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Guest Post: Miligate: Geishas, Courtesans And Groupies

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Submitted by Ben Tanosburn,

Congress, particularly that uppity Senate club of multi-millionaires, seems always ready to remind us – the hoi polloi citizenry – that it is much more than the legislative, law-making branch of government.  At some historic point, or perhaps at a series of evolving points, this august body became self-appointed guardian of both America’s national security and American morals.

If only the nation’s Founding Fathers could see us now!  A Supreme Court totally gone wild, de facto legislating and imposing its will; a Congress, lair of lazy career politicians and self-serving scoundrels; and an Executive, wearing reversible togas colored blue and red, running the nation as an empire, and using the country’s military as police force for multi-national predatory capitalism… subsidized by taxpayers from America’s lower and middle classes.  [Yes, the lower classes, contrary to how Romney and the Thug-elite view them, do pay taxes (indirectly) when their labor is not properly compensated.]

It is now beginning to look as if the nation’s economic problems, the “fiscal cliff” that Congress imposed earlier in the year in lieu of compromise –a powder keg set to explode by year’ end – might have to share in importance with an investigation of extracurricular behavior exhibited by top military brass.  It could potentially become a new tantalizing distraction being brought to the American coliseum by an irresponsible Congress and an equally irresponsible corporate media.

Are we at the embryo stage of a major military scandal… a Miligate?

Many of us would interpret the word “miligate” as a misspelling of mitigate; that is, unless we capitalize the M and use it in the context of recent behavior exhibited by top military brass, flag officers commanding our empire’s legions: two field marshals of expeditionary campaigns… for now.  Perhaps we should be asking the question, are some members of Congress in a salacious or sexually aroused mood to bring about Miligate?

The US military has almost a thousand flag officers (950 +/-), wearing from one to four stars, commanding the activities of a million and a half souls, nearly 80 percent 35 years of age or younger… at times referred to as warriors, other times as heroes.  Of course, those terms are for home (US) consumption, while the epithets assigned to them in foreign lands tend to be at the opposite end of the flattery spectrum.

Now two elite 4-star officers, David Petraeus and John Allen are under the gun – Petraeus, the military genius [by Washington accounts] who took on directorship of the CIA a year ago – and from which he has recently resigned; and his replacement at the helm of the Afghanistan black hole, and recently nominated to assume command of NATO – nomination now on-hold, the marine “monk,” John Allen.

Petraeus and Allen are two Samson-characters who availed their modern day Delilah(s) with a razor-sharp lack of common sense. Gen. Allen, from all current accounts, is likely to withstand the tempest, only his judgment perhaps scathed, and a back down on his nomination to the NATO command.  For Petraeus, it will be a horse of a different color, tarnishing past accomplishments and a sterling reputation.

Intellectual generals such as David Petraeus are hard to come by, but as successful as he was in Princeton defending his dissertation [The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam: A Study of Military Influence and the Use of Force in the Post-Vietnam Era] his poor judgment will always precede and preamble any glory he might have otherwise earned.  No, not his poor judgment in the affaire with Paula Broadwell, assuming that national security was never at risk, but his incredibly poor judgment in writing a recommendation – to a judge – for Natalie Khawam, Jill Kelley’s twin sister; someone he hardly knew on a child custody matter of which he knew little or nothing.

Paula Broadwell, Jill Kelley and Natalie Khawan are neither geishas, nor courtesans... perhaps more of a groupie-variety around the military, with aspirations and personal needs – you may include morals – that are none of our business; nor Congress’ business once the investigation confirms that national security was not at risk.  Whatever the nature or level of investigation, such investigations, while in progress, should not be the public’s salacious concern fed by a self-serving media.

Let’s all be concerned with pressuring the politicians to defuse the “fiscal cliff,” and wait until appropriate investigations are concluded to determine whether there is a Miligate.


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Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:26 | 2982421 davidsmith
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Petraeus and Allen are two Samson-characters who availed their modern day Delilah(s) with a razor-sharp lack of common sense. Gen. Allen, from all current accounts, is likely to withstand the tempest, only his judgment perhaps scathed, and a back down on his nomination to the NATO command.  For Petraeus, it will be a horse of a different color, tarnishing past accomplishments and a sterling reputation.



This is such mangled prose it's hard to believe.  What a bunch of garbage!!  "avail...with?"  "perhaps scathed"??  "horse...tarnishing?"  What complete imbecile wrote this crap??

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:32 | 2982446 vast-dom
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you have no fucking idea how big this Milligate will be. trust me on this. tomorrow the shit splatters the fan. tune in boys and girls.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:37 | 2982461 Ineverslice
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 the culling has commenced.

Way too many personnel...make room for the future warriors...Intel Inside.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:17 | 2983005 Popo
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Assuming for a minute that nothing happens in the corridors of power without a reason, who wants Petraeus gone? And why?

Was he a stick in the mud on a particular policy or program? Was he spearheading something that someone else had issues with?

