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Most have read about the events in Gaza over the past three days, for the most part insulated and buffered by a distance of several thousand miles and one or more oceans, from what is rapidly becoming ground zero of a new and most deadly escalation in the center of the Middle Eastern powder keg. Few, however, have witnessed and documented it quite as well as French photographer Anne Paq and her collection of photos below.

Pictures from Gaza via Chroniques de Palestine:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:34 | 2990011 LoneStarHog
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And...we wonder why intelligent extraterrestrial life ignores us?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:43 | 2990045 AnonymousAnarchist
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ICYMI has been good source of quality coverage. It balances out the corporate-state media.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:02 | 2990119 true brain
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Man is a vicious beast-  Schopenhauer.

 

You're lucky that  intelligent aliens (not mexicans; talking outter space aliens)  does not come in here with a lawn mover. Maybe they know that they would only waste their time exterminating us humans, and that we'll never leave this rock. They'll just watch as we consume ourselves.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:26 | 2990198 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Thank you, Tylers, for never ignoring the truth.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:46 | 2990270 Hi Ho Silver
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What's your take on this video?

http://youtu.be/r-qSaHKzDaw

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:54 | 2990290 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Looks like a bit of propaganda. The weaker side can play psychological games just as stronger side can. It's one of the few weapons they have. What is your take on this:

 

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dead+palestinians&bav=on.2,or.r_gc...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:28 | 2990695 Dalago
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@ Hi Ho Silver:  Yea its edited so it technically COULD have been a shot BEFORE he was being hulled away... The cut in there really erodes any credibility of what is really happening.

 

@CrockettAlmanac.com:  Thats obviously fake dead refugee children.  Man this jewl-aid tastes weird.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:25 | 2990846 fourchan
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religion is the evil in this world.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:28 | 2990854 Cheesy Bastard
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That is true, but God is the good in it.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:36 | 2990871 Spitzer
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Hitler Mao Mussi Stalin all Atheists

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:52 | 2990893 LetThemEatRand
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Hitler identified himself as a Christian.  Read a bit about it or simply look at the symbolism of the time if you have any doubt.  And if your point is that atheists have killed more people than religious types, you are simply a fool.  No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:59 | 2990912 Richard Chesler
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Nothing the jew bankers can't finance to rebuild.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:09 | 2990925 redpill
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So were these pictures before or after the bombing?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:13 | 2990933 Troll Magnet
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VIVA PALESTINE!!!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:30 | 2990966 Michaelwiseguy
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Palestine has a right to defend herself.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 03:32 | 2991118 European American
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Would somebody please Nuke Tel Aviv and bring PEACE, once and for all, to the Middle East?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:54 | 2991413 GetZeeGold
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Not much has changed in the last 6000 years.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:03 | 2991427 mcguire
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did anyone notice the chemtrails in one of the picturesww??

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:12 | 2991439 GetZeeGold
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Well.....I guess something has changed then. Could just be a contral however.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:27 | 2991660 AnAnonymous
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Not much has changed in the last 6000 years.
________________

I bet you never heard of the 'american' revolution and what gift to humanity 'americanism' has been...

Stay tuned, this stuff has only been running for 236 years and has already contributed so much to humanity's progress and welfare.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:52 | 2991966 SeattleBruce
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Michaelwiseguy: "Palestine has a right to defend herself."

Does that include her poking (and sometimes killing) Israel's civilian population repeatedly with these incessant rocket attacks?  Is that considered 'defense?'  Or killing innocent women and children on busses - 'defense?'

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:46 | 2992082 Cathartes Aura
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two things:

Palestine is a concept, not a sex - nation's are only gendered "her" in order to rally the "hims" to fight.

the "hims" are labeled warriors, and it is the warriors who kill "innocent women and children" on ALL sides, thoughtout ALL history, on behalf of the nations, on behalf of their gods, plural.

if you truly in your heart want to stop the killing of innocents, talk to the warriors.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:03 | 2990920 Cheesy Bastard
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Hitler's private statements about Christianity were often conflicting. Hitler's intimates, such as Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speer, and Martin Bormann suggest that Hitler generally had negative opinions of Christianity, while Gen. Gerhard Engel and Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber report he was a believer.[4][5] It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian...

 Read past the first sentence of wikipedia.  Hitler may have been raised christian, but certainly did not bear any such fruit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:09 | 2990926 LetThemEatRand
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Right, and Hitler's Christian Social Party only exists in the realm of Wikipedia.  Perhaps you should read beyond the first sentence of same.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:15 | 2990937 Cheesy Bastard
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I guess his national german workers socialist (I said socialist) party made him a right winger, also, no? 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:20 | 2990947 LetThemEatRand
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What difference does it make whether he is "right" or "left"?  Do you deny that he led people under the Christian banner?   And do you deny that the Christian team has killed millions in the name of God, as have the Jews, Muslims, etc?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:27 | 2990961 Cheesy Bastard
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Good.  Back to the matter at hand.  No, I do not deny that people under the banner of all religions, as well as the religion of the lack thereof, have killed millions.  I only deny that God is on thier side.  When one is on God's side, one does not commit murder.  Or steal.  Or covet.  And so on.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:35 | 2990971 LetThemEatRand
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Fair answer.  With that said, which government or group of humans in non-governmental form since 1 A.D. do you suppose is most righteous?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:43 | 2990984 Cheesy Bastard
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Fair question.  I suppose it would be the government which is designed to secure the rights of individual citizens.  That said, government always creeps away from freedom and towards its own ends.  Always.  It is run by imperfect men, after all.  Where do you disagree?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:45 | 2990992 LetThemEatRand
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Non-answer.  If you can't find a single example in 2000 years, it may be time to revisit the premise.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:55 | 2991005 Cheesy Bastard
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I was thinking of the 8 or 9 years of United States between the American revolution and the whiskey rebellion.  I didn't mention it because I am more a fan of the articles of confederation than the constitution.  Now, in fairness, you also failed to answer my question.  Is it not righteous to protect individual freedom?  Besides, wouldn't it be great if each state was free to experiment, and the others could freely reject what fails and try what suceeds?  What premise do you operate on?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:01 | 2991012 LetThemEatRand
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I operate in a world where the answers are not written by prophets or ideologues, and where we humans realize that there are no perfect beings, answers, or systems.   

