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Stratfor Update On Gaza, Israel, And Hezbollah

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Via Stratfor Global Intelligence,

Update On The Israel-Gaza Conflict

New intelligence indicates forces in Gaza may be manufacturing long-range rockets locally. If this is the case, a significant ground force offers the Israelis the best chance of finding and neutralizing the factories making these weapons. Meanwhile, Israel continues its airstrikes on Gaza, and Gaza continues its long-range rocket attacks on major Israeli population centers, though Israel claims its Iron Dome defense system has intercepted most of the rockets.




Israel appears to be positioning itself for a ground operation, perhaps as early as the night of Nov. 17. The Israeli Cabinet on Nov. 16 approved Defense Minister Ehud Barak's request to call up 75,000 reservists, significantly more than during Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009. The Israeli army meanwhile has also sought to strengthen its presence on the borders with Gaza. Primary roads leading to Gaza and running parallel to Sinai have been declared closed military zones. Tanks, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled artillery and troops continue to stream to the border, and many units already appear to be in position.


During Operation Cast Lead, the Israelis transitioned to the ground phase around 8:00 p.m. on Jan. 3, 2009. Going in during dark hours allows the IDF to take advantage of its superior night-fighting equipment and training, including the use of night vision goggles and thermal optics.


The Israeli air force remained active throughout the night of Nov. 16-17, striking at targets across the Gaza Strip including key Hamas ministries, police stations and tunnels near the border crossing with Egypt. The IAF reportedly carried out strikes in Rafah's al-Sulan and al-Zahour neighborhoods, as well as east of the al-Maghazi refugee camp. According to IDF reports, the air force carried out a rapid and coordinated military strike, targeting approximately 70 underground medium-range rocket-launching sites in the less than an hour. The IDF claims direct hits were confirmed. The IAF will increasingly target Hamas militant defenses ahead of any ground invasion. Already the IAF has bombed militant defensive positions, particularly in the northern part of the Gaza Strip.


Meanwhile, Hamas and other militant factions in Gaza have been actively striking back at Israel. More than 80 rockets have been launched from Gaza over the past 24 hours. Of the rockets launched Nov. 17, approximately 57 landed in Israel. According to the IDF, a total of 640 rockets have been launched since Nov. 14, with 410 landing in Israel. A long-range rocket was fired from Gaza toward Tel Aviv at approximately 4:45 p.m. local time Nov. 17 but was successfully intercepted by the recently deployed Iron Dome anti-rocket defense system in the area. Hamas continues to target areas around Ashkelon, Ashdod and Beersheva, with the Iron Dome system intercepting five rockets over Ashkelon at 5:15 p.m. The majority of rockets launched from Gaza appear to be of shorter range than the Fajr-5. The IDF has stated its Iron Dome interceptors have so far successfully intercepted 90 percent of the rockets, though this may be an exaggeration.


One of the long-range rockets was intercepted by the newly installed Iron Dome battery in the Tel Aviv area. A Stratfor source has indicated that the rocket was not a Fajr-5, but was a locally manufactured long-range rocket in Hamas' arsenal.


If militants in Gaza are now able to locally manufacture their own long-range rockets that can target Tel Aviv and other major Israeli cities, it would be a worrisome development for Israel. Thus far, Israel has been able to focus its efforts on limiting the supply of these rockets to Gaza through interdiction efforts, such as the alleged Oct. 23 strike on the Yarmouk arms factory in Sudan. But if Palestinian militants can manufacture long-range rockets in Gaza, it will be much more difficult for Israel to restrict Gaza's inventory of these rockets. Beyond rocket launch sites and caches, which Israel is currently targeting with its airstrikes, it would need to target production sites and those who would be responsible for manufacturing the rockets.


Furthermore, it will be significantly harder for Israeli intelligence to form an accurate picture of the number of these rockets locally constructed in Gaza. We have already seen that Israeli intelligence likely did not anticipate how many long-range rockets had escaped its first wave of strikes, and the fact that Hamas may have been producing these weapons could explain Israel's lack of complete information.


Hamas recognizes that these long-range rocket attacks have only increased the likelihood and intensity of an Israeli ground incursion. A significant ground force offers the Israelis the best chance of finding and neutralizing the factories making these long-range rockets as well as the shorter-range Qassams. Hamas and the other militants therefore are actively preparing their defenses for the anticipated incursion and are likely laying improvised explosive devices, setting up road blocks and defensive emplacements and sorting out their ranks and tasks.


Hamas has already announced that its Al Murabiteen units, consisting of five brigades spread across Gaza, will be concentrated in the border region to limit Israeli penetration into the Gaza Strip. Learning from Hezbollah's example in 2006, special units of Hamas are relying heavily on tunnels to maintain communications. Should Israel be drawn into more densely populated areas of Gaza in pursuit of weapons storage and manufacturing facilities, Hamas has also reportedly prepared its suicide bombers, known as Istishadiyeen, to raise the cost for Israel in an urban battle.

Hezbollah Remains Wary amid Israeli Operations in Gaza

While Hamas is preparing for an Israeli ground assault into Gaza, Hezbollah's movements on Israel's northern frontier bear close watching. Iranian Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi on Nov. 17 called on the Muslim world to retaliate against Israeli actions in Gaza. Naturally, many are looking in the direction of Lebanon, where Hezbollah, Iran's most capable militant proxy, could open a second front against Israel.


Though Iran would welcome the opportunity to demonstrate the spectrum of its militant proxy strength, especially after supplying Hamas with the long-range Fajr-5 rockets that have been targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, Hezbollah will likely be extremely cautious in deciding whether to participate in this war.



The group's fate is linked to that of the embattled regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad; should Syria fracture along sectarian lines, Lebanon is likely to descend into civil war, and Hezbollah will have to conserve its strength and resources for a battle at home against its sectarian rivals. Indeed, Hezbollah has already been preparing for such a scenario by seizing control of villages along the Orontes River Basin in order to maintain connectivity with Syria's Alawite community.


