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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

There are only a few people who get it: the era of cheap food is over.

Global net population growth creates over 200,000 new mouths to feed ever single day. Yet supply of available farmland is diminishing each year due to development, loss of topsoil, peak production yields, and reduction in freshwater supply.

Then there’s bonehead government policy decisions to contend with... like converting valuable grains into inefficient biofuel for automobiles. Paying farmers to NOT plant. Banning exports. Etc.

Of course, the most destructive is monetary policy. The unmitigated expansion of the money supply has led to substantial inflation of agriculture commodities prices.

These fundamentals overwhelmingly point to a simple trend: food prices will continue rising. And that’s the best case. The worst case is severe shortages. This is a trend that thinking, creative people ought to be aware of and do something about.

One solution is to buying farmland overseas. It provides an excellent hedge against inflation, plus it’s one of the best (and most private) ways to move money abroad, out of the jurisdiction of your home government.

In a way, overseas farmland is like storing gold abroad. But unlike gold, it produces a yield, ensures that you have a steady food supply, and even provides a place to stay in case you ever need to leave your home country.

So where are the best places to buy?

After travel to over 100 countries, looking at more properties than I can count, and investing in quite a few of them, I’ve come up with a few top picks that meet the following criteria:

  • cheap land costs
  • low operating costs
  • highly productive soil
  • low political risk (confiscation, regulation, market interference)
  • foreigner-friendly ownership rules
  • clear water rights
  • climatic stability

Believe it or not, these simple requirements eliminate most of the world. Much of central and Eastern Europe is too politically risky. Western Europe and the US tend to be cost prohibitive. Most of Asia disallows foreign ownership of farmland. Etc.

But there are still several places that remain. I’ll share two of them:

1. Chile. No surprises, Chile ticks all the boxes. Land costs are very reasonable, and operating costs are low. The soil in regions 6, 7, and 8, is some of the most productive on the planet. And best of all, Chile has some of the clearest, most marketable water rights in the world.

 

Another great thing about Chile is its location; it’s counter-seasonal to the northern hemisphere, so Chilean harvests tend to come at a time of tighter global supplies, pushing up prices.

 

As an example, we’re currently harvesting blueberries at our farm in Chile’s 7th region. Global blueberry supply is tight in November, so the price we receive is 35% higher than if we were in the northern hemisphere.

 

See www.chile-farmland.com for more information, it’s a fantastic resource.

 

2. Georgia. This may be shocking to some, but Georgia is a stable, growing country that’s definitely worth betting on.

 

Putting boots on the ground there, it’s clear that Georgia is on an upward trajectory with a bright future, much like Singapore was decades ago. Taxes are low, and the country is open to foreigners.

 

In fact, the government realized that they have tremendously high quality farmland, yet limited expertise in farming. So while most nations shut their doors to foreigners owning strategic farmland, Georgia went abroad actively seeking foreigners to come to their country.

 

They hit the jackpot in South Africa, offering land, financial incentives, and even citizenship opportunities to South Africans who would move to Georgia and work the land.

 

Land costs in Georgia are very low; top quality crop land costs about $3,000 per acre, compared to $10,445 in Iowa, or $12,000 in California. Yet simultaneously, yields are very high for everything from corn to wine gapes to peanuts, on par with both of those states.

 

It’s definitely a contrarian agricultural investment worth considering.

 


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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:45 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Surely, the only answer to your potential hunger problem is to jet around the globe and eat 5-star meals in 3rd world countries while typing on your keyboard...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:52 | Link to Comment no taste
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Have you ever seen Karl Rove try to jog?  I didn't think so.

Expensive food and no job prospects mean that Karl Rove is consuming his lard ass.  Fortunately for Karl, there are years' of calories stored away.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I have some pretty strong opinions, but I really believe that my saving grace (unlike some others who possess similarly strong opinions) is that I can admit when a) I don't know something (and who can possibly know much with certainty?), and b) I was wrong.

With that preface/caveat out of the way, I believe that this article vastly oversimplifies what it purports to be the biggest emerging determinants in the real price of food crops.

Many factors, although clearly not all factors, that are key determinants in the real price of food (and commodities) pertain to things that mighty mankind still is unable to control, even with all of its knowledge and tools, such as weather patterns, true breakthroughs in research (e.g. technologies pertaining to boosting yields per acre) and other such things.

If Jesse Livermore, who was truly one of the all time great traders & ended up blowing his head off, were alive today, he'd PROBABLY (although it's just speculation on my part) advise others that commodity plays are one of if not the most dangerous kind.

 

p.s. - Whisper rumor that Simon black sent this from his bamboo whittled "smart phone" with carrier pigeon technology, while shacked up on the tax-free paradise that is an undisclosed smaller island off the larger Haitian one, with concubine made margarita in hand (made with liquor that he distilled himself and citrus fruit that he grew hydroponically, using solar & wind technology).

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Nah, I think Simon is hiding in a flyover state, given his "ever day" line.