The 8 or 9 years of which you speak included slavery as a major part of the local economies of the colonies turned States.  Does that bother you or do you just wonder what kind of slave(s) Jesus would have?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:15 | 2991026 Cheesy Bastard
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Non answer.  What is your paradigm for righteous government?  By the way, It was a Virginia jury which saw a threat from free indentured servents, and under the power of said government, made servitude permanent for negroes and mulattoes.  I mentioned that a few comments ago, about how the evolution of government is always to the benefit of government.  I suspect, by the way, that Jesus would have been against such tyranny, as I would be.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:18 | 2991033 LetThemEatRand
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Did Jesus support taking the land upon which Virginia and the United States are founded by force and violence?  Indians (feathers) hate (as you do) tyranny.  

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:26 | 2991039 Cheesy Bastard
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You continue to avoid the original question of what paradigm of government you consider righteous.  I answered honestly, in the interest of fair debate.  I am beginning to suspect you would rather not answer.  I'll check back in the morning.  God bless and good night.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:33 | 2991051 LetThemEatRand
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Funny, I thought I asked the "original question," but whatever floats your [self] righteous boat.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:17 | 2991374 JonNadler
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Hitler was a christian? And i am a gold bug too. Gold to da moooon!!!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:23 | 2991450 GetZeeGold
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Jon might be a goldbug.....but Hitler wasn't no Christian.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:06 | 2991217 rich_wicks
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People who think in such utterly simplistic terms as left and right are so ignorant, that they should be ignored entirely when they discuss anything relating to politics.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:11 | 2991771 Abitdodgie
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I gave you an up for that , I think most people have not voted on your comment is because they would have to admit to themselves that there is no left or right , and we can't be having that now can we.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:21 | 2990946 redpill
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I'm pretty sure the religions of the world have enough blood on their hands without ignorant liberal assholes such as yourself trying to absurdly claim Hitler was acting in the name of Christianity.  You dumbfuck.

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:22 | 2990950 LetThemEatRand
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So do you really not realize that Hitler claimed the Christian mantle?  Who is the dumb fuck?  Who is John Galt?  Sorry, repetitive.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:31 | 2990968 redpill
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All kinds of insane people claim all kinds of things, but historically you cannot define Nazism as a religious movement.  You're a politically-motivated idiot who has absolutely no understanding of history or philosophy and you're an embarassment to this site.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:36 | 2990974 LetThemEatRand
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"You're a politically-motivated idiot who has absolutely no understanding of history or philosophy and you're an embarassment to this site."  Ditto.  Convinced?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:29 | 2991230 CharlieSDT
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I'd suggest the atheism of the USSR was a religion of it's own in a way.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:30 | 2991264 Moe Howard
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Lenin as Jesus.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:55 | 2991978 SeattleBruce
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A mighty poor version he was!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:16 | 2991373 Maxter
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Atheism has always been a religion.  It is the firm believe, without any proof, that absolutly no god exist.  Not to be confused with agnostism, which states that they don't know if a god exist or not.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2991431 Diplodicus Rex
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This drivel is the oldest and most discredited argument in the book. If I believe fairies live at the bottom of my garden and present that case to you which you chose not to believe, then the burden of proof lies 100% with me to prove to you that those fairies exist. There is no burden on you at all to find evidence to the contrary. Describing aetheism as a religion is pure desperation. When it comes to the question if god (take your pick which one of the thousands man has created) exists then I am agnostic. I am agnostic to the same degree that I am agnostic about  the fairies at the end of my garden.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:55 | 2991578 ToucanSam
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As is your argument that atheism isn't a claim of belief (and btw, it was never "discredited" since this whole argument is about opinions, not facts).  If you say fairies do not 100% exist, then the burden of proof lies 100% with you to prove to me that those faries do not exist.  You see how that works?  Just adding a "not" in the claim doesn't make any difference to the fact that it's still a claim of belief.  Any statement that makes a claim means either there is some evidence behind it, or it is a personal belief and no proof is required.  The whole "give me proof" argument is used to try to deny a belief, not to seek proof.  If I said the Earth is flat, who cares what I say to you, unless you believe the Earth is round and you want to disprove me.  Since you can't prove your belief, you simply turn around and ask for my proof, which is also not possible.  Ok bad example, you should be able to prove it is round since this is an objective argument, but I hope you get my point.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 16:31 | 2996782 Diplodicus Rex
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ToucanSam said:

"Not to be confused with agnostism, which states that they don't know if a god exist or not."

