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The Bernanke-Obama-Keynes Toxic Triangle Dead End

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By Universa's Mark Spitznagel; posted originally on Forbes,

The choice for the status quo made in last week’s presidential election was an uninformed one—at no fault of the voters—made in the fog of monetary distortion and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s continuous campaign of disinformation.

President Barack Obama managed to overtake Republican challenger Mitt Romney on the exit poll question “Who is better for the economy?” and a strong majority of Obama voters felt that the economy is better off than four years ago. Indeed, anyone (particularly Bernanke) would concede that without the Fed’s zero interest rate policy we would be experiencing a far worse economy—the true Obama-Keynesian economy.

The danger here, as we have seen in every other bust for a century or more, is that we can only suspend the laws of economics for so long. And in general we are only good at considering immediate consequences, while being very, very bad at considering later consequences. As 19th century French economist Frédéric Bastiat observed, “The bad economist pursues a small present good, which will be followed by a great evil to come, while the true economist pursues a great good to come, at the risk of a small present evil.”

In the short run (and this is what is so insidious about the Fed’s artificially low interest rates), all we are seeing is an illusion of economic progress. Specifically, the Fed has manufactured a distortion intended to trap both consumers into spending more and entrepreneurs into investing more, or lengthening their production periods (becoming more “roundabout,” as the Austrian School economists said), as if savings were more plentiful. This combination would never occur in an unhampered, noninterventionist economy for the simple fact that higher consumption would mean higher interest rates (from less savings), which would discourage longer production.

Thus, investment in this illusory economy is malinvestment, or investment that always unravels with the intervention’s inevitable end, due to either untenable credit levels (such as today’s corporate debt-to-asset ratio, still at historic highs) or a resource crunch (rising commodity prices) that eliminates any advantage from printing money; and one or both of these scenarios is unavoidable.

Economic progress requires a chain reaction from lower time preferences: foregone current consumption and a higher pool of savings lowers interest rates and triggers a natural entrepreneurial response, greater productivity, and subsequent economic growth. (The “Paradox of Thrift” that warns of the hazards of higher savings is the nonsensical stuff of the ivory tower.) By circumventing this process, as we have today, we have built but a temporary façade.

This leads to another unfortunate kind of malinvestment, of a higher order, if you will: the malinvestment of an electorate in its political class and their policies. Just as entrepreneurs cannot differentiate between real economic information and monetary illusion, so too the electorate cannot differentiate between the effects of Obama’s fiscal policy (of his historic assumption of debt) and that of Bernanke’s loose monetary policy—and without the latter the former wouldn’t have even been feasible. Both Obama and Bernanke pursue a great economic evil to come, but Bernanke keeps them both cloaked as a great present good.

As the Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises noted, laboratory experiments cannot be performed in an economy; “We are never in a position to observe the change in one element only, all other conditions of the event remaining unchanged.”

This is our grievous position in the United States today, trapped in the status quo by first consequences, by what we can see, due to a cause that we cannot even see. And so we are left to learn from experience, an eventual tragic unfolding of our collective malinvestment. As Bastiat said, “Experience teaches effectually, but brutally.”

 


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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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The Bernanke-Obama-Keynes Toxic Triangle Dead End

They shoudl replace, "Obama" with "POTUS", because ALL presidents will continue these neoliberal, neokeynesian policies no matter what.

Even Keynes himself, who gets a bad name IMO because of assholes like Summers and aloof academics like Krugman, wouldn't approve of whats going on.

Even Keynes couldn't price in fraud.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment jcia
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BTFD!!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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 "In the short run (and this is what is so insidious about the Fed’s artificially low interest rates), all we are seeing is an illusion of economic progress."

 

Maybe it's just me, but I can't even see an illusion of economic progress with near-ZIRP, even if I squint really hard, anymore; just the opposite, with an ominous credit/debt/leverage crisis re-building on ye horizon.

I should go see the optimistologist b/c maybe my eyes need to be re-calibrated.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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GOLD My Bitchies... $50K is Nice and FAIR...

(PHYSICAL And Not The Shredder Feed) ...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Bernanke and Geithner should send out treasury checks to boost consumer spending.

With wage increases flat and the all important Christmas spending spree in front of us, this would go a long way toward boosting the economy and consumer confidence.

Bernanke could put on a Santa suit to sweeten the deal...

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Exactly Mr. MillionDollarBogus ...

Send Out $10K Cheques to EVERY Citizen, And Not To The Usual JMP And Sacks Bankers...

