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Israel Releases Another Gaza Pinpoint Strike Video, Anonymous Retaliates By Taking Down IDF Blog

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In what is becoming an increasingly more confusing conflict - is it truly an ideological war, or merely an extended attempt to generate empathy via social networking, together with a full-blown conflict on twitter - Israel continued its pinpoint strikes in Gaza overnight, taking out the house of a high-ranking Hamas operative, together with the release of commemorative video showing the explosion moments after the event. The clip is below. What is more curious is that the global hacker group Anonymous has already picked its side, and yesterday launched a massive attack named #OpIsrael, which has so far hacked 700 Israeli websites. From RT: "The hackers reportedly took down websites ranging from high-profile governmental structures such as the Foreign Ministry to local tourism companies’ pages. The biggest attack as of now has been the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s international development program, titled Mashav. Anonymous announced on Twitter they’ve hacked into the program’s database, with the website remaining inaccessible at the moment." And most notably, Anonymous also took down the primary nexus used by Israel's to boast about its military exploits: the blog of the Israel Defense Forces, which has been down for half a day now.

While Israel has demonstrated superiority in sheer physical military strength, the reality, as the StuxNet stories over the past 2 years have shown, that the real war will be fought on line and in various mainframes. The problem is that when dealing with a massive decentralized, cloud of hacker attacks originating from everywhere in the globe, just whom will Israel retaliate against in this 21st century equivalent of guerrilla warfare?

The latest explosion:

IDF's blog as of right now:

 

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Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:05 | 2991606 Atomizer
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JEWLANDERS KILL ARABSTINIANS

 

Don't shoot the messenger.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:13 | 2991630 kaiserhoff
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Ship me somewheres east of Suez

where the best is like the worst.

Where there aren't no ten commandments,

and a man can raise a thirst.

                                     Kipling

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:20 | 2991641 Oh regional Indian
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:29 | 2991664 true brain
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I wonder who the Anonymous members are. There must be some Jews or at least American Jews among them and yet they go against IDF. very confusing. any thoughts anyone.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:34 | 2991675 A Lunatic
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Anonymous is a CIA PSYOP, otherwise there would be some real and lasting damage to important, if not critical and necessary, infrastructure around the globe.........

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:44 | 2991697 centerline
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Hate to say it.  But, I think you could be right.  Maybe not a psyop, but a good cover at least.  Plus, this cyberwarfare thing is really reaching some incredible new levels of complexity.  Stuxnet was a good example... and that is what we know about.  What we don't know about could be even more scary.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:54 | 2991719 A Lunatic
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They have only begun to sow the seeds of anonymous in the fertile minds of the largely idiotic and gullible masses. In the end they will be the scapegoat for everything from voting machines being hacked to grid failure. A new bogeyman to terrorize the citizenry. We will beg for protection, we will lose the internet as we know it. Watch and see.......

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:55 | 2991872 true brain
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Lunatic; i think you're right on. It's becoming very clear that human beings will not survive their own technology. Party on while you still can.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:48 | 2992086 mjcOH1
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"While Israel has demonstrated superiority in sheer physical military strength, the reality, as the StuxNet stories over the past 2 years have shown, that the real war will be fought on line and in various mainframes. "

StuxNet is NOT the real war, any more than diplomatic protests, seized bank accounts, or a dictated story to someone's pet journalist al Al Jazerra or the NYT. 

When the real war is fought, the debate of StuxNet's effectiveness becomes moot because the evidence is buried in collapsed galleries under a couple of hundred thousand tons of loose sand.   The real war is hard to mistake and isn't being fought on the interwebs.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:20 | 2993159 CunnyFunt
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:02 | 2992541 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Too late son. Obammy passed that shit by executive order October 20th under the goddamned radar. Because the last time it was actually voted on as CISPA and SOPA the masses actually woke up for a collective moment as not to lose their interweb. First I'd read of it was yesterday thanks to russia today.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 03:57 | 2995305 Lore
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Lunatic: "They have only begun to sow the seeds of anonymous in the fertile minds of the largely idiotic and gullible masses....We will beg for protection, we will lose the internet as we know it. Watch and see..."

That is perceptive. Anonymous is whatever someone says it is, leaving them vulnerable to manipulation, just like past resistance / dissident groups. Lacking more information about their purpose and rules, others are liable to ascribe any action to them and exploit their perceived vigilantism to justify policies that may have nothing to do with their real goals.  They can be co-opted and used, in other words.  So if they are a genuine third party, 'grass-roots' or otherwise, and not posers (e.g., 'astroturf'), they need to distinguish themselves in some way from sanctioned players and copycats. Hacking Stratfor got people's attention, but I for one have not heard why that was a priority. Maybe it was just a personal vendetta and nothing more. It is interesting, as it brings to mind recent depictions of hackers in Hollywood.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:59 | 2991732 francis_sawyer
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Awww... You mean it's NOT "Zero Cool" & "Acid Burn" hacking the planet from their 486 processor, 28.8k modem connections from public payphones using Doublemint gum wrappers?...

