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"Survival Of The Fattest": It's A Fat, Fat World After All

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Back in March, we first presented a rather stunning finding: by 2020 75% of Americans will be obese or overweight. This was promptly followed up with a post showing just how it is transpired that America became the fattest nation in the world in less than 20 years. What however may not be known, is that America's fatness epidemic is not localized to the country that gave the world the McDonalds burger (and the McMansion): it really is a fat, fat world, after all. 

Behold - survival of the fattest:

It is hardly surprising in this light, then, that the estimate for number of people living with diabetes has been increased, to 371 million - an increase of 11% over 2011.

So with the sensitive issue of what one stuffs in their mouth becoming of paramount importance, primarily due to the avalanche in social costs as a result of escalating morbid obesity, here is a primer on the key facts and figures relating to obesity, domestic as well as foreign, and impacting not just the developed world but also emerging economies, from GS' Mick Ready and Keyur Parekh.

Obesity is a unique phenomenon affecting almost all countries. It is defined as excessively high amount of body fat in relation to lean tissue, and individuals are generally considered overweight if their BMI is over 25, and clinically obese if their body mass index (BMI) is greater than 30.

The 1980s saw a sharp acceleration in BMI in OECD countries. Before 1980, global obesity rates were generally below 10% but today, in almost half of OECD countries, 50% of the population is overweight. Interestingly, data suggests that obesity is a pandemic that is now impacting not just the developed western countries, but also the emerging economies. In BRIC economies, obesity rates are somewhat lower than in their OECD counterparts, but urbanisation and lifestyle changes are driving a significant increase in average BMI. In China, the proportion of the population considered overweight increased from 13.5% in 1991 to 26.7% in 2006; in Brazil between 1975 and 2003, the obesity rate tripled in men and doubled in women; and in Russia 25% of women and 10% of men are now considered obese.

  • Data suggest that at levels of GDP below US$5,000 per capita there is a linear relationship between GDP and mean BMI, and that the only pre-condition for developing an obese population is the ability to afford food.
  • In low income countries, obese individuals are typically middle-aged women from wealthy, urban settings.
  • In countries with GDP of more than US$5,000 per capita pa, obesity is not characterized by gender, or age, but disadvantaged groups typically are at greater risk of becoming obese;
    • 33% of US adults earning over US$15,000 pa are obese, compared with 25% of those earning over US$50,000 pa.
    • 33% of adults who did not graduate high school were obese, compared with 21.5% who graduated from college.

What’s causing this increase?

Obesity is a complex problem, with multiple factors influencing its development within a population. These factors include systemic and environmental drivers, which provide an infrastructure to promote high growth, consumption of transport and recreational factors, which limit the physical activity within a population, and behavioral patterns, where individuals consume high-energy foods and lead sedentary lifestyles.

For an individual, obesity is caused by an energy imbalance: simply put, obese individuals consume more energy than they use. Energy intake is a clear factor in the rise of obesity, and dietary intake is strongly influenced by the kinds of food we eat. Changes in the food system to more mass-produced, processed foods with added salt, fats and sugars, coupled with more effective marketing of these products, especially targeting young children has changed the kind of food we eat which contributes to this energy imbalance.

To summarize, changes in the global food system, which produces readily available, inexpensive, highly processed and well marketed foods, coupled with changes in working patterns, has created an energy imbalance resulting in increased levels of obesity.

Sugary drinks: The choice of a heavy generation

There are multiple factors which are linked to the development of obesity globally, but sugar-sweetened drinks have attracted particular attention in the US. Sugar intake from sugar-sweetened drinks is thought to be the largest single caloric food source in the US, approaching 15% of the daily calorific intake in several population groups.

High-sugar drinks are effectively marketed to children and young adults, and their consumption is often linked to fast food, which is likely to exacerbate the obesity problem. Many sugar-sweetened drinks contain high-fructose corn syrup, and there is evidence to suggest a link between high-fructose corn syrup and the development of insulin resistance (think diabetes). Multiple studies have shown that replacing a sugar-containing drink with a sugar-free equivalent significantly reduced weight gain and fat accumulation in normal weight children, prompting calls from the American Heart Association, the Institute of Medicine, and the Obesity society to reduce consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages.

The consequences of being obese: Shorter, less healthy lives The life expectancy of a person with a BMI of 40-45 is reduced by around 8-10 years, which is similar to the reduction in life expectancy suffered by smokers. An  overweight person of average height increases their risk of death by around 30% for every 15kg of weight. Obesity is a key risk factor in the development of multiple diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, osteoarthritis and
cancer.

The most direct and obvious impact of obesity is on incidence of diabetes - a severely obese person is around 60 times more likely to develop diabetes than someone with normal weight. High blood pressure and high cholesterol levels are also linked to high BMI.

These combined risk factors make an obese individual more likely to die from heart disease or stroke.

But perhaps a less intuitive link is the one between obesity, physical inactivity and cancer. Obesity and physical inactivity are also a key risk factor in the development of certain cancers; around 9% of colorectal cancers, and 11% of postmenopausal breast cancer in women is linked to obesity. An additional 5kg/m2 in BMI is thought to increase the risk of colorectal cancer by 24% in males, and to increase the risk of postmenopausal breast cancer in women by 12%.

Obesity and cancer – the not so obvious link

According to the American Cancer Society, one-third of cancer deaths are linked to obesity and/or lack of physical activity.

Improvements in cancer diagnosis, treatment and prevention has seen an improvement in death rates for cancer in the US over recent years, but the obesity epidemic within the US puts this trend at risk. Obesity is a known risk factor for multiple different tumour types, including oesophageal, colorectal, endometrial, kidney and certain breast cancers. In addition to increasing the risk of developing certain cancers, obese individuals are less likely to survive their cancer diagnosis; individuals with a BMI above 40 had death rates 52% higher for men and 62% higher for  women when compared to people of normal weigh.

Obese men are at significantly higher risk of developing colorectal cancer; the distribution of body fat appears to be an important fact, with abdominal obesity measured by waist circumference demonstrating a strong correlation with colon cancer risk. Obesity also modestly increases the risk of women developing postmenopausal breast cancer.

The costs of an obese population – direct, but also indirect Obese populations place greater stress upon healthcare systems already struggling to cope with rising expectation on what healthcare systems can deliver, more expensive medical interventions and an increasingly elderly population. The chronic nature of the condition means that obese people consume a greater share of healthcare resources, over a longer period of time.

Medical costs for obese individuals are as much as 30% to 40% higher than those with normal weight. An obese individual will on average visit a physician 27% more frequently than someone with a normal weight, and the annual extra medical costs of obesity in the US were estimated to be US$75 bn in 2003 (BMJ Wang). If current demographic trends continue, obesity-related costs are set to double every ten years, and could account for 16%-18% of US Healthcare expenditure by 2030. In the UK, data point to a similar trend, with £650 mn increased annual costs by 2020, and £2 bn higher costs by 2030 (Wang).

