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No socialist has ever proposed that the “tens of millions”, i.e., the small and middle peasants, should be deprived of their property (“made to abdicate their property rights”). Nothing of the kind! Socialists everywhere have always denied such nonsense. Socialists are out to make only the landowners and capitalists “abdicate”. To deal a decisive blow at those who are defying the people the way the colliery owners are doing when they disrupt and ruin production, it is sufficient to make a few hundred, at the most one or two thousand, millionaires, bank and industrial and commercial bosses, “abdicate” their property rights. This would be quite enough to break the resistance of capital.

Further hint: here is the full speech:

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"How The Capitalists Are Trying To Scare The People"

In an editorial on May 17 Finansovaya Gazeta writes:

The political upheaval, which everyone looked forward to, is assuming the form of a social revolution without precedent anywhere. The ’class struggle’, which is a legitimate and natural thing in a free country, has taken on with us the character of a class war. A financial crash is imminent. An industrial crash is unavoidable.

 

“To effect a political revolution it was enough to make Nicholas II abdicate the throne and to arrest a dozen of his ministers. That was easily done in a single day. To effect a social revolution, however, tens of millions of citizens must be made to abdicate their property rights and all non-socialists must be arrested. This cannot be done in scores of years.”

That is untrue, worthy fellow-citizens. It is a glaring lie! You choose to call control over industry by the workers “social revolution”. In doing so you are committing three monstrous errors.

First, the revolution of February 27 was also a social revolution. Every political upheaval, if it is not a mere change of cliques, is a social revolution. The thing is—what class makes that social revolution. The revolution of February 27, 1917 took the power from the feudal landowners headed by Nicholas II and gave it to the bourgeoisie. It was a social revolution of the bourgeoisie.

By the use of clumsy unscientific terminology which confuses “social” with “socialist” revolution, Finansovaya Gazeta tries to conceal from the people the obvious fact that the workers and peasants cannot content themselves with seizure of power by the bourgeoisie.

By trying to ignore this clear and simple fact the capitalists are deceiving themselves and the people.

Secondly, “without precedent anywhere” is also applicable to the great imperialist war of 1914–17. Such a debacle, such bloody horrors, such a disaster, and such a break-down of our   entire civilisation are “without precedent anywhere”. It is not anybody’s impatience, not anybody’s propaganda, but objective conditions and this unprecedented break-down of civilisation that necessitate this control over production and distribution, over the banks, factories, etc.

Failing this, tens of millions of people can be said without exaggeration to face inevitable ruin and death.

In view of the freedom created by the “political upheaval” of February 27, in view of the existence of the Soviets, such control is impossible unless the workers and peasants unite, unless the minority of the population bows to the majority. Nothing can alter this, protest as you may.

Third, and most important of all—even for the purpose of a socialist revolution there is no need at all for “tens of millions of citizens to abdicate their property rights”. Not even socialism (and control over the banks and factories does not yet mean socialism) requires anything of the kind.

This is an infamous defamation on socialism. No socialist has ever proposed that the “tens of millions”, i.e., the small and middle peasants, should be deprived of their property (“made to abdicate their property rights”).

Nothing of the kind!

Socialists everywhere have always denied such nonsense.

Socialists are out to make only the landowners and capitalists “abdicate”. To deal a decisive blow at those who are defying the people the way the colliery owners are doing when they disrupt and ruin production, it is sufficient to make a few hundred, at the most one or two thousand, millionaires, bank and industrial and commercial bosses, “abdicate” their property rights.

This would be quite enough to break the resistance of capital. Even this tiny group of wealthy people need not have all their property rights taken away from them; they could be allowed to keep many possessions in the way of consumption articles and ownership of a certain modest income.

The question at issue is merely that of breaking down the resistance of a few hundred millionaires. Only in this way can disaster be averted.

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Final hint: all of the above was not said yesterday in Europe, or today somewhere in the US. It was said on May 19, 1917...

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Give up?

The author is Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov 

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aka V.I. Lenin... who just happened to be a little ahead of his time

 


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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Neethgie
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I actually thought krugman for a moment...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment ACP
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No shit.

More articles like this, please.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:11 | Link to Comment tsx500
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FOWARD !

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:32 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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si se puede!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment financial apoca...
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Finansovaya Gazeta= Financial gazette just fyi

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:23 | Link to Comment onelight
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thanks -- I was feeling confused 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Sockeye
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"unless the minority of the population bows to the majority"
That's the whole problem with socialism right there.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:57 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Sockeye said:

"unless the minority of the population bows to the majority"

Mob rule, also known as democracy.

That's the whole problem with socialism right there.

I think you may have a point there.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:23 | Link to Comment Half_A_Billion_...
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the nerds are coming--> http://www.techmeme.com/121115/p55#a121115p55

Wordpress site #22 on Alexa and it doesn't even include subdomains.  Also, things are picking up on Berlin.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I would prefer to put hollow point bullets in the heads of the entire Rockefeller and Rothschild family members, and just get it over with quickly.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 03:13 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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But is make sure really hollow, some is counterfeit with Tungsten, even reputable dealers!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:52 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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And the GOP supports bailouts and the N.D.A.A.