From where I'm sitting, I see a powerful guy who had an affair with a hot babe. That happens every day. Big deal. So is this a take down? And if so, why?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:14 | 2983129 redpill
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I don't think this was supposed to play out this way.  I think this was something that was supposed to be held over his head.  Someone fucked up.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:55 | 2983348 Acet
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It explains his sudden resignation seemingly by his own initiative: he probably thought through to its natural conclusion when somebody attempted to blackmail him with this and did the only thing he could do to limit the damage.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:27 | 2983441 duo
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In the post-Stalin era, you purge your top generals with scandal/career suicide  instead of a bullet in the back of the head.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:57 | 2983182 JOYFUL
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You have to be willing to view this from the correct perspective...

now that Amerika has become a kind of gigantic version of the classic tin-pot socialist dictatorship, the case of Arnaldo Ochoa, general in charge of the Cuban military mission in Angola, third-ranking military leader in the country, and close confidant of President Fidel Castro and his brother Raul, minister of the armed forces, one of two men designated hero of the Republic, is key to understanding the dynamics at play. 

Brought to heel along with his buddy Tony de la Guardia on moral charges, and executed for same, Ochoa's case serves a perfect example of the process by which the incredibly venal and self serving hierarchies of these Ali-Baba and forty thieves type banana republics (which the USA has now joined the ranks of) amplify the sins of those around them, in dizzying soap-operatic media frenzies, in order to lead attention away from their own crimes of much greater magnitude...USA - the new CUBA!

it's all very Afreakan, heart of darkness, voodoo Santeria type stuff, by which the cabbalist necromancers behind the throne of the JUJU man Odingo\obama mix n meld a rancid brew of poisons to wield against the enemies of the socialist state and it's capitalist enablers...

a sudden flash in the river, the piranha fish, the bones of the victim momentarily visible before sinking into the murky tropic waters. What used to be the stuff of Graham Green type novels is now the syncopation of the real heart of darkness...Washington DC...where the MauMau drums beat day and night their tattoo of blood sacrifice.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 03:38 | 2983252 StychoKiller
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Yer wasting yer talent(s) commenting on blogs...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 03:57 | 2983266 Oldrepublic
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Arnaldo Ochoa was a real man,  when the brothers Castro ordered his execution on fake charges, he had the balls to command the firing squad that shot him!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:53 | 2983347 JOYFUL
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Correct, the comrade, whilst mistaken in his politics and bedfellows, did not lack for cojones, and died a warriors' death.

His performance comes in only second to that of William Morgan, the Merikan merk who fought for Fidel, until realizing the revolution was betrayed by the Jesuit behind the phony populist mask, switched sides and tried to spark the counter-revolution which the CIA would later set up and betray in the hills of Escambray.

Morgan, after hideous tortures at the hands of "El Che" in Havana prison, refused that monsters' command to sink to his knees before his which point the 'hero of socialism' whipped out a pistol and shot the unarmed prisoner in the knees before the firing squad fininised its work.

Cuba. An illuminist experiment in creating and managing mass penal colonies a la C16th coming to a FEMA barrio near you!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:35 | 2983296 Bahamas
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Joyful: Heart of Darkness was written by Joseph Conrad, not Graham Green.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:27 | 2983332 JOYFUL
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thanks, I did not conflate the two, but rather, threw out enuff literary allusions to try and bridge the decreasing gap between C19th colonial, Africa, C20th South America, and C21st Merika, where the descent into madness, butchery, and sheer love of mayhem recalls the juicest parts of Brando and Sheen in Acopalyspe Now...

and day to day life in DC.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:40 | 2983589 Urban Roman
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... literary elutions ...


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:07 | 2983322 Cosimo de Medici
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Your last paragraph got my head spinnin', what with Greene, Conrad, Amazon fish and the Mau Maus all in one section.  Got me to thinking, too, about all those Sandhurst types who kept pretending the Empire was alive long after it went down with the Titanic...folks like the Mau Mau's baddest enemy Ian Stuart McWalter Henderson, late of Bahrain, and Timothy Landon, the White Sultan.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:42 | 2983340 JOYFUL
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Indeed. The fact that Barry Odingo/obama springs exactly out of that milieu, and is a creation of the same MI-5, Maurice Strong, Agenda 21 faction should set heads a spinnin!

...or at least alert to the premise that cartoon pictures of bone-sporting cannibals prancing in front of pots of hot water were not figments of their creators imaginings, but the harbingers of our post-reality future, when the White Man's Burden would finally collapse into Whitey's suicidal plunge into socialist self-destruction.

Those Hanna-Barbera guys were way ahead of their times. And imagine, they drew everything frame by frame!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:11 | 2983995 TruthHunter
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"nothing happens in the corridors of power without a reason"

Petraeus was set to testify on Benghazi. Could sweet talking, absolutely ruthless Hillary

be trying to salvage her image? Benghazi seems forgotten now that the press has Petraeus to pillory.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:40 | 2982475 SgtShaftoe
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Meehhhh... Anyone of general rank is a politician. Wake me up when the Colonels and command sergeant majors begin beating people up. Then things will start getting interesting.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:42 | 2982483 vast-dom
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i put my good name on this right now: BLACK SWAN tomorrow. Short the Ponzi Planet. Shit will get hyper-real starting tomorow. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:50 | 2982505 SgtShaftoe
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Ok, I'll keep my eyes out tomorrow. Usually interesting things barely get reported. Let us know. Can you give a little more of a hint?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:59 | 2982532 Zer0head
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Tomorrow or Friday will be a yawn. 

