"Phones On Sale" - The Stampede Begins

Tyler Durden's picture

When Darwin conceived his theory of Natural Selection, he hardly had this in mind, but if it succeeds in eliminating the "less than viable", well... so be it.

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Vincent Vega's picture

We deserve everything that is coming our way. What a fucking shame.

vast-dom's picture

yesterday they all gorged on turkey and sat in a coma watching sports, but today they're more than ready...

 

Fucking disgusting!

Dr. Richard Head's picture

Im praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.....

vast-dom's picture

well-fed off gimmick holiday and now ready to kill -- the amerikan way.

flacon's picture

Bullhorning Shoppers Lined Up For Thanksgiving Sales 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxyrBwhTo48

Pladizow's picture

Imagine when these armed American idiots are trying to get to food!

aka Gil's picture

The term "target-rich environment" comes to mind.

I noticed that some of those targets are extremely large. That's not a judgement, just a fact.

EnslavethechildrenforBen's picture

If it weren't for food stamps, welfare, unemployment, social security and medicare, all the Walmart's would have been completely leveled years ago by the mass hordes of starving zombies.

Half_A_Billion_Hollow_Points's picture

"When fascism came to America it was on Nike sneakers and Smiley tshirts."  George Carlin

HobbyFarmer's picture

"Oh, I'm proud to be an American!  Where at least I know I'm free....(to shove and stampede for cheap crap)."

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

 

 

 

And I'm proud to be an American,

Where at least I can watch TV.

And I'm glad to have the freedom,

To buy things I don't need...

ilion's picture

I'm having difficultis understanding whether I see human beings on this video or some animals in the jungle.

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I just want to know what the holiday shopper dead body count on retail floors will be this year.

I hope it's higher than last years dozen or so.

We should make a drinking game or fantasy dead shopper game of this.

I guess 3 dead on retail floors day 1.

 

malikai's picture

Two words regarding that video:

Neutron Bombs

MillionDollarBogus_'s picture

Tyler = Drudge

Matt Drudge is showing the same video.

Slow financial news day...???

What's next, the People At Walmart...???

willwork4food's picture

Yea, but did that Fat chick hold onto that phone after she was neck-yanked from her coveted position? Inquiring minds want to know.

Dante;

7th level, deep hell.

tmosley's picture

These idiot store managers are to blame for this.  They should make people wait in line for these doorbusters.  Just setting them out like that is going to get people killed, and they fucking KNOW it.  But these guys seem to WANT the frenzy mentality.

Poorly designed systems turn good people into monsters.  We've known this ever since the Stanford Prison Experiment.  Yet systems continue to promote corruption and violence, even more so than they did back then.  

walküre's picture

Bullshit excuse.

Poorly designed systems turn good people into monsters.

Uneducated, unmannered and controlled parts of the population will always act the way they're supposed to.

My livestock is feeding just like that in a frenzy. That's ok because I control them and I take them to slaughter when they're ready.

I am the Bernank to my cattle!

bonderøven-farm ass's picture

....and the disillusioned 'entitlement class' feel that greed only resides in the top 1%?  Oh where, oh where has Natural Selection gone....(sigh)

tmosley's picture

Facts which have been proven by repeated observation and experimentation are not excuses.

The United States is the most educated country in the world.  If the problem is a "lack of education", then you are tilting at windmills because humanity can't afford the level of education you demand.  "Unmannered" is purely subjective, and manners disappear in such situations in any event.  Go to prison and see how long your "manners" last.  And "controlled" is exactly the point.  People within a system are controlled by that system.  If that system is designed poorly, it will turn good people into evil people, as has been shown repeatedly throughout human history, but in a most controlled and reproducible manner by the Stanford Prison Experiment, something I would venture a guess that you have never heard of.

You feel quite superior, but you would act exactly the same as those people were you placed into the same situation, having the same background.  Those people aren't mutants.  They are people, behaving like people.  

walküre's picture

I've heard of the experiment. That was in a prison. These people pushing, shoving and screaming at Walmart are not living in prison. Their life does not depend on having this gimmick. There are no threats anywhere either.

The people in the vid are acting like my livestock. If I trained my livestock to act differently, it would. These people act like they have either lost all self control or never had any to begin with.

I'm not superior but I'm not going to end up in a FEMA camp either. That's where these people will be headed one day and I wouldn't waste my efforts trying to stop the government from doing that. Would you stand in the way of government trying to take these people when government farming is no longer able to support all these people? You'd be out of your mind.

tmosley's picture

Clearly you haven't.  Don't pretend like you know more than you do.  It makes you look like a fucking idiot.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Prison_Experiment

Stop taking pride in your ignorance.

