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Guest Post: Statist Thugs And The Rocks They Crawl Out From Under

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

A mass exodus from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny is the dream of every freedom loving person within the Liberty Movement today.  We would like nothing better than to put an end to the expanding establishment police state in the most peaceful manner possible.  We dream of a day when a transition back to the Constitutional values that once made America brilliantly unique in the world is possible, and can be accomplished without incredible pain or terrible bloodshed.  We long for that once-in-a-century uprising, that great march, that spontaneous eruption of the citizenry demanding a more truthful government.  At the same time, though, we realize that such events are rare, and few if any great changes in the history of man are made without sacrifice, and without direct confrontation.

The reason why peaceful and popular activism almost never occurs successfully, the reason why good people are made to stand and suffer, falls not only to the establishment elites who seek out and abuse power; there are others who share in the blame.  Regardless of the age, the culture, or the social conditions, there is ALWAYS a percentage of the general populace that embraces the totalitarian dynamic.  There is always someone in our neighborhood, in our workplace, and within our family that finds vindication or advantage in supporting the state, even if the state has turned viciously criminal.  They are not only useful idiots; they are conscious participants in the process of pacification and enslavement of their own society.  They understand their role perfectly, and they enjoy what they do.

The psychologist Carl Jung in his examination of the rise of violent fascism in Germany as well as the collectivist surveillance state in communist Russia theorized that there is in fact a certain percentage of people in any given epoch that carry within them a latent ability to abandon conscience.  That is to say, there is always hidden within a portion of the multitude an inborn potential for sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies.  These tendencies remain dormant for many under most circumstances, but every once in a while a society falters to the point where such diseases of the soul are encouraged, and the monsters in millions are allowed to come out and play.  

Is it possible that some men are more apt towards truth and freedom while others take more naturally to dominance and deceit?  Perhaps.  I find that under certain circumstances even the best human beings can make catastrophic errors in judgment.  However, there is a difference between those who misstep in life, and those who savor destruction.  For these people I reserve the label of the “statist thug”; a ghoul in common man’s drag just waiting for the opportunity to scrape out a spoonful of petty authority and assert his will over others.  These folks are the day’s damned.  And what’s worse; though they may have been born with a predisposition towards despotism, they still had a choice, and they chose villainy.  They deserve no special treatment and no quarter from us.

As America faces down wave after wave of fiscal difficulties, a government gone rogue with false left/right politics, and policies that disregard civil liberties for the sake of centralized authority, I believe the statist thugs of our time will soon flow out of the dark recesses and rotten sputtering gutters of our society like a river of septic putrescence.  We all know them when we see them, but do we really understand what makes them tick?  Here are some common psychological attributes of the overzealous statist; the failings and inadequacies that make him what he is…  

Statist Thugs Thrive During Immoral Times

The worst statists are utter screw-ups and failures in normal or semi-normal environments.  They barely have the ability to function without constant surrounding chaos and desperation which they use to camouflage their spastic and childish characters.  They are often seen as the dregs of a culture during peaceful years, and only climb to prominence when crisis overtakes the nation.  When a social environment turns tenuous or explosive, the statist excels.  Corrupt governments require the aid of questionable individuals in order to tighten control at the local level, and so anyone willing to set aside morality and principle automatically becomes a highly valued commodity.  Statists will flock to government employment during national “emergencies” or unjust wars, and use the inbred system to their advantage.

Statist Thugs Want Respect, Even If They Don’t Deserve It

Statists demand respect, and they will pursue authoritative positions just so they can remind people of the respect they are supposedly owed.  Some of them do realize that legitimate respect is earned through valuable works, knowledge, experience, and generous creativity.  They know it cannot be bought, and that it cannot be conned through clever talk, boastful discussion, and theatrical chest beating.  And so, instead of attempting real achievement, or taking the risk of falsely playing a part and being exposed, they look for a title and a uniform to fill the void.  They eventually attain respect derived by force through institutions within the system.  This title will likely be a miniscule part of the overall government conglomerate, but the statist will act as if he is the emperor of Earth once you wander into his narrow jurisdiction.  The slightest hint of defiance will send him into fits of rage.

Statist Thugs Only Understand Violence

Keep in mind that not every person in a uniform is a statist, and identifying them is more a matter of behavior than outward appearance.  There is no such thing as reason, logic, or even law in the realm of the statist thug.  You cannot discuss a matter of conflict with him.  You cannot point out that the legal structure he claims to represent does not support his views.  You cannot calm him using words and solid philosophy.  The only thing he understands is power, and the only thing that he regards is strength.  When faced with overwhelming reason, the statist will attack rather than think.  This attack, unfortunately, will only be silenced by an equal or greater display of force…

Statist Thugs Savor Weakness In Others

Show any signs of fear or weakness and you have given the statist exactly what he has always wanted.  He does not desire an equal fight.  In truth, he avoids situations in which his opponents are fairly matched.  This is because, deep down, all statists and power monger are cowards.  Anyone who is so desperate to control every aspect of his environment even to the point of hurting and enslaving others is obviously afraid of a great many things.  Attempting to be quietly diplomatic or grasping for mercy only encourages them to take their maliciousness to the next level.  Statists seek easy prey to satiate their thirst for dominance.  They will abuse women, children, the elderly and disabled, anyone that cannot defend themselves.  As soon as the goon encounters a person willing and able to fight back, however, his smug façade disappears and the hidden coward emerges.

