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Europe Is On Strike As Its Economy Continues To Implode, Stock Futures At Highs

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If May Day is when Europe celebrates labor and jobs (if any), November 14 is its opposite, bizarro cousin as today Europe wakes up to a dead(er than usual) economy. The reason: virtually every European country is on strike. From BusinessWeek: "Spanish workers staged a second general strike this year as unions across Europe prepared the biggest coordinated protests yet against budget cuts that policy makers say are needed to end the region’s debt crisis. In Spain, unions said most auto and metal workers joined the strike, even as power demand was just 13 percent below usual. One of Portugal’s two biggest labor groups also called a strike, partial walkouts are planned in Greece and Italy, and French unions are urging workers to join protest marches. “This is a strike against the suicidal economic policies of the government,” Ignacio Fernandez Toxo, head of Spain’s CCOO union, told supporters late yesterday." In other words, Europe's economy which is already doing swimmingly, is about to see 1/60th of its Q4 GDP removed as virtually no economic goods or services are produced today.

And speaking of "swimmingly", the Greek economy shrank 7.2% in the third quarter from a year earlier, the Greek statistics authority said on Wednesday in its first estimate for the period. The authority said Greece, in its fifth year of recession, contracted further than the 6.3 percent 12-month recession posted for the second quarter of 2012. In other words, the economic contraction accelerated in the quarter ended September 30.

Elsewhere, "Euro-area industrial production dropped the most in more than three years in September, led by double-digit declines in Portugal and Ireland. Output in the 17-nation euro area fell 2.5 percent from August, when it increased 0.9 percent, the European Union’s statistics office in Luxembourg said today. Economists had projected a drop of 2 percent, according to the median of 35 estimates in a Bloomberg News survey. From a year earlier, September output slumped 2.3 percent. European companies are struggling to maintain sales and earnings as the euro-area economy weakens under pressure from the fiscal crisis and faltering global growth." In other words, the whole world is slowly grinding to an economic halt, and people in the socialist continent celebrate by striking, coming soon to an America near you.

In other news, the IMF said that it wants a "real fix, not a quick fix’ in Greece. "Speaking during a visit to Malaysia, Lagarde said that all of Greece's partners shared the same goal of putting the country's recovery programme back on track. "All partners share the same objectives and the same concerns, in other words (that) Greece is ... returned to economic stability, can reaccess markets as soon as possible," Lagarde told reporters. "Obviously from the IMF's perspective, we expect a real fix, not a quick fix, and that means clearly debt that is sustainable as quickly as possible." So... what the IMF has been doing in Greecefor the past 3 years, that was a "real fix"?

Concluding today's bad news rout from Europe was the UK, where jobless claims rose more than expected as the labor market slowed, the BoE cut the UK outlook and warned of a risk of "persistent low growth", and Germany auctioned off its first negative yield bond since July.

All in all, one can see why equity futures are on fire.

/sarc

The full recap from Deutsche Bank

One week on from the US Presidential election result, and we’re no closer to a solution on the fiscal cliff with 48 days left in the year. According to White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, Obama will begin budget negotiations by calling for $1.6trn in additional tax revenue over the next decade, double the $800 billion discussed in talks with GOP leaders during the summer of 2011 (which ultimately fell apart). The seemingly hardline approach sets the scene for tough negotiations with congressional leaders on Friday. The President has called a press conference today where he is likely to provide more detail on the aforementioned tax revenue increases which are reported to include raising taxes on corporations and allowing tax cuts to expire for top income earners (Washington Post, WSJ).

In terms of the markets, a late sell-off in US equities led by technology stocks (-0.90%) marked an otherwise quiet day. The S&P500 closed -0.4% lower, after shedding 0.65% in the final hour of the session. This took us to the lowest level since August 2nd. President Obama’s tweet, in the final hour of trading, that "I'm committed to solving our fiscal challenges. But I refuse to accept any approach that isn't balanced” didn’t help markets hoping for a more conciliatory tone, but probably summed up the state of play of negotiations thus far. US 10yr treasury yields closed at 1.594%, slipping back below the 1.60% mark, and threatening to break out of the 1.6% to 1.8% trading range that has held since August.