 

walküre's picture

What's your problem?

How does that have anything to do with how people acted today at a Walmart because a trinket is on sale?

Your shoe doesn't fit. Go bark at a different tree.

tmosley's picture

My problem is with you parading your ignorance like it's some kind of fucking award.  You said the Stanford Prison Experiment took place in prison.  It didn't.  You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  You are nothing but a little pride machine with no redeeming features.  You think you are better than other people, that others are somehow subhuman because of their group behavior, and simply REFUSE to think any further to find who is REALLY at fault.

STOP TAKING PRIDE IN YOUR IGNORANCE.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

Face it, tmos, some people are just too sophisticated to check the facts.

walküre's picture

You agree with tmos' statement?

These idiot store managers are to blame for this.  They should make people wait in line for these doorbusters.

Blame the store managers? Really?

They should have dropped the fucking toys from a chopper on the parking lot.

Who do we blame for the looting during Katrina? The store managers that failed to secure the contents in the stores before the flood hit?

 

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

I agreed with him when he pointed out that you didn't know what the Stanford Prison Experiment was even though you stated quite firmly that you did. Verify!

walküre's picture

What the heck is this?

It was part of my socials curriculum in high school which goes back 20 years. I watched the movie "The Experiment" more recently.

Do I pass? Christ Almighty.

tmos is barking at the wrong tree imo. The people could very well resist. It's a personal choice. I've made that today and haven't spent a dime. So have many others. But you have a growing number of people who are obviously not remembering why we had the holiday in the first place. And I'm being very generous here.

I'm long livestock haulers.

 

 

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

 

 

What the heck is this?

 

This is fight club. Anyone who claims to know something which can be disproved by a five second Google search takes the punch and likes it.

quasimodo's picture

This if fightclub where crockett sucks tmos's dick. They both need to STFU

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

Fight Club Rules

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.

4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.

5th RULE: One fight at a time.

6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.

7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.

8th RULE: If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

tickhound's picture

I notice you break 4 or 5 of these rules regularly.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

Please feel free to call me on any violations should they occur. Note that you are currently in violation of Rule 4 but I don't mind.

 

I've never suggested that anyone is a homosexual who should shut up simply because I could not refute his argument. Do you find such discourse to be edifying or informative?

Temporalist's picture

Ok well you did jump into a "fight" between two other people, but it's not really fight club it's ZH and it's a mosh pit more than a head to head battle.

 

Anyway I chimed in like a masochistic moron to point out that walkure's premise was right if not exactly accurate that the experiment was a simulation of a prison environment.  These people are "free" and not part of a jailor/jailee heirarchy so they are all on equal terms while the Stanford experiment focused on the "guards" forcefully abusing their new found "power" over their fellow classmates (acting as prisoners) which stopped the experiment short.  Nobody forced these people to do anything, nobody made them show up, nobody punished them for their actions, they had free will to leave.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

The two to a fight rule is rarely followed although if a participant objects I will back off. In any case, I did not jump into the fight between tmos and walkure. I spoke directly to tmos and it was walkure who then responded to me and asked me a question. Anything that happened afterward was a fair fight.

 

Anyway I chimed in like a masochistic moron to point out that walkure's premise was right if not exactly accurate that the experiment was a simulation of a prison environment.

 My problem with walkure and all those who upvoted him and down voted tmos was their blatant disregard for documented facts. The Stanford experiment did not take place in a prison. That's a fact and simply complaining that facts are too hard to consider or don't matter at all doesn't change reality. The Standford experiment does illustrate tmos's point in a way however I offered the Otto Friedrich quote as a real world example of how faults within the system lead to faults within individuals as tmos stated.

ZH is usually much more open to documented evidence as opposed to things made up out of thin air than yesterday's crowd evidenced. The realists must still be on vacation.

 

A Nanny Moose's picture

Careful there. Those who cannot hack it in the really real world will, naturally, call you on this. Of course they are the same small minds, who take Fight Club rules literally.

walküre's picture

You got me. It didn't take place in A prison but it was based on a prison environment with people assuming the roles of prisoners and guards. Yes, dude I've seen the movie adaptation. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997152/ Thought it was well done.

Maybe you had too much turkey yesterday or the cat shat on your pumpkin pie. I will give you that as an excuse for your ranting.