Statist Thugs Love Law For The Law’s Sake

Statists revel in bureaucracy and red tape.  They love laws and regulations regardless of application.  They feel safe within a highly structured and contained system because most of them are followers, not leaders.  The idea that they may one day have to blaze their own path without the aid of a vast government machine cradling them like lost infants is terrifying to them.  Statists are not able to survive without someone telling them what to do and when to do it.  On the other side of the coin, they also enjoy the manner in which the modern legal framework can be twisted to fit whatever disturbed logic happens to strike them.  The more a society is cluttered with overt legalities, the easier it is to misinterpret and exploit the distraction and confusion they create.

Statists Believe Government Should Parent Society

The goal of a statist is to impress his will upon others by any means necessary.  Government simply offers the most expedient and convenient tool for them to do the job.  Of course, in their minds many of them will try to rationalize the abuse of government power by asserting that it is ultimately for the good of everyone.  It is not enough for them to live life the way they see fit for themselves; all people must be “shown the light” for the betterment of the group as a whole.  When confronted with someone who dissents against their oppressive world view, they usually respond by accusing the activist of “not caring about other people’s well being, or the well being of the country”.   You will almost always hear the Statist talk about the group, or the collective, over the individual, because the easiest way to dominate the citizenry is to erase the concept of unique individualism and condition them towards herd behavior.  Individuals with strong characters infuriate statists. 

Anyone Can Be A Statist

Many people (myself included) have never found much solace in the establishment and its parade of self-importance.  For me, most methodologies of government have always been a sick kind of joke.  Elaborate buildings and ceremonies, nice suits and uniforms, the money and the celebrity, the news shows and talking heads; it’s all costume.  It’s a parade of drunken clowns and carneys dipped in glamour and glitter and pomp.

The very concept of government is in itself an abstraction.  It is an artificial social edifice that seems to give weaker men a sense of security (or false security), even when it is at bottom a threat to them.  The assumption is that the establishment (meaning the power elite) must exist at all costs.  The statist cannot imagine otherwise.  He is at once a fan of the totalitarian game and an avid bouncing giggling cheerleader.  His greatest dream is to be a part of the beast; to share in the “glory” of the empire and live vicariously through its conquests.

A statist thug can be anyone, from the overweight and overzealous TSA agent at the airport to the brutally nosy and vicious old lady next door.  Some participate in tyranny directly by wearing the uniform and wielding the baton, while others participate behind closed doors and curtains by informing on their neighbors.  Regardless of their demeanor, each statist has one thing in common; an obsession with the continuance of the system to the point of madness.  There is absolutely nothing the state can do to make them second guess their love affair.  No crime too shocking,no attack too unjust.  During the blackest moments of mankind, they are the willing tools of oppression.  They make revolution - physical revolution, necessary.  With them, oligarchs take root.  Without them, oligarchs take shelter, or disappear altogether...


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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Fuck you, Cuffy Meigs!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment tsx500
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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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FOWARD!  Because 2 R's are rredunant.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Kill the central bankers; end the Fed, hang politicians, the shit can be fixed, but not without killing a few people.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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The 'liberty movement' is nothing more than a front group for corporate interests who care about nothing but profit. Trickle Down Economics has failed, and there’s no denying it. Here's the fundamental point liberals are making: If CEOs can make millions, why can't I also get a high salary? If big shots get to retire early, why can't I? I'm still waiting for libertarians to answer these fundamental questions.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:37 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Uh, because there is this thing called the Federal Reserve.  They print money for their friends on Wall Street and Washington DC.  If you are on the list of friends you win.  If not you need to get a job and have talent.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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MDB has tallent look at the stocks he picks , how's Facebook working out for you MDB

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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Did you know the United States has not had a Government since 1871 , when the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a corporation started inpersonating the Government. Go ahead chalenge them to demonstrate that todays Gov't is the same one as establised at the inception of this country , and not a Corporation. They cannot do it .

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Actually the 'US is a corporation' stuff appears to be, mostly, just horseshit.


Not horseshit:  The 1913 federal reserve act was and is unconstitutional on its face, but was upheld by the SC in decisions which should be nullified.


I see the issuing power as the sine qua non of the strangelhold "elites" and war profiteers and bankers have on our labor and future.


Don't get sidetracked.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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MDB is a perfect socially engineered tool of the communitarian collectivist cult. Agenda21er, Progresser, one world government NWO, brainwashed agent spreading mindless, meaningless words he thinks will finish off the US Constitution and the USA for good. 

I'm 52 and have never seen Aldous Huxley's Brave New World till today, and 1984 by George Orwell till last week. Never read the books but knew through research what they were All about. The thing I got new out of watching the movies, it's people like MDB who are actively working toward the vision portrayed in these two great movies. Especially Brave New World where people self drug with Soma constantly and have scheduled fuck secessions regularly if you are in the upper classes. I think the prospect of a world like this is what drives people like MDB to be busybody socially engineered control freaks, for whatever sick twisted reason.

These are Free on Youtube to watch;

Aldous Huxley's Brave New World

1984 1956.mp4


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Master propagandist (so I'm stretching things), for the 'other' side ...


