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Israeli Pinpoint Strike As Seen From "The Other Side"
Because while the IDF's "clinical, pinpoint" strikes as posted on the IDF's blog are one thing, here is how they look from the Gaza side...
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They are not having fun yet.
Staged
See my later comments on how to: "test your missile shield in time for an election in relation to Iranian war".
That post has a lot of downvotes as well, so meh. Canna let the truth out there Doctor!
“The Israeli Lobby owns the Congress, media, Hollywood, Wall Street, both political parties, and the White House. This kind of talk will get people fired by this lobby, as we have seen recently with White House correspondent Helen Thomas and CNN anchor Rick Sanchez. However, many Americans are growing tired of the arrogance of the Israel Lobby and their bigoted attitudes toward anyone who challenges their influence-peddling and their ridiculous insistence that Israel must be supported because of some ancient fairy tales involving some tribes who wandered the deserts of the Middle East and saw and heard non-existent things because of sun stroke, drinking bad water, and smoking local hallucinogenic plants.”
- Wayne Madsen
The Israeli Lobby owns the Congress, media, Hollywood, Wall Street, both political parties, and the White House
LOLOL!!! you left out that they own you and your pathetic existence too!
Ahhhh, I see we have a 28 week old newbie on the site. Did I strike a nerve newbie? There, there, take your truth medicine like a good little douche.
He had to douche after that nasty bout of Montezuma's Revenge.
Netanyahu (Unaware of Camera)"America Won't Get in Our Way..It's Easily Moved...80% of the Americans support us.."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw&feature=youtube_gdata_playerIsrael has rights to use proportionate defensive force to protect their people from attack, directed against ACTIVE COMBATANTS. Israel does not have the right to target civilians, shell civilians with phosphorus, target and shoot children in the back with targeted rifle fire yards from their home, or blockade civilians in containment zone on the same scope as the Warsaw ghetto.
When the united states did the same to the Indians, it was recognized by a few for the immorality that it was. Now we have laws governing warfare, established in the 1850s as the Geneva conventions on warfare.
Factions of Hamas have used rockets to indiscriminately target Israeli civilians, and should be condemned. Other factions of Hamas have targeted military IDF patrols (a legitimate target). In both cases the response from Israel is the same, indiscriminate bombing of gaza civilians.
Though both sides have committed crimes against international laws of war, and should be prosecuted, Israel has consistently proved to commit egregious acts far disproportionate to those committed by Hamas, in both depth and breath of criminality conducted by senior leadership of the Israeli government and IDF commanders including the dramatic blocking of humanitarian and medical aid. Hamas activity has been less coordinated, and more grass-roots.
From a historical perspective, the oppressed have indeed fillled the role of oppressor to almost the same level as they were previously. It is terribly tragic.
One full page of comments, one reasonable post. Thank you.
we have laws governing warfare.
You lose.. Tell you what. If there was ever a war that I was a participant of, I would tell you to take your "laws" and shove them "proportionately" up your ass. I'm coming out on top, mother fucker.. end of story.
What about the supreme law of the United States of America -- the US Constitution. It does not authorize the use of taxpayer money for foreign military build ups. It's even worse when we build up the military of people who have used the arms we gave them against our own men.
you're injecting context where there wasn't any with regards to America, its Constitution and any agreements of war. My point is that when there are rules in war, and you abide by them.. all parties must abide. If there is one party that doesn't, they will either survive the war or win it. ... rules in war.. how ridiculous. That's equivalent to the sport version of a fight for your survival. Ok, I want a good clean fight.. no eye gouging , no kicking below the belt. blah blah blah. In the back alley, I'm going to poke your fucking eyes out with the fingers that I rip off your fucking hand. Rules.. and war.. what a facade.
In an insurgency, not only maintaining the moral high ground is the right thing to do, but it is the only way to win, especially if you are the larger power. Winning an insurgency is about maintaining/ gaining legitimacy, and not losing.
This is pretty basic military history... Maybe it explains the us emphasis on hearts and minds in Iraq and Afghanistan. Conventional tactics cannot be used in an assymetric conflict, just ask anyone who served in Vietnam.
mmhmmm... you do that in a battle to say "I win".. History has shown that destruction or elimination of an indegneous population ensures that you can say that for a long time to come. Let me take over your house and see how it works out when I say "I won.. I get your bed room now and you can sleep on the couch". If I'm going take over your house, I'm going to make sure you're not around indefinitely . Now that's winning. The former is "compromise" based of rules.
There are consequences in post-modern times for the "elimination" of people. Technology and the capability to wage war is no longer a monopoly only enjoyed by governments. Technologies available to the assymetric warfighter especially when the world is against you, is substantial.
