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Stratfor Update On Gaza, Israel, And Hezbollah

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Via Stratfor Global Intelligence,

Update On The Israel-Gaza Conflict

New intelligence indicates forces in Gaza may be manufacturing long-range rockets locally. If this is the case, a significant ground force offers the Israelis the best chance of finding and neutralizing the factories making these weapons. Meanwhile, Israel continues its airstrikes on Gaza, and Gaza continues its long-range rocket attacks on major Israeli population centers, though Israel claims its Iron Dome defense system has intercepted most of the rockets.




Israel appears to be positioning itself for a ground operation, perhaps as early as the night of Nov. 17. The Israeli Cabinet on Nov. 16 approved Defense Minister Ehud Barak's request to call up 75,000 reservists, significantly more than during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009. The Israeli army meanwhile has also sought to strengthen its presence on the borders with Gaza. Primary roads leading to Gaza and running parallel to Sinai have been declared closed military zones. Tanks, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled artillery and troops continue to stream to the border, and many units already appear to be in position.


During Operation Cast Lead, the Israelis transitioned to the ground phase around 8:00 p.m. on Jan. 3, 2009. Going in during dark hours allows the IDF to take advantage of its superior night-fighting equipment and training, including the use of night vision goggles and thermal optics.


The Israeli air force remained active throughout the night of Nov. 16-17, striking at targets across the Gaza Strip including key Hamas ministries, police stations and tunnels near the border crossing with Egypt. The IAF reportedly carried out strikes in Rafah's al-Sulan and al-Zahour neighborhoods, as well as east of the al-Maghazi refugee camp. According to IDF reports, the air force carried out a rapid and coordinated military strike, targeting approximately 70 underground medium-range rocket-launching sites in the less than an hour. The IDF claims direct hits were confirmed. The IAF will increasingly target Hamas militant defenses ahead of any ground invasion. Already the IAF has bombed militant defensive positions, particularly in the northern part of the Gaza Strip.


Meanwhile, Hamas and other militant factions in Gaza have been actively striking back at Israel. More than 80 rockets have been launched from Gaza over the past 24 hours. Of the rockets launched Nov. 17, approximately 57 landed in Israel. According to the IDF, a total of 640 rockets have been launched since Nov. 14, with 410 landing in Israel. A long-range rocket was fired from Gaza toward Tel Aviv at approximately 4:45 p.m. local time Nov. 17 but was successfully intercepted by the recently deployed Iron Dome anti-rocket defense system in the area. Hamas continues to target areas around Ashkelon, Ashdod and Beersheva, with the Iron Dome system intercepting five rockets over Ashkelon at 5:15 p.m. The majority of rockets launched from Gaza appear to be of shorter range than the Fajr-5. The IDF has stated its Iron Dome interceptors have so far successfully intercepted 90 percent of the rockets, though this may be an exaggeration.


One of the long-range rockets was intercepted by the newly installed Iron Dome battery in the Tel Aviv area. A Stratfor source has indicated that the rocket was not a Fajr-5, but was a locally manufactured long-range rocket in Hamas' arsenal.


If militants in Gaza are now able to locally manufacture their own long-range rockets that can target Tel Aviv and other major Israeli cities, it would be a worrisome development for Israel. Thus far, Israel has been able to focus its efforts on limiting the supply of these rockets to Gaza through interdiction efforts, such as the alleged Oct. 23 strike on the Yarmouk arms factory in Sudan. But if Palestinian militants can manufacture long-range rockets in Gaza, it will be much more difficult for Israel to restrict Gaza's inventory of these rockets. Beyond rocket launch sites and caches, which Israel is currently targeting with its airstrikes, it would need to target production sites and those who would be responsible for manufacturing the rockets.


Furthermore, it will be significantly harder for Israeli intelligence to form an accurate picture of the number of these rockets locally constructed in Gaza. We have already seen that Israeli intelligence likely did not anticipate how many long-range rockets had escaped its first wave of strikes, and the fact that Hamas may have been producing these weapons could explain Israel's lack of complete information.


Hamas recognizes that these long-range rocket attacks have only increased the likelihood and intensity of an Israeli ground incursion. A significant ground force offers the Israelis the best chance of finding and neutralizing the factories making these long-range rockets as well as the shorter-range Qassams. Hamas and the other militants therefore are actively preparing their defenses for the anticipated incursion and are likely laying improvised explosive devices, setting up road blocks and defensive emplacements and sorting out their ranks and tasks.


Hamas has already announced that its Al Murabiteen units, consisting of five brigades spread across Gaza, will be concentrated in the border region to limit Israeli penetration into the Gaza Strip. Learning from Hezbollah's example in 2006, special units of Hamas are relying heavily on tunnels to maintain communications. Should Israel be drawn into more densely populated areas of Gaza in pursuit of weapons storage and manufacturing facilities, Hamas has also reportedly prepared its suicide bombers, known as Istishadiyeen, to raise the cost for Israel in an urban battle.