After All, Who Cares If Its $16 Trillion Or $25 trillion Fiats Debt, Its Only Digital Paper...

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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MDB suddenly on our side?

WTF?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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uhhh.....

ummm....     Oh the hell with it.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Fiscal Cliff = $700 Trillion Derivatives Blowing Up!

I'm getting real sick and tired of the Illuminati and secrete societies pulling their shit on us century in and century out.

Lets get this party started.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:05 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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PONZI!  PONZI!  PONZI!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:28 | Link to Comment markmotive
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We had our last chance.

Ron Paul's final speech to Congress

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/11/15/ron-pauls-final-speech-to-congr...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:16 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Agreed.

Allready over the cliff we are.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 03:02 | Link to Comment ilion
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What the fuck is this?

http://ap3.ee/article/2012/11/16/admiral-marketsil-offshore-kloon

google translate does the work 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:32 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I just realized something about myself while currently watching the movie Office Space on Comedy Central. I'm a lot like the character Peter Gibbons. My favorite thing to do is nothing just like him, and I also enjoy contributing nothing to society as well. I've had at least 20 jobs in the last 40 years, and wound up quitting virtually every one of them, telling my employers over the years to go fuck themselves. I really did this.

I seem to be doing Ok, my newer 2,750sf home is paid off.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:00 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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So how many bombs have the TSA found stuffed up womens vagina's in the past 11 years of their existence? I'm not talking about the possibility.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:59 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Well...none, but there's always hope for tomorrow.

 

Quick....slam silver....we'll think of a reason for it later.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Hehehe .. Read The Handle Carefully...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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obama, ben and timmy should publically declare they made a mistake...recant giving banks 16 trillion, demand repayment and start giving every printing to tax payers, small business and the 40% on food stamps.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:12 | Link to Comment tango
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What many ZH posters absolutely refuse to concede is the public's guilt in this fiasco. They keep whining about banks as if they were the ones who voted in these "have it all free" idiots over and over. The public clamors for more spending, more control, more programs without an atom of critical thought.

In fact it is the immediate public furor that greets attempts to stop even the RATE of growth (much less actual outlays) that makes those serious about our problems hesitant to speak. So let's stop giving the not so innocent public a pass.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment venturen
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How does that benefit Lobbyists and investment bankers? Printed money with a FED buying their bowel movements is much more a sure thing!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment lynnybee
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'Bernanke and Geithner should send out treasury checks to boost consumer spending.'    yea, send me some of that fake fiat money, i'd love that.   take it straight to the coin guy & swap it out for the real money and more food plus if there's any left over, off to the gun show i go.    

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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Nice to see you arround Lynny. You and many of us have learned a lot on this site the last three years.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:42 | Link to Comment lynnybee
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i received the education of a lifetime on this website.   me, an older person who couldn't even fill out a check to pay bills, can hold her own in a sophisticated conversation regarding finances.    i am now empowered thru knowledge.   & bless your heart for the kind words.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:50 | Link to Comment caconhma
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Few notes from the Russian Revolution history.

  

From the beginning, Lenin has instituted a monopoly on the entire financial system. His first step was to create a runaway inflation. Becoming a dictator, Lenin used the printing presses for the destruction of people's savings, redistribution of wealth people in the pocket of the State and to equalize everybody in poverty.

 

During the period from 1921 to 1923, Lenin used the printing press, to increase the number of rubles in circulation in about 20,000 times! In fact, the amount of monthly issued rubles has been so stunning that even Communists were unable to determine the exact amount of issued money.

 

The resulting inflation raised the overall price index by 160,000 times compared to 1913.  It had achieved the desired effect. In Russia, the middle class has been eliminated.

 

Note this method. This is a standard Jewish method. They have used his method before hundreds of times before in various countries, especially during the transition times when the Jewish Mafia has seized the power and property. Everywhere a corrupt MEDIA deliberately tells lies and false stories that supposedly the causes of inflation are the economic decline, economic devastation, the Government errors, and/or other like nonsense. And in fact, there are two reasons for inflation: objective economic problems (the significance of this cause is quite negligible) and the main reason for the inflation is targeted issuance of money by the Government and the Central Banks.

 

Inflation is not the result of economic problems. Inflation is a deliberate redistribution of power, property, and money.

 

To understand this, just look at the distribution of powers, property and money before and after the inflation. The picture is very clear. After this redistribution process reaches the desired level, it instantly stops as if by a magic. And inflation, and financial pyramids, and financial fraud suddenly disappear.

