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Guest Post: The American Diet: Self-Destruction Never Tasted So Good

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

The atomized and empty consumerist Status Quo is the "monster Id" behind the American diet.

I know it may appear unduly harsh to discuss America's self-destructive dietary "monster Id" right before the Thanksgiving day feasting, but when is it more appropriate?
There are a great many disconnects between reality and what Americans believe out of convenience ("no snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche") or propaganda, but perhaps none is more visible than the disconnect between what we're collectively doing to our health with the food we consume.
The Chinese have an apt saying" "Disease comes through the mouth," meaning disease comes from what we eat.
There are several parts to the food-illness disconnect. One is that poor diet is an "individual" issue. Wrong; it will bring down the entire American Empire: Can Chronic Ill-Health Bring Down Great Nations? Yes It Can, Yes It Will (November 23, 2011)
86% of Workers Are Obese or Have Other Health Issue Just 1 in 7 U.S. workers is of normal weight without a chronic health problem.
Here's a chart which depicts how U.S. healthcare costs are rising geometrically, far outstripping our economic competitors:
The nation cannot afford the present sickcare costs of 20% of GDP; how can it afford tripling what is spent on sickcare? Simple answer: it cannot.
The obesity epidemic can be viewed visually via this slideshow map of the U.S.:
Clearly, obesity has exploded into a pandemic in just a single generation.
Interestingly, all the usual explanations--the rise of fast foods, women joining the workforce and thus the decline of the home-cooked meal and the decline of physical labor jobs--fail to explain the dramatic increase for the reason that all these conditions were already present in 1985.
Women had already joined the workforce en masse, fast-food outlets were already on every corner and jobs requiring hard physical labor had already dwindled to a small percentage of our post-industrial, service-dominated economy.
So what is different between 1985 and the present? At least one factor is the increased consumption of sugary beverages: soda, specialty coffees, iced teas, and "juices," both the fake variety (colored sugar water with 10% actual fruit juice) and 100% juice.
This is another part of the disconnect: it is no accident that consumption of fast food, sugar-water beverages, snacks, chips and convenience packaged foods has exploded: all these "foods" have been carefully engineered to "taste good" by triggering our naturally selected desire for what is rare in Nature: salt, sugar and fat.
Please view this documentary on the science of sugar consumption:
Sugar: the Bitter Truth (University of California TV)(via R.W.)
The problem is not limited to America. Wherever the American diet goes, diabesity follows: The Sick Man of Asia: China's Health Crisis (Foreign Affairs, by Yanzhong Huang)
The essay traces out the devolution of China's once-universal if basic healthcare system for all into a U.S.-type system of full coverage for Elites and a more brutal one for everyone else: if you don't have the cash to pay for care, you die.
China has the largest population of diabetics and pre-diabetics in the world. China's diabetes rate has skyrocketed to 11% of the adult population, slightly higher than that of the U.S., while its rates of other non-communicable "lifestyle" diseases such as heart disease have also soared to U.S. levels.
China Diabetes Triples (via Joel M.) "Beijing doctor Li Guangwei sees China’s struggle with 90 million diabetes sufferers daily."
The problem is global, as the American diet of fast-food, sodas, salty-fatty-sugary snacks and prepared "convenience food" spreads throughout the world:
Next time you're in a fast food outlet or a supermarket, try to find something you can eat that won't harm you. It will be a challenge, I guarantee you.

  • chips: out, too much fat, too much salt
  • fries: out, too much fat, too much salt
  • sausage: out, too much fat, too much salt
  • fast food in general: out, too much fat, too much salt
  • salted nuts: out, too much salt
  • canned goods: out, too much salt
  • most cereals: out, too much salt
  • bottled salad dressings: out, too much salt
  • sports drinks: out, too much salt
  • pre-packaged salads: out, too much salt in the dressing
  • frozen meals: out, too much salt
  • packaged snacks: out, too much salt
  • packaged noodles: out, too much salt
The American diet is so unhealthy that even one serving is enough to negatively impact health: Study shows just one Egg McMuffin breakfast has adverse effect on arterial blood flow (via Ishabaka)
I have written extensively on health, fitness, diet and diabesity over the years:
Food For Thought (May 9, 2009)
The third disconnect is our cultural avoidance of the psychological and spiritual hunger that drives self-destructive overconsumption. Nina, proprietor of the insightful blog Deep Into Art Life West sent me a link to Charles Eisenstein's provocative essay Reuniting the Self: Autoimmunity, Obesity, and the Ecology of Health (Part 2)

All the individual is aware of is a hunger, a need for something more. The fact that obese people often eat when they are not physically hungry offers a clue to what is going on. Indeed, they are hungry -- they just aren't hungry for food. They are hungry for connection.Food is the most tangible, direct confirmation of our connection to a living universe that loves us. On a primal biological level, the act of eating tells us, "I exist" and "I am loved." Indeed, food is the most basic expression of love, a token of intimacy, of bringing an outsider into the realm of self. That is why it is customary in most countries to offer food to a guest, and why it is rude to refuse it. To feed another is, in this sense, an intimate act, an opening of the sacred boundaries of self.
When, as today, this intimate act has become a subject of commerce, and food a commodity, the entire food system reeks of obscenity.

This identifies something causally profound that is never addressed in "research" into the diabesity epidemic because it requires questioning the entire atomized and empty consumerist Status Quo. The emptiness of American consumerism does not lend itself to quantification like measuring leptin levels. But it is the "monster Id" behind the Thanatos American diet.
The last part of the disconnect is the broken link between our worship of convenience and self-destruction. Wanting a pill to fix all our problems, wanting to drive everywhere, eliminating physical fitness from our schools, addictive sedentary digital games, the profitability of managing chronic "lifestyle" diseases--it's all connected:

My new book Why Things Are Falling Apart and What We Can Do About It is now available in print and Kindle editions--10% to 20% discounts.



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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:44 | 3002000 Schmuck Raker
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OT - Something interesting for Tech-, Energy-, and Gold-Bugs:

<PS Sorry to OT in first comment>


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:48 | 3002023 Ghordius
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+1 for putting the OT, I find it makes it OK

I have a couple of contacts now that fell ill while traveling in the US, mostly outbreaks of diabetes. scary

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:00 | 3002055 vast-dom
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if you eat processed white food and drink sugar pop what do you expect? the daily high fructose corn syrup (one molecule away from alchohol btw) is something i wouldn't ingest in well over a year and yet these people do it day in and day out. what do you expect? shit food for a sedentary lifestyle awaiting the nanny state to cart you away in an ambulance or hearse? freedom completely discarded at the expense of welfare and equality and supersized portions your inaliable right, save for the supersize drink in NYC...but here in NYC you don't see nearly as much obesity as in the rest of the states...the cattle-sized humans i see at the airports in America is fucking scary and i could only imagine what the towns these people come from look like...


Maybe an ObamaTurkey to go with that phone?


PS i refuse to eat turkey or anything like it and will not be "celebrating" thanksgiving on this one day. EVERY FUCKING DAY ABOVE GROUND IS A THANKSGIVING DAY. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:04 | 3002091 jekyll island
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Obesity is a huge problem, pardon the pun, but using data showing that the number and cost of heart attacks and stroke is going to triple in 20 years is misleading.  That is following the demographics of the baby boomers, such a large number of people, as they age of course they are going to develop more illnesses.  Even the gubmint has known this for the last 20 years.  

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:53 | 3002491 Atlas_shrugging
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HFCS consumption since the 80s is a near one to one correlation with obesity epidemic... and so is introduction of GMO wheat (see Dr. of you who think eating whole grain wheat is healthy are getting screwed).  Combine the above with sloth and 99c menus at shit-in-the-box and presto...worldwide fatness in 10-30 years...doesn't matter the country if they allow the processed shit in the door.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:53 | 3002811 AldousHuxley
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fat food and stupid shit on TV keep people in line.


food, oil, media, money.....that's all you need to able to control to maintain status quo.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 19:15 | 3003501 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"HFCS consumption since the 80s is a near one to one correlation with obesity epidemic..."

Yes, as is MSG and Aspartame (thx to Donald Rumsfeld).

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 23:26 | 3003878 All Risk No Reward
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1. Elevated insulin + excessive Omega 6 fatty acids (corn, vegetable, soy oil) drives cellular inflammation and chonic disease.  Elevated insulin also tends to pack on body fat.  Hence, body fat and chronic disease is correlated rather strongly.

2. GMO "foods" are pesticide or herbicide - untested for long term health because the corporatocracy "leaders" told their puppet government it shouldn't be tested.  So, a few million for long term studies or $45 million to oppose labeling in one state?  Economics says *do the studies*.  There is a reason they won't.  30 more states are lining up to label GMOs...  Maybe a billion dollars will be required to avoid a few million in study expenditures.

3. The EPA scientist union opposes water fluoridation.  No, I couldn't make that up.  Look it up. search the first sentence in this line for their well thought out reasoning.

The same people who rigged the financial system to bankrupt us are also maximizing Big Agra profits (addicting you to foods) and Big Pharma profits (by tax subsidizing and promoting chronic disease promoting pesticide and herbicide "foods").