The media through which the vast majority of Americans view the world and their leadership will gaze and wonder about whatever that foursome was up to.  Half truth and falsehoods will be woven into a story that will surely discredit anything that even hints at the truth. So while a zombie like populous fantasizes about the Generals' foursome they will be all but oblivious to the foursome that were blown away in Benghazi. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:08 | 2982573 SmallerGovNow2
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VD hasn't a clue what will happen with this tomorrow.  And neither does anyone else on this site.  The JC event is the bigger issue right now with the D's and R's split.  Shows how completely fucked we are as a nation when you can't convict a fucking cheat like Corzine when he was caught red handed just because he was part of your party...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:58 | 2982740 AmCockerSpaniel
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Black Mail  Stuff was done for Obama that can not see the light of day. This is how they can get away with murder.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:02 | 2982759 vast-dom
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but what happens when the blackmail is no longer valid? what happens after it has imploded and the target of said blackmail is..............¿.............

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:22 | 2982611 vast-dom
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 beans.........will be spilt....

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:26 | 2982627 A Lunatic
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I hope to God that he spills every fucking thing he has ever known throughout his career.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:30 | 2982642 suteibu
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So, Patraeus is going to go all Smedley Butler on their asses?  It's only worth watching if he does.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:35 | 2982658 vast-dom
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yep. promise you a Smedley with a TWIST.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:39 | 2982672 suteibu
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Time will tell.  Here's hoping you know what you are talking about.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:41 | 2982683 Cheesy Bastard
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Tell him not to take his dog for a walk at midnight.  (or go near the hot tub)

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:51 | 2982692 vast-dom
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let me put it this way: track the markets from start of Watergate till it ended you know how and then mulitply that by a fiscal cliff, structurally unsound markets with crazy ponzi central rigging shit like we have today, throw in another high-ranking military man, stir and mix with some extra volatile middle east fuckery and you may start to get the idea of what this newly branded Milligate could be.


Remember when Marc Faber just the other day went on teevee and said he doesn't think Obama will last 4 years? As he put it then, "where there's smoke, there's fire". Get ready boys and girls. 

Of course if someone's radio or hair dryer falls into the tub while they are taking a bath, sure......there is never anything for certain, especially when one is en route to testifying....

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:09 | 2982776 Orly
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It will come out that Petraeus and others were thwarted in a coup attempt to either,:

a. Restore the management of the Bush-Cheney-Blackrock-Carlysle Group agenda from what is now our "government," or,

b. To keep President Obama from realising the greatest dreams of those "banksters" by finalising their plans for world conquest, including crashing the US dollar and having the Federal Reserve Board of the United States rule the financial world.  Petraeus, et. al., aim was to remove the "Federal government" we have now and restore the Constitution of the United States of America.


Just a little food for thought:


...just to help you think about it more deeply.  As Vast-Dom says, either way, it's going to be BIG.

Remember these can tell your grandchildren you were there.  I personally don't know what to believe any more but I do know that these are the pivotal days in American history.


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:25 | 2982836 vast-dom
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and remember this: no ambassador was murdered in preventable death and no president watched that murder on live feed during Watergate. the same prez that hangs out with Will Smith at his crib the day after an historic storm. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:27 | 2982843 Orly
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Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm," indeed.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:35 | 2982877 Go Tribe
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I pray you are right and obama is brought down early in his term. I'll gladly take a full-scale Depression today for that bit of payback. Bring it!


And yeah, you're right about the black swan a coming.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:40 | 2982895 Go Tribe
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I pray you are right and obama is brought down early in his term. I'll gladly take a full-scale Depression today for that bit of payback. Bring it!


And yeah, you're right about the black swan a coming.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:46 | 2982697 SgtShaftoe
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That's the only way he will retain a fucking asshair of respect in the history books.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:07 | 2982771 max2205
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Nobody fucks with Obammy, cause he's black. It's the American way!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:58 | 2983353 marriedgeordie
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the american way is "do what israel tells you to" - you do not seem to have a deep enough understanding of the game being played.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:41 | 2983166 Ballin D
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This better not be another Donald Trump style 'game changer' 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:32 | 2982864 Orly
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It's a closed-door session.  No TeeVee.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:39 | 2982889 A Lunatic
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If a general spills his guts and no one who isn't owned is around to hear it did he really spill his guts type of stuff then..........

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:51 | 2982937 Orly
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Not everyone is owned and those who are owned are not owned so completely.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:26 | 2983331 Urban Redneck
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why the "off site" or do we just get different news on the other side of the pond?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:51 | 2982510 fonzannoon
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If I was a soldier, overseas....wherever, I would slam my fucking helmet down and demand a ride home and a discharge immediately. Why continue to put your life on the line for any of this?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:56 | 2982526 SgtShaftoe
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A lot of officers left in the early 2000s, including me at the buildup for Iraq. The ones who have stayed have their reasons, many to keep good guys inside, safety net.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:54 | 2982518 DeadFred
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I've got positions to take advantage of a 10% drop in the next two days. Am I being too cautious?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:09 | 2982575 rhinoblitzing
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Ok - I call you.. Since your good name is on this.....

What Fan - What Shit - and What Swans are coming ... If it's that big... clue us in... We'll give you the cred later - if the internet still works.


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:11 | 2982585 DeadFred
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If his crystal ball is like mine it doesn't always give details, mine needs degaussing.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 06:36 | 2983363 Winston Churchill
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Mine appears to suffer from premature prognostication..

