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150 Seconds Of "You Can't Handle The European Truth" From Kyle Bass

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"A popular revolt will happen" is how Kyle Bass sums up the endgame from kicking the can in Europe. Dismissing the headline-making 'But, Blackrock is buying European bonds', Bass reminds Bloomberg's Stephanie Ruhle that very few ever get the crises correct and that the herd will keep buying things until it blows apart. With massively over-leveraged banks and a Greek dependency, Bass notes that investing in Europe now is like picking up a dime in front of a bulldozer and expects Germany will eventually leave the Euro (within 3-4 years) as the 'joint-and-several' liabilities will never happen. 150 well-spent seconds to summarize just what is going in Europe, as he concludes with Milton Friedman's quote on Europe: "when they hit a bump in the road, it will tear them apart at the core."


Stay tuned to the end for his clear reasoning for why this will not end well...


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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:51 | 2988289 fonzannoon
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Does anyone know if Pelosi, Reid and Boner got their buy orders executed before they spoke?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:55 | 2988307 camaro68ss
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WTF just happend in the market. DOW turns positive in .5 secs


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:57 | 2988317 fonzannoon
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look at my comment above you.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:02 | 2988346 camaro68ss
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The bernake must have flipped the Overdrive switch on the printers

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 16:00 | 2989254 lemonobrien
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hey dude, it's all propaganda, and it's all lies. mixed with some truth like the devil do.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:51 | 2991279 Lord Koos
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Wow, Karl sure has a lot of fans on this site.  

He's probably buying up all the twinkies he can find right now.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:13 | 2988412 Fredo Corleone
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Kyle Bass -- the guy always rang a bell...Got it: Bass looks a little like my brother Santino.

"We don't discuss business at the table."

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:01 | 2988671 Midas
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You could watch CNBC all morning and not hear that much worthwhile information.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:13 | 2988415 CoolBeans
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Reply:  A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.  

(From "The Matrix")

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:55 | 2988308 CClarity
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Never mind that Virgin America just canceled 20 Airbus orders or that WalMart employees plan to strike on Black Friday - - - stocks will be saved by Congress, just not the minions that they represent.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:21 | 2988458 fockewulf190
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And lets not forget that 18,500 my way or the highway union workers get to go home permanently, each of them with a twinkie rammed up their ass on the way out.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:46 | 2988591 XitSam
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Why do union names always sound like communist organizations?  "United Food & Commercial Workers International Union", "Department Store #1", "Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union", "Grocery Store",  "International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 25".

So droll. Why not the "Fun and Tasty Baker's Union" or the "We Light Up Your House Local 15"?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:00 | 2988664 Boba Fiat
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Why do union names always sound like communist organizations?

Because they are?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:52 | 2991280 Lord Koos
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Right... labor organizations have no place in a free society.  You guys are unbelievable.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:38 | 2991834 prains
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Boba Fat

2000 years of history shows that if workers don't organize they are exploited to death, the issue is not about organizing but exploiting

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:58 | 2988978 Matt
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"Making Change at Wal-Mart" seems to show a sense of humour.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:57 | 2988319 scatterbrains
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Did you mean their sell orders ?  Unless gold leads the way this pop is designed to be sold into hard..  or so I'm thinking

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:02 | 2988344 fonzannoon
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scatterbrains gold has moved 2 bucks all morning. Somneone has it firmly in a headlock right now. I would not draw any conclusions from gold right now.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:26 | 2988486 Al Huxley
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Look at the open interest and trading volume on GLD options and you can make a pretty good guess about where gold will be moving over the next 3 hours.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:35 | 2988535 fonzannoon
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thanks for the tip. i'm so confused i just keep driving to the coin store and turning around halfway there lol.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:25 | 2988476 Al Huxley
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I'm sure they waited for confirmation before speaking.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:26 | 2988487 slaughterer
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I started feeling better about the place I work when the women started admitting stronger crushes on Kyle Bass than Jamie Dimon.  

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:53 | 2988296 A Lunatic
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From can kicking to Ass kicking, bitchez...............