Dat dere, is a tell.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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hmmmm...Simon Black in Gary City, Indiana?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment dracos_ghost
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Why all the travel. Disneyland. Done. Game over. Finito. Saved on Carbon Credits too. Add in the cartoon entertainment as a bonus and it's a no brainer.

Just curious how much of a nut one needs to enact Simon's Robinson Crusoe jaunt of agrarian bliss.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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@TIS

LMFAO... Simon Black = The Admirable Crichton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Admirable_Crichton_(film)

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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What? Food grows in the dirt?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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Jesse Livermore liked commodities and made fortunes speculating in cotton, wheat and oats. He also felt that commodities were a more legitimate business than stocks.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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That's not to say he didn't view commodity speculation (and he was a pure speculator, after all) didn't have among the highest, if not absolutely highest, beta relative to the other asset classes available to speculate upon during his career.

JL lived for the thrill, so it's all perfectly consistent.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:25 | Link to Comment Lore
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Many factors, although clearly not all factors, that are key determinants in the real price of food (and commodities) pertain to things that mighty mankind still is unable to control, even with all of its knowledge and tools, such as weather patterns..."

Poor throwback.  Clearly, you still believe in MARKETS and haven't been listening to the all-wise, all-knowing "Green" PROPHETS (profits?) OF SCIENCE.  The PROBLEM is YOU and your nasty CAR and your BREATHING and your ICKY CARBONIFEROUSNESS. You, YOU YOURSELF, are destroying the planet.  You're "UNSUSTAINABLE."  SURRENDER YOUR RIGHTS, MOVE INTO A SHOEBOX CONDO AND PAY CARBON TAXES IMMEDIATELY.

http://www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/what-is-un-agenda-21.html

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 05:25 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"..and citrus fruit that he grew hydroponically, using solar & wind technology)."

a windmill to power the ventilating system and solarpanel to power the HPS lamp? - yes that would be funny hehe...

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:04 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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I especially disliked this one... "foreigner-friendly ownership rules"

Ask the mining corporations how fast "foreign friendly ownership rules" can turn to nationalization of mines.

Ask the non state owned oil companies how fast all oil extraction can be nationalized.

Does the author believe that Georgia will stand by and let foreign owners buy up all the productive farm land and reap large profits? Georgia isn't full of fools... Stalin was from Georgia!

Sans nationalization, an extreme tax ramp up accomplishes the same thing as nationalization and leaves in place the expertise of private companies and individuals.

Any time any gov sees 'exhorbitant' (in their opinion) profits being made by any individual, that gov will slap a new tax on the profitable sector.

Multi-national companies were created in large part, or evolved, in an attempt to avoid such ramp up in taxation by govs.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:36 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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"If Jesse Livermore, who was truly one of the all time great traders"

That's like saying Batman was the greatest American hero.  The person depicted in that book wasn't Livermore.  It was just a character in a book, and although it's my favorite book, it still isn't reality.  

The character of Larry Livingston isn't even the greatest trader of all time.  He spends the whole book prattling on about how to trade and then blows out repeatedly.  Each time he does, he lamely explains that he failed to follow his rules.  No shit Sherlock.  Livingston never recognizes that his core problem was you never bet money you can't afford to lose, because that's exactly when a primate breaks his rules.  Livingston could throw around millions, but when the money became important, he was no better a trader than any other ape.

In life, Livermore was a deeply flawed person who self promoted and cultivated an image because he wanted to make a name for himself in market history.  Some of the stories in the book are fictional, and some are bastardizations of the truth.  For example, the story of the fur coat is probably based on the event where Livermore's wife was stopped at customs and hit with a heavy fine for jewelry she didn't declare at the border.  Livermore went home and tried to make the market pay that fine, blowing out in the process.  The moral of the fur coat story is never force the market to pay you.  I'm not saying Livermore was a bad guy, but his track record sure doesn't make him the greatest trader of all time.  

The greatest trader ever was probably LeFevre.  Anyone who could put together a book like that obviously understood trading, but surprisingly, there's no record of him trading.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Physical gardens bitchez.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:14 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"Physical gardens bitchez"

Physical Golden Shower bitchez!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Marge N Call
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Did Karl fuck you in the ass and not give a reacharound? Sorry dude, I agree that's bad taste, but get over it.

He's still richer and smarter than you.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 05:25 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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And he's fatter, too.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Smarter? Perhaps if the expectaion of a moral code is removed.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment 4shzl
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Fantasy investing -- almost as much fun as fantasy football: NOT.  You think you're going clip agro-coupons from afar while the local serfs till your land and harvest your crops?  LOL.  Good luck with that.

 

You want to really own farmland: you live on the land, you work the land, and THEN you get to own it.

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment toady
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Sure you get to own it, but can you keep it?

Now that the growing season is done my mind goes (as always) to 'can I stop the enemy from taking it from me'.

Another highly successful year on the farm. I have so much stuff canned that I'll probably give a case or two to my brothers & sisters for Christmas.