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:34 | 2982655 CH1
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Okay, am dusting off the scope and watching for the bird.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:24 | 2982833 suteibu
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CBS is reporting that the Patraeus hearing will be closed so we may never know what he says.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:22 | 2983017 Popo
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Oh come on. Back that shit up, or your "good name" is shit.

If you're going to come here and jus throw around garbage predictions (and put "your good name" on them) then you're just clutter.

Black Swan *tomorrow* why? Remember: you already out your name on the prediction, vast-dom. Why specifically tomorrow?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:45 | 2982496 knukles
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 "What complete imbecile wrote this crap??"

Paul Krugman?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:29 | 2982854 Orly
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Read between the lines, "David."


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:58 | 2982959 Dingleberry
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The only way to make flag rank is to play ball.  Abusing power and taking advantage of others is nothing new in politics or the military at high levels.  The difference is.......wait for it........when you fuck up in the military, you get thrown out, have to retire early, demoted or perhaps worse.  

What happens when you get caught as a politician? You get re-elected and have a army of spin doctors at your disposal.  Wherever humans roam, someone is (or shortly will) fuck up and get caught.  The difference is in the consequences.......

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:26 | 2982422 A Lunatic
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The  Sheeples voted for and received their Bread, now for the Circus............

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:31 | 2982435 Al Gorerhythm
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"If only the nation’s Founding Fathers could see us now!"

They did see it. They warned against it. You pay for what you eat.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:17 | 2983327 Tango in the Blight
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If they had known what the US would have been like 240 years later they might have called off the revolution and stay subjects of jolly ole King George.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:32 | 2982447 ziggy59
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jill and natalie are twins...

Hmmmm. The plot thickens, indeed and in deed

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:36 | 2982456 SgtShaftoe
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Nevermind Paetreus was in charge of the CIA which has been carrying out ongoing "rendition" (sending prisoners to be boiled alive/ interrogated), executing sorties of drone strikes which have murdered 184 children, and almost 2000 adult civilians, and many more injured and lives wrecked by the fallout. Of course he was just following his oath to the constitution (what's that???) being a "good soldier/Praetorian guard. Nevermind the fact these people are doing the same things that others have been executed for under the Nurenburg trials... Crimes of humanity, pshawww!!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:12 | 2982587 SmallerGovNow2
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Source for your numbers SGT? 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:48 | 2982703 SgtShaftoe
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That was on fucking CNN! Look it up! Fuckall!!! Isn't anyone paying attention?!?!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:40 | 2982458 SillySalesmanQu...
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I hava an ample supply of popcorn and scotch on hand for the shitshow...oh, it's still running...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:37 | 2982663 PLira
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Bub, one can never have an ample supply of alcohol, as it is currently prescribed. Barter item hell, I seem to always be rotating cases.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:02 | 2983412 mvsjcl
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Why rotate? Doesn't it get better with age?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:39 | 2982472 hoos bin pharteen
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It's all about the Bitchez, Bitchez...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:49 | 2982485 Obadiah
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Thier "personal problems" ARE relevant you dumbass

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:00 | 2982533 SgtShaftoe
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He's not in the army anymore. He's a civilian. Having a piece on the side isn't illegal. Who cares who he wants to fuck. However, treason is illegal, and many could be successfully prosecuted for that, but it will never happen.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:17 | 2982597 SmallerGovNow2
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Fucking someone on the side when you are married and have a secret or top secret clearance is a MAJOR problem because you can be blackmailed to reveal secrets when you want no one to find out you have been fucking someone on the side.  You don't know jack shit SGT....  In fact, I don't think you have any military experience at all...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:01 | 2982750 SgtShaftoe
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The mere existence of an organization which keeps secrets that is effectively a private army of the president is a problem. Him being able to be blackmailed is a second or third order problem.

I don't know what to tell you, you want me to write up a fucking OPORD to shove my military ID up your ass, recite troop leading proceedures, or recite my general orders like a fucking private? Sorry buddy.

I was enlisted to E-5 then went to OCS and was an officer, till I resigned over the Iraq war. I'm not giving you my social or my AAFES credit card number. Sorry.

May I recommend Chalmers Johnson's books especially sorrows of empire.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:34 | 2982872 Orly
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Either way, adultery is a triable offence under the military code of conduct, whether former service or retired.

But there was no adultery, so the point is moot.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:54 | 2982936 SgtShaftoe
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As far as I know, there has never been a non-active military officer prosecuted under UCMJ, especially for something so petty. I'd say it's a pretty big stretch. Majors and light colonels that have been in command of units that had fucking photos of their people murdering civilians, pulling their brains out of their heads on the hood of a HUMWVEE, when there was full proof that they were aware of the criminal killing of civilians. They walked... And everybody has got their panties up their ass over some over-hyped 4 star who is fucking someone else???? Oh, the tragedy, oh the children!!! Someone powerful fucking someone else is a surprise?!?! Welcome to reality!!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:23 | 2983020 Jugdish
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ooooo. We know you slept wiith so and so. Do what we say or we'll tell.. ooooooo..

Ya, I fucked her, so what? And her sister.


Blackmail didn't work on David letteman. But then again he's a liberal and it's all relative baby.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:08 | 2982772 oldman
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Is the coup over or on-going?

And if it over---will it boil up again with unexpected news?