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:55 | 2988299 Cognitive Dissonance
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"....very few ever get the crises correct and that the herd will keep buying things until it blows apart."

The herd is always right..........right up until it is spectacularly wrong.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:01 | 2988328 hedgeless_horseman
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Don't forget the injuns are helping to injuneer it.  The tribe must eat.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:32 | 2988519 Harbanger
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In the painting the injuns already had European horses.  It's a terrible waste to chase the entire herd over cliffs on horseback when you can easily chase and hunt only what you need.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:46 | 2988568 hedgeless_horseman
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...easily chase and hunt only what you need.

Yes, the injuns are much smarter these days...

Germany, like Japan, are post-war pawns. Their currencies are DESIGNED to be debased, as and when needed, to achieve synchronized diving with the pound and dollar. If Germany wasn't in the Euro, its prior experience with hyper-inflation would prevent it from debasing when instructed to do so (obviously not a problem with the Nips). Both countries go along as willing pawns simply because they have been re-created post-war as export nations totally reliant on weak currencies.


The PIIGS profligate spending has ALWAYS been there, like a fat store, and can be used by the brain when needed to feed the body.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:56 | 2988634 Harbanger
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Good point, I keep forgetting they were re-created post-war as export nations reliant on weak currencies.  I don't think exporting to the PIIGS was in the equation though, maybe it was the plan with the Euro.  China was the wildcard no one anticipate at the time.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:28 | 2988815 AnAnonymous
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It's a terrible waste to chase the entire herd over cliffs on horseback when you can easily chase and hunt only what you need.

Painter was an 'american'. The scene had to be spectacular. 'Americans' love their propaganda and fantasy.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:38 | 2989137 Harbanger
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I like you hun, that's why I'm telling you that as sure as water will wet you and fire will burn it's going to be Hell.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 16:13 | 2989337 ImnotPOTUS
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Canvas is not big enough. Off to the right is a passle of white men. They "gave" the horses to them in exchange for keeping all of the hides to take back east. The Chief protested that he needed the skins for clothing, white man countered with clothes and blankets and threw in the small pocks for free. Why piss away money on expensive bullets when you can get the locals to run around and do the hard work for you.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:54 | 2988303 RSloane
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investment in Europe = picking up a dime in front of a bulldozer

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:25 | 2988478 Cognitive Dissonance
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Eventually to be.......investment in USA = picking up a dime in front of a bulldozer.

Just because Europe is leveraged 3 times more than USA doesn't mean the USA is in the clear.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:01 | 2988987 catacl1sm
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Is it a silver dime?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:54 | 2988305 Neethgie
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Do we delude ourselves that its 17 nations under god?

YES YOU FUCKING MORONS, Forever US analysts have been talking of Europe as if its a mirror USA, we hate each other, we are our own people in the eu we fight to get the best for ourselves with someone elses money...

The whole thing was built on nothing, now its going to collapse..

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:08 | 2988376 GeezerGeek
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Brussels should set up a web site allowing Europeans to submit and subscrige to petitions. I wonder how many people would sign up to secede from the EU.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:14 | 2988423 Neethgie
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We have a govt site in the uk called epetitions...

to be read out, they need 100,000 votes.. the one demanding a vote to leave the eu is one of the few that have made this milestone.. another Petition is getting close to that..

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 16:58 | 2989582 Shigure
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Stop the beer duty escalator?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:42 | 2988901 Lednbrass
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We also hate each other in the US and fight to get the best for ourselves with borrowed money from advance paycheck loans based on the future earnings of elementary school kids.

Seems pretty similar to me, I dont think Europeans understand how far from united the US is and just how deeply its regions despise each other.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:55 | 2991281 Lord Koos
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I think you're exagerrating.  Do you get out of your "region" much?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:56 | 2988314 mjorden
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"how many of your relatives" .... stop right there Mr.Bass

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:57 | 2988971 gmrpeabody
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Actually, my parents would have been fine..., it's the sisters, aunts and uncles, cousins, and in-laws that can kill.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:56 | 2988318 IridiumRebel
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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:57 | 2988320 Shizzmoney
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Who the fuck would think buying ANY Euro debt is a good idea?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:59 | 2988329 Temporalist
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The people that want to dump it on you after they convince you that it's a great deal because, well, they bought it and they are the "smartest people in the room".

