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The Unabridged Ron Paul Guide To Being A Libertarian

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Presented with little comment since whatever we say would likely be superfluous to this all-encompassing speech. The full Ron Paul 'Farewell to Congress' speech and transcript:

...To achieve liberty and peace, two powerful human emotions have to be overcome.  Number one is 'envy' which leads to hate and class warfare.  Number two is 'intolerance' which leads to bigoted and judgmental policies.  These emotions must be replaced with a much better understanding of love, compassion, tolerance and free market economics. Freedom, when understood, brings people together. When tried, freedom is popular.

 

The best chance for achieving peace and prosperity, for the maximum number of people world-wide, is to pursue the cause of LIBERTY...

 

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Farewell to Congress

This may well be the last time I speak on the House Floor.  At the end of the year I’ll leave Congress after 23 years in office over a 36 year period.  My goals in 1976 were the same as they are today:  promote peace and prosperity by a strict adherence to the principles of individual liberty.

It was my opinion, that the course the U.S. embarked on in the latter part of the 20th Century would bring us a major financial crisis and engulf us in a foreign policy that would overextend us and undermine our national security.

To achieve the goals I sought, government would have had to shrink in size and scope, reduce spending, change the monetary system, and reject the unsustainable costs of policing the world and expanding the American Empire.

The problems seemed to be overwhelming and impossible to solve, yet from my view point, just following the constraints placed on the federal government by the Constitution would have been a good place to start.

 

How Much Did I Accomplish?

In many ways, according to conventional wisdom, my off-and-on career in Congress, from 1976 to 2012, accomplished very little.  No named legislation, no named federal buildings or highways—thank goodness.  In spite of my efforts, the government has grown exponentially, taxes remain excessive, and the prolific increase of incomprehensible regulations continues.  Wars are constant and pursued without Congressional declaration, deficits rise to the sky, poverty is rampant and dependency on the federal government is now worse than any time in our history.

All this with minimal concerns for the deficits and unfunded liabilities that common sense tells us cannot go on much longer.  A grand, but never mentioned, bipartisan agreement allows for the well-kept secret that keeps the spending going.  One side doesn’t give up one penny on military spending, the other side doesn’t give up one penny on welfare spending, while both sides support the bailouts and subsidies for the banking and  corporate elite.  And the spending continues as the economy weakens and the downward spiral continues.   As the government continues fiddling around, our liberties and our wealth burn in the flames of a foreign policy that makes us less safe.

The major stumbling block to real change in Washington is the total resistance to admitting that the country is broke. This has made compromising, just to agree to increase spending, inevitable since neither side has any intention of cutting spending.

The country and the Congress will remain divisive since there’s no “loot left to divvy up.”

Without this recognition the spenders in Washington will continue the march toward a fiscal cliff much bigger than the one anticipated this coming January.

I have thought a lot about why those of us who believe in liberty, as a solution, have done so poorly in convincing others of its benefits.  If liberty is what we claim it is- the principle that protects all personal, social and economic decisions necessary for maximum prosperity and the best chance for peace- it should be an easy sell.  Yet, history has shown that the masses have been quite receptive to the promises of authoritarians which are rarely if ever fulfilled.

 

Authoritarianism vs. Liberty

If authoritarianism leads to poverty and war and less freedom for all individuals and is controlled by rich special interests, the people should be begging for liberty.  There certainly was a strong enough sentiment for more freedom at the time of our founding that motivated those who were willing to fight in the revolution against the powerful British government.

During my time in Congress the appetite for liberty has been quite weak; the understanding of its significance negligible.  Yet the good news is that compared to 1976 when I first came to Congress, the desire for more freedom and less government in 2012 is much greater and growing, especially in grassroots America. Tens of thousands of teenagers and college age students are, with great enthusiasm, welcoming the message of liberty.

I have a few thoughts as to why the people of a country like ours, once the freest and most prosperous, allowed the conditions to deteriorate to the degree that they have.

Freedom, private property, and enforceable voluntary contracts, generate wealth.  In our early history we were very much aware of this.  But in the early part of the 20th century our politicians promoted the notion that the tax and monetary systems had to change if we were to involve ourselves in excessive domestic and military spending. That is why Congress gave us the Federal Reserve and the income tax.  The majority of Americans and many government officials agreed that sacrificing some liberty was necessary to carry out what some claimed to be “progressive” ideas. Pure democracy became acceptable.

They failed to recognized that what they were doing was exactly opposite of what the colonists were seeking when they broke away from the British.

Some complain that my arguments makes no sense, since great wealth and the standard of living improved  for many Americans over the last 100 years, even with these new policies.

But the damage to the market economy, and the currency, has been insidious and steady.  It took a long time to consume our wealth, destroy the currency and undermine productivity and get our financial obligations to a point of no return. Confidence sometimes lasts longer than deserved. Most of our wealth today depends on debt.

The wealth that we enjoyed and seemed to be endless, allowed concern for the principle of a free society to be neglected.  As long as most people believed the material abundance would last forever, worrying about protecting a competitive productive economy and individual liberty seemed unnecessary.

 

The Age of Redistribution

This neglect ushered in an age of redistribution of wealth by government kowtowing to any and all special interests, except for those who just wanted to left alone.  That is why today money in politics far surpasses money currently going into research and development and productive entrepreneurial efforts.

The material benefits became more important than the understanding and promoting the principles of liberty and a free market.  It is good that material abundance is a result of liberty but if materialism is all that we care about, problems are guaranteed.

The crisis arrived because the illusion that wealth and prosperity would last forever has ended. Since it was based on debt and a pretense that debt can be papered over by an out-of-control fiat monetary system, it was doomed to fail.  We have ended up with a system that doesn’t produce enough even to finance the debt and no fundamental understanding of why a free society is crucial to reversing these trends.

If this is not recognized, the recovery will linger for a long time.  Bigger government, more spending, more debt, more poverty for the middle class, and a more intense scramble by the elite special interests will continue.

 

We Need an Intellectual Awakening

Without an intellectual awakening, the turning point will be driven by economic law.  A dollar crisis will bring the current out-of-control system to its knees.

If it’s not accepted that big government, fiat money, ignoring liberty, central economic planning, welfarism, and warfarism caused our crisis we can expect a continuous and dangerous march toward corporatism and even fascism with even more loss of our liberties.  Prosperity for a large middle class though will become an abstract dream.

This continuous move is no different than what we have seen in how our financial crisis of 2008 was handled.  Congress first directed, with bipartisan support, bailouts for the wealthy.  Then it was the Federal Reserve with its endless quantitative easing. If at first it doesn’t succeed try again; QE1, QE2, and QE3 and with no results we try QE indefinitely—that is until it too fails.  There’s a cost to all of this and let me assure you delaying the payment is no longer an option.  The rules of the market will extract its pound of flesh and it won’t be pretty.

The current crisis elicits a lot of pessimism.  And the pessimism adds to less confidence in the future.  The two feed on themselves, making our situation worse.

If the underlying cause of the crisis is not understood we cannot solve our problems. The issues of warfare, welfare, deficits, inflationism, corporatism, bailouts and authoritarianism cannot be ignored.  By only expanding these policies we cannot expect good results.

Everyone claims support for freedom.  But too often it’s for one’s own freedom and not for others.  Too many believe that there must be limits on freedom. They argue that freedom must be directed and managed to achieve fairness and equality thus making it acceptable to curtail, through force, certain liberties.

Some decide what and whose freedoms are to be limited.  These are the politicians whose goal in life is power. Their success depends on gaining support from special interests.

 

No More ‘isms’

The great news is the answer is not to be found in more “isms.”  The answers are to be found in more liberty which cost so much less.  Under these circumstances spending goes down, wealth production goes up, and the quality of life improves.

Just this recognition—especially if we move in this direction—increases optimism which in itself is beneficial.  The follow through with sound policies are required which must be understood and supported by the people.

But there is good evidence that the generation coming of age at the present time is supportive of moving in the direction of more liberty and self-reliance. The more this change in direction and the solutions become known, the quicker will be the return of optimism.

Our job, for those of us who believe that a different system than the  one that we have  had for the  last 100 years, has driven us to this unsustainable crisis, is to be more convincing that there is a wonderful, uncomplicated, and moral system that provides the answers.  We had a taste of it in our early history. We need not give up on the notion of advancing this cause.

It worked, but we allowed our leaders to concentrate on the material abundance that freedom generates, while ignoring freedom itself.  Now we have neither, but the door is open, out of necessity, for an answer.  The answer available is based on the Constitution, individual liberty and prohibiting the use of government force to provide privileges and benefits to all special interests.

After over 100 years we face a society quite different from the one that was intended by the Founders.  In many ways their efforts to protect future generations with the Constitution from this danger has failed.  Skeptics, at the time the Constitution was written in 1787, warned us of today’s possible outcome.  The insidious nature of the erosion of our liberties and the reassurance our great abundance gave us, allowed the process to evolve into the dangerous period in which we now live.