All that remains is to remove the logistics train of Israel (the USA). That can be accomplished through currency wars. Israel needs to recognize that they will not have us backing forever, and they better start being neighborly, or it will prove fatal in the long run.
No argument from me on this point. But my previous points still stand.
Although your avatar suggests enjoying conquest, it's still jarring to read it. Does that make us any better than the folks who want to tear down the sphinx now that they 'own' them?
Do you know who is depicted in the image? I assure you, however, you haven't the slightest of any clue as to why I chose it. That being said, it wasn't for any sort of love of conquest. DO NOT misconstrue my posts as any sort of love of anything other than reality.
war is no longer a monopoly...
.......?
But how do you feel about Israeli attacks which kill American servicemen with weapons donated by the US taxpayer?
I know exactly which rabbit hole you're going down with this. I'm not going down it.. my posts have nothing do with taking sides. I'm illustrating the hilartiy that is "Rules in war".
Yeah, don't support the troops.
I said I wasn't taking sides with my posts you fucking idiot. YOU are the one that wants to start that fight. Go fuck yourself. You have an axe to grind and you've proven that in a post below. So pardon me if I have no interest in debating what occurs in times of neutrality.
I understand your position. You will not condemn the use of US weapons by Israel to kill American servicemen because that would be taking sides and you won't do that.
This is the second time you've brought up the shell casings & the USS Liberty, I don't get it.
The USS Liberty was strafed, hit with 30mm cannon fire, torpedoed and napalmed. Its a miracle anyone survived at all...but what do find so convincing or mysterious about finding US manufactured shell casings on a US ship that returned fire with its own .50 guns?
The casings were probably from its own fifty cals.
Why don't you ask the USS Liberty survivors who made the observation? Perhaps there should be a hearing?
WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:
FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel's possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;
SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and
THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as
USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty's heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.
We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, USN, Ret.
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH
Former Commandant of the United States Marine Corps
Merlin Staring
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
James Akins
Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia"
http://www.ussliberty.org/summary_of_events.htm
What I'm saying is...its not unusual to find spent shell casings littering an area after firing an automatic weapon.
In fact its quite normal.
Equally normal, is finding US stamped casings on a US ship. Everyone knows Israel attacked the ship but its VERY unlikely the casings are from their aircraft...so I still don't get your connection, to the best of my reollection the Mirage IIIC didn't even have a machine gun, just the 30mm.
He's reaching for a fight and trying to suggest that people who won't investigate or see the reason to investigate are, by default, not American. He's being a prick about it and refuses to understand that the argument in this thread was not there for him, so he rendered it in a self destructive need for proving something to satisfy his own systemic paranoia.
I would consider the easy disregard of a man who will not denounce the continued supply of arms to a nation which has used those arms against American citizens to be self destructive. Unless you're one of those foreigners who hate us for our freedom to demand justice for these fallen sailors.
There can be no dis-regard where there is no fight. You entered this into a discussion where there was none to be had. In other words, go piss up a tree for trying to rouse suspicion of false patriotism with your idiotic attempt to ruffle my feathers. Honestly, unless you experienced both sides during this time of neutrality, then you haven't a fucking thing to say about it. Nor do I.
Why do you hate America?
What you're saying is that as one who did not witness the scene you are offering what you consider to be logical arguments which you believe may discount the actual experiences of US servicemen who did witness the event and have publicly spoken of what they saw that day in order to gain some share of justice for their fallen crew mates.
Suppose the shell casings found were not of a caliber associated with the defensive capabilities of Liberty? That's something which the survivors would be aware of while you would not.
If you want to find out for sure you can always contact your congressmen and ask that a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crew members; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty just as the Liberty survivors and the few friends they've got have asked you to do.
Apparently those folks know more than the few people who survived and witnessed it.
"Suppose the shell casings found were not of a caliber associated with the defensive capabilities of Liberty?"
Ummm, we are aware of what the Israelis used and what we used. Are you saying they were boarded? Seems Captain and crew would have noticed that...lol.
Face it Crockett...finding US casings on the ship (no matter the caliber) means nothing. It does sounds sensationlist though, maybe GW would be interested ;-)
Jet fighters (even if equipped with US or NATO ammunition, which they probably were) don't dive straight down at a target for there to even be a possibility of "casings" being dropped onto the deck.
So what's this really about?
You're saying they attacked it deliberately to keep the USS Liberty from relaying IDF communications back to DC during their war aren't you?
I'm saying that I've heard the men of Liberty speak for themselves. You can lull yourself to sleep with your hypotheticals but I suspect that your basic decency will win out in the end and that one day you too will seek justice for the men of Liberty.