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:24 | 2988473 resurger
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Corzine did! That didnt end well too.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:52 | 2988952 youngman
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Yes watch out..they will "package it"...get it rated AAAA....and sell it to some dumb Pension fund for the return that THEY have to get to keep their job...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:20 | 2989051 dbTX
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It ended pretty well for John, he's 1.6 B ahead

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:57 | 2988322 Segestan
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He's good.Smart man that is part of the 5%.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:58 | 2988323 Temporalist
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Goldman Sachs will place a technocrat in any place it desires in order to get these countries to cede sovereignty.  No need for democracy when you can buy control with counterfeit fiat.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:59 | 2988324 DavidC
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"..the herd will keep buying things until it blows apart".

Well, that's certainly the case today. Mere minutes after Londong close, the Dow goes up 100 points. Looks like HFTs and algos are jerking each other off over the last few days.


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:01 | 2988334 fonzannoon
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I am telling you David these politicians are going to take a page out of Draghi's book and rumor drop the next month. Each rumor will be bigger than the next. The market will hang off every word. Then there will be minor "setbacks" behind closed doors that must be "hammered out" but they will assure us it will be okay. This will go on and on.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:02 | 2988339 Dr. Richard Head
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You better be careful.  SEC has a "jerk* off" Google alert set up.  They will be all over your computer.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:59 | 2988325 LongSoupLine
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Kyle Bass for President.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:12 | 2988413 slackrabbit
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him &  ron

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:52 | 2988618 francis_sawyer
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Unless you donate millions to AIPAC causes, you're more likely to get a bullet in your head...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:18 | 2989866 Midas
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Soupline-  Take a look at our national politicians and particularly the senate.  Then remember we have guys like Bass and James Grant around  and we are electing Pelosi and Harry Reid.  What a disgrace.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:59 | 2988327 Crtrvlt
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Bass Says Half His Fund Is Invested in Subprime Bonds

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:03 | 2988351 ghostfaceinvestah
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How much was he down on his Yen short before it finally started turning around the past few days?

This guy is a one-hit wonder, much like Paulson.  How does he think subprime bonds are going to perform if the European economy falls apart?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:09 | 2988389 fonzannoon
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because the fed will buy them all from him. i hope he asks to get paid in nickels

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:24 | 2988469 Life of Illusion
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You cannot win when markets are distorted “behind closed doors” as he said.

Without “behind closed doors” access expect more crying and loss,,just crowd noise.

Just another fund manager trying to make a return for clients in and illusionary market.


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:00 | 2988330 Bay of Pigs
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3-5% get it right?

Sounds like the amount of people buying gold and silver now.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:00 | 2988331 Dr. Engali
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A sane voice in an insane world. Germany needs to leave now, if this goes on for three more years the results of the extra misery inflicted will make the consequences much worse.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:34 | 2988528 kito
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the problem i have with kyle is that he steers away from any talk of real u.s. implosion........he keeps discussing the end of the euro, and the fraying of japan, yet he seems to think the numbers will work out for the u.s......that the u.s. will cut a little, raise taxes a little, inflate a little, but that all is well in the Un-united Secessionists of America...................

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:37 | 2988546 fonzannoon
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i would say it is less that and more that we are the last domino to fall. but thats just my imo. Schiff on the other hand says we go before Japan. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:48 | 2988599 Tinky
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That is correct. In longer intwrviews, Bass is clear in his view that the currunt path is unsustainable for the U.S.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:57 | 2988643 kito
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ive listened to his longer interviews, and yes he says its unsustainable but fixable.......he has made that clear....i dont see his math working with regard to the u.s...........................