 

Dependency on Government Largesse

Today we face a dependency on government largesse for almost every need.  Our liberties are restricted and government operates outside the rule of law, protecting and rewarding those who buy or coerce government into satisfying their demands. Here are a few examples:

  • Undeclared wars are commonplace.
  • Welfare for the rich and poor is considered an entitlement.
  • The economy is overregulated, overtaxed and grossly distorted by a deeply flawed monetary system.
  • Debt is growing exponentially.
  • The Patriot Act and FISA legislation passed without much debate have resulted in a steady erosion of our 4th Amendment rights.
  • Tragically our government engages in preemptive war, otherwise known as aggression, with no complaints from the American people.
  • The drone warfare we are pursuing worldwide is destined to end badly for us as the hatred builds for innocent lives lost and the international laws flaunted. Once we are financially weakened and militarily challenged, there will be a lot resentment thrown our way.
  • It’s now the law of the land that the military can arrest American citizens, hold them indefinitely, without charges or a trial.
  • Rampant hostility toward free trade is supported by a large number in Washington.
  • Supporters of sanctions, currency manipulation and WTO trade retaliation, call the true free traders “isolationists.”
  • Sanctions are used to punish countries that don’t follow our orders.
  • Bailouts and guarantees for all kinds of misbehavior are routine.
  • Central economic planning through monetary policy, regulations and legislative mandates has been an acceptable policy.

 

Questions

Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts many questions:

  • Why are sick people who use medical marijuana put in prison?
  • Why does the federal government restrict the drinking of raw milk?
  • Why can’t Americans manufacturer rope and other products from hemp?
  • Why are Americans not allowed to use gold and silver as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?
  • Why is Germany concerned enough to consider repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York?  Is it that the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?
  • Why do our political leaders believe it’s unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?
  • Why can’t Americans decide which type of light bulbs they can buy?
  • Why is the TSA permitted to abuse the rights of any American traveling by air?
  • Why should there be mandatory sentences—even up to life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?
  • Why have we allowed the federal government to regulate commodes in our homes?
  • Why is it political suicide for anyone to criticize AIPAC ?
  • Why haven’t we given up on the drug war since it’s an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can making our entire society a prison solve the problem?
  • Why do we sacrifice so much getting needlessly involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between Mexico and the US?
  • Why does Congress willingly give up its prerogatives to the Executive Branch?
  • Why does changing the party in power never change policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the same?
  • Why did the big banks, the large corporations, and foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the middle class lost their jobs and their homes?
  • Why do so many in the government and the federal officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?
  • Why do so many accept the deeply flawed principle that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves without totally destroying the principle of liberty?
  • Why can’t people understand that war always destroys wealth and liberty?
  • Why is there so little concern for the Executive Order that gives the President authority to establish a “kill list,” including American citizens, of those targeted for assassination?
  • Why is patriotism thought to be blind loyalty to the government and the politicians who run it, rather than loyalty to the principles of liberty and support for the people? Real patriotism is a willingness to challenge the government when it’s wrong.
  • Why is it is claimed that if people won’t  or can’t take care of their own needs, that people in government can do it for them?
  • Why did we ever give the government a safe haven for initiating violence against the people?
  • Why do some members defend free markets, but not civil liberties?
  • Why do some members defend civil liberties but not free markets? Aren’t they the same?
  • Why don’t more defend both economic liberty and personal liberty?
  • Why are there not more individuals who seek to intellectually influence others to bring about positive changes than those who seek power to force others to obey their commands?
  • Why does the use of religion to support a social gospel and preemptive wars, both of which requires authoritarians to use violence, or the threat of violence, go unchallenged? Aggression and forced redistribution of wealth has nothing to do with the teachings of the world great religions.
  • Why do we allow the government and the Federal Reserve to disseminate false information dealing with both economic and  foreign policy?
  • Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority?
  • Why should anyone be surprised that Congress has no credibility, since there’s such a disconnect between what politicians say and what they do?
  • Is there any explanation for all the deception, the unhappiness, the fear of the future, the loss of confidence in our leaders, the distrust, the anger and frustration?   Yes there is, and there’s a way to reverse these attitudes.  The negative perceptions are logical and a consequence of bad policies bringing about our problems.  Identification of the problems and recognizing the cause allow the proper changes to come easy.

 

Trust Yourself, Not the Government

Too many people have for too long placed too much confidence and trust in government and not enough in themselves.  Fortunately, many are now becoming aware of the seriousness of the gross mistakes of the past several decades.  The blame is shared by both political parties.  Many Americans now are demanding to hear the plain truth of things and want the demagoguing to stop.  Without this first step, solutions are impossible.

Seeking the truth and finding the answers in liberty and self-reliance promotes the optimism necessary for restoring prosperity.  The task is not that difficult if politics doesn’t get in the way.

We have allowed ourselves to get into such a mess for various reasons.

Politicians deceive themselves as to how wealth is produced.  Excessive confidence is placed in the judgment of politicians and bureaucrats.  This replaces the confidence in a free society.  Too many in high places of authority became convinced that only they,   armed with arbitrary government power, can bring about fairness, while facilitating wealth production.  This always proves to be a utopian dream and destroys wealth and liberty.  It impoverishes the people and rewards the special interests who end up controlling both political parties.

It’s no surprise then that much of what goes on in Washington is driven by aggressive partisanship and power seeking, with philosophic differences being minor.

 

Economic Ignorance

Economic ignorance is commonplace.  Keynesianism continues to thrive, although today it is facing healthy and enthusiastic rebuttals.  Believers in military Keynesianism and domestic Keynesianism continue to desperately promote their failed policies, as the economy languishes in a deep slumber.

Supporters of all government edicts use humanitarian arguments to justify them.

Humanitarian arguments are always used to justify government mandates related to the economy, monetary policy, foreign policy, and personal liberty.  This is on purpose to make it more difficult to challenge.  But, initiating violence for humanitarian reasons is still violence.  Good intentions are no excuse and are just as harmful as when people use force with bad intentions.  The results are always negative.

The immoral use of force is the source of man’s political problems.  Sadly, many religious groups, secular organizations, and psychopathic authoritarians endorse government initiated force to change the world.  Even when the desired goals are well-intentioned—or especially when well-intentioned—the results are dismal.  The good results sought never materialize.  The new problems created require even more government force as a solution.  The net result is institutionalizing government initiated violence and morally justifying it on humanitarian grounds.

This is the same fundamental reason our government  uses force  for invading other countries at will, central economic planning at home, and the regulation of personal liberty and habits of our citizens.

It is rather strange, that unless one has a criminal mind and no respect for other people and their property, no one claims it’s permissible to go into one’s neighbor’s house and tell them how to behave, what they can eat, smoke and drink or how to spend their money.

Yet, rarely is it asked why it is morally acceptable that a stranger with a badge and a gun can do the same thing in the name of law and order.  Any resistance is met with brute force, fines, taxes, arrests, and even imprisonment. This is done more frequently every day without a proper search warrant.

 

No Government Monopoly over Initiating Violence

Restraining aggressive behavior is one thing, but legalizing a government monopoly for initiating aggression can only lead to exhausting liberty associated with chaos, anger and the breakdown of civil society.  Permitting such authority and expecting saintly behavior from the bureaucrats and the politicians is a pipe dream.  We now have a standing army of armed bureaucrats in the TSA, CIA, FBI, Fish and Wildlife, FEMA, IRS, Corp of Engineers, etc. numbering over 100,000.  Citizens are guilty until proven innocent in the unconstitutional administrative courts.

Government in a free society should have no authority to meddle in social activities or the economic transactions of individuals. Nor should government meddle in the affairs of other nations. All things peaceful, even when controversial, should be permitted.

We must reject the notion of prior restraint in economic activity just we do in the area of free speech and religious liberty. But even in these areas government is starting to use a backdoor approach of political correctness to regulate speech-a dangerous trend. Since 9/11 monitoring speech on the internet is now a problem since warrants are no longer required.

 

The Proliferation of Federal Crimes

The Constitution established four federal crimes.  Today the experts can’t even agree on how many federal crimes are now on the books—they number into the thousands.  No one person can comprehend the enormity of the legal system—especially the tax code.  Due to the ill-advised drug war and the endless federal expansion of the criminal code we have over 6 million people under correctional suspension, more than the Soviets ever had, and more than any other nation today, including China.  I don’t understand the complacency of the Congress and the willingness to continue their obsession with passing more Federal laws.  Mandatory sentencing laws associated with drug laws have compounded our prison problems.

The federal register is now 75,000 pages long and the tax code has 72,000 pages, and expands every year.  When will the people start shouting, “enough is enough,” and demand Congress cease and desist.

 

Achieving Liberty

Liberty can only be achieved when government is denied the aggressive use of force.  If one seeks liberty, a precise type of government is needed.  To achieve it, more than lip service is required.

Two choices are available.