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 04:42 | 3004099 Parrotile
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References to back your assertions please . . . .

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:06 | 3002097 bobola
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Tyler,  Thanks again for another thread about obesity, and its cost on society.

Batter-coated french fries are a fresh vegetable, according to the Agriculture Department, which has a federal judge's ruling to back it up.

Only in America....!!!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:08 | 3002107 formadesika3
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Fast food, Merka's secret weapon in its war against people.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:41 | 3002239 Bananamerican
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Corporate Food, Corporate Banking, Corporate Healthcare, Corporate Legislation, Corporatized Military, CorpoRAT State


i hate Corporations

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:35 | 3002435 Chupacabra-322
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@ Bananamerican,

You left out the the most important Corp.  THE UNITED STATES.  In case you were unaware.

There are 2 types of States, THE STATE OF’s ard CORPORATIONS and LEGAL FICTIONS IN ALL CAPS, ____ State in non ALL CAPS are the land you stand on. THE UNITED STATES IN ALL CAPS IS A CORPORATION. America is the land body we stand on. Learn this. Your name in ALL CAPS IS A LEGAL FICTION ALSO. You will see it on all OFFICIAL GOVT DOCS and anything involving $. Look at your mail and wallet you will see your STRAWMAN. No STATE OF will listen to you they are CORPORATIONS AND PART OF US INC. Only a majority of people can give CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. LEARN ABOUT CORPORATION US INC., THE STATE OF, THE CITY OF, THEY ARE ALL CORPORATIONS. COURTS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE COUTS AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, Ron Paul said it in his speach. This is the MATRIX we live in, an illusion that nothing changed when the free United States of America became THE UNITED STATES, the CORPORATION. PROOF IS IN THEIR OWN US CODE: USC 28 Section 3002, No. 15(a) “United States” means a Federal Corporation.) The United States was incorporated February 21, 1871 (16 Stat. 419, Chap. 62, 41st Congress, 3rd Session), the purpose being “an Act to provide a Government for the District of Columbia, reorganized June 8th, 1878, (20 Stat. 102, Chapter 180, 45th Congress, 2nd Session) as “an Act providing a permanent form of government for the District of Columbia” aka US Inc. Uniform Commercial Code, UCC9-307 (h) states “Location of United States. The United States is located in the District of Columbia.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:59 | 3002545 TruthInSunshine
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Let's not forget the followimg:


Sugar, and all of its forms, from corn syrup, to refined white sugar, to fructose, is in just about all products that are processed in extremely large amounts (especially when processed foods are eaten in high volume, which has an aggregator affect).

Sugar is probably a larger constituent cause of disease (inflammatory issues coupled with insulin resistance bred pre-diabetes and diabetes) than dietary salt and fat combined. For those who wish to read more about how sugar is the most understated dietary hazard in American History & how the demonization of cholesterol (which is a symptom of inflammation, not a cause of it) by Big Pharma as a causative agent of poor cardiovascular health is an intentional or reckless deception:

Also, the farm lobby-Big Agriculture gets special protection and priviliges from U.S. legislators, so that even speaking factually of the hazards of modern commercial farming methods or the adverse effects of consuming those products can trigger waves of litigation against the truth speaker (ordinarily, truth is an absolute defense against slander or libel), and even if one defeats the litigation, attorney fees to do so can be staggering (ask Oprah Winfrey when she spoke out against commercially/Big-Agri beef & fast food: luckily she had the financial resources to defeat the incredibly costly litigation that was launched against her by Big Food). - "Since 1990, 13 states, from Georgia to Idaho, have adopted food defamation laws. That, in effect, allowed broccoli to stay in court. Under these laws individuals can be sued for questioning the safety of any food product without verifiable scientific proof, for ridiculing radishes or picking on pears, for example, or, as TV personality Oprah Winfrey discovered, belittling beef":

Shut Up and Eat: The Beef Industry's Lawsuit Against Oprah Winfrey (and McDonald's British lawsuits against critics, too!)

Many dietary toxins, such as refined sugars in many forms (including "corn sugar," the cute new name Big Agri want to replace "high fructose corn syrup" with) are subsidized by taxpayers (involuntarily). This makes it even more profitable for Big Agri to grow these constituent crops, cheaper for Big Food processors to use these ingredients in just about everything (thus raising profit margins), and gets the consuming public sicker and fatter faster, all at the same time! Win-Win-Big Lose!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:46 | 3002777 Backspin
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See if you can clear this up for me.  A corporation is a legal entity, right?  I have a corporation, my own small business.  So what makes it a corporation?  I can tell you:  to do business in the US and in my state, I have to follow certain laws, and those laws say to incorporate, file quarterly reports etc.  A corporation is simply a legal entity operating under the laws.  My corporation operates under the laws of the US and the laws of my state.  Without these laws, I could still presumably offer products and services, and I would be perfectly fine with that, but to stay out trouble, I follow the law.  The only reason I incorporated my business at all is because of the laws and tax codes regarding business in this country and in my state.

So the UNITED STATES is a corporation?  According to whose laws?  The laws of the United States?


Thu, 11/22/2012 - 09:01 | 3004186 cranky-old-geezer
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Corporation is a legal entity created by the state, therefore under control of the state.  You're not the owner, the state is.  You're just an "officer".  Sure, you can own all the stock, but the state owns the corporation itself.

It's a fictitious legal commercial entity, and the state has full authority to regulate fictitious legal commercial entiies in order to "protect the people", just like the state has full authority to regulate commercial activities such as truck transport (transporting freight for hire on public roads).

Yes, most commerce in America is done by fictitious legal entities called "corporations".  They don't exist under natural law nor common law.  They exist under admiralty law.

This is why the federal government was domiciled in Washington DC, a geographical area carved out of surrounding states, therefore not part of any of the 50 states.  The states operated under common law where a corporation could not exist. 

DC operates under admiralty law where a "federal government" corporation can exist.  It's always been a corporation from day 1. The federal constitution is its corporate charter.  It has a president just like any other corporation.   Congress is the board of directors.  Borrowing money is done in its corporate capacity.

State governments were not corporations.  They had no president, they had a governor.  They could not borrow money because bankers would loan money only to a corporation or an individual person.

The states were conquered in the civil war by the federal government, so they ceased operating as independent governments, now under full authority of the federal government in DC.

The federal government corporation went bankrupt circa 1930 because they borrowed more money from the Fed than they could pay back.  They were taken into bankruptcy receivership by the Fed and gave up their corporate authority under their charter the constitution.  So the constitution no longer applied.

Since they had full authority over the states by virtue of conquering the states in the civil war, the Fed extended their control over the states by making state governments corporations also, chartered as subsidiaries of the federal government corporation in DC, again, just like any other corporation can charter a subsidiary corporation.

That's where "State of ..." comes from.  "State of Colorado" is the new corporate state government residing in Colorado.  The Fed chose to not make the governor the president of the State of Colorado corporation, but the governor is the president of that corporation for all practical purposes.  As corporations, state governments could now borrow money from bankers, and they did start borrowing. 

Your "constitutional rights" exist under common law.  But states operate under admiralty law now, where your common law rights don't exist.  This is why flags in courtrooms have gold fringe around them.  You're in a corporate administrative court operating under admiralty law now, not in a common law court.

That's why judges say "the constitution doesn't apply here" ...if you can press them to admit it, and they try to avoid saying it whenever possible, not wanting to reveal what the true state of affairs is now.  But they certainly know what the true state of affairs is now, even though you don't, and it's not their job to educate you.

What's more important is the Bill of Rights doesn't apply in that court either.  Those rights exist under common law, not under admiralty law, and the court you're in is an admiralty law court ...whether you know it or not.

This is slam-dunk proof your "rights" don't come from God, contrary to what the founders believed and stated in the DOI.  If they came from God they would apply in all legal venues, common law, admiralty, whatever.  But they exist only in a common law venue, not an admiralty law venue, and all of America is an admiralty law venue now.

Nor is there any place in the bible saying people have rights.  Not one place from genesis to revelation.  It's just not there anywhere.

I know.  I'm the equivalent of a lawyer when it comes to the bible.  I know the legal aspects of the bible at the lawyer level.  For example I know the legal reasons why the "law of Israel" doesn't apply today.  I could explain it thoroughly.   And no, it's not because Christ died and all that.  His death has nothing to do with it.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:35 | 3002439 Abitdodgie
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Did you know the United States has not had a Government since 1871 , when the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a corporation started inpersonating the Government. Go ahead chalenge them to demonstrate that todays Gov't is the same one as establised at the inception of this country , and not a Corporation. They cannot do it .

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:48 | 3002782 AldousHuxley
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The oldest corporation in the Western Hemisphere is the Harvard Corporation, known formally as the President and Fellows of Harvard College.


even non-profits are full of corporate greed scumbags in the executive ranks.

national greed doesn't stop until someone invades and kills your kids.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 09:05 | 3004241 cranky-old-geezer
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No it's not the original federal government, but yes it's still a government.  If you don't believe that, violate its laws and see what happens.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:33 | 3002429 NorthPole
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I know!! Let's rename 'french fries' to... hmm, what shall it be? 'Freedom fries' sounds good, don't you think?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:40 | 3002460 Ayn NY
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One molecule can make a huge difference in what the final substance is.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:02 | 3002554 Waterfallsparkles
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High Fructose Corn Syrup is in everything these days.