Nowhere to turn, electorate.  Your only vote now is with your wallet, and your life.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:11 | Link to Comment e-man
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Krugman can only wish he'd written that....

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:34 | Link to Comment Midas
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I am the Walrus.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Cheyenne
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+1 for noting the Big Lebowski connection.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:01 | Link to Comment bxy
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shut the fuck up Donnie!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:11 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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That comment really ties the article together.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment youngman
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Krugman has probably copied a lot of it..plagerized it

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Alhazred
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Yea that is what the author said Vladimir Lenin...

Oh you said krugman yea sorry I get those two confused.

Perhaps we can start by ending the fed.

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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:26 | Link to Comment RazvanM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Romania

When a group gets unlimited power to get away property from somebody, it will soon have enough power to get away property, liberty and life from anybody.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment Clayton Bigsby
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Seriously, me too...

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Frank Marshall Davis, Jr. ???

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment lunaticfringe
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Big papi?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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You called?

Obamerica - Wage slaves supporting welfare slaves.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Not Davis: there were no nude pics of underage girls.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 03:30 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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How does one determine underage? I mean 20 is under the drinking age, and 18 can't buy tobacco or firearms. 17 is legal in most states though, so how does one determine "underage"-ness?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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Scary, isn't it?  Substitute progressives for socialists and middle class for bourgeoisie and it could be today.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:25 | Link to Comment vato poco
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Hey, if you wanna mke an omelette, you gotta break some eggs. (and tell a shitload of lies, but only till you get elected.)

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:16 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Everything rising on easing hopes.  Yea.. All hail the communists !

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment nmewn
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And I say again, every pregnant socialist, gives birth to a bouncing baby communist.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:38 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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eww

progressive larvae

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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We should never have banned DDT

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:42 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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WTF!!...Pelosi's pregnant?!?!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:25 | Link to Comment Orly
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Besarionis dze Jughashvili a.k.a, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:58 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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The first clue those guys were bad is they all had "nommes du guerre" or whatever.

Like "O-Phone" has so many, and extra SSNs too.!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment booboo
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and tomorrow most of us willingly arise to take part in the task of twisting the rope they will hang us with. Keep voting sheep.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Workers of the world unite. We have nothing to lose but our chains.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

I want to be a commissar!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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I thought it was a Boston Globe oped. Not a recent one. One written before they went full boat Shining Path on the Charles.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Henry Chinaski
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And after that, how many workers and peasants starved or froze to death?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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Decadent capitalist exploiters, wringing every kopeck from the workers, is the cause of death
Coke, cigarettes, Twinkies, are the murders names. Our Comrade Hero Bloomberg tells us so! Unfortunately, some workers health is too far gone, despite the best efforts of caring comrades at the fresh air camps. Others are mentally shattered and no amount of motivational singing by the nightly campfire will revive their spirits.
Death to merchants of Transfat !

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:52 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Mercifully, the cheka and the nkvd shot many of them in the back of the head so they wouldn't have to suffer.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:56 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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"Mercifully, the DHS and the FBI shot many of them in the back of the head with their .40 hollowpoints so they wouldn't have to suffer."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Let them eat famine.............

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:15 | Link to Comment Shell Game
Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment illyia
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Another false dichotomy. Either your are with us or against us. So the "Third Way" is introduced to give a false alternative. (Does that make it a "False Trifecta"?)**

What we need is transparent (lacking in corruptable dark corners) good management. Not for profit of the managerials, but for the profit of the nation (composed of citizens - Oooo that make me a socialist -)...

All this red-blue, socialist-capitalist, blather is just a method of keeping the ball in the air.

U R Da Ball...

**http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trifecta

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:13 | Link to Comment vato poco
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How exactly would you describe statements that begin with, "What we need is...."? Wishful thinking? Obscuring harsh reality with a pleasant fantasy? "Keeping the ball in the air"?

What we need is for everyone to be nice, and help their neighbors, and share, and sing Kumbaya at the neighborhood potluck suppers. And ponies! Everyone needs a pony!!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:38 | Link to Comment illyia
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Okay vato abigu anon,

What we do not need is corrupt, backroom deals, hidden rewrites of bankrupcy and credit laws, trumped up wars, propaganda and bread and circus games while everything not nailed down is stolen by men and women having their manicures done (and BrazWaxes) in home-spas as I type this. If it takes a revolution, fine. If I get a pony with that revolution. Fine. Love ponies.

I am sure that Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine wished (over their potlucks) that the Monarchists would get the hell out for quite a while before they acted. Eventually, if you wish hard enough... and everyone clicks their heals...