  1. A government designed to protect liberty—a natural right—as its sole objective.  The people are expected to care for themselves and reject the use of any force for interfering with another person’s liberty.  Government is given a strictly limited authority to enforce contracts, property ownership, settle disputes, and defend against foreign aggression.
  2. A government that pretends to protect liberty but is granted power to arbitrarily use force over the people and foreign nations.  Though the grant of power many times is meant to be small and limited, it inevitably metastasizes into an omnipotent political cancer.  This is the problem for which the world has suffered throughout the ages.  Though meant to be limited it nevertheless is a 100% sacrifice of a principle that would-be-tyrants find irresistible.  It is used vigorously—though incrementally and insidiously.  Granting power to government officials always proves the adage that:  “power corrupts.”

Once government gets a limited concession for the use of force to mold people habits and plan the economy, it causes a steady move toward tyrannical government.  Only a revolutionary spirit can reverse the process and deny to the government this arbitrary use of aggression.  There’s no in-between.  Sacrificing a little liberty for imaginary safety always ends badly.

Today’s mess is a result of Americans accepting option #2, even though the Founders attempted to give us Option #1.

The results are not good.  As our liberties have been eroded our wealth has been consumed.  The wealth we see today is based on debt and a foolish willingness on the part of foreigners to take our dollars for goods and services. They then loan them back to us to perpetuate our debt system.  It’s amazing that it has worked for this long but the impasse in Washington, in solving our problems indicate that many are starting to understand the seriousness of the world -wide debt crisis and the dangers we face. The longer this process continues the harsher the outcome will be.

 

The Financial Crisis Is a Moral Crisis

Many are now acknowledging that a financial crisis looms but few understand it’s, in reality, a moral crisis.  It’s the moral crisis that has allowed our liberties to be undermined and permits the exponential growth of illegal government power.  Without a clear understanding of the nature of the crisis it will be difficult to prevent a steady march toward tyranny and the poverty that will accompany it.

Ultimately, the people have to decide which form of government they want; option #1 or option #2.  There is no other choice.  Claiming there is a choice of a “little” tyranny is like describing pregnancy as a “touch of pregnancy.”  It is a myth to believe that a mixture of free markets and government central economic planning is a worthy compromise.  What we see today is a result of that type of thinking.  And the results speak for themselves.

 

A Culture of Violence

American now suffers from a culture of violence.  It’s easy to reject the initiation of violence against one’s neighbor but it’s ironic that the people arbitrarily and freely anoint government officials with monopoly power to initiate violence against the American people—practically at will.

Because it’s the government that initiates force, most people accept it as being legitimate.  Those who exert the force have no sense of guilt.  It is believed by too many that governments are morally justified in initiating force supposedly to “do good.”  They incorrectly believe that this authority has come from the “consent of the people.”  The minority, or victims of government violence never consented to suffer the abuse of government mandates, even when dictated by the majority.  Victims of TSA excesses never consented to this abuse.

This attitude has given us a policy of initiating war to “do good,” as well. It is claimed that war, to prevent war for noble purposes, is justified.  This is similar to what we were once told that:  “destroying a village to save a village” was justified.  It was said by a US Secretary of State that the loss of 500,000 Iraqis, mostly children, in the 1990s, as a result of American bombs and sanctions, was “worth it” to achieve the “good” we brought to the Iraqi people.  And look at the mess that Iraq is in today.

Government use of force to mold social and economic behavior at home and abroad has justified individuals using force on their own terms.  The fact that violence by government is seen as morally justified, is the reason why violence will increase when the big financial crisis hits and becomes a political crisis as well.

First, we recognize that individuals shouldn’t initiate violence, then we give the authority to government.   Eventually, the immoral use of government violence, when things goes badly, will be used to justify an individual’s “right” to do the same thing. Neither the government nor individuals have the moral right to initiate violence against another yet we are moving toward the day when both will claim this authority.  If this cycle is not reversed society will break down.

When needs are pressing, conditions deteriorate and rights become relative to the demands and the whims of the majority.  It’s then not a great leap for individuals to take it upon themselves to use violence to get what they claim is theirs.  As the economy deteriorates and the wealth discrepancies increase—as are already occurring— violence increases as those in need take it in their own hands to get what they believe is theirs.  They will not wait for a government rescue program.

When government officials wield power over others to bail out the special interests, even with disastrous results to the average citizen, they feel no guilt for the harm they do. Those who take us into undeclared wars with many casualties resulting, never lose sleep over the death and destruction their bad decisions caused. They are convinced that what they do is morally justified, and the fact that many suffer   just can’t be helped.

When the street criminals do the same thing, they too have no remorse, believing they are only taking what is rightfully theirs.  All moral standards become relative.  Whether it’s bailouts, privileges, government subsidies or benefits for some from inflating a currency, it’s all part of a process justified by a philosophy of forced redistribution of wealth.  Violence, or a threat of such, is the instrument required and unfortunately is of little concern of most members of Congress.

Some argue it’s only a matter of “fairness” that those in need are cared for. There are two problems with this. First, the principle is used to provide a greater amount of benefits to the rich than the poor. Second, no one seems to be concerned about whether or not it’s fair to those who end up paying for the benefits. The costs are usually placed on the backs of the middle class and are hidden from the public eye. Too many people believe government handouts are free, like printing money out of thin air, and there is no cost. That deception is coming to an end. The bills are coming due and that’s what the economic slowdown is all about.

Sadly, we have become accustomed to living with the illegitimate use of force by government.  It is the tool for telling the people how to live, what to eat and drink, what to read and how to spend their money.

To develop a truly free society, the issue of initiating force must be understood and rejected.  Granting to government even a small amount of force is a dangerous concession.

 

Limiting Government Excesses vs. a Virtuous Moral People

Our Constitution, which was intended to limit government power and abuse, has failed.  The Founders warned that a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people.  The current crisis reflects that their concerns were justified.

Most politicians and pundits are aware of the problems we face but spend all their time in trying to reform government.  The sad part is that the suggested reforms almost always lead to less freedom and the importance of a virtuous and moral people is either ignored, or not understood. The new reforms serve only to further undermine liberty.  The compounding effect has given us this steady erosion of liberty and the massive expansion of debt.  The real question is: if it is liberty we seek, should most of the emphasis be placed on government reform or trying to understand what “a virtuous and moral people” means and how to promote it. The Constitution has not prevented the people from demanding handouts for both rich and poor in their efforts to reform the government, while ignoring the principles of a free society. All branches of our government today are controlled by individuals who use their power to undermine liberty and enhance the welfare/warfare state-and frequently their own wealth and power.

If the people are unhappy with the government performance it must be recognized that government is merely a reflection of an immoral society that rejected a moral government of constitutional limitations of power and love of freedom.

If this is the problem all the tinkering with thousands of pages of new laws and regulations will do nothing to solve the problem.

It is self-evident that our freedoms have been severely limited and the apparent prosperity we still have, is nothing more than leftover wealth from a previous time.  This fictitious wealth based on debt and benefits from a false trust in our currency and credit, will play havoc with our society when the bills come due.  This means that the full consequence of our lost liberties is yet to be felt.

But that illusion is now ending.  Reversing a downward spiral depends on accepting a new approach.

Expect the rapidly expanding homeschooling movement to play a significant role in the revolutionary reforms needed to build a free society with Constitutional protections. We cannot expect a Federal government controlled school system to provide the intellectual ammunition to combat the dangerous growth of government that threatens our liberties.

The internet will provide the alternative to the government/media complex that controls the news and most political propaganda. This is why it’s essential that the internet remains free of government regulation.

Many of our religious institutions and secular organizations support greater dependency on the state by supporting war, welfare and corporatism and ignore the need for a virtuous people.

I never believed that the world or our country could be made more free by politicians, if the people had no desire for freedom.

Under the current circumstances the most we can hope to achieve in the political process is to use it as a podium to reach the people to alert them of the nature of the crisis and the importance of their need to assume responsibility for themselves, if it is liberty that they truly seek.  Without this, a constitutionally protected free society is impossible.

If this is true, our individual goal in life ought to be for us to seek virtue and excellence and recognize that self-esteem and happiness only comes from using one’s natural ability, in the most productive manner possible, according to one’s own talents.

Productivity and creativity are the true source of personal satisfaction. Freedom, and not dependency, provides the environment needed to achieve these goals. Government cannot do this for us; it only gets in the way. When the government gets involved, the goal becomes a bailout or a subsidy and these cannot provide a sense of  personal achievement.

Achieving legislative power and political influence should not be our goal. Most of the change, if it is to come, will not come from the politicians, but rather from individuals, family, friends, intellectual leaders and our religious institutions.  The solution can only come from rejecting the use of coercion, compulsion, government commands, and aggressive force, to mold social and economic behavior.  Without accepting these restraints, inevitably the consensus will be to allow the government to mandate economic equality and obedience to the politicians who gain power and promote an environment that smothers the freedoms of everyone. It is then that the responsible individuals who seek excellence and self-esteem by being self-reliance and productive, become the true victims.