Hezbollah Remains Wary amid Israeli Operations in Gaza

While Hamas is preparing for an Israeli ground assault into Gaza, Hezbollah's movements on Israel's northern frontier bear close watching. Iranian Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi on Nov. 17 called on the Muslim world to retaliate against Israeli actions in Gaza. Naturally, many are looking in the direction of Lebanon, where Hezbollah, Iran's most capable militant proxy, could open a second front against Israel.


Though Iran would welcome the opportunity to demonstrate the spectrum of its militant proxy strength, especially after supplying Hamas with the long-range Fajr-5 rockets that have been targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, Hezbollah will likely be extremely cautious in deciding whether to participate in this war.



The group's fate is linked to that of the embattled regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad; should Syria fracture along sectarian lines, Lebanon is likely to descend into civil war, and Hezbollah will have to conserve its strength and resources for a battle at home against its sectarian rivals. Indeed, Hezbollah has already been preparing for such a scenario by seizing control of villages along the Orontes River Basin in order to maintain connectivity with Syria's Alawite community.


At the same time, if Hamas is able to bog down Israeli ground forces by drawing them into a war of attrition in densely populated Gaza City, Hezbollah may see a political opportunity to burnish its credentials as the region's leading "resistance" movement. In this case, Hezbollah would likely monitor the situation until it could be assured that Israeli forces are sufficiently constrained on the Gaza front before it begins attacks on the northern front. Hezbollah is not looking for a major confrontation with Israel, and the tens of thousands of additional Israeli reservists called up compared to Operation Cast Lead suggest that Israel is already preparing for a two-front contingency. If Hezbollah does decide to participate in the war, it would be carefully timed to drive an already embattled Israel toward a cease-fire so that Hezbollah could claim a largely symbolic victory at relatively little cost.


With Hezbollah uncertain how the Israeli-Hamas battle will play out, the group appears to be taking a cautious approach. Stratfor has received indication that Hezbollah has prevented radical Palestinian groups in southern Lebanese refugee camps from firing rockets into northern Israel. In addition to an increase in the number of patrols by the Lebanese army and the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, Hezbollah has been deploying numerous operatives in plainclothes along the border to monitor the situation. Hezbollah has also installed cameras around the Ain al Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp near Sidon to monitor traffic from the camp to its outside environs. Whereas Hezbollah completely controls movement into and out of Palestinian refugee camps in the deep south, Ain al Hilweh lies completely within a Sunni neighborhood. For this reason, Hezbollah has rented a number of apartments around the camp, especially in al Ta'mir area, to keep a close watch there.


For now, Hezbollah appears intent on not allowing the battle in Gaza to spill into southern Lebanon. It remains to be seen whether that calculus would shift should Hamas succeed in wearing down Israeli ground forces.


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Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:33 | 2992786 Earl of Chiswick
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Didn't Israel hack Stratfor? or was it Egypt

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:42 | 2992802 SgtShaftoe
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That was lulzsec, completely different dimension of conflict...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:21 | 2992866 CPL
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Israeli Foreign Ministry: 'Ireland most hostile country in Europe',7340,L-4149059,00.html



Yes.  The fearsome Irish.  ...sigh...the media has gone batshit with this garbage.  Everyone is a racist today.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:31 | 2992881 chumbawamba
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Here it comes: The Israeli Mistake.

Wait for it...

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:54 | 2992930 john39
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:05 | 2992950 Michaelwiseguy
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I hope they can get some of these to Gaza in time.

20,000 Stinger Missiles Disappear in Libya

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:22 | 2993085 Matt
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Disappear? Didn't the US State Department buy them?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:41 | 2993108 mick68
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Stratfor's word is as worthless as the US govt. Just yesterday their middle east correspondant was on CNN telling the world that the war in Gaza had nothing whatsoever to do with the war in Syria.

When a patently obvious disinfo message like that is made, anything else they say is irrelevant.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:22 | 2993161 Michaelwiseguy
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Conspiracy Theory S03E02 Death Ray

Dr. Judy Wood - Where Did the Towers Go?

Organic matter reacts differently then in-organic matter when subject to a directed specific type of energy wave. Sort of like that which comes from a Star Trek type Phaser. Think Tesla influence.

There were TWO types of demolition techniques used on the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.

When I release specific info like this, I spread it far and wide to where they would have to shut down the entire Internet to get rid of it.

I was attacked with this type of weapon, but will not release the defense criteria mechanism, except to say it has to do with a type silicone covering.

Twenty-five years after Reagan's Star Wars speech

Reagan launches SDI

(Star Wars-Ronald Reagan ) Strategic Defense Initiative - SDI

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:12 | 2993186 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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I'm just going to come out with it: Fuck Israel.



But also, fuck everyone else. But mostly, Israel. That is all. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:16 | 2993256 bank guy in Brussels
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Even the inner core of neocon Jewish warmongers are starting to say Israel won't be here next decade:

« Reported to me, Henry Kissinger has stated — and I quote the statement word for word: "In 10 years, there will be no more Israel."

I repeat: "In 10 years, there will be no more Israel." ... »

« Sixteen US intelligence agencies with a combined budget over USD70 billion have issued an 82-page analysis titled 'Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.' ...