Hot Dogs, sliced Roast Beef, Bologna, Maple Syrup, Ice Cream (I even found it in Low Fat Ice Cream from Weight Watchers), Salad Dressing, Low Fat Yogurt (to my surprise), and so much more.

Read your labels and you will be surprised just how many foods today contain High Fructose Corn Syrup.  And the body does not process it.  It just goes directly to fat.  The manufactures love it because it makes you want to eat more. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:45 | 3002769 AldousHuxley
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Not just High Fructose corn syrup.

look at the ingredient list for maple syrup. anythign less than $10/bottle is ALL FAKE SHIT.

Ice Cream too. Look at high end versus low end.

low end food = artificial chemical fillers


also manufacturers know what you can "taste": salt, sour, sugar, bitter. That's all your tongue can taste so they load up on the cheapest....salt and sugar.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:23 | 3002905 Bicycle Repairman
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"High Fructose Corn Syrup is in everything these days."

"Ice cream, Mandrake?  Children's ice cream?"

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:09 | 3002590 Larry Dallas
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Having flown around the country this summer moreso than I ever had before, I truly fell as new "class" system has been defined by what you eat.

If you are poor, you eat processed foods and crap fast food.  

The wealthy tend to be more fit, eating nutritious foods. What was once considered to be pretentious has seemingly become accepted as mainstream.

You can tell a Middle American factory worker from an attorney or other, higher wage worker not only by the bling they wear, as was previosuly the case, but rather by how they can afford to eat and, in my humble opinion, the luxury of time they can afford to actually go to a gym.

Most wage earners may have a membership, but can't afford the time away from family and work for their own fitness.  

My 0.02c...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:50 | 3002794 Backspin
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Most wage earners that I know have enough time to sit on the porch and drink beer, and their kids have enough time for video games.  They could all get off the porch and off the couch, spend the beer money on some fresh vegetables, and maybe ride their bikes or go camping or something.  It's all about choices.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:08 | 3002858 TBT or not TBT
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More likely, they are suffering the consequences of a government and medical establishment drumbeat to go for "low fat" foods in a USDA(food industry captured govt branch) approved carb heavy "food pyramid" taught in our US Dept of Education controlled national schools.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:05 | 3002847 TBT or not TBT
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That's right, it's like cooties, if you get any America on you, you could come down suddenly with diabetes.   Mysterious.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:58 | 3002030 vast-dom
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fatten up the sheeple turn them into obese debt slaves own them health care costs printed away in the end in the end less is more less fat dumb fucks in the end and the masters get paid either way...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:41 | 3002177 Dr. Richard Head
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I would bet Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint will be a burned book by the FDA sometime in the near future.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:36 | 3002445 in-Credible Banker
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I was just on a Caribbean Cruise last week.  Not my choice - for a family members 50th anniversary.  So my cost other than casino losses was ZERO.


However....on Princess Cruise Lines....the fattening is complete.  The percentage of overweight immobile slobs waiting for their daily bread at the breakfast and lunch buffets is breathtaking.  And at dinner - two entrees for all!!


Literally sickening.


My BMI = 22.



Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:59 | 3002069 overmedicatedun...
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mr schmuck your nano tech steam has no energy ie  no pressure cold steam is water vapor look up in the sky you might catch sight of one or energy for work = a stupid solar energy source, but wait Obuma will fund it until bk... 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:10 | 3002120 Schmuck Raker
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I disagree, though I may be misinterpreting the findings, the steam is indeed hot(energized), but the body of water can remain cool to the touch.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:22 | 3002172 overmedicatedun...
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schmuck, my take until better info provided is they are lowering the vapor pressure of water..not a breakthru for energy.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:22 | 3002393 Schmuck Raker
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Well, we agree about more info. BTW, I didn't junk you.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:38 | 3002448 Abitdodgie
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Just build an SEG and have done with it , i have one works great.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:37 | 3002229 NooooB
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Wow! Really interesting link. Thanks!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:36 | 3002723 Disenchanted
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The Perfect Guide to Holiday Etiquette:

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:43 | 3002003 Flakmeister
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Not to worry... this aberration is self-correcting...

Have to laugh, there was a article in Mad Magazine from the early 60s that described the American Nation becoming fat and immobile and thereby becoming easy pickings for the Chinese Communists...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:08 | 3002110 Neethgie
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Unfortunately it isn't self correcting.. 

It takes ages to die from being a fat fuck.. these people are usually in the lower percentiles of income and further more they are the same people who breed the most..

Horrendeously fat fucks are having kids all over my home town, i do not understand how, or why people would... but still, they then raise this kid as a fat fuck..

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:38 | 3002163 Neethgie
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The other problem is we have moved so to the left on "accept everybody" the media is afraid to say being fat is NOT ok.

Its normal to be a hideous monster is it? 

Society needs to grow up and say, no more, we aren't going to pander to your feelings you can be any shape you want, but we wont turn a blind eye to the damage your doing to yourself and if you don't want that critique lose weight..


Alright fat fuck who junked me, its your life choice but you cause visual pollution with your horrendous rolls.. if you don't wanna face facts its fine, just I have to pay for u, with socialist healthcare, so unfortunately it is my buisiness...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:45 | 3002484 Kali
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Here is a documentary for what you just described : )

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:17 | 3002631 Neethgie
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I saw it!

i so agree though, we have let ourselves go..

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:59 | 3002539 Flakmeister
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Re: self correction, it all depends on your time scales...What is a few generations in the grand scheme of things? Get too fat too young and you won't be able to reproduce... Combine that with the fact that aside from HFCS, there is evidence that the obesity is connected to chemicals like BPA along with the decrease in sperm count...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:36 | 3002909 TBT or not TBT
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HFCS is barely worse than cane sugar, at about 55% fructose instead of 50%.   If anything what makes it worse than cane sugar (sucrose) is that is CHEAPER and more cost effective at sweetening.   You put that into a demand supply curve and what you get is more sugar consumption.    Still, HFCS is barely worse for you, barely than what it replaced.    T

The consumption of these cheap sugars per consumer has increased absurdly.   The US government encourages that, but get this, the thought that the fructose component of sugar is a good thing has been a staple of the American Diabetic Association for so long they have trouble backing off of that position.   See, pure fructose produces no blood glucose spike.   Low glycemic index sweetener!!!   Nevermind that fructose directly, and very quickly, and very relaibly causes the LDL cholesterol in blood to spike, and the smaller particle LDL in particular, the only kind strongly involved in heart disease.   But don't worry, your doctor doesn't measure that.   They do a measurement that generates a calculated proxy guesstimate of what your LDL probably is, without measuring it per se.    They do not yet measure the type of cholesterol you need to knock down to improve your health.   They measure something else and recommend profitable patented drugs to help manage that other thing.

As far as hormone mimicing chemicals like BPA go:   Well, there's another hormone, and endogenous one, that is far and away primarily responsible for fat deposition in mammal's adipocytes(your fat tissue).   Drum roll plesae!   Insulin!    You make lots of insulin when you eat lots of carbohydrates, because spiking blood sugar is a crisis.   Insulin signals every cell in the body to take action in response to the emergency of of rising blood glucose levels.   The insulin spikes also upregulate the production of inflammation signalling chemicals.   Inflammation is involved in just about every disease, not just heart/circulatory diseases.   Cancer is a great example.

BPA on the other hand, well its hard to argue it has more effect that insulin, and we know how insulin gets spiked, by eating carbohydrates.   The US govt recommends you eat somthing over 50% of your calories as carbohydrates, and recommends "whole grains" too.   You know what food has a higher glycemic index even than table sugar does, calorie for calorie?   Anything made primarily out of wheat.  Bread for example.  No matter if it is whole grain or the unregrettable Wonder Bread.    Monster glucose spike, very quickly, hammering all cells in your body.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:09 | 3002115 Ghordius
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LOL, and do you remember how MAD was making fun out of the (at that time) feeble anti-smoking crusades? And how much of those jokes became true?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:04 | 3002569 Flakmeister
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They had more than a few writers well versed in articulating the human condition...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:30 | 3002421 FrankDrakman
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Have to laugh, there was a article in Mad Magazine from the early 60s that described the American Nation becoming fat and immobile and thereby becoming easy pickings for the Chinese Communists...

I remember that!! The Americans were all riding around on little motorized scooters, just like in Wall-E, or just as you see in your average Wal-Mart.  

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:34 | 3002433 Flakmeister
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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:08 | 3002584 Waterfallsparkles
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Boy do you have that right.  Went to Wall Mart for the first time in a year and could not believe all of the people riding in those carts.  Most of them could not even fit on the seat.  Their abundance flowed way over the seat.