 

The Jews were always unrivaled masters of igniting hatred and confrontation between people and countries, especially using religious and class demagoguery. After the destruction of the Russian elite, Jews continued their hatred mongering between various segments of the Russian society using the class-war demagogy. Lenin understood the necessity to crush the peasantry who were a bastion of anti-communism. So, what did he do? Did he organize a Jewish army and send them to fight the peasants? No, the Jews almost never like to fight by themselves. They always prefer to fight with other people hands.

 

Read the Lenin’s work about the grain monopoly and the food dictatorship. The technology of suffocation through hunger is discussed quite openly. In Moscow and Petrograd, Lenin put armed roadblocks to prevent peasants’ food from reaching towns and cities. As a result, the deliberate mass hunger and starvation were created in Moscow and Petrograd. The famine was artificial, intentionally created by the ruling Jewish Bolshevik thugs. Then, using their MASS MEDIA monopoly, the rabid propaganda campaign against the kulaks (well to do farmers) and the peasants was initiated accusing them for allegedly creating the famine. After pumping workers with hatred to the kulaks and peasants, Lenin created the workers food expropriation armed units and threw them against the peasants. This became the main driver for igniting the Civil War in Russia.

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Why can't we be more like the Soviet Union......oh wait.....we are!!!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 03:05 | Link to Comment q99x2
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I want a great big QE beneath my tree.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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Negative rates unlikely to give you 20/20 either.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment reader2010
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BTFD!!

===

Did you back up your truck for AAPL?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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Bastiat bitchez

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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“Experience teaches effectually, but brutally.”

Ah yes, the school of hard knocks.

Black and blue their colors.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Obadiah
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This is some good copy  thx ZH

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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At a basic level - and I'm not being glib, I'm maybe advertising my ignorance of academic economics - I don't understand how guys like Krugman {who may be a secret fascist and probably into deviant sex, but probably is more misguided/full of Kool-aid than evil} see no problem with printing lots and lots of money to have government spend, spend spend, or to give to banks in the hopes that they'll lend lend lend  {all of course representing more debt - not more innovation or manufacturing, etc}... but would never suggest simply printing the equivalent sum to simply pay off the debt {and 'extinguish' debt held by the fed, which is not only make believe money, but probably unConstitutional - not that anyone gives a particular fuck about that anymore}.

 

In other words, since Krugmanites {it's not really Keynes he's channelling, is it??} think it doesn't matter how much you print, and since they think that the economy is literally a kind of pump that can and should be primed via additional fiat/debt money...

 

How is it they'd summon an objection to using the fiat/debt money to simply pay off the debt, and perhaps pass a balanced budget amendment, put a reasonable tax on financial transations, close loopholes, reward corporations that retain or keep jobs in the US with tax breaks {maybe - so long as govt. is  fucking with every single aspect of the economy, anyway, at least}, make fica progressive, yadda yadda.

 

I'm asking - why is money printing both good and necessary when you give it to government to spend to 'create demand' but bad when you do it to pay off debt and ergo the needlessly wasteful billions squandered on interest paid to ... the... banks...

??????????????????????????????

...  did I just answer my own question?  Is Krugman in fact evil, and not stupid?  Is the Fed really a cartel controlled by mostly foreign banking dynasties??

 

Naaah.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment odatruf
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Titus - your confusion is one of agency. It is the Fed that is "printing" by simply adding ones and zeros to her books and then using those new funds to buy (lend) government treasuries. Which puts the government further into debt.

It is the government and not the Fed that is in debt. And it is the Fed and not the government doing the printing. 

See the problem?  No matter how you slice it, in order for the government to have the money to pay off debt, it has to get it first and that can only come from taxes or borrowing or asset liquidation.

Conceivably, the Fed could cancel the debt owed by the government, but then it would have a massive balance sheet issue since for every dollar that exists (including the digital ones) there is a corresponding liability of the Federal Reserve Banks, which is also backed as an obligation by Uncle Sam. See the circle jerk rabbit hole we are in?

Oh, it gets worse.  In fed land, any loss booked by the Fed (say as a result of a certain Soverign being unable to make good on the vig) will simply be reflected as a negative liability. Yup, that's a double negative if you are keeping score, which means...  Hmm... And since all net earnings are passed (weekly and weakly) on to the Treasury, a negative liability would translate as negative interest (and flow) due to said Sovereign.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Right - I understand the basics of the Fed, etc. - what I'm asking is a little bit different.

 

Krugman says print away to increase demand without fearing inflation, right?

 

So why would he not favor simply having the Fed print the money {i.e. conjure it our of electrons}, and give that money to owners of the public debt {apart from the Fed itself} directly, to extinguish the debt, than to the banks?