Interestingly, neither Henry Kissinger nor the authors of the US Intelligence Report give any sign that they are going to mourn the demise of Israel. This is remarkable, given that Kissinger is Jewish ... »

Cindy Adams in the New York Post, 17 Sep 2012

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:27 | 2993348 strannick
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Isreal will be here. Isreal doesnt ask anyone for the right to exist.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:13 | 2993388 centerline
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That's not the point.  Wanting and getting are 2 different things.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 19:19 | 2994585 strannick
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Tell that to Hank Kissenger

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:27 | 2994818 CompassionateFascist
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Jews will rule Palestine so long as they rule America. When the ZOG is broken, Israel will dry up and blow away. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:24 | 2993499 downwiththebanks
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Ha ha ha.  Except the UN.  The only reason the little White Colony exists at all comes though the sanctioned theft in 1947 and, since then, thanks to Uncle Sam's welfare checks.

Zionists really are a pathetic lot--existing all this time on handouts yet behaving like bullies.

Good thing the days of this blot on civilized humanity--now 60 years old--has begun winding itself down by its own rapacious criminality.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:00 | 2993572 OutLookingIn
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Israel will still be there in 10 years.

It will be a glass topped parking lot.

Defeat to the Jews means death, so they will unleash the dogs of total war and make the area uninhabitable to most life for thousands of years.

A highly radioactive wasteland. Just asying, the entire area is bat shit crazy. Has been for over a thousand years. Aint going to change.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:35 | 2993757 gnomon
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Yassir, if Israel is a "parking lot" so is Gaza, South Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and maybe Egypt.  Israel will not go quietly into that never-ending night.

Be careful what you wish for, JEW HATERS.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:50 | 2993803 Enslavethechild...
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We're Banker Hater's, and since Usurous banking started in Israel, we hate the usurous bankers that abide there. The good people of Israel have had two thousand years warning, if they are still there it's because they are suicidal.

The verdict just in, BOMB ISRAEL

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:53 | 2993553 Dingleberry
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Israel doesn't ask anyone for the right to exist.....only our $$$.  And defacto protection. 


Fixed it for ya.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:23 | 2993727 Vigilante
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Israel will be here...

...all the other feckers incl. Kissinger will go the way of the dodo.

Reports of Israel's death are vastly exaggerated.

Babylonians,Assyrians,Romans,nazis....the dustbin of history is full of Israel haters.


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:29 | 2993740 downwiththebanks
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Who's more important to you, tough guy:  the little invisible Sky-Goblin before whom you kneel or Uncle Sam, with those BIG welfare checks that enable your genocidal and racist attitude?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:29 | 2993628 Meremortal
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We have some human shield job openings available, if you want to make yourself useful.



Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:58 | 2993676 downwiththebanks
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i.e., Mossad's best buddies.

Just look at what they're doing on the Egyptian border:

According to an Ahram Online journalist currently at the crossing, however, Palestinian border authorities – citing security concerns – have said only one busload of activists (roughly 50 individuals) would be permitted to cross into the beleaguered coastal enclave.

Think about the impossible political problem to Apartheid Israel presented by a couple hundred thousand Egyptians marching into Gaza!  So what does Hamas do?

Stops it.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:44 | 2993941 Matt
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More hyperbole. There are, according to the article you provided, maybe 500 people tops trying to get into Gaza.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:26 | 2993261 Hedge Fund of One
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All this because of a Youtube video ... shame shame on that guy ... Hillary got him good though.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:26 | 2993733 Vigilante
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You mean the one where Morsi fixes his cojones?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:49 | 2993124 downwiththebanks
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Yep--and shipped them into Syria so that their alCIAda buddies can use them to destabilize Assad's gov't.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:11 | 2993184 Spirit Of Truth
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You all have everything backwards, but the Kremlin appreciates your gullibility:

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:30 | 2993191 Michaelwiseguy
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For the record SoT, the USA has over 5,000 nuclear missiles, many of them deployed worldwide on nuclear powered submarines, and we are willing to use them as previously demonstrated.

Maximum pain for everyone is prescribed, unless we can identify who our owners are first and bring them to justice.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:02 | 2993575 downwiththebanks
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This is quite funny. The Russian position on the alCIAda proxy war in Syria is for the world to adhere to international law.  People like you are cheering on alCIAda!

Meanwhile, Uncle Sam has airlifted thousands of alCIAda crazies out of Libya to the Iskanderun NATO base in Turkey, armed by the feudal despotisms in the Gulf.  There is abundant evidence of this, which you ignore.

You also quite clearly cannot read a map.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:15 | 2993340 Gully Foyle
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Syrian Rebels Appear to Capture Advanced MANPADS.

a quick summary of what seem to be new rebel acquisitions of anti-aircraft weapons. The photograph above shows a rebel with an apparently complete (tube, gripstock and battery) SA-16. Another photo shows another rebel with an apparently complete SA-24, one of the most advanced heat-seekers in the world. This might be the only time an SA-24 MANPADS has been photographed outside of state control.

