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Via Mark J. Grant, author of Out of the Box,

Profits
 
“Profits are an opinion of the moment; cash is a fact.”
 
                    -The Wizard
 
As we head into the last of this year and we confront various cliffs; fiscal and European, the threat of rising taxes for individuals and perhaps corporations should not be minimized. It may not be the tax rate for corporations that goes up but it may be new taxes that are appended upon banks, corporations or other business enterprises or sales of goods and services that could be raised. Since those in the White House and those in Congress have as much appreciation for our current situation as a porcupine does of advanced trigonometry; we should all realize that drivel and stupidity could come pouring forth from any legislation and take the time now to make some adjustments. In other words, my friends, don’t be an Ostrich and stick your head in the sand and pretend that it will all go away; a strategy doomed to failure as always.
 
“Profits on the exchange are the treasures of goblins. At one time they may be carbuncle stones, then coals, then diamonds, then flint stones, then morning dew, then tears.”
 
                         -Lope de Vega
 
Investment grade bonds have compressed and profits are up more than 20% this year. The stock market, quite irrationally but never the less, has climbed and escalated in many sectors and higher taxes are to the fore. My best advice of today is to stop and look at your portfolios and take some profits and re-invest the proceeds or take profits and keep cash to be re-invested after the first of the year when we have either bumbled our way out of our predicament or behaved badly and find ourselves in a morass with all of the markets rolling about on their backside. It makes no difference as to your viewpoint and it takes no socially charged adjectives to reach a correct opinion; our President wants more and increased social programs and he wants those with the money to pay for them which is a transference of wealth to affect anyone that is doing well for themselves. He also has borrowed far more than he should with a Fed that is an obvious supporter of his plans and our Congress is deadlocked in a classic struggle between those that have and those who do not and so the responses could be irrational as America confronts its fiscal cliff.
 
“It is a socialist idea that making profits is a vice; I consider the real vice is making losses.”
 
                 -Winston Churchill
 
Now you have one and one-half months to make preparations. Some of you always bemoan the fact that I predict out into the future and not for tomorrow. Perhaps you will appreciate this prediction more and the time that you have to make some rational changes in your portfolios. You have some time for prudent thinking and for good old common sense to take hold and whether equities or bonds; I think it will be the wise move to take some profits now and whether the money is re-invested or held in cash until we see how the elected have washed their hands I think it will be the right move, the smart move, to lock-up some profits now before the gadflies try to slip them into the national purse. Bank, money manager, trust department, pension fund, hedge fund, insurance company; the standard applies. Take some profits before year end and thank your lucky stars next year that you followed my advice.
 
“Nobody ever lost money taking a profit.”
 
                  -Bernard Baruch

 


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Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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No.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Quin you still buyin the dip, hows that goin so far?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Since I started doing it in 2009, after QE1 was announced, and all the people who don't understand how the markets work screamed sell, I have been doing great.

Markets move on easy money.  Enjoy your 150 point DOW dip sponsored by the bankers while you can.  If you remember, they pulled this same stunt at the very bottom then too.  Someday it will be time to sell.  ZIRP, twist, and endless QE says this is not the time.  Don't get Kaminskied. 

http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=YM&p=w1

As you can see at the bottom, the same people says sell are loading the boat even as this dip barely registers on the chart.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment homersimpson
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"ZIRP, twist, and endless QE says this is not the time." Whatever. Tell Japan that..

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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LOL yea no doubt Homer...we'll see who is left with a chair when the music suddenly stops.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment economics9698
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"Our President wants more and increased social programs and he wants those with the money to pay for them which is a transference of wealth to affect anyone that is doing well for themselves." 

 

NWA is goona steal all he can while he can.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and the dow dip is more like a thousand points.  so far.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment economics9698
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The BLS will seasonally adjust that upward.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:39 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Comment screen cap-ed.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Why no? if you were smart and rode the deflationary wave your year is made. Don't be stupid. Unless you have remarkable talent, you're far more likely to lose through the end of the year.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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I regret being the first post here on this thread.  LOL.

Lets just say, I am asset bullish on free money and let the market do the talking. 