 

Conclusion                                                                                                                                                    

What are the greatest dangers that the American people face today and impede the goal of a free society? There are five.

1. The continuous attack on our civil liberties which threatens the rule of law and our ability to resist the onrush of tyranny.               

2. Violent anti-Americanism that has engulfed the world. Because the phenomenon of “blow-back” is not understood or denied, our foreign policy is destined to keep us involved in many wars that we have no business being in. National bankruptcy and a greater threat to our national security will result.                                                         

3. The ease in which we go to war, without a declaration by Congress, but accepting international authority from the UN or NATO even for preemptive wars, otherwise known as aggression.                                        

4. A financial political crisis as a consequence of excessive debt, unfunded liabilities, spending, bailouts, and gross discrepancy in wealth distribution going from the middle class to the rich. The danger of central economic planning, by the Federal Reserve must be understood.                                               

 5. World government taking over  local and US sovereignty by getting involved in the issues of war, welfare, trade, banking,  a world currency, taxes, property ownership, and private ownership of guns.

Happily, there is an answer for these very dangerous trends.                                                     

What a wonderful world it would be if everyone accepted the simple moral premise of rejecting all acts of aggression.  The retort to such a suggestion is always:  it’s too simplistic, too idealistic, impractical, naïve, utopian, dangerous, and unrealistic to strive for such an ideal.

The answer to that is that for thousands of years the acceptance of government force, to rule over the people, at the sacrifice of liberty, was considered moral and the only available option for achieving peace and prosperity.

What could be more utopian than that myth—considering the results especially looking at the state sponsored killing, by nearly every government during the 20th Century, estimated to be in the hundreds of millions.  It’s time to reconsider this grant of authority to the state.

No good has ever come from granting monopoly power to the state to use aggression against the people to arbitrarily mold human behavior.  Such power, when left unchecked, becomes the seed of an ugly tyranny.  This method of governance has been adequately tested, and the results are in: reality dictates we try liberty.

The idealism of non-aggression and rejecting all offensive use of force should be tried.  The idealism of government sanctioned violence has been abused throughout history and is the primary source of poverty and war.  The theory of a society being based on individual freedom has been around for a long time.  It’s time to take a bold step and actually permit it by advancing this cause, rather than taking a step backwards as some would like us to do.

Today the principle of habeas corpus, established when King John signed the Magna Carta in 1215, is under attack. There’s every reason to believe that a renewed effort with the use of the internet that we can instead advance the cause of liberty by spreading an uncensored message that will serve to rein in government authority and challenge the obsession with war and welfare.

What I’m talking about is a system of government guided by the moral principles of peace and tolerance.

The Founders were convinced that a free society could not exist without a moral people.  Just writing rules won’t work if the people choose to ignore them.  Today the rule of law written in the Constitution has little meaning for most Americans, especially those who work in Washington DC.

Benjamin Franklin claimed “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.”  John Adams concurred:  “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people.  It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

A moral people must reject all violence in an effort to mold people’s beliefs or habits.

A society that boos or ridicules the Golden Rule is not a moral society.  All great religions endorse the Golden Rule.  The same moral standards that individuals are required to follow should apply to all government officials.  They cannot be exempt.

The ultimate solution is not in the hands of the government.

The solution falls on each and every individual, with guidance from family, friends and community.

The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow.  This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society.  If we can achieve this, then the government will change.

It doesn’t mean that political action or holding office has no value. At times it does nudge policy in the right direction. But what is true is that when seeking office is done for personal aggrandizement, money or power, it becomes useless if not harmful. When political action is taken for the right reasons it’s easy to understand why compromise should be avoided. It also becomes clear why progress is best achieved by working with coalitions, which bring people together, without anyone sacrificing his principles.

Political action, to be truly beneficial, must be directed toward changing the hearts and minds of the people, recognizing that it’s the virtue and morality of the people that allow liberty to flourish.

The Constitution or more laws per se, have no value if the people’s attitudes aren’t changed.

To achieve liberty and peace, two powerful human emotions have to be overcome.  Number one is “envy” which leads to hate and class warfare.  Number two is “intolerance” which leads to bigoted and judgmental policies.  These emotions must be replaced with a much better understanding of love, compassion, tolerance and free market economics. Freedom, when understood, brings people together. When tried, freedom is popular.

The problem we have faced over the years has been that economic interventionists are swayed by envy, whereas social interventionists are swayed by intolerance of habits and lifestyles. The misunderstanding that tolerance is an endorsement of certain activities, motivates many to legislate moral standards which should only be set by individuals making their own choices. Both sides use force to deal with these misplaced emotions. Both are authoritarians. Neither endorses voluntarism.  Both views ought to be rejected.

I have come to one firm conviction after these many years of trying to figure out “the plain truth of things.”  The best chance for achieving peace and prosperity, for the maximum number of people world-wide, is to pursue the cause of LIBERTY.

If you find this to be a worthwhile message, spread it throughout the land.

 


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Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Ohhh mannn/ sighs

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Aziz
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He literally called Congress a bunch of psychopathic authoritarians.

10/10 Ron, 10/10.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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absolutely brilliant.  founding fathers good.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:03 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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Fuck You Mr. Paul..  Go Die in irrelevance.

You had your chance. You could have done something, anything..  you didn't.

As head of the banking committee you could have called anyone...  ANYONE, before you and skewered them with what you know.

 

But you didn't.

 

You sat there like a puppet ant took it..

 

Fuck You. for your service..

fuck you very much.

 

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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:16 | Link to Comment redpill
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Read it.

Remember it.

Quote it in years to come when some dumbfuck claims "no one saw it coming."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I was inspired by Dr Ron Paul to write this. It's a derivation of the Mayer Amschel Rothschild quote, "Give me control of a Nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.";

"I will steal the majority of peoples money, wealth, and ability to prosper by owning the money supply and making the monetary rules myself." - Dr. Evil

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Read it, remember it,

act it,

founding fathers good.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:57 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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So Ron Paul's big contribution after all these years on the government dole is: people should follow the golden rule & liberty is good. 

Wow!! Earth shattering! Thank God he's managed this insight after having zero affect on anything while in office. 

"The major stumbling block to real change in Washington is the total resistance to admitting that the country is broke."

USA is not broke, this is a ridiculous thing people keep saying. The USA is one of the richest countries in the world and they have by far the largest military. What's more valuable, the resources contained on the landmass of the USA + the largest military in the world or 16T in USD?

"If authoritarianism leads to poverty and war" 

'If' being the key here. Every society has poverty and war - criticizing authoritarianism in such childish terms doesn't help the cause. People can turn around and say "hey look at China's growth" and then the only counter argument people come up with; while just WAIT, they're going down!! 

"I have a few thoughts as to why the people of a country like ours, once the freest and most prosperous"

Freest? For white men?

"Freedom, private property, and enforceable voluntary contracts, generate wealth."

Nope, control of resources creates wealth - particularly natural resources. Not a coincidence that when the USA has been the most prosperous nation on earth its had cheap abundant domestic oil.

"That is why today money in politics far surpasses money currently going into research and development and productive entrepreneurial efforts."

False.

"If the people are unhappy with the government performance it must be recognized that government is merely a reflection of an immoral society"

Totally ridiculous. How about the government doesn't represent the will of the people and instead represents the will of the elite $ class (something which is abundantly clear)? 

"Expect the rapidly expanding homeschooling movement to play a significant role in the revolutionary reforms needed to build a free society with Constitutional protections." 

Such a joke not worth going into.

"self-esteem and happiness only comes from using one’s natural ability, in the most productive manner possible, according to one’s own talents."

A nice sentiment, how exactly to achieve it Mr. Paul?? 

"This method of governance has been adequately tested, and the results are in: reality dictates we try liberty."

Another nice sentiment, see above. 

 

So Paul leaves office just like he came into it; a bunch of feel-good platitudes and abstract references to embracing liberty with no real affect on any substantive change. 

Oh well, better than making things abundantly worse I guess. 

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:58 | Link to Comment redpill
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Excuse me, shitface, what exactly do you think a lone congressman could have done that he didn't do?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:29 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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The funny thing is one of RP's central arguments is that an expectation of getting money from the gov for doing nothing is creating a vicious cycle of moral decay.

And here he is 23 yrs in congress accomplishing nothing yet being paid handsomely for it. By the gov no less!

No irony there..

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:55 | Link to Comment redpill
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You do realize he has refused to participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension system, right?  And as for accomplishments, there's no shortage of people who will attest to how effectively he has promoted the message of liberty.  Just by insisting on keeping this message in the dialogue he has probably accomplished more POSITIVE things than the rest of Congress combined.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:59 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"You do realize he has refused to participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension system, right?"

By now everyone on zh is likely aware of this.

"Just by insisting on keeping this message in the dialogue he has probably accomplished more POSITIVE things than the rest of Congress combined."