In addition to the direct medical costs for treating obesity, there are indirect costs to society and economies, which include early retirement and lost or lower productivity. US data suggest a direct correlation between obesity and missed work days in men, with males with a BMI above 40 taking almost six additional sick days each year. Swedish data suggest obese individuals are 1.5-1.9 times more likely to take sick leave than their peers with normal weight.

Who provides the solutions?

Before we get to the investing implication of this pandemic, we believe it’s worth spending a minute on the impact that reversal of current trends might have, and the role that various parties have played thus far to resolve this. Perhaps slightly depressingly, we believe that pharma companies alone are unlikely to be able to resolve this. Indeed we believe that a majority of this change message needs to come from government policy and social change (as we saw in the 1970s-80s with smoking).

What are the benefits if trends reverse?

Modest changes can have a dramatic impact on both an individual’s risk profile and society as a whole. A 1% reduction in BMI (approximately losing 1kg of body weight) is estimated to reduce cases of diabetes by around 2 million, and cases of cancer by around 100. However, implementation of these changes will require behavioural changes through health promotion campaigns and policy interventions to address healthy public sector food service policies. But policy and behavioural changes are not easy to implement and take time to take effect.

Pharma industry response – encouraging, but not adequate

Despite numerous attempts, the pharmaceutical industry has had limited success in addressing the primary cause of obesity (energy imbalance). Current treatments combat the consequences of obesity, e.g., through the management of hypertension, or diabetes. [ZH: perhaps the profit potential is far greater in perpetuating the underlying cause and merely treating the symptoms which have a duration that expires with the expiration of the patient?] A large number of companies have tried to develop pharmaceuticals to target energy imbalance, but the vast majority have failed owing to serious toxic effects. For example, Sanofi’s Accomplia was abandoned for suicidal ideation, Fen-Phen was withdrawn for serious cardiovascular concerns, and sibutramine was recently withdrawn following cardiovascular safety concerns.

2012 has seen the FDA approval of two new treatments for obesity, when used in conjunction with reduced calorie diets. Both Belviq (Arena Pharmaceuticals) and Qsymia (Vivus) reduce appetite and in some people can induce a negative energy balance. Both products have demonstrated safety signals which are a cause for concern, and patients receiving these products will require careful monitoring by clinicians. But, the FDA’s willingness to approve agents with clear safety signals illustrates the need for effective intervention for obesity.

One of the more serious efforts to this end was recently demonstrated by the Australian government, which evaluated several measures aimed at combating this epidemic (see exhibit below). Not surprisingly,  nonpharmacological options were found to be more cost-effective in the long term, but are obviously more difficult to implement at a society level.

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Another, even more dramatic health-related recent intervention was that on behalf of Mike Bloomberg and the city of New York banning sugary drinks in 16 oz containers or more.

The problem with government intervention in individual and social level consumption, is that it never works without a proper incentive system. If instead of using negative reinforcement, the government were to use positive reinforcement techniques, and for example offer each American $100/year for every pound kept below the overweight threshold every year, the results would be far more encouraging, and the costs saved in the long run would more than offset initial outlays.

Of course, this being the government, it is absolutely certain that corruption and "unintended side-effects" will intervene, that incentives will be perverted by special interests and lobby groups, and the final outcome would be a far worse one than the base case.

Which is why, sadly, the obesity epidemic will not be "fixed" in any conventional sense, but like so many other aspects of the current unsustainable socio-economic system, will merely go away on its own once the "weakest links" are eliminated by the various forces of natural (and man-made) selection in play today.

 

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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:42 | 3009081 Cathartes Aura
Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:37 | 3009073 Jendrzejczyk
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American Chickenizm same as Easter Island Blobbing up chickens. Make me laugh.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:25 | 3009255 nmewn
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Big breasts became wrong because someone with little tiny breats objected.

Sooo....Everbudy round here got ObamaBreasts!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:57 | 3009452 Parrotile
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Parents had chickens (obviously free-range). Tried a short experiment - "piped music" in the coop at night. Tried many composers / styles, and noted laying rates. the "louder" and more intrusive the music, the less eggs were laid (and it was a reasonable difference - about 7%). For our flock, the most popular piece was Beethoven's Piano Sonata No 8 ("Pathetique") which netted a 3% increase in laying rates vs. no music.

Not too loud, but just enough to get the ladies into the snoozing mood. Seemed to work a treat (until the cassette player died, at which point the "experiment" came to an abrupt end!)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:47 | 3008922 Aurora Ex Machina
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Might want to couple that with the enormous 7' tall Shack O'Niels and the ever-lowering puberty age.

 

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:24 | 3008979 Whoa Dammit
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Broiler chickens are only 6 weeks old when slaughtered. Broilers are what is sold at the grocery stores.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:40 | 3008812 CuriousPasserby
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Isn't the problem that they're using high fructose corn syrup instead of normal sugar in the drinks and foods?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:48 | 3008824 Dr Benway
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No. You will get equally fat regardless of whether you gorge HFCS or sugar. The studies claiming some special evil of HFCS are all bullshit. Complete bullshit but it feels better to have something to blame other than yourself.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:12 | 3008853 LetThemEatRand
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"Science -- if it conflicts with my worldview, it is bullshit."  I suppose you think that adding radiation to food would not have an effect on one's body either, because you wouldn't actually see or taste the difference.  Drug companies make fortunes selling people chemicals that change their bodies, but you reject the idea high fructose corn syrup may affect the body differently than natural sugar.  Good sound reasoning.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:25 | 3008876 Dr Benway
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'Science' is not blindly accepting what the media tells you studies say. Take a closer look at the research that is used to justify the claims against HFCS, and you will see that it is flimsy to nonexistent.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2010/09/the-evils-of-corn-syru...

http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/21/finding-patient-zero-in-the-hi

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:55 | 3008921 LetThemEatRand
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http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

 

"A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same."

That is a 2012 study that says exactly the opposite of what you say.  It is not just MSM tripe and it does not come from The Atlantic (like both of your links, one of which simply cites the other).  Okay, why don't you save me some time and tell me what your financial or ideological interest in claiming that there is no real science backing the claim that HFCS is worse than sugar.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:16 | 3008967 Dr Benway
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That is a 2010 study with known flaws and internally contradictory results. You don't even read the shit you cite as proof, lol.

 

And you can take off the tinfoil hat, I have no interest whatsoever, financial or otherwise, in what you stuff yourself with.

 

It's just funny to see the lengths people go to shift blame for obesity from themselves. HFCS, GM food, vaccines. The simple truth is caloric intake less caloric expenditure will determine how much weight your sorry ass gains.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:09 | 3009025 LetThemEatRand
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So I can give you cold hard facts, and you will simply brush them aside and acuse me of going to lengths because you supposedly know more than these Princeton scientists (yet your specifics consist of an Atlantic artcle)?  Do you really believe it is a stretch of science to suggest that chemicals can and do have an effect on human metabolism and appetite?  Let me guess -- global warming is also a hoax, right?   Thousands of scientists are in on it, right?  It would laughable if your ideologically based rejection of science were not so prevalent in main stream society.  Pretty soon your ilk will tell us we can't teach evoloution without saying it is equally possible that a cloud dwelling man put us here a few thousand years ago.  Oh shit, I hit on another one, didn't I?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:38 | 3009075 Dr Benway
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No, not at all, you're just ranting disjointedly. The fact is there is no body of evidence to support the wild claims you are making. Simple as that. Doesn't matter how much you rant or ad hominem.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:41 | 3009080 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, no body of evidence.  Just the scientific studies you have personally debunked with your ideology.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:53 | 3009095 Dr Benway
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To the contrary, it is you that only read the studies, or rather the articles misquoting the studies, that you agree with. Classic confirmation bias.