 

I know its a basic question - but if the Fed can print and give to banks to help the economy - why not print and give to us government creditors, or maybe more simply - print, give the $ to the government epxressly for the government to give that money to holders of the public debt?

 

What I'm really wondering is why if we can print ad infinitum to "create demand" why we can't print to extinguish debt. 

 

To me, nothing is more wasteful to the system than compounded interest.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"What I'm really wondering is why if we can print ad infinitum to "create demand" why we can't print to extinguish debt. "

This is simple to answer: What is being printed is debt, not money! Why? Because all of our currency is borrowed into circulation at interest, and debt can't be retired by paying it off with debt!

Money is not encumbered with interest (it is interest-free) and therefore can be used to retire debt.

Do we have any money? Only our coin even though it is counterfeit (made to look like silver but it's not) all of our coin is placed into circulation debt-free and is therefore money (the difference between the two is value, but both are money).

Lincoln solved this problem by issuing "greenbacks" (US Notes) debt-free into circulation- pissed of the banksters so much he was assassinated.

Title 33 of the Federal Reserve Act empowers the government to replace FRN's with US Notes which would enable cancellation most of the federal debt but don't hold your breath as noone has the knowledge, brains or balls to do it!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:25 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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+1

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Newager23
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I don't buy the argument that the Bernanke and the POTUS are both working in concert to crash the economy. I think they are trying to do the right thing to bring it back. The problem is that as politicians they only know the status quo. And the current status quo is about protecting our way of life. We are playing defense, when we should be playing offense (new systems, new ideas).

They both believe in what they are doing and truly think that their policies will work. They believe that America has the best economy in the world and that we are just going through a cyclic downturn. Unfortunately they are being influenced by people whose lives and beliefs are predicated on economic growth. That is all we know. We all hail the almighty dollar.

We are like the Romans at the end of their era. They became full of hubris and could not see that that their beliefs were diametrically opposed to reality. Now it is our turn to be ignorant.

Most of us here on this site are not ignorant. We can see exactly what is happening and how close we are to the fall. The sad thing is that this could have been prevented, but that time has past (perhaps as far back as the 1960s). Our innocence was lost and it will not be found again until after this nation falls.

We are now hearing talk of secession, which is not surprising (and something I expect to see unfold). The end is nigh. We are in a countdown and there is nothing that can be done to stop the downfall of this great nation. How much longer do we have? At what point does everyone realize that we are screwed and that our way of life is going to change for the worse? One year? Perhaps three? Tick tock.

What is about to transpire will be nothing short of a complete transformation of society. Every day I enjoy what we still have, because I know that “easy street” is not going to last for much longer. Enjoy those full shelves. They won’t be there much longer.  

Got gold? www.goldsilverdata.com (for gold & silver mining stocks)

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:14 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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If you believed that the only thing that could ultimately save the common man, that is preserve your concept of economic justice, was a complete and absolute controlled economy, how would you go about achieving it? It think are watching it happen. Its not about Obama being evil, its about his beliefs in what the world should look like and how to bring it about. The kind of world that many think he sees as ideal is one of socialism or communism or Marxism. We know that his upbringing was surrouded by this thinking. We know that his college activism sees the world this way and we also see it to some degree in his writing. And his association with black nationalism in rev Wright's church for twenty years surely can leave little doubt. He knows the tax increases he wants will do little to fix our deficit as well as he knows it will do untold harm to our economy, but he is dedicated to the "fairness" of it. The only way he or anyone else can gain the control they desire of the economy, without military, is through crisis and with every new crisis the government and its powers become greater. No one wants to think that the father that spanks their child is evil. We just know he's doing it for the childs own good. Obama's just getting the paddle warmed up!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:26 | Link to Comment samcontrol
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Do you work for fox?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:11 | Link to Comment ozzz169
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Keynes just followed a path in economics, not the right one but non the less there was logic in it.  It the responsibilty of those to come after to realize the errors and correct them or to twist them into how they are used today.  Most of the leaders today think they are "smart" cause they read a book or 2 and dont have a critical thought of there own (at least one that has any sound analysis behind it).  must be some validity to what Keynes thought, I think it just breaks down when you take it out of the scope he intended.  I dont think he ever intended to use G like it is used today.  a lot of things work for a narrow range and break down on the extremes, and I think any sane person would agree what they are doing today is going to the extreme.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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The only thing worse than a keynesian is a Kenyan keynesian...........