At the same time, if Hamas is able to bog down Israeli ground forces by drawing them into a war of attrition in densely populated Gaza City, Hezbollah may see a political opportunity to burnish its credentials as the region's leading "resistance" movement. In this case, Hezbollah would likely monitor the situation until it could be assured that Israeli forces are sufficiently constrained on the Gaza front before it begins attacks on the northern front. Hezbollah is not looking for a major confrontation with Israel, and the tens of thousands of additional Israeli reservists called up compared to Operation Cast Lead suggest that Israel is already preparing for a two-front contingency. If Hezbollah does decide to participate in the war, it would be carefully timed to drive an already embattled Israel toward a cease-fire so that Hezbollah could claim a largely symbolic victory at relatively little cost.


With Hezbollah uncertain how the Israeli-Hamas battle will play out, the group appears to be taking a cautious approach. Stratfor has received indication that Hezbollah has prevented radical Palestinian groups in southern Lebanese refugee camps from firing rockets into northern Israel. In addition to an increase in the number of patrols by the Lebanese army and the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, Hezbollah has been deploying numerous operatives in plainclothes along the border to monitor the situation. Hezbollah has also installed cameras around the Ain al Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp near Sidon to monitor traffic from the camp to its outside environs. Whereas Hezbollah completely controls movement into and out of Palestinian refugee camps in the deep south, Ain al Hilweh lies completely within a Sunni neighborhood. For this reason, Hezbollah has rented a number of apartments around the camp, especially in al Ta'mir area, to keep a close watch there.


For now, Hezbollah appears intent on not allowing the battle in Gaza to spill into southern Lebanon. It remains to be seen whether that calculus would shift should Hamas succeed in wearing down Israeli ground forces.


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Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:47 | 2993661 Randall Cabot
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"Isn't that the Palestinian Grand Mufti shaking hands with Hitler?"

Just what kind of racist was Hitler anyway? Shaking hands with the Grand Mufti, fighting along side Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, Slavs, Arabs, Berbers and Japanese for crying out loud! You jew supremacists need to get your story straight!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:18 | 2993711's picture

And don't forget these folks:


WW2 150,000 Jewish Soldiers Served Hitler and the Nazis

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:59 | 2992938 cbxer55
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We can debate Dresden until the cows come home. But Germany started it dropping bombs on London, firing missiles on London. What goes around, comes around. One good deed deserves another, etc. Germany started the war. We finished it in grand style.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:04 | 2992948's picture

And the Zionists invaded Palestine, not the other way around. So Israel is in that sense like Nazi Germany. Do you still agree that, "What goes around, comes around. One good deed deserves another, etc.?"

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:06 | 2992957 cbxer55
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After hamas started indiscriminately firing missiles into Israeli territory, threatening and even killing Israelis. 

Kick some ass Israel. 

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:21 | 2992983's picture

So the Zionists invaded Palestine in 1946 because of rockets fired by Hamas in 2012? That's kind of crazy, dude.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:38 | 2993013 cbxer55
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Time travel is possible. No?

What's the world coming to anyhow? I thought you were talking about what is going on now, not something that happened 66 years ago. My mistake. 66 years ago, you'd think they would have gotten over it by now. Sheesh, talk about holding a grudge. Good probability most of the folks that were alive at that time are all pushin up daisies by now.

Takin a dirt nap, it's the new hip thing. We're all gonna be doing it soon enough.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:39 | 2993026's picture

If the trouble started this year then why has Israel blockaded Gaza for over 40 years?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:02 | 2993065 nmewn
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Outside of being factually wrong...Gaza became independent in 1998 and then Fatah & Hamas went at each others throats killing each other...Israel didn't.

Gaza was a part of Israel until 1998. Not everyone in Gaza is a card carrying nutcase. Its the nutcases that make life tough on everyone else.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:22 | 2993084's picture

Israel occupied Gaza in 1967 and no international vessels entered port until 2008. Israel began blocking all international traffic again in 2010.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:07 | 2993151 DaveyJones
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and God those nutcases are everywhere

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:40 | 2993207 downwiththebanks
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Sure thing, captain.  It's a perfectly independent penal colony.  They even get to elect their prison wardens.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:45 | 2993113 GeorgeHayduke
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" I thought you were talking about what is going on now, not something that happened 66 years ago. My mistake. 66 years ago, you'd think they would have gotten over it by now."

Yeah, forgotten about just like all those folks from the Southern USA who feel compelled to fly Confederate Flags nearly 150 years after the Civil War. Cultural rifts die hard.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:31 | 2993631 holdingontomypants
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crockett-you spew so much garbage on this site it is disgusting. Look at history for thousands of years and you see many land boundaries have changed as one nation conquered another. Does that mean we all should be waging war today based on what was onced owned by a country 100-500-1,000 years ago? This is a war based on ideaology of religion. Its this simple. Muslims don't want a non-muslim religious nation anywhere around them hence Israel being a constant focus of many muslim factions and country. Using the Palestine issue is just a farce for what the true issue is that I described.  

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:21 | 2993719's picture



Does that mean we all should be waging war today based on what was onced owned by a country 100-500-1,000 years ago?


That's my point. The Zionists invaded Palestine over a lie about past ownership. Glad you agree. Now if we can just get congress to stop sending our money to Israel so that we can spend it on our own needs instead of pointless wars to recapture lands lost in ancient times.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:08 | 2993307 DFCtomm
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 You've obviously picked up your version of events from your college english lit professor. How did the Jews originally get kicked out of a land named Judea? The Koran even talks about the slaughter of Jewish tribes that lived on the Saudi Peninsula. This thing between Jews and Muslims has been going on a very, very long time, and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:23 | 2993723's picture

I independently determined that I don't want to pay for your crap, mooch.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 15:39 | 2994084 DFCtomm
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But that's not all you've said. You've talked out of your ass about things you don't understand instead of simply saying that I don't want to financially support Israel. That at least would be something we could agree on.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:51 | 2993668 Randall Cabot
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"We can debate Dresden until the cows come home. But Germany started it dropping bombs on London, firing missiles on London. What goes around, comes around. One good deed deserves another, etc. Germany started the war. We finished it in grand style."