There will always be some study seemingly agreeing with your preconception, and it is that one you latch onto, despite thousands of studies over hundreds of years showing weight gain as a derivative of caloric intake less expenditure.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:58 | 3009098 LetThemEatRand
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So we all need to be able to double check the research of scientists before we can learn from them?  Should I stop using the internet because I cannot understand how it works on more than a rudimentary level?  

So which scientific concepts specifically do you find wrong in the Princeton study?  

And do you really believe that human metabolism cannot be affected by chemicals, such that part of the calories in/calories out equation cannot be changed?  I mean, really?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:10 | 3009129 Dr Benway
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Of course we all need to doublecheck the research, lol. Look, every year there are thousands of studies, many of them contradictory, and of different validity and applicability. You have to judge the weight of evidence on a particular matter, instead of jumping on the one rat study that confirms what you already believed. I can find you a study claiming that masturbation gives you brain cancer.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:17 | 3009141 LetThemEatRand
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So how many scientists have to agree about something that you cannot independently debunk before it is to be believed?  You are speaking the language of ideologues.   The tobacco lobby successfully convinced an entire generation of people that the science on the link between cigarettes and cancer was dubious, because they found a few whores who would say so.  Of course you can always find some excuse not to believe the facts.   I'll go with the university scientists.  You feel free to listen to Monsanto's PR department.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:30 | 3009259 Dr Benway
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The scientific consensus is that HFCS, GM foods and vaccines are safe. This is fact.

 

You can believe whatever crackpot theory you want, but don't hypocritically claim to use the scientific method.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:41 | 3009273 nmewn
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ROTFL!!!

Doc, you made my night! Can't wait to eat my eggs, an Alar tainted apple, followed by a nice red wine and the aspirin required for the headache of digging through what NOT to eat ;-)

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:12 | 3009360 Hulk
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As Joel Salatin likes to say: "sound science is killing us"

All the shit, literally, fed to cattle has been scientifically approved...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:11 | 3009309 LetThemEatRand
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True for vaccines (I have not spoken out against those), not true for HFCS.  For GM foods, I've seen studies on both sides -- most of that technology is new.   I eat GM foods all the time as do most people.  Your point is self-serving and more importantly inaccurate as it relates to what we were discussing, which is HFCS.  Show me a university study from this decade that says HFCS is harmless.  

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:15 | 3010286 kekekekekekeke
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I am cackling

 

love, 

 

A Crackpot

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:58 | 3009100 knukles
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ENOUGH, GODDAMNIT, LET'S SOLVE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL

 

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT

 

OR IF YOU WON'T BITE AT THAT ONE, THEN IT'S THE FAULT OF THE

 

 

JOOOOS

or

MUZZIES

 

ARGUE, YELL, HARAANG, SCREAM, SHOUT, DEFAME

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:18 | 3009105 LetThemEatRand
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Funny because most of the hateful rants here towards jooos and muzzies seem to eminate from the same people who think scientists cannot be trusted.  As for Bush, it probably is partly his fault.  He was a fucking douche, like Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Bush I, etc.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:00 | 3009578 Disenchanted
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Scene: Standing in the Court of High Dudgeon with the Honorable Judge knukles presiding.

 

Your Honor may I approach the bench?

 

Thank you your Honor.

 

Today I would like to ask the opinion of the court that in regards to the whole kit and kaboodle of the status quo Establishment(Gov't., MIC, Corp World, banking/finance/economic, 'news'/entertainment, etc., etc.) of the greatest corporation in the world The UNITED STATES OF AMERIKA from Presidents/CEOs down to "advisors" and staffers, who predominates..."JOOOOS or Muzzies?" Keeping in mind that "JOOOOS" only represent 2-3% of our general population.

 

No further questions your Honor...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:12 | 3009359 jballz
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global warming IS a hoax. It isn't that thousands of scientists are "in on it". It's that thousands of meatheads wander through a few years of college and are shat out the other end with a science degree and not a fucking clue how to monetize it.

Politicians pushing global tax revenue back agencies dispersing funds for "research" which lo and behold generates enough evidence for more research. And more research. And with a little luck from the push of the ignorant masses the money starts flowing back to the assholes looking for some other huge cash cow to regulate.

The world has not warmed for the last 16 years, the data has been curve fitted and adulterated to paint a bullshit picture.

Also I'm an environmentalist and I voted for Obama so don't give me any political bias bullshit. Bad science is bad science and AGW is the worst of the worst, detracts from the real problems of global pollution and destruction in a huge and disasterous way.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:42 | 3008815 monoloco
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In Mexico where I live, obesity is epidemic, just the lost hours of productivity, from the women trying to sqeeze their bloated nalgas into jeans that are 3 sizes to small, is staggering.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:34 | 3009069 Incubus
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"bloated natgas" sounds profitable

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:44 | 3008816 Dr Benway
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This article misses the main driver of obesity once people can afford enough crappy food, namely lower stigma against fat.

 

There is less societal pressure on the fat, and what is considered 'normal' has got fatter.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:27 | 3009326 TBT or not TBT
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This is the exact opposite of what we see on planet earth.    High obesity and malnutrition go together among the poor, because just about universally, the cheapest calorie sources are carbohydrate laden, and carbohydrates are uniquely fattening.    You find this everywhere on the planet where people eat developed world foods.   Numerous cases documented by western science and other careful observers, of societies introduced for the first time to carbohydrate laden western food staples including grains and sugars illustrated transformations of those societies from lean and free of "diseases of civilisation" such as diabetes to societies full of fatties and diabetics, as quickly as one generation.   In the Americas, in Africa, in Asia, in the Pacific Rim.   Over and over again.    Of course we also see a relation between income and obesity in western countries as well, an inverse relation.   The poorer oyu are the fatter you are.   BEcause carbohydrates are cheap.   Richer people can afford protein and fat, which are far less fattening than carbohydrate sources, and far more satiating.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 03:13 | 3009457 Parrotile
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In Australia, there seem to be more evidently fat people waddlimg around than there were say 10 years ago (OK, make that Year 2000), when we had the Olympics. Can't really remember noticing that many "obviously fat" people from the 1990 era, and in those days "wobbly people" really did stand out as exceptional.

It's almost certainly co-incidental, but the start of the 1990's saw the appearance of "affordable" ride-on lawnmowers, which for many with the larger blocks of land, became quite a status symbol (which of course led to everyone and his dog wanting one - even for tiddly little blocks), and by the early 2000 era we were seeing the arrival of quite inexpensive models, which could double up as tractors too.