I have no idea about any of this, but something is working on me intuitively, anyway.

Thanks, as always          om

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:15 | 2982802 SgtShaftoe
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I don't think it has even started yet. I've heard from friends of full chicken O-6s saying "fuck Obama" in front of their troops. That's a new one for me! If a coup ever happens, and I doubt it, it will be senior NCOs, Colonels and more junior officers that will make it happen. I think a general stand-down (East German style) is more likely, but I could be wrong.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:11 | 2982487 knukles
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I don't interpret what's going on as a mere scandal amongst high ranking military persons.

To me, there seems to be an all of sudden, just coincidental coming together of "problems" with high ranking sorts.  I believe it to be about 6 within the last 3 or so weeks, including the commander of Africom and a flag admiral of a carrier battle group seemingly relieved of his command by his number one and flown immediately to Bremerton Washington.... 
"Incidental" thereto, the FBI has been investigating a number of the same individuals.  Since when do the Feebies worry about Congressional and Military expense accounts, oddities in contractual arangements, etc.?  That's the job of auditors.
These investigations are being said to be of a "Not Personal" nature.  Like theft, lying, misappropriation, etc.  That's personal stuff.
By "not personal" I read that it could be thrown into espionage, treason, whatever.... 
Serious crimes, maybe?

And for example, with Patreaus, as head of the CIA wouldn't one think that his own kind would be minding his six, knowing full well about the Feebies?

Sumptin' stinks.
And seems more than just a few fellas having a bad moment all at once.
They're all of the highest ranks..... all just about at the same time...
They're moved against.

Not the normal intermediate level fall guys, the traders, if you will, these are the Corzines, the Diamons of their world, their establishments.

At a minimum, is it a purge to install loyalists?
Quite a Stalinesque move...
Why would, to what end, would one do that, install loyalists?
What actions contemplated require "loyalists"?

These folks took an oath to the Constitution of the US to defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic....

Sumptin' stinks.

Plus, what better way to misdirect the MSM, letting them gnaw on something salacious like sexual misbehavior amongst the powerful to keep the sleight of hand away from inquiring eyes....

Sumptin' stinks.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:20 | 2982610 SmallerGovNow2
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A point you might be overlooking, all this comes AFTER the elections, and all probably hidden before.  This is a "control the message" administration.  And they did a really damn good job of it...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:26 | 2982629 Uncle Remus
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Things (besides gov't statistics and budgets) just don't add up. The pucker factor is pretty high here at Camp Remus.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:29 | 2982637 A Lunatic
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Thanks for tonight's nightmares knukles...........

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:51 | 2982714 Wasatch
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My thoughts exactly.  Smells like a purge of high ranking military officers.  Maybe there has been some loose talk at the officers club, from some who don't want to wait till the whole mess falls apart.  Remember the movie  "Seven Days in May", with Burt  Lancaster?  Interesting times.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:00 | 2982751 PLira
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This is a Marxist purge of those who won't go along with the plan, imho. Notice how BO is ALWAYS out of the loop? That is for sheeple consumption. Do not be fooled for a fuckin second. Valerie Jarret has the reins of every single thing occuring. She IS the director of this show. Fullon commie to the core as well just like Barky but she runs it for him. He won't fart without her OK.



Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:11 | 2982786 Bohm Squad
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You make a good point...kinda like Orwel's Napolean and the puppies...


Remind me again, what happened with those puppies?!?  

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:19 | 2982821 oldman
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i sense there is a coup underway---it keeps hitting me when I awaken

Is there that much division over the Israelis?

Or is all of this just more chaotic theater? Who is in charge---no one?

My psche seems to be picking up something---it is pretty active since the Petreous resignation; especially so, as more of what you mention above, surfaces.

This feels pretty big and truly important---not like the 'election'

Thanks for lining all of it up so nicely--my questions, too---and I haven't a clue    om

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:37 | 2982887 Orly
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You mean your spider-sense is tingling...while you're in corporeal form, of course?


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:43 | 2982910 oldman
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Of course! thanks for naming it----the times i have been out of body---i do not remember anything about----going into the out of body is just complete peace. that's not what this is

i feel like a five year-old again---this is what is so strange     om

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2982952 Orly
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They pay you for this?

How can I get this job?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:10 | 2982991 oldman
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OK, I'll quit for tonight---I don't know who you are or what you're saying

goodnight orly

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:10 | 2983190 oldman
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It is easy----just take the personality test and if you pass---it's $85.63 every half hour

"Jeanne"               om

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:18 | 2983197 Orly
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Geesch!  Spooks get paid!  Day-uhm.

Best of luck, Jeanne.  We'll see who wins this one!  I am sure you've hedged your bets already.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:11 | 2983325 oldman
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Orly "jeanne" you disappoint for once

No win no loss no game

Don't be such a poor soul

Open up a little, have some imagination, have some fun

there is more around you than you can possibly imagine


in joy                om

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2982954 PLira
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Ya know, I just read some medical Psych/BS aricle that says when your gut feels something fairly substantial, act on it because it's the true way to act. Spidy Sense was actually quoted in the article.

As I think back to my fuckups, so many I can't recall them all, I think there is actually some sense in it.

