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Twinkies, Ding Dongs Maker Hostess Liquidates Following Failure To Resolve Labor Union Animosity

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Hostess Brands, the company better known as the maker of Butternut, Ding Dongs, Dolly Madison, Drake's, Home Pride, Ho Hos, Hostess, Merita, Nature's Pride, and of course Wonder Bread and Twinkies, and which previously survived one multi-year Chapter 11 bankruptcy process, when it operated as Interstate Bakeries, has just made a splash at the NY Southern Bankruptcy court, for the last time, with a liquidation filing. The reason: insurmountable (and unfundable) difference in the firm's collective bargaining agreements and pension obligations, which resulted in a crippling strike that basically shut down the company. In other words, Twinkies may well survive the nuclear apocalypse, but there was one weakest link: the company making them, was unable to survive empowered labor unions who thought they had all the negotiating leverage...  until they led their bankrupt employer right off liquidation cliff. Will attention now turn to that another broke government entity, the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corp (PBGC), which will have to step in to resuscitate some 18,000 pension plans which suddenly vaporized after labor unions took their "negotiating" freedom a step too far.

From the filing:

Beginning on October 21, 2012, the Debtors began implementing the modifications to the CBAs. On November 7, 2012, the Debtors began to receive strike notices from various local unions affiliated with the BCT. On November 8, 2012, the Debtors received a strike notice from the IUOE. Between November 9 and November 13, 2012, various local unions affiliated with the BCT commenced strikes at 12 of the Debtors' bakeries. At another 12 bakeries, picket lines were set up by striking BCT workers, and certain BCT and other unionized workers at those bakeries chose to honor the picket lines by not reporting for work. As a result, production was significantly disrupted at the 24 bakeries impacted by the Strikes; however, many of the impacted bakeries remained operational to varying degrees due to management filling in for production workers and, in some plants, high numbers of employees crossing picket lines.


Since the strikes (the "Strikes") were commenced, the Debtors have urged striking employees to return to work. Unfortunately, at this time, thousands of the Debtors' employees continue to participate in or honor the Strikes. As a result, a sufficient number of the Debtors' baking facilities have become inoperable, and the Debtors are no longer able to fulfill customer orders or sell product at their retail stores. Because of the material impairment of the Debtors' business operations, the Debtors will soon lose access to the funding necessary to operate their businesses, and the Debtors will have triggered certain remedial provisions of the final DIP Order. As a result, the Debtors are beginning to take steps to wind down their business  operations, including the relief requested in this Motion.

In other words, the labor unions representing 18,000 workers fought the company, and the unions won... A very pyrrhic victory. Sadly, they are all now out of a job as the unionized victory just happened to lead to the terminal winddown of their employer.

As to the future of the iconic brands, fear not: Hostess' numerous brands will be bought in a stalking horse auction by willing private buyers, however completely free and clear of all legacy labor and pension agreements which ultimately led to the company's liquidation.

Now if only Hostess had raised taxes... (because they tried cutting spending, and liquidation followed).

Finally, those 18,500 new initial jobless claims next week? Sandy's fault.

Full winddown motion:



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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:30 | 2987086 BigInJapan
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Fuck unions.
Better yet, stand back and watch as they fuck themselves.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:39 | 2987110 GetZeeGold
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Workers of the world unite....and kill your leaders.....cause they sure as hell wouldn't think twice about killing you.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:24 | 2987275 insanelysane
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And by "workers" you mean citizens of a 1st world country that manage to learn less than people from 3rd world countries and have as much use and work ethic as Paris Hilton.  You mean those valuable workers?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:33 | 2987092 Cursive
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Subtitle for this post:  The parasites or eating the host or how Michael Bloomberg had an orgasm.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:36 | 2987097 williambanzai7
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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:42 | 2987117 GetZeeGold
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Sheer genius.....take off your shoes. This is wholly ground.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:42 | 2987119 Savyindallas
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My God! Is that Lloyd Blankfein? It sure looks like him. Look at his face-that evil smile/smirk. Is the squid at work with this Twinkie disaster? Goldman sachs is behind the destruction of another American iconiic institution? Are these cretins not pure evil? Surely this is the  final straw that will unite Americans to take down these cretinous, vulturous vampires.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:45 | 2987126 williambanzai7
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I don't know what they will do without weaponized twinkies.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:51 | 2987148 Alpo for Granny
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Out friggin standing Banzai. Thanks for the laugh.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:49 | 2987360 jayman21
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with Cramer in the background.....+100

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:50 | 2987120 Big Slick
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"That's a big Twinkie."