So, no more lawn mowers to push, and for many "Bye, bye wheelbarrow" too.

Yet another roadblock on the "Calories OUT" highway, and unfortunately, one of many that "modernisation" has unwittingly provided.

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:47 | 3008820 cbxer55
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I've been working out since I graduated hs in 79, and am now 51. I went to a doctor in June this year because of one high blood pressure reading. Had not been to a doctor since 1987. I now check my blood pressure every day and it has remained normal since the one bad reading. Blood work came back exceptional, doctor was really happy. And I do not home cook very much, eat a lot of pre-packaged stuff, hate cooking. Doctor said compared to the normal person my age, I am a race horse. ;-)

I exercise every day, varying my workout from day to day to not overwork any one particular set of muscles. Pullups, chinups, pushups, situps holding various dumbells behind my head (start at 50 pounds and work down to 10), standing erect holding 50 pound weight overhead and doing full bendover and return to erect, crunchies (upper and lower), double crunchies, grip strength exercisers (Iron Mind Captains Of Crush are the best), weight lifting and bicycling. I feel terrific, and from the neck down I look better now than I ever have in my life, neck up not so much. ;-0

I take nothing but a multi vitamin and a herbal vitamin every day. Weigh 165, have BMI of 22. A typical blood pressure reading for me is like 110 over 70 with a pulse in the high 60s / low 70s. 

I avoid fast food places for the most part, Mickie Dee's maybe twice a year. Have a weakness for pizza and beer though! ;-)

Refrigerator is chock full of nothing but bottled water all the time, over 100 bottles in there at present and another 72 waiting to go in when there is room.  Other than that, two cups of coffee daily and some booze at night. May have a can of soda maybe twice a week.

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:15 | 3008866 Fred C Dobbs
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You got it firgured out.  People need to educate themselves and make better choices.  I stay away from GMO, BPA, high fructose corn syrup, msg, hydrogenated oils, take supplements, work out and of course no fast foods.  I too like my beer and wine a little too much.  

My co-worker was pre diabetic and he started taking Beyond Tangy Tangerine and he dropped 25 pounds and his blood readings are now normal every morning.  I take Life Extenstion products and have no vested interest in that product.  Only wanted to say it worked for him.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:20 | 3008873 cbxer55
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I may have it figured out, but apparently some folks don't like it.

Hmmmppphhh! Two down arrows for staying in shape and mostly eating right.

Must be a couple of lazy lard asses.  ;-)

Edit: make it three now. ;-0

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:43 | 3008915 Tinky
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Perhaps some of the down arrows were as a result of your horrifying plastic bottle related environmental record. Ever heard of a filter?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:45 | 3008969 cbxer55
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I recycle them, dummy. I may go the way of a filter eventually, but I have found a brand of bottled water that actually "tastes" good. Much better than what comes out of the faucet for sure. Not sure a filter can get all of the stuff in water out. Medicine that got into the water supply from rain runoff, etcetera.

I put the bottles in a sepa

rate bag, and take it to the recycling center once a month. Is that good enough for you?

I did up arrow you due to your environmental concern. ;-)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:06 | 3009027 onelight
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just fwiw I got a couple of Mercola's hard-glass no-break bottles for storing/toting water -- they work v well, and no risk of plastic chemical whatever seepage..

Living where the water has arsenic I have tinkered with kitchen filters and they work really well -- Berkey is among the best esp for outdoors but other models (like at Mercola.com) are rigorous too, and he explains it all

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:02 | 3008944 LetThemEatRand
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Some of the down arrows are probably related to distaste over your narcissist salute to your own greatness, not to mention that your ode to yourself couched as an observation that working out vigorously for a couple of hours a day is good for fitness is also appearing in next week's issue of "Duh" magazine.  People that didn't work out a lot were not as fat 30 years ago as are people today who don't work out a lot.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:46 | 3008977 cbxer55
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I do not have overwhelming thoughts that I am "GREAT". I was merely pointing out that one can survive on the foods of the day by taking care of one's self. I do not buy special foods from health stores, nor do I cook a lot. As a single guy (separated really), I do not like cooking as I usually cannot finish al the food before it goes bad. So I eat a lot of "packaged" stuff, and have suffered no ill effects for doing so. I also usually only eat one meal a day, with a little picking in between. I am not constantly stuffing my pie hole.

Couple hours a day? LOL. Do not have time for that. 45 minutes give or take. 

BTW: I did say that from the neck up I do not look so hot. Just mho. ;-) 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:48 | 3009087 LetThemEatRand
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I would add that what works for one person does not always work for another, including the same person at different ages.  Before I turned 30, I could eat, drink whatever I wanted in as much quantity as I could stand.  I had zero weight problem no matter how outrageous I was.  During my 30's that started to change.  By the time I turned 40, I had to pay attention, limit myself, and workout more.  If the "calories in/calories out" concept changes dramatically over one's life, then it stands to reason that many people start out with a much lower tolerance to the crap food we are all exposed to.   So for some, eating what they want and being somewhat moderate isn't good enough.  For some, they can eat and drink whatever.   I agree with you that everyone should be active.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:02 | 3009107 cbxer55
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I'll agree with that.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:04 | 3008946 onelight
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You're doing well, cboxer55 -- thanks for the rundown -- good motivation there. Sometimes different people hear the same things quite differently, and we all have to put it out there the way we see it.

Only thing I'd add is (Dr.) Mercola.com has some good whey protein products distinct/different, funtionally better than usual isolate product in stores - great for muscle recovery w/in 20-30 mins of workout -- also good science of strength training stuff he does with the interval training approach with Ori Hofmekler and others; it addresses the boosting of human growth hormone by the body with only small adjustment of workout and post-workout steps -- for someone already in the game, those would be added leverage w.out much effort

Also, he added an article on Kefir lately and I have been doing that for some time now -- Kefir = fermented milk (and fermented veggies via immunitrition.com ) I have found these to be a real spark plug for the immune system -- part of natural boost to longevity approach -- just fyi - there are youtube videos expanding on how to make, etc.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:40 | 3008995 Fred C Dobbs
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I guess you get Dr. Mercola's email newsletter as i do.  I recommend it to everyone.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:02 | 3009023 onelight
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Yeah, Fred -- I read the site on weekends when I have time; lots of good articles, including this on whey protein + probiotics + meal timing:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/23/ori-hofmek...

...and this one concerning what we used to call interval training back in high school 32 years ago:

http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2010/06/26/10-minutes-o...

Also, digestive enzymes help break down food for more value gained, and that helps metabolize the beer wine which I rather enjoy too

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:26 | 3009443 jballz
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I down arrowed you for the very complex reason of who gives a fuck?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:05 | 3009569 samcontrol
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did you ever think of putting Some of the water bottles somewhere besides inside the fridge..? Cold is better,,, burns calories, but 2 liters a day is fine, putting them back in the fridge everyday is good exercise.

long post to say exercise is good for you, no kidding.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:52 | 3008829 Yen Cross
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 Long " unionized" garbage collection... /sarc.off

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:52 | 3008830 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Time for another slice of pie, thank you, Thanksgiving.

