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Montana GOP Rep.: "Pay Me In Gold Before Dollars Have No Value"

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Jerry O'Neil, six-term GOP state representative in Montana, has asked to receive his salary (which at $10.33 per hour is around $1800 per month) in gold or silver. The long-standing legislator was driven to this decision by his constituents' concerns about the nation's massive debt-load and fears of our country's collapse as "only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value." The long-time Ron Paul supporter, according to Time, cited Article 1, Section 10 of the US Constitution, which says, in part, that "No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts." State administrators have denied his request and added that "a bill could be introduced to accomplish this result." O'Neil, like many other, believes "The Keynesian era of financing government with debt appears to be close to its demise."

 

From O'Neil's Letter (via HuffPo):

It is very likely the bottom will fall out from under the U.S. dollar. Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value. The Keynesian era of financing government with debt appears to be close to its demise.

 

If and when that happens, how can we in the Montana Legislature protect our constituents? -- The only answer I can come up with is to honor my oath to the U.S. Constitution and request that your debt to me be paid in gold and silver coins that will still have value when the U.S. dollar is reduced to junk status. I therefore request my legislative pay to be in gold and silver coins that are unadulterated with base metals.

 

Via Time:

A GOP state representative in Montana who asked to receive his salary in gold and silver coins has been rebuffed by the state’s Office of Legislative Services. Rep. Jerry O’Neil, who hails from the small town of Columbia Falls in the northwest corner of the state, sent a letter earlier this month requesting that his salary from here on in be paid in coins.

 

Given the state of the U.S. economy and the massive national debt, O’Neil reportedly worried that America’s paper currency could be on the brink of collapse. “Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value,” he explained to the local Daily Inter Lake newspaper. According to USA Today, O’Neil is a longtime supporter of Ron Paul, the former Texas congressman and perennial presidential candidate who advocates a return to the gold standard.

 

However, it was O’Neil’s constituents who led him to consider requesting his salary in coins.  O’Neil has never before raised the subject of how he should be paid during his six terms as state representative for Montana’s Flathead Valley. “My constituents, when I went door to door, one of the things they were interested in was the $17 trillion national debt,” he explained to the Huffington Post. “Some of my constituents said we would not have this problem if we had currency backed by gold.”

 

Making his case to the Daily Inter Lake, O’Neil cited Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constution, which says, in part, that “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.”

 

“How can we in the Montana Legislature protect our constituents?” O’Neil asked in his letter to the Office of Legislative Services.

 

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Montana state legislators are paid $10.33 per hour while the legislature is in session; O’Neil estimated his salary to be about $1,800 a month, close to the market value of one 2012 American Eagle One Ounce Gold Proof Coin, according to Politico.

 

Sheryl Olson, the deputy director of the Montana Department of Administration, told the Huffington Post that state employees are paid either by a state warrant of payment (basically, a check) or via direct deposit. To her knowledge, O’Neil is the only government worker to have requested payment in gold coin, she said.

 

Montana legislative attorney Jaret Coles responded to O’Neil’s letter last week, informing him that neither the U.S. Constitution nor Montana state law requires an agency to pay its debts with gold and silver, according to the Flathead Beacon. Coles explained in his letter that if a member of the legislature wishes to be paid in gold or silver “a bill could be introduced to accomplish this result,” reports Politico.

 

O’Neil has decided not to follow through on this advice and is looking into other options.

 


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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment bobm2626
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Gold "Mutha Fuckin" Bitchez!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment ACP
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For a good laugh, actually follow the HuffPo link and read the comments for entertainment value.

I'm just waiting for the left to further demonize gold to the point of being a domestic terrorist.

"It's not the spiraling debt, it's all these crazy gold bugs undermining the value of the dollar! They must be stopped!"

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Dirty, stinking speculators. No, I think DHS is already tracking people interested in gold, silver, the Constitution and liberty.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment ACP
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No doubt all the posts here, as well as our personal emails, phone calls and any other electronic communication are now (and have been) stored in Bluffdale, Utah, for "future use."

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Hang all the Criminal Sociopath Bankerticians and their Cop thug friends

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:59 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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I believe their Cop thug friends are the ones who normally do the hangings.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Which explains the lack of hangings...........

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Cops prevent banker hangings, hang the cops.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Before you watch these videos, there's a few tidbits of understand I'd like to spell out.