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:23 | 2987178 GetZeeGold
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The black ones usually are....not that it's really news to anyone.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:24 | 2987505 GetZeeGold
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I should point out there is the clearly someone has found out.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:57 | 2987125 Big Slick
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Vote down if you're a loser

(I love this retro-active editing ability.  Kinda reminds me of POTUS 2012-2016... "Wait, I didn't vote for that")

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:56 | 2987159 stocktivity
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Even Cramer is staring from the TV in stunned silence.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:14 | 2987224 AurorusBorealus
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Hostess didn't make this twinkie.  Somebody else made this twinkie.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:29 | 2987521 Race Car Driver
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"The meme is weak, Cap'tn - ya c'not push it no further."

"One or two more uses and it'll be dead, Jim."

"Stand down you two and put those phasers away! That's an order! This isn't your meme! You didn't create it! Somebody else started it!

But the History Eraser Button ... oh, the shiney red button ... it's mine! All mine, I tell you! Ha ha! Ha ha!

Now get the fuck outta my way!"


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:51 | 2987371 Oldballplayer
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Check out the semen stained undies on the floor.  That touch is pure genius.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:53 | 2987375 Calculated_Risk
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Is kramer staring at his ass?! I knew that guy was a fucking perv!

And it looks like he pissed on the shelves... hehe


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:36 | 2987099 billwilson
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Fantastic day for the health of Americans. About time companies that make crap for customers to eat go out of business.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:43 | 2987123 lolmao500
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Next up : McDonalds.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:06 | 2987189 inevitablecollapse
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jesus christ - does everyone now have to have their hand held?  be told what to eat? what to put in their bodies? each and every one of us is a sovreign and if i want to stuff my fucking face with twinkies, while doing blow off a hooker's ass then it's my perogative.  until we get out of the mindset of playing nanny for one another, the human race will come nowhere near it's potential.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:04 | 2987424 GetZeeGold
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According to at least one person the answer to that is.......yes.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:21 | 2988459 inevitablecollapse
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oh...ok, well...ah fuck it - i give, someone direct me to the nearest overeaters anonymous / food adiction self help group

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:38 | 2987100 buzzsaw99
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No word on how much the money grubbing execs looted the company for? No mention of mismanagement? Blame the unions and don't dig any further? Who looted the pension fund? Weak. Fucking really weak. Way to side with the maggots again zh.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:48 | 2987140 mumbo_jumbo
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fucking aye dude, WTF! isn't there 2 sides of every story? the brainwashing of some people is amazing.

in a fair well managed balanced company a union would never be formed...unions don't exist cause management/capital have  always been playing fair....wake the fuck up.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:12 | 2987451 Urban Redneck
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two unions- one chose to strike while the company was in the middle of a bankruptcy reorg, and one chose not to strike

the stupdity of one union

end of company

end of story


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:49 | 2987142 youngman
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"Who looted the pension fund"

Well now they are free to fund their own pensions fund....I call it looting involved...the Unions destroyed this company..they have struck many time over many years...I know there is a factory/bakery in my home town..

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:46 | 2988253 Matt
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Was the pension fund goalseeking 8% returns forever? The Bernanke might have some blame in this mess ...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:18 | 2987247 j0nx
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Agreed buzz. My thoughts exactly. I wonder how many execs would be driving up in a new Maranello on Jan 1st after demanding that the workers take an 8% pay cut and pensions be cut. Scorched Earth is the new black. At least that way ALL sides get the shaft. I encourage all workers to do the exact same thing unless their execs accept a 50% pay cut in wages and benefits as a good will gesture to the average workers. Leadership comes from the top and we are sorely missing that now in business and politics.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:41 | 2987849 ElvisDog
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You seem to be under the impression that those Hostess execs will "get the shaft". The reality is they (a) probably already have enough money to live on the rest of their lives and (b) it will be easy for them to get a senior exec job at a new company because they have demonstrated their steely resolve at Hostess.

Your "scorched earth" approach may allow you to puff your chest, but the only people it really hurts are the workers who are mis-led down that path. "Yeah, we showed 'em. Fucking A. Oh, wait, my mortgage payment is due next week".

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:17 | 2987465 ebworthen
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buzzsaw99 - Agreed, I'd like to hear the other side too.

Bankers and the rest of the finance industry don't need a union, they've got the FED (Congress too).

The death of an iconic American company has to be about more than just the union.

BTW - is this another sign of the "recovery"?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:20 | 2987475 ElvisDog
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You can blame management mis-steps if you want, but it was the union leaders and specifically the union leaders that cost all their workers their jobs through arrogance and stupidity. Did they really think if they talked tough and didn't budge an inch, that Hostess management would cave in. Fucking stupidity is not an effective negotiation strategy.