This was the same argument used to justify Obama's Nobel win, never mind accomplisments look at all the lip service! 

As far as what "positive" impact all this talk has had; is US monetary policy more OR less loose since RP joined congress? Are civil liberties weaker OR stronger? Is the MIC better OR worse funded?

Talk is for free  or in the case of RP, the lip service to liberty is $175,000 /yr paid by taxpayers. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 03:11 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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We already won. This is what we did to make our point. That's how much power we already have. Get over it.

www.myspace.com/video/vid/109079927

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:12 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Recommendation;

"The Council on Foreign War Making" needs to be eliminated.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 06:31 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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WUWT-TV’s answer to Al Gore’s ‘Dirty Weather Report’ is ON THE AIR

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/14/wuwt-tvs-answer-to-al-gores-dirty-weather-report-is-on-the-air/#more-74298

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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and so it begins, the professional troll techniques,

position at the top of threads, no posts after halfway down

reply to yourself to take up as much screen space as possible.

Michael's back.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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But there is no one commenting at 4AM, so I use some threads as my personal journal. I only comment on less than 10% of the threads.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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Then we need to learn what the successor is called. Groups of people are not the problem. Some will always have more power and influence than others.

Individual people making choices create the way we live.

As long as most people don't want to look, or don't care enough to act, we will have more slavery. When more people choose to think and act for themselves, we will have more freedom.

Pay it forward. Talk to each person as an individual. Freedom will flourish again.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Nice attempt to paint the message by association. Is the best propaganda device you have at your disposal? Ron Paul has educated two generations of Americans on the benefits of liberty and the transgressions of their government. Could he have been this effective from his office in Texas? I think not.

His books on banking and sound money have influenced millions. 

Considering what I get from all the other members of the government, Ron Paul has been a boon to America.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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Ron Paul has accomplished much, he helped wake me up and many others like me.  If he was more charismatic he would have been able to accomplish even more.  All it will take for him to seal his legacy is for one or two of those he helped wake up to take his message to people in a more charismatic way and grow the liberty movement.  This will not be possible until things get much worse and folks are casting about for answers.  Hard to effect lasting change without a crisis to make it a requirement.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment nugjuice
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The ironic thing is that you're an idiot, but Ron Paul is the only person in the gov't who would support your right to be one...yet here you are bashing him.

The difference between Ron Paul and Obama is that Obama actually has the ability to effect a change. To those whom much is given, much is expected. RP did what he could within his constitutional authority to effect change. If he had been given the keys to the Oval office, like Obama had, he would have done a hell of a lot more. You're comparing apples to oranges.

And $175,000/year is a joke. Are you acting like this is a lot of money to pay a man with a Doctorate from Duke University? A man with decades of medical experience? A man who served as a flight surgeon in the military for 8 years before dedicating the rest of his life to protecting the liberties of those around him? A man who is an expert on the constitution and a brilliant economist?

For God's sake $175,000 isn't even the median income in NYC area for a trader with a Bachelor's degree.

Your ignorance is astounding.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:28 | Link to Comment SeattleBruce
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"accomplishing nothing"

And need we ask what YOU'VE done for the cause of liberty?  Please enlighten us as to your moral superiorty to Paul.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Hmmm ... he posted "nothing".

 

Is that honesty or what?

 

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Apparently, your idea of accomplishing something entails deficit spending, debt creation, draconian laws and unconstitutional warfare that kills and handicaps our nation's youth. It is Ron Paul's willingness to NOT accomplish these types of problems that I applaude.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:13 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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You really have to have an IQ above 100 to understand what Dr Paul is talking about. Stop drinking the fluoridated water.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:49 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I found a good use for the Liberal Progressers with psudo-mental disorders.

Pick this insane psychotic control freak shit apart if you feel you are a match for them. We don't have to relive the Book of Isaiah over and over again that happened only once, century in and century out, as prescribed and promoted by our Illuminati and secret society owners. I'd like to see a claymation death match on TV of these two groups going at it.

This is NOT how the Creator mechanism works.

http://youtu.be/wApL8YWP7KE

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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" ... the Creator mechanism ... "

 

Inventing new terms out of then air? ('shades of Jared Loughner' one might be tempted to connect the dots and conclude)

 


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment PLira
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Don't you paid shills have something else to dwell on?

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:42 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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How do you think we 'advance' and make the next pay grade? 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Any person that thinks the sum total of debt held by America is 16T has failed to do their homework. This is typical of the uninformed. If you just add the sum from Sanders report we find over 29T, but wait, there is the FED balance sheet which has been left dark- that RP did get approval from the house to audit, that adds even more. Current projections place family assets at 100,000 dollars, yet family debt at 500,000 dollars. Is this your idea of richest country in the world?

Every country has poverty and war because every country has a government that eschews liberty and takes its' commands from a central bank. How could you have missed this simple insight?

The control of resources are useful, but without a freely functioning market, all value will fall to the hands of a few elites. Your ignorance of common economic principles is astounding for such a know it all.

Governments are a reflection of democratic societies. Majority rule enforces majority tyranny. Any simple student of government knows this. It is why the Constitution dispersed power in the way it did. The Elite's commitment to change this  was purposeful, but it still illuminates the immorality of those that seek to destroy liberty. 

What RP is telling you is that government in its' present guise is a failure and will always be a failure. Therefore, THE PEOPLE must be willing to try something new. Since the impetus will never come from said government, if we want something different, IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT MUST DEMAND OR CREATE THE CHANGE.

Rarely do we hear these words from our "leaders". This is the importance of Ron Paul's speech- it is placed on the Congressional record for all to see and read. Sen. Lindbergh Sr. was another noteworthy patriot that attempted to educate America during the time of the creation of the FED. His books were confiscated by the government and the plates destroyed before they could be printed (they are available on the internet). He similarly was considered ineffectual. 

The last thing RP would want you to take from this speech is personal faded glory. RP is about liberty- THIS IS THE MAIN TAKEAWAY HERE. If you don't see that, you are as blind as the Elites have made you.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"Any person that thinks the sum total of debt held by America is 16T has failed to do their homework."

I didn't say that. Whatever number of USD you would like to use, 30T, 40T - whatever - is irrelevant, it's not more valuable than what is contained within the landmass of the USA or the value of having the largest / most powerful military in the world. 

"Every country has poverty and war because every country has a government that eschews liberty and takes its' commands from a central bank."

Nonsense, throughout all of human history there has been poverty and war. Put two human beings near each other and they'll eventually find something to fight about. 

"The control of resources are useful, but without a freely functioning market, all value will fall to the hands of a few elites."

Could these elites be the same people who control the resources? lol

"Governments are a reflection of democratic societies."

Nope. "He killed my ma, he killed my pa, but I will vote for him."

"IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT MUST DEMAND OR CREATE THE CHANGE."

A regularly employed empty statement. 

"RP is about liberty"

Again, meaningless. Obama is "about peace" right? 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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USA is not broke, this is a ridiculous thing people keep saying. The USA is one of the richest countries in the world and they have by far the largest military. What's more valuable, the resources contained on the landmass of the USA + the largest military in the world or 16T in USD?

Is that your 16T at the end of the paragraph?

As for our military, you mean the one that could barely hold three cities in Iraq? At the cost of a trillion a year? What measure of power do you mean? Do we ever confront major powers? So, you mean it's great to be a bully and pick on the little countries where we are guaranteed a win? Except Vietnam, which kicked our ass or maybe North Korea? Thank god we never approach any adversary without a huge advantage in technology and weapons, because otherwise- we might just lose. As for largest, that honor goes to China. 

Actually, there is plenty of history without war and poverty. However, it usually occurs in the presense of government. Further, wars started much later. As pastoral societies, there were small battles and theft, but never war. It took government to create war. Of course, you could provide an example? As a student of history, I look forward to your reply. 

If you need proof of pastoral societies (India, Africa, South America, China and many colonies), they are in every history book. 

Since we haven't had a free market system, then yes, the Elites do control them. Government merely makes it easier for them by raising barriers to entry. Do you know nothing of economics? 

He killed my ma? Talk about nonsensical. 

It may be regularly employed, but it still remains true. Through education, Ron Paul hopes to do something about it, which he has observed in the youth of the nation. Nothing empty about that. Did you read the speech? 

There is nothing meaningless about liberty. Your statement demonstrates an immature mind and inability to produce a real argument. Liberty was the foundation of the Constitution, your ignorance is apalling.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:43 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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"As for our military, you mean the one that could barely hold three cities in Iraq?"

The point was that anyone who wanted to get their money out of the US or take over American resources would have a very difficult time doing so without the cooperation of the American government. And as far as 'largest' I meant $ value - the only worthwhile metric. 

"Actually, there is plenty of history without war and poverty. However, it usually occurs in the presense of government. Further, wars started much later. As pastoral societies, there were small battles and theft, but never war."