 

I said

"...I am agnostic. I am agnostic to the same degree that I am agnostic about  the fairies at the end of my garden."

 

I don't know what your problem is. Unless you think a 99.99999999999% agnostic is an aetheist.

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:51 | 2991579 ToucanSam
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Double post.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:07 | 2992001 SeattleBruce
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Diplodicus Rex: "There is no burden on you at all to find evidence to the contrary."

OK, so how does matter exist - how did you come into existence - and more over what is your reason for existing at all?  If you don't believe in a First Mover (we'll call the Mover God), then you must believe like Plato in the eternity of matter - in eternal forms.  And further, in that scenario, the only meaning you have is as a recylced bit of matter, in the eternal sludge of the universe.  What does it matter if you live or die, to help form some new sludge, some new matter in a distant future somehwere?

Wow, that's encouraging!

I believe in a personal, Intelligence, a personal Power - a First Mover - a Creator that is eternal - you believe in impersonal masses of eternally existing and recycling matter - let's call it sludge.

Or if you believe in something else, perhaps you can explain it and convince us in a manner more convincing than Plato himself, so it won't appear as 'drivel' as you put it above.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 16:35 | 2996791 Diplodicus Rex
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Your entire post falls on this fundamental principle:

"what is your reason for existing at all?"

There is no "reason". The word "reason" implies a plan. There only exists a plan if you believe a sky-pixie has made one for you. For an a-theist there is no such sky-pixie and hence there is no plan and therefore there is no "reason".

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:08 | 2992003 SeattleBruce
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Double post...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:19 | 2991375 JonNadler
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If Hitler was  CHristian, I am Jim Sinclair

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:35 | 2991459 GetZeeGold
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I thought you were the chief market analyst over at Kitco....OK...now I'm confused.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:37 | 2991677 ISEEIT
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Perhaps you should consider engaging your brain in some thought processes that transcend propaganda?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:45 | 2991470 Chuck Walla
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Hitler identified himself as a Christian.

The genuine Christian does not exterminate others. Hitler as a Christian is like Obama identifying himself as "for freedom", or for "debt reduction".  in other words, you can claim your self or identify your self as a lizard god, but then there is reality of action...

FORWARD SOVIET!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:58 | 2991486 illyia
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@LTER

If Thule's the Rule then Who's the Fool.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:16 | 2991633 JonNadler
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so when Bush spoke about being a Christian or Jimmy Carter, it was kool aid for the masses but when Hitler spoke about being a Christian it was for real?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:16 | 2991783 Clashfan
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LTER, Hitler was an occultist. Occultists often do not publicly profess their true faith. He and all of the top Nazi brass indeed were Luciferians.

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:35 | 2991324 TeamDepends
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Note to atheists:  You will not be an atheist a year from now.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:15 | 2991371 TWSceptic
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Note to christians: once you're brainwashed it's very hard to undo the damage.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:37 | 2991392 TeamDepends
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And of course you assume we are Christian.  Never fails.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:02 | 2991418 TeamDepends
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Perhaps YOU have been brainwashed into thinking that all people of faith are brain-dead morons, sheeple, etc. etc.  We agree with most here that religion is the opiate of the masses and has been used to divide humanity for millenia by the same pukes who are in charge today.  But so many make the fatal blunder of confusing religion with spirituality.  Is it safe to say you worship atheism?  If so, can you still be an atheist?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:33 | 2991457 DaveyJones
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does an athiest have less cuss words? 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:38 | 2991464 GetZeeGold
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I think they pretty much use the same ones.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:03 | 2991492 TeamDepends
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Why Heavens, no!  Budum pshhhhhhh

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:48 | 2991473 Chuck Walla
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Perhaps YOU have been brainwashed into thinking that all people of faith are brain-dead morons, sheeple, etc. etc.  We agree with most here that religion is the opiate of the masses and has been used to divide humanity for millennia by the same pukes who are in charge today.  But so many make the fatal blunder of confusing religion with spirituality.  Is it safe to say you worship atheism?  If so, can you still be an atheist?

There seems to be some confusion. God is not man.  God does not use religion to divide as he does not profit from it. Whereas man, who loves a profit, will use it as one more tool in his bag of tricks. people continually confuse the two blaming God for what is man's duplicity and falseness.

FORWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:17 | 2991370 TWSceptic
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Sigh. Hitler wasn't an atheist, there are plenty of quotes he made in favor of christianity, he was in fact a Christian. Also just because a dictator is an atheist doesn't say anything about atheism let alone other atheists, since atheism is apolitical. Your comment shows your ignorance.

 

Religion has been a big inspiration for war and hate through history, while atheism never insprired anyone to do others harm.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:31 | 2991380 MassDecep
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Hitler was pure evil. There was no Christ in Hitler. That, my friend, is an abominable statement. Just because someone claims to be Christian, does not make them Christian. This is the state of about 70%-80% of the sheeple whom falsely claim Christianity today.

When most people say they are Christian, and also savor Hindu, Buddhist, and Muslim principles, they are “New Age”, and not Christians.   

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:52 | 2991476 Chuck Walla
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Sigh. Hitler wasn't an atheist, there are plenty of quotes he made in favor of christianity, he was in fact a Christian. Also just because a dictator is an atheist doesn't say anything about atheism let alone other atheists, since atheism is apolitical. Your comment shows your ignorance.