More pushups tomorrow.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:37 | 3008904 knukles
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My doctor told me to repeat to myself many times every day; "Tomorrow I'm going to the gym."

Which I do as soon as I get up.
Works every time... Ain't got there, yet.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:06 | 3008949 formadesika3
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I'm not fat but I could stand to lose a little weight. For right now though, think I'll just flop down in fron of the wide-screen and watch some football.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:02 | 3009022 Dr. Sandi
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You know, they say appliances look like the people who own them. That's why so many of us have wide screen TVs.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:58 | 3009039 onelight
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I remember a college football player, a lineman named Perry, they used to call The Refrigerator -- he was great -- I guess now more people could resemble that, but not with any great utility..

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:41 | 3009179 formadesika3
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Appliances? I thought it was dogs.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:07 | 3009224 Dr. Sandi
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Hmm, you may be right.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:56 | 3008838 FROZENOJFUTURES
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One of the greatest punk compilations of all time "Survival of the Fattest" by Fat Wreck Chords

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI-rZcFYOw8&feature=related

 

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:00 | 3008841 Miffed Microbio...
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First there are articles about the growing challenge providing food for the growing world populations. Now there is a growing global obesity epidemic. Somehow both of these problems will correct in a long enough timeline? May not be too pleasant though.

Miffed:-)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:05 | 3008845 notadouche
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20 years ago there was a push by the government and media telling everyone it was ok to be fat and to feel good about yourself.  The day it became "ok" to be fat was the day people became fat.  Ridicule is one of the great motivators of mankind.  Now those same dickwads that told everyone it was ok to be fat are the same ones admonishing the country for being fat.  Make something shameful and watch the fat just meltaway.  

Ok I'm kidding, sort of.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:14 | 3009040 onelight
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Well it's working for the Kardashians..

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:02 | 3009108 knukles
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The Kardashians being shameful haven't made me loose any weight.

K porn maybe?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:26 | 3009156 onelight
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I think they represent the bigger-is-better-and-we'll-sell-you-the-leopardskin-knickers-and-some-confidence-to-go-wth-it meme...

There was a moment in their career progression when the idea of having a "cough" old "cough" sex tape "suddenly discovered" would help with ratings, and lo and behold one such item appeared, ie. old if you define later that afternoon as old..

Every so often someone takes pity and tries to help me understand the social importance of that klan, but I just don't get it..

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:49 | 3009192 Cathartes Aura
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and yet, ironically, you've demonstrated their use-fullness in your post. . .

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:59 | 3009210 onelight
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Hey that's right -- paraphrasing Carl Spackler, so they got that going for them..

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:38 | 3009172 notadouche
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Well I don't really think the Kardashians have any shame.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:01 | 3009189 onelight
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They're marketers and it's not my product...however, they do work hard, those girls, and that's points in their favor.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:06 | 3008848 Antifederalist
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Sugar and carbs. Bad stuff.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:09 | 3009032 Esso
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It's pretty much just that simple, the only other thing would be trans-fats.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:30 | 3009329 TBT or not TBT
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And modern vegetable oils, which are laden with omega-6 fatty acids, which are precursors to the most inflammatory signalling compounds our bodies produce.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:08 | 3009611 Esso
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Yes, the O6:O3 balance is very important to reduce inflammation (insulin is also inflammatory) leading to coronary artery disease. Ideally, the balance should be 1:1, in a typical Amerikan it's 25:1, heavy fast food eaters 40:1.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:09 | 3008854 chrisd
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I love the methodology of the Lancet and OECD to just take current trends and extrapolate them forward. Much like forecasts for stocks, inflation, debt and home prices in past forecasts

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:30 | 3009161 onelight
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Linear thinking is part of a full-employment act for consultants and analysts..

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:11 | 3008857 Jason T
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I watched this with my wife last week... Sugar, The Bitter Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Very enlightening...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:14 | 3008862 Cathartes Aura
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mmmmm, must be the weekend, teenage girls in thongs, and now a Fat Thread.

wooo-hooo.

still no reviewing the Jimmy Saville/Freemason pedophilia scandal?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:58 | 3008939 Aurora Ex Machina
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Jimmy raised over £40 million for charity, which created a lot of blind spots over his activities. Same goes for those named in said scandal ~ a lot of wealth generation for that generation, and apparently it was "a different time with different standards".

Conclusion is (same for the Americans) ~ it'll come out when you're dead, or past it, but not before. *cough* Penn State *cough*

 

And yes, Ms Aura, Penn State is at the centre of Family Firms Investment practises. Surprised? (Didn't think you'd be - here's a link to start; be careful though, sharp pointy teeth for 400 years in there)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:22 | 3008974 Cathartes Aura
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Jimmy was also embedded in the Auntie Beeb culture, funded by teevee licenses, mandatory.  so "everyone" has a stake in the investigation, theoretically. . .that the same peeps who kindly reminded you to unplug your machines before tuning out each late night also turned a blind eye to Saville might be shocking to some.

of course, Penn State represents the sacred ball-sports, a "fraternity" that shouldn't/couldn't be questioned, yet was when the episodes continued to rise.

much like the Boy Scouts, and their hidden records (how similar to PriestHoods can one get).

The full record is believed to date back as far as the mid-1920s and may involve as many as 100,000 children.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/18/boy-scout-perversion-files-law-firm-...

these abuses have always been with cultures, they've just remained untouchable by virtue *cough* of who has been in charge all this time, and who is losing control of the narrative. . .

off to peruse your link. . .

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:40 | 3008993 Aurora Ex Machina
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When you connect the owner of Autonomy PLC, who got his $8 bil blood money from HP, to his position in the BBC (non-exec director), your mind is going to be blown!

It's a lovely web we weave.

 

Oh, and if you want the entire list of Scouts? Here it is. And no, we still don't forgive people for black-holeing "the memory hole".

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:01 | 3009094 Cathartes Aura
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your link to the Boy Scout's list of abusers should be required reading by all here, talk about a "club" - it's no wonder there is so much suppressed anger, rooted in unacknowledged shame.  also notable are the many entries for the 1980's, when the "child abuse" scandals were first surfacing, and the majority were female, with the expected cultural/media "disbelief" applied.  denial from within.

and the Dr. Lynch OBE story, still poking around, certainly some interesting tales woven in there, cheers for the heads up.

kinda inbred up in those circles, but we all knew this. . .

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:43 | 3009346 Cosimo de Medici
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Damn, are you ever happy?  Is misery your only friend? Do you believe only a life full of bitterness and outrage is a life well lived, and are you of the view that a smile and a pleasant thought is an indication of a shallow soul?  Just a guess, but can that furrowed brow of yours take more ship tonnage than the Panama Canal?  Just DAMN!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:11 | 3009398 Cathartes Aura
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projection much?