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare

"Beginning around 12,000 BC, combat was transformed by the development of bowsmaces, and slings. The bow seems to have been the most important weapon in the development of early warfare, in that it enabled attacks to be launched with far less risk to the attacker when compared to the risk involved in the use of mêlée combat weaponry."

"What is common among those groups that remain and fight frequently is that warfare is highly ritualized, with a number of taboos and practices in place that limit the number of casualties and the duration of a conflict, a situation known as endemic warfare.[citation needed] Among tribal societies engaging in endemic warfare, conflict may escalate to actual warfare every generation or so, for various reasons such as population pressure or conflict over resources, but also for no readily understandable reason."

"He killed my ma? Talk about nonsensical."

As a claimed student of history it's funny you don't recognize one of the most famous political slogans of our lifetimes. 

"Did you read the speech?"

Yes, the whole rambling mess of it. 

"There is nothing meaningless about liberty."

I didn't say 'liberty' is meaningless, I quoted your statement as meaningless.  

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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"prehistoric warfare" is not warfare in any sense of the word. The casualties wre insignificant and usually resulted in the taking of prisoners  or property. This is not war as spoken of in this speech- the warfare of the state. Nice try. 

If these wars are so well known, then they would be "historical" have a name or time reference. By your definition, every roadside bandit committed war. You do know what the words "citation needed" mean? 

He killed my ma, he killed my pa, but I will vote for him. — Charles Taylor's 1997 election slogan. Taylor threatened to restart the country's civil war if he wasn't elected. 

The President of an African nation- famous? That is hilarious. As a war criminal yes, his slogan's- not hardly. 

As for meaningless- you appear to have wrote the book.


 


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Overfed
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"Oh well, better than making things abundantly worse I guess."

By your logic, Bawney Fwank, John Boner, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, Nazi Pelosi, and their ilk are better representatives because they got "something done"? That's the height of stupidity, dude.

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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Reading comprehension is commonly a problem on zh. 

"Oh well, better than making things abundantly worse I guess."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Michaelwiseguy:

 

I was inspired by Dr Ron Paul to write this. It's a derivation of the Mayer Amschel Rothschild quote, "Give me control of a Nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.";

 

"I will steal the majority of peoples money, wealth, and ability to prosper by owning the money supply and making the monetary rules myself." - Dr. Evil

 

 

- - - - - - - 

 

You're not going to go Jared Loughner Lite on us ... are you?

 

You need to get a REAL job and stop living off that trust fund disbursement; too time thinking about this abstract stuff is going to be your undoing.

 

Stay away from Infowars.com, turn off the shortwave radio, take a warm bath and go look for a ' J O B '.

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:31 | Link to Comment infotechsailor
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Chairman paul, as chairman of the monetary policy subcommittee, has subpoena power only with the approval of both the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and the Speaker of the House, Mr. Boner.

research: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_50/b4207035613107.htm

 

So mr. iDealmeat, get over your ignorant self and recognize a patriot when you see one.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:56 | Link to Comment redpill
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Sat there like a puppet and took it?  He has run for President THREE TIMES!!!  What have you done, fucker?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:00 | Link to Comment IAmNotMark
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What's the matter?  Had a hard day as assistant manager of McDonalds?

(Apologies to any assistant managers of McDonalds...I know it's hard work that a douche like iDealMeat wouldn't be able to handle)

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment SeattleBruce
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Hey Meat - we'll be waiting for you to list off all your superior accomplishments to Dr. Paul for the cause of freedom....................

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:19 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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ur,iDealMeat looks more like a turd shithead,,,fitting you well.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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#1 is actually STUPIDITY and unfortunately there's no cure for that.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:15 | Link to Comment Waffen
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The problem with libertarianism is that it presumes that all people are equal. You must understand that the world is tribal and only white people in general support individualism(sure there are exceptions) but en masse the other races do not support it. Now considering that the non whites are producing ever more quickly libertarians are going to be forever out voted and stripped of power. The founding fathers had created a white nation and it's principles are not compatible with a non white majority.

Please be forewarned.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:34 | Link to Comment SeattleBruce
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"but en masse the other races do not support it." - have most of the other races/tribes really ever had a good chance to experiment with it like the Europeans who inhabited the US?  I don't think you can pronounce this as truth.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:21 | Link to Comment ffart
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Bullshit. Hong Kong and Singapore are the freest nations on earth right now.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Overfed
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Individual freedoms in those places is non-existent. Economic freedom is higher than in the US. I want both.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:17 | Link to Comment SwampHonkey
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Waffen, While I love your profile pic

 

 As the song goes...The world is full of Kings and Queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment UGrev
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No, It assumes that everyone is treated witih the same instance of IEqualityComparer<T>. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment New England Patriot
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The ROL in a constitutional Republic, as described by Dr. Paul in the video, is the ticket to curtailing the envy and intolerance that leads to, ahem, tribal conflict.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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There is sound logic RP not being elected. Were Libertarians in charge when the S H's the F, who do you think would get the blame? Republicrats would just point to Libertarians and say, "We tried it your way. Look what happened."

I propose the Creosote method of ending the leviathan of government. Encourage it. Give it everything it wants. Finish it off with a wayfare theen meent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U

Better get a bucket.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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It's called Three Level Chess. Everything is going according to plan.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:53 | Link to Comment old naughty
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He "just fade away"...

Now it's up to the power, the real one above.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:46 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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+1 for noticing, and +10 to Paul for saying so, but I'm certain no Congress-member will confess to such a fair interpretation...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment true brain
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Tell people to eliminate envy is like telling them to cut off their winny. Tell people to have no prejudice is to tell them to be God.

It will take more years to evolve these traits than there are zeros in Bernanke QE.

Enough said. we're fucked.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:24 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Adults attempt to control their emotions and base their actions on reason. Those who don't remain children regardless of age.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:48 | Link to Comment true brain
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Sure, tell that to 'them' when 'they' come and take you away.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:54 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I don't believe that anyone will be coming for me specifically. Have you heard something?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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They have to get thru the 51 hollow point bullets I have strapped to my waist first.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Killtruck
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17+17+17 - I like your style, Mike.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Whoa! The full Loughner?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:49 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Poor guy was born 236 years too late, much like many of us.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment notbot
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This is the modern day Title of Liberty.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Uchtdorf
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Yep.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:20 | Link to Comment redpill
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One of many epic excerpts:

 

"...for thousands of years the acceptance of government force, to rule over the people, at the sacrifice of liberty, was considered moral and the only available option for achieving peace and prosperity.  What could be more utopian than that myth—considering the results especially looking at the state sponsored killing, by nearly every government during the 20th Century, estimated to be in the hundreds of millions.  It’s time to reconsider this grant of authority to the state."

 

Well past time.  And anyone that doesn't see it is a murderous fool.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment sdmjake
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i like this fundemental truth at the 18:30 mark:

"Real patriotism is a willingness to challenge the government when it’s wrong."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:50 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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He was born too early.

The hunterer-gatherer culture (liberal) produced the settlement culture (conservative) which is creating the freedom culture.

Three different cultures, with differing moral instincts, each trying to move society in its direction.

 

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:49 | Link to Comment Sockeye
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I hardly ever print shit anymore. I just printed all 25 pages of this.

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Confundido
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You're excused. This is a historical document. It will be to the historians of the fall of the American Empire what the writings of Cicero are today to the historians of the fall of the Roman Empire.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:33 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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While Cicero was an absolutely splendid writer, truly one of the greatest in history, he fought to preserve the corrupt status quo against the true monetary and legislative reformer Julius Caesar.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:50 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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<---Embrace Paulian Libertarianism

<---Embrace Obamaian Socialism

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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It's just Marxist socialism, Obama's a stooge.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment true brain
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don't bad mouth Marx by having Obama's name in the same sentence. Marx was a genius. Obama is just Obama.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:32 | Link to Comment Hi Ho Silver
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A mad genius. The other is just a D student with A+ reading aloud skills.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:17 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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@ true brain and ho

 

Have you even read the communist manifesto? Marx was a drunken buffoon who only managed to plagiarize the statist doctrine of the authoritarian Princes of the pre-unification Prussian states ( who absolutely despised the success of English capitalism ) and invent such ridiculous notions such as the 'inevitability' of socialism and the particularly daft concept of 'polylogism'.

Let me explain Marxian polylogism to you.

Apparently according to Marx logically deduced truths regarding the nature of reality were different for each social class. Thus the logic of the bougeouisie could not be considered truth for the proleteriat.

As in, even though we're both human beings living on the same planet, if someone is richer than you then their logic based on personal experience and observation regarding the world is irrelevant.

Bull-fucking-shit

Marx was such a joke it was decades after his death before people were willing to admit they even read his work.

 


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:24 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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Both are dreamers with no sense of reality. No care for humanity, psychopathic fuckwads.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:02 | Link to Comment SheepleLOVEched...
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lol who embraced the govt cock in ur ass?

what a loser....all the ppl who support obama only ask what can they leach off of taxpayers. I fucking hate this country, and I am not proud to be an American anymore. This country has deviated so far from the original intentions and system of prosperity. The US is truly headed down the road to serfdom!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment aerofan3
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The best President America never had!