(I ain't gonna fuckin citation it as it is too much work, I'm semi convinced to act on my gut instincts more and don't give two hoots what you do. Do the work, find it for yerself)

That is all

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:34 | 2983046 Orly
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Okay, Lira, you and oldman go hang out with bancruptcy lawyer by the water cooler tomorrow.

After the animals are scurrying the barnyard looking for cover...

Let me know the tenor of that conversation.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:56 | 2983086 SgtShaftoe
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I've learned not to discount those tingley feelings over the years. Not to get too new age or anything, but there's definitely something to it. Follow your nose, I say. There is probably something to it. We may find out tomorrow. The older I get, and the more i learn, the more I feel I dont know anything.

Read "proof of heaven" - a neurosurgeons journey to the afterlife ( search it on amazon). It I think captures what you're talking about. Interesting stuff.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:15 | 2983132 oldman
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Thanks--the video was pretty interesting; especially from a skeptic's perspective     om

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:06 | 2983966 Bastiat
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Science and Pyschic Phenomena: the Fall of the House of Skeptics, Chris Carter. 

Many decades of experimental proof.  If one can't deal with evidence, with the facts, he/she is the ideologue or the irrational true believer, even if that belief system is the mainstream, materialistic, "scientific" paradigm.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:35 | 2982875 lakecity55
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I think those ka-wham chicks are spies.

Their tits could conceal cameras and microphones.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:56 | 2982956 PLira
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Sounds like cause for a detailed inspection.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:07 | 2982987 Spastica Rex
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Power consolidation.

It stinks, but like like bad lettuce, not rotting meat.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:47 | 2982498 DeadFred
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I can't see this as a huge to-do. There must be other currents at play, the military has always had camp followers.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:53 | 2982516 Everybodys All ...
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Fall of another Empire anyone?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 21:54 | 2982520 Squid Vicious
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Mossad disposed of Petraeus like some garbage in your house that starts to smell ...yawn, what's on the tellytube tonight? 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:03 | 2982548 Jim in MN
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My pathetically constant scanning of information sources tells me they are trying to sink this whole thing out of sight.  It has turned in the past several media cycles and is diving for the deep.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:10 | 2982783 fuu
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Suddenly Hamas, and suddenly Corzine.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:28 | 2982851 PLira
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Which is why, come the collapse, that Propaganda Main Stream Media should be eliminated by Guerrilla Patriots as a primary target ASAP by all means necessary.

Shut off the flow of disinformation and propaganda and winning the hearts and minds of the miserable goes away.

When the .gov shuts off the internet, things will go hot soon after.

Expect a Cybersecurity EO soon.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:42 | 2982639 rhinoblitzing
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My best hunch is this is all a massive cover up re: Benghazi.

The web of lies is getting more complex. Most likely Petraeus took himself out or was taken out because he would not toe the WH line that "It was because of the video" BS.

Obewan today stated that Rice only said what the WH told her when she went on all 5 Sunday talk shows. (I've never seen someone on all 5 shows - ever...) He admitted it... Right then and there at  todays press conference!

The WH gave Rice misleading information - whether she knew it or not - to mislead the nation and the world. Anyone remember how the state dept spent $70,000 on arabic televison to apologize for the video. Het Hillary... what did you know and when did you know it - before or after spending tax payer dollars to inflame our enemies?

Also lost on Sept 11, 2012 - 8 Harrier Jets - story submerged...

Add to the fact that F&F is still smoldering in the background - and you've got an impeachment that is almost a slam dunk - except that it will burst the seams of this fragile patchwork.

Oh yeah.. It;s also a great distraction from all the voter fraud... 140% of a precint reporting in Allen West's district ... just the tip of the iceberg - and a true warrior to fight it. Go West!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:40 | 2982891 Orly
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I didn't hear about the Harriers.  Were they Brit or American?

Got more info?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:52 | 2982934 goodrich4bk
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This story on 9/17, three days after the attack on Camp Bastion.

I'm still trying to get the angle of those criticising our military when attacked.  Are the critics claiming the miliary is incompetent?  That these losses are a sign we should withdraw?  Are they saying we should respond with a military escalation?  If not, what are they suggesting we should do?

And before anybody plays the "we're being attacked because Obama is showing weakness" card, please be prepared to explain the dozen attacks on our diplomatic posts during the Bush administration.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:47 | 2983078 Orly
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"The approximately 15 insurgents, dressed in US Army uniforms, had penetrated the base Friday night and instantly began shooting and setting fire to parked Navy-AV-8B Harrier jets when they were inside. Three refueling stations were severely damaged during the attack."

As if...

"After a drawn-out nighttime battle that made it hard to see the enemy, all but one of the Taliban fighters were killed."


"Camp Bastion is one of the largest and best-defended posts in Afghanistan, making it troubling that the attackers were able to inflict so much damage."

You don't say...

Okay, so they snuck in in US Army uniforms on a Friday night, waited 'til dark and then whipped out their rocket-propelled grenades, completely blowing up six aeroplanes and badly damaging two more.  Eight thirty-million dollar planes.  There was a giant pistol shoot-out but we couldn't see them because the technology we have had since the Korean Conflict was unavailable...but!  We got one of their guys!

Okay, man.

WTF is going on?