I'm just always worried that refugees or zombies or paratroopers will show up when the shtf.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:14 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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Got a pantry (or hopefully something larger) - stock it! Got a gun - clean it, and get more ammo... a lot more!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:19 | Link to Comment no taste
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This character "wee-weed up" is a sock puppet.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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I'm going to freeze a bunch of twinkies. A year from now I'll sell them and bet I do better than the 35% blueberries in Chile.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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36 economically-envious socialists gave this comment a thumbs up...sorry, not me!

Perhaps you should assess whether what he's SAYING makes sense - not who's saying it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:25 | Link to Comment zippy_uk
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Why not just nuke a few cities - leaves the farm land intact and solves the more mouths to feed problem. You can always call it in after reviewing the candidate city from the comfort of the five star hotel, just before you board the plane at the airport.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:46 | Link to Comment ACP
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The Fed will keep pushing down, distorting until there's no way they can hold down the price any more. Won't be like letting go of a balloon underwater (a la Schiff), be more like a Trident II launching out of the water.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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The proof is to just look at what a ding dong costs on ebay!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:54 | Link to Comment ShrNfr
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The Dip Dreks in Washington will cost you more, like it or not. You are ordered to buy under penalty of law.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Giving or receiving?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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I can sell my empty bottle of Heineken for $25 on Ebay, whether some idiot will buy it is another story.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Michelle
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Farm ground is in a bubble in some areas and are propped up by insurance companies buying it up. Like everything, equilibrium prevails. Commercial growers will buy when the prices make economic sense and use their economies of scale to make the land profitable thus driving down food prices.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:28 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Even as bubblicious as it may be, you can get the best rice ground in the united states, precision leveled for ~$3-4k/acre...  with pretty solid water to boot.  I'm not sure simon actually looks at anything...  I know I'd go to georgia for damn sure when I can get the same thing here...  jfc bud. 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:53 | Link to Comment zapdude
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Simon Black jumping the shark on this one? 

Every Malthusian prophecy has promptly slid into the dustbin of history.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Toxicosis
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Right, so because it has never happened yet, it never will.  Your assessment of the situation is exemplary I must say.  Please inform me of your courses in ecological subsystems management you will be teaching next semester, cause I'm all in!!!!!  And I can't wait to see your math lessons on population and species ecology since you seem to have a grasp far over and above those ludricous scientists who do these things for a living each and! every day ad nauseam.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:04 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Here's a thought: those models? All linear.

Reality never is.

As always, any equation has to account for the question, "At what standard of living?"

Yet all I see are aggregates that assume there's no such thing (X number of people divided by Y amount of food).

As long as free choice exists, we will all fit into reality the best we can. Without free choice? Well that's hardly a Malthusian question now, is it?

There's a reason that Lenin, Stalin and Mao ALL failed, and it isn't one of scarce resources (other than liberty).

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Toxicosis
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All these models are linear eh?  Ever heard of exponents and multi-variant studies?  Oh and yeah this silly little scientific and social/ethical concept referred to as the 'precautionary principle' might just come into play every once in awhile.  Choice also comes with responsibility and unless you're asleep at the wheel fully scarce resources are here, whether you like it or not.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Tox  -  the precautionary principle is academic theory and stupid because of it. Each and every enterprise understands its business better than this academic dribble attempt to (mis)manage the economy, each enterpirse weighs its own risk as a natural course of their business.

The free market is the greatest solution to any problem, we do not need dipshit academics (or Govt), they can teach nobody nothing because they are no-nothings 

if there's a food shortage anywhere the market will rush in and fill the hole. It's about time we rolled back the cancer that is Govt in agriculture, water, energy and meddling in every other market and allowed the free (from Govt meddling) market to get on with it

we'll be massively better off once the dumb inept parasite gets off everyones backs

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:34 | Link to Comment Toxicosis
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So academic scientific based theories are based in stupidity, at least according to your assumption.  Can you possibly quantify a statement you make as such?  Without science and the testing of hypothesis and theory the computer and electronics you use today would not have come into existence.  Science cannot be convenient only when you would like it to be.  The free market no matter how much you praise it is still limited by the ability of the earth to provide it.  Natural disasters and climactic disturbances can wipe out viable crops and erode topsoil for many years, unless you have some sort of data and facts to dispute this.  The free market only exists because the products are available.  There are limitations whether you accept it or not.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Toxicosis
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In addition your disrespect for science and those who study and practice it's multiple disciplines speaks volumes of your own cherry picking mentality as you betray your own conduct by benefiting from the many products that science has provided for you. In the last one hundred years extensive academic work in the sciences has been accomplished and yet you pontificate that all this was easy to achieve and is really smoke and mirrors or magic of some sort and that the common scientifically uneducated man is just as capable.  What bullshit.  Time to get yourself educated or become amish, because if not, the only soapbox you stand on is largely hypocritical.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:59 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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"If there's a food shortage anywhere the market will rush in and fill the hole." 