Ahead of today’s FOMC minutes, Fed vice-chair Janet Yellen commented that the Fed is considering tying Fed policy to inflation and unemployment targets. Yellen added that the Fed has a target jobless rate range of 5.2% to 6% and that employment targeting may mean that the Fed will tolerate a temporary deviation from inflation ranges. If such a policy comes to pass this is quite a big deal and would need even more money creation.

Asian markets are relatively mixed overnight with gains seen on the Hang Seng (+0.85%) and Nikkei (+0.2%) but the Shanghai Composite (-0.25%) and KOSPI (--0.1%) are underperforming. China’s current President Hu Jintao declared the 18th national party congress officially over today. All eyes are on the final makeup of the Politburo Standing Committee, the highest decision making body of the Party, which will be unveiled tomorrow. Markets are hoping for a substantial representation of reform-minded members. The latest power data in China showed electricity consumption rising 6.1% yoy in October, up from September’s low of 2.9%yoy, providing incremental confidence to some on the trajectory of the Chinese economy. The benchmark Asian IG credit index is trading flat while the Australian dollar is trading marginally higher (0.1%) against the greenback.

Over in Europe, the Stoxx600 closed 0.79% higher led by gains in the peripheries (IBEX +1.66%, MIB +1.4%). Most of the gains came late in the session on the latest Greek headlines suggesting that the troika is bundling the next 3 disbursements for Greece into one payment (totalling more than EUR44bn). However investors were (once again) disappointed later in the US session as German FM Schauble and Greek PM Samaras both said the idea was only being discussed at this stage.

Schauble added that while it was “logical” to combine disbursements, control mechanisms were needed to ensure that Greece keeps to reforms. 10-year Spanish bond yields rose 7.5bp at one point yesterday (to just under 6%) before rallying to close 4bp lower at 5.85%, helped by a re-run of reports that a Spanish bailout is imminent.

Turning to the day ahead, the main focus will be on the FOMC minutes which may provide more detail on policy options following the end of Operation Twist next month. We may also get more detail on Yellen’s inflation/employment targeting plans. In terms of data, US  retail sales and the BoE’s inflation report are the main economic releases. Reuters is reporting that Spanish, Portuguese, Greek and Italian unions have planned a coordinated “European Day of Action and Solidarity”, with strikes against austerity policies. Obama’s press conference is scheduled for 1:30pm US EST today, after which the president will meet with a number of business leaders to discuss his budget proposals.

 


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Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:17 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Forcast calls for hard rain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGXr7OCjJM

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:21 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Don't really know what to do now that you've won......do you?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment French Frog
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"Europe's economy which is already doing swimmingly, is about to see 1/60th of its Q4 GDP removed as virtually no economic goods or services are produced today."

Well, I reckon they will work twice as hard tomorrow to make up the shortfall lol

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:46 | Link to Comment JohnF
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Well, given that the Germans, Austrians and other folks who are actually productive weren't on strike, and the fact that those out on the street are unemployed and not terribly productive to begin with, the effect will be minimal, if even noticeable...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Atlasshruggedme
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I am fat... So I am going to eat until I am skinny. --- People are funny.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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the (suicide) March of the Lemmings continues

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:16 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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It is what we do here, strike, general strike, and occasionally riot, as our political 'democracy'.

It is how we change the system and bring down governments.

We Europeans are intrinsically less afraid of police, lawyers, and government ... it is much less repressive here, very hard to go to jail, in general ... so we feel our democracy as a group affair ... Democracy is the general strike and street demonstration and potential riot, as much as 'voting'

We are not so separated by cars, highways and great distances ... Word of mouth on the street trams and buses, and we can have a street brawl going pretty quickly ...

1789 and storm the Bastille ... we never forgot

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Go Get em Bank Guy!

I never thought I would ever say that ever.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Lost My Shorts
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Europeans are eccentric in other ways too.

I am currently in Japan (not bedding secret agents or meeting the prime minister; just here doing nothing too exciting) and often on ZeroHedge or CNBC websites I see an ad for Finnair, promoting flights to Europe.  Whenever I click on it (been the same for weeks), it goes to a 404 page not found error.  So Finnair is paying for clicks to a non-existent page, and can't even figure that out.  And these are the "smart" Europeans.  Oh well, makes a lot of money for ZeroHedge.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment French Frog
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The Finnish government still owns nearly 60% of Finnair ... since when has anything that's owned or part-owned by any government ever been cost efficient, competitive or even simply up to date? 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment blabam
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Yeah just pay 75% in taxes and call it less repressive. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment Acet
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I'd like to point out that the UK is the exception to this rule.

