8-10 years”.

China is likely to have been quietly accumulating another 1,000 or 2,000 tonnes in recent years and astute market participants realise that the announcement by China of a dramatic increase in gold reserves could lead to sharp price gains.

The very low level of the People's Bank of China's gold reserves vis-à-vis their massive foreign exchange exposure and compared to western counterparts gold reserves will continue to be a source of significant gold demand in the coming months which will support gold and may contribute to higher prices in 2013.

XAU/JPY Currency – (Bloomberg)

Today the US Producer Price Index results are at 1330 GMT.

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(Bloomberg) -- Barclays Still Favors Overweight Precious Metals, Agriculture
Barclays Plc is keeping its recommended investment weightings in precious metals and agriculture.

The bank’s largest overweight’s are in gold, corn and wheat, and the biggest underweight’s are for aluminum, U.S. natural gas, zinc, nickel and crude, it said in its monthly “research rankings” report e-mailed today.

Cross Currency Table – (Bloomberg)


Gold to Gain to $2000 on Money Printing, Deutsche Bank Says - Bloomberg

LBMA Meet Forecasts Gold At $1,843/oz By Next Sept – Poll - Reuters

Platinum shortfall largest in decade – The Financial Times

Gold ends lower as platinum, palladium rally – Market Watch

Palladium, platinum rally after report, gold flat - Reuters


Gold Industry Cautiously Optimistic About 2013 – The Financial Times

CFTC's Chilton Repeats Belief In Silver Market Manipulation – You Tube

Some Gold Investors Want Their Own Fort Knox – The NY Times

China Says It Must Add To Gold Reserves To Promote Yuan Globalization And As An FX Hedge – Zero Hedge


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Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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You can really never have enough gold. But China is buying hand over's almost like they know something.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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Yup.  My gold reserves are too small, too.


"DAHling, you can never be too rich, too thin, or too well armed."



Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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That's not what your wife claims is "too small".

But hey, we all have our priorities.

(Biden 2016, Black is Black, I want my baby back)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Dalago
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Size does matter...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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Someone get Gordon Brown, stat!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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The Central Bank of DoChenRollingBearing announces that it too will be adding to its gold reserves soon.  What do we know, and when did we know it, bitchez.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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They know they need to purchase as many rescources as fast as possible before the US and Europe fuck shit up for them.

They want to be the Big Bad in their sphere of influence and are succeeding quite well.

China and Russia are the only stumbling blocks on the way to One World Government. They reckon, correctly, they are just as good at being in charge as the Northern Western world is.

(Biden 2016 take that Lieberman)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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China and Russia are the only stumbling blocks on the way to One World Government.


Well.....there is me....but I'm only like one person.


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment old naughty
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I really really hope you are right...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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And PMs go from red to green as we speak.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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They know gold is forever, whereas anything man-made depreciates.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment Freegolder
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This article re China and gold does not appear at China Securities, nor Bloomberg, it originated yesterday here at ZeroHedge, with no link.

Makes one wonder.

What. Is. True.


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
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Everyone's gonna need Bullets Beans and Bullion

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Utah will accept Gold and Silver as currency.

So where is the mad rush to Utah to live out ones "bullion" fantasy?

There isn't one because people prefer to talk the talk instead of walking the walk.

(Biden 2016, oh fuck this is really happening)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Biden 2016:  I'll give you the whole load

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Most Americans, especially those near the coasts, are terrified of Mormons.  And why not?  After all, they believe in some kind of space man God.  Or is that the Tom Cruise religion?  It is getting harder and harder to keep up these days.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Look at Utah's growth rate moron.  The "mad rush" is there for everyone to see.  They have a booming economy.  Thanks for pointing that out.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment fourchan
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sure is booming, very nice people, great skiing.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Tinky
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but, but...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Antifaschistische
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It shoud read...