Possible Score for Syrian Rebels: Pictures Show Advanced Missile Systems

Video Shows Captured SA-16 And SA-24 Surface To Air Missiles

(Biden 2016 Help me Rhonda)

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:45 | 2993659 Matt
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So, did they capture them in Syria, or Libya? Or were they conveniently delivered to Turkey near the Syrian border?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:00 | 2992939 caconhma
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Hezbollah will not get involved this time. Its main objective is to support Assad in Syria.

As for Israel, let us see if they are any good in a street-by-street fighting environment. After all, Bibi started all this shit to help him in the coming this January elections.

Israel has made a big mistake in Gaza. Egypt and other Arab American lackeys will get lots of problems from their own people supporting Israel.


If Israel has to call up its military reserve just to fight 1 million unarmed Palestinians, what fuck it can think it can do fighting 1 millions with 11 million reserves strong relatively well armed Iranian arm forces? Their goal is obvious: Let American assholes fight all over the Middle East.


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:29 | 2992999 Oh regional Indian
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Spot on... it will be an awesome sight to see the world's bullies with bloodid noses or worse. All over.

Fractally, this Israel/Gaza story is happening all over the world.


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:48 | 2993041 CunnyFunt
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The street-to-street fighting is inevitable. Netanyahu will justify it with the missile factory "intelligence". Every generator, lathe, welder, compressor, band saw, soldering iron, screwdriver and box cutter must be siezed as primary objectives.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:03 | 2993579 downwiththebanks
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Except that the little Land-Grabbing Zionist army cannot fight.  They can only kill grandmas from 25,000 feet.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:04 | 2993068 Zombie
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You are an idiot, sir. Israel will destroy Iran from the air.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:12 | 2993599 downwiththebanks
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Apartheid Israel wouldn't dare go after Iran.  The Iranian air defenses would have Uncle Sam's fighter jets--given over to Apartheid Israel because they're on the welfare--falling from the sky like rain.

That's why the Zionist leadership specializes in jaw-flapping.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:34 | 2993751 Vigilante
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You liberal bitches were issuing doomsday warnings before the first Gulf War...

...then in the second... on Iran...

..but you always end up with egg in the face

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:21 | 2993880 downwiththebanks
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What's funny to me is your assertion that, from the imperialist perspective, Iraq was a success when your little neocon dummies handed the country to Iran on a platter.  Moreover, you're fucked in Afghanistan.

And as for Apartheid Israel, the minute boots touched down over this past decade, they've soon been in retreat.  If they decide to enter Gaza again--which I doubt they have the guts to do--they'll fail to take Beit Lahiya, just like 2009.

And then they'll cry to the world for a cease-fire as they did in 2006.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:44 | 2993114 mick68
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To everyone who thinks Israel is at fault, as yourself this. If 600 missiles were lobbed over the US border in a fairly short time period, would the US be a "bully" to send some back?

Israel and the Palestinians both believe the land is theirs, so they constantly battle over it. Should Israel apologize because they're more powerful and able to remove Palestinians?

Someone has to win, and it's Israel. Only a socialist would disagree.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:02 | 2993143 Treason Season
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You are overlooking a simple glaring fact. The state of Israel has no right to exist where it it exists. Period. End of story. Don't buy the Rothscihld lie.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:59 | 2993179 putaipan
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it does when it does. whhhoooops- post rasool/meischak landing.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:16 | 2993188 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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"No right to exist." WHAT?! What about the holocaust?! Didn't you know, if shitty things happen to your people, you are entitled to have your friends (who happen to be world superpowers) take land from someone else and give it to you as a safe haven and as reparations for the harm done to your people. 

'What about the people who already lived there' you ask? Well, they're 'terrorists' so good riddance. 



Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:37 | 2993358 HeatMiser
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I'll make this simple for you to understand. It took 19 hundered and 40 years to make 14 million Jews. If half the population was removed did they have Helicopter Ben print more Jews beause they are 14-15 million now. That's why its called the Big Lie. And when Israel is no more they will move to the US and we will become the new Israel and Americans will become the new palastine bitches.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:00 | 2993450 Cosimo de Medici
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Well, you win the Daily Double.  You're a moron as well as a bigot. The world population in 1940 was 2.3 billion.  Today it is 7 billion, or more than a 200% increase since '40.  The Jewish population has only doubled over that period, after nearly half of them were wiped out in what your type likes to call the Big Lie.  Not Big Lie, but rather Big Mistake.  As the Scarecrow say, "if (you) only had a brain".


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:38 | 2993643 JR
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“In January 1933 there were some 523,000 Jews in Germany, representing less than 1 percent of the country's total population. The Jewish population was predominantly urban and approximately one-third of German Jews lived in Berlin. The initial response to the Nazi takeover was a substantial wave of emigration (37,000-38,000), much of it to neighboring European countries (France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Czechoslovakia, and Switzerland).” -- GERMAN JEWISH REFUGEES, 1933-1939 Copyright © United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C.

In his book Hitler’s Jewish Hatred, Cliché and Reality, author Ralf Georg Reuth recounts that Hitler blamed the Jews for both the collapse of the German economy and for the Russian revolution.