Presto Changeo

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:38 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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I want a unicorn.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:57 | Link to Comment knukles
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You didn't want that unicorn yourself.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:54 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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Those Skittles you are eating? You didn't shit that.

Millions and millions of government unicorns shitted those Skittles so that you and your family could eat Skittles today.

America is in Skittles because of the United States Unicorns.
Thank a Unicorn.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Please. I can't take any guessing games right now. I was just in a long, drawn out discussion on monetary theory.

 

Why do I do this to myself?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:44 | Link to Comment jballz
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Nonpartisan. That sid, Republicans are pushing class warfaer harder than libs. Every Romney comment capped off with "oh they didn't vote for me because they want free stuff"

I didn't vote for him because he's an asshole. 

But the middle class is jumping on it, all about the Obamaphone.

Class warfare. 

Bad idea... 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Class warfare from the Left is smelly hippies playing bongos and sleeping in dirty tents. I don't think the Right is going to go that route.

Oh, well - to each his own, I reckon.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:10 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Who's sid?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:02 | Link to Comment knukles
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He told ya... "That" Sid

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:47 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Gnash, gnash, gnash.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Being Free
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Third, and most important of all—even for the purpose of a socialist revolution there is no need at all for “tens of millions of citizens to abdicate their property rights”. Not even socialism (and control over the banks and factories does not yet mean socialism) requires anything of the kind.

Hot Damn!  I'm not sending that 4th quarter income (my fucking proprty!) tax payment.  Thanks mr O, glad your mentor Vladimir cleared that up for me.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:04 | Link to Comment SaveTheGreenback
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Madison, Jefferson, and many other Founders feared the "mob" socialist mentality.  You can find writings from the 1700s that refute all of Lenin's arguments...Lenin wasn't ahead of his time....he was a Marxist

 

"I have no doubt but that the misery of the lower classes will be found to abate whenever the Government assumes a freer aspect and the laws favor a subdivision of Property."

James Madison

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:22 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Another great scam brought by 'americans': focus on the lower class and focus on the upper class. Do not take a look at the middle class, they are harmless.

Well, when one takes a look at the 'american' middle class, so many things have been attached to them.

As usual, 'americans' prefer to divert attention to small players instead of looking at the stars.

Many copycats after 1776,July,4th... But none has managed to equal the magnificence of the stealth committed by 'americans'

If you want stealth, ask for 'americans'. Undisputed best humanity has to offer.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:21 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Apparently the decennial changing of the guard back in Beijing didn't result in any staffing changes at the Chinese Citizenism Ministry of Truth.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment bigtool05
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SaveTheGrenback, I think you're missing the point of this post. Pretty sure zerohedge isn't supporting Lenin...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment SaveTheGreenback
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bigtool05

 

I think Tyler is pointing out how the mob socialist mentality is revelant in modern day America. That could have very well been Paul Krugman, as someone said.

This mentality is why Obummer Santa Claus was re-elected.  Peolple are choosing free phones and food stamps while personal responsiblity and private property rights are going extinct.  

It is sad and our Founders greatly feared the majority in such a scenario...

 


 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Pairadimes
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"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:12 | Link to Comment walküre
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Maxine Waters couldn't articulate herself well enough to write this.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment knukles
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That Max don't write

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:13 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Chicago Tribune Op-ed?

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:18 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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The most important fact was that Lenin was funded by the international banksters. "Communism" did not last 2 weeks after the revolution, if that. What actually happened was merely a new Czar system, worse than before, because the social pyramid ended up being steeper than ever. The bullshit around "communism" then became another foil, for the plutocracy to use to transform "capitalism" to become more and more of a distorted fake, as the threat from "communism" was grossly exaggerated, as another in the endless line of historical excuses for the powerful to become even more powerful.

There is only ONE KIND of human system, organized lies, operating organized robbery. There are only different versions of that. The more that somebody says they are the "good guys" the more sure one can be that the are probably amongst the worst! The problem is that wave after wave of those who are the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, take over civilizations, and then use that up, by destroying it. There is ONLY one reality, and that is frauds and robbery. There is only the potential for that to evolve into better balancing systems, which is rare, and tends not to last long, or else, there is the more often realized potential for the established systems of organized lies and robbery to become more and more unbalanced, until that becomes so extremely unbalanced that it destroys itself.

There are no "isms" or systems other than organized lies and robbery. There are no solutions but possible dynamic equilibria between those different systems. There are ONLY different gangs of criminals, organized to advance their interests, who rationalize and justify that with their own brand of the biggest bullies' bullshit. The more people understand that and organize more effective resistance, the better it could be. The more people get brainwashed to believe in ANY of the biggest bullies' bullshit, of whatever brand, then the worse that becomes.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment wretch
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Fuck yeah, RM.  None dare call it conspiracy.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:51 | Link to Comment JR
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It’s a dangerous game to mislabel monopolies and banker-controlled, despotic governments as capitalism.