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:02 | 2988674 fonzannoon
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I am not sure I agree, but let's say you are right. He claims to have a bumper sticker that says "god bless our troops, especially our snipers". So his patriotic side may prevent his brain from drawing some very inconvenient conclusions.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:44 | 2989166 SgtShaftoe
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He has stated recently a change in opinion.  He recently said, "I can't fix that".  I think he agrees with Paul, we've already crossed the Rubicon. It's over now, just a matter of time.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:55 | 2988631 kito
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i really think schiff has turned more optimistic.......its subtle, but you can pick up on it....hes more vague these days....not making the bold calls anymore.......he still selling the metals....but not with the same apocalyptic tone......not sure what he sees........

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:04 | 2988682 fonzannoon
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I don't hear him screaming hyperinflation as loud as I expected but his "operation screw" rant after QEI was announced was about what I anticipated.

Kito what are your thoughts now? Romney is a distant memory, Bernanke is already on QE4, Gold has popped a little but it's essentially standing still. Where do you see things going?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:39 | 2988875 kito
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still dont see hyperinflation occuring anytime thing that seems to becoming clearer to me....and it hit home with the recent martenson interview with the arch druid greer dude (who by the way is pretty darn insightful--you should check out his blog), is that that regardless of what acute issues occur, the long term trend for this country is down down down........and no economic maneuver, from mises to keynes, will fix the costs will continue to rise, the country will continue to put its money toward maintaining people as opposed to infrastructure, decay will become rampant in many parts of the country,  and eventually the u.s.a will become a third world country......if its stays doc said, the chances of its splitting up grow stronger every day...........

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:00 | 2988983 fonzannoon
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Alright. So lets get past that since I totally agree. I realized from this storm I ain't sticking around when the shit really hits the fan. So....Equador?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:22 | 2989063 kito
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what works for one man may not work for another...........ecuador is a wonderful country, but its also third world........with a population of around 14 million, its able to feed itself, has oil and other minerals, great fertile land due to the volcanic nature of the country, it also has diverse regions ranging from beaches to mountains to rain forests.....correa has been very smart and worked to forge trading partnerships with asia, trying to ease the reliance on the u.s. market................not a bad place to consider but you need to establish yourself there well before tshtf..........the big downside of course is wont find many opportunities unless you are of the entrepreneurial nature.........spanish is a must......english is rarely used...........and they also use the dollar as their if you see the destruction of the dollar, it could be a problem.....although i have no doubt that correa has plan B in place because he despises the dollar, but keeps it because he knows the country wouldnt accept a currency switch at this point.............all in all, you have to visit to know if its right for you. there is a growing expat community down there, especially in cuenca. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:23 | 2989072 fonzannoon
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Thanks for the input. I am hanging my hat on Texas or someone completely breaking away. This is so messed up.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:39 | 2989141 kito
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i have a friend who left suffolk county 5 years ago for dallas. he and his wife and two young kids couldnt be happier............the only downfall for him is that he is a diehard yankees and giants fan....but nothing the nfl/mlb packages cant fix.........his stress levels are down, his quality of life up.........yeeeeeee haaawwwwww........................

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:52 | 2989200 fonzannoon
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I hear ya. I have a small business here. I can't walk. I can begin to impliment a plan B. Maybe Texas is it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:58 | 2989250 kito
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careful with choosing austin, tx as your new home, i heard they are planning to secede from the secessionists ;)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:46 | 2989171 SgtShaftoe
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It's crisis fatigue, you can only be afraid of the engame so long before you'd just wish they'd get on with it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:53 | 2988621 samsara
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Remember this point from someone else's comment

"I liked him as soon as I heard that he bought a $1MM face value of nickels"

I think he covered the US in previous interviews. Same.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 16:23 | 2989153 SgtShaftoe
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He's mentioned it, and spoke about it quite a bit, enough for us that understand to get his wink/nod.  He's already stated 2 years ago we will have hyperinflation in the US, he said last year on his coming undone video that he thinks the US will continue to print.  When asked what that means, he stated, sardonically and ominously that "well... then you're in BIG trouble."  

The guy has a share ownership in a huge ranch in texas, owns lots of gold and firearms.  His vehicle has a sticker on it that says "support our troops, especially our snipers".  How much more do you need to know?