According to book reviews, “Drawing on numerous archives, Reuth paints the social backdrop during Adolf Hitler’s rise to power. ‘Almost half of all German private banks were Jewish owned,’ writes Reuth, “the stock exchange was dominated by Jewish stockbrokers, and almost half of the nation’s newspapers were Jewish run as were 80 per cent of chain stores.’”

Notwithstanding that many prominent Jewish bankers financed Hitler to power, including Bernard Baruch, it is said that to “Hitler and many others, it was left liberal politicians and supporters, (German Jewish bankers and their international Jewish network), of the Weimar Republic who ‘stabbed Germany in the back’ by signing the armistice on November 11, 1918.”

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:35 | 2993164 herewego...
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This was posted further up the thread - and and answers who is at fault clearly:


Edit: orginal post from john39

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 16:16 | 2994189 3laz3r
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You silly muppet...what has socialism got to do with it...Only a Nazi would agree with your statement...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:51 | 2993128 Solarman
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There is no need for Israel to go into Gaza City.  In ten minnutes Israel can cut Gaza into three sections through relatively sparse population zones.  Gaza City will be brought to its knees.  Israel knows most of the tunnel locations, and has technology to find the rest.

Stingers are useless above 10,000 feet.  Drones will do the heavy lifting at low altitude.  antotank weapons will be of limited value due to Isaels advances in protective anti missle defenses, and will blow up everything in their path to destroy the IEDs.  They can turn the streets to rubble and drive the tanks right over it.

I know everyone gets a hard on for the Palestinians on this blog for some strange reason.  But there was a King David before their was a Moon God worshipper.  

Hamas overplayed their hand once again, allow Israel to neutralize their southern flank, and turn their attention north to take out Hezbollah, before fucking with Iran.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:08 | 2993337 Acet
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Wasn't all that wanderful Israeli militiary technology also guarantee a great victory for Israel in Lebanon!?

Didn't work so well, now did it?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:07 | 2993581 downwiththebanks
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Nonsense.  Apartheid Israel's little army will be pulverized if they set foot into Gaza.   That's why they're begging the "international community" to convince the Palestinian resistance to stop being so mean.

Your hateful little Sky-Goblin cannot save the criminal Zionist state from suiciding itself.  

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:42 | 2993777 Vigilante
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3000 years bitches....

You can't stomach it...admit it..

Israel is stronger than ever and the moo-sleems are gonna get a beating.

Being ignorant of the Old Testament makes you talk crap..



Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:24 | 2993888 downwiththebanks
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White European Jews didn't invade Palestine until they had license to do so.  And when their welfare checks stop coming, the jig is up.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:20 | 2993220 Joe A
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Have you looked at the map of the middle east? Iran would have to go through Iraq and either Syria or Jordania, or both. They can either do that by installing favorable regimes there or by invading these countries. They don't have the means to do both. Or they could use missiles directed at Israel but that would finish them. Israel has proven in the past it can take on several adversaries at the same time. Israel has a technological advantage over these countries.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:25 | 2994806 Lore
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"Let American assholes fight all over the Middle East."

At least America still exports something.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:22 | 2992986 Spitzer
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what a surprise.. Somebody is warming up the ovens in the first comment

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:38 | 2993169 herewego...
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Yes. What Israel really needs is a final solution for this palestinian problem.

Oh, you didn't mean that...?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:28 | 2992998 realtick
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Nice reference

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:18 | 2993081 q99x2
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The language is experiencing technical difficulties that is all. It is rather a brain problem between thoughts and emotions. The emotions want to have fun and the brain gets all flustered and calls a time out and then the emotions start playing again.

I think the whole race issue stops once a big enough bomb goes off. That is usually how it works out. I have a lot more in common with animals than with people so I don't get it to begin with.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:15 | 2993395 centerline
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It's all not quite so real until someone gets poked in the eye.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:31 | 2993095 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Let me get this straight, isn't Gaza part of Israel? Then why is it an "invasion"? Seems to me "civil war" would be more apt. Like Syria.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:57 | 2993677 Matt
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They have a seperate, democratically elected government, so I would say no.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:35 | 2993016 meizu
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Johns Hopkins Study Confirms European Jews are Khazars

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:56 | 2993174 herewego...
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Bahai thought:
Jewish faith, evolves into Christian faith,
which evolves into Muslim faith,
which evolves into Bahai faith.

Neat worldview, but also highlights how many of those with a Jewish faith nowadays hold no lineage going back to that bit of land on the east of the Mediterranean Sea.

Simply put - all those who were Jews back then 'evolved' into Christians and Muslims.

Meanwhile, over in Europe, the Jews 'evolved' into bankers and money changers - a great job if you can get it. And if you have to convert to do so - no worries, convert.

This fighting over a bit of land on the edge of the med shows a singular lack of progress from apes. Unless it is a distraction to ensure war is continuous and profit from war is continuous. In which case it would show that TPTB regard the rest of us as being only slightly more useful to their lifestyles than apes.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:58 | 2993330 galis
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get this- israel hacked hamas radio ...

i hope you can read hebrew


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:38 | 2992793 Yen Cross
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  End this MADDNESS! 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:20 | 2992863 ACP
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No need to worry, you'll know the madness is done when you hear this:

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:38 | 2992795 Ben Dover
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For what it is worth, the above video claims that the munitions were not locally made but came from Syria.