One thing I don't understand about modern-day unions and modern-day progressives (I assume you are one), is they don't seem to grasp 5th-grade mathematics, addition and subtraction. If there's not enough money to pay the current contract, then there's not enough fucking money. What exactly was Hostess supposed to do? If they raise prices, sales volume falls and they don't make enough money. There was no way for them to pay that contract and stay in business.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:56 | 2987634 j0nx
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Did the execs and board accept a 50% cut in compensation before asking the workers to accept their cut? If not then FOAD and burn the mofo down. Scorched Earth is the new black when it comes to corporate greed.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:24 | 2987765 ElvisDog
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Regarding 50% exec pay cut, probably wasn't offered. But that is completely irrelevant. Ask yourself, who was hurt by the union's hardball tactics (that blew up in their faces)? The union reps? Nope. They work for the union and will simply move on to their next gig. In fact, their resume is strengthened by their tough negotiating techniques. The senior management of Hostess? Nope. They will move on to their next company or simply retire with their big pile of cash. The people who are hurt by your "FOAD and burn the mofo down" approach are the rank-and-file union workers. Good job. You made your point and screwed the working stiff. Congrats.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:40 | 2990740 j0nx
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I think not. The execs will never work as execs again and don't have nearly enough money to retire knowing their lifestyles. Burn it down works great from where I sit. Everyone here got stiffed which is exactly what needs to happen.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:36 | 2987101 scatterbrains
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See that's that old booolshit..  they just trying to ween me off my EBT card.. aint gonna work Romney.. nice try though.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:04 | 2987181 GetZeeGold
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Not gonna work.....period. When do we get paid?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:37 | 2987104 gsferg
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The company had an seriously under-funded pension plan. Go figure.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:24 | 2987499 Papasmurf
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Pension plan?  That's the company rainy day fund.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:37 | 2987105 jughead
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No more Twinkies?  The freakin Mayans called it...THE WORLD IS ENDING!

I'm kinda a freaking out here...but please, no hugs, just throw me some Twinkies.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:52 | 2987151 kralizec
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The zombie apocalypse will just totally suck without twinkies.  ;(

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:05 | 2987187 Big Slick
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"The zombie apocalypse will just totally suck without twinkies."

Would suck worse without Remington and Mossberg

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:33 | 2987298 GetZeeGold
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Remington and Mossberg


Evil corporations....makes me want to go right out and crap on a cop car.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:22 | 2987492 GeezerGeek
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I haven't heard of Smith & Wesson or Sturm Ruger laying off anyone or threatening to go out of business. Anyone have a good explanation for this?

Maybe we should have elected Christie (?, NJ) as president. It appears that he could have kept Hostess in business all by himself.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:41 | 2987111 overmedicatedun...
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in an insane world it's the sane who are nuts. buzz guess which one you are. oh you gotta phone the Whitehouse first ok.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:39 | 2987112 lolmao500
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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:41 | 2987114 lizzy36
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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:45 | 2987132 overmedicatedun...
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damn you lizzy damn you...oh the humanity.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:47 | 2987135 williambanzai7
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Is this one of the new Goldman partners?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:18 | 2987246 Silverhog
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I think those are her two pet turkeys.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:29 | 2987290 williambanzai7
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A moment of silence for the brave photographer who took this photo and expired seconds later...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:56 | 2987393 sunnyside
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Though an inanimate object, I mourn for the chair.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:06 | 2987432 krispkritter
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Chair? What chair?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:24 | 2987503 GeezerGeek
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For a moment I thought you were working your Photoshop magic again. Then I saw it wasn't yours.

The picture makes me want to move to NYC and vote for Bloomberg.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:27 | 2987281 my puppy for prez
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That is just so wrong in so many ways......

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:30 | 2987291 Dr. Engali
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I don't eat Twinkies now, and this just made certain I won't in the future.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:57 | 2987400 Calculated_Risk
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How does she shave? Wrap your brain around that one!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:42 | 2987567 redeals
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lawn service -- weed eater

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:53 | 2987625 Temporalist
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I'm still working on - how does she go to the bathroom, how does she find underwear that fits, how does she get into a car, how does she walk through any door, how does she walk down stairs, how does she ever stand up?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:23 | 2987497 ElvisDog
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Got to hand it to that woman, she is owning it. Not only did it take years to acheive those thighs, but she is bringing them to the public with that two-piece .