Jim Grant has been shorting Treasury bonds forever now.  I have been saying he is wrong because there is no Treasury "market".  The Fed is printing money to set rates to where it wants rates.  Various people have opinions on this currency or that currency.  I have none because there is no currency "market".  All paper money is the same exact thing as long as CBs cooperate to set rates and Fed exchanges USD at whatever rate it sets.  Many people have been calling for a market crash since 2009.  I say no because every market crash has been a banking crisis and we are not going to have one while the entire system is geared to giving banks free money. 

I am not remarkable.  I am just not capable of self delusion.  Free money makes all assets rise and I don't try to find meaning in painted on squiggley lines when it is a waste of time.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment xtop23
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hah.

I went short USD early and took some lumps too ( like Grant not you ) Still booked 13% on the year, overall. I'm a med > long term guy anyway. I just don't have a large enough case of ADD I still like to get laid once in a while.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Iconoclast
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You should have stopped at your first comment, your second simply confirms your ignorance and stupidity...you come across as a USA soccer Mom; doing a bit of day trading between picking up the kids and pilates classes...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment xtop23
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/shrug, I made money, unlike most of the muppets big guy. I'm content.

And oh yeah..............fuck you.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Iconoclast
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my comment wasnt aimed at you...you sound (read) like you're clued up...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Perils of posting from a cell phone. Clued, but far from perfect, and I AM a duffer when it comes to technicals at least. Must be a heavy flow day for me. I'll go change my pad : p 

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Iconoclast
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Peace brother, it was this bit of the original post that irked me; "Free money makes all assets rise and I don't try to find meaning in painted on squiggley lines when it is a waste of time." Kinda true but just so lacking in deep thought as to where that train is gonna de-couple and get wrecked

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Who cares Quin? I mean, you act as if gambling with rigged markets is the only game in town....thats just ridiculous.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment A82EBA
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do you think 1500 +_ is the cap for the 3rd time for the S&P?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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Quinvarious:  I am not remarkable.  I am just not capable of self delusion.

 

That was one of the most self delusional thoughts you could have.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Take anythisg that isn't nailed down....word is taxes are going up.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:59 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Yep, so don't sit there like a stuffed turkey over Christmas waiting to get eaten alive

Stop Paying Tax ...you stuff them or they stuff you.

...there's a no-brainer to vote on.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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"Should government refrain from regulation (taxation), the worthlessness of the money (credits) becomes apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed." -- John Maynard Keynes, "Consequences of Peace."

This may be the only worthwhile thing the current us adminstration accomplishes, a stealth unveiling of the fraud of fiat.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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The earth is awash with fiat/fraud.  Hedge accordingly.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment new game
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got gold, s and w and silver?

what are you wait for?

the price in fiat will rise accordingly.

hedge accordingly...

tick, tick...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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it's a bit more complicated.  I didn't junk you, but in general the true cost of capital creation is about to be reset by the world market, no matter what the political puppets do or don't do.  The Federal Reserve (a private banking cartel) is losing it's grip on interest rates.  The real question for americans is what this cartel will decide to do with their property and assets.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment youngman
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If you wait..you lose...15% now on a 90% value...vs 15% later on a 70% value...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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depends on the investment vehicle

for a truly ugly break-even case look at the entirely possible (if not probable)

15% now 43% later

Ex Inflation, $100,000 in profit now, would require over $197,000 in profit after Jan 1, JUST TO BREAK EVEN

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment jmcadg
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Take paper profits, reinvest in physical assets. 

Sounds prudent to me.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Iconoclast
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Certainly explains why the UK (London) has seen rampant house price inflation at the very top. Flight money and it's 'what the clever people do'; get into anything physical as an asset. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
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thats ok for the paper traders but there's no way I'm digging up my bullion and selling it at $1720

http://bulletsbeansandbullion.blogspot.co.uk/

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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And i'm not diving to the bottom of the lake for my silver.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment fuu
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I got you covered boss.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Better 'take profits' now while the last 'Greater Fool' out there the FED is still buying...may not be the case tomorrow! 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment DOT
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The door to the circle jerk room may be closed and locked today.  The PDs, Treasury, and the Fed are now forming an exclusive threesome.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment peekcrackers
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Lets call it what it really is ... Better take the tax payers paper before there are no tax pay's left

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment Intelligence_In...
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These social programs have got to go, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THEM. This is fiscal insanity.....the fiscal cliff looms...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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No more bailouts, FOR ANY PERSON/CORPORATION!!!!!!!!  