China Dollar Reserves “Too High" - Ensure “National Economic and Financial Safety”

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment BobPaulson
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Yes. Exactly. Every time the US is devalued more, who suffers? Savers. The biggest sucker is the one holding US dollar bonds frankly.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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I just ordered a Gold Pamp 10 gram bar this morning, watch for the spike.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Bracing for impact.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Damn, up 8 bucks. Quick, someone else buy another 10 grams...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Golden Pampers, for WTSHTF.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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What is the percent tungston?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:20 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Does anyone really believe they're only at 1000-2000 tons in the past few years?  If they said several years ago that they'd like to be at 5000-6000 tons by now, and they aren't exporting any gold that's produced in China, then I'd have to imagine that they're much closer to their goal than the experts are estimating.  The experts are seeing China's gold accumulation as a capital preservation exercise, but I think it is better viewed as a take-the-US-out-at-the-knees exercise.  Once they have handily surpassed the US in gold holdings, which shouldn't be much longer now, it seems like some sort of gold-backed Chinese currency would do in the USD once and for all, and it will be China's turn to run the world for awhile.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Unless the US DOES become the largest oil exporter by 2016, in which case, the petro dollar will be alive and well. Just food for thought...why use up all your reserves when you can use everybody else"s? Then be in position to charge ever increasing amounts for your oil?


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment BattlegroundEur...
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Problem is will the US domestic users of oil be happy with the price hike?


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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The mere fact that the Chinese government would publicly announce a desire to increase gold holding indicates they are already pretty comfortable with the amount of gold they have accumulated and wouldn't mind seeing the price increase.  They wouldn't make such announcements only to put the price up on themselves, after all.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Bohm Squad
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DingDingDing...we have a winner.



Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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With what navy?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:13 | Link to Comment BobPaulson
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That would require a shitload of gold. Anybody here know where there is info estimating their domestic production that is quietly being engulfed? I'm curious how much is going into the hands of individuals, as that is a robust decentralized holding that can't be leased out or tinkered with by megalomaniac bankers.

Imagine an attempted checkmate scenario where suddenly China dumps its dollar reserves for gold (just short of an act of war); that seems to be what everybody is implying China will do. Even if there are multiple claims against the US physical holdings (fractional reserve gold banking) if the US still holds the physical, they can simply reneg on their obligations and settle in fiat if there is a panic for physical, thus screwing the paper gold holders.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment economists_do_i...
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China as an 'economic power' is like saying McDonald's provides a 'fine dining experience.'

Cheap prices and *VALUE* do not always co-exist.

The world would survive JUST FINE without their inferior products that wear out in 6 months or less.

Just have Wal Mart boycot Chinese products, and their economy would tank in a heartbeat.

China needs the U.S. a lot more than we need them...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Be sure to remind us how much China needs us when their goods become too expensive for the American consumer.  They have 1.3 billion of their own consumers, who are recently coming into disposable income of their own.  China will no longer need the US in just a few short years, at which point we will be exporting our sweatshop-produced goods to them.


But I'm sure that could never happen, because we're the big bad US of A, right?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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So you are saying America will become China?  Wake the fuck up, much of california already is.  Guess it's time to start asking for Gold in exchange for my soybeans.  Sounds good to me.

None of this is sustainable, please wake the fuck up.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Why are you yelling at me?  I'm well aware that none of this is sustainable.  And I woke up over an hour ago, so... not sure what your point is.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Likewise, the Chinese are use to crap product and they don't need the U.S. to buy their own crap.

Just remember what happens when goods and services stop crossing boarders.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Okay, I'm a moron. Someone esplain to me why China tell folks dis stuff? 

In all seriousness, it makes no sense. If I want to buy, I just do it. I want the price down, not up. I don't tell you I want it so that you will raise your price. 

What if they want the price up? Who might that hurt? Who are they really at war with?

Just sayin.'

I said this on another thread, "In the U.S., we print, therefore we are." Someone was being reasonable and saying the US ain't stacking because they have too many other bills to pay. I say if they want to print, it does not matter. They can do what ever they want to. When you find stashes of cash like they found at Sadam's palace, do you think that is really an entry on someone's book somewhere? Like hell you do. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Someone esplain to me why China tell folks dis stuff?


Because it's a jab in Uncle Sam's eye and they think it's funny. They also know their bonds aren't worth jack anymore. Plus it forces the US to subsidize it even they can keep buying it cheaper. Think about it...and it will all make sense.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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I wonder what percentage of their gold they're actually producing themselves, either in China or through their various partnerships and mine holdings around the world.  If they're producing the majority of their gold themselves, then maybe they don't really care what the price does on the open market.