And it is dangerous indeed to forget why the American system produced the world’s most explosive economic growth, or how collectivism, socialism and fascism and communism, have been proven failures.

One concept describes the American system’s success:  government protection of an individual’s right to pursue his own interests, to create and build his estate, to invent and reap the benefits of his ideas, to dream and work tirelessly to benefit himself and his family.

The People’s Republic of China, for example, is not a republic and implication of any significant control by the people, of course, is complete fabrication.

Collectivism, socialism and fascism, puts citizens in the boat of reduced standards, punishes the achievers, rewards non-achievers, wastes massive resources on one-size-fits-all, promotes indolence and cheating as achievement is discouraged, and wherever it’s been tried it attracts bureaucrats or despots to pull the levers of power.

Our Founders gave us freedom. Now, as freedom and independence succumbs to plutocracy and collectivist globalism, it would be wise to remember the words of Athenian leader Pericles in his funeral oration over Athenians fallen in the Peloponnesian War: “Remember that prosperity can be only for the free, and that freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.”

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, I agree, JR. The deliberate design of the American checks and balances constitutional system was a major factor that enabled American history to have some good aspects, for a lot of Americans, for a fair while. The most interesting aspects of the American history were the periods when the People relatively won against the banksters.

My favourite example of that was, of course, President Andrew Jackson, who was a hero in the War of 1812, which was the banksters' attempt to punish America for not renewing the banksters' charter, back then, and later, and more importantly, Jackson survived the banksters' attempts to assassinate him, in order to kill the banksters' bank.

Without those relative successes of the American People against the international banksters, it is impossible to imagine American history would have been anything but dismal throughout. Due to those relative successes, a foundation was laid, which endured for a fair while, where the checks and balances systems, and the relative respect for the rule of law, etc., actually worked well enough. However, from the 1870s onwards, after the assassination of President Lincoln, everything got worse, faster!  First the banksters were able to stop Americans from using silver as money. Then, they were able to create the Federal Reserve and Income Tax. Then, they were able to totally divorce "money" from gold, which enabled the runaway exponential growth of total American debts.

Thereby, America went through runaway debt slavery, into the current state of debt insanity! Simultaneously, the checks and balances were eroded and undermined. The constitution gradually became meaningless, at an apparently exponentially accelerating rate, just like the total social debt problem did, and so, especially recently, the rule of law appears to have been destroyed.

Therefore, I agee with you, JR, that, to the degree that previous generations WERE able to fight for relative freedom from the international banksters: "Our Founders gave us freedom. ... Now, as freedom and independence succumbs to plutocracy and collectivist globalism ..." 

Unfortunately, THAT is the real path is the one "America" is on NOW! The international banksters HAVE been able to take back almost total control over the USA, and thereby, Americans have succumbed to plutocracy and collectivist globalism! 

Monopolies have triumphed, and thus, beneficial diversity has been systematically destroyed. That is a tragic trajectory, since that monopolization becomes a more and more rigid, rampant social insanity. I WISH I believed that enough Americans would wake up enough, through enough different levels of awareness, to be able to defeat the banksters again! However, doing that this time would require way more profound paradigm shifts in political science than I can believe are actually possible! Under stress, people regress. Therefore, instead of creatively going forwards, stupidly attempting to bo backwards is the most probable series of events, which shall then backfire even more spectacularly!

The current "leadership" of Americans are almost totally bankster system puppets, who are therefore systematically destroying what America once was, to transform it into something that will fit inside of their plutocracy and collectivist globalism! Unfortunately, such a collectivist globalized plutocracy would be the achievement of astronomically amplified lies, backed by correspondingly sized violence, which will destroy itself through its own madness, in proportion to how successful it becomes at doing that!

The history of the rise and fall of fake communism SHOULD be a lesson against doing things like that again!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:25 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Monopolies have triumphed, and thus, beneficial diversity has been systematically destroyed.
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Beneficial diversity? 'American' economics is all about consumption. It explains this 'american' liberality when it comes to churn out useless concepts.

'Americans' aim for uniformity. 'Americans' hate on diversity.

If this situation of monopoly exists, then it means another triumph for 'americanism'.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:32 | Link to Comment e-recep
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get real people, capitalism without government does not exist, cannot exist. we are no longer hunters and gatherers, we live in a society. societies need a governing body to settle things among ourselves. this problem is unsolvable. things are bound to escalate up and down. we are in the "down" phase at the moment, face it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:51 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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The best defense for America was a large, vibrant middle class. Destroy that and you have....Obamunism!

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment t0mmyBerg
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I disagree.  I do not think the US srarted out that way.  What you describe sounds like Russia or China or what the US has become.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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T0mmyBerg:

From within the context of Europeans fleeing Europe, and the American revolution freeing them from the domination of the international banksters, you are correct.

However, from the perspective of the European invasion into North America, robbing everything from those who had been living in North America for more than ten thousand years, previous to that European invasion, then I believe I am still right. As well, from the perspective of the Africans who were forced to come to America as slaves, and therefore, not regarded as human beings, then my perspective is also correct.

