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For Greece: "Nothing Is Gonna Be Alright"
During a week in which Americans are supposed to give thanks, we thought this inside look at the reality on the streets of Greece was worthwhile comprehending. From the May 2011 Syntagma Square uprising to "the 'firesale' of their country, their labor rights, and their livelihoods to corrupt domestic elites and foreign financial interests" the brief documentary follows the dramatic portrait of a country veering to the brink of collapse - and the people who choose to struggle to build a new world from the ruins of the old. "For [the elites] Greece is a guinea pig, to find out up to what point they can 'milk' [us]" is how one narrator describes the situation, adding that "they are refusing to see the reality [saying] it's not happening, it's not happening, it's not happening, everything is gonna be alright; Nothing is gonna be alright" as "loans enslave people." Utopia remains on the horizon...
The Greek people are suffering from two contradictory collective feelings: Fear and Rage.
Some disturbing images and deep introspection here...
English subtitles but mostly English spoken...
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But Jim Rickards says they EU will last forever?
Kleptocrats hate Karl Rove because of Karl Rove's failures. They also hate Karl Rove for being a fat, ugly loser.
I don't understand why there hasn't been a civil war in Greece?
Technically, fear and rage are not contradictory, nor are they "collective feelings." Like all feelings, they are within the individual.
How many times do thousands of economists have to say leave the Euro, go bankrupt, and restrict national government spending to 18% of the GDP.
People all over the world need to understand government is a luxury, not a way to make a living. Government is a drag on the economy. The smaller government is the more money in the private sector that will go to people who will produce things other people want.
I wish the Greeks all the best.
Y = C + I – G + NX
Please correct any errors you see below with my limited understanding of the situation:
It seems to me that the Eurozone, like the United States, is a Federation. There is no constitutional mechanism for a country to voluntarily leave. If this is correct, then in order for a country to leave, a constitutional amendment would need to be passed, which would require 100 percent support from all member governments.
It is not a simple thing for the majority of people in one country to say "let's leave" and it is done, just like a State in the United States cannont unilaterly choose to leave. The last time States tried to voluntarily leave the United States, they were defeated in a long war and forced to remain within the Federation.
ICELAND HAS SHOWN THE WAY.
So, WHICH Euro-country is gonna supply the troops to keep Greece in the Euro-zone?
Hint: They couldn't even agree about the Balkans in the 1990's, without helpful arm-twisting from NATO.
I like Greece...been there a couple of times, enjoyed it
I've supported the resistance movement
I love the Riot Dog
I think the police should be ashamed of themselves..
BUT...COULD THEY HAVE PICKED A BETTER SPOKESPERSON THAN AN OPERA SINGER WHO WISHES SHE COULD LIVE ON GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS!! I CAN'T HANDLE LISTENING TO HER!! MOVE TO AMERICA LADY AND GIVE AMERICAN IDOL A SHOT. Simon will give you his honest opinion.
I operate under the conditions if Rage and Revenge.
because most of the greek people, like most of the people in the U.S., are not able or willing to see reality for what it is (yet)... the reality is that most of the world's governments are firmly under the control of a small cabal that has used the central bank system to take control from the inside, and destroy any country that stands in the way. these psychopaths see humans as cattle, and have very dark plans in mind should their bid for total control be sucessful. yes fighting back is going to be ugly and you may suffer.... but, if humanity does not stand up... it will be far worse.
Translation, people need to find the source, central bankers, and kill them. Until the central bankers suffer they will hide behind the printing press and make others suffer.
This video gives you the exact reasoning. Other than the old man, these people are neutered. They are sheep. They are being led to slaughter, and told that their braying is a true "struggle" against their masters. They use words like "fight" and "changed" and "struggle", but it was all so much mental masterbation.
Greece may not turn into Nazi Germany, but they could turn into Mussolini Italy.
The old man had more balls than the "let's go dance at the concert guys" crowd, daz for sure.
....these people are neutered. They are sheep.
If I got the story straight, George Papandreou was "replaced" with Lucas Papademos (Bankster) after Papa wanted a referendum vote of the sheeple. The EU said NO and Papa was shown the door. The day that happened was the day the Greeple lost everything, especially any degree of self respect. Now they snivel over ancient history and Ouzo.
They won't revolt until the ones getting everything is the pensioners, lose
Call me when they start burning banks and bringing killdozers to these protests.
For those of you unfamiliar with the killdozer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA
enjoy!
Because they're still clamoring for a free lunch... they're still desperate to keep the perpetual motion machine churning.