Need to implement Golf Carts for the abundant Customers.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:48 | 3002995 TBT or not TBT
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At the entrance to Wal Mart there is typically a wall, a cattle chute really because it is long and on both sides of you as you enter, of high carbohydrate foods more often than not packed with modern vegetable oils.   The former causes insulin spikes, which insulin spikes increase the production of inflammatory compounds throughout the body, which are built out of ingredients carried in psychotic quantities in cheap modern vegetable oils.   

Cut off the cheap vegetable oils and you cut out 3/4 of the national health care crisis in the long term.  

Ban wheat products in the United States for one year, like some emperor did way back when with kissing to cut back on disease transmission, and you'd have a cut back the health crisis to half of what it is.    Wheat carbohydrates have extremely high glycemic indices, because the particular form it is in called "amylopectin A" breaks down to glucose in a snap in the small intestine, then hits the blood stream like a glucose hammer, creating a body wide crisis.   Also, the glutens in modern wheat, introduced to the human diet forty to fifity years ago, are far more allergenic and inflammatory than heritage wheat was, not that eating wheat was ever good for you.   People survived on it, cheaply, and it was and is both pleasure creating and addictive(pepsin + acid + gluten creates narcotic substances that pass  the blood brain barrier and stimulate the same receptors that hard narcotics do).    Bread and circuses folks.     The packaged food industry and hollywood, both allied with big government to keep the masses on their treadmills.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:11 | 3004028 All Risk No Reward
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TBT, Omega 6 fatty acids (tax payer subsidized veggetable oil, corn oil and soy oil) are the substrate for pro-inflammatory eicosanoids.  As you likely know, olive oil is a monounsaturated fat, not an Omega 6 fatty acid, so it in't nearly as destructive.  Now others know why olive oil is recommended over the [D]elite sponsored chronic disease oils.  A good organic extra virgin oilive oil (EVOO) will taste very peppery on the back of your tongue - anti-inflammatory polyphenols cause that effect.  I've had good luck with Trader Joes' Organic EVOO in the green label - and the price is good.  For high heat cooking - organic coconut oil serves well.

Insulin increase delta-5-desaturase which, when combined with Omega 6 fatty acids, create pro-inflammatory eicosanoids.

EPA, an active ingredient is fish oil, also combines with delta-5-desaturase and, therefore, less D5D is available to combine with Omega 6 and, voila - cellular inflammation is reduced.  There are other modes of action, but that's the biggy.

Former MIT and Boston University Medical School PhD Lipid Researcher, Dr. Barry Sears, has excellent information in his various Zone Diet Books.

The best diet I've found to date is the Paleo, Organic Zone Diet.  You get the nutrition, you avoid the pesticides, your brain gets the glucose it needs when it needs it, your body gets the protein it needs when it needs it, your body gets heart healthy fat when it needs it...  wow, life is really good.

A tip on fish oil - Dr. Sears' brand, OmegaRx is excellent, but expensive.  OmaPure is an IFOS 5 star rated fish oil that also excellent, even if not quite as good as OmegaRX.  At 1/2 the cost when you buy in bulk, though - that's hard to beat.  My kid gets the OmegaRx liquid and I take the OmaPure most of the time.

Low dose and or health food store fish oil products are essentially a waste of time.

There is a reason Big Pharma / Media is out doing hit pieces on fish oil - it works very well.

Also of note are the results that can be achieved by eating a Zone-like diet (even if the adherent doesn't even realize they are eating Zonish):

Minding Your Mitochondria

She reversed her debilitating MS in 9 months - from buying a bed to die in to riding her bike 18 miles in just 9 months.  The establishment won't tell your doctor this so s/he can go on thinking the absurdity that diet is basically meaningless.  The don't tell the doctors about epigenetics and how nutrients and nutrient ratios can alter gene expression. Nope, gotta keep those doctors in the dark to maximize Big Pharma profits.

Mediterranean Diet May Protect Against Diabetes

Read the article - the group that had 83% fewer instances of diabetes was the group that had the highest genetic risk factors!  Read that again until it sinks in.

While this isn't proof, it is strong evidence - and go ahead and try to find a single diabetes drug study with 25% of the results shown here.  Good luck.

But there is no money in this.  Even worse, a healthy populace won't maximize profits for Big Agra, Big Chem and Big Pharma.  The only way Big Pharma can achieve their corporate mandate is to maximize chronic disease just below the threshold that people start figuring out they are being rooked by "the man" (the profit making psychopath "man").

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:44 | 3002006 redpill
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Thank you, Food Pyramid.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:06 | 3002095 jekyll island
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High fructose corn syrup, bitchez!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:12 | 3002121 vast-dom
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allow me to scare the fuck out of you and anyone else that cares to learn about this syrup that's in almost every food the average Amerikan ingests:



Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:25 | 3002179 onelight
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Good spotting -- that is one of the key culprits...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:52 | 3003006 TBT or not TBT
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HFCS is just moderately worse for you than good oold cane (or beet) sugar was.    In the one case, HFCS, you have a ratio of 55% to 45% fructose to glucose.    In cane sugar(sucrose) you have a 50:50 ratio.     The total amount of these sugars consumed is the problem, not that of HFCS alone.   HFCS is more insidous only in that it was cheaper than cane sugar, and cheaper to use because the free fructose it contains makes it slightly sweeter.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:20 | 3002164 john39
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high fructose corn syrup has another insidious aspect, it comes with a dose of mercury that is released in the processing...  (surely not intentional, right?).  In additional to being poisoned with frankenfoods, most americans are also poisoned with heavy metals... something your doctors has absolutely no clue about.  these heavy metals affect you in a myriad of negative ways.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:40 | 3002184 vast-dom
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correct. that is why cleanses are good. to get rid of heavy metals and toxins:


intestinal formula #1 + #2


That's my good deed for the day. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:30 | 3002201 Fukushima Sam
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Also mercury in the environment from all the coal burning.  I have to wonder how much of the crazy we see around us is due to mild heavy metal poisoning.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:38 | 3002450 Chupacabra-322
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Don't forget about the heavy metels with the aluminum they ChemTrial us with as well.  Heavy metels intake is a prime reason for the rise in Alheimer's. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:57 | 3003028 TBT or not TBT
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A doctor who does have a clue about this or that thing poisoning his patients will not tell them, because he/she doesn't have time and can't afford to come across as kooky, nevermind off the reservation, when what he knows runs contrary to what the AMA and AHA and ADA and the various tentacles of our government have been preaching as health gospel for so many decades.     A doctor WILL tell you what he thinks if you our friends or family with him/her, outside of the regulated, time-pressured annual office environment.   You know, when they administer the wrong tests, the trailing-indicator ones that tell you are fucked only after you are fucked.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:14 | 3003092 Miffed Microbio...
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John you are so right about the mercury! Four years ago my husband was diagnosed with 2 autoimmune diseases, Hashimotos and myasthenia gravis. After a year of hell with convention medicine, we went to a naturopath for a second opinion. He did a heavy metal analysis and found my husband had 15 times the normal amount of mercury in his body( he was an avid cola drinker). Also he was highly reactive to gluten. We paid a fortune for 2 months of chelation therapy , dramatically changed his diet and changed his Synthroid to natural T3. With in 6 months his cholesterol when from 290 to 185 and his energy went through the roof. His conventional dr was astounded when he saw his labs and patted himself on the back that the steroids and Lipitor had done their job. You could imagine the shock when my husband told him he had never filled his prescription! Then he poo pooed the whole thing but couldn't explain the outcome. The problem is is that conventional medicine has a stranglehold on the healing arts today. That and the fact people eat garbage that mold cannot survive on (check out the collection of year old mcdonald hamburgers on U-tube)
is the main reason our health is so poor today.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:19 | 3002162 duo
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Intersting, the food pyramid.  I followed it for years and 5 years ago my cholesterol was 250+.  Then I exchanged margerine for butter, fried foods in bacon fat or olive oil, started eating free-range eggs every day, and get a good third of my food energy from nuts (almonds and cashews mostly, with salt of course).  Most importantly, I gave up on bread, anything with sugar, and absolutely no HFCS.  French fries I eat a couple times a week, and I blend some kale or something green into a shake once a day.

Two weeks ago my cholesterol was 201.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:33 | 3002209 El Viejo
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The people in the US look more like the food pyramid every day.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:39 | 3002241 RobD
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Funny how doing almost exactly the opposite of what the cholesterol Nazis tell you to do actually lowers your cholesterol. It's almost like they want you to be stuck taking a statin drug for the rest of your(shortened life). If your doc still gives you problems with high LDL numbers have them test the size of the LDL particles. If you are following a low carb diet the LDL sizes will be mostly in the large(good) category. It is the small size LDL that is found in plaque build up int the arteries.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:45 | 3002478 FrankDrakman
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I've been diabetic for about 10 years. When first diagnosed, my professional nutrionist told me to follow the food pyramid. My diabetes got worse, and I had to go from pills to insulin. Then, I started reading.

When I suggested 'low carb' to her, she dismissed it as a fad. But I went low - not zero - carb almost immediately by following this simple formula: no white food. No bread, no pasta, no rice, no potatoes. It goes without saying no white flour or sugar, e.g. no cakes, no cookies, no doughnuts. I lost 60 lbs in a matter of months, and my diabetes came under control. Now, a decade later, the diabetes profession has come on board with low carb.