What IS happening now is that more and more average Americans are being treated like the Natives or the Africans were before. That is to say, the government of the USA is treating the average America people as if they are not human beings, who deserve to be respected as individuals, as like the African slaves were, and the majority of middle class Americans are being systematically robbed of everything, like the native Americans were.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:30 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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So funny.

'Americanism' needs to be fed. Many 'americans' consider their 'american' status a birth right that can not be stripped from them and ensure they are on the right side of 'americanism'

For 'americans', the indians and the negroes did not exist. That is why they can keep considering others' small achievements in theft when their american 'achievements' are so better.

Indians and negroes belong to the blind spot of history as it must be perceived by 'americans' in order to ensure the comfort of the 'american' tale.

The trouble is as some 'americans' are being pushed on the wrong side of 'americanism', they will also join that blind spot. Just to ensure that the remaining 'americans' can enjoy the comfort of the 'american' tale.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Americans should more deeply appreciate what American governments did to the Natives and Africans, long ago, because THAT is what is being done to them NOW!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:32 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Alas, alas, triple alas, if there is something 'american' dislike, it is when others treat them the 'american' way in some sort of the way.

Illegal settling is the 'american' way. Yet so many 'americans' are punished by well established 'americans' for behaving the 'american' way.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:31 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Alas, alas, the non-complex cube root of 27 alas, if you point to something 'american', I am envious of it.

Signed: AnAnonymous, the George Dishwashington of US  'american' citizenism.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:17 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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14th Nov millions join strike in EU:

http://www.zcommunications.org/14n-millions-join-largest-european-strike-ever-by-j-r-me-e-roos

Photos of history unfolding:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=391099560969422&set=a.205186092894104.52516.204982326247814&type=1&theater

And so Southern Europe continues to tremble on its very foundations. As smoke rises from the streets of Madrid, Lisbon, Rome and Athens, one thing is becoming ever more clear: the question is no longer if but when the social explosion will hit. The outrage is building up, and with unemployment rising, austerity deepening, and a generation of Europeans increasingly disillusioned by state intransigence and outraged by police violence, such an outburst of popular rebellion seems ever more inevitable. All it will take is a spark.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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Nonsensical commie gibberish.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:24 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Who said this? : "Marxism never sleeps... so neither shall I."    Hint: no longer with us either.  Answer: Former anonymous gulag inmate.

 

Factoid: Right after the Bolsheviks took over, the men went to all the towns and cities and divied up the women. They were lined up in the streets and the hot nubile ones went fast, somebody elses wives and daughters, to be fresh breeding stock to ensure a new generation of Bolshevism, for the state. The old ones and homely ones were rounded up in trucks and sent away to work in the fields, for the state.

There was never a plan, or intention, by the Lenninists to ever transition out of the Soviet's temporary "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" that Marx said was only required for a short period of time to restore order. Eventually, only 10% of the population were committed party members running the communist empire over the other 90%. 

 

Who said this, while pleasantly sipping coffee in a cafe?: "There is no such thing as Socialism, it is a complete myth. It doesn't even exist. There is nothing written down, so who shall say what it shall be?  We do! We make it all up as we go along and that is the truth of it, if you really must know."


Answer:  V.I. Lennin, in a fictional conversation with him in "Lennin in Vienna" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, former gulag inmate.

 

 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment JR
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Now comes the American “kulak.”

The wannabe communist appeasers, the Rubins and the Blankfeins, have spent your SS and Medicare and tax money and now are demonizing the 250,000-aires as the “rich” to make them cough up the losses while they park their trillions in offshore tax havens--awaiting another tax-free repatriation holiday from Congress to avoid taxes.

It’s an old socialist trick. Demonize America’s true middle class that made America great -- that class between the upper and working classes that employees 50 to 70 percent of Americans and keeps the GDP machine going  -- in pejorative terms to arouse mob hatred.

It’s exactly how Stalin whipped the madding crowd into a frenzied strife to annihilate Russia’s hardworking peasants, calling those who had worked and accumulated a bit of sustenance – especially from farming the land -- kulaks.  At the time, the true meaning of kulak in Russia was “a miserly, dishonest rural trader who grew rich not by his own labor but through someone else’s, through usury and operating as a middleman.”

“The scathing term proceeded relentlessly,” said Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn in The Gulag Archipelago!, “and by 1930, all strong peasants in general were being so called --all peasants strong in management, strong in work, or even strong merely in convictions. The term kulak was used to smash the strength of the peasantry…

“….these peasants, whose bread grain had fed Russia in 1928, were hastily uprooted by local good-for-nothings and city people sent in from outside. Like raging beasts, abandoning every concept of ‘humanity,’ abandoning all humane principle which had evolved through the millennia, they began to round up the very best farmers and their families, and to drive them, stripped of their possessions, naked, into the northern, wastes, into the tundra and the taiga…" 

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Kat
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In Russian "kulak" means "fist".  The connotation is correct, but that is the translation of the word.  It was actually Lenin who called for the heads of the Kulaks.  In fact, many people believe that Stalin somehow hijacked the revolution.  Completely untrue.  Stalin was Lenin's chosen successor and Lenin was at least as much of a bloodthirsty psychopath; he just ruled for a shorter and different period of time.