The Class 2 & 3 UFOs are probably spirits of dead people and demonic entities who can't escape the Earthly realm because they are unacceptable and don't qualify to pass onto the higher realms of conscientiousness. They are hell bent on filthying up the place for their demonic master. Class 2 UFOs, glowing orb like manifestations, are the spirits of dead useful idiots and Class 3 UFOs, elongated bacteria shaped, are the dead spirits of Rothschild's, Rockefeller's, et al, whose Earth bound consciousness influences physical useful idiots and political leaders of men for enslavement and personal destruction purposes. Class 1 UFOs are physical anti-gravity drive secret craft already manufactured but hidden from us.

Joshua the Messenger, I only use English words I can understand, figured this out a long time ago and pretty much explained the whole thing. Today many follow a bastardized false Christianity that was re-written about 70AD to deceive people of the true message. I don't like to give names and put labels on something so massive in scope, but I'll refer to it as, the "Creating Conscientiousness of the Universe", is in charge of the place.

The choice we have is, do we want to side with those hell bent on filthying up the place with a New World Order one world government and people who are of a worse kind influenced by Earth bound entities, or do we want to side with a self determination type of people who are not influenced by spirits of dead people and Earth bound demons, and be of a of a better kind of people for beautifying the place. I believe this is the challenge of the day.

I don't have all the answers, but I think I'm onto something.

The Real Story Behind Aliens_ Ufos_ Demons_ Illuminati & Satanism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atxGNYrBftI&feature=related

*AGE OF DECEIT* (FULL) Fallen Angels and the New World Order

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M&feature=related

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Yes, you definately are on something

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I should have stated, read my words only after watching those videos.

There's some missing information in them but are very close to reality.

Perhaps a person needs to have a good primmer to even have the ability of having a cognitive level of understanding. A good start would be to read Mystery Of The Ages by Herbert W Armstrong. Use a King James version of the Bible when reading it.

I really don't expect even a handful of people to discuss the issue intelligently.

http://www.cogneo.org/literature/hwa/books/mystery.pdf 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:43 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Interesting but sophormoric attempt to conflate Ron Paul supporters with UFO believers.   And when I say "interesting," I mean it is interesting that someone wants to try.  Perhaps I am a conspiracy theorist myself, but I don't think you posted your very uncharacteristic (for this site) UFO bullshit on this thread for no reason.   

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I don't believe in UFOs. That's the point of the exercise. I believe in manifestations of spirit entities that we are made to mistaken as UFOs for specific reasons.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:51 | Link to Comment erg
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You don't believe in UFO's. Whatever UFO's may exist are just Terran tech. That's all that it is. Occam's Razor.

You're moving into David Icke territory, with maybe a touch of Bluebeam psychosis.

I'll grant you that I consider humanity as being at best only lightly enlightened. A bevy of religions trying to explain the universe.

The fact remains that we're not really that enlightened at all. We're in fact very prone to violence and destruction.

You're better off describing religion for yourself than be bound to intellectually thin precepts.

Don't steal, don't kill each other, don't fuck your neighbors wife, we get it. These base elements of civilization are andemic in religious doctrine.

Beyond such obvious, apparent things, there's not much left for me relative to the so-called established religions.

As I said, you're better off making it up for yourself.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
Sun, 11/25/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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After visiting the waterboard ride at the DHS....Jerry rescinded his demands.

 

In the press conference he stated "What the hell was I thinking?"

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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waiting for the "new waco & ruby ridge"..too many are out of line. gotta remind the tax units who in in control.

PM holders are a national threat to the NWO..connect the dots. Obuma is the type who will fit the crime.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I agree. Every organized religion is virtually usless basterdized deception. It's better you discover universal realities yourself the best you can.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment herewego...
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Worser than a troll.

COINTELPRO Techniques for Dilution, Misdirection and Control of an Internet Forum

...Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-10-28/cointelpro-techniques-di...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I know I can thread jack with just a few sentences, or even one sentence, from my keyboard. I'm that powerful. Stop reminding me. I usually only post on off peak hours for that reason.