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:25 | 2987510 Cosimo de Medici
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I'm bringing this picture to the hearing next time the Kansas School Board insists on teaching "Intelligent Design".  Of course they'll try to argue that God bought his wind tunnel in China.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:41 | 2987116 lordbyroniv
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This is really bad news guys.




End of the world.



Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:49 | 2987118 Catullus
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Another union destroys jobs.  It's how they've always operated.  Everyone involved is just lucky they didn't turn violent as they normally do. 

I guess Hostess didn't have enough workers in swing states or enough derivatitives on their debt for Obama to send in Steve RatBoy to fuck over creditors.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:22 | 2987270 j0nx
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Greedy execs destroyed another company. FIFY. If someone shows me that the execs at Hostess agreed to a 50% cut in their pay and benefit package after asking the workers to do the same then I will humbly accept that what was done here is the fault of the unions. Otherwise fuck that.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:18 | 2987740 WillyGroper
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Much like the austerity our elected reps will impose on themselves to save us from the fiscal cliff they created. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:31 | 2987296 semperfi
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PARASITES destroy the host(ess) body.  That's what they do.  And this is a microcosm of greater USA.  The 47% PARASITE NATION is destroying the host body USA. 



Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:36 | 2987305 j0nx
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I'm still waiting for someone to show me that the execs took a huge hit in their compensation before asking the workers to do the same? Bueller, bueller? Down arrowing me before you show me the proof is unsportsmanlike.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:52 | 2987620 Dumpster Fire
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Gregory Rayburn, a restructuring expert who took over as chief executive last month, said the top four Hostess executives reporting to him agreed to cut their annual salaries to $1 until the company either emerges from bankruptcy or Dec. 31, the Wall Street Journal reported. Four other executives agreed to return pay increases they received last July, six months before the company’s January bankruptcy filing.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:32 | 2989112 Cathartes Aura
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from Dumpster's link,

The committee of unsecured creditors said the company switched executive pay from performance-based bonuses to salary in what appears to be a maneuver around bankruptcy limits on retention pay, the Wall Street Journal reported.

According to the paper:

Last July, the court documents said, the compensation committee of Hostess’s board approved an increase in then-chief executive Brian Driscoll’s salary from to $2.55 million from around $750,000. The company had hired restructuring lawyers in March 2011, the creditors said, and filed for bankruptcy protection on Jan. 11.

Mr. Driscoll is no longer with the company and wasn’t reached for comment.

A spokesman for Hostess said Wednesday the company doesn’t believe the creditors’ “theory has any basis in law.” He said the executives’ salaries were increased at a routine compensation review “to align them with industry standards and because the executives were being asked to take on significant additional responsibilities associated with trying to restructure the company outside of bankruptcy proceedings.”

Not surprisingly, news of the executive pay changes outraged unions representing Hostess workers, who have been asked to accept a pay freeze as part of the company’s reorganization.

kind of makes the point, hmm?  funneling the fiat upwards, the new norm - let's give those execs a rousing cheer!

still, it's so much fun to defend eating "twinkies" *wink wink* and post fat people pics to mock.

Fun Club!!!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:47 | 2990758 j0nx
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Amen brother. My point EXACTLY. FUCK these exec mofos. Like the average workers weren't being asked to take on even more responsibility but their pay sure as shit wasn't tripled for their efforts now was it. Burn it down. May all the regular workers have the strength to do what these workers did. Either way eventually they are losing their jobs anyway. May as well be on their terms and take down all the greedy execs with them before they have a chance to loot the company any more than they already have. My patienece for this shit = ZERO.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:42 | 2987122 Uncle Remus
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Bloomburg should be happy.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:46 | 2987133 DanDaley
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Family Feud:

Michelle is extatic over the death of Twinkies, while Barry Frank-Marshall-Davis Obama is crying for his unions.  So sad, so sad.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:47 | 2987136 buzzsaw99
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They shouldn't call this fight club they should call it billionaire dick sucking club.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:27 | 2987282 Dr. Engali
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Why because we believe that a business owner should be able to have a return on their investment and not overpay some schlub for watching a machine stick a twinkie in a package?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:57 | 2987638 hardcleareye
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The old question, how much of a return on there investment should they be due???? (Remember pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered in lean times....)

If the investors are dumb asses are they still due a "ROI"? 

Should the ones paying the price for the mistakes be the workers?  And investors/management not held accountable?

"“The crisis facing Hostess Brands is the result of nearly a decade of financial and operational mismanagement that resulted in two bankruptcies, mountains of debt, declining sales and lost market share,” the union said yesterday in a statement. The company “attempted to resolve the mess by attacking the company’s most valuable asset -- its workers.”