Civil war happens when enough people finally decide that the free lunch doesn't exist and that in order to have any chance at autonomy and what they deem as liberty, they decide to roll their own. Of course, the irony, is that in setting up a successor government, they'll be sowing the seeds of history... to repeat itself upon maturity... in the end, justification being that it simply feels better to have a different person whipping them.
Greece had an ancient method of implementing law(s):
"Anyone wishing to propose a new law had to do so while standing on a public platform with a rope around their neck. If the law was passed, the rope was removed. If the law was voted down, the platform was removed."
And I cant stand Rickards for that. Also said Libya gold is somewhere on a US army base. The otherwise likable Rickards deserves to be piled into the undesirable pile with the rest of the globalists.
Greece stop being so sad and depressed...take back your country, disorderly default on the debt and rebuild in a Greek way. FFS. People are so inertly dependant on the system it's sad.
What is the difference between the path chosen between Iceland and Greece and the outcome between the two.
Who is in control now? Who are slaves now?
Banksters and politicians should be afraid, very afraid
If Greece wants to follow the path of Iceland it will have to do much more than refuse payment and put bankers on trial. It will also have to be disciplined and work productively like the Icelanders. If Greeks that they can go back to their corrupted system and their debt fuelled life styles, they are sorely mstaken.
Climate has a lot to do with it. If you are a slacker in a cardboard box in Iceland, you will die.
But in Greece, it's not a bad life, especially when Germans are giving you grocery $
I bet they could find a way to be corrupt in any regime, with or without debt. I have great faith in the Greek people.
Didn't see this in MSM - lots of protests throughout the PIGGS last week:
http://www.zcommunications.org/14n-millions-join-largest-european-strike...
it's like the unions here in the US-their idea of economics is just to have the govt print it and come up with one-guy-dig-a-hole-and-the-next-guy-fill-it jobs programs
Otto Skorzeny... Google the name everybody
regardless of politics...
the man was a true "mensch"!
That doesn't surprise me - the mainstream media doesn't even seem to care that there is a chance our President let four Americans, government employees in fact, die horrific deaths in Benghazi...while we had military personal ready and more than willing to do something about it.
They either go out of their way to not report things like this, or they are too busy kissing Barry's ass to notice that he really is just another politician and not the second coming of Christ.
They make me sick - I really don't know how they sleep at night after Benghazi.
I can't see how they sleep after Fast & Furious--a lot of people got killed with those guns, not just one or two US Border Patrol agents, but a lot of invisible Mexicans who don't matter to the media.
Seriously dudes? After 9/11, the Iraq yellowcakes/mobile anthrax/WMD and tens of thousnds of dead/maimed soldiers and you wonder how Washington psychopaths can sleep at night after a couple of dead border agents and 4 embassy staff? Ok then, usually you have a scotch and watch SportsCenter, squeeze out a couple of pages on your book about "tough decisions" and your "heavy heart", pop an Ambien and sleep like a f*cking baby.
I was referring to the media and their lack of coverage of Benghazi.
But I agree re phsychopaths...
No possible way out of this bankruptcy and debt mess ever...EVER....but there was reports of some politicians smiling after a brief conference call so UP you go stawks!!
he just adjusted his butt plug
Choice of possible outcomes:
1. Pretend and extend
2. More Debt
3. Inflation / Deflation
4. War
5. Various combinations of the above
So many choices.
6. Austerity + Growth
real austerity, not lip-service, to shrink government spending and pay down public debt, combined with private sector growth.
Look at the pictures closer. They were cheering an Angry Birds level they just finished.
It gives people hope and a sense of purpose.
I liked the video very much. Thanks for the posting.
There's a difference between a sense of purpose, and a purpose. The two are not the same. These people's sense of purpose is as based in reality as their sense of security was 3 years ago, and their sense of prosperity was 4 years ago.
"loans enslave people." True, if they borrow for something they want but don't necessarily need.
Food enslaves people as well. Look at the lines of cars at a McDonald's in the morning. Amazing...
Theres a McDonalds nearby...I don't EVER see a line at it longer than 3 cars. And from what I remember their earnings weren't too stellar.
So food enslaves people? Funny, I don't remember ever being at the service of my food.
stop by sometime, meet a fellow ZH'er and milk my Guernsey cow with me. Twice a day, everyday, regardless of weather or health.
;)
No cars at the McDonalds across the street from In N Out Burger--ever
Depends on where you live. Here there is always a long line because McDonald's feeds the neighborhood.
If I had all the food, and you had none. And I had a way to protect it from you. Guess what I could get you to do. That being said, at the present one
can just walk into a grocery store and eat an apple off the shelf right there in the isle without much if any repocusions. But what happens when that goes away.