We can all think on multiple levels at the same time, the contributers on Zero Hedge.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment HamFistedIdiot
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Thanks for bringing this up. I've noticed more thread jacking here lately. There have been terribly diluted threads with a couple of posters taking over the majority of posts with off-topic dialogue, with the effect being that people like me lose interest in the discussion as a whole and then don't read long enough to benefit from the many insightful on-topic posts that are made in each thread. I have been banned or censored repeatedly at HuffPo, Common Dreams, Google, and Amazon on issues related to 9-11. While I don't think someone should be censored for bringing up UFOs or Religion in a thread on gold, perhaps -- assuming that site administrators have the time (that is a big assumption) -- Zerohedge could have the off topic post hidden (triggered by posters' negative ratings, or directly by an administrator) and then shown only by the reader clicking a "show post anyway" button. Infowars.com is crawling with this crap, and Alex's response, which I am not happy with, is rather than editing and archiving the article + numerous posts, he simply deletes all the comments after a week or two. I rarely post there nowadays because I don't want my contributions to be erased. Discussions are frequently more insightful than the original article.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment herewego...
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Anyway, back to the point: Montana GOP Rep.: "Pay Me In Gold Before Dollars Have No Value". 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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How do you explain the plethora of funny humerus one liner comments at the beginning of every thread that contribute nothing to the topic at hand? They add no in depth understanding to the topic and just take up space. At least If I throw you a curve ball and you don't want to engage, maybe your funny bone will get bruised and you will focus on the topic at hand and contribute something of value, or go away.  

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 03:24 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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You just wrote the equivalent of a mouthful of shit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I may not have been permitted to give away the worlds greatest secret right here on Zero Hedge, but I did anyway, so tuff fucking shit.

And it is a mouthful, even if I do say so myself.

 

G. Edward Griffin in Toronto (November 16th 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPJoccytom0&feature=youtu.be

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 04:37 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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I'm still on the first vid. Interesting, thanks.

The folks in charge are definitely Luciferians. That much I know.

Of course, the real question is "Why," and while I can't say I agree w/everything your top link claims, at least it's trying to answer that question, which is the next, logical step.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Hey Wiseguy...

I'm guessing that getting blown off ZH for being a troll isn't stopping you from being reincarnated.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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They have been stored for years, the trick is that now there is the capability to organize and act on all of that data.  In socal they are taking it to a new level as they are implementing crowd scanning technology

http://www.globalresearch.ca/california-gets-face-scanners-to-spy-on-eve...

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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The Bankerticians are getting hyper-paranoid

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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A good book to not buy is The Watchers: The Rise of America's Surveillance State, which provides a history of the various electronic information collection and processing. In the early days all electronic data could be collected and stored but not processed quickly or efficiently. Then, through another massive program, one in series of many, the NSA found way to process all the data in real time without bringind down their computer systems. All metadata is collected and all communications are intercepted and screened. Not sure if every single bit or bite or an attachment is also copied and kept, but one major factor is that there is a record of every email, phone call, tweet, fax, blog post (you can find your blog posts via google by querrying your screen name) bitcoin transaction, electronic funds transfer, any electronic banking transaction and so on. This is so that should you become a problem it will take only few seconds to call up complete dossier for you and any positive parts will be left out, any "negative" parts left in, and presto the feds will have national security letter for you.

Next time you go to see your doctor ask them for a copy of their medical records retention and access agreement. On mine I found an intereting little section, Item 16 which said as a matter of national security they will provide the feds access to my medical records and may not disclose to me that they have done so. This was enacted about 2003 if I recall correctly. The feds have access to everything as everything is related to national security.

Surprise

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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I wish these fuckers would let me access my data next time my hard drive crashes!!!!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:36 | Link to Comment TacticalZen
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Since Bluffdale is known it could be destroyed introducing a wild card into this equation.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Except that Bluffdale is the stage name for Cheyenne Mountain.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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ACP, the HuffPo comment sections are sadly a refelection of the majority. The folks who comment there are a reflection of the electorate that gave O his second term. 

 

The HuffPo crowd are by and large a vile and pathetic lot who live in a dream world of lattes, green energy and iphones.  They are however, what America has become so get used to it because it will only get worse.  Just wait for Cap and Trade, a general amenesty and the 2014 announcment of Michelle as America's first female and second African American President.   

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment ACP
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Agree. I think a good new hashtag for twitter to label the race-baiters and otherwise brainwashed stupids would be:

#HuffingtonBigot

Let them be known for the McCarthyism of the day.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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Arianna's real last name is another option  Stassinopoulos or what I prefer  #Stassi

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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I will not pay and do everything in my power to destroy the NWO "Carbon Unit Tax".

Carbon Dioxide is Gaia Food.