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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Correction, we have all the money you can imagine.  The sooner the government borrows to the point that everyone realizes the fraud represented by the existence of the Federal Reserve, the sooner we can move on to a more fair way of life.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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I recently overheard the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker are bitching about the FED at my local pizza shop. Knowledge is speading. Revolution is in the air.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment A82EBA
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51% of voters disagree

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Yeah, steal from pension funds, nothing wrong with taking a little profit.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
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yeah take someone else's profits even better

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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work that ponzi boyz, WORK IT! it's all in the hips, it's all in the hips...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PbRZ5QMAs0

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Take profits, buy physical - fixed.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment peekcrackers
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right on Law

Fixed 10 fold ... not only in sound money ..in sound ethics .

 

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Jason T
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invest in a wood burning stove. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Stack cow chips.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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She won't allow me to operate one at the present time, so I'm storing one away along with kerosene heaters, lamps, and oodles of kerosene.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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I don't need the handouts to "buy" stuff.....I just do what they do in Hungary, and burn the money to keep warm:

Hungarians burn money to keep warm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW5GzwvnNsI
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:18 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Profits... when the time comes, I damn sure won't be selling (or bartering) my stashes of ammo, booze, and canned chicken at cost!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
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I've got a blog for you:

http://bulletsbeansandbullion.blogspot.co.uk/

 

enjoy

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment wcvarones
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Take some profits and hold it in what? Bernanke Fun Bucks?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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the Fed has done such a supurb job policing the financial markets, that we think they should oversee more of it.  Sounds perfectly sound to me.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-13/geithner-steps-up-pressure-to-make-money-funds-safer.html

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Hmm the water looks enticing today. Euro up, SPY up, even facebook holding it's own. Yes....yes....perhaps I will just put my feet in, those fish are not piranha out there right? The Vix is down, well damn if that is not a green light. What to buy? Ther mortgage reits? Apple? CNBS is playing rap music while they pitch so many companies I can't keep up. I better make a list and get started.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment BBullionaire
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go on. All in on emini with a 5 pip stop!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Before we all get into a tizzy, remember the US Dollar is the currency for global trade - over 60% of it.  The US Dollar is 93.1% weighted against the Euro, Yen, Pound and C-Dollar.  All four of these have peaked.

 

And the US Dollar has bottomed.

 

http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/dollar-daily-today/

 

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment xtop23
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LOL

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Lucius Corneliu...
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The people have spoken.  The shake-down is coming.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:30 | Link to Comment DOT
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Will be watching Treasury soak up all of the Feds liquidity injection today. No more help for the equity markets, Qex is now for the Washington cabal exclusively.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment bullmarket
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How could you have profits by listening to this site. Everyday is the same -SELLLLLL!!!!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment De minimus
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And what part of that strategy don't you understand, given the circumstances?

By all means you should buy, if you are connected in a timely manner to those running things now.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Bicycles and Beer
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Profits! Take them from someone else.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment SmoothCoolSmoke
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Prudent advice for sure.  But Mr. Grant seems willing to ignore the well proven power of the Kick of the Can. Is he right this time?  We'll see.  But I predict the Banksters and their stooges in Congress/WH will find some way..... because they have the ability to RE-WRITE THE RULES OF THE GAME.

But maybe it will all come crashing down......and maybe the next vote by the Greeks is the one that finally screws the Banksters.....maybe.

I will say this....Mr, Grant would look a lot more convincing if his advice was to get short, rather than just take profits.

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment SMG
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Yea but maybe he's not saying short because he's not 100% sure.  Ah, if only the central planners would let us in on the plan.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 11:52 | Link to Comment jmcadg
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Wait too long and you may find no physical available - at any price! 

A rising QE tide and all that - but you've got to be on the right boat.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment The Bernank
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While the potential for fiscal changes in January is concerning, the markets will remain largely unaffected and therefore investor confidence would remain high.  The Federal Reserve stands ready to intervene if necessary to ensure stability in the markets, thus any profit-taking may be ill-advised at this time.  

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