Actually Britain declared war on Germany first. And Britain bombed Germany, including civilian targets, first also.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:49 | 2993042 caconhma
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Yes, just please tell it to NATO thugs killing innocent civilians in  Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, etc!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:22 | 2992869 Yen Cross
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I'm looking at the Sunday open.   The Certified ceiling of most jets is ?

   I'm short everything.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:18 | 2992973 cbxer55
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"I'm looking at the Sunday open.   The Certified ceiling of most jets is ?"



Higher than you can go without oxygen!   ;-)

It's actually referred to in the aviation community as Service Ceiling.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:27 | 2992870 Jack Burton
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It looks like Israel is going to go in again on the ground. They need the reserves called up to help secure the border with Southern Lebanon where the only real military force of any consequence is, that is Hezbolla.

Hezbolla has a huge inventory of rockets and missiles of long range. Their ground forces are totally defensive, aimed to defend Southern Lebanon against Israeli invasion. It is a good time for Israel to smash Gaza, as Hezbolla has forces committed in Syria, some 5,000 soldiers. I agree with the main article that hezbolla needs to maintain it forces for possible civil war in Lebanon. These two things in their rear, the Syrian war and the possible Lebanon civil war is bound to make Hezbolla very conservative.

For my money, Israel's only fear is the Egyptian reaction if they pile up bodies by the thousands in Gaza. The game is changed in Egypt, it is no longer a puppet of the USA, and thus Israel. Officially Egypt will not come to Gaza's military aid, but private parties and evn groups like the Muslim Brotherhood may move fighters and weapons into Gaza. A big IF.

I watch CNN to get a feel for Israel's policies as CNN is basically an offical arm of the Israeli government. Tonight they have the banner under the news casters saying "Possible ground invasion imminent". So that makes it a good possibility it starts soon. Israel has been claiming for some time now that Gaza is an Iranian outpost and an Iranian front in it's war on Israel. This lays the ground work for a possible strike on Iran, though I don't see that as likley right now.

Gaza is easy pickings and could be hammered to pieces with ease by Israel. The only force that borders Israel and is militarily capable is Hezbolla, and they have a lot on their plate right now in Syria and Lebanon. So the door is wide open for Israel to impose a final solution on Gaza. The only question now is, is how much killing is Israel prepared to do?  And what is Obama telling them? That I haven't a clue. Maybe begging them to only kill a few thousand? I have no idea. Israel doesn't need to listen to any American president anyways, as THEY tell the president what is going to happen, not the other way around.


Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:34 | 2992890 h0oS
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I'm starting to hope Israel goes into Gaza. Hamas have had time to learn form Hezbolla and all they need to do is bog down the Israeli's long enough to disgrace BiBi and demonstrate to the Israeli public that supporting psychopaths comes at a price, the deaths of their conscripts and the disruption to their lives that they wreak on the Palestinians on a daily basis.

I don't doubt Hezbolla will allow rockets to be launched from the fugee camps once the Israelis are properly engaged in a ground assault. These strikes will maximise the discontent felt by the Israeli public at the inadequacy of the military assault to achieve anything beyond the murder of innocent Palestinians.  

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:38 | 2993205 downwiththebanks
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Good analysis--I think Apartheid Israel will make the time for Hizbollah to engage quite obvious.  The countown to Palesinian liberation has begun, methinks.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:50 | 2993338 mayavision2012
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It was reported yesterday by @harryfear, a British journalist in Gaza now that two reports were received stating that some Israeli reservists allegedly are refusing to enter Gaza.  I am waiting for a confirmation but if this turns out to be correct, I would call them heroes for their moral stance.  The soldiers in our world are the ones who could change the tide in warfare if they would just rise up and refuse to fight in illegal wars for their power-hungry, profiteering racist masters.

Unfortunately, the Internet is now down there, depriving the victims of a voice.

Edit update:

Israeli Soldier Speaks Out On BBC Against the Crimes of His Government..."

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:25 | 2993732's picture

Those who risk their reputations and their lives for peace rather than war are already blessed by God.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:55 | 2993970 Matt
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Former Air Force Captain. It is nice that he is voicing his criticism, but it would have been better if he did it while he was in the military.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:08 | 2993152 Vooter
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Can't wait until the buses start getting ripped apart in Tel Aviv--watching the Israelis get all weepy and apoplectic about that will be funny.


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:22 | 2993223 Terminus C
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yep, can't think of anything funnier than people getting blown up.  As a matter of fact, we should have explosions in every community around the world, you know, for the laughs.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 15:08 | 2993994 Matt
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Yakety Saks makes anything funny:

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:30 | 2993742's picture


No, no, no.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:31 | 2993462 downwiththebanks
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@ Jack Burton

I disagree.  As they learned in 2009, it might be easy for Apartheid Israel to drop bombs on babies and grandmothers in their wheelchairs from 25,000 feet.  Cowards bomb with bravery.

But when it comes to a ground invasion, their little Land-Grabbing army doesn't have the juice to accomplish ANYTHING.

The only hope the Zionist bedwetters have to peacefully go to their beaches and spas is if Hamas steers the Palestinian Resistance into a cease-fire.  Tactically, this would be dumb.  But that's why Hamas exists in the first place.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:31 | 2992878 EvlTheCat
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Anyone else tired of endless fighting for peace?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:33 | 2992886 Jack Burton
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If we didn't have wars, how would we ever achieve peace? Look at the long Iraq war, it needed years of fighting for peace to get peace.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:39 | 2992897 EvlTheCat
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:45 | 2992910 EvlTheCat
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:03 | 2992947 EvlTheCat
Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:32 | 2992885 Yen Cross
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  Z/H is sweetness. Animosity is questionable.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:38 | 2992896 Ima anal sphincter
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Fuck Israel. Murderous evil country. Fuck Israel.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:46 | 2992911 nmewn
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Could you be more precise as to where you want to fuck Israel?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:49 | 2992919 h0oS
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I think the answer to your question is embedded in the name of the poster.