'STAR TREK: The Motion Picture' in 10 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkDF3Kufh6c

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I agree, and the Drudge Report comments that follow many of his links are the mirror image -- equally devoid of intelligence and independent thought.  The Drudge Report crowd are by and large a vile and pathetic lot who live in a dream world of Chinese made cowboy hats, GM made Hummers and iphones.  They are however, what America has become so get used to it because it will only get worse.  Just wait for increased Drug Wars (hard to imagine, but possible), a general amnesty of those who question the terrorist alert levels, and the 2014 announcement of Jeb Bush as America's first Hispanic-married and third Bush President.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment odatruf
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LTER - true enough. I don't know whether the prevailing ignorance is worse now than in the past or if the web simply provides a megaphone to those who never had been heard in the past. Either way, it is damn depressing.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:37 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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A little of both, I think.  Mostly, it is tribalism.  Most humans associate with a team.   Very intelligent people dress in colors to go to a game, and they are very happy if the team wins even when it was clearly because of a bad call by the Ref.  They want to be on the winning team, even when it is utterly meaningless to their lives.  By the same token, once someone associates with a political team, they tend to care little about what the team actually does so long as the team leaders say the right things.  The sociopaths who tend to leadership roles -- be they elected or dictator or oligarch -- figured that out a LONG time ago.    

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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I think George P. Bush is going to run.

http://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lounge/119309-george-p-bush-has-made-ca...

DALLAS (AP) - George P. Bush, a nephew of former Presidenthttp://teakdoor.com/the-teakdoor-lounge/119309-george-p-bush-has-made-ca...

DALLAS (AP) - George P. Bush, a nephew of former President George W. Bush and son of one-time Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, has made a campaign filing in Texas that is required of candidates planning to run for state office, an official said Thursday night.
The younger Bush, a Fort Worth resident, filed a campaign treasurer appointment Wednesday, a requirement for someone to become a candidate under campaign finance law, Tim Sorrells, general counsel for the Texas Ethics Commission, told The Associated Press.
Sorrells said the report does not specify what office Bush might seek, if any, and he had no other details on the filing, which wasn't available online. Bush did not immediately reply to an email seeking comment, and no phone listing for him could be found.
The 36-year-old said in September his goal was to run for office and acknowledged that he had his eyes on several statewide offices.
Raised in Florida, Bush decided to settle in Texas, home to his uncle and his grandfather, former President George H.W. Bush. He runs a consulting firm and has been active in Republican Party outreach to college students. He's also the co-founder of Hispanic Republicans of Texas, a group that seeks to elect Hispanic candidates.
Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chairwoman for John McCain when he ran for president in 2008, tweeted her enthusiasm Thursday.
"Wrote check for my friend, (at)georgepbush newly formed exploratory committee for office in TX. Young, pragmatic, Hispanic, just what GOP needs," Navarro's tweet read.
George W. Bush and son of one-time Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, has made a campaign filing in Texas that is required of candidates planning to run for state office, an official said Thursday night.

The younger Bush, a Fort Worth resident, filed a campaign treasurer appointment Wednesday, a requirement for someone to become a candidate under campaign finance law, Tim Sorrells, general counsel for the Texas Ethics Commission, told The Associated Press.
Sorrells said the report does not specify what office Bush might seek, if any, and he had no other details on the filing, which wasn't available online. Bush did not immediately reply to an email seeking comment, and no phone listing for him could be found.
The 36-year-old said in September his goal was to run for office and acknowledged that he had his eyes on several statewide offices.
Raised in Florida, Bush decided to settle in Texas, home to his uncle and his grandfather, former President George H.W. Bush. He runs a consulting firm and has been active in Republican Party outreach to college students. He's also the co-founder of Hispanic Republicans of Texas, a group that seeks to elect Hispanic candidates.
Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chairwoman for John McCain when he ran for president in 2008, tweeted her enthusiasm Thursday.
"Wrote check for my friend, (at)georgepbush newly formed exploratory committee for office in TX. Young, pragmatic, Hispanic, just what GOP needs," Navarro's tweet read.

 

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:20 | Link to Comment knukles
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Fucking wonderful.
Anybody else notice the few, several ruling families abounding.

If I didn't know any better I'd guess they're all Bilderbergers, related through their common Annanuuki Reptoid heritage, nurtured by the UFO beings who're helping the military with the genetic mofifications at Dulce and other huge military underground bases where the planes dropping the Chemtrails (which are really pigeon innards and rat penises) which when excited by the HAARP beams make the 3D holographic illusions of the imaginary character Ron Paul who gets reported as real by both Drudge and HuffPo

In case anybody has any questions.

Wilbur Mills 2016

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 04:57 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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Don't forget to pass the bong...