IMO it is not that cut and dry.  The only reason there is a union in a facility is because somewhere along the way management dropped the ball........  that is why union's exist, bad incompetent management.... (of course union workers need there own "union's" to protect them from union management, which IMO is usually extremely incompetent.....)

Just so you know the Twinkies are put in the package in a automated production line, the operation and maintenance of the automated production line is done by a trained skilled workers, not a "sclub",,,,  you obviously missed "management charm school"...... lol

A little clarification, I have never been in a union and have always sat on the management side of the table........

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:35 | 2989126 Cathartes Aura
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aye, best to concentrate the corporate wealth in a few special hands, and keep it out of the worker's dirty fists, who knows what they might do with monies. . .

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:47 | 2987137 rodocostarica
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Best to just get it over with now. Bloomberg would have shut em down anyway for the high sugar content of the products.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:52 | 2987152 Zgangsta
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Yo Ding Dong man.  Ding Dong.  Ding Dong yo.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:17 | 2987470 Bicycle Repairman
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You beat me to it.  I can't freaking believe someone else posted that lyric.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:53 | 2987153 Cman5000
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Well that turned out good ...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:54 | 2987157 Seasmoke
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I was wondering why I just paid 99 cents for a loaf of Wonder. Boy those are some well known brand names , will be strange not seeing them. Sums fucking union thugs all need to choke on a Twinkie.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:50 | 2987364 Whoa Dammit
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99 cents for a loaf of Wonder Bread, when all of the other bread in the grocery store is $2.99 and up. That should tell you the real story. All of their product lines were underpriced given the rising cost of corn and wheat, Either management was seriously delusional about their input costs, or (most likely) it was a designed fail for one of their buddies to pick up the pieces of the company for pennies  (after they vaporized the pension fund) while hiring back senior management.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:26 | 2987514 ElvisDog
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$2.99? where do you live? In my neck of the woods, regular price for bread is $5-6 a loaf.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 14:07 | 2988694 Lednbrass
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$2.99? In my neck of the woods its usually 2/$4.

I don't think I ever want to be near your woods, sounds like they should be left to burn down.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 08:58 | 2987164 Massholio
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Maybe the union knew they ship was going down and wanted thier free shit while they could still get it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:01 | 2987166 Nikao7
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I undertstand why there are so many who hate unions.  But not all regions are the same.  I work out of Central Illinois and I can tell you that there is no comparison to Industrial Painters here and one's say in New York,  Detroit,  etc.  I've worked with guys from those areas and was appauled at there work ethic.  They don't last long with a contractor around my parts.  Every job I've worked (minus BP refinery in Northwest Indiana) it's balls to the wall.  Along with many skipped breaks to get the job done on time(Union worker skipping a break??? Surely I jest,  NOT).  The guys mentioned above will go out of their way to drag the job out(along with gravy o.t. pay).  I've seen it first hand and heard about it often.  That shit is Greek to me.  Just sayin.....

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:41 | 2987323 Orly
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That is the mind-set that should be fostered in a union.  Unfortunately, it is not the norm.

I did a stint at the VA hospital and the guy I was working with was the union liaison for the hospital workers.  He was an MRI tech.  Come six o'clock, he told the boss, "Hey, it's my quittin' time."  Boss says, "Yeah well, such and so is running a little late, so I don't have anyone to take over right now."

At six o'clock, he got up and clocked out...leaving a veteran of a foreign war inside the MRI machine.  Boss noticed half an hour later.

Now that's what a union is to me.  Just self-entitled, lazy idiots who hide behind "rules and regulations" to get away with murder.


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:57 | 2987398 jayman21
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It sounds like a narrative from Fox News or MSNBC depending on what the color of the day is(Red vs. Blue).

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:05 | 2987427 Orly
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Absolutely true story. Same guy was caught screwing an X-ray student upstairs.  He was reprimanded.  Then he got caught having his friend in Personnel omit that from his record.  She got fired.  He's still the union liaison.


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:05 | 2987429 Metalredneck
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I was a steward (briefly) with United Steel & Rubber workers.  I quit after watching some of my cohorts doing coke & making a nap-room in the upper deck of the cardboard shelves.

I have seen good & bad, but the bad was fucking BAD.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:46 | 2987591 DOT
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The Davis-Bacon Legislation gives the hint about where work effeciency is best. Compare the wages for your area (Springfield Zone) to the wages up in Chicago. 


I miss my pole guns.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:00 | 2987167 orangegeek
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18,500 workers go down the tube and the "save their pension" government organization can't pay out.


See this chart of the SP500 falling?