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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This toxic environment provides the prefect short toxic crap for paper, and turn that paper into metals http://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=CALI&ty=c&ta=0&p=d

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You got a table for that problem?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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Clearly the market is being "walked" down.

The question is how many flights of stairs. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Keep digging down until you get to China...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment X86BSD
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China Syndrome? Meltdown to the core of the earth?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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During times of significant market corrections, markets never take the stairs. It's always the elevator.

When the underlying problems are as serious & foundational as those they currently labor under, it's the express elevator.

Oh sure, the official talking heads & super-imposed "authoritative" figures will try to slow or ease the descent, but they'll sooner fail when competing with a dawning mass realization of reality.

Remember:  Escalator up during credit-fueled, crack-up booms, and express elevator down when the foundation gives way.

 

Some people call such statements pessimistic, but I swear that they are only reflective of reality as proven out by history, over and over again. Keepers of the truth never let emotion nor confirmation biases cloud their statements or obscure truth.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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Not when Carlton the Elevator (Doorman) is Bernanke. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment GreatUncle
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Elevator? Stairs?

Quickest way to the lowest level is to jump out the window.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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There's that, too.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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S&P 400 is the bottom floor. All of the 90's leveraging up has to be wiped out.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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If this thing hits 400 and I buy in and it turns out to bottom at 375 I will never forgive you.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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That has been my long term call since one of my first posts on this site. I don't know how long it will take, but I'm sticking to it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment I think I need ...
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no way we go up up and away, ya see they have to get everyone in the bond market before they blow it up,,,,digestion problems going forward gold 36k

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Ballsy call.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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My call was 666, but the devil is in the details.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Sinister call.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Monedas
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I call your sister ?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Alhazred
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NOPE

 

she already has too many PUT options outstanding.

 

(((unless your up for some naked shorting)))    :)

 

also,  end the fed

http://wh.gov/XWkP

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment falak pema
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more like tits to floor call. Droopy the poodle; can you see his ears sweep the floor of fallen autmun leaves? 

Man the oligarchy will scream to high heaven like they were being tortured in a GEstapo movie! 

S&P 400! Nein, Nein, Nein...vee are like greek swine.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:44 | Link to Comment samcontrol
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my call is , they will print and tax for decades to come.

When i lived in the states in 79 , steak and lobster $5.99
today,s price. around $ 59 correct me if i,m wrong...
in 30 years ir will be $5900 .

maybe we correct to 1000.

S&P 4000 in ten years.

in any south american markets that is the norm.....

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Diplodicus Rex
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Of course, if you're right, momentum will cause it to overshoot below that before it finally comes back up to that level.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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"thrown' down the stairs.

Just rolling across the landing right now.

Watch out below..........

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment khakuda
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I think I just heard Bernanke screaming, "Noooooooooooooo!" as he watches trillions of dollars of money printing go down the drain as the stock market deflates.  Housing's boost from insanely low interest rates could end with a run on the dollar and higher rates, just as the FHA's 3.5% down payment folly comes home to roost.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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"Please Spell Bernank."

"Could you please use it in a sentence?"

"Of course":

"Despite Einstein's admonition on insanity, some people will never listen, and Bernank their way through a crisis."

 

"Okay, Bernank. B-E-R-N-A-N-K. Bernank."

 

"Correct!"

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment catacl1sm
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WE ARE ALL GREECE!

 

but not uganda

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment haskelslocal
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We all watched and read how the market was being rampped up into the election. Now it's being walked down. That's news? No, it's what was expected.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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.

I would also like to know: did "rich" people really want Obama, or did they want Romney?

Another question: what percentage of the top 20% are makers vs. takers? 99%? 80%? 50%

I am so fucking confused.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Flaming Ferrari
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BTFC  ( C=Crater) is the new BTFD!!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment tradewithdave
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Yes, but the Petraeus-Putin-Bush triangle remains intact thanks to the twins (and Kevin Bacon).  

http://tradewithdave.com/?p=13428

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Madcow
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The “debt-is-money” central-bank-driven economic system that we have in the West is fundamentally dependent upon periodic wipe-outs of the middle class (of people who borrow the money into existence in the first place). 

Growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, TOTAL COLLAPSE.

Growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, TOTAL COLLAPSE.

Again and again and again.

If bankers did not believe they would be able to collect assets during the (inevitable) deflationary wipe-out, they would never agree to extend credit during the growth (inflation) cycle.

So basically, we have a financial system that REQUIRES complete destruction of civilization once every 3 or 4 generations in order to exist. What is happening now should not be a surprise to anyone.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Well said.