You'll be okay

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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We need to dredge through the darkest valleys of the Ozarks and see if we can find some severely inbred cousins of Bill Clinton to put up against the Bush boys.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Elections have consequences bitches,

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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That's why a cryto-currency, like bitcoin, makes a good intermediate form of exchange. Plus, you should be using PGP encrytion and anonymous email.

 

http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html

 

http://tormail.org/

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Fiat currency makes a good enough MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE. As long as nobody saves in fiat, then there will be no purchasing power nto steal via inflation.

GOLD for saving

FIAT for spending

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:02 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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+ $55,000

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Get it while it's cheap.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:45 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Montana should see the bargain it's being offered because it would only cost them $5 to dig that gold out of the ground...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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What was the name of that retard that kept posting "$5 to dig it out..." ?  Its been so long I forgets

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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That was either Johnny Bravo or (I think it was the same guy under a second name) Math Man.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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Aaahhhh............the good old days

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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Yes, it was math man stating the $5 dig out. Johny Bravo was the super wallstreet trader working his way through college claiming he was paying his tuition by trading.  ol times eh....

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 08:31 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Fiat can be traced over these here interwebz because you have to go through an intermediary, like a bank. Paypal now sends out 1099s. But, some people feel it is their civic duty to pay taxes.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:46 | Link to Comment knukles
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Ya'll should run around nude to attract attention to yourself, too

You're not important enough to worry the gubamint if you're posting here.  Wake the fuck up.

Paranoia can be debilitating

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 08:25 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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What makes you think I'm not using Tor to post here? What makes you think I'm even doing anything wrong?

 

You don't get it, do you? Everybody should be using encryption. It makes it more difficult for the government to keep track.

 

I think you are the one that needs to wake the fuck up. Maybe you will when they really start censoring the internet, and wish that you had learned basic encryption.

 

Complacency can be debilitating.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Does your owner know you're posting stuff here too?

I love the freedom of roaming around the web and creating all kinds of crazy personalities on a bunch of sites.

You'd think the dumb bitch would turn me off when she goes to bed. But nooooo.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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Hanz and Franz destroy bitcoin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FaQNPCqG58

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:47 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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They probably already have the GPS specs for the Drone Strike. 

"Wow, Jim, did u see that? Bill's house just....vaporized!"

"I'll bet he was a fuckin' hoarder! Let's hurry to the mosk; O-Phone I is going to speak!"

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:10 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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"It's not the spiraling debt, it's all these crazy gold bugs undermining the value of the dollar"

I'll actually buy that. What they fail to understand is, if the dollar had any real value, "goldbugs" couldn't undermine it. But they really don't have to worry. They have Gresham's Law on their side......right?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:04 | Link to Comment HungryPorkChop
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China probably bought more gold in the last month than all of these gold bugs combined have purchased in the past five years.  Now please keep watching the cards in my left hand.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment AgShaman
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As a holder of precious metals....

You already meet the criteria for a DT

#10 on the list....though I don't know how credible the info. It's the calendar event.

According to this list....you all have been "their definition" for a year now

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/10-ridiculous-things-that-make-you.html

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment northerngirl
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I use the response from the left as a, "Truth - O- Meter", the louder the out cry the closer to the truth of the matter.  I only wish more American's would understand the simplicity of gold vs. fiat.   

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment SaveTheBales
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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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That is probably the exact excuse O-Phone I (praise Allah) will use.

 

In a way, I'm kinda happy all of my PMs were stolen last night.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Neo1
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The Income Tax succinctly described is an irrecusable obligation.

However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." This is distinguished from a recusable obligation which, according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply.


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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment tooriskytoinvest
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NICK BARISHEFF & JIM RICKARDS & JIM WILLIE: GOLD TO DOUBLE, FED WON’T STOP PRINTING, DOLLAR TO END IN HYPERINFLATION AND COMPLETE COLLAPSE. A GLOBAL GOLD WAR IS IMMINENT AND INEVITABLE

http://investmentwatchblog.com/nick-barisheff-jim-rickards-jim-willie-gold-to-double-fed-wont-stop-printing-dollar-to-end-in-hyperinflation-and-complete-collapse-a-global-gold-war-is-imminent-and-inevitable/

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:05 | Link to Comment JustPrintMoreDuh
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Dispatch a drone to deal with this extremist!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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This is old news.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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perhaps... but a message of substance resurrected in a timely fashion can enhance a prophets assiduous discourse 'to-right-a-wrong'!   