Sigh, just because one declares themselves to be something does not make it so. How many have had a boss claim he is interested in his employees or a politician proclaim his love for the people, expecting his supposed dupes to actually believe it?

 

You fucks wll say anything to insult someone without even a drop of knowledge or thought. You are better than that, I've seen it. Try now, will you?

 

FORWARD SOVIET!  There is no religion there.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:19 | 2991791 SeattleBruce
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TWSceptic: "there are plenty of quotes he made in favor of christianity, he was in fact a Christian."

Quotes?!  Well now that proves it, and imprisoning and murdering major Christian dissenter leaders in cold blood - like Dietrich Bonhoeffer prove nothing, hey?  Weak.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:20 | 2991796 Clashfan
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Ignorance? Who is showing ignorance? http://stargods.org/Nazis_and_the_Occult.html

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:24 | 2991804 Clashfan
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Hitler's occultism--the whole Third Reich's leadership's occultism--is widely accepted historical fact.

 

http://www.blackraiser.com/jewpeter/lycab.htm

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:25 | 2991372 MassDecep
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You forgot Obama= Satanist

He believes in something alright....

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:10 | 2991620 SeattleBruce
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fourchan: "religion is the evil in this world."

You forgot that it is also the "opiate of the masses."  Join your fellow travelers...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:21 | 2991644 ISEEIT
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I can understand how someone could conclude that "religion is the evil in this world". Absolutely false conclusion though. I'm not particularly bright, nor educated. I do understand however that correlation is not causation. Religion is not evil any more than are guns or government or money. Even love itself can be perverted, twisted and abused by that which is evil.

The evil is separate from any cover that might be employed by it. I do personally believe that evil does exist as a separate and very real force. Ultimately evil comes back to a specific entity and that entity infects man. The infected man represents evil and infected men act as tools for or agents of evil.

Religion & Government are merely popular and powerful vehicles employed by evil. Without mans cooperation evil would have no force.

I suggest that to blame religion as the evil in this world only invites more evil. Blaming religion allows for evil to hide behind the good and the innocent and leads to the sort of sickening misery provided in these photographs.

MEN USE RELIGION/GOVERNMENT AS AN EXCUSE TO BE EVIL.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:58 | 2992109 Cathartes Aura
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I think you're getting very close to a Universal truth, tying "religion" and "government" together.

religion is a belief system, as is government - both have had occasion to enForce their rules over the centuries, and both justify their force with Ultimate Truth memes to justify the most heinous of acts.

governments exploit the believers in religion, and hence

MEN USE RELIGION/GOVERNMENT AS AN EXCUSE TO BE EVIL.

once that truth is acknowledged, then everything can be addressed, redressed.  but not until.

in the meantime, more death.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:24 | 2990697 Clinteastwood
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My take on this would be...........better not to f with the IDF.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:54 | 2990783 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Israel built a nuke plant about ten miles from my home, shipped the product to Israel for weapons development and left a toxic radioactive dump behind. It's so bad that armed guards now protect the site.

 

The Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) and the diversion of US government weapons-grade uranium to Israel, Documented with material from State of PA, FBI, et al.

 

http://www.irmep.org/ila/numec/

 

 

Security increases around Pennsylvania nuclear disposal site

 

Security around a nuclear waste site in western Pennsylvania has been upgraded, with DHS armed security guards replacing private guards around the site; the reason for the elevated security is the finding, by the Army Corps of Engineers, of more “complex” nuclear materials on the site; it was originally believed that the site contains only low-level nuclear material

 

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20120619-security-increases-ar...

 

One wouldn't think it but I'm all aglow for Israel. Pass the potassium iodide, please.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:19 | 2990944 Troll Magnet
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Mel Gibson was right. The Jews are the problem with everything. Well, not ALL Jews and not EVERYTHING. But just about.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:45 | 2990990 CrockettAlmanac.com
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My problem is with the State of Israel and specifically the fact that I have to pay taxes which support Israeli assaults on Britons, Americans, Palestinians and even their fellow Jews. The Constitution does not authorizes the use of taxpayer money to fund any foreign activities and that goes double for hurtful acts against the United States itself.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:44 | 2991956 SeattleBruce
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"My problem is with the State of Israel and specifically the fact that I have to pay taxes which support Israeli assaults on Britons, Americans, Palestinians and even their fellow Jews."

Granted Israel is a problem.  But so is almost every other country in the Middle East.  What about Egypt, Libya and Pakistan which get billions of our tax dollars too, not to mention the hundreds of billions in petro dollars to Saudi and many others on the Arabian peninsula all of which indirectly or directly fuel radical Islamic groups "assaults on Britons, Americans, and even...Jews" as well as fellow Muslims, especially those moderate Muslims who are trying to speak out against the radicals.  And what about all the billions spent on defense of those petrol resources, and retaliations against attacks by radical Islamists all over the region?  The back and forth of these wars is what is so heinous, not to be pinned solely on the state of Israel by any objective person.

You conveniently left out the broader context/facts.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:35 | 2992606 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I've said elsewhere: cut all foreign aid.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 03:05 | 2991084 Hi Ho Silver
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"It's one of the few weapons they have. What is your take on this:"

Year in year out, muslim extremists murder more muslims than the Jews do.