Please. post more 'chemtrail' videos. They give any poster added credibility.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Why do we need a Fed and a Treasury?

End the Fed and their insane interest charges, force the Treasury to print money and back it by something. SOMETHING.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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You've got to watch Equilibrium, with Christian Bale.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Mary Wilbur
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It's also a good idea to read Aldous Huxley's Animal Farm.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Jorge Arwell's 1984½ is essential reading too.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBoner_
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You know how people choose aliases which still give hints of their true identity?

Like if you were Michael Jackson and you wanted an alias, you might choose Jack Michaelson, for instance?

And you know how some people become so obsessed with their own identity and status, they get a bit paranoid?

Weeellll... MDB happens to be BDM in reverse....

Blythe?!? that you, sweetie?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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" The 1913 federal reserve act was and is unconstitutional ..."


Tilted at many windmills lately?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment archon
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I'll take a stab at this...   because life's not all about who has more money, or who retires where and when?  If that's what you think it's all about, then you're a slave and don't even know it.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Andrew Jackson ...
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Got sunglasses, bitchez ?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:09 | Link to Comment ShorTed
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when your contribution to the corporate bottom line equals that of the ceo, then you deserve the same salary ;-)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Rick Blaine
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That's a joke, right?  I really can't tell...but assuming it's not a joke:

Let me make a similar argument...

If brain surgeons make $500K per year (or whatever), why can't I get same salary working at the driving range?

Uh, well, brain surgeons possess a skill that few people on the planet have...which is needed by a larger group of people.  The same can not really be said for people who work at driving ranges...and I know that for a fact because I worked at golf courses/driving ranges in high school and undergrad.

So, the balance of supply vs demand causes the market to place a pretty high value on their time/effort.

If you don't want brain surgeons to make that much money, ok..fine...but the result would simply be that even less people would be willing to take the time, etc. to learn that skill.

Is there a fair amount of BS in the salaries of some CEOs? Sure there is...but IN GENERAL, they can run companies better than the average dude walking down the street.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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That's a joke, right?  I really can't tell...but assuming it's not a joke:

You made the wrong assumption. This is MillionDollarBonus_ - take a look at all the comments from this user & you should no longer be in doubt.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:04 | Link to Comment Clark Bent
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Libertarian answer to fundamental liberal questions: cuz you're a disgusting worthless puke and those with more good stuff are better than you are as defined by your own manner of measuring. For example, they are not carping about not having things that others have, especially where those others have earned them. Fundamental libertarian question to liberal: why haven't you drowned yourself rather than live detestably? 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Slightly Insane
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Million Dollar Bonus .... you have missed the point.  I deem you to be a true statist, of the highest order.  You have a complete lack of logical understanding of things, and have never thought like a free man.  Your observations are always from the perspective of the statist.  You will never achieve anything of merit, you ride on others coat tails everywhere.  You sir are a parasite and a troll.  The reason you will never make it big, except maybe as a prison guard (the perfect statist occupation), is because you seek to blame others for everything.  You think the Government will provide you with a level playing field, they will not.  The liberty movement was not a front for corporate interests, but a direct challange to the "statist mentality" that exists in the two party system.  (Your Occupy Movement though was a front for the Coorporate interests.  You obviously think that wealth is created by Government and not the private sector; hence you would not be attacking "profit", and "capitalism".

The simple reason that you cannot generate a high salary is because you are waiting for someone else to provide you with a living.  People like you avoid risk, and prefer to work the "union job" where someone else does your bidding even though you are below average.  You lack the drive.  I bet that you were the ahole that volunteered to be the class snitch to the teacher .... so you could weild some form of abusive power. 

Just go back to being the classroom snitch, or the prison guard .... the only way you'll ever be rich is if you hit the lootery.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 22:44 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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throwing in "trickle down economics" and "liberty movement" is a Fail.

It's one thing to tag a number of items that rile people up, it's quite another to throw conflicting ones together like a meme-generator hoping for trolling-hits.

You may count this as a troll-hit if you'd like but I think exposing the mechanism of Fail involved in the ) algorithm qualifies as something else.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment hapless
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"If big shots get to retire early, why can't I?"

Simple.  If you (and everybody else) get to retire early, then early stops being early and becomes merely normal.

Oh, and because you're a cocksucker.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment A Middle Child ...
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Ultimately, those who elect those politicians will also need to be killed. Flushing the turds down the toilet doesn't do anything to address the source of the turds. With any luck, most of them will starve to death or kill one another.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Fuck it, why dont you just kill everyone and invade poland.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBoner_
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Revolution is like Saturn, it devours its own children.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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you are just like the statist sociopaths 9698 every fucking day calling for death, destruction and hatred of certain isolated peoples. fucktard.

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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment archon
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"FOWARD!  Because 2 R's are rredunant."

Double plus good!  We like less redundant!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Slightly Insane
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Didn't he just define the MSM?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Dumpster Fire
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They are out there yes.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:37 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Democrats trying to control the economy and Republicans trying to control the bedroom. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Things would go one hell of alot better if people would just butt out of everyone else's business.   There are far too many busy bodies who think they need to stick their nose where it doesn't belong.  Like MDB.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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I worked with a guy 25 years younger, 100lbs heavier and who worked his home weights as if he was in supermax and  who liked to intimidate those around him with his prowess.  In other words, a pain in the ass.  He would say things like "two blows, one my fist and the other you hitting the floor."  Like I say, a pain in the ass. Oh, and I'd mark him as a 'statist'.