:-(

You just ruined my weekend...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:03 | 2991746 Stares straight...
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Ahhh...  Hard[W]ar reference!  Like it!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:59 | 2991880 eatthebanksters
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 Wasn't Angelina Jolie like 16 when she made that movie and wasn't her co-star her first husband? 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:42 | 2991806 CPL
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If you listen.  The Anons are brave and very scared 16-25 year old kids.  The drone phones a cell phone and the missle locks onto the signal.

 

This is all that is left of the 17 kids that started.  The rest were killed by mistakenly answering their cell phone.  Teleport4 we are not sure if he's alive.  He's a 14 year old boy with a cell phone and we're busy trying to keep him alive.

 

When it's your kids and grand kids next, you'll appreciate the effort extended by the Anons.

 

--STREAMS--
BasedHarry 
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/operation-pillar-of-cloud
RT
http://rt.com/on-air/gaza-violence-hamas-israel/
OccupiedAir
http://www.ustream.tv/occupiedair
Reuters
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Conflict_on_the_Gaza_Strip

--INACTIVE STREAMS--
Teleport4
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/teleport4

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:54 | 2991976 CPL
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Someone doesn't like that idea out there...getting junked for posting live streams.

 

Cell phones being used as a the targeting systems.  Just in case anybody doesn't understand what GPS in a phone can also be used for.  It can help you find a mall or it can be used as a target.  So if the shit hits the fan, get rid of your cell phones and don't stand next to someone that won't give theirs up.

 

That's what has been learned about the drone systems.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:42 | 2992076 fuu
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Hackers gonna hack, haters gonna hate. Nevermind the riff-raff. Thanks for the links.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:04 | 2992116 CPL
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The MSM is as usually amazingly useless and full to the brim of cowards.

 

Only one left now is Harry.  Rest are dead.  The RT ones are up and down.  AP disconnected after being shelled.  Their camera man is confirmed dead.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:08 | 2992124 fuu
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Harry's gone.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:14 | 2992138 CPL
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shit...

 

Now comes escalation.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:33 | 2992159 fuu
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Back now, might have been on my end.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:32 | 2992059 Drachma
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What do 16-25 year old 'kids' know about the world? What wisdom have they gleaned from their short lives that could possibly give them the upper hand against generations of master-planners in the art of population control and dominance? Let us for a moment accept your inferred claim that Anon is not an agency creation playing its role in a game of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Do you really think that these 'kids' have the solution to our problems. They are only using the tools given to them inside their shell, by their unknown controllers, the same shell crafted for all. Have they attempted to think out of the box, or have they been so dazzled by it's contents, that the only solution seems to be to fight an electronic war that they can never win?

I humbly suggest that everyone take a moment to think outside the box. Instead of engaging in electronic warfare, people could realize that maybe we should just dis-engage from the enemy's systems, those same systems that enslave us all. But that is where the planners have us by the balls. They are masters of human psychology. We have come to depend on the systems that enslave us, and our psyches have been incrementally altered to accept this fate. Who amongst us, at this point along the way, would be willing to break out of the shell, throw away all the little goodies given to us in that shell, turn back to community and a simple life, and effectively render these enslavement systems impotent?

In conclusion, 16-25 year old 'hackers' will not save us from ourselves. They are just part of the theater, whether they know it or not, that has been created especially for you and me. The final act will be spectacular.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:13 | 2992131 CPL
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The options for many of these kids in limited so it's go big or go home.  

These aren't "hackers" they are kids that don't know what the rules are and have no idea that the rules are bent when they apply their will to technology.  It would be asking a 16 year old in the 1950's how he managed to get another 80 HP out of an engine with duct tape, heating ducts and a blow torch.  To a mechanic, the rules and strictures of what they are taught force them into a linear line of thinking.  They could not begin to understand what goes though a garage engine hackers mind, never the less, 80 HP is there.  It can be measured and more than likely replicated.

 

To the 16 year old.  They only want what they have to go faster and have nothing but time on their hands.  They see a locked box of information, they zerg the shit out of something until the lock breaks.  

 

It is power of youth or have you become too old to remember your youth and the invention of it?

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:25 | 2992149 Drachma
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Granted the unadulterated imagination and creativity of youth is a great thing, don't get me wrong. It is the seat of genius. But do they understand the nuances and intricacies of what they engage in, beyond the mechanics and the excitement their technological prowess affords them? The locked box of information has been put there for them to waste that youthful energy and misdirect it. I think you fail to see my point. But let's just agree to disagree. Don't take what I say personally if you happen to be part of the said demographic.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:19 | 2992567 CPL
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No I am a bit older than that.  And of course it's been built to be a leash and collar.  

I've never had a dog though that didn't know how to slip the leash, either by accident or by purpose.  Success is a state, the process is irrelevant.  The fact it happens is the odds involved.  As far as if they are searching on purpose?  The information flow on where, how and what is strange.  It's based on a swarm.  Like bees.

 

One bee finds it's flower field goes back and dances the flower dance to the other bees.  Except make 10,000,000 bees following a completely different philosophy, religion, speaking every language of every age and sex.  The glue that binds that is technology.  Near instant translation software, pseudonyms, limitless information at a couple of strokes, the bilocation/multilocation experience.  most were very happily doing their thing, then governments started to close down their storage sites.  Removing their fun.  Gave them nothing to do.