I've relaxed my rules a bit (who wants to live in a world without pizza?), but I'm maintaining 40 lbs of weight loss. And shopping last night, contrary to Charles's usual hyperbole was easy: romaine lettuce, tomatoes, bell peppers, unsalted peanuts, fresh ginger root, canned corn. (I also bought Diet Coke; shoot me). Lunch today was a salad of lettuce, tomato, pepper, corn and a can of chunk light tuna. I don't understand the knock on bottled salad dressing; my Kraft is about 160 mg/tbsp, and I use about 2 tbsp. That, with the salt from the tuna adds up to less than 1/3rd my daily balance, and lunch is my largest meal.

While the weather holds, I take a bus halfway to work and ride the other 7 miles. That's 10 30-min workouts a week. I arrive at work 'glowing' but not covered in sweat (we don't have a shower), and feel good. (Plus I save money on a health club and bus fare - double bonus!)

It's not hard to eat/act healthy; you just need the will power to do it. I'll admit that the diabetes threat of amputation/blindness was a helluva wake up call, though.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:59 | 3003040 TBT or not TBT
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Gary Taubes is essential reading here.  I'm sure you came across his stuff.  Spread the word.   It's patriotic, at this point.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:45 | 3002482 Abitdodgie
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If you stop eating table salt ( 1/3 silica ,1/3 sand 1/3 salt ) your cholesterol will drop like a rock , eat a good sea salt or hymalayan salt . What happens is the salt drags through with it the sand and silica which cut your veins and so the cholesterol is released to repair them and so the cycle keeps going.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:59 | 3003038 Marco
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Anti-caking agents are silicates ... not silica.

As for sand/silica, that's neither added nor present in significant amounts ... what is present is going to be present in "sea salt" as well (in the end all commercial salt sources are sea salt deposits, some are just under ground).

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:02 | 3003051 TBT or not TBT
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And, ah, anything that was in sea water before the water evaporated away, is in the sea salt too.   Mercury doesn't evaporate, for example.   I'm not saying I think or know that the level of mercury in sea salt is too high, I'm just saying there is a lot of stuff dissolved in sea water, even gold (bitchez).

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:20 | 3002387 Schmuck Raker
Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:44 | 3002474 Freedom In Your...
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That will leave you fucked up in the long run as well. Maybe just a little bit less fucked up than the USDA food pyramid will, but not good none the less. has the most comprehensive  breakdown of what human beings should eat that I have found. Short version - There is no such thing as a good vegetable oil that hasn't been around more than 200 hundred years (i.e. no corn oil or soy oil, etc.) and there is no such thing as good wheat. Seafood should be a human beings main protein source, fruits and vegetables should be eaten seasonaly only. That is the food portion of his theory in a nutshell. He is big on a lot of other modern environmental factors causing us many of the modern problems as well.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:08 | 3003061 Marco
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Pressed soy oil easily goes back more than 2 centuries.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:29 | 3003315 duo
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no soy or corn or canola oil.  Olive and grapeseed only.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:40 | 3004048 All Risk No Reward
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Omega 6 oils are substrates for pro cellular inflammatory eicosanoids (hormones).  That's why they are bad.

Olive oil is a mono-unsaturated fat - not an Omega 6 fatty acid.  I understand that cocnut oil is good for high heat cooking where olive oil isn't so great.  The best olive oils will be extra virgin (minal processing), organic (minimal pesticides and will have a high polyphenol content.  The way to tell is to put a teaspoon of extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) on your tongue and move it to the back of your tongue.  You should get a hot peppery sensation.  Good EVOO tastes smooth as butte ron the front of your tongue.

I've had excellent luck with Trader Joe's organic EVOO in the green label bottle - and the price is right as well.

Oh, and excess carbs makes way more people fat (insulin spike triggers glucose to fat storage response) than people eating heart healthy fat like EVOO, raw almonds, raw peanuts, raw cashews, avocados, etc...

While you are trying to get healthy, I recommend you follow the advice of the "boots on the ground" EPA scientist union and reject water fluoridation.  The data essentially indicates it is dementia on the installment plan for most - but that's only if you avoid the wicked increase in male bone cancer.


The Fluoride Deception

Professor Paul Connet: Your Toxic Tap Water

Yeah, the EPA scientists actually sued the EPA to provide fluoride free water to the EPA scientists working at EPA headquarters!

You probably wonder why this didn't hit the "news."  The "news" isn't the "news," it is Big Finance Capital propaganda.  They have no legal obligation to tell the truth - so they don't!

Unsettling Accounts

The Corporation (Created by psychopathic oligarchs in their own image!)

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:40 | 3004049 All Risk No Reward
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Omega 6 oils are substrates for pro cellular inflammatory eicosanoids (hormones).  That's why they are bad.

Olive oil is a mono-unsaturated fat - not an Omega 6 fatty acid.  I understand that cocnut oil is good for high heat cooking where olive oil isn't so great.  The best olive oils will be extra virgin (minal processing), organic (minimal pesticides and will have a high polyphenol content.  The way to tell is to put a teaspoon of extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) on your tongue and move it to the back of your tongue.  You should get a hot peppery sensation.  Good EVOO tastes smooth as butte ron the front of your tongue.

I've had excellent luck with Trader Joe's organic EVOO in the green label bottle - and the price is right as well.

Oh, and excess carbs makes way more people fat (insulin spike triggers glucose to fat storage response) than people eating heart healthy fat like EVOO, raw almonds, raw peanuts, raw cashews, avocados, etc...

While you are trying to get healthy, I recommend you follow the advice of the "boots on the ground" EPA scientist union and reject water fluoridation.  The data essentially indicates it is dementia on the installment plan for most - but that's only if you avoid the wicked increase in male bone cancer.


The Fluoride Deception

Professor Paul Connet: Your Toxic Tap Water

Yeah, the EPA scientists actually sued the EPA to provide fluoride free water to the EPA scientists working at EPA headquarters!

You probably wonder why this didn't hit the "news."  The "news" isn't the "news," it is Big Finance Capital propaganda.  They have no legal obligation to tell the truth - so they don't!

Unsettling Accounts

The Corporation (Created by psychopathic oligarchs in their own image!)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:45 | 3002007 jjsilver
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Indoctrinate U: Marxism on Campus

Indoctrinate U is an incredibly illuminating look into the active and open attack on free speech and open discourse on college campuses across the United States.

This is an excellent film, but addresses a topic that’s terribly sad. The University was established as an institution that encouraged open discourse and the free exchange of ideas in the name of furthering knowledge and understanding but it has become nothing more than an indoctrination center.

Support the film maker and buy this film at

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:47 | 3002019 Flakmeister
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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:04 | 3003059 TBT or not TBT
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Got any Obama stickers on your cars?    A university faculty is the opposite of diverse, ideologically.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:15 | 3002141 Buckaroo Banzai
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Subversion of the higher education system is a core pillar of the Cultural Marxist plan. The Cultural Marxists understood that you don't install Marxism from the top down, you do it from the ground up. Subvert the K-12 system, the higher education system, the news media, and the entertainment compex, and within three generations you will have turned the vast majority of the target population into Marxists. Given that they started in the early 50s, is it any surprise that we re-elected the first Marxist president in US history sixty years later?

"Free your mind and your ass will follow", as George Clinton said. The Cultural Marxists understood that this also could work in reverse.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:48 | 3002274 onelight
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Right you are...this is why Bill Ayers went into educational reform in Chicago...from there he could influence national school content standards...why blow up police stations when the system will let you subvert the culture via standard channels...bastards...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:05 | 3003062 TBT or not TBT
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The "march through the institutions" is what they called it, and they're done now, and we're done too.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:46 | 3004054 All Risk No Reward
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It isn't "marxist."  It is dictatorial fascism on the softer side of the spectrum but hardening rather quickly.

"Marxism" is camouflage to keep the useful idiots in line just long enough to get the Debt Money Tyranny rope around their necks and push them off the balcony.

The welath is being transferred to the oligarch fascists and their corporate fronts.

The debt is being transferred to the serfs.  Sure, the bubble was needed to generate the bust and the serfs thought that meant "good times."  Only if you died before the bust.

Debt Money Tyranny

They won't ever show you that *reality* chart in any of the "marxist" schools.  That would be like spray painting the fascist camouflage bright orange!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:45 | 3002008 kito
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low grade food = higher medical costs..............

high grade food = lower medical costs...............

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:02 | 3002084 Spastica Rex
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lower medical costs = lower profits..............................

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:16 | 3002148 bobola
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So true.  That is precisely why nothing meaningfull will be done to reverse this obesity epidemic. 

Sheeple don't care because bad food is tasty, affordable and readily available. 

The so-called health care industry doesn't care because they are making money.

Elected officials don't care because their home district voters don't care.

My earlier post about batter coated french fries being legally called 'fresh vegetables' proves this;

To have a federal judge make that ruling is well organized insanity...


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:29 | 3002480 Winston Churchill
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Morbidity is so much more profitable than  premature mortalitity.

