With Over 100,000 Supporting Texas Secession, Ron Paul Weighs In

Tyler Durden's picture

With just 5 days needed for the Texas secession petition to surpass 100,000 signatories, all is not well with the Union...

... actually, not only are things not well with the Union, things are getting worse by the minute, as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades, a process which in itself virtually assures there will be no cliff compromise before the opportunity cost of ending the stand off becomes far too great. And with the option of the Mr. Chairman "getting to work" to fix things, one wonders - is even the market a motivating enough factor given a 20, 30 or even 50% drop in the rearview mirror: after all as the Fed has demonstrated, there is no need for a fiscal compromise to get the S&P to just shy of all time highs. Certainly, even America's politicians are very much aware of this by now (of course, this assumes that Bernanke is still in charge of the market: something we have claimed for two months is very much in question).

Regardless, with the topic of secession on everybody's lips, here is what none other than Ron Paul has said about this suddenly very volatile issue.

Ron Paul: Secession Is an American Principle

 

Ron Paul: This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didn’t call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.

Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.

Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”

Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.

What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.

No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.

But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. It’s not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something that’s voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.

Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I don’t think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. It’s a very American principle, so to me it’s a shame that we can’t discuss this.

You know, it’s interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic that’s “indivisible” and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.

But you know what a lot of people don’t talk about and they really don’t even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.

I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think it’s worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.

No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they can’t do it if the money doesn’t work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesn’t mean that you’ll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.

While this video was originally recorded on 4/19/2009, Ron Paul spokeswoman Rachel Mills confirmed earlier today (11/13/2012) that Ron Paul “feels the same now” about secession as he did in this video.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
TruthInSunshine's picture

If y'all secede, please let me in. I'll come bearing gifts & productivity, I swear!

 

#OptOutOfTheFractionalFiatMentalWard

Kitler's picture

Let's see.

25 million divided by 320 million times $16 trillion is $1.25 trillion.

JoeSexPack's picture

Charleston is nice too.

 

C'mon, South Carolina, you were first last time!

Kitler's picture

Independance?

PRICELESS!

TruthInSunshine's picture

OT, and no, it's not from The Onion, although that's actually hard to believe (incredible headline):

 

Greece Considers a Buyback to Lower Its Debt

 

I see a lot of potential for this model of "broke-dick countries buying back their debt."

Greece, which is insolvent, will (necessarily) borrow funds in order to lower its debt?

Makes perfect sense, really.

Now they just have to figure out from whom to borrow the funds to buy back their own debt given that they are insolvent now and for many, many years to come (yes...I read the article....yes, it's a Ponzi all the same).

BKbroiler's picture

Jesus, what a bunch of maroons.  Seceding? REALLY?  How do you think that would work out for you?  Little country would get looted like a chinese deli on ave D.  Besides, you're all on the teat:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/states-with-most-signatures-to-secede-took-millions-in-federal-money/

aint no fortunate son's picture

I think if Texas seceeded I would want to be sure they would still sell Blue Bell ice cream to us, and let us watch Austin City Limits. Otherwise, ehh...

franzpick's picture

BK: Is your inarticulate major premise that Texans got back more money from the feds than they sent up?

Troll Magnet's picture

Didn't Texas secede already? I thought it was part of Mexico by now?

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Hey, I live in Mexico, too. California, Mexico.

hedgeless_horseman's picture

 

 

....as American society splinters into diametrical opposites to a degree not seen in decades...

 

Everything is bigger in Texas, even diametrical opposites.

Whereas some enjoy the freedom to consume large sweet drinks...

 

...others, like Mrs. Horseman, choose to produce large sweet potatoes.

 

Talleyrand's picture

My compliments to the gardener! Good job, Mrs. H.

Dalago's picture

RP is leading this revolution!!   Fuck whoever wants to take him out.  Even if something from "natural causes" happen there could be a response like no gov't has seen before because The People are fucking 1776 angry,

Manthong's picture

“duty to throw off such government”

..kind of has a nice ring to it.

I read that somewhere.

redpill's picture

If Texas even got remotely close to doing this I'd move there in a fucking heartbeat.

 

rocker's picture

Sarah Palin and husband tried to do it under the Bush administration.  She now lives in Texas. Hmmmm

Surely, she had nothing to do with it. I say, go baby. Take FED Fisher with you.

With all the mexican leaf pickers in Texas. Mexico would welcome you all with open arms. 

I hear that Mexico wants to buy the defunk Cowboys too.  Note: Jerry has to be part of the package. All or none.

Orly's picture

She lives in Arizona, not Texas.  She lives on the 33rd north parallel, by the way, for all you Freemason conspiracy fans out there, in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Coordinates: 33°30?N 111°56?W?

akak's picture

 

She lives in Arizona, not Texas.

And I bet she can see Mexico from her house!

jayman21's picture

I would try to buy land while it was still for sale in FRNs.  Moving here too.  Can you image the capital flow.  No US income tax.  No bullshit MSM owned by DCNYC.  Maybe even ADM and Monsanto can be told to pound sand.

 

A guy can dream

Doña K's picture

Do I need a visa to move to Texas?

redpill's picture

Not now.  But after, you'd need much more than a visa.

smlbizman's picture

i think you need a master card....

1100-TACTICAL-12's picture

Nope a semiauto, 1000 rounds, & a case of beer. come on down ...

AldousHuxley's picture

Texas industries:

  1. Big Oil and enegery
  2. defense military industrial complex
  3. healthcare
  4. cattle

basically commodities and government subsidized industries. Of course they are mad that Obama is cutting defense spending and trying to take down Big Oil.