 

What do kids do when they are teenagers and nothing to do?  So here we are.  Just like the 1950's greaser with nothing to do.  Rebel with a cause.  In this case, for some of them the cause is survival and technology is the only tool they know how to use.  They know the business end of technology.  They are the student that has surpassed the teacher.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:30 | 2993492 Drachma
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You say, "Success is a state, the process is irrelevant". This speaks of the age old dilemma articulated by Plato through the words of Socrates, and I paraphrase, "Being be not becoming. Which is the more the difficult?" But you see, they are both relevant in my mind. It seems we have differing perspectives on history and information flow. While it may seem strange to some, there are no contradictions for others. While the flow may be chaotic and unpredictable on the ground level, the larger-scale flow feeding that sub-system is one way and controlled, from the top. Any free thinking glitches at the substructure level are quickly smeared out of existence. Interesting how you use the bee analogy. Once again Plato had something to say of the hive, that was not particularly favourable to the 'teenage' cohort; that the perfectly ruled society would be structured as the hive. And let those busy-bodies buzz around with the denatured honey we feed them. To bee or not to bee? That is the question apparently.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:33 | 2992160 IndicaTive
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Back in the early 80's I knew a couple of 16 year-olds who could get a moped to do 50+ mph.... Anyway, thanks for the links CPL.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:29 | 2991815 CPL
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Full tally and maneveurs so far with counts.

 

--TLDR-
- 75,000 reserves called up, 30,000 Israeli troops mobilized
- 830 targets hit in Gaza, Hamas Ministry of Interior HQ destroyed
- 41 Palestinians dead 400 wounded, 3 dead Israeli citizens confirmed
- 400 rockets have been fired from Gaza (230 intercepted by Iron Dome)
- Muslim Brotherhood mobilizes protests against Israel in Cairo
- Open calls by muslim militants for Jihad against Israel
- Al Qassam began operation #ShaleStones
- Harry is confirmed to be immortal and demonic
- No Gaza SURPRISE (claimed to be a SURPRISE at 6pm nothing happened)
- Hamas rejects Egyptian ceasefire proposal; Iron Dome intercepts missile heading to Tel Aviv
- Possible alien intervention? (lol)
http://pastebin.com/kPTBHFG9

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:55 | 2991870 I am more equal...
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As we chant at our football games...

Hit'em again

Hit'em again

Harder!

Harder!

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight, provoke with a poke, then run to the press and say they started it.  The press with their public school education won't have the ability to discover the 'truth.'

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:36 | 2991940 Pool Shark
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Indeed.

I guess if Mexico Lobbed a bunch of rockets into downtown San Diego, the US would be obliged to just sit on its hands?

 

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:00 | 2991984 roadhazard
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Pedro (the rocket) Jimenez just lobbed himself over the border. America retaliates with the Dream Act.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:13 | 2992136 dickizinya
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you are correct, sir! 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:38 | 2992172 downwiththebanks
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And what ought Mexico do if, prior to said attacks, Uncle Sam launched drone strikes against government officials on one of the Obamanations Terroist Tuesday assassinations by lottery?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 17:18 | 2992243 Graph
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Too much chlorine in your brain sharky?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:18 | 2993313 Nikao7
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Indeed.

I guess if Mexico Lobbed a bunch of rockets into downtown San Diego, the US would be obliged to just sit on its hands?

 

Does anyone think it's beyond Mossad to orchestrate rocket attacks from Gaza???  

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:35 | 2992166 downwiththebanks
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You, sir, are a crackpot.  Again with the "Palestinians started it" canard.  This is factually untrue, which hardly stops you from repeating it.  Because you're in desperate defense of Apartheid, by any means necessary.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:39 | 2992504 I am more equal...
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You are a public educated puppet whose knowledge of facts extends to the limits of Newsweek and Huffington Post.  Thankfully they have lots of glossy pictures to keep your attention. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:27 | 2992585 rich_wicks
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You can insult him, but he's right.

How did the PALESTINIANS start this?

How were they responsible from brining in hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants from Russia and Europe?  Do tell us all.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:47 | 2992629 I am more equal...
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what people group predates them?

The Temple Mount should be sufficient evidence. King Solomon?

If you need more, I'll gladly name books, but beware, they have few pictures and maybe rare in your case.  Barbizon College's library only subscribes to Glamor, et al. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:11 | 2992744 downwiththebanks
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Don't spout that hocus-pocus stupidity.

Apartheid Israel exists not because of some invisible man in the sky but for 2 reasons:   the midwifery of the UN in 1947 sanctioning their theft and the welfare checks they receive from Uncle Sam, year after year, to slaughter babies and grandmothers who aren't White European colonists.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:13 | 2992852 rich_wicks
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what people group predates them?

The Cannanites do.  Oh wait, they are extinct.

What's your point?  You think because there was a group of savages 5000 years ago, they get special privliedges?  The Hindu religion is just as old.  Should they get special privileges too?

