Hamas Releases Video Of Downed Israeli Drone, IDF Denies

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Someone is lying here: either Hamas did not down an IDF drone, dubbed "Sky Light", and the clip below is one big fraud (unclear why Hamas would go to such a length to fabricate a downed drone video), or the IDF is lying when it said it "confirmed" that one of its drones had been shot down. Either way, we have a feeling that the airborne campaign is coming to an end, and that Israel may and likely will escalate to a full blown land invasion very soon unless something dramatically changes. We fail to see what catalyzes this.

Hamas video:

And prompt IDF response:

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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:16 | 2985660 dwdollar
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And believe what? IDF propaganda??? Haha...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:19 | 2985670 john39
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more bad news for the fascists on the propaganda front, they managed to kill an innocent teacher working with the U.N. aid agency in Gaza:

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/11/15/272495/israel-kills-teacher-wor...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:25 | 2985696 idea_hamster
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3rd possibility:

 

IDF is telling the truth (didn't lose a drone)

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Hamas is telling the truth (the shot down a drone)

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The drone is someone else's -- couldn't imagine what other country might have random drones flying around -- can you?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:47 | 2985733 nope-1004
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That's a model airplane.  Drones are big, some with 40' wingspan.  Stormy weather would toss that thing around at 120', let alone 10,000 feet  It's not a military drone.  If that specimen has wheels, the shag carpet it's sitting on would suck them up.  The video is a total joke - much like Benocides' "we have no inflation" speeches.

And for the record, I am not picking sides.... could give a rip about the never ending conflict.  Just my $.02 on drones that I've been up close to.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:48 | 2985778 cranky-old-geezer
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Whatever.

Let's hope these are opening salvos of WWIII.  Get on with it please, tired of waiting.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:55 | 2985802 BattlegroundEur...
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Hold your horses a bit.  I am still stacking and prepping.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:13 | 2985874 AldousHuxley
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Drone probably got infected by Stux virus and downed itself.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:29 | 2985941 Zero Govt
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They're BOTH right.

Hamas has got a Drone

Isreal is right, Hamas didn't shoot it down (there's no bullet wounds)

...it fell out of the sky as it ran out of Av-Gas checking-out an Arab lady having a shower... you don't think the high-powered perving cameras are used for 'military purposes' do you after the Petraus perv scandal reveals what our military are really interested in 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:08 | 2986067 Enslavethechild...
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The world is out of gas. Devaluation will drive the price up even if we find out that earth's core is composed of pure unleaded. They need something besides their fraud (paper money printing) to blame the impending increase in price at the pump, so they will start another endless war.

 A Kindergartener could figure this out

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:43 | 2986160 Transformer
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Nope-1004    You are wrong about that.  Drones vary in size from a couple feet across to bigger than most 4 place general aviation planes.  Many of the drones being used in the US by sherrif and police departments are not in the usual ariplaine format of a a motor, wing, fuselage, and tail.  Many are 4 motor helicopter type designs that can easily hover.

http://mikrokopter.altigator.com/

http://rc-drones.com/

That said, the drone in this video could be a hobbyist RC airplane, but I doubt it.  It did not have the look at all of a hobby type RC plane, and the rear drive propellor/engine package, particularly, does not look like anything you can buy at Tower Hobbies.

Now, here's the real kicker, a Drone IS an RC model airplane, with a different purpose. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 20:17 | 2986269 knukles
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Horseshit.  That's Francis Gary Powers' U-2 on loan from the Kremlin
Can't believe everything you see on HamasTelevision.  They don't even have HD.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:41 | 2986470 Spirit Of Truth
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Can't believe everything you see on HamasTelevision. 

Or BBC and CNN reporting on Hamas/Gaza...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162130

https://twitter.com/idfelite/status/269161464122720256/photo/1

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:55 | 2986816 Diet Coke and F...
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LMAO

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:29 | 2987080 kralizec
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Looks Estes to me.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:47 | 2986178 MillionDollarBogus_
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Groan...another story about drones........

Don't see what relavance a drone has to do with what is going on in Gaza.

Maybe the video producer has a brother who has an RC model store, and needs some more business...??

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 20:47 | 2986328 Yes We Can. But...
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perving cams?!  So I checked out pervcam dot com.......