About as precise as Israeli military technology, somewhat...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:20 | 2992978 nmewn
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"I think the answer to your question is embedded in the name of the poster."

Bout where I was at.

"About as precise as Israeli military technology..."

Oh I don't know, at least we've gotten past the "they're using white phosphorous gas on civilians!!!" meme.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:52 | 2992928's picture

When she takes the money she's got to give up the goods, no?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:56 | 2992932 Yen Cross
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 Such a beautiful mind?     WHY?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 23:59 | 2992937's picture

Don't follow.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:15 | 2992969 Yen Cross
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 You     Have the

    AUDICITY?  A person that I respect?    NMEWN has never "dis- respected"you?

    A life form like you, should know better!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:21 | 2992984 nmewn
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We just disagree on this is all yen.

And he's wrong ;-)

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:25 | 2992993 Yen Cross
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 OK / I'm done   Good on ya both.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:29 | 2993003's picture

That I got. Hi!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:24 | 2992990's picture

Still don't follow. nmewn is all right. He's just a little dense at times.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:29 | 2993001 Yen Cross
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  Crocket , sorry for offending you.    Doing Flight Certs.? I think you should get involved.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:30 | 2993006's picture

Are you secretly Lewis Carroll or something?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:37 | 2993019 Yen Cross
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  Just a "Croc Hunter"   Hey what about those "static lines"?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:41 | 2993027's picture

I can't make heads or tails out of most of the things that you say.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:46 | 2993034 Yen Cross
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 Have you ever conquered a sewer RAT? Tall /Hat no cattle---

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:48 | 2993039 infinity8
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all of the above: hilarious.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:55 | 2993051's picture

Oh, great. It's his brother.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:59 | 2993059 infinity8
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Crockett, I greened you on the heads-or-tails comment. I'm a Crockett fan - I was born on 8-17. You need to relax, "brother".

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:34 | 2993098's picture

I'm quiet relaxed. The stimulating conversation on this board has nearly put me to sleep. Just playing with one and all.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:40 | 2993106 infinity8
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and I thought I was a cranky old fucker. .  {:(*

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:43 | 2993112's picture

Maybe you are. It's going around.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:49 | 2993123 infinity8
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that's for certain.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:58 | 2993136 cbxer55
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I am a cranky old fucker. But a cranky old fucker who totes a 1911 everywhere he goes. Don't mess with this cranky old fucker.

Off to get my first drink of the night. Let the drinkin games begin. Every time Yen Cross puts up one of them indecipherable posts, take a swig.;-)

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:59 | 2993137's picture

I upgraded to the 1912.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:00 | 2993140 cbxer55
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Does it have two barrels instead of one?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:06 | 2993149's picture

Yep. It's a 1912 gauge.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:17 | 2992972 Kastorsky
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Update on jews:

Jewish man gets caught red handed spraying anti-Jewish hate messages in New York

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:59 | 2993057's picture

I wonder if he had an agenda or was just driven mad by the stress of constant Zionist doomsday propaganda. Nazi this and Nazi that. It's got to weigh heavily on people.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:21 | 2993160 Kastorsky
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all jewish agenda is driven by the stress of constant Zionist doomsday propaganda.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:26 | 2992992 ekm
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Arab Population - 280 million (approx)


Israeli Population - 8 million (not even)


Ratio: 35 times more arabs then israelis

This is what I call: GUTS. These guys are tough. Ratio 1 to 35 and victorious.

I do not understand how could they live in a permanent state of fear, but they do.

Why (most of) arabs hate jews, is beyond me. 1 to 35, remember.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:31 | 2993010's picture

Those Israelis fight hard on my dime.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:41 | 2993024 ekm
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Let me tell it the way it is, sir.

If Israel were not there, not a single drop of oil would have arrived to USA and Europe.


They have this thing called Holy Land and they want to stay there. It just happens that the Holy Land is near crude oil areas. I can tell you that if the Holy Land were in a God forgiven land somewhere in the Pacific, nobody would have cared.


We pay some dimes, they are there to divide the arabs so they can stay in the their Holy Land. I like the deal.


Moreover, a lot of scientics and artists are of jewish descent or plainly jews. I like anybody who contributes to science and art. And if jews are the ones who contribute the most, I like them. They're good people.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:42 | 2993029's picture

You are a crazy, hateful person. And a mooch.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:51 | 2993047 ekm
Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:00 | 2993062's picture

I don't need any additional proof that you're a mooch.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:08 | 2993066 ekm
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Debate with me otherwise I'm going to ignore you.

Teach me something. Make me change my mind. "Mooch" doesn't cut it.


I can say that I am annoyed by "nazi" for this and "nazi" for that, but they feel strongly about it. Come on, they live in fear and want to survive, just 8 million. What's wrong with surviving?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:38 | 2993103's picture

The Palestinians live far more fearful lives than the Israelis.


At least 6,617 Palestinians and 1,097 Israelis
have been killed since September 29, 2000.


And why should I have to debate with you over whether you have the right to reach in my pocket and take my money because you've got a sob story. Everybody's got one of those. Nothing exceptional about it.


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:51 | 2993119 ekm
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Nobody is endorsing war. Do not twist the math.

What I'm saying is that 200 mil people are threating 8 million people.


The money you pay, gets paid back. Instead of american soldiers, there are israeli soldiers fighting.

If Israel were not there, US soldiers would have to be engaged into fighting in order to protect crude oil interests, not drinking beer at the bases at UAE and Qatar.


Basically, USA and the West is paying Israel to fight for us. They agree since they want to stay in their Holy Land.

It's a crazy deal, but it seems a good deal for us in the west.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:54 | 2993132's picture

It's up to me to decide whether paying Israel to murder innocent people is worth it. And I'm gonna have to take a pass. But feel free to panhandle your way through the rest of the thread.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:59 | 2993138 Vooter
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Why should I give a shit if a couple of hundred thousand tattooed subhumans from Jesusland are tricked into flying over to the Middle East to die for nothing? LOL...go ahead, send them over. American soldiers, Israeli soldiers--it's all the same fucking thing. Who gives a shit?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:08 | 2993153's picture

There but for the grace of God go I.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:00 | 2993199 downwiththebanks
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Good analysis here.