Truth is, he knows if he talks openly about the endgame most people who are trapped in normalcy bias, will think he's crazy, until he's right.  What benefit does he have to going Ron Paul and shouting from the rooftops what is coming.  All that will listen already get it, and are onboard.  

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:01 | 2988337 Bam_Man
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Is Kyle growing a beard?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:29 | 2988503 natty light
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no shave November

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:31 | 2988511 Imminent Crucible
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It's his Sonny Crockett habit. I've seen him appear on BBC with three days' stubble.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:57 | 2988970 youngman
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Pirate Week....aaaarg matey

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:02 | 2988342 Rathmullan
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There is zero will to make the eurozone work. "Officials" are merely buying time to construct their bunkers to protect themselves from the popular uprising that Mr. Bass refers to. The people will be going head hunting one day soon but none of the real perpetrators of this disaster will be home.  

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:49 | 2989190 SgtShaftoe
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What are they going to live with Newt on his moonbase???  There is no place for a hunted man to hide anymore in a modern world.  It won't be like the Nazis fleeing to Argentina and Brazil.  Once this shakes out, people, if they chose to, would be able to find them.  Are they going to live like Osama, or Carlos the Jackyl in some middle east shithole?  Don't think so.  

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:00 | 2990478 Tompooz
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I think along the same lines.

oh.... and by the same logic, the Jews are destined to be the first space colonizing Nation. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:07 | 2988372 Kaiser Sousa
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the Dow...

one big fucking joke...

banker owned politicians march and say absolutely NOTHING substantive and the markets shoots for the fucking moon...

what exactly r those mother fuckers gonna do - pause............................................................

borrow more couneterfeited debt coupon dollars from bitch ass Bernanke...

cant wait for this economy to crumble in total....fucking bullshit....



Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:07 | 2988377 Fuh Querada
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Mr Bass appears to be incompletely informed. Germany will not leave the Euro, and neither will Greece or Spain or any of the others. This will not be allowed to happen by the banking elite. The Euro is the trial run for the planned SDR or world digital currency. There are many more specific reasons but the derivatives book of Deutsche Bank will do as a starter.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:10 | 2988398 slackrabbit
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you try telling that to a starving mob, while we place bets...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:28 | 2988495 Fuh Querada
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There may be mobs, but no money or banks when EUR exits and debt writeoffs make € 59.2 trillion of notional derivatives ( as of Dec 31 2011) go up in smoke:

Why do think there has been all the posturing to keep Greece in since 2010? Their debt must be maintained in EUR denomination at all costs and every last ounce of collateral secured. If they return to the drachma they will be bought out by the highest bidder of US, Russia and China.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:34 | 2988527 Imminent Crucible
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It would be to Germany's advantage to exit the EMU and escape their debt liabilities, while leaving Deutsche Bank and their other insolvent turd repositories behind.  Banks are easy to replace. I replaced BoA with a small, well-capitalized regional at no cost in a single day.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:07 | 2990495 Tompooz
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"If they return to the drachma they will be bought out by the highest bidder of US, Russia and China."


Add Turkey, Iran (!) and Israel to the list of bidders for a foothold.

A powerful lot with an interest in the Euro's demise.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:19 | 2988449 Winston Churchill
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The Europeans are not chemically or psychologically subdued like

American serfs.

Lamp posts will be decorated with hanging bankers if this continues.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:31 | 2988506 Fuh Querada
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That would be justice, but by now it should have started.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:48 | 2988603 littleguy
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The Europeans are subdued by government handouts fresh from the printing press.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:50 | 2988944 Lednbrass
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Yeah, this is clearly evidenced by their insistence that they be allowed to retain arms for the purposes of apprehending said bankers. Its not like the first burst of fire into a crowd of protestors is going to mow down the front rank and scatter the rest to the wind.

Oh wait...