The Israelis are a group of insane, racist, savages today.  That won't last forever, no matter how racist or how delusional they are.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:36 | 2992791 Andy Lewis
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Bull.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 18:29 | 2992361 dark pools of soros
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You clowns said the same thing about LulzSec

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:50 | 2993127 awakening
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Originally LulzSec were a free flowing group of hacktivists before they got infiltrated by the FBI. Post infiltration the group was used for other purposes to keep them together long enough for doxing other members.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/03/all-the-latest-on-the-unmaski...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:40 | 2993775 dark pools of soros
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yes and the FBI is way different than the CIA - they hate each other (ie: Bengahzi clusterfuck, etc)

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:36 | 2991678 nodhannum
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Red Diaper Babies!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:31 | 2991821 ebworthen
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Humanity is on the precipice of extinction, or it's Aliens.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:09 | 2992446 goat
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Anonymous is so decentralized that it could be a "CIA psy-op" and a legitimate freedom-oriented hacker group at the same time.

 

Also, plenty of Jews, in and out of Israel, dont support the genocide of the Israeli government

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:29 | 2993000 Half_A_Billion_...
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also Russians, Chinese & Indians know how party with a system

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:15 | 2992559 rich_wicks
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If you were German in 1940 not living in Germany which side would you have picked in hiindsight?

If you were a white anglo saxxon American in 1955 would you have rather aligned yourself with the KKK, or Martin Lurther King?

If you were a white South African in 1980 living outside of the country, would you have rather aligned yourself against or with the Apartheid government?

There's nothing confusing about this at all.  Israel is a group of Jewish supremacist, racists, bigots, who have been at war for their entire history.  You don't have to be some super moral person of integrity to align yourself against it, that doesn't mean you have to align yourself up with the despots that the US bribes to keep their population in check.

You just have to see which way the wind is blowing, and this isn't going to last forever.  Israel will inevitably collapse.  The United States won't be able to keep them alive forever, no matter what the stupid politicians of this coutnry want.  We'll just run out of money.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 18:10 | 2992330 fuu
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Have change ready!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:37 | 2991682 gould's fisker
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WHY isn't FKN News on cable?--its more accurate (and hilarious) that anything else on the tube.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:32 | 2991823 JustObserving
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The same reason that Max Keiser, the most watched broadcaster on the planet, is not on American cable.  You do not want to confuse the sheeple with the truth.  

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:50 | 2991854 goldfish1
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You do not want to confuse the sheeple with the truth.


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:00 | 2991736 Silver Bug
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This is not good for anyone.

 

http://ericsprott.blogspot.ca/

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:07 | 2991611 Everybodys All ...
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People are taking sides. Wonder what side Obama takes? Have not heard much other than Israel has a right to defend itself.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:31 | 2991670 true brain
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Netanyahu was campaigning for Romney. It's payback time.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:00 | 2991737 francis_sawyer
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Do you really, REALLY, give a FF about what Obama thinks about anything?... He's married to a wookiee... The plot ends there...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:59 | 2991879 true brain
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I agree. she's the ugliest first lady to have ever walked the hall of the white house. that woman is just bug ugly and the presstitude keeps saying she is so pretty and classy. Yuck.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:04 | 2991884 eatthebanksters
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How Barry handles this situation could sink or swim his 2nd term...only time will tell...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:35 | 2992490 mvsjcl
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Barbara Bush. Scary.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:07 | 2992004 roadhazard
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too bad the Repubicans didn't have a candidate that could beat a TelePrompTer reading, dope smoking, secret Muslim terrorist with no birth certificate.

Now I have to listen to sour grapes for four years.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:10 | 2991616 nah
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israel is ready to go to war with egypt

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:10 | 2991617 Inthemix96
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Nice one anonymous.

Pity you couldnt take out netheyahoo at the same time.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:03 | 2991744 francis_sawyer
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I kno right?

This fucking 'Anonymous' reminds me of all the Benjamin Fulford & Drake bullshit that breathlessly boast that ANY DAY, ANY DAY NOW, the whole applecart is gonna get turned over... It's a fucking bad B- movie...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:10 | 2991618 monkeyboy
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Good things those Israeli's have no idea on how to track down and exterminate those Anonymous kids. They sure could be in a lot of trouble if they did.

No good, meddling Anonymous messing with the Jews.

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:17 | 2991635 Cortez the Killer
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ha ha

anonymous thinks they are immune from reprisals

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:54 | 2992199 Dave Thomas
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No shit, it's one thing to be on the FBI's shitlist, I mean they might send you a shirtless picture. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the Mossad's shitlist. Ask Gerald Bull how that turned out.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:45 | 2991700 monkeyboy
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As an aside -

Got to admit things are starting to look & get nutty...at a crazy rate of knots.

I wouldn't be surprised if something way outta left field happens/is announced - WWIII, Massive natural disaster, global plague, alien invasion, discovery of big foot, lizard reptialian overlords or something along these lines. MSM has always been shit, but the line between fiction/fact, real or otherwise, is so blurred I have a hard time discerning who's winning dancing with the stars, the war on drugs or dancing in the middle east?!?! It's just a big pile of propaganda, sensationalist, commercialised bullshit.