Trying to make the commander, General John Allen look bad is my guess.  Panetta pulled the plug on that BS today.  I suppose Allen decided to play ball to keep his command?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:44 | 2982912 goodrich4bk
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If, as you specullate, Petreus refused to "toe the WH line" we'll know soon enough, as he is going to testify.  I'm still trying to figure out the issue here, though.  Let's say the WH wanted to downplay the terrorist angle to take attention off the fact that Benghazi was a CIA operation, not a diplomatic outpost.  What is your angle then?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:12 | 2982996 putaipan
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this is very much about a cia outsider- (read: a none yale /skull and bones military man) and what he has seen regarding the old cia vs. post 9/11 expanded military intelingence v.s the new improved private outsourced "we're not really" cia.  it's spy vs.spy vs.spy ! and that new "gray" one probably doesn't have the u.s. interests' as its top priority.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:41 | 2984157 puckles
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Do not expect Petraeus to say much now as a private citizen.  He has doubtless lawyered up, can invoke the 5th, and remains forever subject to his nondisclosure agreements, closed committee or not.  He is far more protected now than he was on Thursday.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:40 | 2982671 CH1
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Let’s all be concerned with pressuring the politicians to defuse the “fiscal cliff...

You seriously think "pressuring politicians to be reasonable" is a sane action?

No offense, but that's as stupid as petitioning a group of cats to line-up single file.

Dump the state and stop wasting your time.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:39 | 2982673 nah
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200 shoulder fired anti-air missles big


good enuf to start any war

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:45 | 2982695 blindman
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in an unprecedented development the white
queen's pawn took the white queen's knight and
not to be outdone the black king's pawn took
the black king's rook. someone yelled
"shoot me in the face" (and someone did that)
then new pieces were
put back on the board where the previous violations
were observed. the wind and water continued to
build and rise but ever so imperceptibly.
someone lost their face but it was a faceless
person so , there ya go.
so i ask is it 'let us wait and see if there are
grounds for an investigation that might reveal
security leaks' or "Congress’ business once the investigation confirms that national security was not at risk." ? pick one
some people are accustomed to having it both ways, anyway
they want, all the time, "they" are the delusional and to be disappointed at best.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:33 | 2982870 rhinoblitzing
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CNN reporting on these women and thier families.. How did they get so close for so long - What about clearance and background checks...????

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:35 | 2983052 Jugdish
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Like uhh. I can't wait to read her book. "How I fucked and sucked my way to the top" by black-haired bimbo - Foreword by Khwzam

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:39 | 2982890 lakecity55
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Marxist overthrow in 10, 9, 8,

UN blue helmets on the way to deal with Bitter Clingers.

Fire up the crematoriums.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:41 | 2982897 Orly
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Sorry to be the grammar groupie but that would be, "crematoria."


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:54 | 2982939 Cheesy Bastard
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Hate to be the grammar groupie groupie, but either way is correct.

 Definition of crematorium noun (plural crematoria or crematoriums) a place where a dead person’s body is cremated.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:43 | 2983170 toomanyfakecons...
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Who the fuck follows Oxford Engish anymore? I thought that died with the Confederacy.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:58 | 2982947 Yen Cross
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Quite a 'memory'  ORLY!   I would hire you to write my 'auto-biography' , in a

" heart BEAT"!


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:01 | 2982967 Orly
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It was a remark in jest; ironic, as it were, to make light of something so silly when the discussion is about giant things.

I am hardly a grammar groupie.  If I were then Yen Cross would have been fired a long time ago!




Speaking of, how did you trade today, YC?  Your E/A rocketed but it is coming back to earth.  Quite an outlier day, I would say.  Very strange.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:12 | 2983000 Cheesy Bastard
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And I was only trying to (lightly) lampoon the irony.  I also suspect giant things are afoot.  Anyway, have a nice evening all.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:22 | 2983119 Yen Cross
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I was complementing you Orly. 

   I don't kiss and tell. Suffice it to say, I'm ok.  I'm getting very close to stepping into that crazy 'short yen trade'...

  Might buy some gbp in europe... over sold

   You are correct Orly. Literary skills aren't my strong point...



Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:36 | 2983159 Orly
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It was only a joke, YC.  I hope you understand.  :D

Did you see the yen rocket when Noda dissolved parliament?  I though he did that yesterday but I guess not.

I was already out after having taken a good gain on the long from a few days ago.  Then zoom!

Oh well.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:42 | 2983168 Yen Cross
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Lower house of parliament/ and it has been telegraphed for quite some time... It clears the way for unlimited QE.

Noda was the head of finance before P.M. I can't keep track of Japan anymore. Musical chairs/

   I have a thick skin Orly.  Just wanted to let you know you have some good thoughts.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:37 | 2983161 toomanyfakecons...
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You mean grammatical skills. Literary skills are for novelists and the like.



Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:50 | 2983174 Yen Cross
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 Tosser/Wanker   Go pound some confederate sand!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:47 | 2983401 lakecity55
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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:10 | 2982990 PLira
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Ironic and funny you should be the one to post this. Lake City is one of Army Federal Ammunitions production plants.

As for blue helmets, most of the Silhouettes sold at the local gun range have Blue Helmets on them.

What a co ink ki dink.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:53 | 2983400 lakecity55
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You are correct, and thus the handle.

However, I prefer the SS109 penetrator.

More people are familiar with the 55gr, however.

For range use, PMC is about the best you can get. Stay away from the Russian; some people do however keep them for trading.