I love research, and connecting the straggling dots.

and I come to ZH for the arguments, not the male bonding (obviously, *doh*)  though I'll admit, quite a few posters here DO make me laugh, not all of 'em intentionally. . .

here's some jokerz to cheer ya up!

in the spirit of the weekend Victoria's Secret thread,

Wanda Sykes - Waxed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBx1eMhzHQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1

George Carlin ~ The Male Disease    (if I posted any of these observations here, oooooh, the shit stirred!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=19cL0RuJx4E

when not poking holes in notions mistaken for truths (whilst listening to great music, played LOUD) - I'm usually out with people I care about, all of whom make me laugh, easily.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:25 | 3009849 Ginsengbull
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Back in the old days, when someone did something bad to someone, they might have had a terrible accident, or caught a "stray" bullet during hunting season.

 

Nowadays, when someone does something bad to someone else, they get lawyers and police involved, arguing, denying, blaming the victim, threatening to sue, or paying off the victim.

 

The old way solved the problem, but the modern way allows the problem to repeat.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:08 | 3009123 Cathartes Aura
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this Family Firms Investment stuff, wot a hoot!

But an increasing number of hedge funds are going in the opposite direction. A rash of prominent managers have turned their shops into family offices, hoping to evade onerous new regulations that will require hedge funds to disclose details about their strategies and operations.

Stanley Druckenmiller, the former lead portfolio manager for George Soros, who had one of the most enviable track records on Wall Street, shuttered his hedge fund in 2010 and created a family office.

Shortly after, his mentor followed suit. Mr. Soros returned what little capital belonged to outsiders in his hedge fund last year, opting instead to form a large, $24 billion family office. He noted that as a family office he could avoid the prying eyes of regulators.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/04/04/family-investment-funds-go-huntin...

the "new" royality, same as the olde royals, with OBE's and other lettered proofs.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:15 | 3009240 Aurora Ex Machina
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As I said:

Be really careful when you start investigating that.

If you're not in an aggressively condom-based security setup, stop, and think what you're connecting to the intarweb with. "And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."

 

No messing.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:23 | 3009406 Cathartes Aura
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aye, appreciate the heads up.  it's pretty much why I stopped digging around of late, not really worth the mental aggro any more - I've spent years reading enough to know I don't really need to know more. . . and if I'm honest, most of what I've researched merely confirmed what I've suspected, though sure, lots of WTF's in there too. . .

the abyss is always endless.

cheers for the to'n'fro - it was getting rather stale here of late. . .

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:03 | 3009587 Disenchanted
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re: Penn State

 

That's why they brought Louie B. Freeh and his 'report' in to hurriedly sweep it all under the rug...after all we must always 'move on'(translation - before any higher-ups are brought to account).

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:21 | 3008877 Hulk
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I'm going long bidet's, as 75% of the population ain't going to be able to wipe their own ass in a few years...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:39 | 3008903 Yen Cross
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I want better odds. / 2/3rds is better then 3/4ths... I need to run the P/L charts for 3 wheeled skooter manufactures first!

 

Intrade - Home    obesity Bitchez...
Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:05 | 3009026 Dr. Sandi
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I'm sure there will be a govenment ass assistance program for that.

All the people who worked hard in political campaigns, but who have no value to the political machine once it's elected can become paid governmental asswipes.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:49 | 3009349 Cosimo de Medici
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Go long the Nikkei.  Japan is the birthplace of the multi-function toilet.  Just the owner's manual makes the US tax code tome look like a Twitter message.  More buttons than the cockpit of a A380, and enough special functions to tickle any imaginable "fancy".  I believe one of the towers at Ark Hills in Akasaka still has the Toilet Museum.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:46 | 3009385 cbxer55
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Will it tickle my pickle?  ;-0

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:27 | 3008883 surf0766
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False Flag. Has to be.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:32 | 3008894 debtor of last ...
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In a fat fat world, thank God the agri-dollar will save us.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:10 | 3009034 Dr. Sandi
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For me, the irony of this is that as I've built a really elaborate foundation for the new greenhouse, the pounds have melted away.

Okay, maybe not melted so much as dripped. But the point is, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A GREENHOUSE YET. So it's not the healthier diet, it's that awful physical labor a couple of hours a day that's been doing the job.

One thumb up for more physical exertion and one thumb down for all the aching muscles that I don't remember having.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:31 | 3009113 onelight
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Fuel mix matters, but no substitute for running the engine -- and they reinforce.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:34 | 3008897 notadouche
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Ok there was a time a couple of decades ago that obesity was genetic, something that wasn't controllable.  Now it's all about suguary soda's and what not.  Why does the story keep changing.  In the end all this is nonsense.  A calorie is a calorie is a calorie.  You take in more than you need you gain weight.  You take in a little less than you need you lose wieight.  It's not that damned hard.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:40 | 3008909 knukles
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Why's the story keep changing?
The new meme replaces the old meme once the old meme has run its course, no longer providing power, money, property and prestige to the meme providers.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:59 | 3008941 Antifederalist
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Dupe

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:58 | 3008942 Antifederalist
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Yes, but a sugar calorie makes you want more. A protein or "good fat" calorie satisfies your hunger.

Of course it is calories in calories out. But the chemistry alters your desires.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:34 | 3008900 Bansters-in-my-...
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Keep up the good work U.S.A
Soon to fat to go to war around the world in the name of self defence.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:03 | 3009166 onelight
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The geniuses said that countries that both have McDonalds branches will never go to war with each other; who knew it was because they'd be too lazy..

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 05:34 | 3009497 Incubus
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oh, they'll fight, but it'll be awfully vicarious.

 

Drones will do the work that men used to do.  All 'round the respective countries, you'll have rotund 'soldiers' blowing each other up with remote control toys.

 

I think we might need to up the megatonnage on our bombs, though.  Need more of that stuff to blow the fatasses away.

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:54 | 3009200 Cathartes Aura
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no problemo, the MIC is giving out green card residency to anyone who enlists. . .

globalists plan ahead!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:38 | 3008906 negative rates
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Yea, it's called too much junk in the trunk.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:40 | 3008910 unirealist
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Fatness is becoming so much the norm that it is hardly noticed.

I grew up in the 50's and 60's.  In my school yearbooks, only 1-2% of the kids are overweight--and NONE of my classmates were obese.  Skinny, skinny, skinny, virtually everyone in the damned school, including staff.  And I don't mean just "normal" weight.  I mean skinny to the point that today would suggest anorexia.

But I don't think it's simply a matter of consumed calories that matters.  There's more to the problem than that.  Nor is it simply a matter of not enough exercise.  Somehow we are collectively altering our metabolisms to accelerate the production of fat cells.

Whether the cause is HF corn syrup, genetically modified foods, antibiotics, or over-processed foods without necessary nutrients, is not clear.  But ending all three of these practices would not be a bad thing at all.  