The economic system is totem-pole theft, and the taxes you pay is a jack.

 

But the thing is - they've successfully lulled the public into a stupor, and it's not going to change unless the Marines take over the NY Fed and start arresting some of these guys - which ain't gonna happen.

 

I don't think Ron Paul was perfect, and disagreed with him on a number of things - but I do think he was this country's best and very last political hope for genuine change and reform and Constitutional law-and-order.

 

One wonders at the bankers though - all they need to do really, is give us a couple of sacrificial lambs.  Arrest and prosecute a Blankfein or two and even most of the existing criticism will be mollified - all without changing the underlying.

But a funny thing happens when you have a 2 party system in which many prominent appointees are former Goldman execs...

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:01 | Link to Comment Debt-Is-Not-Money
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+ 1,000

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment youngman
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It really will not matter if your Apple stock is $2,000 a share..if unemployment is 55%...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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This is what's important. Our language - our systems of coding meaning - are being radically changed, and not in an organic way.

"Middle Class," "Dow 20,000," "GDP," "Growth," Recovery," etc., mean whatever we're told that they mean. There are no absolutes, not that there ever were, but propaganda is everything now.

Want to really reform public education? Teach children to question authority. Fat chance.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Indeed SR. First there was the word and it was with AND ---

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/the-deep-perversion-of-language/

ori

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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That was an excellent piece, Vivek. I acually really like the abbreviated style. I'm passing it on.

Peace,

Bob

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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That is high praise coming from an English teacher BobD/SR. Grazzi.

Vivek/ori

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment GernB
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The irony is that the ones who grew up in the 70s on the mantra: "question authority" are now the establilshment and not only do they not want people to question authority, they want to indotrinate children in school, from a very young age, so they are conditioned not to question the liberal establishment.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:31 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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GernB...

Those that were questioning authority in the 70s (and 60s) were mainly protesting the war in Viet Nam and lack of civil rights for minorities.

I grew up in that era and can recall little if any protests against economic policy until the era of stagflation... Until stagflation we were schooled that 'it' could not happen by the economists that were writing the text books.

Now we know that stagflation can happen and it seems to be the preferred course vice deflation.

No matter in the end... we seem to have entered the express elevator but are still searching for the button thats labeled 'hell'.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:39 | Link to Comment samcontrol
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stupid, it depends if you own the stock or a job , or both , or none ,...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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There should never be anyone that questions the anti semetic rhetoric and hate for this group, they have lied, cheated and manipulated this economy to a crash all to benifit each other, at the expense of the populous.  Disgusting group of shit they are and that not not mean the Jewish people, it means the Jewish money changers.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Slicing appl into little sections for the baggies.. easy to carry.

Can we keep a list of the Hedgies and CB's down for the count?  so far we have...

1 .Rochdale Securites.

2. Bank of Israel.

3.

4.

5.

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment dbTX
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I am convinces that Obama and the FED working in concert with each other are bound and determined to bring this great nation to it's knees. There can be no other rational explanation.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:51 | Link to Comment klockwerks
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dbtx, best I have read here as far as just old plain truth. Funny how very few people pick up on this but the bottom line is, planned complete destruction and it won't be long now. At 67 I never thought I would live to see this, then again I may not. Very sad

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:45 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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klockwerks... I'm a year past you and of similar mindset.

The America of our youth in no way resembles the current America. Stunning is not a strong enough word for the changes we have seen.

After much observation I believe that the 'changes' were planned long ago. What is SOOO different is the willingness of the pols/economists to let their manipulations come out of the dark of the closet and into broad daylight for all to see... TPTB certainly liked info bottled up in the dark closet better.

Perhaps this isn't really different but a consequence of the internet? The next objective of TPTB must be a way to control this sudden access to the thoughts and insights of others... TPTB will certainly try to curtail our access to information that is not preapproved... and soon.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Bernanke, Evans, Dudley and Yellen all idolized a false profit with Keynes. 

They along with Greenspan stripped the depression safeguards from the US financial system.

All of them will get what they deserve! These people show arrogance instead  of shame for ruining the US economy. 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Toxic Triangle .... menstruating pussy !

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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This website seems to labor, mostly, under the misconception that Bernanke et al. are stupid.

 

They are not stupid - they are evil.

 

They fucking know that their solutions aren't going to repair anything, or even lead to the status quo ante of say 2005.

All the shit you guys {rightly} indicate will happen as a result of their policies is, to be blunt, obvious to pretty much anyone who even casually studies economics outside the Academy with its 'schools' and pseudo-science.