It's become a giant troll on humanity(of which the MSM has propagated against us for sometime). 

Or is this just a glitch in the matrix...or is Stuxnet having far greater reach and impact than first thought?

Inquiring minds...and snooki want to know?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:33 | 2992488 goat
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I, for one, welcome our reptilian overlords.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:11 | 2991621 ExpendableOne
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No one should take sides.  Stand back and let them finish each other off.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:29 | 2991662 CrockettAlmanac.com
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By not taking sides are you suggesting that all Americans should demand an end to all foreign aid, including aid to Israel?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:51 | 2991714 LawsofPhysics
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Remind me exactly how a broke/bankrupt country can afford to provide aid again? 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:56 | 2991725 ItchyBeard
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Supply the hardware?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:54 | 2992202 mjcOH1
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"Remind me exactly how a broke/bankrupt country can afford to provide aid again? "

 

Through the magic of the printing press we are (for a while) able to spend $1.2T per year or so in excess of either our revenue or what anyone is willing to loan us.

Or to paraphrase the Kenyan, "Apres moi le deluge.".

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:37 | 2991830 U4 eee aaa
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When the Soviet Union went bankrupt it was said they continued to maintain their military at 80% effectiveness. Broke for civilians is not necessarily broke for the government

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 20:27 | 2992584 Kiwi Pete
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It was said wrong:

 http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2007/01/09/tuesday_map_russian_naval...

 

"This week's "map" is actually one of an amazing collection of satellite images of rusting Russian ships, taken via Google Earth by the good folks at EnglishRussia.com. The above are abandoned naval vessels, probably cruisers of some kind. According to GlobalSecurity.org, the once-proud Russian Navy was down to some 300 ships in 2003—and that may be a generous estimate."

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:24 | 2993196 TheObsoleteMan
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The reason the Russian Navy has reduced it's surface fleet, is because they have correctly identified surface ships as obsolete in 21st century naval warfare. They have shifted their emphasis on subs, and rightly so. The US Navy is still in the 20th century, building multi billion dollar aircraft carriers, which are nothing more than large, can't miss targets for a Russian torpedo and missile barrage. The abandoned ships are mostly commercial vessels, mixed with several 1960s-70s obsolete Russian Navy ships. Russia still has a vibrant manufacturing base, and a tool and die sector. The USA's are a shadow of it's former self, and could not meet war production quotas necessary for fighting a large, drawn out war. Just look at the supply and logistical problems we had in Iraq.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:29 | 2993351 RobbyV
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Kursk, ring any bells?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:10 | 2992013 roadhazard
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volume

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:11 | 2991623 RobbyV
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So what, a few blogs are offline for a few days. Whoopdie f*ck.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:17 | 2991634 AnAnonymous
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Do not be picky on the 'american' attempt to balance things out... The best shot by far...

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 17:12 | 2996901 akak
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Do not be picky on the Chinese Citizenism attempt to balance things out between European settlement of North America and the recent and ongoing Chinese rape of Tibet  ... the best roadside shit by far ...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:12 | 2991626 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Anonymous are terrists!

But Jews in Israel are allowed to commit genicide of Palistinians just like Nazis killed them, because they have been through so much painand strife.

Make sense?  Good.  Now relax and drink some more fluoride.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:14 | 2991632 AnAnonymous
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Just embrace 'americanism'. It will serve the same purpose so more effectively.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:24 | 2991649 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Look, you want to discuss the MIC?  Yes, it is international.  Yes, it is fronted by the US government, but right now it is Israel dropping large scale warfare.  When it is the US I will discuss it.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:50 | 2991707 centerline
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Piss off loser.  You contribute nothing around here.  You only spew forth the same ignorant intolerance that the TPTB are using to divide and conquer.  So, quietly put down the AK47 you have been stroking in implanted fantasy of killing Americans and tend to your goats.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:38 | 2992499 goat
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"In the course of my field research on the hallucinogenic mushrooms growing in Italy’s alpine meadows (Samorini 1993), I have personally observed on several occasions the greed with which goats will devour the species Psilocybe semilanceata. Once I was actually assaulted by a large billy-goat, which gave me a shove with his powerful horns while I was bent over to observe some funghetti. He was one of the more massive animals in a herd of about 50 that was rambling by me. Trusting in their harmlessness (though aware of their curiosity), I simply continued gathering the mushrooms. When I saw that several goats had stopped to watch me, I smiled at them ingenuously and showed them the bunch of mushrooms I had just harvested. The moment I did so, the buck leaped forward and shoved me sharply with his horns, causing me to roll several feet down the slope. During my tumble, the paper bag holding the mushrooms I had collected fell out of my hand. Surprised and frightened, I remained at a distance from the buck, who, with several other goats, threw himself on the sack and devoured its contents. When it was empty, the animals began rooting through the grass, gobbling up all the mushrooms I had not yet collected.