Stupidest post of the day.  And that's saying something.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:56 | Link to Comment MiguelitoRaton
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If http://chile-farmland.com/ is an fantastic resource, then Simon Black offers unique and valuable insights...niether is true.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment MiguelitoRaton
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^^^ One negative vote above...I see Simon Black is active in the comments ;-)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Wise foods is a must

You can thank me when you are not starving to death

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:09 | Link to Comment DaveA
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Just one little problem. Some friends of my parents bought a nice little farm in Guatemala to retire on. They did all the planting and weeding, but their neighbors did all the harvesting.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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Guatemala is full of asshole tribal commie indians, any "private investment" in their country is a "donation" like most of Latin America.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:11 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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colonisation, coups & corporations - do some research p'haps?

I'll give you some help, start with United Fruit Company.

amrka, so much to be known for, globally. . . the future will reap what you've sown.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Reptil
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two words: heirloom seeds

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Monsanto will eventually have them fully exterminated thanks to the air filled with GMO pollen.

Since we are human, and it is not, time is on its side.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Circling the drain on that one ... to my knowledge no one has demonstrated any downside to GMO yet.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Other than nonviable seeds?  Monsanto doesn't need competition; thier creations do not produce viable seeds. You must buy new seeds every year.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:23 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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They do produce viable seeds. But if you save them to plant, Monsanto has an army of private detectives and patent lawyers who will fuck you over, chew you up, spit you out, and burn your operation to the ground. Legally speaking, of course.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 04:02 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Yeah, you're right.  I must have been confused by gurts.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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lol, the clue in that statement:  to my knowledge

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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Patent lawsuits against seed-saving, self-sufficient farmers.

How's that for a fucking downside?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:31 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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No "known downside" to GMO's?

lol...research into possible long term "downsides" is expressly prohibited by the makers...

"Monsanto, Pioneer (DuPont) and Syngenta require anyone buying their GMO seeds to sign an agreement that explicitly forbids that the seeds be used for any independent research. Scientists are prohibited from testing a seed to explore under what conditions it flourishes or even fails. They cannot compare any characteristics of the GMO seed with any other GMO or non-GMO seeds from another company. Most alarming, they are prohibited from examining whether the genetically modified crops lead to unintended side-effects either in the environment or in animals or humans." http://www.globalresearch.ca/gmo-scandal-the-long-term-effects-of-geneti...

no known dangers to human health from GMO's...

as far as I know, there's no known danger to cordless bungee jumping either...all participants in said activity have been unable to prove any downside to their experience so far.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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" ... research into possible long term "downsides" "

 

Hmmm ... weasel word: 'possible'.

 

Still no known dowsides.

 

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Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Do some reading.  Recent research showed that rats fed a GMO diet did not live as long as rats that ate non-modified foods.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Nostradumbass
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Yeah, you can rest assured that GMO is good for you and there are no downsides at all... back to slumber now.

/sarc

 

http://www.gmwatch.org/latest-listing/1-test/6172-10-years-of-gm-watch-4...

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:13 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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Go to YOUTUBE--and WATCH the proof , you knucklehead. there was a 2-year french study involving test rats and GMO food--It's HIGHLY educational.  you're welcome. and wake the fuck up. Soon.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Have u looked up lately? Where I live, we've been bombarded for 5 weeks now with chemtrails. Tested my neighbors fish pond. PH is acid at the lowest scale of the tape. I'll be growing my cole crops in the garage this winter. We're lab rats.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:24 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Where I live, we've been bombarded for 5 weeks now with chemtrails. "

 

Yeah, HOW EFFECTIVE DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT IS AT GROUND LEVEL WHEN DISPERSED UP AT 30,000 FEET ANYWAY? (Consider: High and mid level winds, the dispersal of 'compounds' three dimensionally into the atmosphere! Consider how CROP DUSTING is actually done for a moment - in PROXIMITY to the crops being sprayed, not from FL 320 - flight level three two zero.)

 

Stupid CTs ... spouting the damnedest inane things ...

 

(Don't you SUPPOSE spiking the CITY water supply or irrigation ponds would be just a teeny tiny bit MORE effective?)

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Nostradumbass
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Here is some great info on "chemtrails"

http://www.artificialclouds.com/

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Google farmer Joel Salatin, Michael Pollin's "The Omnivore's Dilema" and the documentary "Food Inc."

Our food system is a fucking nightmare.  Religious people think a food system is immoral if people eat pork.  The food system is not immoral because we eat meat, it's immoral because the mechanized horror and sadistic treatment of the animals and the workers. 

Don't believe it?  Americans are apparently gonna miss "Twinkies". Holy shit.

Ever wonder why there aren't fruit trees everywhere?  I guess cause we're stupid.

Monsanto is likely the most evil corporation on the planet and they've got a lot of fucking competition.  Way to go, Monsanto, you fucking money worshiping, sadistic wankers.

/rant.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Fucking "Auschwitz Farms"  >=[

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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do a search on Romney, Bain Capitol & Monsanto.

Mormon "welfare" from the Bishops is all GMO & HFCS.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:32 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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Of course it is. That's the cheapest and most readily available. You want to feed 1000 people GMO HFCS or 100 people grass-fed prime rib and organic heirloom arugula and edamameif the other 900 will starve?