It's not going to be pretty out there.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:01 | 2987170 Mr. Lucky
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We need to put some twinkies in  cryogenic  storage.  Then hope a cure for this situation is found in the distant future.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:37 | 2987550 redeals
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No need. They have a half life of 5000 years.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:50 | 2988609 Mr. Lucky
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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:02 | 2987174 topspinslicer
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My union brothers, I, Barrack Hussein Obama, stand with you with food stamps at the ready, godspeed

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:20 | 2987259 semperfi
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Don't forget their ObamaPhones

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:02 | 2987175 DavidC
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I live in the UK. I tried Twinkies once, when someone brought some back from the USA. They were disgusting.


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:09 | 2987196 Big Slick
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Well maybe that's why we came to the New World, DavidC.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:11 | 2987203 Nikao7
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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:43 | 2987333 Orly
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He would prefer a breakfast of bangers and kidneys with a side of Spotted Dick.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:52 | 2987374 Legolas
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Stick to your Turkish Delight, then.  I'd take a twinkie over that any day.

I'm convinced that Turkish Delight is bleached, dried barf; probably devised by a Queen for her subjects.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:54 | 2987377 moonman
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Thats a surprise you would think they would be easy to eat for you rotten toothed Brits

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:40 | 2987565 Cosimo de Medici
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There was a world survey taken a few years back to determine the World's Worst Cuisine.  You may be proud to know the UK came in 1st.  Philippines and Russia rounded out the top three. 

Take the Twinkies.  It's an improvement.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:02 | 2987662 Temporalist
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Says the people who invented deep frying Twinkies and Snickers to make them taste "better".

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:08 | 2987191 wonderatitall
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about time. so tired of the producers and owners complaining. close it down, go on strike. obama and the crime lords known as "union goons" will not stop unless on break destroying and looting. let them fend for themselves , that should be a nice spectacle....bastard union thugs stabbing each other in the back for 5 cents makes a nice festival for me. 

as our gubmint lords of corruption and fat union goons shout in rage i can laugh and enjoy myself. 

end the fasciti loving democrat dictatorship and ignore the useless idiots of the repubs. 

its time for a 3rd revolution and it begins by saying fuck you obama and bankers

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:18 | 2987250 semperfi
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"obama and the crime lords known as "union goons"

formally known as The Kenyan Thug and his Union Thug Army

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:08 | 2987192 holdbuysell
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It's events like these that scream with flashing lights that the standard of living in the US will drop, regardless of how much kicking and screaming ensues.

Got Math?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:11 | 2987204 flapdoodle
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No more Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Ho Hos.


Truly a black day in history...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:44 | 2987338 dobermangang
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I love my Ho Hos.  They are so goooooooooooooood.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:13 | 2987212 Downtoolong
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This sounds like a case for Goldman. I thought this was precisely the kind of problem they exist to solve. I can’t believe Goldman isn’t able to come up with some kind of derivative based on the Euro, interest rates, and carbon credits, to help them out of this jam.

As for me, I’m going out to buy a couple of cases of Twinkies today. They’ll be a collector item in five years and I’ll be selling them on eBay for $50 apiece. Surely you don’t think the fat fucks who typically buy these things have the willpower to avoid eating the last ones they own.  

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:35 | 2987544 redeals
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And the scary thing is that in five years the twinkies would still be edible. Or at least as edible as a twinkie can be.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:13 | 2987214 lordbyroniv
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I draw the line at Table Talk pies....


if those cease to exist...


I am leaving America.


Fuck this shit.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:19 | 2987255 Big Slick
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DavidC says England is nice

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:10 | 2987448 Metalredneck
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No free phone, but we do have health care.  Bring a toque & shovel...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:16 | 2987216 Oldrepublic
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lots of interesting comments over at the wall street journal blog

on this company


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:14 | 2987222 j0nx
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It's always austerity for the little guy while the execs get bonused to the 9's and drive up in a Ferrari on Jan 1st. Perhaps scorched Earth is the best policy now for all concerned. At least that way both sides get the shaft and this insanity ends sooner. If there is one silver lining to this cloud it's that the execs involved will be humping the street looking for a new job along with all the union grunts and all of them will have a big black mark on their resume labeled HOSTESS.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:15 | 2987734 Temporalist
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Yeah!  And while we're at it why not just have flash mobs of shoplifters and looters because why should other people have things and why should companies be allowed to sell things that other people can afford to buy when others can't?


Oh?  That already happens?  Whocouldanoed?