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment RagnarDanneskjold
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I will accept payment in dollars, euros, yen, francs, etc. so long as there's a market to convert currency. You can have dollars direct deposited into a gold account, for example.

I want to spend fiat. I have to convert one way or the other. 

I can see the case for asking to be paid in gold, for example 2 ounces per month. However, unless you work for a gold mine, (and assuming your employer agreed) they will pay you in fiat and adjust the payment based on the gold price at that time.

Instead of asking to be paid in gold, he ought to work on abolishing taxes on gold transactions.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Antifaschistische
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Ragnard, this is where we lose. By the time we convert, we've lost. What would work is fixing your comp for the next 5 years in gold. Then when your buddies are taking their checks to buy 10 grams of gold, you'll be getting paid in 1 oz coins.

Of course, you can (and should be) doing this already in your portfolio with futures or some other financial instrument.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Aziz
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All you have to do is fuck, and 9 months later you're getting the big bucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:05 | Link to Comment ACP
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Good satirical video - you can see an interview of her on the channel. She seemed very reluctant to say anything negative about welfare recipients outright, but stated, "Who would want to work in America? This is what the taxpayers are paying for."

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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This is more a political statement than a need. He can take his fiat money and walk down to his local coin shop and get the gold, but this way he draws attention to the issue. Regardless, I say good for him.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment TN Jed
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Whether he knows it or not, it's actually bigger than that.  "Income tax" is really a usage fee of private credit which we know as Federal Reserve Notes.  You are opted in and volunteered to pay tax when you accept FRNs not because you earned a certain amount but because you used them.  This is how it can be Constitutional because you volunteered to use private credit.  If you never accept private credit then you don't owe their private fees.  Being paid in gold or silver, minted by the US Mint and being PUBLIC CREDIT, would exempt you from paying Fed Res PRIVATE CREDIT fees. So, good luck with that.

"Legal tender for all debts public or private" takes on a new meaning when you understand US Mint coins and US dollars are public credit and FRN are private credit. 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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You are correct. Nothing is said about the pork barrel spending each of these Congress people utilize. In other words, the actions of utilizing and encouraging pork spending creates a dependency of States on the Federal Government.

 

As for TN Jed, nothing is exempt from Federal Reserve fees and taxation except those transactions that are kept strictly private and unknown to the FRB. For example, even if this Congressman was paid in gold, he would then have to convert it back to dollars for daily use of common goods such as food, bills, etc. Until you can conduct your daily life without having to convert to dollars, you will always be subjected to the FRB whether public or private. Yes, even public because FRN has either an inflationary or deflationary effect on currency which includes minted coins that are used public.

I had the rare opportunity to do a transaction without such fees. I had a local auto shop (friend of mine) do my front brakes and oil change in exchange for me making him a bait container for catfishing. But even in this example, we were still effected as I utilized US dollars to acquire the supplies to make the bait container and my friend had to utilize dollars for the oil and brake pads.

 

Things aren't always so clear and easy. The Federal Reserve has its tentacles so deep that even in a barter situation, they are there.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:11 | Link to Comment TN Jed
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You are correct that use of private credit may be inevitable anyway.  However, you should be able to direct your bank to open your account such that all monies deposited are credited as "non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes" or public credit.  This makes the FR remove that amount from the Federal debt and credit it to the Public debt ledger.  It would actually lower the Federal debt level.  I think we both agree they don't want this to happen as contraction is death for them.

I'm not pretending this is a viable out, but it is/was the only way income tax can be Constitutional and yet a voluntary self-assessment at the same time. 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Why the fuck are we supposed to legislate what is already in the fucking Constitution?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:54 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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what constitution?

the one the supreme's agree is outdated... as in the magna carta long live'd past its usefulness...

i'm assumming our 'nwo' neo-zeitgeist movement have had a 'post-jekyll[and hyde?]-island' manuscript ready to dust off as i pen this sad epitaph of our framers worst nightmare?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 08:03 | Link to Comment negative rates
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We are, it's called a constitutional convention, and I shall give you notice as to exactly when it will occur. You will have 3 days to prepair and arrive in the capital once informed. And, oh yea, this message will destruct in 5 minutes.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:59 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Why are the criminals allowed to legislate?  Why don't the Marines arrest them all?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment bullionbaron
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Would be even nicer to get paid in Gold/Silver at face value and pay tax to this effect as well...