In here people get arrested for posting photos of burning poppies in Tweeter or posting bad taste jokes about dead girls in Facebook (the later was already convicted to a suspended jail sentence).

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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How would you like this guy if this was your daughter?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Are you fuckin' serious?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Matt
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so, you think people should go to jail everytime they say something that offends someone? And who is going to pay for that?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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In here?  Sounds like a prison.  Oh wait...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:11 | Link to Comment PY-129-20
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No, in Britain you get arrested 18 hours for defending your property against burglars and meanwhile defend the human rights of a djihadist that wants to destroy your society. Not that Germany is much better.

Haven't seen a real strike in years here in Germany. And it won't happen. We're too comfortable, too ignorant and too busy.  Meanwhile small business are dying right and left, but everything is fine. Mutti is doing good work - at least according to the polls. And Berlin is the greatest city in the world.  *sigh*

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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If the polls say so, it must be true.

Otherwise, I would be concerned that she has sold out the German people to secure her seat at the table with the elites.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Count me in Banker Guy!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:17 | Link to Comment plaspotje
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and yet that euro is on the rise ,,, makes one wonder is this government driven or true market driven FX  

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:20 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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and yet that euro is on the rise

 

Against what?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:22 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Zimbabwe dollars.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:22 | Link to Comment plaspotje
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that pain in the ass greenback

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:25 | Link to Comment plaspotje
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and all the peg's that the dollar has like the hkd and rmb

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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Blah blah blah implosion blah blah blah Greece blah blah blah PIIGS.....OK, how many of you out here in ZH land vote for austerity and the eliminatin of central banking as we know it? Raise your hands....now point your hands forward....now salute: YOU are the ones who are voting for the rise of such groups as the Golden Dawn. AND....you like it. The rage and struggle are exciting: dopamine my friends. You are addicts....addicted to doom.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:24 | Link to Comment cossack55
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More accurately addicted to reality. Go watch some Faux News and you will feel better.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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All my propaganda comes from the Wall Street Journal and CNBC.....thank you very much.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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Propaganda is not the issue - brain science is. OF COURSE governments lie, and the MSM lie...the media's job is not to report the news, it is to get you hooked on their dope. Glenn Beck is a GENIUS at this. He speaks in ways, and presents whatever he presents in ways that suck people in...they get hooked...the anger that he creates, and the subsequent "acknowledgement" that he expresses, the "sympathy" that he expresses, simply put gives his listerers and followers a dopamine rush. That's it. It has virtually nothing to do with "the truth." But you folks on ZH and other such doom websites are no different than the government officlals who you condemn, or the MSM that you excoriate. No different....it's just to get high, man.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:38 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Well......guess we're screwed then.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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Your grade as a troll...

 

D-

Please take the time to enroll in a few of Million Dollar Bonuses "How to troll and still feel good about yourself" classes.  Enrollment can be found through the Apollo/Obama Educational network.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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You just don't get it. I underatand. You have been brainwashed. NOT by ideology. I tend to AGREE with most of the analyses here on ZH with regard to underlying issues, etc. Did you hear that? I concur. Yes, malfeasance and fraud and plutocracy et al. You have been brainwashed by the rush of dopamine and adrenalin and endorphins that you get when you and your pals here on ZH gang-up on outsiders - outsiders who express a differing viewpoint. THAT is the definition of extremism. Extremism hides behind ideology, but is really just a neuro-chemical imperative. It is so ironic: you people are the very mouth-breathers you purport NOT to be and that you abhor.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Matt
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"If you spend less than you make, you are a nazi" - paraphrasing Miramanee.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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LOL!!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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I know the numbers. I have crunched the data. YES.... Eurpoe is not in good shape. So....is austerity the answer? To you people it IS because you'd rather sit at your computers and masturbate while the riots rage than admit that cnetral banking and fiat currency could, in the near term, save the day (while leaders subsequently figured out a way to EITHER grow the EU or dissolve the EU.)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment The Master
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Good morning To the Kruuuuugman!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Heh heh. Where's Robin Williams when you need him?