So when the Land-Grabbing army of the White Zionists can't even successfully attack its own prison colony, what service does it provide?  Is it worth bankrolling a cancerous tumor in a region simply for the purpose of losing wars--in 2000, then in 2006, then 2008/9, and now today.

Apartheid Israel doesn't have the guts, or the guys, to send troops into Gaza.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:01 | 2993202 downwiththebanks
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Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:51 | 2993129 Vooter
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I'm looking forward to checking out the new fleet of open-air buses in Tel Aviv...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:15 | 2993187 bunnyswanson
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 ?  Why do you think Jewish are so hated by so many that out of 130 nations during the Evian Conference, only 1 (Paraquay?) would allow a couple thousand entry - even in light of the situation?  Does that not bother Jewish people?  Isn't it time to try a new approach?  Perhaps humility, honesty and decency.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:50 | 2993040 Yen Cross
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 Just shut up! DUMB ASS!

  EKM  is ten times as smart!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:01 | 2993064's picture

Did he learn ya that fancy bold typin'?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:23 | 2993086 Yen Cross
Yen Cross's picture             I'm asking nicely.   

                          We all respect your mediocrity...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:40 | 2993105's picture


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:35 | 2993203 downwiththebanks
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With the full force of racism and imperialist welfare, anything is possible.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:13 | 2993309 Fred123
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There are 1.6 billion muslims and 13.5 million Jews in the world. Thats close to a 120 to 1 ratio.

My money is on the Jews.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:39 | 2993926 Vigilante
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'..............Why (most of) arabs hate jews, is beyond me. 1 to 35, remember.'

You just answered your question...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:30 | 2993007 Atomizer
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U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel – March 12,2012


Give me my fucking money or I’ll work up some tears…  Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

New American job creation starts in Egypt, Syria, Iran and Afghanistan. Hahahaha.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:16 | 2993078 Yen Cross
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EKM could save planet Earth from any-thing!   Air conditioning/ Mad Man!


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:30 | 2993008 atomicwasted
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Does anyone pay any attention to Stratfor anymore?

Have they ever been right about anything?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:38 | 2993022 Yen Cross
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Do We Care?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:41 | 2993028 Atomizer
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They'll be rolling out a new propaganda piece in 3,2,1. Just enjoy a moment of Stratfor comedy.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:43 | 2993032 Yen Cross
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My BOYZ!  

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:46 | 2993036 Kastorsky
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israel did 9/11

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:42 | 2993937 Vigilante
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So what?

Welcome to the real world..


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:50 | 2993046 jonjon831983
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Jeebus Stratfor has been busy, pumped out 2-3 articles re: ME in the last dayish

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 00:51 | 2993048 Yen Cross
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Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:18 | 2993082 boeing747
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I wonder why Israe  did not strike Crysler headquarter yet because almost every new dodge car has Nazi iron cross on the front grill.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 01:47 | 2993120 Ocean22
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the Palestinians are too dumb to see what could be. they (israel) are not going to ever leave, all the Palestinians are doing in self inflicitng wounds upon countless generationsa and causing untold suffering.  israel should never have been given the land in the first place, but hey, its done now, GET OVER IT and make the best, come to peace and coexist do you and your people want to live in this HELL HOLE for the rest of eternity? as I said too DUMB to see the forest for the trees.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:17 | 2993342 Vooter
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As long as Israel is tortured in the same hell hole for the rest of eternity, it's all good...

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:19 | 2993394 JR
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You say, “the Palestinians are too dumb to see what could be, they (israel) are not going to ever leave…” Likewise, would you say Americans “are too dumb to see what they could be…”? Should they too just “GET OVER IT” and wear their chains proudly?

It began long ago, the grand finale arriving during the Clinton Administration.

Here is Avinoam Bar-Yosef on September 2, 1994, explaining how the Jews/Israel became full partners in governing  US domestic and  foreign policy  in Maariv, a mainstream Hebrew language daily newspaper published in Israel. It begins, under the title,The Jews Who Run Clinton's Court:

Several weeks ago the rabbi of "Adath Yisrael" synagogue in Cleveland Park, Washington, dedicated his Sabbath sermon to the Jewish cultural and political center which is being formed in America. "For the first time in American history", the rabbi said, "we no longer feel that we live in diaspora. The U.S. has no longer a government of Goyim [Gentiles], but an administration in which the Jews are full partners in the decision making at all levels. Perhaps the aspects of the Jewish religious law connected with the term 'government of goyim' should be re-examined, since it is an outdated term in the U.S."

Indeed, as far as the Jews are concerned, President Bill Clinton contributed towards a real change in the Administration's outlook, having concluded a series of changes in enhancing Jewish power
beginning during under President Reagan and his Secretary of State, Schultz...

The picture has now totally changed and not only about the Middle East. For example, every morning at about 6:00 o'clock, several staff cars travel from the CIA center to the White House with senior officers of the American intelligence community, who are about to present to the president and to the four top staffers a PDB - President's Daily Briefing - the term for the most exclusive report in Washington. The document, consisting of 5-7 pages, is often accompanied by top secret satellite photographs transferred by the Pentagon. It is composed in the course of the night by the best American intelligence experts who analyze the telegrams and reports arriving from the CIA's world-wide network of agents. It contains the most sensitive information regarding developments around the world. Its uniqueness, compared to other American intelligence documents, lays in the fact that it almost always indicates the source of the information, whether it is a document stolen by a spy, or an agent or 'mole' infiltrating a foreign government, or whether the source is tapping by means of satellite. If Clinton is in Washington, he holds a short discussion on the contents of the document with the five other addressees: Vice-President Al Gore, National Security Adviser Anthony Lake, White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, Deputy National Security Adviser Samuel ("Sandy") Berger, and National Security Adviser to the Vice-President, Leon Perth. Two of the addressees, Berger and Perth, are warm Jews. They have reached posts that are extremely sensitive for the U.S. policies. They are by no means exceptions.