Ever since, when I have encountered a bunch of goats, I have followed the advice of a knowledgable goat-herd and brandished my stick on high; it is the only way to stop them. And when I stumble onto a psilocybin site already claimed by goats, I make no attempt to drive them off – partly out of respect for them, but partly from fear of being attacked by animals already under the influence of this powerful drug and therefore doubly recalcitrant and dangerous.

Once they locate a cluster of psilocybin mushrooms, goats will not eat grass or any other kind of fungus, feeding exclusively on their drug of choice. It seems clear that they know how to recognise it, and that they search it out for its psychoactive effects. Goats under its influence exhibit overstimulated behaviour, run about awkwardly, and shake their heads wildly back and forth.”

From: "Animals and Psychedelics: The Natural World and the Instinct to Alter Consciousness" by Giorgio Samorini (Park Street Press, Vermont, 2000).

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:35 | 2992494 goat
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mmmmmm flouride

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:16 | 2991631 JustObserving
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From the very beginning of the Israeli offensive, Anonymous has avidly supported the Palestinian people. On Wednesday, they said in a press statement, "For far too long, Anonymous has stood by with the rest of the world and watched in despair the barbaric, brutal and despicable treatment of the Palestinian people in the so called 'Occupied Territories' by the Israel Defense Force."

Anonymous members also contacted Israeli forces directly. A tweet from an Anonymous account to an IDF spokesperson warned, “It would be wise of you to expect us”, while a statement on their webpage said, “Stop bombing Gaza. Millions of Israelis and Palestinians are lying awake, exposed and terrified.”

http://rt.com/news/anonymous-gaza-israel-website-938/


It will not be long before Anonymous is declared a terrorist organization by the US.


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:41 | 2991688 mkhs
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Well it's about time.  I have been declared a terrorist suspect since NDAA.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:40 | 2991838 U4 eee aaa
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I think therefore I terror

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:19 | 2991637 RagnarDanneskjold
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Hacking defense websites during wartime. Whatever side you support, you just became a military target.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:17 | 2991790 nonclaim
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Or at least an intelligence target, for lack of having some.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:21 | 2991646 Arthur Borges
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Gee, gun camera is always so cool and the IDF has footage form 950 airstrikes in four days to choose from: http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/11/17/272882/israel-army-counts-over-...

For the deal on the ground though, Anne Paq's pix are worth googling.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:22 | 2991648 justsayin2u
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The Israelis should learn to just sit back and take it.  It's not like the Arabs or Persians, or Muslims would ever do them any harm.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:27 | 2991661 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Arabs or Persians, or Muslims should learn to just sit back and take it.  It's not like the Israelis would ever do them any harm.

Are we getting anywhere yet?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:44 | 2991693 justsayin2u
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It's a reasonable assumption that people will do whatever they can to avoid a conflict.  At some point things come unravled.  Let's just say we're all at fault.  If the conflicting parties just can't seem to stop assaulting each other than maybe it's best to just get out of the way and let 'em get it over with. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:10 | 2991768 francis_sawyer
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Idiot

You miss the entire point... Sure 'people' mostly don't want conflict... But the assholes who are at the center of all conflict have well refined methods of forcing people into conflict... They're total cowards because they do not participate in the conflict themselves... They simply pay people to start it & sit back & watch the fireworks... Then ~ collect up the pieces of the devastation...

When PEOPLE finally understand this (& throw off the perps), there might finally come some peace...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:45 | 2991841 ebworthen
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Welcome to humanity.

Welcom to the jungle.

At least hyenas and chimps all get in on the action.

Humanity wages war in suits and with images and propaganda and sends the young to die.

As time goes by it appears that no side is right or wrong, it only matters who survives.

"All is fair in love and war".

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:01 | 2991883 Pie rre
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Palestine has access to lots of gas offshore and I understand sitting on large reserves of water.

These countries are busy arranging contracts for pipelines and drilling from Russia, China, Egypt et all.  I'm afraid it's the banks again.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:45 | 2993422 justsayin2u
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If you are saying the Palestinians or the Israelis are fighting so either/both can profit from arms sales or natural resources via conquest - I kinda doubt that.  What are you saying?  The US/Russian/Euro arms merchants are behind this?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:17 | 2993480 Pie rre
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Greetings,

I recently read an article outling the latest minouverings of Middle East countries in securing their hold on mineral rights.  The following article is an oldie.  I'll try and find the more recent one.

Cheers

http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-an...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:18 | 2993485 Pie rre
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Greetings,

I recently read an article outling the latest minouverings of Middle East countries in securing their hold on mineral rights.  The following article is an oldie.  I'll try and find the more recent one.

Cheers

http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-an...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:39 | 2991836 ebworthen
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The Muslims are a peace loving people; who welcome Jews and Christians with open arms - as long as they convert and praise Allah - if not it's "Off with their heads!"

But yeah, nice warm tolerant people, who certainly would not send their children strapped with dynamite on suicide missions or use a knife to cut off the head of jounalists.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:42 | 2992178 downwiththebanks
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All the barbaric, sky-goblin worshiping hocus-pocus Abrahamic religions are the same:  "God loves us more than you:  fuck off and die."