 

What you're about to hear is almost going to sound almost sane......almost.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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:) Reminded me to "The Ben Bernank"

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment blabam
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Default ain't austerity numbnuts. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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Give the drowning man another glass of water.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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@ Miramanee

 

You are the definition of a coward looking for the easy way out.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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@ caesar

You are the definition of....well....nothing really. I am simply making a point. We are the product of our genetic construction and our brain chemistry. The overwhelming majority of people on ZH refuse to engage in dialog about issues because (a) challenges to their way of thinking threatens their identity, and (b) it is through their identity that their brain chemistry is altered. Think about it. Everytime someone from the MSM makes a gogent point against collapse, or anytime the markets rise or the BLS reports are encouraging, doomers' sense of community and identity is threatenend...hence the immediate denials and rebuttals. It is community that provides the dopamine rush. How many times do you check and recheck your comments? How do you FEEL when people agree with you? Just sayin'.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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one more observation - much of what is written about on these pages I AGREE with...from a purely analytical perspective, there is much truth typed into this virtual reality. But hyperbole is also a central theme here...and on other gloom and doom blogs. Hyperbole feeds the brain's desire for dope. Why is it that televangelisis - CLEARLY charlatans and thieves, for the most part - remain so poopular?!! Fire and brimstone gets the juices....errr, the neuro-chemicals....flowing. During the height of my life as a doomer-blogger, I had quite a following. It felt great. It filled a void. BUT, reality conflicted with my opining....so, instead of challenging my reality, I found a community who simply reflected my anger without ever challenging my analyses. THAT is ZH. Anytime someone even puts forth the NOTION that central banking could help stave off austerity, depression, war, etc., that person is eviscerated. And I would argue NOT because he or she might make valid arguments, but because the threat to the community identity is too risky....I think doomers are drug addicts; they're just addicted to dopamine rather than heroin.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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I have nothing personally against you Miramanee and you probably have a point regarding chemical flows related to group think.  However, just because one takes the opposite side of a discussion for the sake argument does mean that it has any validity. You could say that acceleration due to gravity is not 9.8 m/s2 however such a statement does not put you on equal footing arguing against the vast amount of literature coming from direct observation determing the acceleration due to gravity on Earth to be 9.8 m/s2  just because you are playing Devil's Advocate. The reason why most people here are not willing to consider that Central Banks could help problems such as austerity, depression, war, etc., is because we have determined that Central Banking is one of the primary causes of these problems. We have heard the theory that Central Banking could help these things for a number of years and it is only through personal experience and careful observation that we have determined these theories to be false.

How long do you expect us to give Central Banking the benefit of the doubt?

Just because people agree with you doesn't mean you, or they, are wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Miramanee
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@ Caesar

 

AGREED!!! Central banking, in its current form, is a total disaster. You said, "...because we have determined that Central Banking is one of the primary causes of these problems. We have heard the theory that Central Banking could help these things for a number of years and it is only through personal experience and careful observation that we have determined these theories to be false..." And for the most part I AGREE. Central banking - the way it works in a money-as-debt fractional reserve system - is going to creare a neo-Feudal world, over the long haul, that is going to be utterly disastrous for billions of people. MY argument is that we need to reclaim central banking (per se) and employ fiat money as a public good.I also happen to believe that if we resort to austerity in the near term, we will not be prepared for the effects. We are a different world than the one that survived the Depression of the 1930s (and more importantly, the World War that followed).

And now....you and I are having a conversation about the issue. I think we need to be very careful when we refute outright the kick-the-can strategy. I understand that many believe it will be worse the longer we wait, but NOT if we are more prepared for that eventuality, and not if it happens during a period of "relative" peace and global detente.

Now we are engaged in front brain thinking. Thanks Caesar.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Overfed
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In other words; is it really so bad to give that can one more good kick?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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More accurately addicted to reality.
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'Americans' are addicted to propaganda and fantasy, probably to shield from reality as 'americans' have the biggest trouble dealing with the most obvious sides of reality.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment akak
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Chinese Citizenism citizens are addicted to Chinese state propaganda and Independent-Tibetans-as-slaveowners fantasy, probably to shield from reality, the stench as Chinese Citizenism citizens have the biggest trouble dealing with the most obvious crapped-up sides of the roads.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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Addicted to reality? Hope so. And yet, what to make out of a comment like "europe the socialist continent"? That has probably the same roots (aka think tank) as the "Bismarck was a socialist"?