I'm being purposely over dramatic here, but the point is the same. And yes, I'd rather have people eat the good stuff, too, but the people on Coney Island would love themselves some Mormon #10 cans right now.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Joel Salatin gets great production, uses no chemicals and has perfected the process of building top soil rather than depleting it.  Granted, a cultural shift is required -- unlikely anytime soon -- but the way to go.

Yeah, if I'm starving then Alpo cold in the can sounds fine.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:10 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Romney & Bain Capital & Monsanto. . .

either you can add, or you can't.

by the way, you do know that Mormons manufacture their own food, including farming, ranching, etc. - they choose to use poison, and they distribute their products globally. . .

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:04 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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GMO is not the only way to feed the masses, it's just been marketed that way.  And you apparently bought it, along with all the stupid Californians that voted not to label GMOs.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:14 | Link to Comment FrankIvy
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Too easy.

The main reason that food prices are increasing is not given.  The main reason is that energy cost per unit is rising and has been rising for quite some time.  It's that simple.

Some guy said, "modern agriculture is the process of turning petroleum into food using land."  That's absolutely correct.  As petroleum product costs go up, so too do fertilizer costs, pesticide costs, machinery costs, farming costs, drying costs, storage costs, delivery costs, and so on.

Peak oil. 

Very simple.  But paradigm changing for most people, and the one fundamental truth about human beings is that it is a very, very rare person who is willing to challenge his or her own paradigm of living by carefully reviewing and considering information that contradicts that paradigm.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Being Free
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+1

Which makes government energy policy even more bizarre.  We should be exploiting coal for electricity and NG for chemical derivatives and transport.  Both of which are very abundant.  The extra CO2 from the coal helps the crops be more drought resistant, and a few degrees warmer, if you buy that shit, wouldn't hurt either.

But then it really doesn't matter, does it.  The bernank has our back.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Which makes gov energy policy more bizarre?

You are under the illusion that the government you pay for gives a rat's ass for you. They're in business to make a profit. Your tax donations help.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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IMHO, it was energy prices that broke the back of the global debt-based financing Ponzi.

FWIW Family farming (ie homesteading) increases one's resiliancey just like storing food and fuel, having alternatives to grid power, holding PMs and FAs, etc.  Where's the downside?  No, you can't take it with you, but if you had to bug out for some reason, you wouldn't be any worse off than an apartment dweller - and in most situations, you'd be far better off.

Regardless of the price, I wouldn't suggest waiting too long if you don't already hold some productive land - as I fear that there aren't too many shopping days left until Christmas.

Put another way, Noah didn't wait for it to start raining to build the ark - and there be storm-clouds-a-brewing folks!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Peak oil.  "

 

There is no NO peak oil issue, there IS a peak constraint issue.

(Man probably says 'peak oil' in the middle of a nat 'gas' bonanza with a straight face too no doubt.)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Gave you a one up dude. Has anyone around here heard of abiotic oil?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Hee, hee, hee....

Now that is funny...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:42 | Link to Comment AgLand
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There are several reasons for the rise in food prices:

1) rising energy costs

2) rising inflation of the dollar

3) declining yield per 'science investment' (or we have gotten down to roughly 1% improvement or less in yield per existing unit of farmland per year)

4) increasing world population

5) increasing demand for grains to feed meat units (3-7 grain units to produce a mean unit) for a wealthier Asia

6) shrinking 'days supply in the bin' due to all the above plus occasional weather issues.

7) using food as fuel

8) topsoil erosion

9) urban sprawl (china has lost a lot of good land by paving it over, as has the US)

10) water issues (either natural drought or 'man-made' as in some of the CA ag valleys that have had their water 'cut off' for environmental reasons)

11) declining aquifiers (parts of the outer edges of the Ogallala have dried up to the point where previousl ground pump irrgated land is now eing returned to prarie)

 

and I am sure I am forgetting some.  In any case, for all intents and purposes the FAO believes we have a real problem on their hands, and they have the money to throw at the issues to study it.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:27 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Yup.

 

Add to that mix 'biofuel production' on farmland that used to provide for human foodstuffs ...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment larz
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No more dollar menu at the Irish restaurant McDonalds???!!!!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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I know McDonald's is Irish. I LOVE their potatoes!

(Although their Shepard's Pie and Bridie and Pasties leave a lot to be desired.)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment tickhound
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"The English contribution to world cuisine - the chip."

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Umm... think Belgium...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment sitenine
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I've heard time and time again that GMOs will feed the World.

A bunch of fucking idiots imho...Especially the religious morons who claim God created everything perfect then they turn around to claim humans can engineer better.  Hypocrites much?  Then there are the idiots who would willingly walk into FEMA camps because they think the govt will take care of them.  Yeah, exponential functions and critcal mass do not apply to humans apparently - human stupidity knows no bounds.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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If you can digest GMOs, you can digest cardboard. And there's PLENTY to go around.

Come to think of it, move into a cardboard box when times are tough. Then you can eat the house. It'll be fun, just like Hansel and Gretel.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Actually sawdust is found in many processed foods today, so if sawdust is edible so is cardboard too!