Begin here:
USS Liberty Survivors
and other experts
in their own voices
http://www.ussliberty.org/voices.htm
The site is published by survivors of the attack on Liberty:
Who is Jim Ennes and why is he telling these awful lies about Israel?
Jim Ennes (James Marquis Ennes, Jr.), a survivor of the 1967 attack by Israel on the American intelligence ship USS Liberty and one of the creators of The USS Liberty Memorial Web Site, is an American citizen and a retired career US Naval Officer. He was born in New Jersey in 1933 and was raised in New York, Texas, Illinois, Washington State and California.
http://www.ussliberty.org/whoisjim.htm
No you're not. You're anti-Israel all the time, its pretty apparent.
You refuse to condemn Hamas or Hezbollah when they sling missles across the border expecting a sovereign nation to just sit back, show restraint and take it. You've already made your case that Israel shouldn't exist. They "stole the land" is your common refrain. You thinkin the "palestinians" dug tunnels under their border with Egypt to transport carrots & broccoli to their "starving children"?
Really?
Don't insult my intelligence while stooping so low yourself. I can see right through you on this and so can anyone else with even a modicum of common sense.
I have stated repeatedly that the rockets fired indiscriminately by Hamas are a violation of the Geneva Convention's ban on collective punishment. I have said that such attacks are "bad tactics, bad strategy and bad policy." It is you who can not admit that Israel is ever wrong and you are willing to discount the suffering of US servicemen, their families and friends in your support for a foreign power.
You have very cleverly said...indiscrimantely...on multiple occasions, yes, I have seen your partial objection. I also hope I never see you utter the phrase war monger for couching/concealing your condemnation so carefully.
Now you say I discount the suffering of US servicemen when I never said no such thing. Your appeal is to emotion here and not so much truth when you use that type of language.
What I THINK the servicemen really want is a more thorough investigation for what they suspect...isn't that what they are asking for? But this would require Israel, ultimately, to say they ordered their aircraft and boats to attack to avoid letting the seive (that is DC letting anyone (including their enemies) know their battle movements going on at that time...thats really what this boils down to isn't it?
Suffering?...really Crockett.
The language to which you objected is in fact a quote culled from the Geneva Convention itself:
I fear for your sanity when you object to a proper quotation from the document in question as being too "clever."
Yes, the 34 sailors who died on Liberty, the 171 wounded, their surviving crew mates, their families and friends have suffered as a result of the attack as well as the refusal of the nation which they served to honestly inquire as to how and why the Israeli attack on Liberty occurred. If that's an emotional appeal, so be it. The men of Liberty deserve better.
So, by any reasonable reading of the text, you would also include the other Hamas tactic of suicide bombers as "indiscriminate"?
It only requires a yes or no answer Crockett...a refresher...and you can't have it both ways.
"The brigades added that total number of the Jihadist operations conducted by its militants since the establishment of the movement reached to 1117, 87 were martyrdom operations, however, the number of the Zionist soldiers who were killed and injured by the hands of the Qassam Brigades mentioned in the stat as (7776).
http://qassam.ps/news-5188-Al_Qassam_carried_out_1106_operations_killed_1365_Zionists.html
A bomber who targets a military subject but does not take into account civilians in the area would be guilty of undertaking an indiscriminate attack. This scenario can be illustrated by the Zionist attack on the King David Hotel in 1946 which remains the most deadly terrorist attack in Palestine/Israel to this day.
A bomber who purposely targets civilians would not be engaged in an indiscriminate attack but rather a most discriminatory attack against innocent individuals. That scenario is also covered in the Geneva Convention protocols:
"A bomber who targets a military subject but does not take into account civilians in the area would be guilty of undertaking an indiscriminate attack."
And these guilty Hamas people who openly brag about sending these suicide bombers (per my link above) when EXACTLY are the people of "Palestine" and/or its government going to charge, arrest, prosecute and jail or execute the ones who gave them the cool little vests, target lists etc.?
When hell freezes over?
The Hamas government is openly saying they are violating your beloved Geneva Conventions aren't they? So now what?
All parties must be called on to stop violations of individual life and liberty. And I shouldn't have to pay for any of this crap. That's really all I'm asking for.
The real solution to the conflict, at least in Gaza, is to allow the Gaza port to be opened. Blockading the port is an act of war and is in direct violation of the rights of the vast majority of Gazans who are noncombatants to interact freely with the world at large. Israel can keep the Palestinians out of Israel and the Egyptians can keep them out of Egypt. But the civil population is entitled access to the sea through their own port. To deny them that access is an act of collective punishment and is condemned by the Geneva Convention.