But THE EXPERIMENT had nothing to do with hundreds of "shoppers" going after a cheap trinket at Walmart and other stores and in the process fighting for the deal like their lives were depending on it.

Now, explain for the humble idiots like myself how your example of a prison environment relates in any way, shape or form with the store environment where people behaved their worst in order to snag a "deal".

Nobody is forcing these people to behave like they are today. Their lives aren't threatened and they don't have to develop allegiances because they don't know who to trust either.

The Standford Experiment is NOT a good example to try and profile these out-of-control "shoppers" and somehow excuse their behaviour today.

Why does anyone have to be at fault and why are you defending their behaviour? Seriously? You're wanting to be the advocate of these people who have shyte for brains and will probably end up in government camps?

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

tmos said:

 

 People within a system are controlled by that system.  If that system is designed poorly, it will turn good people into evil people, as has been shown repeatedly throughout human history,

 

If you don't like the Stanford study here's a real life example which also supports his point:

 

Otto Freidrich described the period of German hyperinflation and its effects: “… People carried wages home in huge crates; by the time they could spend even their trillion-mark notes they were practically worthless… There was not a single girl in the entire middle class who could get married without her father paying a dowry… They saved and saved so that they could get married, and so it destroyed the whole idea of remaining chaste until marriage…the girls learned that virginity didn't matter anymore.”

 

 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/bonner/bonner390.html

tickhound's picture

What the Stanford experiment showed is that people will readily conform to the roles they are expected to play.

For tmo to blame the "store managers" is in contradiction to the very experiment he used to support it.

Then you chimed in with support??  By noting a flawed system and its effects on "role?"

weak

walküre's picture

"Hunger Games" next? Because I suspect some of these out-of-control shoppers trained days and weeks in advance of the stampede today?

LOL

 

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

 

 

For tmo to blame the "store managers" is in contradiction to the very experiment he used to support it.

Then you chimed in with support??  By noting a flawed system and its effects on "role?"

 

Intelligent men work to overcome the psychological bias to follow the herd. A thinking man will look to the Stanford Experiment for a guide as how not to behave.

 

Managers at all levels are employed to deploy the resources given to them in an effective manner. These Walmart melees happen every year. Management at all levels knows that and yet has taken inadequate steps to control the situation. Are you suggesting that when potentially dangerous incidents occur over and over again at a place of business that the management bears no responsibility?

walküre's picture

This goes back to the age old question and premise whether people are inherently good or bad to begin with. I'm not sure I can agree with Otto Friedrich's sentiment that girls gave up their virginity when they couldn't afford to get married as virgins due to hyperinflation. The dowry concept was irrelevant at that point. Women had to go out and secure incomes just like their fathers, husbands, brothers and so on. Once the girls and women left the safety of their homes to generate income, they were at the mercy of the world around them.

I would make it alot simpler in my analysis. The out-of-control shoppers are stupid. Plain and simple as stupid as sheep, pigs or cattle trying to get to the trough. No difference in that behaviour whatsoever.

It's more interesting to observe if people would have behaved similar at any other time in history or if we are truly descending into a failed society and devolution.

 

 

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

 

 

The dowry concept was irrelevant at that point. Women had to go out and secure incomes just like their fathers, husbands, brothers and so on. Once the girls and women left the safety of their homes to generate income, they were at the mercy of the world around them.

 

You seem to believe that simply imagining that something is true makes it true. Please provide documentation for your assertion. Otto Friedrich was there and you were not so you must have garnered your information from somewhere. Cite the source.

 

PS -- Few things say "ignorance is bliss" better than down voting a request for documentation.

walküre's picture

Otto Friedrich Bollnow was an idealist and lived in a bubble.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekenntnis_der_Professoren_an_den_deutschen...

If he had time to think about the fleeting value of paper money and its effects on the dowry of bourgeoise girls who couldn't possibly get married; he must have been pretty sheltered from everything else that was going on during that time.

He was a scholar, a teacher and an idealist. He idealized Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement, he waved their flag and carried their party membership.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buecher/rezensionen/sachbuch/otto-...

Hier ist in der Tat ein Kliniker am Lebenswerk, erkennbar ist Bollnows Ehrgeiz, noch den widerspenstigsten Exaltationen "des Lebens" eine aus dem Leben selbst geschöpfte Rationalität zu unterlegen. Dass ein derartiges Prozessdenken auch entgleisen kann, zeigte sich bei Bollnow in seiner Blindheit für die Nazis: der Philosophie- und Pädagogikprofessor, der in Physik promoviert wurde, war 1933 ein Anhänger von Hitlers Machtergreifung und trat 1937 in die NSDAP ein.