The speaker is identified by Wikipedia ( as "Secretary General of the Lebanese political and paramilitary organization Hezbollah" While his claim could be disinformation, I share it for what it is worth.

Thanks for reporting on this, Tyler.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:48 | 2992810 RacerX
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Salame, salame, balonay

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:09 | 2993271 knukles
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The other guy has his hearing aide turned off so he compensated by turning his mouth up.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:24 | 2993260 bank guy in Brussels
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Disinfo is the whole purpose of the CIA - Mossad Wikimedia - Wikipedia

Jewish Jimmy Wales, criminal mafia porn meister in the 1990s, selected by CIA to pose as 'Wikipedia founder' because of his willingness to harm children and help murder any innocent people who are targets of US-Israel

Jimmy Wales is so high up with Mossad he goes to intimate birthday parties of the President of Israel Shimon Peres

Wikipedia provides full anonymity for all Mossad agents, CIA and NSA agents ...

90% of Wiki allowed to be 'neutral', even publishing stuff about past CIA crimes etc., so the world will get sucked into the lies planted in the other 10% against current targets of CIA or Mossad ... That is the Wikipedia 'trick'

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:37 | 2993523 Cosimo de Medici
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You just pull all this straight out of your ass, don't you?  Lots of free time as a banker in Belgium, I guess.  Is Dexia coming back?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:22 | 2993493 downwiththebanks
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This is indeed Nasrallah, the most schrewd politician and commander in the region, by far.

The man Apartheid Israel fears more than anyone else, since he speaks the truth.  Here he clearly and emphatically explains why alCIAda is trying to blow up Syria.  Meanwhile, he calls out the feudal monarchies servile to Uncle Sam in the region for their fecklessness.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:38 | 2992796 SgtShaftoe
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Is it just me, or does it seem that an Archduke was just killed???

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:40 | 2992798 LetThemEatRand
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By an Iranian, no doubt.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:48 | 2992811 SgtShaftoe
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It just seems that at this time, this situation could very easily spiral out of control into a regional conflict.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:58 | 2992831 A Lunatic
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For it to spiral out of control would be evidence that things are completely under control................

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:36 | 2992894 Jack Burton
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Not likely as Israel has way more military power than anyone else in the region. There really is no military to go to war with Israel. Hezbolla has the only credible force and they are all about defense of Southern Lebanon. Their only offensive punch is the rocket and missile inventory that they will unleash if they are attacked, but probably not in defense of Gaza, though there is always that possibility.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:07 | 2992959 caconhma
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:36 | 2993018 Matt
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What is the deal with Al-Qaeda in Syria? Are they enemies of Hezbollah due to different religious factions? Are they anti-Israel?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:15 | 2993478 downwiththebanks
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Apartheid Israel has been sort of quiet re: Syria, since their vocal support for alCIAda there only helps Assad.

There has been some unrest in Lebanon on the Syrian border--near Tripoli--with Hizbollah and the Lebanese army breaking up the arms-trafficing networks of the Said Hariri's sepoys, Gangea's Future Movement, and the rest of the 14 March Movement.  The FSA/alCIAda terrorists in Syria talk about Hizbollah as an enemy, but say nothing about Apartheid Israel killing babies.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:10 | 2993272 knukles
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Whooda thunk?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:40 | 2992797 Gashole
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Is web site traffic off?  I notice that Israel posts generate a disproportionate number of comments.  Trying to increase traffic and ad revenue?


I am done with this website.  We are all being played.


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:42 | 2992804 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture  There, you can have 100% reassurance of your worldview, 100% of the time.  Comforting for the narrow of mind.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:20 | 2993194 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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True, but nobody (NOBODY!) loves Israel more than the master charlatan , Glenn Beck. 

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:52 | 2992824 Conchy Joe
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interesting....  -__-


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:02 | 2992836 cbxer55
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Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!



Don't forget to write.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:22 | 2992867 goldfish1
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Then go to SFGate - pro Is all the time.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:01 | 2992889 awakening
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In case you didn't notice Israel and Palestine are kind of at each others throats atm, naturally such an event would have far reaching effects that may very well include the core reasons for the sites formation.

At least 4 of the 5 priority purposes for ZH are present in this issue, therefore it does have its place here. It just so happens however that there is increased interest in the matter (in my instance for a less biased source of information than I would otherwise receive in Australia) so naturally as a by-product ZH would see increased site traffic (not all traffic becomes a financial benefit either, thanks to AdBlock Plus in my case).

If the above post (more than you apparently deserve according to the other responses thus far) is not fitting enough an explanation on the matter than by all means leave, but do so in peace (unlike the 'nation state' the flag in your current avatar represents).

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:52 | 2992924 Schmuck Raker
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[edit: too late, cbx way ahead of me]

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:23 | 2992965 Michaelwiseguy
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Tactics like that don't make real Geo-political thinkers go away.

We think different. Sorry.