When you lock up 1.7 million people in an open air prison you should expect some to become angry and violent. By allowing individuals access to trade they gain a more productive life and are more willing to protect that life by stopping extreme elements in the community themselves. When you lock up an entire population there is no motivation for anyone to try to stop militant activity. By removing the cause of Palestinian anger and despair you will reduce angry and despairing acts by Palestinians.
It could be undertaken slowly, step by step, with confirmations of compliance from each side as the process develops. The problem is that the US, which pays lip servcie to bringing peace and freedom to the world, has decided to not only avoid providing any real assistance to the conflicted parties in remedying the situation but also enables and emboldens Israel to act in a brazen and what is likely an ultimately self defeating manner.
In regard to your comment on the USS Liberty above:
Allow me to provide you with this piece of information regarding the reality of what happened on the day of the Israeli attack
Declaration ofWard Boston, Jr.,Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry’s investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS LibertyI, Ward Boston, Jr. do declare that the following statement is true and complete:
For more than 30 years, I have remained silent on the topic of USS Liberty. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them.
However, recent attempts to rewrite history compel me to share the truth.
In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General Corps, Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the brutal attack on USS Liberty, which had occurred on June 8th.
The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as “murderous bastards.” It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.
I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American.
I saw the flag, which had visibly identified the ship as American, riddled with bullet holes, and heard testimony that made it clear that the Israelis intended there be no survivors. 10. Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded — a war crime.
I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of “mistaken identity” despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Admiral Kidd told me, after returning from Washington, D.C. that he had been ordered to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Defense Department, and rewrite portions of the court’s findings.
Admiral Kidd also told me that he had been ordered to “put the lid” on everything having to do with the attack on USS Liberty. We were never to speak of it and we were to caution everyone else involved that they could never speak of it again.
http://www.ussliberty.org/bostondeclaration.pdf
Well, I can tell you, as a commander in such situation of subordinates murdering civilians unresponsive to my commands, I would swiftly draw my sidearm/ rifle and put a bullet in their head. Targeting of civilians cannot be tolerated.
+1
Hero.
Never once did I say that I, personally, would do such a thing. I am merely pointing out that historically, conquest was NOT about rules. Shit got fucked up and there was no patty cake in the battle field. Am I the only one here that recalls the brutality employed by our ancestors in their conquest of lands and hence the reason we are all here?
Unless you are prepared to go full evil, and kill everyone, men women children, infirmed, you won't win. It will remain stalemate, or you will lose. So basically you are advocating the israelis spin up the gas chambers and crematoriums. Don't think so buddy. That won't work either. Go read some more history, and more importantly psychology. It will help you regain some of that humanity you seem to have misplaced.
Again with the "putting of words in my mouth". I'm not suggesting Israel or America, or Egypt or fuckyouistan do ANYTHING of the sort. I'm merely making note that, and you correctly picked up on it (FINALLY), that the side that decides that rules are for pussies is going to win. So tell me, which side likes to cut off heads?
Have the Israelis or the Palestinians killed more Westerners?
Palestinians.
Untold thousands of Christian Pilgrims have been murdered at the hands of the palestinians since the time they embraced islam.
Let's see the documentation. I've provided multiple documents detailing the murder of Westerners by Israel.
it's a good thing "christians" haven't killed other peoples and faiths
Arafat's Massacre of Damour
read it.
...So tell me, which side likes to cut off heads?
So tell me which side has all the precision munitions but still slaughters thousands of civilians?
Your use of precision is not like that of a mathematic certaintly. You're woefully unable to quantify "precision" with regards to explosives. That aside, please tell me which side likes to set up shop in the courtyards of schools and hospitals and then claims shit like you state?
That's just basically a ringing endorsement for all muslim nations and Iran to aquire nuclear weapons as quickly as possible.
You are correct, it is possible that Israel could simply wipe gaza off the map and attain a technical win. However it would be a pyrrhic victory likely resulting in an open release of nuclear weapons with the state of Israel center-of-mass. if there is any level of sanity in that country's military, and I think there is, based on the former head of Mossad blasting the idea to invade Iran, they won't go that far.
It is frustrating to me because you know the IDF has some pretty bright people on staff, and in reserve that can put two and two together to see what the likely result will be after continued escalation. There have to be some remaining staff officers that can look down this course of action, that is unless they are all so blinded by ideology they can't see the likely end-state modes.
This whole thing is stupid on every level. it's just insane.