Imagine yourself during that time. Friedrich was privileged and his circle was the privileged class. Maybe he witnessed how privileged girls he personally knew started fooling around before they got married. He blamed hyperinflation for that. So many reasons why he could have made that assertion. I'm just speculating.

A little research on the source opens up a new insight into the character himself. Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely dissing his works or trying to assassinate his reputation post mortem. I'm sure he was a bright man and accomplished alot. But in order to understand where this man's philosphy was coming from and what shaped his way of thinking, we have to look at the complete picture.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

 

A little research on the source opens up a new insight into the character himself.

 

That research should be conducted upon the person in question and not someone with a similar name. You've researched Otto Friedrich Bollnow not Otto Friedrich.

Before the Deluge: A Portrait of Berlin in the 1920s [Paperback]
Otto Friedrich (Author)

 

 

You provided no support for your argument that dowries were already irrelevant prior to the Weimar hyperfaltion with the exception of:

 

Imagine yourself during that time

 

That is exactly what I meant when I said, "You seem to believe that simply imagining that something is true makes it true."  Where are your figures documenting marriage agreements which occurred prior to and during the Weimar hyperinflation? Where is the testimony of those who lived through those times? Imagining has nothing to do with supporting your assertions with verifiable evidence.

walküre's picture

Ok, let's go back to the basics then. Shall we?

Forget my research on Otto Friedrich Bonnow. I should have asked you to clarify which one we're talking about and saved myself the time.

This is what your guy wrote:

Otto Freidrich described the period of German hyperinflation and its effects: “… People carried wages home in huge crates; by the time they could spend even their trillion-mark notes they were practically worthless… There was not a single girl in the entire middle class who could get married without her father paying a dowry… They saved and saved so that they could get married, and so it destroyed the whole idea of remaining chaste until marriage…the girls learned that virginity didn't matter anymore.”

The time frame Friedrich describes here was a relatively short period during the Weimar Republic where money lost value very quickly during a day. This was sometime 1923 only. Do you think that it had such great relevance on marriages in general? Also keep in mind Friedrich was American and who knows where he got his information from or who talked to him in Germany. It could have been completely exaggerated which is what it sounds like to me.

Women started to emancipate and became much more prominent and exposed. Many German men were lost due to WW1. Women entered a new age http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/weimar/alltag/frau/index.html The concept of marriage and family started to change as result.

My point of view is from countless conversations with my grand parents who lived during that time and shared many stories. I never heard them or anyone else in their age group bemoan the fact that they couldn't afford a dowry and therefore didn't get married.

We are facing another period of hyperinflation when all governments realize their debts and entitlements cannot be repaid or fullfilled. There's no other option but to default on the debt by one big print fest. Weimar settled its debts that way..

I care to discuss with you but your personal inuendos make it difficult to stay on message.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

 

I should have asked you to clarify which one we're talking about and saved myself the time.

 

Why would I need to clarify the difference between a man named Otto Friedrich and a man named Otto Friedrich Bollnow? Should I also point out to you that  George Washington and George Washington Carver are not the same man?

 

Also keep in mind Friedrich was American and who knows where he got his information from or who talked to him in Germany. It could have been completely exaggerated which is what it sounds like to me.

 

Friedrich's work is well sourced as one would expect from an award winning journalist. Anyone can know where he got his information if one take's the trouble to look. He also conducted personal interviews with residents of Berlin who had lived through the period in question:

 

"Yes, the inflation was by far the most important event of this period," says a seventy-five-year-old journalist, a woman who still lives in Berlin. She is white-haired and rather large, and she nibbles cookies as she talks, forgetting that it is already two in the morning. "The inflation wiped out the savings of the entire middle class, but those are just words. You have to realize what that meant. There was not a single girl in the entire middle class who could get married without her father paying a dowry. Even the maids — they never spent a penny of their wages. They saved and saved so that they could get married. When the money became worthless, it destroyed the whole system for getting married, and so it destroyed the whole idea of remaining chaste until marriage."

 


"The rich had never lived up to their own standards, of course, and the poor had different standards anyway, but the middle class, by and large, obeyed the rules. Not every girl was a virgin when she was married, but it was generally accepted that one should be. But what happened from the inflation was that girls learned that virginity didn't matter any more."

 

 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/englund/englund45.html

 

You still have contributed nothing but your impressions and imaginings regarding dowry agreements before or during the Weimar period while Otto Friedrich has provided an acclaimed historical work.