America is different partially for that very reason, over here things would get VERY violent and bloody very quickly. There is a big difference between a bunch of people throwing molotovs in a city and a bunch of people with weapons on par with that of security forces. Picture the riots in Greece where the protestors have scoped high powered hunting rifles, AR-15's and AK-47's, its a very different situation. Occupy type coastal urban hipster dipsticks are one thing, the flyover country population another entirely.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:18 | 2989046 pirea
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"a bunch of people with weapons on par with that of security forces"

you are realy dreamer

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:47 | 2991067 Amagnonx
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The controllers are not stupid - it does not appear they are able to force this through under current conditions, that means conditions need to be changed.


I think the controllers are going to do something fairly insane shortly, to force EU integration - a nuclear strike is probably coming to the EU - that would probably sort out the last resistance.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:09 | 2988385 slackrabbit
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listening to logic & reason on msm is like a breath of fresh air...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:11 | 2988392 fasTTcar
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I liked him as soon as I heard that he bought a $1MM face value of nickels.


He gets it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2989021 Tod E. Tosspot
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While I'm with Bass on the gist of his comments, the nickel play seems like a dumb bet. Since 2006 it has been illegal to melt down pennies and nickels. And it's also illegal to export more than a few dollars' worth. His upside is definitely not worth risking a felony, especially since as an outspoken, evil hedge fundie he's not in the gubmint's good graces.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:53 | 2989204 SgtShaftoe
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It's not illegal to melt down Reichsmark coins or Rentenmarks, or throw Zim dollars in the fire.  A defunct currency is no longer a currency.  It's just a matter of waiting.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 17:24 | 2989684 RockyRacoon
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Love ya, Tod, but your thinking isn't wide ranging enough.  When the nickel is replaced with a polymer composition "coin", the Treasury won't care what you do with the old metal nickels.  In fact, the more that get melted the more the populace will adopt the new coinage.  The destruction will be condoned if not encouraged. Gresham's Law and all that.  Do you see them giving a crap what you do with silver dimes or quarters?  Nope.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:43 | 2991952 Ballin D
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Its an interesting concept.

If nothing happens and business continues as usual, hes holding currency.  Loses to inflation and opportunity costs.  In any direction that the economy could go catastrophic, he wins.  If equity collapses, hes better off in currency.  His spending power would increase with deflation.  The metal content is a hedge against inflation (the big assumption here is that the nickle would have to be dropped as currency - either for being too expensive to make or not being a meaningful unit of purchasing power).  

The worst outcome is that he ends up holding currency which is hardly worse than bonds right now. Except the nickle is default-proof because he gets to melt it if it defaults.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:13 | 2988418 fuu
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Only $2,550,000 worth of monetization during those 150 seconds.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:17 | 2988436 Lost Wages
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I think Bass is going to get burned on this one, but at least he has $1,000,000 worth of nickels to fall back on.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:47 | 2988595 littleguy
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I think you might be right. What he says is what has happened historically. Problem with EU is, it's like the USSR, it doesn't move or react to reality. It's a seriously powerful political unit that is only in power due to the fragmented nature of national politics in EU countries. They're all coalition governments, so enamoured with power that they only care about the status quo. Only if Greece kicks off will the end game be brought near. Otherwise we're looking at 3-5 years like he says before the Germans get fed up as their economy begins to stagflate.

Endgame is coming, it's just taking forever. The Europeans are simply rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, not actually doing any real planning. Italy could possibly kick off too. They love a good riot / insurrection in Italy.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:54 | 2988627 Rip van Wrinkle
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You can't eat nickels.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:17 | 2988437 NorthPole
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So how is his yen short doing?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:26 | 2988481 swabeyjw
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Looks fine to me. Both usd and eur are on a downward path. Really sucks that they need to play war games on their own collective to stay away from each others throats. It is more than just 17 that are not getting along. We have been a collective since e = mc^2 landed in government hands. Here is hoping for a safe path to steady state at the zero growth bound - well at least until spacex ramps up;)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:36 | 2988540 edb5s
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Bass is the most concise and intelligent talking head out there.  I love Schiff but a lot of times he gets excited and can't see the forest for the trees (at least at it relates to his interviews).  Bass is great at putting things into perspective and explaining them so that even the morons on Bloomberg can understand.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:36 | 2988542 cosmyccowboy
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there will be only 10 nations in this end time german led resurection of the 'holy roman empire'!