On this, we can agree.
not sure history supports that blanket rule. Nazis ignored a few rules. The side that wins has a lot to do with resource, timing, luck, and the growing tolerance or (more important) intolerance of both the affected and observing people.
and well said sgt
Hitler had something of the same idea...
another excellent, well-argued post Sgt. - particularly appreciate the thoughtful use of upper & lower case letters. . .
with regards the "Geneva conventions on warfare" - these "rules" have been and are regularly ignored by the bullies of the world, as I'm sure you're aware.
http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/the-issues-relating-to...
depleted uranium is clearly a Weapon of Mass Destruction, yet is being used right now, today. . .
Thank you, and you are correct, depleted uranium (DU) is widely used in a number of weapons systems, and in a lot of cases, the flight crews load aircraft with whatever is easily at hand. Consequences, especially at that time didn't even cross their minds.
Okinawa, in fact, is littered with DU rounds on the mountain sides from training exercises, but that's another story. Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have been experiencing all sorts of health problems, quite predictably from the firing of DU rounds, cancers, leukemias and other problems. It was especially bad for infantry, CAV and other units that implemented vehicle mounted guns with those rounds.
The soldiers (on both sides), civilians, and future residents pay in spades for the use of this ordnance. They are akin to the land mines that litter countrysides for decades after a conflict, but with a longer lifespan.
respect.
Now.... I'm trying to remember...... Who escalated this in the first account.
Big difference when one side has rocks and slings and some fire crackers that could not hit the side of a barn... and the other has high tech weapons satellites and a well equiped Army and security that prevents even the passages of clean water and daily fuel needs. The Pally's live in a jail under a strong hob heeled Boot.
And I'm sure this was planned to enrage
Israel has every right to stop the Hamas rocket attacks. So you have no point...
Just like you have the right to blow out someone's kneecaps with a shotgun who just gave you a bloody nose for being an asshole.
When you live in a dangerous neighborhood, you have to expect an occasional bloody nose. That doesn't give you the right to open up on the neighborhood with an AA-12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WOoUVeyaY_8
Is everyone here mis-spelling Israel on purpose? It "is real" of course...as real as that massive explosion. and don't mistake my views for cheer leading either. an "unsecured internet" aids only one people on the planet. with the advent of "cloud computing" on a commercial scale "that window will now close for them." for those "long their way"...thank you for playing...and LOSING.
No, it's not "Is Real" - it's Isis-Rah-Baal.
Its Occupied Palestine. P-a-l-e-s-t-i-n-e
Funny, I thought it was Israhell...
Everyone? I simply scrolled up a tick and saw that the SgtShaftoe has spelled Israel correctly. You'll see others have done so as well.
...as real as that massive explosion.
Still I would call that pinpoint, they took out one section..............not the entire complex, Israel is not stupid, they try to do the least amt of damage possible and still take out the aggressors, WE of all people know that civies are always known as collateral damage(and God knows we have taken out way more than Israel ever has).
Remember pics of the Iraqi highway after the initial bombing runs?.I am sure all those cars were soldiers.
I'm no expert, but the video shows a large fireball and at least three secondary explosions. An Israeli missile with a high-explosive warhead would generate one 'bang', but high explosives don't create a fireball. Rocket propellent does, though. Perhaps the fireball came from remaining rocket propellant in the Israeli missile. But the size of the fireball, and the secondary explosions, suggest to me that Hamas rockets were present.
No, FUCK ALL SIDES.
And unlike the Foucaltian clinical evolution of psychological discipline and punish, we have real footage on the other side (of the other side) to chronicle brutality (by both sides).
Israel has killed more Westerners than Palestinians have. It's personal.
The arabs value life a LOT less than Israelis...and Westerners in general..do. Which both explains, and makes even, the typical 100:1 or higher ratio of casualties when western armies mix it up with any sort of arabs.
What does Arab sentiment toward life, however you might characterize it, have to do with the fact that Israel has killed more Westerners than Palestinians have?
Here's John Spicher who went to school with my mother. He was hit by rocket fire on the deck of Liberty and died after receiving aid from his crew mates.
http://www.ussliberty.org/spicher.htm
Ulluh, Ulluh, Ulluh
BAMFUCKINGBAMFUCKINGBAM!!!!!!!!
Nice work boys, keep it up!
You will one day deeply regret your comment and sentiment, guaranteed.
ignorant asshole can't spell Israel & the rest of you blind sheep voted up. Sad
I hate the mother fucking, piece of shit Israeli Gov, may thier children all die of plague and they all rot in hell.
Why the fuck is a bankrupt U.S. giving those sacks of shit a dime?
Thats scary as.. however criticizing israel for using pinpoint strikes that may kill civilians is a bit off..
given that qassam aim to kill anyone at all..
Presumably you also consider slingshots to be equivalent to high-powered rifles.
ever seen someone stoned to death? didn't think so...
