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Kaminsky Slams Strategists: "Do As They Do, Not As They Say"

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In a brief four minutes this morning, CNBC's Gary Kaminsky summarized what many have suspected (and we have pointed to again and again) that investors should as the talking-heads are doing and NOT as they are saying (or writing). We have opined vociferously on this topic of the divergence between sentiment surveys and real money positioning, but the outspoken 'real money manager' is gravely concerned that what he is seeing now from the guests and newsletter writers is very similar to what took place in 2007: "Everyone saying they would stay fully invested, that they loved equities, that the housing boom was nothing to worry about (recovery now); while at the same time they were short-selling the market. People are saying one thing and doing another." Kaminsky nails it when he points to the obvious that everybody knows that the last four years have not been about the White House or 'recovery', but about Central Banks; and the last few weeks (post QE-Eternity) the realization of this fact has really sunk in along with a belief that the next four years are not positive for stocks. Not quite a Jeff Macke meltdown of truthiness but the veil has been lifted.

 

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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:50 | 2984702 So Close
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Loved watching this live.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:52 | 2984709 Enslavethechild...
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People on TV never lie

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:01 | 2984725 TruthInSunshine
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The sheeple can't ever know what the sell-side anal-cysts are actually doing until way, way after the point that they've "talked a lot."

Pump'n'Dump forever, bitchez, enabled by cnBSc, Bloomturd and their ilk.

 

p.s. - I hope Janet "Batshit Crazy" Yellen gets full control over what is already exceedingly insane monetary policy, not because I want to actually see harm done (I really don't), but because I'd like to see a total purge of the toxins in the system, which will necessitate that all faith in the Fed or any other "authority" is rightfully destroyed, and the sooner the sheeple come to the realization that these people are massively incompetent/corrupt/insane and have been lying to them for decades, the sooner this process/realization can fully unfold. The Bernank is fast, but Yellen would be faster.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:08 | 2984771 CClarity
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He also said to batten down the hatches, protect assets, protect your job, cash is okay, and recession is around the corner.

Well, actually he read that from the Wellington letter, but he in essence endorsed that view.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:15 | 2984807 TruthInSunshine
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I'd argue that we're actually in a depression if one were to deduct deficit spending, consider the number of Americans surviving based on federal and state direct transfer payments of one form or many (SNAP-EBT, SSI, Social Security, Medicare-Medicaid, UI, extended UI, etc.), subtract the number (in percentage terms) of government employees at the federal, state and local unit levels we now have versus that which we had in the 1920's run-up to The Great Depression, calculate the true, broad rate of unemployment/signficant underemployment & also the true decline in the labor force participation rate, account for the % of GDP that is actually present due to inflation versus increased consumption or productivity, consider the relative composition of consumption by private economic actors versus governmental or quasi-governmental ones, and do even a rough calculation as to how much government consumption that's now 44% funded by deficit spending is comprising total GDP.

But that's just me.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2984861 TrumpXVI
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Not just you.

I'm with you.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:39 | 2984928 TruthInSunshine
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We are pessimists. I wish I was an optimist.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:02 | 2985043 Pladizow
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At the hosts question, that MoFO back peddled!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:16 | 2985114 Nobody For President
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Hey TIS, I think 'realist' is better. I'm basically an optimist, but I gotta agree with you - things are gonna get worse before they get worse.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:46 | 2984962 hairball48
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Me Three. I'm with ya.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:33 | 2984894 hairball48
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Right on. I agree about Yellen. I voted Libertarian, but was actually glad to see O'Bummer win. Same reasoning as Yellen...the crackup boom will come just that much quicker. Romney would have just drug things out longer. The collapse of the dollar can't come soon enough for me.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:58 | 2984970 TruthInSunshine
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Billy Martin makes the call to the bullpen & brings Yellen in.