Come on, the key aspect of socialism can be quantified: social spending per person and taxpayer and GDP and whatever.

I do not see the point for such shallow propagandistic remarks.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment plaspotje
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not doom and gloom yet  , wait until the lies from the government stop because they can't hide  anymore ,   spain  greece 25% unemployment  are government numbers  what are the real numbers?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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I cannot deny the truth of this comment. Still...isn't there room for something productive to say here? Like "this is end of the world stuff" we already know about and is therefor priced in? Besides (obviously) not ALL of Europe is this way. This site being very pro German lays out in great detail how "this is not a German problem." And indeed to date there is much truth to that as well. Still the Germans didn't invent economics...although Bitler did solve the problem of unemployment quite quickly during the Depression.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:21 | Link to Comment WaEver
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness.....Still applies to our age with its automatic tootbrushes and iWhatever

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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"There was a king with a square jaw and a Queen with a plain face on the throne of England...

... and there was a bloodthirsty clown, who would lure children into the sewer and swallow them whole!"

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:21 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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Blow-off top bitchez!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:24 | Link to Comment new game
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lower lows and lower highs except what you need to live - new norm, same game just in overdrive to where-

ah, glad you ask, the fucking cliff - don't ya know?!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:25 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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The obvious implication is that equity prices are being denominated by ever smaller units of currency. A more interesting question is the relative effect of the contraction in choice of liquid investments having any upside potential, now that bonds have nowhere to go but down.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment new game
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supply and demand still works?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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With the fed saying they will be trying to keep bonds up for the next four years or more I wouldn't bet on an imminent drop, just yeilds getting crushed by inflation.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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Yup, but the danger is that the Fed loses control of interest rates in the general economy.  It works like this -- banks say their loan rates are 3% (for example) but they don't lend any money at that rate because no one qualifies for such loans.  People actually borrow at 7% or 10% or more.  This happens all the time, for example in the mobile home lending world.  There, actual completed loans are usually around 13%.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Make that a 1/120 on the loss of production, half of it is junk you don't need and shouldn't want.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Virtually every country in Europe is on strike??? So far only Spain and Greece with strikes planned in Italy and France. So no strikes in UK, Bel, NL, Ger, Aus, Lux, Swe, Den, Hun, Slo, Fin, Pol, etc.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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Virtually, not factually. It's a socialist continent and it's on strike. Period. ;-)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Slartibartfast
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The sooner they default, the sooner they re-set. Just dragging out the inevitable by continuing to support the unsustainable. The Age of Neo-Feudal corporo-banking must end. For those who fear the socialist bogeyman and the 're-distribution of wealth', the joke's on you...the big banking cartels have just about re-distributed all the wealth there is straight into their own pockets, and it's still not enough. It's not left versus right anymore...it's become a worldwide dictatorship of non-productive capital.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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slarti, you see trees and miss the forest..socialism is the tool they are using you ass.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Slartibartfast
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...then it's not really socialism, is it, Dullard! Just like 'neo-conservative' and 'neo-liberal' have nothing at all to do with either 'conservative' or 'liberal'. 'Left' and 'right' have nothing to do with 'fascism' or 'dictatorship'; it's whatever 'flavour' delivers the power. You're hung up on labels and missing the big con. Whether it's Monopoly, Backgammon or Sorry, if the dice are loaded then the 'game' IS the dice.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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Finally, I agree with you.  It is all about power.  Unfortunately, with socialism, the people vote to give power to the Animal Farm elite.  At least with fascism you aren't fighting against an entire population of people with no integrity or sense of self-reliance.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Slartibartfast
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Bit of a sweeping generalisation there. Ms. Rand herself went on old age security with nary a blush. If farmers choose to cooperate in their purchases to bring down the cost of production, isn't that 'socialism' (collective action towards a shared benefit)? And yet their bottom line is improved and is therefore good for business.