My family risked our lives to flee to America from the Soviet Union.  Now I'm watching as America is setting a coarse for the same hellish destination.  Of all the countries in the world, it is paradoxically America that has the biggest probability of becoming the most like the USSR (yes, it can happen here - in its own version).  It is the only country with a gigantic government that has resources and the will to go after its citizens anywhere they might run and the police state in the USA is only growing.  At an alarming rate.  Time to move again.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:30 | Link to Comment JR
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Thank you for this exacting clarification and your enlightening but very sad statement.

I share your observation that America is turning the corner into a police state but because of its worldwide footprint of power, it may be more advisable to fight than to flee.

Ironically, the same people who seized and destroyed Russia now have America by the throat.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:03 | Link to Comment falak pema
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You don't get it; the "same people" implies some blood line or hidden tribe of evil doers bowing to some occult ideology or hidden God disseminating their evil all over the globe.

This has ALWAYS been the excuse of the "just" Oligarchs, who fight for good,  all through the ages to chastise the sheeple in revolt supposedly blinded by the hype of the evil manipulators. Its all smoke and mirrors, as the likes of Socrates, Galileo and Solzhenitsyn, have proven over and over again. Hegemony is always garbed in "just" causes of crusades and clash of civilization, to hide the real issue : the spice and silk routes or the oil patch, fount of economic rejuvenance. 

The "same people" is but the rational expression of that time honoured and oft repeated phrase that reminds us that history's chimes do rhyme : "all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Its the excessive power accumulation through innovation, sacrifice, and courage of the "great generation" age that USA became top dog in a middle class horizontal construct bequeathed by the "we the people" meme; that then morphed since Aldous Huxley day under hubrsitic delusion to what it has become today. 

Thereby proving once again that age old adage's relevance to the human thread. Oligarchical America crossed a Rubicon on that fatal day, and never looked back.

The "same people" is US, or those of us who have gone down this road lock, stock and barrel for the wrong, corrupt reasons; as always. 

"THe fault dear Brutus lies not in our stars..."

Not easy to defend the horizontal thread, which "balances" the verticality natural to man;  in fact it makes us all into sons of Sisyphus! That balancing is the true price for what we call civilization. But we don't seem to know that.

Good piece of inverted totalitarianism hype in this article. Not that I advocate replacing Oligarchy rule by Statist rule. THere has to be a middle road between Charybdis and Scylla!

And as always its a bitch to find it!  Just read the Odyssey!

The dividing line between neo-feudalism and neo-sovietism is thinner than a siken hair of Jezebel, or Circe.

Heil Hegemony and die Spartacus! 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:44 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Buenos dias, Sen~or. Quiero vivir en Costa Rica.

?Cuanto es la mordita?

Tengo oro.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Kat
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In Russian "kulak" means "fist".  The connotation is correct, but that is the translation of the word.  It was actually Lenin who called for the heads of the Kulaks.  In fact, many people believe that Stalin somehow hijacked the revolution.  Completely untrue.  Stalin was Lenin's chosen successor and Lenin was at least as much of a bloodthirsty psychopath; he just ruled for a shorter and different period of time.

My family risked our lives to flee to America from the Soviet Union.  Now I'm watching as America is setting a coarse for the same hellish destination.  Of all the countries in the world, it is paradoxically America that has the biggest probability of becoming the most like the USSR (yes, it can happen here - in its own version).  It is the only country with a gigantic government that has resources and the will to go after its citizens anywhere they might run and the police state in the USA is only growing.  At an alarming rate.  Time to move again.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment jtg
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Exactly. My people the Armenians had to join the USSR and became slaves for seventy years in order to survive, but are now free of that nightmare. My father came to America for peace and freedom. If he was alive he would be shocked to see me planning my escape from the US. We know that at least half of Americans are not smart enough to see what is happening and keep asking for more handouts from government, and the other half are just trying to survive but slowly giving up. I am done with America. It has morphed into a foreign country that has trashed every good principle from its founding, including its Constitution which it treats like toilet paper to be abused by even its Supreme Court of jesters. I feed no further allegiance to America. The re-election of Obama is symbolic that Americas are asking, begging, pleading, to make every possible mistake and suffer to the max. Why should I have allegiance to a country with a majority of marching morons that have a death wish?

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:44 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Wow if only there was an american left with some balls, yknow like the guys who rebelled against their god appointed master back in the day.

Face it, america is now a nation of eunuchs, corruption is the only way to profit, rich people dont pay taxes and poor people dont pay taxes, why would anyone want to be middle class?