 

In sum - the fuckers are doing it on purpose, and they're going to get away with it. The war has already been fought and lost.  Americans voted for economic slavery and the security/entitlement/war profiteering state.

 

It doesn't help that much or most criticism of the Fed presumes that they are misguided and dumb, rather than cunning and evil.

 

They're doing it on purpose.  It's actually pretty fucking admirable - a theft of this scale. 

 

If I may reference Denethor from the Lord of the Rings {junk away - I know... I know} Go now and die in what way seems best to you.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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Berrnanke and the Politicos main goal is to enjoy their status of power. They would much rather be able to do this by fooling and quietly robbing the masses. Crooks who steal from you really don't want to confront you, they just want your money with as little hassle as possible.

 

But now, it is becoming a hassle for Bernanake and the politicians to keep their hedgemony. They are screwing us now more openly because they have to, and it makes them appear more evil.

 

Of course they know it won't work, or last. But they are not doing this kind of monetary/fiscal crap now because of a desire to screw us over worse than they were doing prior to this unwinding, they are doing it out of their self interest and preservation.  

 

With dwindingly options, desperation might indeed be confused with stupidity.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Governor Tarkin: Princess Leia, before your execution, I'd like you to join me for a ceremony that will make this battle station operational. No star system will dare oppose the Emperor now. 

Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Of course they are evil, that is why millions of rational people are hoarding food and ammo. But, after a while, you get past the shouting from the rooftop phase and just settle into commenting on the daily nuances of Lucifer's machinations as we watch him brew up his toxic Armageddon against mankind. Might find a weakness!

 

And there are smart and good people calling them out every day. Here's a classic speech by Robert Wenzel to the FRBNY back in April 2012.

Excerpt, from his concluding remarks:

....I will now give you more warnings about the economy. The noose is tightening on your organization, vast amounts of money printing are now required to keep your manipulated economy afloat. It will ultimately result in huge price inflation, or,  if you stop printing, another massive economic crash will occur. There is no other way out. 

Again, thank you for inviting me. You have prepared food, so I will not be rude, I will stay and eat.

Let’s have one good meal here. Let’s make it a feast. Then I ask you, I plead with you, I beg you all, walk out of here with me, never to come back. It’s the moral and ethical thing to do. Nothing good goes on in this place. Let’s lock the doors and leave the building to the spiders, moths and four-legged rats.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/robert-wenzels-david-speech-crushes-federa...

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment new game
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Rad maryjane nailed it! societies are a cabel of liars! the power structure evolves from honest at reset-1776, then degrades as liars promiss something and the majority literaly or figuratively buy it;germany after ww1-perfect example.- by this transaction physically/mentaly we become owned by the transaction. millions of these transactions get us incrementaly to where we are-flase promisses and acceptance by millions, collectivly-collectivists by peer pressure, acceptance over time that the government is good and will provide a better health plan or whatever and easily sold as people look for path of least resistance. the debt seals the deal in most cases, except for the rare cash and carry no strings attached buyer or the person that rejects a lie as a promiss that can not be fulfill-social security!

summation of concept: he who lies and decieves the best ends up with spoils-it is universal.

your mission:question everything and don't back down to these liars...

and remember everybody lies-it is self preservation whether monetary or ego centric.

little lies, big lies all the same; to get some sort of advantage-THINK ABOUT IT as you listen to RON P'S truth of society exit speech...

JMFO

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment new game
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JMFO

is just that;just my fucking opinion...

so go easy, as we all know opinions are like the asshole you wipe every day-some clean, some with a dingle ball, but for sure they fucking stink-eh

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Central Banks are really buying countries and people. Natch.

 

Question is, how will they monetize it now that people can no longer pay their rents? What becomes of useless breadeaters when the natural resources are the only things left of value and the breadeaters are not allowed to touch it?

 

 

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:57 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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gwar5... "What becomes of useless breadeaters when the natural resources are the only things left of value and the breadeaters are not allowed to touch it?"

TPTB long ago decided that ~ 7 billion mostly useless eaters were way more than was needed by them to provide for all their desires. Technological advance has made most useless eaters redundant. Robot factories building more robots are quickly replacing almost all manufacturing jobs and are encroaching on the service sector.

We have entered the 'get rid' of phase.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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Seems to me some of this piece is just a wee bit overthought. The normal folks are acting perfectly rationally by stocking up on cheap shit from elsewhere while their debt coupons are still worth something.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Cabreado
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"all we are seeing is an illusion of economic progress."