We joke a lot at ZH, but, I must admit, having studied WW2 for 40 years I see too many things squawking "Danger."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:30 | 2983149 toomanyfakecons...
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Not happening with "a rifle behind every blade of grass". The largest army on earth (and soon to be the most motivated) isn't going out like that.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:59 | 2983407 lakecity55
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You do not know how much I hope and pray that never has to happen.

I am afraid of Balkanization, then an invasion.

With both coasts loaded with blue votes, the only ocean outlets are along the southern tier, same as the Confederacy. If the blue weenies align with UN, China, whatever, Red states would be crushed in between.


Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:40 | 2982894 Mister Minsk
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Everybody wants some! I want some too!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:12 | 2982997 Jugdish
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Hopefully Petraus stuck it in her butt. Chicks like that take it in the butt all the time. It's really a non-issue. The real issue is were they formulating a coup to rescue the country (unlikely) or were they going to be honest about the Bengahzi torture center / weapon smuggling operation. "You can't handle the truth" - Col. Jesup

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:59 | 2983232 q99x2
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First off they'd never have let a black man be president or attorney general for that matter. Women wouldn't be all upitty and voting none neither. Banksters would have been swinging from trees long ago and the only jobs a chinaman would be doing would be building railrods.

But if they were to have to accept the world as it is they would be writing open source software based on the constitution for a country without a federal Government and using bitcoin as the monetary system for the bank of the United States of America.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 03:40 | 2983253 StychoKiller
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Alright, just STOP IT!  This meme of morphing Watergate into a werd that describes the scandal-du-jour is way beyond its expiration date!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:13 | 2983277 AnAnonymous
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"If only the nation’s Founding Fathers could see us now!"

Yeah, what would I dunno Jefferson, for example, who bought land and people on it, think of that?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 06:14 | 2983357 css1971
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Who are you trying to kid? There's no way this is simply an extra marital affair.

The head of the IMF has been replaced.

The prime ministers of Italy, Spain have been replaced.

The head of the ECB has been replaced.

There were arrests of ex army soldiers a few months back inthe US on planning a military coup. Now, 4 star General, director of the CIA has been replaced?

These are power struggles at the top.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:35 | 2984119 puckles
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Not to mention the head of Africom and an admiral plucked out of his command ship in the Gulf. You, sir, are quite correct, and this administration is running scared, IMHO.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:20 | 2983381 williambanzai7
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"Paula Broadwell, Jill Kelley and Natalie Khawan are neither geishas, nor courtesans... perhaps more of a groupie-variety around the military, with aspirations and personal needs – you may include morals – that are none of our business; nor Congress’ business once the investigation confirms that national security was not at risk.  Whatever the nature or level of investigation, such investigations, while in progress, should not be the public’s salacious concern fed by a self-serving media."

Here is what should be one of the public's many concerns.

The kinds of shirtless Internet porn surfers who wear the badge of government investigator and carry on these kinds of salacious data hunting expeditions have been empowered by a raft of incomprehensible emergency laws and regulations to do the same to each and every one of us without any hint of constitutionality.

That these two generals are the victims of Amerikas brave new data big brother is an irony that George Orwell and Akdous Huxley would truly approve of.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:19 | 2983431 Cosimo de Medici
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Yes!  The one thing that hasn't gotten much attention yet---though I did hear one talking head bring it up on CNN---is that very minor threats by Broadwell ("stay away from that guy") were supposedly enough for one (possibly jealous) FBI slug to initiate a complete hack of all of Broadwell's emails.  This is titillation as policy, or rather as excuse to violate basic rights of privacy.

Whatever the outcome of this incident with regard to salacious generals or Benghazi, the one real crime evident so far is the FBI's violation of someone's rights, all at the request of some fame-and-power seeking bimbo nobody who appealed to some dick brain Bureau type.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:56 | 2983405 new game
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hollywood scriptwriters busy imo. dirty white boy gets wick wet while trying to be noble...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:30 | 2983448 nokomarie
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It's "hoi polloi citizenry", not "the hoi polloi citizenry"

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:46 | 2983605 blindman
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PT 1 The Three Stooges In Hoi Polloi (In Color)

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:20 | 2983544 Vooter
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Gee, members of the CIA, FBI and U.S. military are disgusting, trashy PIGS. What a surprise! LOL...why did you THINK people join those organizations?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:44 | 2983600 machineh
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For more prestige than working at the TSA?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:53 | 2984216 Vooter
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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:40 | 2983594 blindman
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Press TV: Why Else Did the CIA Spymaster Resign?
by gordon duff

"To those who have gained a conspiratorial analytical hypothesis when examining the methodologies implemented by the mysterious command authority, the one that ordered the Air Force “stand down” on 9/11, the one that allowed a nuclear bomber to be stolen from Minot Air Force Base, allowing criminal elements in the government to openly take control of the reins of history, we submit the following:

The largely privatized military/intelligence complex, driven by criminalized monopolies in narcotics, banking, oil, arms, pharmaceuticals and human trafficking has, without any question, gained control of the operations of most agencies of government, of all national economies and all media, be it news or entertainment, in the West.

That this range of control, a misinformed electorate confined to voting for political candidates constrained to be no more than actors on a stage, has created a climate where anyone speaking with clarity, not just today, but as long ago as the First World War and every major conflict thereafter, would be labeled a “monster.”
" ......

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