Actually yes, in Saudi many years ago.
Modernization is a wonderful thing.
The poor adultress was buried upto her neck in sand, then a dump truck full
of rock was released, all at once, on her head.Is that more, or less humane
than old sparky ?
When in Rome........
And a child hurling stones, a threat to soldiers riding inside tanks. Yes, that's how they see it. They indeed are that mentally ill.
They were not expelled from 109 places since 250 AD for nothing.
Thank you~!
Violence begets violence.
It's easy to take such a clueless moral pose when the Qassam rockets are falling in someone else's neighborhood, but it's truly amazing how long Israeli leftists have been saying this.
One lefty professor refused to wake up until a Muslim blew himself up in the college cafeteria. There just happened to be a pillar between him and the bomber, but he got splattered with his students' brains.
I had the same epiphany when 9/11 happened and Palestinians danced in the street. The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.
Straight out lie that palestinians were dancing on 9/11. Arafat denounced it.
There were, however, the "Dancing Israelis" arrested in New Jersey on 9/11.
But you know these things, yes?
Straight out truth, and it took me ten seconds to find the proof on YouTube. You'll have to do better than that.
Arafat denounced 9/11 in English, and faked a blood donation for the victims. The news organizations never aired those videos again; they have too many reporters on the ground to risk it.
YouTube is your solid reference?
It could only be clearer if you shot yourself in the head.
The clip I found shows what appears to be a genuinely shocked Arafat expressing condolences to America. Where's your documentation that Arafat's blood donation was faked? If he wanted to falsely claim that he had donated blood in honor of the victims of 9/11 why would he stage a false drawing of blood in public rather than simply draw actual blood in public and then toss away the blood on the sly afterwards?
It's not logical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBCUIurDtjg
Arafat fancied young men, bareback, and died of complications of the AIDS virus and of his extravagant lifestyle built on thuggery on the one side and selling the palesitinian identity story to guilt ridden western liberals on the other side. There is no palestinian people. There are a load of arabs, some fraction of which have been labeled victims and horribly mistreated...principally by arab countries that have labeled them as palestinians. The west and Israel on the other hand have showered "aid" on them, permitting the crazy birht rates they've had for six decades or whatever it is now in "refugee camps" that resemble, um, cities.
Where's your documentation?
It's a fact asshole, no arab cuntry welcomes Palies but one country, Israel allows them EVERYTHING from FREE medicine and hospital care to shelter food and even full time assimilation in their Army. However you're just a rascist so fuck you crackermanac
"9/11 Dancing Israelis?" This is an interesting story. The day after 9/11, I was watching all the news very closely and I do actually remember news of these Israeli citizens being arrested after a woman saw them dancing and cheering as they watch the towers burning. Police arrived and they were taken under arrest. The Israelis later complained bitterly about being very badly treated during their confinement. I gather the police were quite absusive to them. But the Israeli lobby and it's USA allies were quick to get them out of jail and back to safety in Israel. We will never know what their involvement was, but it is clear they were Mossad and were tracking suspected Muslim extremists in the NY area.
Why were they dancing and high fiving eachother as the woman who called the police testified they were doing? We can easily imagine. The joy of dying Americans? Why so happy. I was not happy on 9/11, why were they? Anyone know?
The dancing israelis were Mossad agents. They later admitted on israeli TV that they were there to tape the event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVdAOmUduEQ&feature=related
http://libertyfight.com/2012/dancing_israelis_sued_the_govt_but_lost_in_court.html
Cabot, another fucking pilgrim.
What a complete load of bullshit. The palestinians were dancing and honking their horns like crazy in Paterson, NJ and it's on tape but hey, you hate Israel so lie and pretend it didn't happen. And the Dancing Israelis is a bunch of made up innuendo that never went anywhere ANYWHERE
Behold the birth of terrorism.
Meet the parents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg9fENkC1IA
AIQ: check this Iraqi Jewish writer on Palestine & Zionism from NY, his name is Jonathan Azzizah
He will be the next Chomsky & Finkelstein .
http://www.maskofzion.com/
Thanks for the link.
UK newspapers like the Guardian and the Independent have stopped all comments on the Gaza conflict. Apparently, the comments were not running the way the editors/owners preferred.
Besides, Rupert Murdoch has tweeted:
Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
The Independent newspaper is Jewish-owned. Don't know about the Guardian.
The comments are pulled usually because anti-semitic rants and lies are constantly spread by the AIDS movement also knows as Anti-Israel Derangement Syndrome. Basically, there are people who have no shame in spreading lie after lie about Israel, damn the truth, damn discussion, damn anything that doesn't agree with their warped viewpoints.