 

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment QuietCorday
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My grandfather, born to a farming family, deported to a Siberian gulag as a teen, had a saying ...

"Swords never beat into ploughshares. But by the time soldiers realise that, they will have killed all the farmers."

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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Lawrence O'Donnel , Chris Mathews, Ed Schultz, and Rachel Maddow could recite this in their sleep. Oh, and don't forget carbon tax man Al Gore and kicked to the roadside pal Keith Olbermann would make Lenin look like a capitalist.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Karlus
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War is coming

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 00:10 | Link to Comment loup garou
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ummmm.......Linda Green?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Maybe some will grasp the true meaning of Obama's declaration in one of his last campaign appearances, that voting is the best revenge. I think this is an absolutely clarifying statement. This is about economic justice. The exacting of revenge from the culprits, the villians of our current disaster, the wealthy. These people, much like the radical muslims will not hesitate to co-opt their enemy for its own destruction. Obama will use the greed of the banker and business elites to enable their own demise as with all others that would resist his "fundamental change" of America. Many will discount a Marxist agenda on Obama's behalf because his obvious favoritism to the elite but don't believe for a moment this is anything but facilitation for his ultimate goals. Before it is over many of these guys will likely be in jail or discredited publicly except for the few true believers. Meanwhile most of what remains of the free markey will be gone along with much of our remaining personal freedoms. Many of our hated wallstreet regulars we have all come to despise are now seeing the writing on the wall and while I have no pitty for them they will be the sacrifice used to justify our losses. We all know that the tax increases Obama demands will not fix anything, but they are the tribute he demands for justice. Once they have been tapped out he will come for everyone else who has a pot to piss in.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:42 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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"We all know that the tax increases Obama demands will not fix anything, but they are the tribute he demands for justice. Once they have been tapped out he will come for everyone else who has a pot to piss in."  (Oldwood)

 

That, sir, is the best two-sentence summary I've read regarding the sitting president's motives and MO.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:39 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Spot on, old chap.

I wonder if MacAfee's old place is up for sale now that he's headed to jail?

Expatriate, Bitchez!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:21 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yes, it is dead on.

As countless commenters have said for the better part of three years now, the increased tax rates on those making over 250k will not amount to anything, a drop in the governments fiscal bucket...830 billion over >>>ten years<<< is the estimate.

By way of scaling that number, the government just ran a 120 billion dollar deficit for October...alone.

Once it is passed...and it will be, for it is much MUCH easier to foster envy and hate than respect and love...attention will turn to that vast pool who has just been manipulated and lied to by same. Appeals to the lower middle class' patriotism will become the new order of the day.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 07:06 | Link to Comment Peterus
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Somebody has to take the blame. For full-on socialism it would be most advategeous to put it on:

- speculation, international trade, interstate trade, too big corporations and too small companies (in general - on economic freedom and pieces of it that are nice targets),

- bankers (they are already hated and if you can't evacuate everyone - who's going to make it to the lifeboat - guy with money, or guy with a gun?).

Though I would not rule out blaming only "excessive" freedom and outside forces. They might still very well get two lifeboats on this Titanic.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment jtg
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Oldwood, do you have your own blog? I would be interested in following your thoughts.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 02:00 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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William Shatner?

Seriously, either woodrow wilson or fdr's treasury secretary william woodin...somethin to do with wood and W's.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 03:21 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Things went quite wrong when they centralized power and installed the Politburo. Then came uncle Joe.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:34 | Link to Comment archon
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There's not a dime's bit of difference between the Communist Manifesto and the Democrat Party agenda...  sadly, there's only about 25 cents worth of difference between the Manifesto and the Republican Party agenda.  Where communism always fails is they simply cannot stop persecuting the producers.  If only they could learn to accept a little capital in the system, they would be able to sustain their power almost indefinitely.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Socialism/communism is like the overused comparison to cancer. It cannot successfully coexist with capitalism. The plan has always been world domination as they knew it could not compete with capitalism. Why is it that they always want to wall off themselves from the rest of the world and purge the non believers? Their whole concept of existance is central control. Centralized control always leads to corruption and abuse of power which is reflected in failure. For those believers, the only solution is more control, the doubling down, which causes even more destruction and even more demand for more control. AS with cancer, it becomes about feeding itself over its host. It loses any connection with its host and starts to see the host as its enemy. Unfortunately the cancer only dies when the host is dead. We see this every day in even the smallest government entities that have adopted this centralized command ideal. Schools are failing and their only response is to spend even more money that feeds the cancer that is destroying the educational system. The idealism of marxism demands absolute adherence. No pragmatism here. Lets not look at what's working as the only thing important is the belief, a belief that cannot be questioned or scrutinized in anyway. Capitalists, while easily capable of rationalizing immorality and corruption, will always be turned by pragmatism if it creates profit. Marxists care not of profit or revenues or prosperity. Their only concern is control. They don't care about how much tax money they can steal from its citizens. They want it all, not that they are greedy for what the money will buy, but the absolute means to control behaviour. No, just a little bit won't do.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:04 | Link to Comment jtg
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Oldwood, yours is a great comment on Socialism/Communism.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 04:41 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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When you want to learn about theft, when you want to learn about running an extortion of the weak, farming of the poor scheme etc, you can choose to learn from the best or you can choose to learn from some bootleggers who miserably failed.