A fair fight?  Not from me. If I really had a problem with him I'd meet him around the corner with a blind-sided 4x4 (endo) or such.  "A man's got to know his limitations."

In these times be as independent of the larger beauracracies as possible yet netted into your local community.

The Republic is dead and has been for awhile.  Sad, but true.

Isn't this exciting?!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment klockwerks
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Very well done piece. Gives all ZH readers good insight on what we are up against and what is coming. Thanks for the read

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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About 45 years ago I began reading about WW2, and one cannot read about that without encountering the SS, treatment of conquered peoples, etc.  At first I was amazed by the willingness of "Germans" to do those things to others.  "What was wrong with Germans?", I wondered as a youth.  Now I vomit whenever I hear an American say "thank god that can't happen here."

I came to the same conclusions as Mr. Smith some time ago, but have never been able to put it into words nearly as well, nor for such a wide readership.  These elements exist within all populations and are merely awaiting an opportunity to "express" themselves.  Thank you Mr. Smith.

Most recently I have read "Ordinary Men."  I read it after reading "Gotterdammerung 1945, Germany's Last Stand In The East," which quickly rendered me able to read only a few pages of it at a sitting, it is that depressing.  If you want to know how deep the fucking rabbit hole goes, try reading this one.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Mary Wilbur
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I have travelled the same road. It's extremely depressing.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment goat
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Gotterdammerung is an amazing book.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment strannick
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A mass exodus from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny is the dream of every freedom loving person within the Liberty Movement today.

Is he saying ignorance and tyranny are the only options?

Or is he grammatically impaired?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment PeterLemonJello
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I might try re-reading that sentence again and noticing the difference between "a mass exodus from ignorance" and "organized opposition to tyranny".

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Yardfarmer
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it's all self serving BS and the pompous empty rhetoric of provocation any way you read it.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:57 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Oops; that's going to leave a mark.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment TrulyBelieving
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There is plenty reason to say that provocation part you speak of was initiated by the Statist side. It is 'they' that encroach, unconstitutionally, upon what is mine and it is 'they' that break the Law, not us.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:06 | Link to Comment archon
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It's called a "compound subject" - "A mass exodus from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny" is the subject. "The dream of every freedom loving person" is the object.  In other words, all freedom-loving people would dream about being free from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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They just don't teach good English no more.  Sad.

It's interesting to note the similarities in the sentiment of the article and some of the older, classic libertarian philosophies.  Albert Jay Nock comes to mind.

"If a regime of complete economic freedom be established, social and political freedom will follow automatically; and until it is established neither social nor political freedom can exist. Here one comes in sight of the reason why the State will never tolerate the establishment of economic freedom. In a spirit of sheer conscious fraud, the State will at any time offer its people 'four freedoms,' or six, or any number; but it will never let them have economic freedom. If it did, it would be signing its own death-warrant, for as Lenin pointed out, 'it is nonsense to make any pretence of reconciling the State and liberty.' Our economic system being what it is, and the State being what it is, all the mass verbiage about 'the free peoples' and 'the free democracies' is merely so much obscene buffoonery."

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Nicely put Rocky...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Shouldn't it be: A mass exodus from ignorance and organized opposition to tyranny ARE the dream of every freedom loving person. ?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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The compound subject describes a state of being which can be construed to be singular.   It's not a strict construction nor rule.  It's all in the interpretation.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Better off to insert the transitive and eliminate all doubt about what you mean. May I suggest you learn logic application and axiomatic theory from Liberty Classrom?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment not fat not stupid
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All hyperbole and bile. zero information.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Dumpster Fire
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It still felt good.  I was going to close the drapes anyway

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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment Clark Bent
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Rich. Heh-heh. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment akak
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All hyperbole and bile. zero information.

Agreed --- much like any of the 100,000 mindlessly anti-American rants of AnAnnoyingUs.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Ha ha. Even when he's not here, you mock him.  Good job.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment akak
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The spirit of hypocritizenistic blobbing-up Chinese 'american' citizenism is always with us, alas, alas, triple alas!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:10 | Link to Comment goat
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Its eternal.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Must have been written while in the crash cycle brought about from yesterday's Twinkie binge................

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Yet you bothered to read it and fail to recognize the irony of your post.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Ayreos
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Not only bile and hyperbole, also wrong in many ways. Assuming inherently "evil" humans hide among the mass like the servants of some evil lord in a fantasy novel can only be the comical perception of a childish sociopath.

The dynamics and sociological ramifications of the class conflict which occurs in an economic recession are something far less mystical. A policy will always benefit one group and damage another. All humans have tendencies to violence and obedience to authority and in a situation of perceived general inequality humans will always find enemies to fight. A superficial reasoning, an authority on two opposing sides: that's enough to begin war. Both sides always perceive rightfulness in their actions. The losers of the conflict get labelled evil. This is common knowledge.

Currently, the  consequences of cyclic economic disregulation has people ready to wage wars on each other once more. This one even invented "evil non-humans hidden among us" we should look out for.