My take is there is too much proclivity towards violence on both sides. Coverage of the hundreds of rockets Hamas delivered unto Israel in the days leading up to Israeli retaliation has been pretty sparse. And I consider it cowardly to hide behind women and children.

PHOTO: Hamas missile launch pad next to mosque, playground. Civilian factories, gas station also half a block from Fajr-5 firing site.

There will never be peace. There is no solution. Too many muslims (~1.5 billion) won't rest until every Jew is exterminated.

It's a damn shame.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 04:57 | 2991193 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Year in year out, muslim extremists murder more muslims than the Jews do.

 

But when the Israelis kill Muslims they send me the bill.

 

 

And I consider it cowardly to hide behind women and children.

 

You mean like this?

 

Israeli girls sign ordance to be used against Lebanon. There you see it, Children in close proximity to Israeli munitions. What if that arms depot had been attacked?

 

http://nigelparry.com/enginefiles/uploads/more_girls_signing_bombs_2.jpg

 

And then there's this. Isn't shooting unarmed women a bad thing too?

 

IDF soldier sentenced to 45 days for death of mother, daughter in Gaza war

 

 

Military advocate general reaches plea bargain in the most significant event mentioned in UN Goldstone Report; Givati soldier was accused of shooting women who raised white flag.

 

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldier-sentenced-to-4...

 

 

 

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:31 | 2991543 Hi Ho Silver
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Atricities enough all around. You could easily paint the Palestinians with the same broad brush if you chose to.

 

But of course you won't because that doesn't serve your narrative. Just dong your part to convince the world it's OK to exterminate those evil Jews I suppose.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:13 | 2991629 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Palestinians have been responsible for terror attacks and the indiscriminate firing of rockets. What makes you think I don't know that? Thing is I am not compelled to pay taxes for Palestinian reaction but rather for Israeli aggression. Why can't those who want to bomb Muslims just pay for that proclivity out of pocket and leave me out of it?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:14 | 2991779 Hi Ho Silver
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The U.S. funds both sides. But you don't seem too concerned with your tax dollars that are spent building rockets and suicide vests.

In this last instance Hamas was firing over 100 rockets a day for several days before Israel responded.

All this talk of reaction .vs action is all a chicken and the egg discourse. In end it doesn't matter who started what when. We just need to get everyone to stop now. But it won't ever happen because muslim extremists will never stop trying to exterminate the Jews until the end of time. Read Hamas' charter, it's quite clear on the issue.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:54 | 2991866 rambo1028
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I don't care who started it...I just want it to stop and I don't want one cent of my money building a bomb that kills and terrorizes children. I am sick at my stomach thinking of what it would be like if my children and I were living in the middle of that mess. I can only hope I never have to see my children fear for their lives.

Who the hell are we to choose a side? Is a child on one side of the fence somehow worth more than the child on the other side of the fence?  

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:38 | 2992612 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The U.S. funds both sides.

 

Post a comparison of the numbers and detail at least some of the arms you believe that the US has sent to Palestine. Learn something.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:08 | 2992008 onebir
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You're funding the Palestinian side via oil prices. No taxes required - economic rent's doing the trick.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:38 | 2992613 CrockettAlmanac.com
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How do Palestinians benefit from oil prices?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:45 | 2991274 Moe Howard
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1.7 million in the Gaza Strip, 141 square miles. NYC is 305 square miles.

Hard not to "hide behind women and children".

I will bet any amount that the Israeli government has killed many times the amount of civilians in Gaza via collateral damage than Hamas has IN TOTAL with these bottle rockets.

I think you are a coward for mindlessly repeating some propaganda from the Israeli Government - I was at Israel bases, the women and children lived right there, they launch attacks from those bases. I was at a military "kibbutz" on the Golan [occupied Syrian territory], the children played next to the arms room.  Who is the coward hiding behind women and children, or putting them in harm's way???

Now take into consdieration that mandatory military service for all [men and women] in Israel, including Druze, however Arabs and some Joos of Orthodox nature may be exempted. Hard to launch a bottle rocket and not be at least close to a military target in Israel.

I don't love either side, but let's get real. The Arabs are in a concentration camp; borders, sea coasts, airspace, all controlled by Israel or on just one side by Egypt.  Both sides have military installations with women and children on or near them, so what? Where else are they going to put them in Gaza? IT IS 141 SQUARE MILES TOTAL.

Wake up chump.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:43 | 2991562 Hi Ho Silver
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Concentration camps don't have luxury resorts.
http://tinyurl.com/augacgf
http://tinyurl.com/acowe4d

And I call bullshit on your supposition that the palestinians have no choice but to hide behind women and children. Plenty of those 141 square miles are empty. At least empty enough so that their launch pads needn't be located next to a playground.

Ad hominems only serve to illustrate that your argument is weak. If there was any strength to your arguments you wouldn't have to call me names.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:12 | 2992019 onebir
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Bottle rockets don't fly 60km...

Quite a lot of Gaza isn't built up. Check the satellite view in google maps.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:09 | 2991218 SeattleBruce
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While you're at it please show pictures of all the dead Jewsish women and young children in the shelled out busses killed by bombs strapped to some poor youth's chest paid for by one of the Muslim terrorist groups.  Showing one side of the barbarous killing is disingenuous and dishonest.  I'd say there's plenty of killing of the innocent to go 'round and it certainly does not lie solely with Israel.

Yes, this whole thing is a nasty business.  To modify a 1957 Golda Meir quote: "Peace will come when the Jews & Arabs will love their children more than they hate each other."