In the National Security Council, 7 out of 11 top staffers are Jews. Clinton had especially placed them in the most sensitive junctions in the U.S. security and foreign administrations: Sandy Berger is the deputy chairman of the council; Martin Indyk, the intended ambassador to Israel, is a senior director in charge of the Middle East and South Asia; Dan Schifter, the senior director and adviser to the president, is in charge of Western Europe; Don Steinberg, the senior director and adviser to the president, is in charge of Africa; Richard Feinberg, the senior director and adviser to the president, in charge of Latin America; Stanley Ross, the senior director and adviser to the president, is in charge of Asia.

The situation is not much different in the president's office which is full of warm Jews: the new Attorney General, Abner Mikve: the president's schedule and programs manager, Ricky Seidman; deputy chief of staff, Phil Leida; economic adviser, Robert Rubin; media director, David Heiser; staff director, Alice Rubin; Ely Segall, in charge of volunteers; Ira Mezina, in charge of the health program. Two Cabinet members, Labor Secretary Robert Reich and Micky Cantor in charge of international trade agreements, are Jewish. They are joined by a long list of senior Jewish officials in the State Department, headed by the head of the Middle East Peace Team, Dennis Ross, and followed by many deputy secretaries and even more senior secretaries' chiefs of staff.

One of the most interesting Jews from the Israeli point of view, who has rarely been exposed to view till now, is Rahm Emanuel, Clinton's senior adviser in charge of coordinating special projects in the White House. His office is located next to the famous Oval Office... He has become an expert at communicating with Congress and has already had many successes, the most prominent of which was the ratification of NAFTA. Now he is immersed in the passing of the Health Bill… Read more at…

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:56 | 2993441 downwiththebanks
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Oh, they'll leave.  Demographics will get the better of them.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock:  the days of the Zionist terror state are numbered.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:44 | 2993940 Vigilante
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Zionism defies the laws of Physics....or demographics for that matter

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 15:02 | 2993985 downwiththebanks
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"Dear Invisible Sky Goblin:

Please kill everyone that isn't a White Ashkenazi anti-Semite like me.

Yours faithfully, Vigilante "

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:07 | 2993150 bunnyswanson
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Chris Hedges addresses the mass murder of Palestinians by Israel.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:25 | 2993162 Yen Cross
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 it`'s imposible, Not that Michelle.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:37 | 2993167 Lucius Corneliu...
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Some things never change.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 02:50 | 2993172 Amagnonx
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I have old intelligence that says 'any excuse that can't immediately be proved conclusively false' will do - locally manufactured missiles, bah, the place is like a bomb crater in a desert.


Get your damned troops, planes and invading settlers out of someone elses nation and you'll find peace a lot easier to achieve - this is an excuse for genocide.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 12:28 | 2993192 downwiththebanks
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Hizbollah has no reason to involve themselves in the Gaza conflict any more than in combatting alCIAda in Syria.

On the other hand, Apartheid Israel knows it cannot win a war against the Palestinian people and may decide escalation is the only way to involve Uncle Sam, its benefactor and bodyguard.  This government of religious fundamentalists, practicing Apartheid under the guise of democracy, may attack Lebanon in a lunatic maneuver.

Hizbollah's position was made clear in Nasrallah's speech the other day. They know that Gaza will be a burial ground for invaders.  They're ready in case the mad dog Zionists do something crazy, but for now they're going to watch Gaza become their tar-baby.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:46 | 2993943 Vigilante
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More doom and gloom...

Prepare for the egg in the face libtards!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 15:03 | 2993986 downwiththebanks
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Like 2006, right?  How soon before your beloved Shimon Peres is running around begging for a cease-fire publicly instead of doing so in private?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:52 | 2993211 ArrestBobRubin
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“The Jew Cries Out In Pain As He Strikes You”

"Savage terrorist Jews have again launched lethal attacks against the people of Gaza, slaughtering dozens of civilians as well as Hamas freedom fighters who have been diligently resisting the brutal Jewish occupation and usurpation of their land and people. Using unmanned aerial drones and war planes, the infamous cowardice of Jews is on full display as they fire missiles sitting safely behind a desk or in the cockpit of a fighter jet, toying with Palestinian lives like it’s a video game, kosher-roasting Palestinian men and women as they drive down the street, holocausting Palestinian children as they play in the school yard...."

More follows at ZionCrimeFactory

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 03:58 | 2993212 cherry picker
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I have American children and grandchildren.  I am not American.  Before I see my family being pressed into another war, Obama or anyone else who wants to send any of my kids to that hell hole will have to go through me first,

I am tired of the bullshit and I am a man who loves peace, but enough is enough.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:22 | 2993316 Canucklehead
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... Atta boy Cherry Picker.  Seriously, Gaza will be blockaded and within the week they will be living off the sweets they wanted to hold back for celebrations.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:26 | 2993224 zilverreiger
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Fuck stratfor jew propaganda

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:00 | 2993248 dinastar2
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Oy Vey Dr Joseph G. Durden, you did a gut job again those filthy israelis   .Your readers have unleashed their twisted bowels on you website and thanks to their reptilian brain, you succeed to smear the israelis, their jewish people, their jewish baksters . How gut is this conflict ! We , your forefathers in hate , we are very pleased to see the good vork continued. Now it's much better than it was in the 1930's, now we can unload our hate without even mumbling this filthy word ( jew ) , it is enough to say " zionists ". Danke schoen Dr Durden, ven you climb ibto heaven ask for Dr Goebbels , he has saved a seat for you.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:21 | 2993258 bunnyswanson
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Uploaded by on Jan 16, 2009

"Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism" Tzipi Livnis Father was a Terrorist" Astonishing claims in the House of Parliament. SIR Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP, yesterday compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland.

During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the government to impose an arms embargo on Israel.

Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed.

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."

He accused the Israeli government of seeking "conquest" and added: "

They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:33 | 2993263 Monedas
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Zionist are just illegal aliens, then ?  The Socialist world should support them for that alone !