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:25 | 2991654 q99x2
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Obama gave the DNS server shutdown to the banksters at the UN. So as a backup can't everyone start posting the server IP address and Apache come out with a way to reference specific addresses upon secondary site info like IP/website? That way without DNS we could still read ZH....Yaaaaa.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:46 | 2991701 Ballin D
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178.209.48.13

write it down somewhere.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:29 | 2991818 cxl9
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Or just memorize this one 3000053773

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:32 | 2991928 Things that go bump
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That one gave me an error message and asks if I want to go to 178.209.48.13

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:32 | 2991656 williambanzai7
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I was looking at that IDF Blog earlier. A marvel of social media propaganda. They even have a social media game where people compete and win medals by engaging in comments, likes etc. Rather obnoxious.

This coupled with a steady flow of IDF tweets is the latest form of crowd shaping.

It is all aimed at a combination of internal war mongering, intimidation of the enemy and soliciting international sympathy.

Google Israel IDF and look at all the pictures of hot Israeli reservists having a good time preparing for war.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:34 | 2991673 Gully Foyle
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williambanzai7
Dude, you just described ZH, REDDIT and every other site there is.
How many do you consider ideologically neutral?
How many are NOT designed to manipulate the Poor Deluded Dupes?

(Biden 2016 Checkmate)

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:42 | 2991685 williambanzai7
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That IDF Blog ups the game significantly. They are pumping shitloads of images, video feed, dispatches, warnings etc and it is flying all over the place.

I am not aware of anything comparable with regard to the Afghanistan war for example.

And it is being done in real time.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:46 | 2991702 Zer0head
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GOP made a similar comment about the Dems social media strategy

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:09 | 2991759 Sands8oo
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SPECIAL REQUEST WB7:

STARSHIP TROOPERS, OR THE WOMEN OF IDF?  PLEASE PLEASE DO THIS

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:10 | 2991869 nonclaim
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WB7, there are sites like that for anything you want. Here's one exerpt from a while ago for "climate change":

"You will receive one e-mail alert per day containing links to various climate change news articles. We need you to politely explain in the comments section why global warming is actually happening and why it's not a big conspiracy. You can contribute to as little or as many articles as you like, just dive in.[...]"

"One last suggestion from us - you can also consider going onto the offensive and explain that the real uncertainty about man-made climate change is not whether its happening but how fast its happening and that in fact there is increasing evidence that the mainstream science of the IPCC is actually underestimating the scale and imminence of the threat. See our Climate Emergency page and the links at the bottom."

"Remember: everyone makes a difference. And of course you can unsubscribe at any time."

[that page was taken down, after public shame]

Do you think the pro-palestine junk fest here is all spontaneous?

Same shit everywhere else for every topic everyday.

[and the -1s can keep on piling; it has no meaning coming from hired bots]

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:17 | 2993156 awakening
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It is called social engineering (astroturfing [in AnAnonymous speak: astroturding] ). The difference between a mad dash of comments and a dedicated website like the IDF one as described by W.Banzai (I have not visited the site myself and do not intend to) is too vast to simplify with a comparison in the manner which you attempt to achieve.

Finally, I'm not a hired bot (my rates are too high, and no one wants to trade in Au for my services =P ).

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:01 | 2991738 linrom
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ZH is a propaganda site.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:12 | 2991775 prains
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maybe for selling t-shirts but the rest is a pretty honest portrayal of current events (other than simon blacks blog)

so your trolling linrom should go back to huff

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:55 | 2991827 linrom
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ZH can't even report SNAP participation rates without making crude and banal comments abouts its participants--they call them animals and propose that the USDA should stop 'feeding the animals", afterall USDA urges Yellowstone visitors not to do so!  That's not spin?  It's disgusting? The site is run by bunch of sociopaths! In another brilliant article, ZH referred to older working Americans as "geriatric workfarce.' I suppose a workforce made up of 20 year-olds would be just 'peachy.'

Take a look at whose opinions about the state of global economy they present: hedge funds, money mangers, Peterson Institute, American Heritage Foundation.

Have they not heard of the Roosevelt Institute? Steve Keen, Michael Hudson etc.

 

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 15:26 | 2992051 Benjamin Glutton
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As it turns out J.P. Mugger is currently refusing to feed them as all EBT systems are apparently down according to the signs posted in Florida stores.

 

Bread and water bitchez!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:18 | 2993158 awakening
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Without the commentary there are legal remifications with regards to copyright law (much as I loathe its current state). Not legal advice but those comments may very well be enough for a defence with regards to fair use (satire and/or journalism).

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:15 | 2991781 Sands8oo
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Yes it is.  

It is unashamedly progpagandizing individual thought, liberty, and freedom.

If you dont believe in those things, you're free to go fuck yourself.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:24 | 2991801 CrockettAlmanac.com
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+1

 

Now that's the kind of brainwashing I can really appreciate. One more pass around the cerebellum, please.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:39 | 2991835 linrom
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Spin is not enlightenment, sociopath.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:43 | 2991844 linrom
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Freedom for whom? Rich White Tea Party Americans and their billionarie minders?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:13 | 2991891 Sands8oo
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Freedom from the Warren Buffets, George Bushes, Barack Obamas, and FOX Newses of the world.