If the supply of money can be loaned at will then that supply of loaned money controls the distribution of power. Loaned money by its nature is destructive unless lending it does not include the intention to control. Central banks are destructive and primative. They are not appropriate for today's world and are very dangerous because they have failed to adapt to the technological world we live in. Also, they are run by very primative groups of people (groups of undifferentiated individuals.)
MDB is right. The more food you eat, the more you need to eat just to stave off the hunger. Just like debt - and society has a distinct inability to go on a diet. Suspiciously like the vast majority of the population is obese, so is the collective thought processes of the Western world.
If critical thinking were full of nutrients, most Ignorati's brainz would have died from starvation long ago.
I remember the Cruiseline warning about Athens daily labor protests back in 1992. Twenty years have passed and they still have not figured out there is no more bacon in the pocket.
Its happenning to Greece for a reason...symbolic.
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No offence, but if it was happenning more in Hungary, Slovenia, Albania, etc...basically some smaller, not as historical nation - it would lack the 'punch' and noone would care as much.
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Society=hijacked...the masses=asleep.
Would it help the Baltic Dry Index and my DRYS if I start exporting glass bottles to Greece? Seriously-these guys never run out
Once gas prices go up suddenly, which seems very likely to happen at some point fairly soon, I think we'll begin to see the feds show their cards.
All it will take is for Syria/Gaza/Iran to not-go-as-planned, and suddenly no one can afford to fly or fill the tank and everything but gmo corn costs 50% more than it did the month before.
We might start seeing a little bit of Greece at New Jersey gas stations.
Maybe shortly thereafter, we'll start seeing what 750 million rounds of hollow point are handy for.
can't we just turn more cattle feed into fuel? whoops-that hasn't worked.
Depends what you do with the loan. An if you had the intention to pay it back.
Why has that very basic idea been lost? Integrity.
The real greeks would incorporate "xenia" into their relationship with the EU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(Greek)
Paging Dr. Faust ...
Snoop Dog is mulling taking a stake in Celtic Glasgow... The Eurozone is saved...
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1232183/snoop-lion-says-he%27s-mulling-buying-stake-in-glasgow-celtic?cc=5901
Ahh, Greece, Isreal, Spain...who gives a rats ass. The US stock market is soaring. Life is grand. These Euro people have no clue. They need to follow the fed and....
OK sarcasm off. If I just had a dollar for every time I heard something is gonna collapse!!!
Yes. One of the main reasons people will be caught unaware by any collapse is because the bears spend all day every day crying wolf & convincing you the sky is falling. It never does, until the day they are right because booms and busts are inevitable in this economy. With bulls blowing smoke up your ass and bears crying wolf day-in-day-out, there is still no way for an amateur (or most professionals) to know what to do from moment-to-moment. Sometimes it's better to unlearn what you know and realize we live under an omnipotent global politburo who will get whatever it desires. The trick is reading between the lines and figuring out what they really desire.
And if that thing they desire is yer carcase on a platter?
Left-leaning rubbish...
..by the way...is there an English accent more irritating than the way Greeks speak English?
For fuck's sake, socialism brought us here..
...what are Greeks demanding?...more socialism of course..WTF?
Remember the main rule in Greece (KAF in Greek) Someone else is at fault....
the bankers must be resisted in all forms including violently...
resist or remain forever debt slaves...
Greeks, and all the rest...
FUCK ALL BANKERS AND THEIR AGENTS - THE POLITICIANS.........
... What an original thought... I wonder why on one has presented a similar idea before?
Violence does't work-only in case of self defence. There are other, much more efficient ways. but, it takes political awarenes and determiation.
They just don't want the bill of their massive party, It's probably 28 minutes of scapegoating.
tR
TRY 28 YEARS!
Time for the Greeks to set up a People's Court , and publish charges against their politicians , banksters and the EU polticians.
That would make their message clear to the Elites as well as educating the less informed.
Oops .... didn't France do that once ?
;-)
Add some hardware -- instant cooperation!
So, the U.N. is going to be a giant armed debt collection agency?
Golden Dawn bitchez!!!
Amen
Just hope you dont need to traverse their territory any time soon....
touche!
Unwatchable. Talkin lound and saying nothing.
Guess you expect the Revolution to be televised...
Coming to a theatre near you sheeple!
So much talent there going to waste....while the deficits mount. Nothing is gonna be alright!
HATE - maybe its time to embrace it ?
maybe some banker's heads will roll
This Friday Greece is supposed to go bankrupt. NO WAY. In the ultimate second, the ECB will step in or some kind of agreement or can kicking will be placed. Some goes for the fiscal cliff: it will simply be postponed with half a year. And again. And again.