Flash Mob in NYC's Bergdorf Goodman


Urban Youths Loot $3,000 Worth of Designer Jeans in Chicago Flashmob


Shoplifter Flash Mob


Flash Mob: Urban Youths Pillage Walmart In Jacksonville


Urban Youths Pillage Convenience Store in Portland, Oregon (Third Flashmob in a Month)


Another Flash Mob Robbery, This Time in Dallas


Nordstrom Flash Mob / Case # 12-031295

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:49 | 2990767 j0nx
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Nothing you posted makes any sense and is not relevant AT ALL to my point.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:14 | 2987223 AU5K
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Why is hostess allowed to fail, and other companies are bailed out?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:16 | 2987236 justanothersucker
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Their management contributed to Romney?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 11:29 | 2987792 ElvisDog
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Hostess should have made twinkies and solar panels or ho-hos and student loans. Then, they would have had no problems getting the govt bailout.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:07 | 2988369 Matt
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Ironically, the maker of Twinkies is NOT Too Big To Fail. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 15:17 | 2989041 Big Slick
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"Why is hostess allowed to fail, and other companies are bailed out?"

Because 'Big Twinkie" has crappy lobbyists

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:15 | 2987229 justanothersucker
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Well, at least the BLS won't have to struggle to explain NEXT week's poor jobs report.  RIP Twinkies.  I'm going to Costco, LOADING UP and Ebay here I come!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:16 | 2987232 HurricaneSeason
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This isn't over yet. Twinkie workers have been a member of the Gambino crime family for 60 years. We'll see what the judge thinks when he finds a horses head in his bed. "Back to work Twinkie men!"

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:16 | 2987235 toomanyfakecons...
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I wish the same would happen to public schools and teachers unions. My property tax bill would evaporate.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:22 | 2987271 AynRandFan
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Nice try, but public sector unions can just keep blackmailing us until we comply.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:17 | 2987241 khotel
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What demands were the unions making that Hostess was not willing to meet?  I haven't seen any details.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:17 | 2987242 fijisailor
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Well good riddance.  This junk food fest can fade into oblivion.  They get about the same rating as a coke dealer (both types).

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:18 | 2987253 Seasmoke
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If they just could have held on for six more months they could have got $100 for a loaf of Wonder.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:21 | 2987260 Pig Brotha
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I've been on both sides of the union/management scenario in NYC hotels, it is a fuckin' disgrace. You have illiterate pieces of shit barely able to speak the English language being treated as if they were untouchables because they are in the union. How about some dumb skill less fuck making $30+ per hour to wash dishes, or should I say feed and remove the dishes from a Hobart dish machine and do nothing but complain. Once these maggots are hired and enter the union it is nearly impossible to get rid of them regardless of work performance, attendance etc. As management we constantly try to create a better work environment (new cafeteria with free food, new lockers rooms, new uniforms, employee recognition days etc) and it is all a waste of time. The moment anything that could remotely be construed as a slight against a union member occurs, all hell breaks loose and they start screaming (literally) about their rights and call the business agent in. Unless you experienced this bullshit for yourself you have no idea how bad things are. The unions are destroying my industry, imagine having a 90% occupancy rate and still barley being able to keep the doors open. Unions cater to the least among the masses, those who don't give a fuck nor have the intelligence to realize they are destroying themselves.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:56 | 2987395 AnAnonymous
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As management we constantly try to create a better work environment (new cafeteria with free food, new lockers rooms, new uniforms, employee recognition days etc) and it is all a waste of time.

Absolute waste of time. It reads more like 'american' attempts by the 'american' management to justify their management positions (something had to be done in order to fill those management work hours) than attempts to better the work environment.

Typical 'american' attitude, as 'americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

This kind of 'american' initiatives only have one goal: help the so called helper.

And you will find it anywhere there are 'americans', public or private sector, charity or for profit businesses etc