This was when Apple was good before they turned evil;

Think Different


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:18 | 2993273 knukles
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Is that like Google's "do no harm"?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:22 | 2993276 Henry Hub
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"We think different..."

We think Differently --- it's an adverb not an adjective.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:18 | 2993080 jackinrichmond
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..he'll be back.. using another screen name..

bye troll - see you soon

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:39 | 2993102 bunnyswanson
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There is an article regarding Pro-Israeli commentators/posters spreading propaganda throughout the internet and social media.  They are taking over threads, disrupting conversations and cheering for their team in such a fashion that it is overwhelming to the point of frustration for all of us. They work out of warehouses at times. 

It is propaganda -

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:00 | 2993304 Urban Redneck
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Propaganda via the internet and social media is hardly a proprietary tactic anymore.

To claim otherwise one would either have to be dumb as a brick, a reincarnation of Rip Van Winkle, or a propagandist themself.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:28 | 2993349 Vooter
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Why is it overwhelming? I think it's fun. Tormenting pro-Israeli posters is easy and hilarious--it's just like that website that torments the Nigerian 419 scammers (who I think are actually more than a few evolutionary levels above the pro-Israeli posters)...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:48 | 2993799 Vigilante
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Could you get me connected with this racket?

I am doing it for free now..I wouldn't mind some remuneration

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:27 | 2993893 downwiththebanks
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No you're not.  You're only illustrating the logical impotence of an argument predicated on 3000 year old fairy tales and an Invisible Sky Goblin who watches over everything you see and do, demanding genocide.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:44 | 2992805 h0oS
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I don't believe Israeli reporting of their casualties, I think they are far higher than the numbers indicated so far. Also very little information on injuries.

If BiBi is yahoo enough to commit troops to a land assault of Gaza I see him loosing the election on the grounds of a major military defeat.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:47 | 2992808 duncecap rack
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Not poker captain, chess

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:50 | 2992819 nmewn
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Sat, 11/17/2012 - 22:55 | 2992828 ShortTheUS
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I smell a false flag brewing...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:01 | 2992940 A Lunatic
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I thought that same thing once, under entirely different circumstances. Upon further reflection however, it turned out that I had simply shit my pants. Smells can be funny that way.........

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:32 | 2993012 ShortTheUS
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So it's not conceivable that if Hezbollah decides to get involved, Israel carpet bombs one of its own cities and blame it on an opportunistic Iran trying to open up a third front?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:47 | 2993038 A Lunatic
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Since the analysis of A pants shitting (a one time offense during a false false flag event) Lunatic is of minimal practical value, I refer you to none other than the (quite sane, and has never shit his pants) Jack Burton who has provided a noteworthy commentary on that exact issue about twelve or so posts down............

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:20 | 2993274 knukles
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I always figured the false flag analogy more like a fart with chunks.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:37 | 2993021 infinity8
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My best friend is a plumber (on paper and beyond). He only does new build for a long time but not always. Best line ever and why he's my best friend: "people get mad when they smell their own shit" - I shit you not.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:42 | 2993111 L0nG-DoNg-SiLv3R
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That was the first really good laugh I've had all day, and I've had a long, shitty day. Thanks!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:47 | 2993118 infinity8
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Sounds like a guy who works for a living. Cheers, mate !!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:29 | 2993281 Henry Hub
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The two cardinal rule for a plumber are: Remember shit flows down hill and keep you fingers out of your mouth.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:07 | 2992846 Yen Cross
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 let's per'forate "Iron Shield".   I have friends over there.  I'm Christian!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:20 | 2992864 Rock the Casbah
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Isn't firing missiles into population centers with absolutely no intent to strike a militarily significant target a crime against humanity?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:25 | 2992871 goldfish1
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thats anti-semitic


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:32 | 2992880 Jack Burton
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Everything is anti-semitic except "Go Israel, kick some rag head ass!"

Sometimes I feel left out being of Swedish ethnic heritage. Somebody must hate us too. Other than the Finns I mean!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:06 | 2992956's picture

I never cared for those rubbery little fish, if that helps.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:02 | 2993141 DaveyJones
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and that IKEA parking

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:11 | 2993155's picture

I like IKEA because it gives me a chance to exercise my right to assemble.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:28 | 2992876 SgtShaftoe
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Yes it is, unfortunately, neither side has taken the moral high ground in tactics, which is required for a lasting victory. Civilians and innocents will simply continue to be put through the grinder until someone has the fortitude to do what is right.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:10 | 2993074 tickhound
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Moral high ground in tactics??  WTF izzat?  And it's a requirement for lasting victory???  Fortitude to do "right?"

Oh man that place is fucked.




Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:23 | 2993277 knukles
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Sorta like the "End jusitifes the means" mode of thought.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:08 | 2993574 SgtShaftoe
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It's lessons learned and counterinsurgency fucking doctrine! Anyone who actually knew a damn about warfare would know that. Hence the Israeli IDF, no matter how effective their skill advanced weapons and tactics, their entire strategy is a vengefull, amateurish, leaderless bloodbath. Factions in Hamas which target civilians suffer the same lack of humanity.