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment Carl Spackler
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Bravo, Ron Paul, BRAVO !

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment The Gooch
Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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Great speach. Perhaps even historic.
Too bad that the natural audience for it has such an "authoritarian bent" as seen in the authoritarian and violence praising arguments so often seen here.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:06 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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"The ultimate solution is not in the hands of the government.

The solution falls on each and every individual, with guidance from family, friends and community.

The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow.  This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society.  If we can achieve this, then the government will change."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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noble words, with much truth in them.

one caveat:  while concentrating on self, family, friends and community - pay attention to the Laws government continues to pass, because if one is merely focused on the local while government is rewriting the Constitution and arming for martial law, no amount of personal gun stashes will protect anyone.  concentrating on Self ultimately is a truism, but so is the deteriorating toxic food and water and air, which all fall under "government care."

watch the magician's other hand. . .

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Calidreaming
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Ron Paul just stated our new Declaration of Independence! 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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Liberals, much more than conservatives, hate this guy a lot.  I took lots of heat for being a Ron Paul supporter from my "friends."  When I'd talk back to these people with facts and information about liberity, classical liberalism, and non-kenysian economics, they would get very frustrated, stop talking to me, and just make fun of me behind my back. Very sad state of affairs we are in. 

As Benjamin Franklin oncw said over when the moment voters realize that they can vote for themselves money from the public treasury, it would "herald the end of the Republic".

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:15 | Link to Comment SelfGov
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I've had the completely opposite experience. Many of my liberal friends from Occupy are avid Ron Paul supporters; some black, some gay, some both.

The so called conservatives I deal with daily get furious when I mention him.

Go figure...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:03 | Link to Comment Tsunami Wave
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Strange. They would all loudly jeer and mock to me, "he wants to take us back to a gold standard." "He's a right wing pro-lifer." "He wants to make government smaller." "He's a dumb old cooky man who should STFU." Even though most of those assertions are wrong.. And I would point them out throughly and they'd just be quiet or change the topic. But these twenty-somethings will hear none of it.. They feel too good voting for Obama, and he will fix all the wrongs of George Bush and we will all become liberal, socialist, keynsians so be quiet.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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Anybody that would make fun of you behind your back is not your friend. Keep up the fight Tsunami, truth always wins in the end.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:36 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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Consider making new friends

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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If Paul is pissing off the party line Conservative Reps and the party line Liberal Dems, he must be doing something right.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Being a libertarian is remarkably like being a humanitarian.  Ron Paul should get a Nobel Peace Prize fro his efforts to bring an end to tyranny at home and abroad.

Unfortunately, the US has been under the control of neo-cons and the war party since 9/11 and their control gets stronger everyday to the detriment of peace and harmony in this world.

No new Ron Paul has a prayer of winning an election here.  To be against war and aggression is political suicide in the US.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:01 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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He is opposed to the entity that caused the deaths of four hundred million people in the 20th century:

           Government.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 03:09 | Link to Comment Irwin Fletcher
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Have you been paying attention to the Nobel Peace Prize recipients lately? Not exacty bringing an end to tyrannies or war parties. Probably not what Nobel had in mind. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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Nobel Peace Prize .. is that awarded by the BLS?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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It's so easy to laugh , its so easy to hate , it takes strength to be gentle and kind

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:42 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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The days of being gentle and kind in the face of Evil must quietly come to an abrupt close now.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:14 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Evil conspires to set man against neighbor through fear and envy. Respect for one's neighbors and willingness to earn respect in return is the only method which can stop evil from prying men apart and setting them against each other.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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The Tree of Liberty is very thirsty.  After, yes, you are correct.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:11 | Link to Comment Acorn10012
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Love the Smiths.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment buzzardsluck
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I know we aren't supposed to ask but, when does project mayhem start?

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:32 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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November 6 2008.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:26 | Link to Comment SillySalesmanQu...
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God bless and God speed Ron Paul! Thank you Tyler and ZH for presenting this to all of us here...his loyal followers. Easily one of the finest pieces of elouquence I have read in a long time.

I weep for our future and children's future...

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment samsara
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That,  Gentlemen was a Statesmen.

Instead of being a Blowhard. 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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Thanks Ron, you are an inspiration to me.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Your post speaks for me too.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment samsara
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THAT is Ron Paul's legacy.   He wasn't here to 'Fix' things.  'Things' can't be fixed anymore.

What Ron Paul has done for us (as it will come to be remembered in my view)  was that he "INSPIRED" people.  Millions of People.   People who really don't need answers at this point as much as they need the strength and "Inspiration" to ask questions. Questions like;

What IS our direction to be after "IT" ?   What ideals and Statesmen's words will guide us. 

What things "Inspire" us Forward in stead of 'Scaring' us into a cringing position?

 

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Commodes - exactly.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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Well done Dr. P. 

The lights will soon go out on this rancid continental democracy and we'll be sure to dig up this speech on the other side.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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a "Liberty standard" is too opaque. Americans just don't "get that." A licentiousness standard is something they understand...that is REAL liberty and not something "to be defined as either free or unfree." Sure..."freedom works" too...but that is DANGEROUS. Once man's freedom is another man's enslavement. No i would settle for a simple RULE OF LAW Standard right now. A Constitutional Amendment which creates a RIGHT TO PRIVACY would be a good place to start. Something to protect THE AMERICAN PERSON'S IDENTITY. That would in fact be PRACTICAL as well...and indeed there is a workable majority in the Senate that would like to see it was well. (Senator Joe Lieberman's last act as a Senator actually was to try and create a "privacy protection.") I fear THE MEDIA more than anything...and having a "Liberty Standard" does nothing to reign that in. No, sorry folks but i'm a BIG BELIEVER IN GOVERNMENT...on that exists to PROTECT OUR RIGHTS not one trying to extol the "virtues of not being bothered by those little people over there." I do find it ironic that the protections of minorities in the US is in fact falling of a cliff under this Administration. It is a very sad irony of course...but the facts are undeniable. This administration's record on Civil Rights IS THE WORST SINCE EISIENHOWER...and given that Brown vs Board of Education was decided then...probably far worse actually. Of course when you don't need teachers to begin with...who needs Brown? This country has LOST IT'S MIND when it comes to existing freedoms. Do we really want to know what are neighbor is up to? REALLY? HONESTLY? I refuse to believe the best that America can be these days is "neighborhood spies like us." But this is all the internet asks of us does it not? And amazingly...we give over our personal info without even a peep. Of what value is it to the American people then? Has crime dropped to zero? (Worse) Have job opportunities gone through the roof? (worst employment picture since the Depression.) Have we learned to be nicer to one another? (meaner now than ever in our history.) Broken families, broken homes, broken dreams...phuck you internet and all your "hacker brigades" like Mark phucking Zuckerberg and the you know who. If Ron Paul had any balls he'd call out these people by name and tell 'em how they've perverted justice to have their psychotic insanity realized. Charging Obama's War Cabinet with "serial womanizing" without even going to the Senate first FBI? REALLY? Sitting Generals aren't even entitled to their day in court? I hope ALL the Armed Forces take care of business the way they know how...and that the US Senate finally unleashes the Safety Mechanisms designed it would seem solely to create a "State within the State" now. Who's in charge of this cluster phuck? Anybody? I'm sure the FBI has a plan for making sure "all those soldiers in Afghanistan come home safe and sound."

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:50 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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"Don't do to others anything I don't want them to do to me" seems to work in all circumstances.  It should make government unnecessary.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:52 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist."

 

Lysander Spooner - 1867

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Fedophile
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Paragraphs mother fucker.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:16 | Link to Comment akak
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Dammit, how dare you piss into his overflowing stream of consciousness?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:11 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Sure..."freedom works" too...but that is DANGEROUS. Once man's freedom is another man's enslavement. No i would settle for a simple RULE OF LAW Standard right now.

 

You have fallen prey to that Kantian nonsense in which nothing is certain and words have no meaning. How can one write, follow or enforce laws if reality itself is distorted to the point where liberty and enslavement can not only co-exist but are in fact identical?

A=A.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:44 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Or you know, they could read 

Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Defined

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:45 | Link to Comment reader2010
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"FREEDOM IS SLAVERY."

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment HANKREARDON
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My hero.

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:47 | Link to Comment j-dub
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Sorry Crazy Ron, but having U.S. army drones watching my every move makes me feel , I don't know,........important.

Besides, I want my Obama Phone in new freedom red.  I'll take the phone-you can keep the liberty.  After all, you can't watch porn on liberty.  Good luck trying to argue against that accepted fact!