There is a huge crisis coming off: 'americanism' has taken over the world. And 'americans' can stand each other's ways.

Apparently, some well established'americans' still wish that the newcomers to 'americanism' take their lessons from sunday league players.

The reality is that many around the world have chosen to learn from the best when it comes to stealth, extorting the weak, farming the poor. And the unchallenged best are 'americans'.
The persistence of 'americans' at not reporting their excellence in that field wont change that.

Who is interested to learn from the communists, the fascists, the nazis or any other sad loser when you can learn the trade from 'americans', the best that was, the best that is, the best that will be?

Quick answer: way too few people around the world to the taste of some 'americans'.

This is an 'american' world and a US world order.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 05:45 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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When you want to learn about theft, when you want to learn about running an extortion of the weak, farming of the poor scheme etc, you can choose to learn from the best or you can choose to learn from some bootleggers who miserably failed.

When you want to learn about stench, when you want to learn about squatting and excreting in the street, crapping in public etc, you can learn from the best or you can choose to learn from some poopleggers who miserably failed.

Chinese citizenism: a leg up on the rest of the world.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c9_1328304616

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:23 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Not at all true, the rest of the world wants american style consumerism and the corrupt people in their country promise it in return for power, its not possible due to finite resources but no politician ever got elected by being honest and truthful about what was needed. (Ron Paul)

Corruption of the commie ideal is no different than corruption of the capitalist one, if lenin or uncle joe were around today they would be at GS or the Fed and if ben was around back then he would be running the NKVD.

Personally i dont care which system is used, TPTB need to either start another bubble/crash cycle so i can milk the muppets all over again or let it crash and let the chips fall where they may, thats good for me too.

If yobamma had lost, ZH would be full of paid articles for financial leeches and the comments would all be bullish, oh and t'dow would be approaching 14,000.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:08 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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COMRADES!

FORWARD!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:36 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Lenin? Damn. I thought it was billy ayers ghostwriting for the O-Phone!

Dreams of My Soviet, coming soon!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 06:57 | Link to Comment Benjamin Glutton
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Understand then all of you, especially the young, that to want to impose an imaginary state of government on others by violence is not only a vulgar superstition, but even a criminal work. Understand that this work, far from assuring the well-being of humanity is only a lie, a more or less unconscious hypocrisy, camouflaging the lowest passions we posses...Tolstoy

 

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him...Tolstoy

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:11 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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 During the administration of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a 92 percent marginal income tax rate for top earners in the United States...

 

Filthy commie!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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GREAT, just give us Dwight's balance of trade and international competitiveness as well as tax code structure, and we might be able to make this work. You got another bubble up your sleeve?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment jplotinus
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I got it right :-p

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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This capitalist doesn't care. This capitalist is enjoying the short equities position and long PMs position. Looking to expand my short equities position later on at some point. I surmise that once Congress goes on vacation for the Thanksgiving holiday, we will see some sideways to upward movement in the indexes. Everything will be driven by circumstances in Europe and the Middle East for a week or so. So in other words, nothing.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Ranger4564
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Crony Capitalism... Crony Communism... Crony Socialism... Crony Democracy...

 

There are alternatives and repeating history is not the right direction. But who cares, it's so much fun being arrogant / condescending while not really addressing any of the apparent problems.  No, being self absorbed is not solving any problems...

 

By the way, fiscal cliff... Fiscal Cliff... FISCAL CLIFF... give me everything you have and we will still fall over but there will be a big mattress at the bottom.  Fuck the cliff, it's imaginary, because there is no fiscal. It's just a fucking scam to confiscate wealth and rights.  There was no money so the true cost of goods / services / rescue is closer to 0, not 700 Trillion.  Given that, why is every blog / media outlet still talking imminent demise from fiscal cliff?  Who do you protect, who do you serve? The fucking oligarchs obviously.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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Americans are clueless and ignorant on "social-ism", hence the fear.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Yes, we be just stoopid! We need an enlightened leader that can rise above our stoopiddy. Forward!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment mh505
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Even the establishment, from time to time, has been able to learn from Marx (if not from Lenin whose ideology was actually quite removed from the former's).  See here an article by the Atlantic's James Fallows of June 2005

http://esocap.com/uploads/files/Countdown.pdf

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"Socialists are out to make only the landowners and capitalists “abdicate”."

Point taken, but it happens to be an ABSOLUTE lie. Actions speak louder than words, and Lenin's actions leave no doubt.

Edit: Shit I almost forgot, FORWARD!

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