 

http://www.bullionbaron.com/

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment hairball48
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I met Jerry at a political gathering in Kalispell before the election. He won't remember me. I live in a different district. I saw the newspaper article a while back when his request was made public. Made me smile :)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:39 | Link to Comment jtlien
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When I was younger I used to go to the library and pull down books on the Constituion just so I could read the incredible twists and turns the authors would take when they got to the part about explaining Article 1 Section 10.   It was a tribute the sophistry of the lawyer/politician class.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Tedster
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Well he's not exactly cleaning up on his $1800 a month slary doing the People's work at the Statehouse. Maybe he gcets mileage and per diem.

Heck, I bet this guy has to - get this - have a real job outside his legislative duties, as God intended. The problem with schemes like this, they are likely to say OK, pal here ya go. And then turn right around and demand gold in return for his property tax payments, business license, speeding tickets, etc. In fact, in the dim vestiges of my history reading, it seems to me the Fed used to demand payment "in specie" as it was then known, for land in particular, during the Homestead Act days, when Greenbacks were pretty "popular" going the other way. Jefferson had the tables turned on his notes payable, and helped him die broke, too..

Uh-oh... Quick! How much is $17 Trillion in gold anyway?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:44 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Full faith with zero encumbrances...bitchez.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:47 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Payment in gold and silver?

Why next he'll be expecting them to honor his right to property and habeus corpus!

Dangerous subversive who obviously needs to attend the "sexual harrasment/are you a terrorist?" workshop!

(/sarc)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment hairball48
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Hehehehe...we're(the non sheeples) all buying gold and silver out here.

I remember when I was vacationing out here in Montana with my family. I was a kid of 9 in 1957. I was fascinated that US Silver Dollars were still  quite common in circulation. I collected coins as a kid like many of my age did. We rarely ever saw a silver dollar in a cash register "back east" where I lived at the time.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Hulk
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No counter party risk Bitchez !!! (unless you be foolish enough to own the ETF, or not have it in hand)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Tedster
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Montana banks were still paying out silver dollars at face long after the arbs were falling all over themselves back east to get them for a quick flip to the collectors, the supply dried up, and silver certs were redeemed in silver shot. They have a long and storied history with mining, and are a tough people. Or were, like many places the locals get extirpated out of their habitat, so to speak. Ask the Indians. Hm.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:08 | Link to Comment hairball48
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The "tough people" aren't all gone yet. I'm a recent Montana resident--10 years.

It's fascinating to listen to old timers who are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Montanans....especially those who grew up on farms and ranches on the East side of MT where the winters are just incredibly harsh. Or mining areas like Butte. Butte has not only harsh winters at ~6000ft but the people are of that old tough mining stock. A fellow I know who played HS football said going to Butte to play in the winter was like going to war in Siberia LOL. Lots of tough folks still around. I admire them. Darwinism took care of most of the candy-ass pussies out here. However...

Montana has been invaded by too many candy-asses from other places, notably Kalifornia. They might be welcome if they would leave all their socialist laws, rules, and regulations wherever they came from....but they don't. So fuck em.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:18 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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those Californians fleeing the San Andreas unaware of the great Jellystone Caldera

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:52 | Link to Comment ACP
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Well, when the "Great Winter" finally sets in, a Batman quote comes to mind:

"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:31 | Link to Comment knukles
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Talkin' about Montana and land owners, (some would say pinko) Ted Turner and his ex (some would say VC sympathizer) Jane Fonda own most of the state after the Feds.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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If you want to experience an Arctic-type winter, travel no farther than the Hi-Line.  Cut Bank to Plentywood.  -60F causes the snot to freeze in your nose in seconds.

Four women are driving across the country together, each one from a different state: Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, and California.  Shortly after the trip begins, the woman from Idaho pulls potatoes from her bag and throws them out the window.  "What are you doing?" asks the Nebraskan.  "We have so many of these things in Idaho, I'm sick of looking at them."  A moment later, the gal from Nebraska pulls ears of corn from her bag and tosses them from the window.  "What are you doing?" asks the gal from Montana.  "We have so many of these things in Nebraska, I'm sick of looking at them."  Inspired, the Montana opens the door and kicks the Californian out. 

Have a good one.

 

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment hairball48
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ROFLAMO!!!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:49 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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He probably doesn't know that,  "you can't eat Gold."

 

 

 

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:51 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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So he gets roughly one, 1 oz. gold coin per month.

Not a bad deal.