Israel as a nation does not have an existential problem, but Jewsh society in Israel does due to a crumbling adherence to Judaism due to mixed marriages, secularism as well as the effects of the American way of life against which the Jewish state always releases proaganda warning its young.
Christians in Europe are faced with a simikar given the birth rates of muslims as opposed to Christians.
The trend is not a friend between those who cling to what they have and those who aspire to what they don't have.
At least business people in centuries gone past had the good sense to allocate Friday to the Muslims, Saturday to the Jews and Sunday to the Christians, so everybody could have a day off from the shop.
Allow me to explain the problem that the Jews have.
There are about 4% psychopaths in the population of mankind and Jews have their fair share. The problem is that Jews have an above average IQ, some estimate as high as 115. So they have very high-function psychopaths.
Most people don't like being screwed over by the manipulating, controlling, or murdering behavior of psychopaths - eventually they wise up and turn on them.
The over intelligent, over achieving, Jewish Psychopaths are in the public's sight now and the rest of the Jewish population, as it has happened many times before, are destined to become collateral damage.
So I'm smarter than the average Jewish person? That's one up on Yogi, although I wouldn't consider myself to be particularly exceptional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqyax6gwzQ
No it is tyranny of the majority and selling out. At least Sheldon takes the money and donates it to Israel most recently hooking Obummer for a bill back in April for The Dome which paid handsomely. Israel is the safest place on Earth and Israelis will attest to it. BTW the deal was Israel would not bomb Iran b4 the election ( it had no intent but scared the piss out of OB ) if USA paod for the Dome. Notice right after the election the Dome was tested so no money went to waste ;)
If you want to know who controls you, just figure out who you are not allowed to criticize.
In America, many politicians raise their voice in opposition of the President of the United states, yet none dare raise their voice to criticize Israel.
In the UK and many American papers, comment section are commonly disabled when the topic of Israel is discussed. It is an attempt to stifle opposing voices.
Who owns you? He whom you cannot criticize. That's who.
That's quite a good point alien-IQ. I have noticed this myself and tend to draw the same conclusions as you. Why the special treatment for some by the media, when even the US president can be called a man who pals around with terrorists, or is an alien Muslim born in kenya and anti American. Mr. Bush was savaged in the media and on the internet, yet any criticism of Israel in mainstream media is quickly censored.
Holy fuck.. God forbid I say someting bad about Islam.. such as "it's a disgusting religion of hatred".. lest I be berated over such criticism. Does that mean they control me too?
I think a more accurate statement would be find out who you cannot criticize for fear of personal harm. I'd say the jews are far more tolerant than the muzzies.
Wake me up when they start appointing muzzies to the fed instead of Jacob Lew to replace Tim Geithner. Then I will turn my attention to the new masters.
the Guardian has, shall we say, history with known Bilderberg'rs & UN-Agenda storytellers being given "guest posts" etc. - they usually have to close the comments there too, as folks are waking up all over, sharing what they've witnessed, what they've read, etc.
it's a form of controlled opposition, apparently losing that control . . .
Any other nation in the world would carpet bomb Gaza to smithereens and kill everybody for firing rockets into populated areas in Israel. In over a thousand pinpoint strikes by IDF only a dozen or so civilians died. How is this for not being careful?
Check your facts.
Any other nation in the world would carpet bomb the United States to smithereens and kill everybody for firing rockets into populated areas in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Serbia and dozens of other countries.
One thing for sure; Zombie's moralization switch is stuck in the on position, rendering any logical thought impossible.
I can pinpoint the present better than that. Now wait a minute it was there a minute ago.
The psych ops word's "Pinpoint" and "clinical" used on MSM and R T today by the with Israeli Defense Ministry Spokesman said like 3 times per every sentance . Plus he mention that the put flyers to warrn about Israeli strikes ...Gee thats was nice of them wtf
OT: Anyone else think this will collapse into it's own footprint at free-fall speed?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234694/Flames-engulf-luxury-34-...
Only if yid trash like Larry Silverstein was involved
That's what ya get for confusing microwaving a traditional Arab dinner with a soiled diaper
And why did the camera just happen to be aimed right in the direction of the blast? Was it a munitions factory that was targeted - resulting in such a big explosion? Self-rightous ZH can be just as biased as the rest of the MSM.
Targets are pre-announced to get civilians out of the way.
Interpret that as best suits your views...
OMG no wonder people think Israel is so bad - what evil, evil nation would pre-anounce their targets to get civilians out of the way.
We announce austin0388 as the next target. Since you probably don't like your neighbors, might as well just skip telling them.
kind of hard to pinpoint a 1k pounder.