The political class and financial elite are simply doing what is in their interest, like everyone else. What should follow is united pressure on the political organs to tightly regulate the financial world once more, but here we're busy making monsters out of men. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Clark Bent
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I can tell by the way you use your talk that you are vile. Do you suppose you control chaos by embracing it as pragmatic? Who among us indeed can judge salt from strychnine? 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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See something,say something.

Yes they are out there,sons daughters,neighbors......

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Let them eat iPads
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A thought provoking and detailed analysis of FOX news.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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The good thing is all statist like to dress up in costumes, thus sticking out like sore thumbs

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Stop it. Stop it.  Otherwise I will see statist thugs wherever I look.  My friends.  My family.  My neighbors.  My wife.   My children.  There is no end.  

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Why should you be luckier than pre-WWII in Germany?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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I wouldn't say luckier yet.  We might be in pre-WWIII America.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment michaelsuede
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Awesome article.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Burticus
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Throughout history, rich & powerful people always have paid poor people to murder & rob other poor people.

History also shows us that tyrants never relinquish power voluntarily and always pay minions to maintain control and the status quo.

Ask yourself whether you care whether the criminal gang murdering and robbing your family is wearing a badge or uniform?

Law enforcement and the military must decide which way will they shoot, at their masters giving the orders or at their families, friends, neighbors and co-workers.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Oathkeepers? Are you serious? 

Oathkeepers is nothing but a hypocritical front, fake, weak, pussy organization which poses as strong Constitutionalists.  Yea, right.  I was banned from OK by actually posting the following news artincle from Washington's BLOG:

Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda

In retrospect, my feeling is I should have not joined OathKeepers as I see the freedom of expression and individual critical thinking skills is not tolerated.  The site is hypocritical of the very essence of what the OathKeeper mission is.  To  defend the Freedom of speech/expression and The Constitution For The United States of Amercia. 




There's more freedom of speech at ZeroHedge than Oathfakers.  Go figure. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Had similar experience. They couldn't take my positive spin on Iceland telling the banksters to shove it. Useless group of wannabes.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Absolutely!!!  What's more chilling is the reason given for my ban.

You have been banned for the following reason:
Insulting members. Constant anti-Israel posts.

Date the ban will be lifted: 02-18-2013, 08:00 PM

Pathetic group of lying, useless Zombies. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment akak
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Sounds like the Kitco forum, a virtual gulag of intellectual repression and politically-correct hypersensitive intolerance if ever there was one.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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The ignorance at that forum is mind boggling. You had to read the responses to my explaining the Political Creed of Zionism.  Jeez.  To think, it's founder Stewart Rhodes is actually a Yale Grad.  At least, that's what he claims.   

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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a Yale grad?

did he room with Dubya or Kerry?


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment ITrustMyGut
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I originally was drawn to them as well, but your right,,,  they are quasi evangelical christian  statists... religion in all its ugly forms, is the origination of all statism...

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 01:31 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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"religion in all its ugly forms, is the origination of all statism..."

Pretty close. Religion, in the form of personal Gods, was used by the early sedentist cultures (townsfolk) to meld competing hunter-gatherer tribes into a functioning community. It was a tool of psychological control of warlike tribes to keep them from reverting to their nasty habit of trying to kill each other off.

Control the gangs so you can expand the power of the city-state and direct their aggressive behavior towards outsiders - those who have a different personal God.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Mary Wilbur
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There is more freedom of speech and thinking out of the box at ZH than anywhere I have read or heard people talk and write.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Overfed
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I have to ask, how many so-called "oathkeepers" participate in serving no-knock drug warrants? Kickin' in the door in the middle of the night, shooting the dog, pointing a machine gun in the faces of women and children, trashing the home, seizing everything under forfeiture 'law'? How many "oathkeepers" are manning DUI checkpoints? "Immigration" checkpoints? How many are in the money laundering, drug importing DEA? The patsy setting up, overtly murdering FBI? How many are in the local, county, and state revenue generating machines all over the country?

I call bullshit on the whole "oathkeeper" thing. They're all thugs, otherwise they would do something else for a living.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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You forgot to add the "true the vote" thugs.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment XitSam
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I've been thinking on this recently. It seems to me there will be a full spectrum of what LE/military will choose.  New Orleans PD/Katrina: pretty much went rogue. Greek police: during austerity riots were fighting each other but mostly supporting the state (so far).  

DEA/FBI & Ruby Ridge/Waco: Under certain circumstances they can all be persuaded that the statist course is correct. The trick is to gradually warm the water so their actions seem consistent with defending the Republic. The War on Terror is a large part of the warming. DHS is a statist police force from the beginning.  The US military is a mixed bag all by itself. The state promise of food and shelter for the families is a motivating factor many do not take into account and there are a lot of young families in the military without support mechanisms except for the government paycheck. Senior NCOs and Company and Field grade officers are a toss up, much like the FBI, can they be tricked that their actions are proper?  There are no hard and fast rules and there will be many local exceptions.

In the end, there seems to always be a ready supply of applicants for the position of Statist Minion.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Disagree; you are seeing what you want to see in toto (while I do not doubt there were sporadic incidents of rouge cops in New Orleans, it wasn't to the scale you think it was)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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"Statist thug."  In Germany, this is the "Beamte."