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:48 | 2991277 Moe Howard
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Don't forget the "gas chambers" in the "Death Camps' too. The Arabs in the Gaza Strip did that too, right?

By the way, those incidents you mentioned, they happened this week, right? This month? This year? Last year? Oh, ok, whatever.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:15 | 2992026 SeattleBruce
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Huh?  You haven't seen the bombed out busses of Israeli and Palestinian innocent civilians - innocent women and children of both 'races' done by some radical Islamist youth, whose family was paid by Hamas or Hussein or some other radical 'community' Islamist group supported by money from who knows where?  Or do you deny that too "Moe"?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:57 | 2990291 strannick
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Wheres the nation building for Gaza? Are aid organizations pouring in? You dont hear about it. When and where does it change? What is going to make the Palestinians see themselves as something other than contra Isreal?  Northern Ireland for instance eventually chucked in the towel and stopped feeding the war/hate machine. Time for some of those depraved Saudi Princes to sink some money into Gaza agriculture and infrastructure.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:09 | 2990310 CrockettAlmanac.com
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All the Palestinians want is open borders and a chance to make a living. The only reason they need handouts is because they have no way to send their goods to market without Israel taxing those goods or stopping the flow of goods entirely. When I buy olive oil soap from Nablus the Israelis get a cut.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:18 | 2990359 strannick
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They hardly have an economy. They also have ports and Egypt. You cant just blame Isreal for everything. All that Saudi oil money could have build a Muslim America, and instead they just piss it away, and rationalize that such inequalities are simply the inscrutable will of Alah. What a sick waste.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:23 | 2990374 tmosley
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What part of the word "embargo" do you not understand?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:28 | 2990387 john39
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maybe this will help clear it up for him.... Germany 1940/Israel 2012:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/GazaHolo/index.html

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:13 | 2990493 Earl of Chiswick
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Crock says "All the Palestinians want is open borders and a chance to make a living. The only reason they need handouts is because they have no way to send their goods to market without Israel .... "

 

But I think Crock (aptly named) left out the word EGYPT, the poor and devastated people in Gaza live in a land with, count them, two borders, that's two as in the number 2.  And both of these are closed, which is why there are so many tunnels betwixt Gaza and Egypt because the kind folk of Egypt have with Israel participated in the isolation of the Palestinians who  are trapped in Gaza.  A shameful and horrible circumstance brought on these people by Egypt and Israel  hmmm strange bedfellows don't ya think

 

the word dumb fuck comes to mind but Crock (of excrement) will suffice

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:14 | 2990513 john39
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People of Egypt?  I think you mean the puppet government, controlled with U.S. taxpayer money, to do Israel's bidding...  but that is changing, which is on reason that Israel is getting so aggressive.  The Egyptian people know zionism for what it is, evil.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:30 | 2990565 Earl of Chiswick
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Ya that't correct john39  I understand that the new pres of Egypt a proud member of the Brotherhood from which Hamas is an offshoot was not visiting Gaza today, and that he was not holding dead babies in his arms.  That damn MSM always trying to fool us, I mean even Al Jazeera has turned MSM

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/11/201211166273719642.html

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:00 | 2991216 SeattleBruce
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John39: "The Egyptian people know zionism for what it is, evil."

Right - those radical Islamists have proven themselves to not be evil and violent!  You must have missed those mass killings of women and children about the globe over the past 50+ years.  Kudos.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:41 | 2990514 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I think the Squirrel of Chiswick left out the billion plus dollars which the US government -- Israel's great protector -- gives to the Egyptian government every year. But there wouldn't be any quid pro quo. Hmmmm.

Squirrel may well believe that paying the Egyptian government to screw over their countrymen and coreligionists is a good idea. But I have to pay for it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:50 | 2990611 Earl of Chiswick
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 Crock, when I shave my head I use a straight razor, what do you use?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:57 | 2990623 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So those who do not want to see US taxpayers foot the bill for over a billion dollars in foreign aid to Eqypt each year are skinheads? Is Ron Paul a skinhead?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:13 | 2990820 James_Cole
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Ron Paul as a skinhead, that's an interesting thought.

http://www.wearepolitics.com/uploads/9/3/7/0/9370245/5763196_orig.jpg

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:10 | 2991219 rich_wicks
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I think the Squirrel of Chiswick left out the billion plus dollars which the US government -- Israel's great protector -- gives to the Egyptian government every year.

Egypt never received any aid.  They received bribe money to keep the population in check.  Hosni Mubarak was a dictator, and that billion dollars he got ever year was to make certian the government he dictated played nice with Israel.  How stupid and naive can you believe to think this money was ever used for aid, AFTER Mubarak was deposed?  He's a billionare, how do you think that happened, stupid?

Stop giving everybody "aid", and let the chips fall where they will.  That will solve all this stupid bullshit.  Israel will stop being such a super racist nation, and the Arab states will stop having shit head fucks as despots fucking over their populace.  That's what "aid" being used for.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:13 | 2991221 SeattleBruce
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John 39:

maybe this will help clear it up for him.... Germany 1940/Israel 2012:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/GazaHolo/index.html

++++++++++++

You missed the mass extermination camps...you also seemed to miss the shelled out busses of innocent Jews killed by Palestinian bombers - just an oversight?  Evil is on both sides of this, and to think otherwise is just plain denial of human nature.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:56 | 2991284 Moe Howard
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I missed photos of any dead Joos at all this week, all we got was a story that 3 Joos in a Gaza border village were killed by a direct hit, but no photos. Only a photo of a launch site said to be within a 1/2 mile of a school. Like Israel doesn't have military facilities within a 1/2 mile of a school or civilians. Right.