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11012915/1/cellulose-wood-pulp-never-tast...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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The New Soylent Green - it's Fiat!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment rhinoblitzing
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Isn't FEMA supposed to have food and generators and stuff, for like natural and man made disaters? Right? Hello? Is this thing working? Hello?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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You can bet your life that GMO "food" will be promoted as the ONLY way to save the people by the idiots who believe in the criminal enterprises they represent.

Anyone who says differently will be painted as an evil, heartless luddite, in the same manner of those who falsely portray Dr. Ron Paul that way. Sure, there's plenty of us who know better, but there are many, many more who will latch onto whatever tripe fits into their incoherent belief system.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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just curious, what is Paul's position on GMO crops?  couldn't find anything beyond his "dailypaul" posters - any actual quotes or?

edit:  no luck on an actual quote, but looks like both Pauls are against labeling GMO foods.

http://2012election.procon.org/view.answers.election.php?questionID=001771

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment bigkansas
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I still have spinage in my fridge from my garden. Luckly most of the US has a yard big enough to grow plenty of food.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:29 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Yes if your Agenda 21, neo-nazi HOA and city policies don't stop people from doing it under threat of jail.  I have been fighting HOA imbeciles and their moronic policies for years. Can't have a few chickens, but you can have a shitting, barking dog in every house.  Feral cats running around breeding like rabbits.  I even joined the board to try and get them to use some of the wasted land around as a community gardening project. Fail.  People don't believe in green living unless they can buy it from Ikea.  I picked 8 whole pumpkins on trash day in my mothers complex after Halloween.  One lady asked me what I was up to and I told her I was grocery shopping for the next 2 month.  I asked her how much she paid for the pumpkin I picked and she told me 15 bucks.  I asked her why she wasn't making soup or a couple of pies with it.  She shrugged and said she never though of it.  I asked her if she wanted it back.  She said no.

Finally got fed up and moved back to the real world.  Nice crop of organic okra, eggplant and winter squash growing now.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 01:48 | Link to Comment Lore
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There are square peg control freaks, and there are round peg control freaks, and they disagree on details, but they're all deeply convinced that they know better than anyone else how everyone should live their lives. But imagine a system where individuals live free, respect others, mind their own business, and government is SMALL. What a beautiful world that would be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Blankenstein
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Maybe people need to stop breeding like bacteria and our government should not reward those who do (extra welfare money, tax deductions, tax credits, etc.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhaYlzw-lWI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:42 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Will I ever hear the end of this Romney fellow?

Sticks like baby poo!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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But i love breeding like bacteria!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment kito
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oh lordie, simon now has an agri-fetish.............hey simon, did you just dig up a jim rogers article from 4 years ago???????? youre a little late the to game buddy.....................

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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"Then there’s bonehead government policy decisions to contend with... like converting valuable grains into inefficient biofuel for automobiles. Paying farmers to NOT plant. Banning exports."

Perhaps you should study the linkage between ADM, Monsanto, etc and the re-election of those responsible for the policy a little more closely.

When viewed from space, the activity looks much more like the mafia-style shakedown it really is, but have fun getting in on some concessions contracts for the next Farm-Aid concert while the gettins' good, as they say.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Simplifiedfrisbee
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No food shortage will ever occur when your government is the police of the world enforcing the dollar. At least, until we run out of bombs in exchange for oil.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Good for them offering asylum to fleeing South Africans. If only the U.S. would, those are the kind of immigrants we could use.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:47 | Link to Comment ugmug
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Green energy is the new cash crop.

Politicians think that the 'growing season' is just an euphemism for taking Viagra.

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:23 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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They have to grow something real during months of  recess.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment AvoidingTaxation
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I never see Simon Black answer here. Why? Where are you? Give us some REAL inside.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:09 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Simon Black is a computer algorithm. Simon is not programmed to answer the questions Simon elicits.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Sound's like AnAnonymous. . .

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment frenchie
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so CEE is politically risky but not Georgia ?

lol ???

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:03 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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10 large in IA? Simon has never been to my corner of the state. It's going for 20K not far from here, and I am just waiting for the hissing sound.....or will it be a loud 

POP!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment GubbermintWorker
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Thanks, but I'll just keep my lil ole five acre homestead in Indiana....that plus a substantial amount of gold,silver, and lead seems like a good investment.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment the iD
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not to mention that modern agriculture is the process of turning oil into food. good luck to all w/ their slide down the hubbert curve. gonna need it.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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-1 Hubbert curve; Frack it. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:47 | Link to Comment css1971
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You just bring future production into the present. i.e. you go through the remaining reserves faster while still not increasing total production.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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On first read, that makes LITTLE sense.

 

Also, I sense a 'strawman construction', regarding: 'while not increasing total production'.

 

a non sequitur.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:06 | Link to Comment reader2010
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Very Few People Understand This Trend...? 