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:37 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Hey, why all the insult for drunken clowns and carneys?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Your only defense against a Statist Thug. Learn it while there is still time.........




Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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+1 for "A Lunatic" for sinister use of YouTube in the context of his post.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Tedster
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Authoritarian control-freak boot lickers. The brainwashing is pretty well complete, take a look around. Government is seen mainly as a source for free goodies, or, a club with which to beat people into submission over the latest cause célèbre.

Hence, it is illegal to smoke in a bar, our showers and toilets are restricted,
the Easter Bunny is considered offensive, certain light bulbs are prohibited, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment XitSam
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You left out that you need a permit to be homeless.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Count de Money
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Fiction again turns into prophecy:


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Arbysauce
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TSA. I suspect they sought out the sociopathic.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Wave-Tech
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Well-written piece - bravo Brandon!

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:55 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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You were a little rough on and insulting to clowns and carneys there, but other than that spot on.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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Thanks for They Live Icon - terribly true...Black Friday will testify to that.

John Carpenter is a genious.



Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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It's a good thing we don't have statist thugs here in the land of the governed and the home of the feeble

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Clark Bent
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Nah, they are righteously advancing anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-sexist modalities. It's gotta be done now, people in the past were so icky. 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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nice read... thankyou :-))

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment CVfriendship
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Wish this would surface in the Times, WSJ, FT, Guardian, etc...... You won't "wake up the masses" but you might wake up the echoes...I'll take either.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Arbysauce
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The statists are turning up the heat gradually. Will the frog jump or not?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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The "masses" don't wake up.  That is the nature of being for such an entity.  If they were to "wake up" they would be something else.  

Those who are already awake are the Remnant.  ZH is a place where one may make a transition, but it is the maintenance of that position, away from the ZH forum, that separates the entities more distinctly.

A. J. Nock again:

"The mass-man is one who has neither the force of intellect to apprehend the principles issuing in what we know as the humane life, nor the force of character to adhere to those principles steadily and strictly as laws of conduct; and because such people make up the great and overwhelming majority of mankind, they are called collectively the masses. The line of differentiation between the masses and the Remnant is set invariably by quality, not by circumstance. The Remnant are those who by force of intellect are able to apprehend these principles, and by force of character are able, at least measurably, to cleave to them. The masses are those who are unable to do either."

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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" The "masses" don't wake up. "


The so-called masses NEVER wake up! Truth be told, not everyone was, or fought for, independence back in 177x - what was it?

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment Venerability
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Rocky at Zero Hedge!

So now we have the complete merger of Zero Hedge with Yahoo Finance?

Can another BSC tips board be far behind?

(I actually remember the days before Yahoo allowed themselves to be totally corrupted, when the prop desk folks used to send messages via teeny bopper rock boards at Yahoo. Remember the Natalie Whatsherface board - that singer from Australia? First stop on the cookie crumb trail.) 

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment jim249
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This sounds like the people wall street likes to recruit.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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It's over... the percentage of moronic, toxic drones, including illegals will skyrocket during Obongo's 2nd term... a GOP majority is now a thing of the past.  Buy guns, gold, high quality protien powder and lysol (they mostly smell really bad).

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment oddjob
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Statist thugs are inherently lazy, if your driveway is uphill I doubt they bother you.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment aerojet
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I knew this thread would bring out the crazies, and I wasn't disappointed!  The trouble is, most of what I just read applies to statists now, aside from the brutal violence part, which most of them can't get away with.  There are already hundreds of thousands of these people, if not millions, in the US, and you never have to look very far to encounter one.  Some few work as cops or occupy other types of roles that allow them to be overtly violent towards certain people, but mostly these petty fools are just sitting around waiting, probably hoping, that something will go down.  I read various gun-related message forums and those places are full of such Walter Mitty types, and plenty of those same people post on here whenever some gun-related topic comes up.  Luckily, most of these fucking idiots self-identify and can be avoided.  But it does make me wonder just how bad things could get for me if ever these losers become somehow empowered to act out their control fatnasies because I'm sure to be targeted.  I don't get along with these types during good times, under even worse circumstances, I'm sure to be taken out eventually because I can't help but vehemently and overtly disagree with them.  What burns me is that many institutions provide cover for thugs, not just government, but also religion, corprations, you name it.  All can become a misconstrued religion to the statist and empower violence.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment woggie
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the beast is on the gobble and all that matters is we're all headed for it's belly

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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I learned about these types at a young age, 17 in fact. Though there are any number of good people in military service, I think all veterans know the OTHER type. The time server who stays in in order to pregress in rank by just time serving. One learns the type very quickly. In some cases you can not avoid them as they may be a senior enlisted man or a complete jerk of an officer. They are both encountered in uniform, the military provides a home , after a few years at the bottom, you advance just by time in rank and a few mild tests and evaluations to advance in rank.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Sho 'nuff.  I only spent 4 years in the Air Force, with a very nice bonus for reenlisting which I declined.  The "Lifers" were the ones with a permanent crook in the forefinger where the coffee cup hangs.  Then there were what I respectfully accepted as "Career Airmen".  Those were the folks who did a good job in in opposition to those who would downgrade performance where possible.  Sort of like the prototypical "union" types.  Sad really.  I loved the job but couldn't take the constant BS.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment MSimon
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I'm encouraged that ZHers support the People's Republic of Gaza where they hang gays in the public squarre. We should all be looking to that libertarian paradise for good ideas. And the Jews? Them SOBs take in the gays running from Hamas. How evil can you get? Sharia is the answer. Especially when the alternative is Jews.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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The Earth is not dying - it is being killed. And the people who are killing it have names and addresses. - U. Utah Phillips


Just a little warning: States will put police under-cover for eight years just to inflitrate radically soppy left-wing hippies like Green Peace. For Earth First! they planted pipe-bombs. The FBI doesn't play checkers, it plays Chess. And they get convictions. So, if you're posting in a thread like this, make damn sure you're willing to play Chess; all media is anaylsed now. Even if IDOL was a bust, you don't think they didn't fill that contract, did you?