 

Texas = Saudi Arabia with more military industrial complex.

zhandax's picture

There is also the talent remaining from a fairly substantial tech industry, which, when freed from the federal tax code, could be back in manufacturing mode in short order.

AldousHuxley's picture

manufacturing will return to US once obamacare gives healthcare to low level workers. That's the whole plan to save the midwest manufacturing states....subsidize healthcare  just like Japan did with toyota. Ford's labor cost differentiator is healthcare for workers and retirees.

sessinpo's picture

This is the most ridiculous post as many of your others on other threads. If I have to explain why, then you are to far gone that you wouldn't understand and it would be a waste of time.

 

Then I see your post "manufacturing will return to US once obamacare gives healthcare to low level workers. That's the whole plan to save the midwest manufacturing states....subsidize healthcare  just like Japan did with toyota. Ford's labor cost differentiator is healthcare for workers and retirees"

 

Which comfirms my thought that you are a far to gone liberal to understand anything.

 

Post a reply if you want. I may get back to you, even though I know it will be a waste of time. But currently I am busy making money around the liberalism wealth stealing machine. Dear Lord, if it weren't for hard working conservatives and Libertarians on this planet, Liberals like AldousHuxley wouldn't have a platform to spout their liberal nonsense. The sad part is Ald doesn't even realize that.

 

sessinpo's picture

This is the most ridiculous post as many of your others on other threads. If I have to explain why, then you are to far gone that you wouldn't understand and it would be a waste of time.

 

Then I see your post "manufacturing will return to US once obamacare gives healthcare to low level workers. That's the whole plan to save the midwest manufacturing states....subsidize healthcare  just like Japan did with toyota. Ford's labor cost differentiator is healthcare for workers and retirees"

 

Which comfirms my thought that you are too far gone a liberal to understand anything.

 

Post a reply if you want. I may get back to you, even though I know it will be a waste of time. But currently I am busy making money around the liberalism wealth stealing machine. Dear Lord, if it weren't for hard working conservatives and Libertarians on this planet, Liberals like AldousHuxley wouldn't have a platform to spout their liberal nonsense. The sad part is Ald doesn't even realize that.

 

Martel's picture

Just wait until Monsanto's lawyers pay you a visit.

Imminent Crucible's picture

The Republic of Texas will stop Monsanto thugs at the border and detain them indefinitely without trial.

fuu's picture

I see what you did there Gretchen.

0z's picture

Ahh, they just don't get it. All you have to say and mean is this:

I, (Name), am a sovereign man(woman) and pledge no allegiance to anyone!

There. Done.

(By the way, I am not joking)

Vampyroteuthis infernalis's picture

As they impolitely say in Texas at times, "Fuck y'all, I'm from Texas." I am not from Texas, but these people get most things right.

Michaelwiseguy's picture

This is all Dr Ron Paul's fault. He opened up the Pandora's box of Liberty, and now it's out of control.

What can the Illuminati do to fix it?

Seer's picture

Apparently you've never heard of Vermont...  Folks have been pushing for it there for quite a while now.  Here's a more recent push:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1957743,00.html

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I know about the Free State Project. I was just making a joke.

People who don't like Ron Paul's delivery can go pound sand. They just have to try and listen a little bit harder to what he says.

Do you think Dr Ron Paul just rolls over now and plays dead after what they did to him and the Ron Paul Crew?

 He was looking forward to it. Now he gets to Kill.

Ident 7777 economy's picture

 

 

 

 

MWG writes: " People who don't like Ron Paul's delivery can ..."

 

Oh geez ... you've got to leave the crazy old man alone in peace.

 

Quit painting him with every last hope and aspiration that pops into your, ummm, mind?

 

 

Michaelwiseguy's picture

At this point, Dr Ron Paul doesn't even have to lift a finger. Go pound Sandy I7e.

P.S.

Could you please stop using excessive spaces, it really fucks up the threads?

new game's picture

spent a few days camping in tx with some txns and i'll tell they aint fucking around on this plan.  ya don't mess with a texan.

i would move the fuck out of libtard minnesnota in a fucking heartbeat.  love austin, corp crist, the walk and fucking oil rigs look good to me!

AldousHuxley's picture

wait till you see the real estate tax rate.

 

 

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I live in Florida. State constitutionally can only raise my property taxes 3%/year. I made my $1,010 tax payment on the 2,750sf homestead last week. Thank the Creator I don't live in New Jersey.

AldousHuxley's picture

they can always raise sales taxes then and include food.

 

 

 

 

 

Imminent Crucible's picture

Yo, Hoaxley; I own lakefront real estate in TX and the property taxes are a fraction of New York's or New Joisey's. And no state income tax.

Plus: If you file personal bankruptcy in Texas, your creditors cannot touch your guns, your pickup truck, your tools, your land (100 acres per adult), your horse and saddle, not to mention 12 head of cattle, 60 head of other types of livestock, and 120 chickens, turkeys, etc. It goes without saying that your doublewide is untouchable.

ManOfBliss's picture

Yeah good luck with that when the tax agents come for your payment.

cjbosk's picture

You can only wish you lived in a place as sane as Mexico, as you're living in la-la land of libtardia. I think we should cut off California and kick her broke ass into the drink, green agenda, LBGT clubs and all.

Seer's picture

Homophob, and stupid...

California produces a LOT of food.  You're going to miss it... (BTW - while CA may have internal financing issues I wonder whether it, like a State that I live in once reported [I haven't kept up with this data lately] that it paid more in Fed taxes than it got back; meaning, a net loss in revenue at the Federal level means that others will be asked to pony up MORE).  As always, careful of what you wish for, you may get it.