Or, perhaps those comments could be construed as a message to the Chinese people that gold is a good asset to hold for wealth protection (hint, hint).  


Regardless, I don't think they gave away anything that we didn't already know (I mean, we already know they're buying hand over fist, not to mention what they're producing in-country).  

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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But why are they talking about it at all ?

Very un Chinese.Unless they have already amassed a

lot,lot  more than we are guessing.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:39 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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I Love Gold

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment youngman
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It also tells the rest of the world what lies in the future....China is saying we are here to stay...we are becoming powerful....and we will be a leader invest in us...more or less

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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China thinks in terms of hundreds of years.....the west thinks in terms of thousands of seconds.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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'Americans' think in terms of ending history. See their depletion of resources efforts (which has been very successful so far)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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The criticism of America has always been a bit infantile. One is familiar with the theory from psychoanalysis, when people talk about transference, or when suppressed feelings or emotions are overcome by projecting them onto others. It may work for a while, improving one's feeling of self-worth by devaluing an imagined adversary. But it always falls short. Which is why the ritual must be constantly carried out anew.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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People are focused too greatly on China's official reserves while the Chinese people buy a lot more gold.

India's official reserves are 557 tons while consumers hold 18,000 tons.

Similarly in China, consumers use 500 tons in gold jewelry every year.

Total purchases by consumers of gold jewelry and gold bullion in China is on the order of 1000 tons, 40% of world production and it swamps official purchases.  These purchases by consumers will continue every year even after China has increased its official gold reserves.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  China will do what the U.S. did and confiscate the gold so that they can set the world's economic policy in their favor.  Good luck with that China.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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The same is true in Turkey, the Middle East and the US. Most of the gold is in private hands, there are atleast 170,000 tons estimated. So, why does the fascist west seem unconcerned over all the gold being transferred into oriental and russian hands? 

Why all the paper leveraging? Since in the end, whatever gold is left, remains in the hands of the central banks and their exchange allies? How has the game continued to play for so long after it has been called?

Why are governments making counterfeits?  What happens if all currency goes electronic and you can only spend your gold with a wealth tax garnishing it's true value or through collateral for investments? Do the banks then reel in all that left? 

How will they contain black markets? Can they? Do we want to live in that world? 

Why has every primary dealer been calling for 2000 gold why simultaneously knocking down the price with paper dumps and short running? 

Why would you be willing to break down the markets? Unless, you were working on a system that excludes them in the traditional sense? 

It seems we are asking the wrong questions. All central bankers work in collusion, whether the US, Britain, China or Russia. Therefore, their willingness to create artificial animosities must serve a greater purpose- likely spreads and movements that are front run and guaranteed through HFT machinations. 

Wealth transfer- the two words that motivate and power all the Elites.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:02 | Link to Comment hawk nation
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Obama is having a press conference today so that should cause gold and silver to rally

I think he will be pushing for stimulus for infrastructure projects putting us further into debt. This years deficit i predict may reach 2 TRILLION

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Never forget to add the $6.7 trillion increase in unfunded liabilities every year.  The official debt is just the tip of the debt iceberg.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Hmmmmm..... that "barbarous relic" sure seems important to people besides Bernanke.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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I'm sure Zimbabwe Ben has the  barbarous relic in his personal portfolio.

He may be a bankers tool, but he is not that stupid.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:31 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Gold backed currency or military backed currency.


Might is right as they say.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment The big unzip
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I've got gold fever!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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The US and Europe should go to a gold standard now. All Fort Knox gold is melted into coins now, so it can be used. Frontrun the pboc.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment mh505
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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i can see us with a 30 trillion dollar debt and still be worrying about the same stuff. dont underesitmate CIA initiated computer glitchs and how quickly this debt/assets can dissapear. Its worked well in japan for decades. It seens as though not all new debt issuance that funds federal spending gets passed onto taxpayer.  It just gets moved from one book to another, one computer to another. Poof! Bernanke is a warlock you know. 

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