This is how you spur consumption in an 'american' environment.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:06 | 2987433 Pig Brotha
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If you weren't such a large American penis envying Chink I would respond to you...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:13 | 2987456 Metalredneck
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One of my friends makes those Hobart dishwashers.  He gets $14.75/hr.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:32 | 2988168 Pig Brotha
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He must feel great knowing that a person that just pushes the rack of dishes in the machine and pulls them out when completed is making more than double the salary of the person that helped build the machines. BTW out of the 7 hours dishwashers work a day (sorry we don't do 8 hour days in NYC) he might actually work 2 or 3 hours. And no you can't assign different work during down time, his title is dishwasher and that is all he will do. Yep we are most definitively ready to compete on the world market...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 10:43 | 2987579 Alpha Monkey
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I've never had a union job, unless you count military service, which to me is just a giant fucking union.  However, I have had a few non-union jobs.  I'd have to say, listening to the way you talk about being a manager and remembering the way my managers were, it seems to me like there is a huge failure on the side of management.  I have yet to meet a truly competent manager that wasn't just another self serving POS like you sound to be.  Oooh, I see you're trying to make it sound like you are the good guy, getting new cafeterias, lockers, etc. but last time I checked, that wasn't the sole job of a manager.  Managers are meant to be leaders, and as such, they are meant to be able to connect with people and inspire them towards a common goal.  Most of what I've seen has been using things like, "we got you a new coffee maker, so now you should be 20% more effecient and productive.... we need to justify this cost somehow, or we'll have to start cutting back on labor..."  Leadership isn't meant to just wipe asses and then hold that asswiping over someone as a reason for them to work harder.  It surely sounds to me like you have an Us vs Them mentality instead of a leadership mentality.  If you are the common example of what passes for leadership in your company, then it's no wonder you can have a 90% occupancy rate and still barely be able to keep the doors open.

It all comes down to entitlement.  You feel entitled to worker loyalty, when you have done shit to earn it, and the workers feel entitled to higher wages when they are working their asses off to support the poor leadership taking the biggest peices of the pie.  I see there's a lot of plus signs on your name.  I wonder how many of them consider themselves proper leaders, when in fact they are nothing more than glorified slave drivers with no real backbone or intelectual creativity that's required to connect with people and produce real results.  It's easy to flail a whip around.

I'm glad you posted that racist comment in response to a response of your post, it makes understanding your small mind that much easier.  You don't deserve to be a manager, and there's no way you should consider yourself a leader.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:12 | 2988023 Pig Brotha
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It all comes down to entitlement.  You feel entitled to worker loyalty, when you have done shit to earn it,

Apparently you do not read/comprehend English very well. As I stated I have been on both sides on the union/management scenario meaning that I started in the union (even the military union) many years ago and worked my way up to executive management. Iv'e learned leadership through a concept of "leadership by example" and most of my team are loyal to me and the property. However there is a hardcore 25 - 30% of the union staff that don't give a fuck, you try operating a business when 30% of your staff are not even trying. As far as inspiring people, I have over 10 men in the field currently that I have assisted in moving from hourly wage earners to middle and upper management, something they never thought  possible. I help manage over 1000 employees at my property, all within the confines of the collect bargaining agreement so leadership is not a luxury it is a necessity. And as far as I feeling entitled to worker loyalty I don't feel entitled, I earn loyalty. You apparently are living in a far different world than I, where managers are not held accountable. In my 14 years at my current property we've had 9 general managers, each held accountable for their lack of performance. I assure you a commensurate amount of  union members have not been terminated during this time.

Regarding my "racist comment", man the fuck up bitch. This is fight club.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 16:00 | 2989255 waterhorse
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lol on ripping the other poster for "entitlement."  People who live in glass houses...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:21 | 2987262 Pumpkin
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Well Fuck!  Now the shit has hit the fan!  No more fucking twinkies?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:22 | 2987272 Professor Fate
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It's a victory for M & M's (Michael and Michelle).  Let all rejoice with another anti-obesity victory for the komrades.  The children shall survive on cabbage smoothies (under 16 ounces of course)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:28 | 2987283 FrankDrakman
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I can hear Bambam now:

"That Twinkie you're eating? You didn't bake that."

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:37 | 2987308 Vince Clortho
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$$Billions for Bank$ta$ but not a penny for Twinkies.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:37 | 2987309 wagthetails
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time for a Twinkies summit.  although Michelle might take issue with that. 

This is only the beginning i fear.  the end will be the eventual insurmountable gov't divide...then the people strike.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:40 | 2987326 semperfi
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how about the "producers", the "taxpayers" strike - where do I sign up?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:50 | 2987363 Let The Wurlitz...
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Taxpayers Unite - It not just a slogan anymore.


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:38 | 2987313 Fix It Again Timmy
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Bakers' Union - bringing a dull, 1" knife to a gun fight.  Seriously, is this a good environment in which to lose your jobs?  It's not like you have indispensable skills that require 8 - 10 years of post-high school education.  Have your union-employed advisors lost their jobs?  Rule #1 - don't be a dumb shit.  Rule #2 - repeat rule #1.  I used to work for the International Brotherhood of Firemen & Oilers - there are times to play your hand and times to fold 'em.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:37 | 2987314 Sig Sauer
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"Finally, those 18,500 new initial jobless claims next week? Sandy's fault"


Fri, 11/16/2012 - 09:39 | 2987321 semperfi
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nope - still Bush'es fault

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