Now for some Science Fiction:

The personal, as everyone's so fucking fond of saying, is political.  So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute  policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get  angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and  cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people  suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from  under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw  it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your  message across. That way you stand a far better chance of being taken  seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake  about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous, marks the  difference – the only difference in their eyes – between players and  little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they  liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your  displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult  that it's just business, it's politics, it's the way of the world, it's  a tough life, and that it's nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it  personal.

Things I Should Have Learnt by Now, Volume II


Be very aware of how big, rough n tough the system is before pretending you'll challenge it.


True, you’re not a slave. You’re worse off than that by a long, long way. You’re a predatory beast shut up in a cage of which the bars aren’t fixed, solid objects you can gnaw at or in despair batter against with your head until you get punch-drunk and stop worrying. No, those bars are the competing members of your own species, at least as cunning as you on average, forever shifting around so you can’t pin them down, liable to get in your way without the least warning, disorienting your personal environment until you want to grab a gun or an axe and turn mucker.

Stand on Zanzibar



There are smarter ways of processing this frustration.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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I was a statist when I was young and "educated" in public shools. The cognitive dissonance is an incredible impediment to clear thinking. Since ridding myself of statist nonsense, I am happier and can think more rapidly and clearly and can see much that others cannot see.

Statists suffer primarily from a severe deprivation of knowledge:

-A lack of knowledge of human nature

-A lack of knowledge of the spontaneous organizing power of markets

-A lack of understanding of their own limitations and ignorance

Reading von Mises (e.g. Human Action) is a wonderful remedy.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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+1 This

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 18:30 | Link to Comment WarPony
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never doubt that a small group of dedicated people can change the world

we traded our lead role in a cage for a walk on part in the war and the Montana Freemen (attempting to expose the fraud of the FED) didn't get Wacoed

'course the 100s of "tourists," the night vision and the ARs helped

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 18:36 | Link to Comment hawk nation
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Great article and I think “statist thug” should be the new term for union members or at least the majority of them

Joining a union requires one to stop thinkng for themselves and following the group think of the union management

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Interesting proposed application for the term.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 18:41 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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This essay is, taken as a whole, an excellent description of Satan, who is as much a reality as God, because both are an aspect of human nature. There should be no confusion - Satan and God are both Human. Choose for yourself.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 18:47 | Link to Comment dickizinya
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i make more money because i did my homework.  if you didn't--fuck you,too bad.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Arbysauce
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Not fair! All that fair shit gets my blood boiling. The US has become a f*cking kindergarten.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 09:58 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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...without the intelligence.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment ZeroFreedom
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Great article. Would like to see a follow on since my question is what are the next steps or course of action to take.

Basically what to do.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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continue to educate yourself, become increasingly aware of the reality you exist in, until you can answer that question on your own.

meant sincerely - don't look for a herd, know what makes a leader.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment tongue.stan
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Every boss I've ever had was a "statist" as described. Many of my teachers and profs. Practically every single govt worker, local and federal. Absolutely every cop imo. Every banker. Soul-less borg all. Bricks in the wall.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:21 | Link to Comment Nick Jihad
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What surprises me is that, universally, commenters here take tyranny ("statist thugs") to have a male face. Nobody recognizes that the political base for tyranny is women. Guys fall all over the political spectrum, but on average, they are pro-freedom. There are good reasons for this, if you think about it, but i don't have time to make the arguments in this post.

Women, on the other hand, prosper under tyranny. Feminism and socialism are really the same thing, and women, on average, will show a political preference for tyranny. It is not an accident, that the 20th century was the first time in recorded history that female suffrage was widespread in advanced economies, and that the 20th was also the bloodiest century in recorded history.

Violent men are the sharp, visible end of tyranny, but also merely the tip of the iceberg - tyranny draws political support from women. This has been written out of history, because you cannot say not-nice things about women. For all of the 20th century's most murderous regimes - the nazis, the soviets, the maoists or the khmer rouge, the feminine element of their political support has been dropped down the memory hole. Look at any Nazi propaganda film on youtube, with Hitler leading a parade: the streets are lined with cheering, adoring women. Yet today, when you think "Nazi", who thinks of a woman? Nobody. This is our blind spot, and we will not be able to resist tyranny until we recognize it.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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There are good reasons for this, if you think about it, but i don't have time to make the arguments in this post.

that's a fucking shame, I could use a good laugh about now. . .

though equating "female suffrage" with the "bloodiest century in recorded history" is a deep chuckle.

do keep us updated on your crusade.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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ahhh, once again, the unargued tantrum.

bitchez, Fight Club.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Venerability
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Yes, Tyler, we are finally entering what is going to be a period of Mass Rebellion in the US - Rebellion by the Sane Middle against the"Thugs" at all extremes - Right, Left, and - most importantly - the Nihilist Libertarian fringe, which has taken way too much control of our national dialogue.