If one side was able to decisively take the moral high ground, international support would start swaying. These conflicts are about perception

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:12 | 2993075 bunnyswanson
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The side with the nuclear arsenal...the side which maintains one of the largest military forces in the world, the side which is the 3rd largest arms dealer globally has a slight upper hand - wouldn't you agree?  The are in an "open air prison" with road blocks and a barrier wall in place.  The palestinians are fighting for their life.  Now, the water towers are being targeted. 

Israel is committing mass murder and the world is now awake to the callous minds ruling the state.  All for an election no less. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:08 | 2993470 downwiththebanks
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Nasrallah calls the Zionist Land-Grabbers "an army without soldiers".  Apartheid Israel has a big, bad army until they have to actually fight like soldiers rather than untouchable video-game players.

That's why they get their ass kicked whenever boots touch down.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:40 | 2992898's picture



Isn't firing missiles into population centers with absolutely no intent to strike a militarily significant target a crime against humanity?


Yes.  Isn't imprisoning 1.7 million people within a 141 square mile area with no connection to the outside world a crime against humanity? A blockade is an act of war.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:57 | 2993054 Matt
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To be fair, there wasn't nearly that many people when they got put there. The Trouble with Tribbles ...

If you look at population over time, it looks like the Israelis and Palestinians have been in a breeding race for the last ~70 years.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:05 | 2993071's picture

The Palestinians are winning.



Jewish population in Israel is declining Despite a million immigrants over the past two decades, the percentage of Jews in the Israeli population is declining.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:05 | 2993069 Spitzer
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So why doesn't the Arab world take them in then ?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:41 | 2993072's picture

Why doesn't Europe take you in? Then I can have your house.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:53 | 2993811 Vigilante
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...and Egypt is blockading from the south...

..but we never hear abt it..

I wonder why

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:40 | 2992901 nmewn
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"Isn't firing missiles into population centers with absolutely no intent to strike a militarily significant target a crime against humanity?"

Not if you believe a mass murderer is your messiah.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:47 | 2992914's picture

So those were Muslim crews in the British and American aircraft that bombed Dresden? Who knew?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:52 | 2992929 nmewn
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Say hello to my little friend, the Grand Mufti...

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:57 | 2992934's picture

So those were Christian crews that bombed the open city of Dresden? Wouldn't that make Jesus a mass murderer by your line of reasoning?


"Isn't firing missiles into population centers with absolutely no intent to strike a militarily significant target a crime against humanity?"

Not if you believe a mass murderer is your messiah.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:12 | 2992960 nmewn
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Isn't that the Palestinian Grand Mufti shaking hands with Hitler? Didn't he conscript/consign Arab men & boys into Hitlers Waffen SS to fight & die?

Why yes, yes it is...and he did, with a smile.


Ahhh, I see the Aryan Master Race Storm Junkin has come with you...ROTFL!!!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:20 | 2992980's picture

Do you or do you not believe that those who bomb non-military targets as the Allies did in Dresden are worshipers of a mass murderer? You were so sure of it just a moment ago.


"Isn't firing missiles into population centers with absolutely no intent to strike a militarily significant target a crime against humanity?"

Not if you believe a mass murderer is your messiah.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:26 | 2992995 nmewn
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Do you or do you not believe that was the Grand Mufti shaking Hitlers hand and agreeing to send Arab boys & men to fight alongside Hitler?

It goes even deeper Crockett...what did Hitler promise the Grand Mufti for his allegiance...hmmm?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:36 | 2993017's picture

I really don't know a thing about this Grand Mufti. Is he some kind of Muppet? Are he and Tickle-Me-Hitler in Gaza right now?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:47 | 2993035 nmewn
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Yes he is, babbling incoherently in a bunker, about to be bombed for the exact same reason Hitler was.

Another Ron Zacapa and I'm gonna call it a night while waiting for the Hitler youth to grab whats left of the panzerfausts ;-)

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:51 | 2993045's picture

So do you believe that those who target civilian targets like the Allies did in Dresden are worshipers of a mass murderer or not? Is it possible that "our" side is guilty of exactly the same kind of things you perhaps rightfully accuse "their" side of doing?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:16 | 2993079 nmewn
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Are you really trying to compare atheists & Catholics who flew over Dresden to Hitler's "thousand year reich"?


The Allies didn't have addle brained concentration guard "rejects" (formed into units) following along behind the Wermacht, picking up civilians, to perform experiments on, force labor from and generally create mass death and misery beyond what war already is.

Really dude, learn some glass is now empty and this is getting ridiculous again.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:50 | 2993093's picture

Look, dude. The Palestinians shouldn't be firing their piss poor rockets indiscriminately. Israel should stop acting as if they can do what they want when they want no matter who gets hurt. And I shouldn't be forced to pay for any of it.


Survivor: Shell casings found on deck afterward were marked "Ft. Dix, New Jersey" indicating that our men were killed with munitions supplied to Israel by the United States.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:57 | 2993302 DFCtomm
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So you're commenting about a political situation in an area that you readily admit that you don't understand. Your name must be Bush.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:16 | 2993707's picture

Please detail how Hitler's meting with the Grand Mufti has effected the Gaza invasion.

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