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:51 | 3008927 notadouche
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It's all about the activity levels.  Technology has replaced much of the manual labor folks did then.  My southern grandparents ate fried food every day of their life with butter and bacon grease and all the "bad foods" that are getting much scorn today.  They lived into their mid 90's much like their parents did.  They worked hard everyday.  They did not work behind a desk.  Even their leisure time was spent working in the garden they kept.  It's much less about the input than it is the output.  European cities I've been to, the drink wine everyday, eat the "bad foods" but they walk and bike where they need to go.  Don't see the obesity their either.  Active lifestyle is the real secret, not weather or not you drinking a 16 oz. soda.  That's just ridiculous.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:13 | 3009037 lotsoffun
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notadouche - forgot to mention one other thing.  portions.

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:33 | 3009335 TBT or not TBT
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Except that, you basically can't get fat eating principally fats and protein, and going very light on the carbs.   Carbs, uniquely, trigger fat storage, by stimulating the production of insulin.    The 16oz sugary drink causes insulin production, ergo fat storage.   That's science.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:49 | 3008926 surf0766
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Imagine a world where the mass production of food stopped or the harvest was cut by 60% because of the need to remove the items suggested in this thread. 98% of the idiots cannot sow a seed.  I don't know if all of the additives are good or bad but one thing is for sure, I'd rather see them eat than watch then riot.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:13 | 3009834 Ginsengbull
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Can't sow seeds, but they can make babies.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:51 | 3008929 Aurora Ex Machina
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The last American I ate was sickly sweet, and I even chose one of the "healthy option" ones. Couldn't get past the taste, had to grab an East German raised on pickles and sauerkraut to clense my palate.

 

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:06 | 3008950 magpie
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That sounded eery and sick

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerikaner_(Geb%C3%A4ck)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:29 | 3008984 Aurora Ex Machina
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One for sorrow,
Two for luck
Three for a wedding,
Four for death
Five for silver,
Six for gold;
Seven for a secret,
Not to be told;
Eight for heaven,
Nine for hell
And ten for the devil's own sell!

 

Who said this was about pastries?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:02 | 3010123 Incubus
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I wouldn't eat an American.  Too pumped up on chemicals and sickly. 

Maybe a younger one that hasn't succumbed to illness yet, but Americans are poor quality product.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:55 | 3008935 unirealist
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By the way, the only reason corn syrups are ubiquitous in the US is because the f*cking anti-Castro-ites in Florida insist we keep up economic sanctions against Cuba.

Which means price supports on US-grown sugar, which makes corn syrup cheaper than white sugar here.

White sugar is cheaper in Central America, so corn syrups are not used.  E.g. "Mexican" Coca-Cola.  E.g. in Nicaragua, where corn syrup is almost non-existent.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:07 | 3008951 nasdaq99
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unirealist, that's wrong.  it's Archer Daniels Midland and the midwest farm corn lobby keeping the s american sugar out.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:13 | 3009038 Dr. Sandi
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With the subsidies on corn being so profitable, I'm wishing I could develop a way to make cellphones out of corn.

But probably somebody already has.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:42 | 3009343 TBT or not TBT
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Hmmm.   Corn prices have been driven up because so much corn...the sugars in corn...go to produce ethanol, to meet federal and local mandates for gasoline ethanol content.    Stupid but true.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:09 | 3008952 autofixer
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I have an idea to cut the Federal deficit.  Let's just deny healthcare to anyone who is obese.  Since 75% of Americans are obese, ding!  Deficit fixed!  Ahhh, the wonders of state controlled medical care. Thank you for your vote, suckers!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:15 | 3008963 Antifederalist
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Related idea, if you receive benefits from the government you lose your vote.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:32 | 3008991 Cathartes Aura
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hmm, will you include CONgress and corporate lobbyists, Wall Street, and all else who receive gov't Bennies?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:46 | 3009000 Antifederalist
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Yep. All of them. Sound money, no bailouts. No Citizens United. Money out of politics. My point is how can people who receive benefits vote on the amount they will receive. Once the tipping point is hit (like now) the system collapses because there is no limit to their demands and no political solution. See: gridlock, Federal Deficit.

So, the money becomes worthless.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:31 | 3009064 Antifederalist
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Every red arrow is from a STATIST.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:14 | 3008954 Yen Cross
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 My best to you all... I need to pick a few " pomegranates" from alongside my fence. They are going to be part of a sweet salsa over "ahi fillets"... I home grow my own 'jalepeno peppers', so I'm going to dice a few up to accent the sweetness.(cilantro,lemon,red bell pepper, sweet corn, and a dash of this and that.

  Then it's Barramundi, Bugs, Lamb,(real bacon) and  papayas & bread Fruit...

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:12 | 3008959 Antifederalist
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It is almost criminal the way the food lobby has misinformed people.

Go primal. Protein, natural fats , vegatable carbs. No sugar. Thin even without exercise. If it is processed don't eat it.

Unfortunately, less profits in wellness.

The way fat has been demonized pisses me off. We need fat to be satisfied. Bacon, eggs, red meat. I eat them all. Butter is much better for you than margarine but not according to the food industry.

It is sick. Food ignorance is killing people.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:08 | 3009663 BurningFuld
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If you really want to stay thin don't cook your food. Cooking greatly aids in the break down of foods. It takes a whole lot more energy from your body to digest uncooked food. Look it up!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:28 | 3008960 BlackholeDivestment
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Corruption defines the bottom-line market principle price point paid by poor humans and wealthy humans. Eating the shit of short term gains, that kills more humans quicker, is cheaper and defines the power of the soul-less political voice that has established the global new world order  wealthy client/stake holder price point reality at hand. This is the Moloch market princple. Did you think them occult boys were just fooling around in these woods? Soylent Green is made from people. 

P.S. All those poor and evil fat asses that voted for the 2 Party Mark of the 666 Beast will die sooner, and the individual; that pays the higher cost for the fall, by living longer, lol, will discover the new Rosemary's/Apollyon 2112 Baby Care 666 price point, if they are dumb enough to work for a, lol, ''living''. LMAO.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:31 | 3009262 itstippy
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Too much lysergic acid diethylamide is also bad for you.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:14 | 3008962 unirealist
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Fatness won't be solved by "eating less" and "exercising more."

What fat people need to do is change their eating habits by returning to a more natural diet.  That means less sugar and less CORN, and no more fast food.

Unfortunately, there are entrenched interest making a LOT of money by feeding us crap, and then treating us medically for what the crap does to us.

Yes, aerobic exercise will help a lot.  Not because it burns calories, but because it changes the way the body processes calories. 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:15 | 3008965 Antifederalist
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Amen

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:09 | 3009126 onelight
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Yeah, and while it's preaching to the choir at this point, here's Dr Ron Schmid on that very topic -- more power to you:

http://www.drrons.com/dr-rons-superfats-super-fun-diet.htm

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:14 | 3009041 Dr. Sandi
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My grandad said 'Corn was made for drinkin'.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:26 | 3009058 cbxer55
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And it's getting near time to start pouring me some. ;-)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:15 | 3008964 Girl Trader
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Recent research shows that it is in fact starch and sugary liquids which have caused the obesity.  Our packaged goods industry heavily markets foods which over time cause insulin resistence, and eventually obesity.  Diabetes is the utlimate outcome for some.  A low starch diet has been shown to reduce the risk of cancer as well.