 

So you're saying everyone except you is a dumbass?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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There will be a huge harvest in Georgia - The Georgian Mafia will be harvesting anything of value your stupid ass brought there.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Hedgerow-
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So I buy land abroad. Then there will be unrest all over the world. Suddenly I cannot get in contact with the local people who farm for me on my land in some foreign country. Now I decide to jump on a plane and go demand that these people start answering my calls. They tell me to "Piss off". I tell them "I bought this land with real monies so I am the owner of this patch". Then they tell me "I took your land with my AK so you better hop back on the plane and GTFO".

 

The end?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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By George, I think you've GOT IT!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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....and let me guess....they have more friends around them than you brought with you. Yep...very practical solution for a food price increase.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:52 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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LOL

"...hop back on the plane"   That's a very diplomatic way of saying he didn't answer you, shot you dead, and then buried your ass on "your" own plot of land. The end.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 03:17 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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And that, my friend, is what it truly means to 'buy the farm.'

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:44 | Link to Comment css1971
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To be fair, outside America we do have laws, hot and cold running water, central heating, double glazing, television, automobiles, trains, blue jeans, the Internet and many more signs of civilisation.

In many ways outside America is much like inside America.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Like America, but with less bitching.  Which is a pretty big difference, really.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:28 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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Don't be ridiculous: You would actually BUY LAND in another country and NOT have a presence there? you DESERVE to get ripped off. hey, here's a clue: MOVE to the country so you can keep an eye on YOUR possessions.then you can show them your Bushmaster with the red-dot sights IN PERSON, and say "I'm sorry , how do you spell pendejo again, asshole?"

 See how that works? in the future, you will be required to show up for your life. Don't be late, or LAST.

 Absentee ownership is chancy at best.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment Pretorian
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Georgia? Are you joking.They will take off your clothes and f.uck you for free until you feel the corrupt country.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment GubbermintWorker
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without even so much as a reach around!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:22 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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I already own 3,000 acres of PRIME farmland at Farmville.................

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Mine Is Bigger
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If you believe food is becoming more expensive due to shortages, why would you buy farmlands half away across the world from you?  What squirrels do makes far more sense than you, Simon.  They will be diggin up nuts long after you perished.  FAIL!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:33 | Link to Comment AgLand
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You must be one of them people who thinks everyone south of the border looks like a 'mexican' and is lazy.

There is a BIG world out there, and lots of good farmland in it.  I'm not standing up for the shameless promoter Simon (I know a guy who physically paid him a visit in Chile and was not impressed), but I can tell you that farming in the US is not a picnic.  Laws and regs out the wazooo compared to plenty of other places that welcome your investment and the work it brings to the community.

I buy land 'south of the border' for far less than avge US land prices and it produces more.  My 'title' is secure as well.  The reason to buy out of th US is better ROI, less senseless regs, good quality, and not having all your nuts in one cubby hole called the US.

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Mine Is Bigger
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Thanks for your reply.

I think you got me wrong.  I don't think it is a bad idea to buy farmlands if you are looking for an investment.  I was simply pointing out buying farms where you cannot get to if things get really bad is not smart if one is buying them, believing there will be serious food shortages.

I don't think farming is an easy job in anywere.  And I don't see anything wrong at all even if "everyone south of the border looks like 'mexican.'  And if you were looking for it, you can find "laziness" everywhere in the world.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:27 | Link to Comment adr
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This is what you get when you have ADM, Mosanto, and the rest of the government sponsored Big Ag selling America's soul to the highest bidder.

Let's sell grain to China, India, and feed starving Africans so they can produce exponentially greater starving Africans. Soon Americans will starve even if there is plenty of food, because the Chinese government will buy up all the crops. Those Happy Cows from California wil be shipping cheese to China from Chinese owned CA farmland very soon.

The thingwith nature is it takes care of overpopulation itself. Too many deer, then most of them die off. Problem solved.

The problem with Africa is too many people fed the deer. Same with India and China.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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.

China and US allegedly ‘tested genetically modified golden rice on children’


A recent scientific publication suggested that researchers, backed by the US Department of Agriculture, fed experimental genetically engineered golden rice to 24 children in China aged between six and eight years old.

http://ozhouse.org/2012/09/15/china-and-us-allegedly-tested-genetically-...

 

Human genes engineered into experimental GMO rice being grown in Kansas


Since about 2006, Ventria has been quietly cultivating rice that has been genetically modified (GM) with genes from the human liver for the purpose of taking the artificial proteins produced by this "Frankenrice" and using them in pharmaceuticals. With approval from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), Ventria has taken one of the most widely cultivated grain crops in the world today, and essentially turned it into a catalyst for producing new drugs.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035745_GMO_rice_human_genes_Kansas.html

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Um, what does the human digestive system do to ingested foodstuffs, that have been cooked (thereby also chnaging the foodstuff from the raw state to begin with)?

 

Any answer?

 

Years and years ago, I used to exhibit a mild allergic reaction to uncooked green beans for instance, and also to watermelon (lost my voice with WM!)

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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not sure what point you're trying to make, or even if you are specifically asking me?

but grats on scoring a couple upvotes, I know that's rare for you here.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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So, no real answer is forthcoming?

 

I was rather looking forward to something pertinent, this is a subject that might should not be taken so lightly, but, should be addressed not from a standpoint of hyperbole, but rather good science.