It's mystifying why people insist on one label over another when everything depends upon context and situation. The big enemy remains concentrated non-productive capital that takes over the reins of power, regardless of system. A good idea is a good idea...why throw it away for nothing more than a desire to adhere to an ideology? Greenspan was a devout Randian acolyte and look at the mess he made. If a 'socialist' framework benefits a few, it ain't really socialism.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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"The privately owned Federal Reserve Bank was granted a monoploy for the issuance of banknotes in the USA - the Federal Reserve Note. Some people think the Federal reserve banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. As the Fed creates new money, much of it is loaned to the government, which must pay interest on the "debt". The government in turn levies income taxes on the citizens to pay the interest on the debt"

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/prosper.html

The banks are the biggest welfare recipients of all.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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It's the rich people's fault, but said using a lot more words than necessary.

Of course, for every lender there's a borrower, for every corrupt politician there's a lot of stupid voters.

Fri, 11/23/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Dealyer Turdin
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Well, a lot of stupid votes, anyway. They're not elections, just electrons. Washingtron, Sacramentron, Coloradtron, Textron, Nevadtron, Arizontron, CPU party vs the RAM party.

(Don't worry, they won't actually use the CPU or the RAM...)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment PolishHammer
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Union workers strike in their own interests which are exactly opposite the interests of the army of the unemployed.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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When union workers throw molotov cocktails, it's called "protesting". When unemployed societal roadkill throw molotov cocktails, it's called "rioting" or "terrorism".

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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In their perceived interests, not their actual interests.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:30 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Europe is down across the board this morning.

 

Dow pre-market is up.  Let's see how long that lasts.

 

http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/dow-jones-daily-ends-flat-volume/

 

And for all you Chinese cheerleaders, the Shanghai topped in 2009 and less so in 2010 and has been falling since.  It's beginning to look a lot like De-flation, everywhere I go!!!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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WILE E.COYOTE crash update:

When EURUSD hopium finishes, SPX downtrend can resume.

http://trader618.com
http://tinyurl.com/ZH-Forum

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Hari Kari or Sepuku ?

Same result.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Anasteus
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Yeah, so the IMF wants a 'real fix, not a quick fix' in Greece. Fine, then get Greek, Italian, Portuguese, German and French banks involved bankrupt, allow dumb private and public investors for massive write-off, investigate Goldman, Super Mario, the European cronies for their participation on fabricating the fake economic metrics and do your due dilligence considering the respective conclusions, allow for punishing corrupted politicians and stop feeding irresponsible and incompetent banking and political oligarchy.

Easier said than done, IMF, isn't it?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Newsboy
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Global Austerity IS THE PLAN for global warming and the end of growth.

(Ssshhh, it's a SECRET)

Banks can do quite well in long depressions.

They are ratcheting it down.

Everything is under control...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment northerngirl
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The world is upside down, and instead of saying, "The world is upside down", all effort is put into hiding the fact that it is upside down.  The truth is the truth no matter how many people say different.  Let the looters continue to loot, because nothing will change until people have destroyed their country, sovereignty, and their lives.  Don't worry Europe we American's are with you!  God help us!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Madcow
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people are not realizing that the bankers WANT things to get worse and worse and worse in Europe.  

5 more years of this and there will be 80% unemployment, mass starvation, ubiiquitous bankruptcy .... 

that will allow the bankers to swoop in and confiscate >90% of Europes homes, businesses, factories, city parks, etc - 

the have to keep pretending they agree there is a "crisis" that must be "dealt with" becuase the public would not accept that what is happening now IS the plan. 

and the pain is just getting warmed up.  ican't imagine what this will look like 5 or 10 years from now.  probably something a lot closer to "Mad Max" or "Children of Men"

Those that lacked the forsight to flee the continent unfortunately get what they deserve

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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It's the rich bankers' fault.  Why, because . . . they want to confiscate everything?

At least when it used to be the Jews' fault, who were the bankers mainly, we could say it was racism.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment rustymason
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I thought is was all the fault of Hitler or the Germans (Same thing, natürlich).

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Invisible Hand
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This is OT but...

Saw a Frenchman's take on what the election means for America and thought it was very interesting.

It even mentions Zerohedge!

You may not like it, but perhaps it will make you think.

I tried to argue some of the same points before the election but I am no where near as persuasive.

http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/blog/link/the-frogmans-prophecies/

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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"The one man who will kill your Republic is the one man who will last give up and renounce it. Don’t you dare be that man."

 

I love it! That's a kindred spirit to "They can have my rifle when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers".