BMI is an indicator of morbidity not mortality,by the way.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:36 | 3002443 Augustus
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What is a definition of "low grade food."  And also, please, what is "high grade food?"


Cost really has little to do with it.

An apple, some broccoli, a couple of eggs, a couple of tablespoons of coconut oil, and some oatmeal solves much of the nutrition necessity.  Pretty inexpensive.

The facts of the matter is that most people are simply lazy and will eat what is handily available at modest cost.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:08 | 3003070 TBT or not TBT
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Apples are very high in fructose, and evolution did not select us for environments where high fructose foods are available all year around, because there are hardly any such environments.

Want to spike your LDL cholesterol.   The most reliable, quickest way is to eat some fructose.   Apple juice is perfect, because it is exceptionally high in fructose.   Also, Adam and Eve, too...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:46 | 3002009 blunderdog
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It's extremely dishonest to post that '85 chart and that '08 chart right next to each other.

The definition for "obese" changed dramatically in the '90s--I think it was '95.

The comparison is not valid.  It implies a massive explosion in the levels of obesity, but in fact, all that's happened is we've dramatically lowered the bar to "qualify" as obese.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:49 | 3002027 Flakmeister
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You may be correct in the change of defination of obesity, but these charts are for BMI > 30....

Unless you are arguing that the definition of BMI changed...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:54 | 3002053 blunderdog
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There was no data back in '85 for the vast majority of states, *AND* we didn't use BMI as the end-all/be-all definition of obesity at the time.

BMI is a lousy metric.  Height vs. weight DOES NOT WORK without taking into consideration skeletal size and relative muscle-mass (EXCEPT as a predictor of mortality rates). 

Big people don't live as long as little people, but that doesn't mean they're fat or "unhealthy."

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:15 | 3002140 Flakmeister
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Perfect is the enemy of good...

Are you referring to this"?

or this

where they clearly show what states (~1/2) do not have data....

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:23 | 3002395 blunderdog
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I don't understand the question.

It's not about "perfection."  It's an issue of making even a *rudimentary* effort to assess whether a person is FAT or not, rather than whether they are simply "heavier than 'optimal' for their height."

"Optimal" is defined by mortality rates.  Mortality rates have always shown that little people are less likely to die.  This means: people with small frames and less muscle are less likely to die all other things being equal.

BUT...BMI is used to define what is "obese," and when people use the word "obese," they're usually thinking of FATNESS.  That's not what BMI is telling you--it's just a measurement of weight vs. height.  Sylvester Stallone is MORBIDLY OBESE according to BMI.

Is Sylvester Stallone FAT?

I'm 5' 10", about 205.  This puts me right at the boundary between "obese" and "overweight."  I could definitely drop 20 pounds and get my bodyfat down to about 8% and would STILL BE overweight according to the BMI charts.  I have yet to meet a person my height who has hands are large as mine.  ALTHOUGH I know full-well I'm not statistically likely to live as long as a skinny person who's 5' 10", it makes no sense to PRETEND that BMI is measuring how "fat" I am.  I'm just not that fat--I have a big skeleton and (since spending a few years in the gym awhile back) a great deal more muscle mass than average.  My thighs are about 27" in circumference, with at most a quarter-inch cutaneous fat-layer on them.

BMI is a FINE metric to use to predict mortality.  It's NOT a valid metric to determine what any given individual's "healthy weight" is. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:06 | 3002505 Flakmeister
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Re: BMI, yes, it is not a partciularly useful guideline for an individuals healthy weight, but is it a quick and dirty way to quantify a population? To the latter, the answer is yes....

Think of two distributions that are convoluted. One represents the range of BMI for healthy individuals, (i.e. the body type variation), the other the BMI of a random sample. The first does not vary with time, the later does. Therefore you can clearly quantify the evolution of obesity in a population using BMI... 

I think people would be shocked by the BMI information for WWII draftees....

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:10 | 3002596 blunderdog
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It may well be that people are fatter today than they were in '85, but to be honest, I'm not even sure that's accurate.  In '85, it was pretty unusual for the "average person" to do any weight-training.  Increased muscle-mass and bone-density both increase an individual's weight.

Given that BMI only measures height/weight, the increased popularity of weight-training has increased average BMI.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:41 | 3002752 Flakmeister
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You are clutching at straws re: weight-training...

I can remember my high school graduating class, there were 1 maybe 2 seriously obese people in a group of ~400 students.

Hell, they started me on the O-line in Bantam football back then because I was "large" at 160 lbs as a 15 yo. (they then found out I could throw a football 50 yds, but that is another story)...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:10 | 3002856 blunderdog
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I'm not clutching at anything.  I'm just not compelled by the MSM story that there's been this massive increase in people's overall fatness. In 1983 I lived next door to a woman who was 5' 5" and about 220.  Folks like that are still the exception in my part of the world.

It's certainly possible that everyone's hugely fat today and they weren't 30 years back, daresay even LIKELY--it SEEMS true--but I'd like to see better data than BMI statistics, because BMI statistics don't MEASURE fatness.

EDIT: I'm reminded of another massive epidemic that's been sweeping the USA if you believe the teevee: crystal meth usage.

Amazing, isn't it, that our crystal meth consumption is going through the same roof that the number of fat fucks is... 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:53 | 3002047 jjsilver
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The same holds true for blood tests. You always see a range for any given test, but those test ranges have changed over the years. The cholesterol values are a good example; to get you on statins. The cholesterol heart disease fear mongering is a complete fraud.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:21 | 3003107 TBT or not TBT
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Doctors have been measuring cholesterol for a very long time because it is something they can easily and cheaply do, that seems scientific and rational, authoritative.   That is part of their shtick, BTW, that and latin names(you go to the doctor with red skin and they authoritatively conclude you have skin irritation, with a latin name though).    What they were measuring and declaring meanigful if go back far enough into this gigantic fraud, was what we call today "total cholesterol."   Some giant, expensive, poor quality studies had shown that this measurement barely has any correlation with disease at all, but the studies set out to find that it did, and so the AHA declared that it was so.    That was ridiculous, scientifically, but a marketing success, sort of like "Angus Beef" which is any breed of cow at all as long as it had pretty dark hair before it was butchered.    Still, some refinement wsa made to say it is really the "LDL" or "bad cholesterol" that was most of the problem, and that has taken hold.   But LDL is expensive to measure so they don't actually meaure it.   Yeah, your LDL number wasn't measured, ever.  It was "calculated."   Worse, we know that it isn't even total LDL (if you will) that correlates with heart disease development, it is how much small particle LDL is there that correlates strongly (and has a causal theory) with circulatory diseases.    That measurement is extra expensive.    One person was doing that measurement as far back as the 50's, and was pointing out that only that measurement correlated with disease, but again that was an expensive measurement beyond clinical and marketing capabilities of the AMA and AHA and government.     Also, the message was off, in terms of what it implied about what people should eat.    The government wants to promote cheap industrial food, because that's good for government.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 03:23 | 3004070 All Risk No Reward
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Just to clarify, Big Finance Capital uses government to promote their controlled industrial food because that's good for Big Finance Capital (Big Chem, Big Agra, Big Pharma, Big Debt Money Tyranny).  The government is the curtain.  Big Finance Capital is the pot bellied punk "Wizard," not the Muppets they finance and promote to play government "curtain."  In theory, the government has the power once Big Finance Capital finances and promotes them to power (as opposed to someone else).  In theory, JFK should still be alive.

Debt Money Tyranny is defined in this money flow chart:

I understand that TG/HDL (triglycerides over HDL cholesterol) is a decent indicator of whether one's small LDL particles are out of wack.  If TG/HDL <= 1 then one has a good profile.

Dr. Sears addresses it in his various Zone books (TheAnti-Inflammation Zone is a good place to start) and the comment section of this blog post...

A cash cow based on bad science

Also note that Statinis are causing brain damage.  I guess fluoride in the water isn't causing dementia fast enough so they went to plan B, as elucidated by insider Aldous Huxley:

“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”

~Aldous Huxley

Some other links people might find interesting:

Another new wrinkle in the cholesterol story

What is Cellular Inflammation?

Changing gene expression

Preventing obesity through prenatal nutrition

A new obesity suspect

Fetal programming: Gene transformation gone wild (Part I)

Fetal programming: Gene transformation gone wild (Part 2)



Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:18 | 3002634 Abitdodgie
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Nope I think the chart is right , I go into town and they are all fat fucks.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:46 | 3002011 mrktwtch2
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i have been working out since i was 15..and now im 44 and havent seen a doctor in 6yrs..but i had blood work done for my life insurance policy and everything came back great..everthing in moderation folks and you are responsible for your body and nobody else..