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:09 | 2986038 TwoShortPlanks
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I fly Radio Controlled Electric Gliders (up to 5m span). I also trialled the Israeli Aircraft Industries' Drone 'Searcher 001' back in 1993...THAT Gentlemen, is NOT your usual Military Drone. I can almost say for sure that the design is flyable, it does look airworthy, but not overly sturdy. There's lots of information in that video if you know what you're looking at.

Here's what I see:
1. I am 100% sure it's electric; I recognise the Propeller at the rear and silver hub too (the Pusher Propeller at the rear is a grey plastic APC brand...very common). You can even see the screws for mounting the motor to the rear bulkhead.
2. There is an air vent on the top ('V' shape) which indicates there is a cooling requirement (Lithium Batteries, Speed Controller and Brushless Motor).
3. There are some commonly used RC Modelling components too.
4. The Ailerons are short and there are no flaps, so I'd say they really don't care about careful landings.
5. basic flight controls, no redundancy (disposable?).

Design:
1. It looks like it's man-packed (portable) or small vehicle launched.
2. Low cost (you could build thousands of these things cheaply).
3. Short range. I'd give it maybe 1-2hr max endurance. Being electric, and the design itself, although quite suitable, is NOT for endurance. The shapes are basically rectangular and offer minmum Lift-to-drag ratios (cheap and nasty not like F3B and F3J glider design).
4. Low speed; maybe 100kph max. The high aspect wing shape, tail shape and body
5. Low power; given the rear bulkhead, prop and hub, I'd say less than 1500W output (ergo 100kph max).
6. Lightweight; I reckon the span is about 3-4 meters, so I'd say it weighs around 5kg min, 10kg max.

One thing that gets me is that I see no Camera in the nose or underneath. It looks like it's either a decoy, electronic surveillance maybe, or, an expendable small payload (3-5kg) bomb carrier (laser designated/guided)...perhaps a False Flag Drone for media attention.

In any case, it's not what I'd build given millions of dollars in military funding, not even close.

If my aim was to make a fairly convincing low cost RC model Drone capable of fooling the world media, and passing it off as a US/Israeli Drone, then THAT is very close to what I'd make.

Just to give you some perspective, my 5 meter electric glider has 3000W motor/batt setup. It has full carbon fibre folding props. It's 100% fully moulded body and wings in carbon fibre and kevlar. Is sleek. Has 8 independant flight control surfaces......and you can make it ready to fly for under $3000.

So, why the low speed, low endurance, low cost, probably disposable, Drone?

That's the real question!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:12 | 2986075 nope-1004
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No kidding. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:54 | 2986188 Transformer
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Are you kidding?  Low speed, short range, disposable drone?  You can't think of any applications for that in an on the ground military operation?  The most valuable thing, I would think would be to get something up in the air, that is not likely to be detected (very low radar signature) and fly it around over the nearby enemy lines at afew hundred to a thousand feet.  You could even turn the already very quiet electric motor off, and silently glide over the enemy so as to reduce detection.  Get lots of pictures back to the operator, and if you lose it, so what.  Just put another one up.  Nothing secret in it, just a hi res camera that transmits pictures/video back.

Sorry for not recognizing the hobby parts, I never flew electric, just gliders.  that's a definite high glide ratio wing that would break down enough to easily fit in a jeep or humm vee.  I'd guess wingspan to be 5-8'.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 20:09 | 2986249 TwoShortPlanks
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Coming from a Recon/Sniper background (as well) I agree with you 100% on Low Level Ops (an eye in the sky is king), except on one point whch you've not covered. Which is; since when has the US or Israeli Defence Department EVER used RC modelling components when the whole point of military is to consume dollars in the military industrial complex?

Sorry, but even a shoe MUST be made under Defence contract.

This 'Drone' is something else....whether it be a mock-up, a Hamas False Flag, an Israeli RC Modeller, or a an overly keep Israeli soldiers' idea of value-add.......but it is extremely unlikely to be real military Drone.

I'd say it's to escalate agression and media attention.......and it's worked.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 20:47 | 2986327 Freewheelin Franklin
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when the whole point of military is to consume dollars in the military industrial complex?

 

They make up for it in volume.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:17 | 2988074 Yousif
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Rafael Skylite B UAV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x539_YgcSxU

I'm just posting this for information.