The Mets win the World Series & Empires spontaneously collapse.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:15 | 2985106 Everybodys All ...
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For those that don't know Janet Yellen. She is Nancy Pelosi times 10 for crazy monetary policy. The other choice is the big fat bastard Larry Summers. We are truly screwed.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:09 | 2985356 TruthInSunshine
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Janet Yellen is to monetary policy theory what Gary Busey is to classical philosophy.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:42 | 2985755 Dave Thomas
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How dare you besmirch Gary Busey's name by comparing him the Janet Yellen!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:00 | 2984752 youngman
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I was watching it too..and I was thinking to myself....You just lost your job....

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:33 | 2985193 tickhound
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At the end of the segment, Kaminsky did have that "there I said it, now deal with it" look as he spiked his mic in the endzone.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:01 | 2985832 AcidRastaHead
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Looking forward to the day he punches some strategist in the face.  Maybe twice for being two-faced.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:01 | 2984751 Enslavethechild...
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Politicians never lie

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:31 | 2984886 Freegolder
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Will anyone at ZeroHedge comment on this article that appeared yesterday?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-13/china-says-it-must-add-gold-res...

 

The post mentions a Bloomberg article and quotes from that article.

The Bloomberg post was purported to come from an article in the China Securities Journal.

 

Despite extensive searches, neither the Bloomberg article nor the China Securities article can be located. These seaches were performed within an hour of the post appearing on ZH.

What is the story here?

Why no link, why no articles.

The post has been picked up across the web (of course), but more and more people seem to be asking if the whole thing is fictitious.

Zerohedge, please could you offer an explanation?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:26 | 2985160 lemonobrien
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it was a gold pumps an dumps article. they had another about china, and how they don't need anymore golds; then they had another on how gold supply will drop 2% cause of all the problems with Africans.

 

it's all a crap shoot. I buy gold cause I was genetically engineered to mine/hoard it by aliens.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:53 | 2984713 GRsilverking
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I love Gary. My fav talking head. He made me big money since 1998 on SU! A REAL HUSTLER! 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2984738 Fidel Sarcastro
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He better stop all of that "truthiness" or he'll be fired.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:53 | 2984715 Boilermaker
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There's the 1350 SPX battle line for the FED.  Now, it'll be utterly retarded action to defend it like the Alamo.

Right on cue.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2984723 Alhazred
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did i mention that we can solve this by ending the fed.

 

http://wh.gov/XWkP

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:29 | 2984876 fonzannoon
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Kaminsky was just one firework on the CNBS crisis creation team. They don't give a shit what he says as long as it drives ratings. They love this shit.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:05 | 2985336 TruthInSunshine
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Automatic +1

Kabuki Theater. Anyone thinking anything is "unscripted" on Panem et Circensus Vision is still on Blue Pills.

 

Okay, okay...as ZH reminded, there are extreme exceptions (because no one is this good of an actor):

Jeff Macke Loses it on CNBC - YouTube
Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:54 | 2984718 Alhazred
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but but the market is so much more fun than regular roulette!!!

 

 

End the fed:

http://wh.gov/XWkP

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:57 | 2984730 Jonas Parker
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The markets may be more fun than regular roulette, but the odds are a lot worse and the ultimate result is the same for both... you lose!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:08 | 2984790 ShorTed
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Thx for the link, i'm in! 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:56 | 2984726 LongSoupLine
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His days at the "Ministry of Truth's" main puppet, CNBC, are now numbered.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:00 | 2984747 CrimsonAvenger
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Agreed. This year's Christmas party is going to be awkward.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2984774 Conman
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He can hang with Rick Santelli at the kids table.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:08 | 2984789 youngman
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I don´t think they celebrate Christmas at CNBC....Chanukah yes

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:12 | 2984802 NooooB
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I forget who they were interviewing. Some big hedge fund guy. When asked how he felt about equities, he said, "I'll get back into equities when cnbc is a sports channel". It made me laugh. But not cnbc.. They didn't laugh.. It was awkward.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:10 | 2984732 Mercury
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In other news: the government's strategic advice and decisions aren't optimal for those who don't work for or live directly off of the government.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:58 | 2984736 It is a bargin ...
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I quite liked Gary, shame he'll be gone

See what happens when you take a mans electricity away from him

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2984775 LongSoupLine
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was just thinking that too.  I think he's hit his "fuck it" limit.