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:18 | 3002156 bobola
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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 22:52 | 3003837 cbxer55
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I've been working out since I graduated hs in 79, and am now 51. I went to a doctor in June this year because of one high blood pressure reading. Had not been to a doctor since 1987. I now check my blood pressure every day and it has remained normal since the one bad reading. Blood work came back exceptional, doctor was really happy. And I do not home cook anything, eat a lot of pre-packaged stuff, hate cooking. Doctor said compared to the normal person my age, I am a race horse. ;-)

I exercise every day, varying my workout from day to day to not overwork any one particular set of muscles. Pullups, chinups, pushups, situps holding various dumbells behind my head (start at 50 pounds and work down to 10), standing erect holding 50 pound weight overhead and doing full bendover and return to erect, crunchies (upper and lower), double crunchies, grip strength exercisers (Iron Mind Captains Of Crush are the best), weight lifting and bicycling. I feel terrific, and from the neck down I look better now than I ever have in my life, neck up not so much. ;-0

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:46 | 3002015 mckee
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That's a load of rich creamery butter!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:47 | 3002016 dick cheneys ghost
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Beware the Corporate-Industrial Complex

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:47 | 3002018 foodstampbarry
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Managed Decline as much as possible,this is ALL intentional.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:23 | 3003118 TBT or not TBT
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Nah, this is a side effect of central planning of the food industry kicked off in the Great Depression then applied tyranically (but patriotically) during the global crisis called WW II.    The resulting technologies and industries marched out from there, government in their pockets and of course, vice-versa.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:48 | 3002020 LFMayor
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This is spot on stuff.  It's the GMO wheat causing celiac-like symptoms in people.   Get off the wheat, and do some reading on the "Gluten free" shit that's being trotted out. Not all of it is as good as they would like you to believe.
The book "Wheat Belly" has some pretty good explanations in it, and although my family didn't go to quite the extremes the author did, we have been a lot healthier since applying it to our diet 4 months ago.
Einkorn wheat, a more primitive strain, is a good substitute, we use it for pasta dishes and flour now.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:50 | 3002031 Ghordius
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I was under the impression that celiac diseases have a genetic component - lots of people have no problems with wheats, particularly the high-quality ones. thinking about the Italian's and French diets, full of wheat since ages

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:04 | 3002050 onelight
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Good point but modern wheat has been re-engineered, with SuperGluten, SuperSugar and a changed Wheat, not at all like the Einkorn, Emmern and Spelt that grandparents ate...Dr. Hyman has written about this, as have others...brave new world in a way...

Gluten in its natural state is part of how plants defend themselves from predators seeking their seeds, ie. an evolutionary adaptation attempt, quite the gluten causes digestive problems for those consuming wheat (berries, the seed) and for most that is not noticeable and only celiac folks had the problem...however with super-gluten the effect is increased and generalized, causing digestive problems for more people...

I've been through the whole cycle and countered it with optimized nutrition...was not easy but the science is out there.

Other aspects of modern industrialized food that also bring harm..this will get fixed eventually...modern food and medicine banished diseases that have beset humanity for millennia, but it created new problems, and especially now when purveyed within a profit-seeking corporate food producer model -- the problems really scale now, and there is risk in national healthcare models of locking-in that paradigm across the food-medicine producer spectrum -- that will get fixed too, but not right away

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:04 | 3002089 Ghordius
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SuperGluten?!?! OMG you just gave me a lot of homework (I have to confess my utter ignorance about that). And possibly a new pet hate for profit-seeking corporate food producers

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:07 | 3002106 jekyll island
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It could replace your Twinkie hate.  

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:14 | 3002132 Ghordius
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ehmm... I have only a very vague idea what a Twinkie is... last time I ate "junk food" it was in the seventies, and it was from a noodle cart in Hong Kong, a kind of deep fried sweet

I think it contained a bug, possibly a grasshopper

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:50 | 3002174 onelight
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Here's the Dr Hyman article concerning same:

There are competing views, of course, and they should be listened to as well; there are good folks on all sides of the issues. But something is going on.

And there is hope, coming from the free marketplace, per usual:

What is needed is a better public dialogue on these issues, one that unites the various parts of the spectrum around a new model. Those pursuing the GMO vision want not just profit but to stop a potential overpopulation nightmare, between now and 2050 when global population finally tops out. Those who see the damage being done to human systems with this food, and the just-obvious-junk types of food see the risk of a eugenics project, intended or unintended.

Meanwhile, public policy is working at a huge lag, but the evidence is growing that it needs to focus on the real problem, and somehow balance the issues and imperatives.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:58 | 3002066 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs. Cog's research indicates that (at least here in the USA) the gluten content in wheat products expressed as a percent has gone thru the roof in the past few years......which might explain the 'sudden' appearance of gluten issues in many people we know. Europe has been much more successful in resisting the GMO invasion.

<It's only a matter of time for them.>

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:27 | 3002188 Buckaroo Banzai
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No, I don't think that imposing GMO products on Europe is part of the plan. Europeans have been fully destabilized and mentally enslaved using other means besides wholesale degradation of the diet. That war is already won. Americans, on the other hand, are still showing signs of resistance; purely psychological and cultural attacks haven't been as effective on us. We are being subjected to a two-pronged attack; not just mental and cultural debilitation, but physical debilitation via attacking and degrading the US food supply is apparently required to subdue us.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:36 | 3003148 TBT or not TBT
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Until about forty years ago, wheat grew about 3-4 ft high.   

Modern "dwarf" wheat, which grows only 18 inches high and has a far higher yield, is something very different.  This stuff was only developed after WWII..i.e. introduced within baby boomer's intensive R&D programs designed to stave off starvation predicted by the malthusians of the time, who were looking at population growth and arable land productivity charts, and seeing how the future looked grim for billions of people .   The "dwarf" wheat that resulted from intensive and abusive breeding efforts saved billions from starvation, and for that a guy named Norman Borlaug won the Nobel Peace Prize.    Go read the Wikipedia entry.  

Anyway wheat......keeping in mind that some people are descended from civilisations which were dependent on wheat, i.e. were indeed "selected" over many generations in the Darwinian sense and winnowed down to people able to get to reproductive age with a lot of wheat in their very different today than when it was first cultivated some few millenia ago.      For millions of years before that, humans didn't eat glutens, and we'd still be better off today, those of us who can afford it anyway, not eating wheat now, not even the heritage wheat or "einkorn" or other ancient grass seeds.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:58 | 3002041 Cognitive Dissonance
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Our daughter suddenly developed celiac-like symptoms and we quickly removed all gluten from her diet. She is much better since then. 

It's only a matter of time before Mrs Cog and I fully follow suit, if for no other reason than to make meal time easier for all of us.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:00 | 3002076 Ghordius
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I'm a bit suspicious about this "celiac-like symptoms" thing. My understanding (part of my family is celiac, and this can be traced back across the family tree) is that you either are celiac or not, and that this can be tested - as I was. Of course going gluten-free is incredibly important if you are celiac, but I do smell a fashion/trend for money-making gluten-free food. Call me a skeptic.

My advice: test. And if someone in the family is indeed celiac, remember that even traces can be harmful.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:13 | 3002137 Cognitive Dissonance
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I used the term "celiac-like symptoms" in response to that specific comment. We simply say to others that our daughter has issues with gluten.

We never bothered to actually test for celiac simply because we figured it out on our own (after several thousand dollars spent on the medical "experts" with no results) then removed the gluten from her diet. Just like that her pain and discomfort vanished. Best test we could think of. No need for an "author-ity" to confirm what we already know. :)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:21 | 3002170 Ghordius
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damn, this remembers me a discussion I had during the Cold War - a friend tried to explain me how soviet medicine was more advanced in trying to find out what the heck was wrong - and besides in vaccines - because they simply did not have the resources to treat patients too much. and so diagnostics was "king"

it was mainly propaganda but it contained a kernel of truth

please don't take it the wrong way but I think it's really important to test. and know

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:47 | 3002250 Cognitive Dissonance
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Not taking you wrong in the least and I appreciate your feedback. Mrs Cog and I have very little faith in the medical arts, at least when it comes to diagnoses that run counter to the medical meme of drugs that solve all our ills. That doesn't mean we will shun the medical profession at every turn, just that we willingly accept personal responsibility for our own health and well being.

There is a point where we need to understand that medical professionals are not Gods to be blindly worshiped. We look for guidance among them, but we clearly see their blind spots. Sadly many of them do not.

I suspect that when we have our daughter in to see the doctor for other issues we will request a celiac test to feed our confirmation bias. :>)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:09 | 3002336 onelight
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Interestingly, the Soviets continued a Russian medical research focus on the benefits of Kefir which is fermented milk (raw is better, but organic will do). This would apply to fermented vegetables too. Legend goes the Russians heard about Kefir which long lived people in the Caucasus region had closely guarded as a secret for a millenium. All mythology aside, they proved the benefits across a spectrum of disease. 

The core of Kefir's value (and that of probiotics generally) is that it boosts the presence of friendly bacteria and helps them colonize the human gut, where they outnumber bad bacteria and pathogens, and can win the fight for resources there (sugars, fibers like psyllium). 

Why does this matter? The good bacteria are the navy seals of the immune system, of which 80% is located in the gut. If they are fighting a war in their own HQ they cannot launch operations elsewhere in the body. Health declines therefore, the gut becomes toxic, producing all kinds of problems mirroring celiac-like symptoms, etc. And too, the bacteria-to-brain signaling via the vagal nerve in the central nervous system is short-circuited, so signals including food satiety are limited (like leptin definciency does). 