-Average American asshole

 

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:28 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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-- no offense to the mentally challenged but obviously you left out that you may be retarded, yes multiple childhood vacinations have distorted your brain, the Average American Retarded Asshole

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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Pinata Economics..  smash and grab

no pruning of the trees needed for next year, just locust swarms

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Good post!  dark pools of soros One of many ...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:14 | Link to Comment honestann
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The planet really does need a viable frontier where the best, bravest and brightest (who want to) can go and sink or swim on their own merits.  Though certain theoretical possibilities exist on earth, what seems absolutely necessary now is a liberty enclave in outer space.  On the surface, the timing doesn't appear quite right for such an eventuality "in time" --- before the coming tyranny of authoritarian one-world predators-DBA-government makes earth a permanent slave planet.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:30 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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International Waters seem like a the next reasonable conclusion.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 06:56 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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The United Nation's mouth is watering over the prospects of controlling the seas.

Defense Secretary Panetta favors United Nations oversight of world oceans

Hope Hodge  

After regaling a group of environmentalists last week on military initiatives to pursue biofuels and prepare for climate change, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta advanced another tenet of a far-left military agenda Wednesday when he appeared at a forum to push for ratification of the United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty.

The treaty would create an international regime of law to dictate actions and activities on and in the oceans. In addition to creating new environmental regulations, it would tax U.S. mining of the ocean floor, and could compromise the nation’s maritime security.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/05/09/defense-secretary-panetta-favors-u...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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way too many intriguing uses of words without much in the way of definitions of use, but I'll park this here for now,

Benjamin Franklin claimed “only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.”  John Adams concurred:  “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people.  It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

A moral people must reject all violence in an effort to mold people’s beliefs or habits.

so lads, how virtuous and moral do you rate yourselves?

and your Constitution, made for a moral and religious people - how far will you carry that to its conclusions?

will your morals reject all violence to mold other peoples beliefs or habits as RPaul calls for?

will you merely wipe a tear from your eye for all these inspiring speeches, or will you think about and discuss them??

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Why do you insist on putting words in other peoples mouths

Definitions? Dr Paul isnt clear enough for you?

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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actually, no, he isn't.  he rarely mentions his years of promoting Sanctity of Life Constitutional Amendments, though he's got some hella lofty speech writers.

but one thing is clear to ME at least - he's been decades a Conservative Republican, Christian too - and this "Libertarian" label applied, that one could seriously use some defining - it seems a slippery tag used by an awful lot of people who don't agree on the terms.

would you care to speak up on his behalf?  and perhaps share how one can be a "libertarian" who desires a Law to remove a woman's right to make decisions about her own body, to be surrendered to the State?

I'm serious.  any takers?

by the way,

Why do you insist on putting words in other peoples mouths?

which words are you referring to?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 01:49 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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We've been down this road many times. Ron Paul says a woman has a right to chose to have an abortion but he would hope to see a more moral society in which the demand for abortion is slim to none. As for the Sanctity of Life bill, it takes away the power of the Federal government to legalize abortion or to make it illegal and returns that power to the states. Bringing government closer to the people is a step in the right direction if your eventual goal is a voluntaryist society.

Why do you object so frequently and so strenuously to the idea that a mother might want to think about the consequences of abortion and that her loved ones might want to think about providing a loving and safe environment in which a child can be born and raised.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:50 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I was replying to Bay of Pigs.

you, I've replied to enough - we get nowhere, because you INSIST on being Ron Paul's spokesman with nary a quote to be seen - just "Ron says this" and "the good doctor believes" yada yada.

find me a quoted that addresses the subject of removing a woman's right to decide about her own body, one that works in the Sanctity of Life ACTUAL MEANINGS AS HE HAS PUT FORTH FOR YEARS, and definitions of all the words in the Law he wants to amend Constitutionally, with attendant effects.  I've given you the links many times, either put up or shut up.  enough talking about what yer ideal mommy should be.

you people that trust your pollytishuns like father figures. . . *shakes head*

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:43 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Look at that, you're so brave when you are on the attack behind your screen.

 

I find your one single point of contention apalling. It's no wonder you can not understand what Libertariansim is. You feel you need the power of the state to enforce a person's right to destroy potential life casually. You are the iconic statist, you are the reason the world is in such a mess, because you attack everyone that does not agree with every single iota of delusional paranoia that you are displaying here with vigar, and condemn them to being meaningless. You find a Zygote may threaten your stability within the system, so you must destroy it, lest it replace you at the teat.

 

Your treatment of your fellow man is far worse than women killing unborn babies, because your actions create the situations where women are required to search out for such barbaric solutions to their problems.

 

If you want to understand Libertarianism, it starts with civility, and it end's with common understanding. Your condemnation of a person over him voicing his one complaint at the behest of his district is pathetic. You demand tolerance and acceptance, but you offer and dole out neither. I've read your posts long enough to know what sort of person you are.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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.

I've read your posts long enough to know what sort of person you are.

oh pray, do tell.

seriously, put your wisdom in writing, here, tell everyone here exactly who I am.

I'll wait.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:32 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Not everyone feels like assuming there are four definitions for every word. If you want that crap go read Marx or Hegel.

 

We do not need you, so feel free to go away.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:44 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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oh, I've little doubt of your needs, and care not all for them - if you'd like to address the subject, go ahead, otherwise, do fuck off, lol.

Fight Club, despite all the hand holding.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:58 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Your subject has been covered several times. If you would like to clarify what the coverage is, why not look them up and educate yourself for once?

 

The funny thing is that you made some sardonic commentary about hand holding. Give us a fucking break and quit asking/demanding us for answers that have already been delivered and you could easily find on the very same device you are acting like some sort of Internet Commando on.

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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actually, no it hasn't.  and if by chance I've missed a Ron Paul thread that actually even mentions his repeated proposals for Sanctity of Life Constitutional Amendment, and has any thread discussion on this as a topic of LIBERTY applied to WOMEN, then by all means, link it.

or go away and write prose with Crockett.

you can't and you won't, but by all means, pretend you did.  here.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:01 | Link to Comment akak
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Cathartes, you consistently refuse to acknowledge the very real fact that one CAN argue against abortion being legal while still being a principled libertarian, based on the rights of the unborn child (yes, that annoying little thing that is more than just part of "a woman's body").  I do not necessarily make that argument, but it is a logically valid one based on libertarian precepts (not to mention being one of the stickiest points in libertarian theory).

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"one" can argue anything in politics akak, and you'll watch even more of it as we go.  but IF that is what you guys want to argue, then at least ACKNOWLEDGE your PRO-LIFE stance, and stop with all this "liberty, freedom, individual rights" nonsense.

and I've looked into a few "libertarian" talking points as they campaign, the majority of them DO allow for a "woman's" sovereignty, and against Laws enacted on her body.

but I could care less about yet another "party" for government.  I don't vote, and have zero intentions of ever doing so.

and can you please stick to the terminology - we're not talking about "children" or "babies" such emotional  terms - we're talking about ZYGOTES, the things that just prior to existence were sperm + ovum. . . do you work to save your sperm?  pre-crime and all. . .

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Captnkirk
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i think i'm going to put my Ron Paul sign back up

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Not a bad idea.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Captnkirk
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i think i'm going to put my Ron Paul sign back up

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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I know, you just said.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Captnkirk
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i think i'm going to put my Ron Paul sign back up

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:30 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Captain, this is not logical.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:38 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I'm given ER, all Shes got "El Kapitan"!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 00:44 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I can see the theme tonight will be an ongoing fairytale retelling of recent, and long-term, history and most probably will get all weepy and senti-mental, I'll leave y'all to the group hugs and memories. . .

1. The continuous attack on our civil liberties which threatens the rule of law and our ability to resist the onrush of tyranny. 

couldn't agree more.  I would include the re-framing of a zygote to PERSONHOOD as an onrush of tyranny, affording the State access to Laws superseding a woman's own right to make decisions about her body.

Happily, there is an answer for these very dangerous trends. 

yes, indeed there is.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 02:34 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Interesting, why not present a self demonstration of that answer.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 04:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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uh huh, grade skool.  that's all ya got.  it's the equivalent of a downvote, save yerself the time. . .

I know I am but what are YOU?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 05:15 | Link to Comment akak
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Cathartes, your insistent and never-ending damning of Ron Paul on this one highly narrow subject, to the total exclusion of EVERYTHING else, and every other possible political stance, is an outright obsession with you, and borders on disingenuosity if not trolling.

Personally, I am not in either, or any, camp when it comes to the issue of abortion, despite having given it much thought over more than 30 years.  In that time, I have only come to the conclusion that the vast number of people with strong opinions on the subject, such as yourself, seem content to perpetually talk past each other, rather than EVER considering the points that "the other side" makes.

Please, do yourself a favor and be open-minded enough to admit: 1) that it is possible for a principled libertarian to be opposed to abortion in good faith, and with NO contradiction of his principles, and 2) that if you agree with most or all of Ron Paul's other political positions, it is counterproductive if not outright insane to disregard ALL those other positions with which you are in agreement over this ONE issue of relatively minor contemporary importance.

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