 

Can't wait for his next rant-o-truth

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:37 | 2985504 MachoMan
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It's called the rats on a sinking ship gut spilling...  bill gross just got out way ahead of people

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2984741 Silver Garbage Man
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Forget about the talking heads and do what the smart central banks are doing BUY GOLD. We are getting very close to a MAJOR event. You better be ready.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:01 | 2984756 The Master
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I agree, but not yet.  There will be a liquidity crunch first and gold will be sold off along with every other asset.  Wait for a cheaper going-in basis.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:09 | 2984796 Silver Garbage Man
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Gold is becoming a tier 1 asset on Jan 1, that will mean much less liquidation. If you understand gold, at this point in the game it should be the last thing liquidated.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:22 | 2984843 The Master
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Like it or not, people will flock to USD in times of extreme panic and gold will still be sold even if it is Tier 1.  I don't believe we're at a tipping point yet where most investors see gold > USD as much as I would like that to be true.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:41 | 2984937 Silver Garbage Man
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I hear you but at some point some of the herd will wake up to the reality of negative real rates and they will be chasing hard assets out of fear and I don't want to be part of that crowd. Better years early than a day late.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:37 | 2984921 hairball48
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+1 for "Buy Gold" You got it. And the only way to do it is buy the metal...not some ETF

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2984743 SwampHonkey
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They wouldn't do that.I bought Facebook at killer deal 20,000,000 a share.They said it was a good deal.Are you saying they deceived me?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:00 | 2984745 TideFighter
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Fucking coward. Another POS Obama shill, and way too late for the ZH party, pal. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:02 | 2984765 catacl1sm
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I miss macke.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:06 | 2984783 LongSoupLine
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Dylan Rattigan too.  He was waaayyy to full of reality and truth.  Especially at a time when CNBS was at it's BS'est.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:02 | 2984766 spekulatn
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Great stuff ZH.

Mr. Kaminsky, thank you. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:02 | 2984769 Ineverslice
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Gary, u can pick up your check on the way to lunch.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:03 | 2984770 Silver Garbage Man
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Many of these talking heads know this thing is going to blow and they know they won't have any credibility unless they start talking truth.
Why do you think the bond king is talking gold?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2984772 otto skorzeny
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he was on Long Island(where he lives) yesterday carrying on about how his hometown-as he pointed out-"one of the richest in America"-didn't have power yet and then he had the balls to walk up to some lineman who was unloading power line poles and chewed him out because nothing was being done. typical east coast elitist asshole.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:07 | 2984781 Conman
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Well he's right. Not for chewing out the lineman, but these power companies pay out huge dividends instead of reinvesting into the infrastructure.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2984864 fonzannoon
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He could have chewed out the unions that asked all the out of state crews to kick in 20% plus of their pay to the NY union's healthcare plan in order for the privelage of coming here to help, But nah let's just bust some non name guys balls in the parking lot.

I knew that silver spoon was from that area just by hearing his annoying voice.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2984776 madcows
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the sheep were misled?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:07 | 2984787 kralizec
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Hmm...

Wonder what the response to falling equities will be?

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~

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:12 | 2984806 Gringo Viejo
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Always nice to see an American male who still has his balls.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:13 | 2984808 Milton Waddams
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Kaminsky strikes me as one of those guys that makes decisions based on "what I'm hearing".  Just another sheep.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:17 | 2984825 Quinvarius
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He is connected.  I will give him that.  He is just another Cramer living off the GS teat.  They gave it their best whack and now they are stymied at the target.  So cue the tears. 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:13 | 2984810 Minyan Vince
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yo where's that Jeff Macke meltdown clip??? that's prolly priceless

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:22 | 2984845 ebworthen
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79HLnTPxMho

A moment of sanity and realization of the Ponzi; "not allowed" in the MSM.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:01 | 2985313 IridiumRebel
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Nod if you are with me........

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:31 | 2984888 Temporalist
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Here you go:

Jeff Macke Meltdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79HLnTPxMho

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:15 | 2984815 Quinvarius
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My thesis is bullish.  Kaminsky can scream all day and all night.  It doesn't matter.  This market has done nothing technically bearish.  The same as every other time Wall Street told you to sell for no reason, easy money is what moves stocks.