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:58 | 2988610 SillySalesmanQu...
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Breaking news: Large craters began forming all over Europe early this morning. Citizens were out in the streets thinking the end of the world had started. Later it was discovered that the cause was Helicopter Ben dumping ship containers of nickles upon the central banks of Europe.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:57 | 2988630 mayavision2012
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Just in:


"A leaked document from EU Council President Herman Van Rompuy detailed proposals for raising the UK’s payment to Brussels by £800million a year for the next seven years."

British officials were outraged by the plans and insisted David Cameron remained ready to block the EU’s budget with a veto at a crunch Brussels summit next week. A senior Downing Street source said: “The Prime Minister is not moving an inch on this.”

Tim Aker, of the anti-Brussels campaign organisation Get Britain Out, said: “It is inexcusable to send one penny more to the EU.  Van Rompuy speaks for no one in the UK when he demands more EU spending.”


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:14 | 2988729 q99x2
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He knows not God. He seems like he is from Texas.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:32 | 2988837 AnAnonymous
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"when they hit a bump in the road, it will tear them apart at the core."

So, in 'american' language, it means that if they are torn apart, it will be because they hit a bump in the road.

Dont look at the road, trying to figure out what a bump is and what bump will trigger the event, 'americans' do not work this way.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:56 | 2988972 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"When they take a dump in the road, they will blowout their gut from the core."


So, in Sino-Tibetan French-Indo-Chinese Uto-Aztecan Huguenot-Tolteccian Antarctic-European Chinese citizenism citizen language, it means that if they have a gut blowout, it will be because they took a dump in the road.

Don't look at the road, trying to figure out what dump is whose and what event triggered the dump. Just step carefully, and hold your nose.

AnAnonymous works this way:

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:38 | 2988874 Bastiat009
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Americans talking about Europe is very much akin to Europeans talking about the US .. in other words, talking nonsense about something they don't know and will not understand.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:57 | 2988976 Canucklehead
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What happens when the music stops?

How do you pay the Maestro to get it going again?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:57 | 2988887 kevinearick
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White Niggers, Multiplier Effects & Money

Don't bother with your WIKI definitions or spelling corrections. For those still incapable of reading, we have popped the assumption stack of corporate History off all the way to black Egypt, at the time of Rah, new empire same as the old empire, something-for-nothing consumption niggers competing to be top nigger. Relative to Buffet and Gates, government monopoly niggers, Obama is the butler.

If you want to be an ambassador, you might want to read the job description before you put your money down. You get wine, caviar, and cheap company, the opportunity to pretend you are an important person before economic slaves lower in the pecking order than the ones here. You are buying a greater illusion of relative wealth disparity. You don't get to be James Bond, despite all the encouragement from the people there.

When the CIA operatives start acting funny, it means you crossed the line. You might want to blow up your car and change addresses. The CIA doesn't have to put a bullet in your head anymore. All it has to do is nothing, because it ensures that the US citizen is the target, and the generals get decapitated. That is how far the US has sunk into the slime. Good thing Bush hired those guys, as scapegoats for Obama, for, for, for...

If you allow the empire to define your language, which they all seek to do, you have lost the war before it has begun. The problem with the US economy is that the hypocrite US voter no longer earns moral authority in the world. New Jersey, Chris Christie, Hurricane Sandy; do you really want your children and grandchildren to be watching increasingly stupid re-makes of this sh-show?

So, as government recedes from your location, you will be left with the nigger on the hill with bank, but he/she has pissed everyone with productive capacitry off, and cannot afford the escalating cost of police protection for long, absent the receding empire subsidies. Some people's money is worth more than others. You don't value currency from a +20X multiplier/producer the same as you do for a -20X consumer. The white nigger in Elma WA has hanger upon hanger of other people's property he stole, legally, but he cannot afford 500 cops. My family tree is loaded with empire fruit, of empire knowledge.