 

SeattleBruce, where are those photos of the innoncent Jews killed by Palestinian bombers this past week? Oh, none that's right. This month? Oh, none that's right. What a joke.

The Arabs in Gaza had mass extermination camps? Really? When did this happen in your imagination?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:33 | 2991547 john39
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Gaza is turning into one large mass extermination camp.  wtfu and see reality for what it is.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:35 | 2990391 strannick
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I guess that just brings us back to the eye for the eye, you bomb us we invade you, we embargo you then take away the embargo for this bla bla bla paradigm.

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:16 | 2990517 DaveyJones
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apparently all of it

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:25 | 2990544 SqueekyFromm
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And what part of "if we don't embargo them, the murdering bastard Palestinians will import a bunch of arms and rockets and continue to kill innocent Israelis" do you not understand???

Gee, why do you think we kept the Ruskies from putting nuclear missiles in Cuba. Please pull your head out of your anus.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:47 | 2990602 Anusocracy
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Do you know why the Russians were putting nukes in Cuba?

You don't seem to know much of anything else.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:19 | 2990832 James_Cole
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"Gee, why do you think we kept the Ruskies from putting nuclear missiles in Cuba. Please pull your head out of your anus."

A little history...

http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/kingston-reif/13-days-...

"...unbeknownst to Kennedy, 98 Soviet tactical nuclear weapons were in fact already in Cuba. What's more, ground commanders had been authorized to employ the weapons should the United States invade...Which led to October 27 -- the most dangerous day of the Cuban Missile Crisis. A Soviet submarine commander, under barrage by US depth charges, believed war between the Soviet Union and the United States must have already begun. He prepared to fire the nuclear-tipped torpedo. However, authorization to fire the torpedo required assent from the three officers on board. Two officers were in favor of launching the torpedo -- fortunately, one was not. One. It was what Kennedy and Khrushchev did not know and could not control that made the crisis so perilous."

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:50 | 2990435 CrockettAlmanac.com
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They also have ports

 

THOSE PORTS ARE PATROLLED BY GUNBOATS THAT STOP ALL TRAFFIC. It's like you don't know what an occupation is.

In 2008 I was proud to sponsor the first boat to reach the Gaza port in forty one years. I contributed to eight voyages in all. One boat was named Liberty after the USS Liberty. The passengers laid a wreath when they passed the scene of the attack where Israel killed 34 American sailors and injured 171 more. Five boats made it into Gaza until the Israelis decided to shut the port again.

 

Israeli troops storm Gaza flotilla

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFEBbDkyrqQ

 

 

IDF Live Fire & No Boarding on Palestinian Fishermen Boats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x1W2KFUI2E

 

 

 

Israeli daily terror on Palestinians Attacking Fishermen in Gaza.mp4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v_--rl0M1U

 

 

 

Israeli Navy Continues Persecution of Fishermen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUvUrUaBMA

 

 

Palestinian Fishermen Resist Water Cannon Assault

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PVoHhuZqrQ

 

 

All that Saudi oil money could have build a Muslim America,

 

What part of Palestinians don't want handouts did you fail to understand?

 

 

Palestinian tech startups offer hope to struggling economy

A growing number of businesses are building a reputation for cheap tech expertise, but the occupation brings problems

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/31/palestinian-tech-startups-ho...

 

 

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:58 | 2990475 BigInJapan
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"What part of Palestinians don't want handouts did you fail to understand?" says the guy who sponsored one of these embargo-breaking ships carrying... handouts. 

I'll go ahead and call lefty/greenie/hopey bullshit on this one.

Arafat was a millionaire when he died. I suppose he made all that money with his own sweat and toil - not by these "handouts" that you say the Palestinians don't want.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:16 | 2990520 cosmyccowboy
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the american taxpayer has poured billions into the blackhole called palenstine!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:23 | 2990690 calltoaccount
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the american taxpayer has poured billions into the blackhole called the American corptocracy.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:00 | 2991287 Moe Howard
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You spelled it wrong. It is called Israel. You know, the country with the flag that has the mark of the Rothschilds in the center.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:37 | 2991828 Clashfan
Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:27 | 2990536 CrockettAlmanac.com
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"What part of Palestinians don't want handouts did you fail to understand?" says the guy who sponsored one of these embargo-breaking ships carrying... handouts.

 

Christ charged us with the mission to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit those who are imprisoned. And The Book says that Jesus doesn't like slackers.

 

 

Matthew 25:31-46

New International Version (NIV)

The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:44 | 2990595 hedgeless_horseman
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Amen.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:00 | 2990630 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I wonder what's up with those who down vote the Gospels in their rush to prostrate themselves before the state of Israel?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:36 | 2990727 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I wonder what's up with those who down vote the Gospels in their rush to prostrate themselves before the state of Israel?

They think they're Christians, but they're actually Leviticans/Revelationists. To them, the Gospels are the least important parts of Christianity because they can't use them to justify their hatred.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:13 | 2990915 LetThemEatRand
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"I wonder what's up with those who down vote the Gospels in their rush to prostrate themselves before the state of Israel?"