Fast foward to today, and the big problem of our food, and the big area of potential for individuals fighting-back is to cleanse the gut area and repopulate the good bacteria, making sure they get enough fiber to prevail, and watch while the body renews itself, as a direct function of the navy seals of the immune system launching beneficial ops throughout the body, which they already know how to do -- no dirty meds required, and many of our drugs only get in the way.

This is what the Russian research of 100 years ago was proving, and now Dr. Mercola at touts (a version of) Kefir that anyone can use. I prefer my own kefir grains and there are youtube vids to explain. 

Plus, Mercola highlights Dr Natasha Campbell McBride the UK doctor who showed digestive problems as the cause of Autism and other issues (ADD, etc) because of how vaccines compound the modern problem of insufficient good bacteria colonization in the gut, which itself was nature's mechanism for how humans can stay healthy in a world full of microbes.

ou can get a fermented veggies product that maps to her recommended diet at:

They are overwhelmed with business now, which argues that every CSA around the country should add this kind of product to their delivered veggies. 

What all of that says to me is that the average person can now take back their health via traditional food methods, while at the same time respecting modern science and medicine, just no longer being a guinea pig for their occasionally failed experiments. And for how the modern food paradigm, for whatever reason, triggers so many health-impairing effects.

And we can keep the kids out of that dark tunnel too now. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:04 | 3002568 Winston Churchill
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Whats the difference between God and a Doctor.

God doesn't believe he is a doc.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:51 | 3002802 IEVI
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You don't need a doctor to run that lab test or any other. You can have it done yourself through any of the many online wesbites that offer those services. Here's couple that are good.

There is also this great site to help you understand the results of just about any lab test.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:32 | 3002932 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thank you.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:29 | 3002199 Buckaroo Banzai
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Holy crap, Cog, you actually took personal responsibility for your family's health?? THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PLAN.

Expect a knock on your door shortly, LOL.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:46 | 3002264 Cognitive Dissonance
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Trying to remove the implanted-since-birth mind control one issue at a time.

It begins with understanding that sovereignty begins within.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:31 | 3002702 Abitdodgie
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I live in North Dakota and the doctors tell everybody no matter what the problem, that it is in your genetics and it is hereditary so you have to take a pill or you will die , they belive him

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:51 | 3002798 eaglerock
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I was overweigt ten years ago and went to my doc for high blood pressure.  He refused to give me pills, told me start exercising, lose ten pounds and see him in six weeks.  Wouldn't give me pills.  I did that, went on to lose 20 more pounds and have been in great health ever since.  Ran first marathon last week at age 57.  Wish we could clone my doctor.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:07 | 3002853 onelight
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Good story -- thanks.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:45 | 3003181 TBT or not TBT
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Actually, the gold standard test for celiac disease, an expensive test, does not identify all celiac-spectrum gluten sensitivities, not by a long shot.   Most doctors' idea of celiac symptoms mean most people who are suffering from the ravages of wheat proteins don't even hear this hypothesis from their primary care doctors, because the sufferer does not present the old school check box symptoms, for example severe digestive issues, ahem.    It is a fair guess that 90% of people with chronic conditions resulting from wheat gluten consumption will not be diagnosed as such by the medical community.  They'll either discover it on their own or continue suffering from it. 

BTW, in humans, pepsin plus stomach acid plus wheat glutens creates narcotic compounds that pass the blood brain barrier and stimulate the same receptors that addictive narcotics do.   So eating bread produces short lived and addictive pleasure, combined with a massive glycemic spike.     Bread ranks higher in glycemic index even than table sugar.   Yeah.   Go look at a glycemic index chart, ad compare the numbers for bread versus those for straight up granulated table sugar.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:05 | 3002092 WillyGroper
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Gluten (gliadin) also in barley & rye. Toxic. Dr. Oz had a very informative show on this. 

Where can one get the Einkorn strain? TIA

Saw an advert for an organic turkey. "Gluten Free"  LMAO

There's so much deceptive labeling that's perfectly legal. Imagine that.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:12 | 3002131 Spastica Rex
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Deception: it's not just legal, it's de rigueur!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:29 | 3002196 onelight
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I don't know about finding Einkorn, Willy, but here is an old family farm in eastern Washington state I think, that now focuses on Spelt, one of the other ancient grains:

Also, the Doctor Kracker line of crispbreads has the healthy version of the old-style breads - ver healthy, I nibble on them during the trading day.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:47 | 3002267 RobD
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Even the "ancient grains" are not all that ancient in human evolutionary terms. We have only been trying to eat grains for about 10,000 years which is not enough time to adapt to them and that is why they cause so many heath problems. Best to stay away from any grains and eat as our spear chucking ancestors did. If grandpa spear chucker could not spear it or pick it off the ground and eat it raw then don't eat it.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:13 | 3002360 Ghordius
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I disagree. it depends from your genetics how well you are adapted to grains or not. the "neanderthal diet" you are describing is not for everyone

see for example how well Scandinavians of gothic descent are well adapted to dairy products like cheeses and how well they can digest even raw milk - also not for everyone

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:05 | 3002574 Ayn NY
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I read an article that said that something like 90% of blue eyed people have the gene that allows them to tolerate lactose. This was apparently a recent (10,000 years?) evolutionary developement.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:53 | 3003211 TBT or not TBT
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Sure, there have been selection pressures on various populations over the last few thousand years and those account for differences in adaptability.    For example, the peoples of the Andes are well adapted to the altitude, genetically, because those that weren't in the past, or aren't in the present, do not reach breeding age.   Ditto with wheat, or dairy, or even malarial mosquitoes as a selection pressure.    But count generations.   There have been well less than 100 generations since wheat was adopted in some places by some people in reaction to particular pressures and oppotunities.    And get this, modern dwarf wheat was adopted less than a full human generation ago.   The massive increase in obesity correlates pretty well with its widespread adoption.   Wheat accounts now for 25% of human calorie consumption worldwide, whcih was far from the case a mere generation ago, when wheat's yield was something like 5 to 8 times worse.   Gluten from wheat gets used in everything now, because it is so cheap, and has a bunch of interesting properties.   But this cheap wheat is NEW to the human diet, barley a generation old.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:03 | 3002561 Freedom In Your...
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Something else I found interesting in my research on health and nutrition, about the same time (approximately 12,000 - 15,000 years ago) the human brain began to shrink in physical size. If you believe in coincidence, it had absolutely nothing to do with the rise of agriculture and the regular consumption of foods not evolutionarily fit for human beings.

I have also found some interesting studies that show the shrinking size of the human brain could have been caused by the migration of human beings inland away from sources of food found in the ocean which have a unique set of minerals and fatty acids required to form the human brain during pregnancy and support its growth during childhood.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:23 | 3002660 Abitdodgie
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I stoped eating wheat about 4 months ago as will I feel great. By the way most organic veg's are fed or sprayed with MSG.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:50 | 3002032 Tinky
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The dietary choices made by most Americans are fine metaphors for the current U.S. economic predicament. The immediate hunger for superficially satisfying food/products must be satisfied, and little if any thought is given to potential long term consequences.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:51 | 3002035 VonManstein
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Salt is not bad for you and nor is fat. Eskimos eat fat and meat and nothing else and they have great skin, are not obese or riddled with cancers.. Diabetes doesn’t exist. They have no health issues to speak of.

Stomach acid (hydrochloric acid) is made from salt (sodium chloride) salt is not bad for you. Sea salt anyway.

What is bad for you in excess consumption of Sugar, Grains and carbohydrate and all refined products, trans fats like sunflower oil and margarine.

Clueless author doesn’t mention any of these things just... He/she knows nothing about nutrition and is misleading readers into the false and dangerous conventional thinking that “fat is bad”


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:58 | 3002067 blunderdog
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The average human body REQUIRES about 2 grams of salt per day.  Americans on crappy diets probably get way more than that, but it is certainly worth remembering that salt is a *crucial* nutrient.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:02 | 3002081 Jumbotron
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Clueless author doesn’t mention any of these things just... He/she knows nothing about nutrition and is misleading readers into the false and dangerous conventional thinking that “fat is bad”



You're the fucking idiot VonManstein. REREAD the article bonehead and don't read it with your libertarian shades on.  Every food he mentions he prefaces with the fact that is has TOO much salt or sugar or fat.  THAT is to say an EXCESS.  That is the way of industrialized food processing you dolt.


But're too afraid the government might take away your God given right to bankrupt the medical system to support your fat ass or somebody else's fat ass.


I don't want it either.  But please.....don't make us on the rational side of things look like morons with your baseless attack on Charles Hugh-Smith

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:18 | 3002158 Dr. Engali
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"don't make us on the rational side of things look like morons"


Your response looks like it's anything but a matter of fact it's the opposite of rational. For you to call a person you never met and know nothing about a fat ass , fucking idiot , or a dolt pretty much puts you in the irrational camp.



Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:08 | 3002583 Jumbotron
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Your response looks like it's anything but a matter of fact it's the opposite of rational. For you to call a person you never met and know nothing about a fat ass , fucking idiot , or a dolt pretty much puts you in the irrational camp.

 Make a baseless claim around me shithead and you suffer the consequences

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