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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So take away farmland from other people?  I guess better us than some large coporation or pension funds.

 

Do you produce food and sell it locally there or do you ship it all the way back home?  Who produces the food?  I think you forgot the part about having stable workforce that will work cheap on the land and know what they're doing.

 

 

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment escargot
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I lived and worked in Georgia for nearly a year (last year).  There is certainly some corruption, but it's not the lawless mob state that it was ten or fifteen years ago.  All the people I met were really friendly and quite pro-American.  I worked for the government, and I got paid on time every month and never had a single problem with anything.  It really is an up and coming place with a lot of potential, they are dying to attract foreign business and investment, and they are making a big effort in the public school system to teach the youngsters English.

I'm planning to go back in January...indefinitely. 

The only problem with Georgia is that it's a very, very socially conservative country.  I don't think I met more than a handful of women over the age of 17 that weren't married with kids.  Definitely not the place to go if you're looking to get laid.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Mine Is Bigger
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Thank you for sharing your first-hand experience.

On a lighter note, are you saying you would rather live there and not get laid than stay in your home country (and get laid, presumably)?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:50 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Not in North America and not in Europe.  Asia is the population boom place on the planet, followed by Africa and Central/South America.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:52 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Why is it so hard for people to understand Inflation?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Rudini
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1. Replace 1/3 of shade trees with fruit trees

2. Allow people to farm: thousands of acers are fallow in PA, NY, and New England

3. Allow people to raise chickens, rabbits, goats, sheep on their property

 

Has anyone driven through West Virginia? Hardly anyone raises chickens or sheep yet the land is perfect for that. Even hogs would thrive there and many other places. Do you know you can buy a 100 acre farm in NY state for a song & a dance?

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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1. Replace 1/3 of shade trees with fruit trees

 

Are you serious?

 

Do you know what the sidewalks would look like? I had Persimmons covering mine til the drought took mine out last year ...

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Yea if you are too lazy to get off your ass and away from your TV to pick the fruit, it probably looked like shit and smelled like a German piss-o-ria during a Kiliani Fest.

"Do you know what the sidewalks would look like? I had Persimmons covering mine til the drought took mine out last year ..."

I would call it testament to your neighbours about the kind of person who lives next door.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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EvlTheCat - King of impractical ideas.

 

Fruit trees in the city just don't cut it.

 

Hell, fruit trees in an orchard litter the ground with dropped fruit too! But, being entirely a city-dwelling boy, you've probably never seen this ... so I understand your ignorance on the subject ...



Sat, 11/17/2012 - 03:02 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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And as a country boy, I'll bet you've never been so broke and hungry you thought about sneaking into an orchard just to steal the dropped fruit you KNOW is just going to go to waste, anyway.

I live in a city with orchards, and I'm damned near ready to try and contact the farmers to try and get the churches out to glean the fields. Donations are down, and demand and cost are both way up at food banks, and shelters.

Maybe, if there is no cost for the farmers, and with free labor from the churches and non-profits, more poor people could eat fruit instead of twinkies?

If a poor person was walking down the street in the city, and there was food literally growing on the trees, and they knew it was okay, do you really think they wouldn't take it?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:06 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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BooMushroom:

 

And as a country boy, I'll bet you've never been so broke and hungry ... "

 

A rash assuption that does not serve you well; what makes you think I was 'country'? Where do you find the source for that? I've issued no bio.

 

It still stands that replacing shade trees over parking lots, sidewalks and other areas seeing human traffic are bad choices for replacing with fruit-trees.

 

I'm thinking you city-dwellers STILL don't get that!   (Now you're going to assume AGAIN that I live in the country ...)

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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It is sad to see produce go to waste.  When we lived up north we had our local Junior Achievement kids ask a farmer if they could pick apples for the foodshelves.  Those kids picked and picked (ours was there for 10+ hours) and they were happy to do the job.  We love our farmers.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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Not my idea, number one.  Number two, glad you did not deny you were just to lazy to get off your ass and pick the fruit.  You are a poor sparing partner troll.  I have had better arguements with AnAnonoymous.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Giving only as good as I've 'gotten'; suggest problem lies with your receiver, or maybe your 'software' (btw the ears.)

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 02:48 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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So what you're saying is you had a free year's supply of persimmons, but you are too lazy to put them up or sell them, and so they just made a mess on your property instead?

Couldn't even be bothered to take them to your local church, shelter, or foodbank?

Hell, put them on Craigslist or Freecycle, and people will come and pick them for you!

You could've bartered them with your neighbors with other fruits or nuts, too. But know, the goose that laid the golden egg made too much noise, so you let him die.

Congrats, asshole. First world problems.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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" So what you're saying is you had a free year's supply of persimmons, ... "

 

You would be free to make use of them, but I think you're as "Lazy" (#1) as I am (all hat and no cattle) and #2, maybe your time is worth so little that persimmon picking is within your pay grade?

 

Not mine, not yet anyway ...

 


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 07:36 | Link to Comment css1971
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The rats will clear all that up for you.

 

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