Yeah, better than Rand I guess.  God knows that religion is the answer, as evidenced by the last few thousand years and all of the wars avoided by religious zealotry.  Who is Jesus Galt?  Or John Christ?   Or Ayn Rand for that matter?  

Of course, Jesus was an industrialist.  As Ron Paul noted recently.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:01 | 2991292 Moe Howard
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Do you do anything else except post on this forum? Do you have a job, or do anything at all productive in any way?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:58 | 2991420 Cortez the Killer
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do you, joo hater?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:57 | 2990622 nmewn
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Ummm...no, I'm probably mistaken.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 03:55 | 2991136 BigInJapan
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Sweet Jesus.

That's your actual answer?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:29 | 2990555 SqueekyFromm
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Well, since you're a Holocaust Denier, then how can we expect an unbiased opinion? Maybe you could start a prison outreach program here in the USA, since you seem to be determined to do nice things for murderers and terrorists???You know, there are a lot of depraved people right here in America you could be helping.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:33 | 2990570 john39
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gasp!  a holohoax denier!  burn him at the stake immediately!  or, why not explore the facts and research rather take anyone's word on anything:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/holocost-revisionism

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:00 | 2991215 awakening
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Wonderful how in some parts of the world that to even dare to question it can send you into prison.

A law is not required against those that dare to still believe the earth is flat (or other things that today are obviously ignorant beliefs); so what makes the Holocaust so special in comparison?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:08 | 2991614 SeattleBruce
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John39: "And of coursethey also must have burned, buried, or otherwise disposed of those same 3,000 bodies per day."

I'm sorry - through your quoted source John, are you saying the German ovens, pyres, mass graves and cleaned out mass graves did not exist?  Wow.  There is massive evidence to the contrary.  Was there not a 'final solution', even though the Nazis covered it up in some coordinated fashion and did the extermination camps themselves not exist?  For convenience, the claims of your video are comprehensively addressed by the plethora of sourced materials in this article (200 citations), however the sources themselves no doubt give much more veracity to what's addressed  in the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:22 | 2992868 awakening
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I see your wikipedia, and raise you Victor Thorn.

http://wingtv.net/holocausthoax.html

If you want to play this game, then your going to need to raise the stakes a bit higher with a reference that is acceptable for academic submission (this is zerohedge not reddit).

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:44 | 2990597 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Please cite the post in which I denied the fact that Nazis killed a very large number of innocent Jews prior to and during World War II.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:40 | 2990739 TheFourthStooge-ing
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He won't do it. Squeeky's a repeater, not a reporter.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:48 | 2990764 SqueekyFromm
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SHE, you dip! What part of GIRL Reporter did you miss??? Somewhere on this thread, CrockOShit was blathering about the plaques at Auchwitz being only 1.4 million, and changed from 4 million. I will not waste my time looking for his blather for him. He knows what he said, and he can find if he wants to. This thread is already at 7 pages. Plus, CrockOShit will find some way to wiggle out of admitting to being a Holocaust Denier. He tries to be a sneaky anti-Semitic BIGOT, and cover up his BIGOTRY by false concern for the Palestinian murderers and terrorists.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:02 | 2990794 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The changing of the plaques was documented by The Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at the University of Minnesota.

 

The plaques indicating that "4 million people" were killed at Auschwitz were removed in 1990. They were replaced with plaques stating the more accurate figure of “one and a half million.”

 

 

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/museum/memorials/auschBirkMem/

 

 

Why do documented facts put you into such a tizzy?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:40 | 2990860 SqueekyFromm
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Your comment is nothing but an incompetent DISTRACTION. 6 million or so deaths is the usual number cited for the Holocaust and that number has been backed up a half dozen ways to Sunday. Noting that Auchwitz changed it's plaque to 1.4 million is nothing but a cheap trick by you to try to cast doubt on the total number of dead.

First, I never said anything at all about Auchwitz, which makes the whole Auchwitz comment by you SUSPECT. Why else would you bring it up??? It's NOT relevant to the total number killed. Nobody lowered the estimate from 6 million to 3 1/2 million when the plaque got changed. That was your implication.

Second, you didn't try to argue that 6 million deaths was incorrect, or provide an alternative number. It is enough for you, a Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic BIGOT, to simply throw some phony monkey wrenches into the argument. That was YOUR intent. Not to enlighten, but to obfuscate. To cast doubt on the number of dead, while carefully maintaining plausible deniability.

People researching the matter are quite aware of the number killed at Auchwitz, and already have calculated the number of dead there at 1.4 million. Here is one link for interested ZH'ers:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Jews_were_killed_in_the_Holocaust

Notice the various approaches to estimating the number of dead.

Thirdly, your SNEAKINESS and under-handed methods brand your actions as INTENTIONAL. Sooo, no. You are still nothing but an anti-Semitic BIGOT and Holocaust Denier. And a sneaky one to boot.

Finally, there are your out of place comments about the Cabalistic "6,000,000" figure from 1900. The purpose of this comment is to cast doubt on the number killed during the Holocaust. What purpose is there to that comment but to attempt to cast doubt on the 6 million estimates post-1945??? 

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are smart enough to know that you will lose all credibility once you are tagged as a Holocaust-denial nut, so you try to skirt around the edges just enough to make your point without coming right out and saying it. Add cowardice to your list of traits.

Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter

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