Next time you and your cabal go on a stop hunt, bring a bigger gun, son.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:15 | 2984816 catacl1sm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Long Island essentially a barrier island? If so, expect a storm to lay waste to it.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:36 | 2984914 Temporalist
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Did you just wake up after a month long slumber?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:18 | 2984827 curbyourrisk
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Very soon he wil find himself as part of the unemployed figures. 

 

1)  THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL TRUTH....

2) See Rule #1.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:24 | 2984833 ebworthen
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Gary will either be sent to stand in the rain and snow to cover the next storm, or to Fox Business with all the other CNBC orphans.

I also didn't see him wearing the CNBC "Rise Above" campaign button, which is little more than urging politicians to screw the middle class again to keep the Wall Street/Washington Kleptoligarchy Calliope rolling and tooting it's siren song to main street.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:34 | 2987000 Supernova Born
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...and Joe Kernan, who has lambasted/skewered that bs "Rise Above" crap was "sick" yesterday?

Curiouser and curiouser.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:21 | 2984839 Northeaster
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Where is this "Wellington Letter"? I know of Wellington Management here in Boston, or is their investor report they sent out?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:25 | 2984856 tsx500
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bert dohmen

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:23 | 2984846 JustObserving
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the next four years are not positive for stocks.

Central banks have printed $8 trillion since 2008.  They will print at least $2 trillion a year and probably more.  The US Fed will be printing at least $1 trillion a year as US debt rises $1.5 trillion a year while unfunded liabilities rise $6.8 trillion a year.

Equities will go up in nominal terms as Western currencies become confetti.  You are much better off in Equities versus Treasuries.

Of course, gold and silver are better investments than  equities but Treasuries and Coirporate bonds will be swamped by inflation, sooner or later.

The next four years are not positive for currencies and bonds as they represent confetti - positive for real assets like precious metals, equities, most commodities and land.


Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:30 | 2984885 Conman
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Like the man says, why chase the yeild. Risks are all outta wack. Cash is "safer" at this point, with all CBS printing like mad whats really the chances the Us dollar will hyperinflate? Race to the bottom my man.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:04 | 2985055 antidisestablis...
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There's no prude like the reformed whore.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:09 | 2985078 Bastiat009
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"People are saying one thing and doing another"

If you're over 15 and you didn't know that, you need to grow up .. quickly.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:12 | 2985094 Downtoolong
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the last four years have not been about the White House or 'recovery', but about Central Banks

And the longer they keep lying about that (aka shoot themselves in the foot), the less likely anyone will ever believe anything they say again. That goes for their sell side MSM puppets and jounalists too.

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:28 | 2985169 Everybodys All ...
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"Gary, I've got Jeffrey Immelt on line 1. He sounds a little upset."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:51 | 2985270 IridiumRebel
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-Middle East on the Precipice of Major War

 

-Central Banking being exposed and out of bullets

 

-Fiscal cliff and the end to debt growth

 

-Housing Market is about to implode

 

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 16:35 | 2985491 Downtoolong
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"Do As They Do, Not As They Say"

Better yet, do it before they do it.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:21 | 2985681 Your Creator
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STOCKS ARE OVERSOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 17:26 | 2985706 chancee
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Wow.  Never, ever, ever hear the truth slip through like that...  May look to follow Kaminsky on Twitter... Look for a bounce pretty soon on that kind of negative sentiment that sucks all the bull-tards in one last time, then the mega-drop.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:19 | 2985898 Lost Wages
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When the truth goes on TV, is it still the truth, or did it just become a lie? Everyone sell so the cartel can buy on the cheap before the last big kick of the can.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 19:42 | 2986166 gwar5
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Kaminsky Omen is here.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:36 | 2986990 Supernova Born
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G-d bless you, Mr. Kaminsky.

If that was an act, give that man an Oscar.

I'm a sucker for honorable passion, but that IMO, was the best clip I've ever seen on Zero Hedge.

If he is lying or full of it, I will go all cash* for the rest of my life.

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