If it were me I'd want it presented in a little velvet sack on payday.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment knukles
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In a hairy bull scrotum like a real man.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:53 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Keiser Report 371 has a guest on that says silver is about to triple with the Chinese population coming into the market. I agree. The banksters can only manipulate the market for so long and once they lose control via paper manipulation up up and away for Gold and Silver. JP Morgan and Blythe Masters about to run into trouble with their naked shorts.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment The Duke of New...
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Pay him in German Tungsten from the vaults of the New York FED.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:27 | Link to Comment q99x2
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In 14th century England gold was thought to be a stimulant.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:27 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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I get stimulated when I see a stack of it.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:32 | Link to Comment praxis
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Montana legislative attorney Jaret Coles responded to O’Neil’s letter last week, informing him that neither the U.S. Constitution nor Montana state law requires an agency to pay its debts with gold and silver, according to the Flathead Beacon.

 

I like how he quotes the part of the Constitution where it states all debts will be paid in gold and silver and then this attorney makes a statement that completely contradicts it.  I guess since she said so that must make it so.

By the way you should check out Ben Bernanke's face book page and friend him.  He's been very frank about his feelings towards the economy and the Austrian School of economics http://www.facebook.com/DeepThoughtsByBenBernanke

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:44 | Link to Comment knukles
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+QEinfinity

Now that is seriously fucking funny

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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Gold? What an idiots. He should demand Bitcoins.

Bitcoin bitchez

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment unununium
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Foolish junkers.

They must have missed ZH's coverage of bitcoin now on the radar of central banks.  And Wordpress is now the first major merchant to embrace the open source currency as the first way to pay electronically without trusting any third party, including any bank or government (although Wordpress has chosen to use third party Bitpay, it did not have to do this).

Very foolish junkers.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:07 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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It'd be great to see some ZH turnout concerning this issue and that of state secession/rights on the Billings Gazette website.  People in this part of the country are fearful of being labeled a 'radical' (in light of semi-recent militia headliners) and, being from a rural area, are also easily entranced by the MSM.  Bad combination.  We are a pretty logical bunch though, and if there were a helping hand concerning the values we deep down know is true but are led astray from the 'majority', it would be at the least a positive effect.

 

Call to arms. Bitchez

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:38 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Amazing that "permission" is needed to do what the Constitution already requires.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:42 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Austria wants it's gold back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSXbgfKFWg

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:45 | Link to Comment geotrader
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No one is stopping him from buying gold and/or silver coins with his fiat.  

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:31 | Link to Comment bilejones
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You are missing the point.

 

He wants to be paid in pre 1967 legal tender.  His salary would increase by a factor of what, 100?

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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 04:41 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Gold will remain dramatically undervalued in fiat OR gold will be banned.

Only war/genocide can force the correction of the unsustainable imbalances in the world economy.

In retrospect, manipulating gold will have been as useful as the pilot of a hopelessly disabled plane smashing the altimeter to prevent crashing into the ground.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:27 | Link to Comment lostcause
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 Go watch one episode of GOLD RUSH and see how hard it is to get just 1 ounce of Gold out of the ground and you will see why all fiat curriencies are doomed to fail.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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indeed, on the show a couple days ago they finished the season with $8k worth of gold each after cost of operations.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Translator
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I wonder if he was stupid enough to vote for Obama by casting his vote for Ron Paul?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment strayaway
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I wonder why Romney was stupid enough to allow his thugs to unnecessarily strip duly elected Maine delegates of their credentials at the Republican National Convention and otherwise run the Convention like banana reprublic dictators. Surprise, surprise, disgruntled grass roots Republicans left it up to billionaires to float Romney and the ground game was lost. 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Life and politics are not binary, only the thought processes of stupid people like yourself.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 07:44 | Link to Comment cooperbry
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Principled people vote FOR what they want.  The Republicans alienated everyone this election and expected the "lesser of two evils" strategy to work.  Surprise, surprise; alienating voters loses votes stupid!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment moneybots
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Six terms and he waits until now to want his salary paid in gold?

 

How long ago was it that Dick Cheney said that REAGAN PROVED THAT DEFICITS DON'T MATTER?

I am not particularly impressed with the political stunt of the Montana legislator.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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What the hell does Dick Cheney have to do with this issue?  Nothing at all, unless you are an idiot with some weird obsession ( which is cearly the case here).

I am not particularly impressed with your intellect.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment dojufitz
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Pay me in Gold so i can buy Fiat.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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