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:37 | 2993764's picture

It is the socialist world which supports Israel. They compel me to pay for Israeli aggression. Free men object to that sort of thing, mooch.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:40 | 2993265 Monedas
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More people die every day in the love fest in Syria !   Do terrorist drop leaflets to civilians on what places to avoid .... like ammo dumps and Hamas headquarters !  I am amazed at the civility and precision of Israel's bombing .... a new first in humane warfare .... Jews are just more civilized than the Arab animal terrorists !  

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:38 | 2993767's picture

If the US and the Saudis hadn't armed Al Qaeda and sent them against the Syrian regime that wouldn't be an issue. You're either with the terrorists or against them.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 06:51 | 2993266 Monedas
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I love Palestinian hookers .... they're just as pretty as the Jewish girls .... and they work for much less !   Excuse me, I want to get back to my Haifa "Basket Fuck" and my "Two If By Tea" .... a Rush Limbaugh beverage !  Have a nice day .... and stay out of harms way !

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:00 | 2993268 Monedas
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If Jews behaved on the perverse level of Hamas .... they would lob 5 random artillery rounds into Gaza for every rocket randomly fired against Israel ? If that doesn't stop the rockets .... increase the dose to 10 random artillery rounds .... etc. etc. ! Fight terror with more terror !  The civilized restraint of  Israel is wasted on these terrorist pigs !

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:55 | 2993436 downwiththebanks
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Zionists acting in the name and interest of Apartheid and land theft have been practicing terrorism in Palestine long before 1947.

Do you consider the Zionist execution of 9/11 to be what you're after?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 07:43 | 2993294 negative rates
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Somebody is gonna spread themselves to thin around here, and I don't think it's SKIPPY.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:32 | 2993306 Monedas
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What do you prefer on your toast .... skippy peanut butter or skippy dog food ?  Thanks for acknowledging my clever post over at TFMR !  I referred to Israel as the "Gaza Strip" of the Middle East .... it's not a fair comparison .... Gaza has many friendly neighbors and the privilege of being a neighbor to the flagship democracy of Israel .... Israel has no enlightened neighbors !

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:56 | 2993373 negative rates
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I was thinking more about her. You know, skippy, she spreads so easy.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:22 | 2993312 Monedas
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Skippy dog food was a nutritious blend of animal guts, ground bone, cereal grains, blood and gelatine ! I never liked using spoons in the dog food .... I used to cut both lids and push the meat loaf pellet out with my finger .... then pick out the lids from the dog's dish .... not a bad on the fly protocol for a seven year old !

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:52 | 2993323 JR
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“New intelligence indicates forces in Gaza may be manufacturing long-range rockets locally. If this is the case, a significant ground force offers the Israelis the best chance of finding and neutralizing the factories making these weapons.” –Stratfor (George Friedman)

The best chance? Not only is Stratfor giving the Israelis advice but now Zero Hedge is.

It seems only on weekends that we are treated to George Friedman's Goldman-connected intelligence reports. I can't get over Friedman's reputation of once advising Obama that his best 2012 re-election strategy would be to bomb Iran.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 20:30 | 2994723 optimator
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Remember what happened in Lebanon when those Israeli Merkava tanks rolled in as they had done many times before?  This time what was left of them were towed back out and that was the end of that invasion.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:00 | 2993332 JR
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This current Gaza war began with assassination; the Israelis refuse to talk to Hamas, the elected government, they just assassinate (like America).

We Are Complicit
Obama's Kill List Policy Compels US Support for Israeli Attacks on Gaza

The US was once part of the international consensus against extra-judicial assassinations. Now it is a leader in that tactic.

By Glenn Greenwald (excerpt)

November 15, 2012 "The Guardian" --  Israel's escalating air attacks on Gaza follow the depressingly familiar pattern that shapes this conflict. Overwhelming Israeli force slaughters innocent Palestinians, including children, which is preceded (and followed) by far more limited rocket attacks into Israel which kill a much smaller number, rocket attacks which are triggered by various forms of Israeli provocations -- all of which, most crucially, takes place in the context of Israel's 45-year-old brutal occupation of the Palestinians (and, despite a "withdrawal" of troops, that includes Gaza, over which Israel continues to exercise extensive dominion). The debates over these episodes then follow an equally familiar pattern, strictly adhering to a decades-old script that, by design at this point, goes nowhere.

Meanwhile, most US media outlets are petrified of straying too far from pro-Israel orthodoxies. Time's Middle East correspondent Rania Abouzeid noted this morning on Twitter the typical template: "Just read report in major US paper about Gaza/Israel that put Israeli dead in 1st sentence. Palestinian in 6th paragraph." Or just consider the BBC's headline. Worse, this morning's New York Times editorial self-consciously drapes itself with pro-Israel caveats and completely ignores the extensive civilian deaths in Gaza before identifying this as one of the only flaws it could find with the lethal Israeli assault: "The action also threatens to divert attention from what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly described as Israel's biggest security threat: Iran's nuclear program."

In what I know will be a fruitless attempt to avoid having this discussion subsumed by that tired script: I will recommend several outstanding, truly must-read pieces written by others over the last 24 hours in lieu of my own reciting of the various arguments. Begin with this article by Yousef Munayyer in the Daily Beast setting the crucial context for the rocket attacks from Gaza; then read this Daily Beast news-breaking account from Gershon Baskin, who details how the provocations from the Israelis were geared toward disrupting an imminent peace deal with Hamas ("The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the possibility of a long term ceasefire"); also vital is this time-line of events leading up to the rocket attacks from Gaza, with ample documentation from Ali Abunimah; and finally, there is this very succinct but poignant summary of what Israel has done over the last three week.

I want to focus on the US response to all of this. US policy always lies at the heart of these episodes, because Israeli aggression is possible only due to the unstinting financial, military and diplomatic support of the US. Needless to say, the Obama administration wasted no time expressing its "full-throttled support" for the Israeli attacks. And one can't help but notice the timing of this attack: launched just days after Obama's re-election victory, demanding an answer to the question of whether Obama was told in advance of these attacks and gave his approval.