If you think Centrism is NOT now the Way Forward, just look at Chris Christie's latest approval ratings - wallowing in the upper 30s when he, however reluctantly, seemed to be drinking the Ryan-Romney Nihilist Kool-aid - and now suddenly up to 67 percent, after he told the Nihilists to shove it somewhere or other and came out of the closet as a born-again Moderate.

This is going to be the PATTERN now - among Republicans, among Democrats, among Independents.

We are entering a new age of consensus-building, horse trading, and compromise in this country.

If you don't like it, lose your base. (And just possibly, within the Markets as well.)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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So the "Sane Middle" wants a moderate amount of wealth redistribution, a moderate amount of QE, a moderate amount of inflation, a moderate amount of cronyism, a moderate amount of indefinitely detaining Americans, a moderate amount of gun bans, a moderate amount of war, a moderate amount of government surveillance, a moderate amount of control of dangerous speech ... ?

You know who else thinks they're sane and moderate? Every dictator. Every communist. Every Fascist.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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A moderate amount of liberty perhaps?


"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." -Barry Goldwater

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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50% liberty = 50% tyranny

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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"Rebellion by the Sane Middle against the"Thugs" at all extremes - Right, Left, and - most importantly - the Nihilist Libertarian fringe, which has taken way too much control of our national dialogue."

Oh those LIBERTARIANS ... Those ... THUGS.

So extreme. ALWAYS minding their own business! NEVER cooperating with those who interfere in other people's business.

Those ... THUGS.


Wed, 11/21/2012 - 23:42 | Link to Comment HalinCA
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I don't think any party leadership will release power to people who want to solve problems rather than protect their special interests. Goes against organic chemistry, and by the way and what is a political party if not an organic entity?

And how can useful laws and compromises occur when every committee hearing has a audience with cell phones and any politician who antagonizes a special interest group gets a complaint about their 'performance' before they get back to their office?

Useful ideas for change/problem solving get shot down by the status quo.

And "Nihilist Libertarian"??? As opposed to what, "Statist Libertarian" maybe?

How many shades of grey are useful between liberty and enslavement?





Thu, 11/22/2012 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Mary Wilbur
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You don't know what a Libertarian is.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment Venerability
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As you well know, I have not much against Classical Libertarians, who confined their activities to the realm of philosophy and were therefore harmless.

But the new kind - the new Cult - of Nihilist Libertarianism, which has infested both our Markets and our Politics the past few years has had a purely Negative purpose: Tear down, tear down, destroy, destroy, kill, kill - without rebuilding anything whatsoever in its place.

In the Markets, a very cynical, very crazy group of mostly young male Short sellers has avidly embraced the "Libertarian" banner for purposes of pure, unadulterated Greed - Tear down everything we possibly can for fun and profit.

In Politics, less damage has, of course, been done. But not for lack of trying.

Meanwhile, Birchers like the Kochs and other frighteningly soulless and immoral billionaires pull the Demon-Kiddies' marionette strings, laughing at their naivete and ignorance, while having no qualms whatsoever at amassing more and more ill-gotten booty with their help.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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"In Politics, less damage has, of course, been done. But not for lack of trying."

TSA and HLS w drones across the land, would indicate that statement is on it's face false.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Cable 54
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Million Dollar Loogie, is that you?

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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*Ehhhnt* wrong answer.

there is no majority behind the tyranny unleashed this last election.   According to latest US Census Data, as of 2010, there are 235 million voting age americans.   59 mil voted for Obama.   This is slightly over one quarter of the voting population.  We can adjust for the increase of popultion since 2010 by the number of people not voting (mentally challenged, felons, etc) and call it even.   Further, it's 19% of the population in general.   Considering most of the folks here on zerohedge and at least 3 million repbublicans stayed home because they didn't want to support Dumb, or Dumber, it can hardly be suggested there is anything near 'consensus-bulding' as you quote. 

It's more a Goebel-esque opinon shaping.   Clearly you're a fool of the Jonesian type drinking the last cup of kool-aid available as you watch everyone else die.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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thereare, your numbers did not count the soros diebold fraud ..the number voting for O dummer was much smaller.

can I prove it yes by occams razor..if your vote is not documented by some thing other than 1 and 0's in a program- you never voted.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 11:16 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Oh, this is true.  Good point.  So it's more like 17% voted for this asshat.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Venerability
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Aw! I knew the Psychopathic KochBots would be all over this one - which is why I posted it.

No matter.

We in the Sane Middle ARE going to win this time.

We've been bullied by the Worst and the Dullest - and those who pull their strings - for far, far too long.




Thu, 11/22/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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the sane middle could use a little more clarification don't you think? you know you are insane right? so I think you refer to the INSANE MIDDLE.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Rosin up yer gun, they're coming to git ya!


Kidding... nobody wants to see what millions of armed citizens and veterans could do in a fight.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 01:31 | Link to Comment Arbysauce
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Want to see some REAL performance art? Light up a cigarette in the library.

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