If you haven't had a chance to open your eyes and look around this site, I'd suggest you do so and recognize ZH is an equal opportunity offender.

The fact that you're referencing "Rich White Tea Party Americans" is also telling me that you're way way too far gone down the kabuki theatre left-wing/ring-wing faux conflict to even comprehend what ZH is all about and I'm wasting my time explaining here.

Just remember, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Mitt Romney all kneel before the altar of Ben Bernanke together, holding hands to suck his genitals, regardless of who he shoots his splooge on...  Then they slap eachother on the back, jerk eachother off and throw a party to which neither you, nor I, are invited.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:08 | 2992126 CrockettAlmanac.com
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How about freedom to not visit a website which you consider to be a propagandistic brainwashing machine? Don't worry, though. You shall overcome.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:37 | 2991681 Zer0head
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Exactly, just like how Libya was freed from the Tyrany of what's his name by bombing the fuck out of it in the name of keeping it safe, social media was and is a huge part of it with a little bit of help from vitrually every main stream news organization in the west.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:42 | 2991690 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Democrats drop bombs of peace.  The clouds of their shells are pretty like Monet paintings.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:37 | 2991941 Things that go bump
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My dear sir, I applaud you.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:14 | 2991778 francis_sawyer
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Libya was 'freed' from the tyranny of it's gold ingots & oil reserves...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:44 | 2991694 monkeyboy
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Just waiting on the Girls of IDF swimsuit edition or the drones, bullets and lingerie special! Can't wait.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:24 | 2991805 francis_sawyer
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Not sure if Kelly Wells doubles as a special agent...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:55 | 2991723 Sands8oo
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"A marvel of social media propaganda"

 

Probably the most articulate description possible... And you're right WB7 - google image results for "Israeli IDF girls" yields a cornucopia of spank-bank material for any sexually repressed male war mongers out there...

Message seems to be: ...if have guns and shoot Arabs, will have sex with porn-star isreali IDF girls

 

You should have "Girls of the IDF" collage... some really great material here...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:00 | 2991727 alien-IQ
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It was not long ago (and still to this day) that the mere mention of "MEGAPHONE" was attacked as an "anti-semitic conspiracy theory".

yet...

http://www.thejidf.org/

 

and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:26 | 2991920 JR
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Thanks for the links. And a key phrase in defining Megaphone is that it is an “action alert” tool to provide online support for Israel.

Underlining all of the US-based websites of this type is the necessary American involvement in fighting Israel’s enemies. That involvement primarily means the use of middle class tax money to buy an arsenal of military weapons for Israel, to support Israel economically, and to threaten America’s politicians with widespread condemnation if they refuse to walk in lockstep with Israeli foreign policy.

Alien, it is particularly important for ZH people to understand how Megaphone works in light of the up-and-down arrows that viewers are exposed to even BEFORE they read a ZH post. Israeli interests, IOW, can be electronically registered on an extensive scale to prejudice all comments before they are read. Kind of makes the term “troll” obsolete.

Comment ratings should follow comments, IMHO, not precede them.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 19:30 | 2992485 CrockettAlmanac.com
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 And a key phrase in defining Megaphone is that it is an “action alert” tool to provide online support for Israel.

 

Bring 'em on, as a great American once said. The folks at ZH can refute any sort of propaganda point by point and when a legitimate point is on occasion raised, concede that point while putting it in perspective.

Shakespeare said "Truth will come to light; murder cannot be hid long."  How ya gonna beat Shakespeare?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:16 | 2991909 ExpendableOne
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In the past the IDF was always pulled up short of their goals by outside pressure.  This little trick with the blog might be an attempt to blunt that pressure.  The IDF also has a very capable cyber war capability.  I'm surprised that a group like Anonymous was able to take down any of their sites.  Unless of course, the takedow is part of the charade. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:25 | 2992152 CoolBeans
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It is their "identity".

 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:26 | 2991657 Neethgie
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On this subject i notice folk are either vehemently israel or vehemently palestine.. very few people take the center ground..

 

Basically i think of it as 2 alien races fighting in a diff galaxy..  i don't care about it

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 13:07 | 2991753 alien-IQ
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saying nothing is as political an act as saying something.

silence is tacit acceptance.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:29 | 2991665 Odin
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The "state" of Israel is and always has been a violent occupation. Palestinians, Israelis, Arabs, Jews, Military, Terrorist, etc., etc, etc..... None of these labels matter in the face of truth, and are in fact used to mold public opinion; religion and nationalistic fervor always have been used by the ruling elite to accomplish this. What matters is simple: who is the aggressor, and who is defending themselves... Although it may not always be that clear cut, history has shown that it almost always is...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:33 | 2991671 uncle reggie
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"Pinpoint" strikes you say. You're distributing that IDF BS?   

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 12:42 | 2991689 Winston Churchill
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Really.

As if a Hamas leader would hide ammo under his house.

If they were that dumb,no invasion would be required.

The Israeli's use assissination as their primary weapon.

Anyway,as I keep repeating ,the real prize is the headwaters of the river Jordan,

everything else is just a step towards that goal.

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