Ultimately, though, Obama had no choice but to support these attacks, which were designed, in part, to extra-judicially assassinate Hamas military leader Ahmed al-Jabari as he was driving in his car (the IDF then proudly posted the video of its hit on YouTube). How could Obama possibly have done anything else?

Extra-judicial assassination - accompanied by the wanton killing of whatever civilians happen to be near the target, often including children - is a staple of the Obama presidency. That lawless tactic is one of the US president's favorite instruments for projecting force and killing whomever he decides should have their lives ended: all in total secrecy and with no due process or oversight. There is now a virtually complete convergence between US and Israeli aggression, making US criticism of Israel impossible not only for all the usual domestic political reasons, but also out of pure self-interest: for Obama to condemn Israel's rouge behavior would be to condemn himself…

In essence, what we find, yet again, is that the governments of the United States and Israel arrogate unto themselves the right to execute anyone they want, anywhere in the world, without any limitations, regardless of how many innocent civilians they kill in the process. "Rogue nation" is a term that is often casually tossed around in the discourse of foreign relations. Here, it is quite appropriate, and - when it comes to extra-judicial assassinations - clearly applies to the two countries who apply the term most frequently to others…

Obama - the killer of Anwar al-Awlaki, Awlaki's 16-year-old American son Abdulrahman, and countless other innocent men, women, teenagers and children - could not possibly condemn Israeli actions in Gaza without indicting himself. Extra-judicial assassinations, once roundly condemned by US officials, are now a symbol of the Obama presidency, as the US and Israel converge more than ever before: if not in interests, than certainly in tactics.

Glenn Greenwald is a columnist on civil liberties and US national security issues for the Guardian. A former constitutional lawyer, he was until 2012 a contributing writer at Salon.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:56 | 2993562 danepol
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One of the mysterries of life is how seemingly decent, intelligent western liberals like our friend above make bedfellows of medievalist muslim fundamentalsts who share singularly in common only their pathalogical hatred of Jews.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:06 | 2993776's picture

If I forced you to pay for my crap maybe you'd understand, mooch.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:22 | 2993881 1911A1
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Why are you so concerned with $3 billion in foreign aid?  That is an irrelevant number for the US Federal budget.


Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:51 | 2993959's picture

So the Zionists are only stealing the small amount of three billion dollars annually and that makes it OK? I'm opposed to all foreign aid while the moochers prattle on and on about how they deserve to take my money without my consent.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 09:44 | 2993361 Carl LaFong
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Attacks on Southern Israel & War mongering Israelis - May G-d continue to bless them as He has promised. 

  • +550 rockets have been fired at Israel since Nov. 14
    • Average of 10 per hour, or one every 6 minutes
    • 26 rockets exploded in built up areas
  • +1300 rockets have been fired at Israel in 2012.
  • +2800 rockets have been fired at Israel since 2009.
  • +12000 rockets have been fired at Israel in last 12 years.
  • Terrorists hold more than 10,000 rockets in Gaza.
  • 4.5 million Israelis, over half of the population, are under the threat of rocket fire.
  • Hamas rules the Gaza strip and is responsible for all that occurs in Gaza and all that is launched from there.
  • Hamas, supported by Iran, has wielded authority over the Gaza Strip since 2007.
  • I'm hoping for a lot of negative feedback for this. Please don't disappoint me.
  • "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." Bereishit (Gen) 12:3

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:05 | 2993379 Canucklehead
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Palestinians are the disapora of the old Babylonian and Persian empires.  They are not Arabs.  In ancient times when the Jewish homeland was invaded and the Jews cast out, these Babylonians and Persians moved in to take over.  No Arab country wants Palestinians to emigrate and join their population.  It is time to consider sending these people back from whence their forefathers came.  If the Palestinians can get along with the Iranians, maybe they should be shipped back to Iran.  The world can always consider re-establishing some sort of Byzantine/Outremere/Jewish land use in the area formally known as Gaza.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 10:43 | 2993417 JR
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Your ancient history is incorrect. And we are all familiar with modern times where Britain, to finally manage the 1918 Paris peace agreement, overrode French resistance and Wilson’s incredible weakness to inject the Jews into Palestine (and it was called Palestine).

Incredibly, Israel became a Jewish nation, not just for Israel, but for Jews all over the world whether they lived in Palestine or whether they lived in other countries.

The presence of the Megaphone Jews here on this blog, the spectacular control of America’s foreign policy and her elected officials and leverage over her currency, indicate the growing injection of the Jews in America. How long will it be before you, Canucklehead, are urging some world entity to move Americans to Iran?

Ironically, as Margaret MacMillan points out in Paris 1918, “The Balfour Declaration had promised such protection for what it called ‘the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,’ a curious formulation when Palestinian Arabs, most of them Muslim but including some Christians, made up about four-fifths of a population of 700,000.”

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 21:24 | 2994809 Canucklehead
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Palestinians are the disapora of the old Babylonian and Persian empires.

Israel is the Jewish homeland.  It's time to get on with life.  If the Gaza diaspora can't live with reality, send them back to Persia or Babylon.

The "Megaphone Jews" sound is simply the global clarion call that enough is enough.  Gaza is not pulling it's weight.  The continual whine from Hamas and Hezbollah is being tuned out by global citizens.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:33 | 2993429 downwiththebanks
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Why don't you compare the casualties inflicted by these homemade bottle rockets to the genocidal actions undertaken by the Zionist government using the weapons of slaughter given to them in the form of welfare from Uncle Sam?

Or of the blockade?

Or of the destruction of olive groves?

Or the assassinations of the democratically elected leadership in Gaza (or Arafat, for that matter)?

What makes the lives of White European land-thieves more valuable than indigenous Palestinians made into refugees by UN decree?  Do they worship the right sky-goblin?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:43 | 2993531 danepol
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Western liberals and mediavalist muslims; what very odd friends!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 13:57 | 2993825's picture

Israel kills innocent Muslims and steals money from American families. They have a common foe.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 14:06 | 2993848 downwiththebanks
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Look at Syria:  the Obamanation and alCIAda are boyz.

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