You missed the news last week. Greece placed some 4 week paper that will fund the payment Friday. The EU has until early December to approve the tranche.
The German ideology behind austerity;
http://www.germanywatch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/german-economic-imperialism-social.html
When are people going to accept responsibility for taking loans? For getting credit to fuel speculative endeavors?
There is this complete dissociation of what is deemed a speculative endeavor in popular culture and what really is a speculative endeavor... if you borrow to buy a house, then you're a speculator.... if you borrow to go to school, then you're a speculator... see the common theme here?
In the end, it's simply one big argument from popularity or authority... more people speculate by doing X, therefor, it's not really speculating.
If you don't want a drug addiction, then tell the pusher to go fuck himself when he offers.
"When are people going to accept responsibility for taking loans? "
When people understand the fiat system.
I don't need to understand virtually any intricacy of the economy to understand that my income stream for 30 years is not necessarily guaranteed... and that over the course of 30 years, there can be substantial swings in economies. In other words, if I bring home $3k/mo... and my mortgage is $2,000/mo... then I necessarily know (from a rudimentary understanding of math) that if I slip, at all, then I'm toast and, likely, any appreciation along with it. If I know all my neighbors are in the same boat, then what does that say for the stability of my neighborhood? Town? County? State?
There is some degree of learned helplessness... but that is a phenomenon that springs up only after willful ignorance has run its course.
Bankruptcy makes a difference only to the tyrants hanging on to their privileged tax free existence.
It makes no difference to the proles who are forced to suffer a truly miserable existence sustaining those entrenched at the top as the Ponzi they designed collapses. The only question is what is the public threshold of misery.
The privileged class has already demonstrated its willingness to act ruthlessly in the name of preserving staus quo. They are all safely ensconced in their mountain villas, yachts and island getaways.
It is only a matter of time before they cut their deal with Golden Dawn. Then you will see something extremely disquieting.
Same story different timeframe. Always gonna be some useless braindead eater that wants to engage in nothing but hedonism every day of his life at the expense of others. You borrowed the fucking Jew confetti you little shits, now its time to pay up!!!! And enough of the woe is me shit. And yes the Bankers need a little lesson in humility as well. This world is hurling towards reality kicking and screaming. We are going back to the days of (You don't produce, you don't fucking eat)....It's that simple. Except you might get a crumb from the charity of others cause they really feel sorry for your poor Godless soul. I will give of my own to those who truly need it. Needs and Wants though have seem to have taken on synonomous meanings in this world unfortunately. This corruption starts with the deluded individual that thinks that he/she can get something for nothing all the days of his life and use the power of Government and Democracy to take the Earned and Re-distribute it to those that have Not Earned.
Blaming Greek people for loans taken out by their leaders at the behest of their Bankster masters is hardly fair, as some here seem to be doing. We all have the same leaders indebting us as we speak and we're all gonna be in Greece's shoes sooner or later, at which time we can either be ready to help our waking countrymen to understand what's happening, or laugh at their stupidity for not seeing it coming while we were stacking. 'Told ya so' is fun briefly, except now you've got the Gov and the flock looking for your stash. Hell the Gov will probably blame your smartass for the crisis. Be kind to the newly awakened - they just got there a little slower than you.
I love it how they talk about being tough on the police , yet not of them bring a gun or defend themselves at the demonstrations. Talk about getting into a gunfight with a water pistol. Only the old man makes sense- he KNOWS - been there DONE IT.
sad thing is i saw only goyim against goyim on this square
no ("elite") yid got hurt...
Sounds like a bizarro Bob Marley tune
Matt,
I think you're spot on from a legal standpoint. From the functional perspective a full Greek exit from the Eurozone will probably show a mixed reaction from other member states (ranging from "good riddance" to "hey, wait a minute") but I don't think it will ultimately result in much. However, how bondholders can affect the remaining states to take actions against Greece remains to be seen. It doesn't seem to be in the remaining states' best interest to have them stay (up to and including by force) but we've certainly seen a lot of irrational behavior up to this point. To me, a Greek exit is inevitable, it now depends on when. Do they exit sooner and become a standout, deal with all the legal wrangling, or do they exit along with everyone else when the whole currency collapses. Either they can be the trigger for a Eurozone dissolution or they will be part of the final act. I'm guessing (and it is just that, a guess) that if Greece were to leave and showed any sign of real recovery within 6 mos- 1 year Portugal would be close behind, then maybe it will all start to unravel. Of course, I keep putting this all in the context of what *I* would do and I don't have the same corrupt interests as many of their monied leadership does.
You can never find the Holy Hangranade of Antioch when you need it.
I think some of these people have the right solution. Just walk away from the system and don't support it, AT ALL.