I just don't see as much sympathy for the Gazans this time around though now that they have the firepower to hit Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Meanwhile, the Arab World has never seemed weaker or more hypocritical than they do now. They scream rage at Israel for 50 dead yet are pretty damn silent for 30,000 dead Syrians and the millions made homeless and dispossessed by Arab/Muslim hands.
You say that like you think Arabs are a single people.
The whole damn world has gone bat shit crazy. WWIII has begun just by proxy @ the moment. I expect a major city could be FF'ed any time then it's on.
Poor bastards.
Israel under Netanyahu has gone mad. There are some good speculative reasons here as to why Israel has launched an all out assault on the Palestinians. There are still elements that are missing.
Palestinian President Abbas has abandoned his residence out of concern that it is on the war pounding, nihilistic Bombing List of targets and about to be destroyed. He has gone into hiding. He had no other choice due to the extreme conditions and dangers present.
Israel bombed the and destroyed the center for most of the Palestinian media outlets. The warmongers do not want the real word to get out about how vicious and relentless their bombing and attacks have been. To date, over 40 people have been killed. The majority of those killed have been CHILDREN. (The average age of a Palestinian is below 18). PressTV Iran’s media offices have also been bombed yet the facility remains functional at last word.
Israel is amassing 75,000 Reserve troops and seems prepared for a ground invasion. Palestine has been bombed from the air, from warships off the coast and from land. The Palestinians have no formal military at all. They lack the basics for survival. They are short on food, water and especially medical supplies.
Where this is going is a descent into madness. Any objective observer would say it sure seems like they want to literally wipe out Gaza and all of its inhabitants. At best, Israel wants to lay most of Gaza to waste and rubble. Israel is acting like a demonic child that does not want to see the neighboring land they live and work next to intact any longer.
Yes, it may have to do with the vote for UN Observer Status that Palestine is up for. It may also be related to crazed Netanyahu’s upcoming election. And, it could all be a prelude to continuing these atrocities all the way to Iran. That being said, what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is a terrorist crime of mass dimensions. Is the Western media reporting this genocide?
Going from 50 dead to extinction is a bit of a stretch even for delusional anti-zionists. Then again, maybe not. Damn facts and logic, I've got Israelis to blame!!!!!
There's that name calling again, another argument lost.
Netanyahu is, in large part, sending a message to Obama.
The following should be repeated like a mantra until it becomes etched in the American conscience:
"Before the creation of Israel, America had no enemies in the middle east."
Feel free to ignore American History. From the halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli. I guess Tripoli isn't in the Middle East. I guess Thomas Jefferson never hater Muslims. Oh well, damn facts and logic, I've got jews to blame.
"I guess Tripoli isn't in the Middle East"
That would be correct. It is in north Africa.
So is Egypt. So is Libya. So what? Muslims have been at war with the West since the Moors tried to take over the world. Convert or die........ that Prime Directive from the Koran has been getting Muslims killed for eons.
Seige of Vienna, 1683.
September 11, 1683 to be precise...
Not a coincidence....
Twice, not a coincidence.
2001, 2012
Amazing so much cultural ignorance by so many of such significance.
here's one of many links to the nine eleven events over time
http://www.historyorb.com/events/september/11?p=2
it's not so slanted as some sites, so it's possible to scan for items of interest. . . I like these:
then, of couse, there's three eleven, which includes some very interesting historical world events, including Fukushima earthquake. . .
http://www.historyorb.com/events/march/11
So 26 delusional idiots have decided that the Israel Egypt wars were not Middle East conflicts. Fantastic.
Well, since "Israel" was was "created" many thousands of years ago, you are correct. But you also give the impression of being an idiot.
you mean, back when the Tribes of Israel carried out a policy of genocide against the Canaanites?
Yes, you have the point exactly. By the way, that genocide thing doesn't work so well, does it? Otherwise the Jews would have been gone almost as long ago. Always seems like a couple of the creeping vermin (of your choice) get away!
LOL Qassam rocket impact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vnSm2pRcbg
Quickly, Amed.. point the camera over there. I have a feeling a rocket will hit it..
*BLAM*
EUREKA!!! I'M A PROPHET!!!
Tonight’s program–The latest butchery in Gaza by Israel as YET ANOTHER installment of Jewish ritual murder
Targeting Civilians – Israel’s Specialty
Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda
The Wall Street Journal noted in 2009:
Israel: Stems from Theodor Herzl
Hamas: Stems from the Egyptian Brotherhood
Hezbollah: Stems its power from Iran
&
Al Qaeda: Is a well known American fairy tale.
Don't create what you don't want because you just might get it good and hard.