I'm just sad that innocent people are dying / going to die (on both sides).

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:55 | 2985803 PY-129-20
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Yeah, I agree. I mean - how long do we have to wait to get nuked? Seriously...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:57 | 2985811 francis_sawyer
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Sorry ~ but the geek who was operating it prolly just went on a break to microwave some hotpockets...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:30 | 2986126 Al Gorerhythm
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Gear up and shuffle up to the start line, hero.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:56 | 2985807 TX-Mike
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@Nope-1004:

You might want to do a little more research before you stake out your claim.

"Drones" is a term applied loosly to all sorts of unmanned aerial vehicles, which come in all sorts of sizes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmanned_aerial_vehicles

It's very likely a CIA drone, big effing deal.  That's pretty much what they are getting paid to do and I'd rather them be over there spying than on our soil....

 

Have fun guys.  You've been fighting over "God" for 1000s of years..  We are a bunch of dumb asses if we think we can stop it!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:07 | 2986063 nope-1004
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lol

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:54 | 2986504 Lore
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Religion is still a powerful mass opiate, but the so-called elites don't give a damn about "Zion" or someone's image of God.  This is about PSYCHOPATHS JOCKEYING FOR POWER.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:56 | 2986515 Lore
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From link: "Israel Unveils New, Improved 'Shoval' UAV"

Sure. That's it.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:10 | 2985864 dickizinya
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IDF marks their toys in english?

long twinkies!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:12 | 2986655 TwoShortPlanks
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That's what I thought too...This isn't a Military Drone, it's a 3-4 meter RC Electric Model.

Nice work tho.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:11 | 2985870 123dobryden
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according to the military spending in surrounding states it must have been Athen's...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:45 | 2985769 LeisureSmith
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I dislike Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove as much as the next guy, but you and your clickbaiting body need to get that sand outa your vagina. Your site reflects your name well. Some truth in advertising at least.

And that "drone" is just an israeli decoy meant to divert efforts.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:10 | 2985821 no taste
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Roll with it.  There is nothing like a karl-roll to get the laughing muscles working.

Karlrolling is more fun with more variety.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zev0V7YOS78

Look for more Karlrolling soon!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:17 | 2985889 Race Car Driver
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No one wants to hear your faggy whining about your STD's and being jilted by Karl Rove.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:27 | 2985902 no taste
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Dude, was that on the test to be a Karl-troll?  

Try to remember which character on your staff/puppet list "dislikes the Turd Blossom."  

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:59 | 2986033 The Gooch
Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:33 | 2986134 BeaverFever
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I spot bagel fragments on the left wing. It was from Israel.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:17 | 2985663 Titus Flavius C...
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prolly a bunch of greeks hiding in there.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:17 | 2985664 vast-dom
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video killed the IDF drone star.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:39 | 2985750 fockewulf190
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Remember, the IDF destroyed an unknown drone a few weeks back.  There exists the possibility that this video footage shows that very same drone, and Hamas is trying to shore up a "victory" of sorts.  Hamas is easily savvy enough to do something like this.

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:13 | 2986140 Al Gorerhythm
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VD. Where's that big fat "black swan" you staked your reputation on? I know that these things have a lfe of their own but that was a big call that you made.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:18 | 2985668 Rip van Wrinkle
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Just in from the BBC. The TV Channel you can trust!!

 

http://order-order.com/2012/11/15/bbc-news-runs-fake-palestinian-casualt...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:25 | 2985704 nonclaim
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Good catch. Here's hoping for another bbc head to roll...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:01 | 2986409 Al Gorerhythm
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Yeah....... and that's one ugly woman they are helping out of the rubble. Needs a shave badly. Typical of a towel head to hide behind a burka though. These two sides can flog each other from one side of the desert to the other and all of their supposed and real casualties won't raise a morsel of sympathy from me. Fight on boys and girls. That seems to be your only way of communicating with each other, so go keep up with god's work. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:21 | 2989061 Colonial Intent
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A BBC cameraman from palestine just had his 11 month old son killed by an israeli missile so the team reporting from gaza may be slightly biased.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:19 | 2985669 Quinvarius
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I thought I lost that on my mom's roof when I was 12.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:19 | 2985672 Overfed
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I like hummus.

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