The diet is not strictly low-carb, as was the Atkins diet.  There are a wider range of foods which can be eaten, making it easier to stay on it.  It is a low glycemic load diet.  I feel great and am losing weight steadily on the diet.

The low-fat, high-carb regime the public has been sold for 20+ years is a hoax; it was an invention of a non-doctor who was on a congressional committee, and became gospel.  All scientific attempts to prove the efficacy of such diets for weight loss and maintenance have failed.  The obesity you see today is people faithfully following the inaccurate direction they have been given. 

Please see Rob Thompson, M.D.:

The Glycemic Load Diet

The Glycemic Load Diet Cookbook

The Low-Starch Diabetes Solution

These are all available on Amazon for reasonable prices.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:19 | 3008972 Antifederalist
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Bingo. Low fat , high carb is a fraud. Pure and simple.

They want you to be sick folks.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:41 | 3008996 Cathartes Aura
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.

The low-fat, high-carb regime the public has been sold for 20+ years is a hoax; it was an invention of a non-doctor who was on a congressional committee, and became gospel.

succinct.

gov.t sanctioned "food pyramids" sponsored by ADM, Monsanto, and Corporate Pharma in a cradle-to-grave death-grip on the populace, guaranteed profits from every angle.  and now mandatory pharma-"health"-care will continue the cycle downwards. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharmaceutical_companies

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:07 | 3009121 knukles
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Absolutely.
Everybody on Wall Street knows that the top of the consumption pyramid is booze, coke and hookers

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:22 | 3008976 foxmuldar
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Are you going to take me home tonight,

Ah down beside that red firelight,

Ah you gonna let it all hang out?

Fat bottom girls you make the rockin world go round!!!

Hey!

 

I was just a skinny lad

Never knew good from bad.

But I knew life before I left my nursery. 

 

Left alone with a big fat fanny

She was such a naughty nanny

Hey big women you made a bad boy out of me.

 

I've been singing with my band

Across the wire across the land

I've seen every blue eyed floozy on the way

 

But their beauty and their style

Went kind of smooth after a while

Take me to them dirty ladies everytime!

 

Ohhhh! wont you take me home tonight

Ahhhh! down beside your red firelight

Oh and you give it all you got

Fat bottom girls you make the rockin world go round

Fat bottom girls you make the rockin world go round

 

Hey listen here Now your mortgages and homes

I got stiffness in my bones.

Aint no beauty queen in this locality

 

Oh but I still get my pleasure

Still got my greatest treasure

Hey big women your gonna make a big man out of me

Now get this.

 

Oh you gonna take me home tonight

down beside that red firelight

Oh you gonna let it all hang out

Fat bottom girls you make the rockin world go round

Fat botom girls you make the rockin world go round

 

Get on your bikes and ride you fat asses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEbEMjKitA4

Love this tune. Queen rocks. 

 

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:42 | 3008997 Cathartes Aura
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long history of affinity between gay men and fat girls, *nods*

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:38 | 3009076 Bear
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And all this time I thought the affinity was between gay men and other gay men

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:09 | 3009125 knukles
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And whooda thunk a toothpick skinny guy named Freddie Mercury wearing a skin tight harlequin one piece jumper with a band named Queen would be gay?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:03 | 3009218 Cathartes Aura
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judas priest!!  gay???  not Fredury too??

heh.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:23 | 3008978 Papasmurf
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Qsymia, not for the faint of heart.

http://www.qsymia.com/hcp/safety.aspx

Belviq

http://us.eisai.com/package_inserts/BelviqPI.pdf

5.2 Valvular Heart Disease
Regurgitant cardiac valvular disease, primarily affecting the mitral and/or aortic valves, has been reported in
patients who took serotonergic drugs with 5-HT2B receptor agonist activity. The etiology of the regurgitant
valvular disease is thought to be activation of 5-HT2B receptors on cardiac interstitial cells. At therapeutic
concentrations, BELVIQ is selective for 5-HT2C receptors as compared to 5-HT2B receptors. In clinical trials of
1-year duration, 2.4% of patients receiving BELVIQ and 2.0% of patients receiving placebo developed
echocardiographic criteria for valvular regurgitation at one year (mild or greater aortic regurgitation and/or
moderate or greater mitral regurgitation): none of these patients was symptomatic [see Adverse Reactions (6.1)
see Clinical Pharmacology (12.1)].

 

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:29 | 3008983 dolph9
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Obesity is not complicated.  People are obese because they are greedy, selfish fucks who gladly stuff themselves to give their lives some meaning, long term consequences to themselves and society be damned.

There was once a word for these people (back when human society was still capable of making judgments)....gluttons.

But now, in the modern age, you can't say anything bad about anybody.  In fact it's quite the opposite...the fit people have to work their butts off to provide the food stamps and ambulances and health care for the obese.

I'm fat and beautiful!  I'm fat and I have high self esteem!  I'm fat and I'm worth it!

No you're not.  You are a FUCKING DISGUSTING PIG OF A HUMAN BEING.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:16 | 3009042 Dr. Sandi
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You're beautiful when you talk bullshit!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:36 | 3009071 Bear
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Go eat endive.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:15 | 3009238 zkay
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http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-longer

 

It is becoming known as the "obesity paradox," but this is something of a misnomer. That's because few studies have linked obesity with longer life.

Rather, the studies generally suggest that people with a BMI of 25 to 29.9 -- which is considered overweight but not obese -- have a survival advantage over people with higher or lower BMIs.

BMI, which is a measure of body fat based on a person's height and weight, is used to classify people into weight categories -- underweight, normal weight, overweight, and obese.

Based on BMI scores, a 5-foot, 5-inch adult would be considered:

  •  Underweight at 110 pounds or less (BMI <18.5)
  •  Normal weight at 111 to 149 pounds (BMI = 18.5-24.9)
  •  Overweight at 150 to 179 pounds (BMI = 25-29.9)
  •  Obese at 180 to 210 pounds (BMI = 30-34.9)
  •  Extremely obese at 211 pounds or more (BMI = 35 or greater)
Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:15 | 3009241 zkay
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Compared to people who fell into the normal-weight category:

  • Those classified as underweight were 73% more likely to die.
  • Those classified as extremely obese with BMI of 35 or greater were 36% more likely to die.
  • Those classified as obese with BMI 30-34.9 had about the same risk of death.
  •  Those classified as overweight with BMI 25-29.9 were 17% less likely to die.

The study appears online this week in the journal Obesity.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:15 | 3009677 BurningFuld
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That's caus the people at 110 pounds or less are all doing crystal meth. Which unfortunately has it's own inherent set of health pitfalls.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:08 | 3009819 Ginsengbull
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The poor man eats, that he may live.

 

The rich man lives, that he may eat.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:28 | 3008986 backhandtopspin...
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call me paranoid but maybe they are fattening us up SO THEY CAN EAT US!!

(it aint paranoia if they wash you down with milk)

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