If you want to look at what is just around the corner, graph tax receipts adjusted by the price of gold relative to the US dollar over time. Gold never holds its value, but neither are we going back to US dollar hegemony. At reversion, currency conversion passes through the talent capable of holding the gates to renewed economic mobility.

I know most of you have identified your gates and are orbitting. Be patient. We are going to blow all the gates simultaneously, relative to empire time constraints. You just make sure you hit them without delay. Your initial gate is the one that offers minimum and maximum profit probabilities at time of open, to equilibrium through the series relative to your time.

The only things in life worth doing are those that have never been done before, solving problems no one else is a position to solve. High fences make good neighbors. Adjust your fences and teach your children to do the same.

If the system still bars you, there is nothing wrong with collecting welfare. In fact, from an economic perspective, it's relatively more profitable to others than working for a public, private, or non-profit corporation, all of which have large negative multiplier effects, because of the inherent stupidity of empires. The participants assume profit in make-work by choosing to accept the obviously positive misallocation feedback signals, in ponzi layers, applying anxiety electrical shock to themselves with increasing frequency. The faster they go, the faster they must go, devaluing the currency accordingly.

But do something, anything productive that is of interest to you, and sooner or later it will become a business. Help a disabled person, clean the street, take care of an abandoned park, whatever. The empire crashes itself and rules you into its place at reversion, by process of eliminating reduction of peer groups. If you are a laborer, you don't want to belong to the empire, regardless of payment, in monopoly money. Let it set your rate by averaging the pay of high and low niggers. That's what empires are designed to do.

..Jersey gets the JPM bond guarantee, and the black hole gets bigger.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 17:37 | 2989723 Dr. Sandi
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Lithium might help this.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:03 | 2988997 Seasmoke
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Kyle looks like he has lost 40 lbs....he must be physically getting ready for the collapse

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 16:43 | 2989257 falak pema
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which collapse ? 

That of his own country or that of Libertarian bogeyman, socialist Europe?

We are two competing continents, along with Japan, in this race to the bottom of once triumphant fiat hegemony, all banksta networked behind the all mighty greenback. Unfortunately we have shagged ourselves to death in this incredible oligarchical wankers autofest of fiat derivatives unlimited. 

We are now in the dire race to the bottom trying to hide our mighty fiat canons of Navarone now become pea shooters, as all continents have pulled out the stops in CB QE to infintiy. There is no coming back for this perversion of world hubristic capitalism, levitated into hopium ether. 

How can a Pope of the derivatives rip-off, HF baron of leveraged short term capitalism, icon of this mad age of steroid fed addiction in selfish "me too" rage,  now cry out and say the holy church of capitalism, WS, is head-up-its-ass like a gyrating dervish twirling ever more frenetically in tantric dance. 

This is hallucinating beyond Necker island's Oligarch and Virgin pagan dance; all to please the media gallery of his own invincibility. You'd think today that the dominant culture of the age is sucking your own dick in public to show the world you are narcissitically PURE; as its all for you, only you; you are virile, and you love life!

Wow, wow, wow, the irrepressible urge for freedom without responsibility meets its nemisis, like a parabolic growth curve its knee shattering  asymptote.

"Yes we can" can become a virtual trip into LSD hallucination; self delusion.

I await the resultant big bang that brings us back to dire reality, from the 'Alice in Wonderland' trip into the other side of fiat capitalism irreality. 


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:53 | 2989192 nate
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When Kyle Bass answers a question with "so ...", he's getting ready to throw it back in your face:  "so, how many of your relatives would you go joint and severally liable with?"

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:57 | 2989238 Downtoolong
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I think there's an old proverb, Money flows to power.

His last comments are the kicker for sure. The Euro project was doomed to fail from the start without centralizing sovereignty and government along with it. Maybe that's a good thing in the end, when you consider the U.S. system is probably the closest model of what that outcome would be like. 


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:57 | 2989946 dog breath
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Common sense talk.  Shocking!  He must not be a politician.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:30 | 2990399 Gloeschi
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Would any of you useless hoodlums please post his monthly letter?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:49 | 2990457 zippy_uk
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Bullish for Molotov cocktails..

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