No, we're not seeing that.

"we can only suspend the laws of economics for so long."

This isn't an economic thing, and certainly not one of laws.

We can only suspend the fallout of a broken government for so long.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:01 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Government is just reacting as any idiot entity would when it doesn't understand the flaws in the economic growth model. There is little difference at how China, the US, the UK, the Eurozone, Russia are handling the NEED for growth under the weight of inflationary monetary policies.

Your "broken" government is just a symptom of a much bigger problem.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:06 | Link to Comment realtick
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Throwing Shit At Wal-Mart: iPads, Strikes and Shortfalls http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2012/11/throwing-shit-a...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:11 | Link to Comment FleaMarketPete
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The next four years will be unimaginable for Obama supporters.  Reality is a bitch.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:17 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Ben Bernanke is a financial terrorist.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:44 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Or "fucking dipshit who has done EVERYTHING WRONG"....either works.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:34 | Link to Comment mademesmile
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Just saw this headline, if it means what I think it means, wow. "US housing department says audit of FHA mortgage insurance fund found capital reserve ratio fell to -1.44%, representing negative economic value of USD 16.3bln"
We're in corzine negative land now

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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I agree that large long term gains were sacrificed to achieve small short term gains, but I disagree that there have actually been short term gains.

None of the lost jobs have been recovered. There has been no recovery.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:10 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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......and it is getting worse.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:10 | Link to Comment luckylongshot
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According to Gary North we are also being given a vastly optimistic view of the debt...as the Fed leaves unfunded liabilities out of its calculations..making the result as meaningless as the official unemployment figures...rather the $16 Trillion it is over $220 Trillion and rising at nearly $1 Trillion a month...meaning all taxpayers, who earn on average $50,000, would need to pay over $200,000 per annum for 20 years to sort this out...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:13 | Link to Comment chump666
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*US FHA faces USD 16.3 bln deficit; capital adequacy negative Audit suggests housing insurer could need taxpayer funds Agency backs 1/3 of US mortgages - Obama admin plans new steps to resist taxpayer bailout

Great job a-holes. 

FTW

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:24 | Link to Comment polo007
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http://www.safehaven.com/article/27684/central-banks-back-to-the-no-change-of-much-change

Blinded By Convention

Crucially (this being the key point that we have been wanting to make) just as societies can change their consensus views with respect to new fads and morals (no one makes a big deal about long hair and facial piercings any more these days), so the accepted norms of monetary protocols. Most certainly, this changing of the "monetary morals" is already well underway. Many don't see this as they assume that central banks will someday unwind their interventions. Moreover, they are blinded by the accepted conventions of central bank accounting.

To demonstrate this optical occlusion, consider this question: If the U.S. Federal Reserve (Fed) buys up U.S. treasury bonds, is the debt-to-GDP ratio of the U.S. actually being lowered? We predict yes. How so? The Fed pays for the U.S. treasury that it buys with new created money. It simply adds a liability to its balance sheet and shoves money out of thin air into the banking system. The Fed has a cost of capital that is virtually nil. Yet, it now collects the interest payments earned by holding the U.S. treasury bonds. What happens to this income? It is added to the profitability of the Fed. At the end of every year, this central bank transfers its profits to the federal government.

What has happened? Net, net, the interest cost of this debt has been lowered to the U.S. government (effectively, getting it rebated back). And, if the Fed never, never again sells down its treasuring holdings (maintaining them at the same level) isn't this virtually the same as lowering the U.S. federal debt burden?

Yes, of course. It would be the equivalent of these bonds being retired. Yet, the accounting convention of the central bank will be to still show these bonds as an asset. What you see therefore promotes a structural illusion. Of course, it all depends upon the question of whether or not the Fed will ever sell down its treasury position back to the private sector. Yes ... or no?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:30 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Tyler- The game is not over until it is over. The Fed, BOJ, ECB, etc...will print money, and eventually (if they have not already) buy equities / eq indices.

Yellan etc will not be put off by reality. They will continue to conjure up new Keynsian schemes.

They have 4 years to continue thids madness. Well, Marc Faber says they have less than 4 years....we'll see.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 03:58 | Link to Comment bluebare
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I haven't heard the words Credit Default Swaps spoken in quite some time.  I guess they weren't a problem after all.  sarc/

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:56 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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Even after the bailouts of 2008 it was a salvageable economy if the banks had been broken up and the guilty parties prosecuted for FRAUD.  Instead we've gotten bigger banks and the fraudsters continue unchecked.  It is truly a hopeless scenario.  We will crash and burn

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