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment falak pema
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very well written and romantic perspective, written like Horatio on the bridge, or a latter day son of Lafayette at Yorktown.

It should please all those "patriots" who lost their souls in Vietnam and elsewhere. Good "pick-me-up" medicine.

There is not a word of ethics in it. For a frenchman like me this harangue is a betrayal, or negation,  of Enlightenment. But then the french, like all other nations, produce shoes in all sizes and men of all bends. That is the legacy of free will.

I like the style if not ALL the substance. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:45 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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'Americans' and their hatred for the most obvious facts...

'American' politicians are servants, as they are supposed to be by the very principles of 'americanism'.

'American' politicians are servants to the 'american' King class, aka the 'american' middle class.

In every 'american', you'll find this taste and need for a fabled past: US Americans started as radical freedom for individuals supporters.

And they were so radical in their freedom for individuals support they kept slaves.

That is what 'americans' call being radical.

Actually, the English King was a more radical supporter for freedom of the individual than the US Americans.

'Americans' cant deal with the idea that 'americanism' is what has shaped the world of today. They have to invent a fabled past to later confirm a devolution, a degeneration of their so loved 'americanism'

Yet the most basic observation shows no devolution or degeneration of 'americanism'

The US, the mecca of 'americanism' set the tune:
masquerading coercion for freedom, masquerading propaganda (later fantasy) for truth, masquerading injustice for justice. That has been the 'american' recipe from the start.

Racism being a vital component of 'americanism', 'americans' thought that the bad sides of 'americanism' could not hit them. It was for others. As for today, they are discovering that the 'american' process of decivilization needs to be fed and fed fat people.

And who has grown fatter than the 'american' middle class, that class that has been protected from the bad consequences of 'americanism'?

Way too many 'americans', so few Indians...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment RougeUnderwriter
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We are not to far behind. What happens to us when the global economy falls off a cliff. Contagion in the banking system, lack of jobs, stagnent growth - it's not just Euro Land. The EU is running out of moves and we just keep printing money.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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The natural progression of blame-shifting:

First, "It's Bush's fault."

Then, "It's rich people's fault."

And finally, "It's foreigner's fault." (Take your pick, but probably Iran or China).

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Everyone but 'americans' fault...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment akak
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Everyone but Chinese Citizenism citizens fault --- they are certainly not the #1 blobber-upper of world natural resources, and are all, to a person, as guilt-free and innocent as newborn babes (well, as innocent as newborn Chinese Citizenism baby boys --- the worthless "half human, half thing" baby girls often do not fare so well).

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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And if all else fails, "Kill the Jews." It's so convenient they are also all rich and control everything. So you get to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Unfortunately for the blame crowd, they now have nuclear weapons, so the task is a bit more dangerous.

Tricky little bastards - arn't they?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment stika
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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“This is a strike against the suicidal economic policies of the government,” Ignacio Fernandez Toxo, head of Spain’s CCOO union..

a Unionist at last standing up against suicide socialist spending???

er, no ..damn. He doesn't want austerity (Jabba the Hut Govt on a diet) he wants more, more, more glutony and continued State obesity ...worked in Greece didn't it!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment pashley1411
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Its not over until the Vandals cross the Rhine.   Until then, all noise and smoke.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment BraveSirRobin
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Miramanee certainly got the thread going in different direction.

Sounds like he took a Brain Chemistry 101 course recently.

He seems to have discovered that people of like mind tend to congregate to discuss their ideas, and when challenged, tend to defend the same, and are not easily swayed to the next opinion presented without strong evidence. Perhaps a Noble prize is on the way.

I can't wait to read another inciteful and enlightening Miramanee post.

<<You can paraphrase me with "No shit, Sherlock.>>

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 14:53 | Link to Comment trx
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I disperati:

Seems like the Italians have come up with another some kinda income booster - according to the Danish website they're now suing analysts ant both S&P and Fitch for "negative" reports on the state of the Italian economy...

http://finanswatch.dk/Finansnyt/article4908282.ece

Just two weeks ago the Italian authorities  jailed seven seismologists for not have been warning "enought" about a forthcoming earthquake that killed 300 people.

It fits the pattern, thou....

 

Today's audiovisuel European summary:

Snapshot in Time (Rip This Joint) 11142012

 

 

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