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Russia Sends Warships To Gaza Coast

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For the entire 8 day duration of Operation Pillar of Defense, there was one major geopolitical player who had been largely quiet and certainly absent from the scene: the same player whose unflinching position over the Syria conflict has so far prevented any intervention in the civil war torn country: Russia. The same Russia which has a military base in the Syrian port city of Tarsus, and thus in its own eyes, a very substantial "national interest" role to play in the middle east, one that is certainly opposing that of the US and the pro-NATO forces, a tension that will surely boil to the surface now that war between Iran and Israel is always at most "hours away" depending on who is asked, and which one day will be more than just a war of words. Today, Russia decided that it had kept quiet for too long over the Gaza conflict, with Voice of Russia reporting, courtesy of Al Arabiya, that Russian warships anchored off the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea will be put on military alertness should the conflict in Gaza escalate and brought in proximity, according Russian Navy Command source on Friday.

Sure enough, there is a diplomatic reason for the escalation: evacuation preparedness. To wit: "The detachment of combat ships of the Black Sea Fleet, including the Guards missile cruiser Moskva, the patrol ship Smetliviy, large landing ships Novocherkassk and Saratov, the sea tug MB-304 and the big sea tanker Ivan Bubnov, got the order to remain in the designated area of the Eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea for a possible evacuation of Russian citizens from the area of the Gaza strip in case of escalation of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict”, the spokesperson said. He added that ship crew members will continue routine combat training, maintenance of equipment and weapons along with other military services.

A missile cruiser, which just happens to be the flag ship of the Russian Black Sea naval fleet, and whose purpose is "to destroy hostile surface ships" in order to aid evacuation? Odd...

Naturally, only very naive people would buy this "explanation", which does nothing to mitigate the factor that Russia, too, is now implicitly involved in the Gaza conflict. How soon until China sends a few of its own warships to the region. Just in case China nationals needs evaluation too.

And if indeed evacuation is the catalyst, it may happen soon, because the tenuous cease fire between the two nations may not last long following another reflaring of hostilities between Israel and Gaza:

Hundreds of Palestinians approached the border fence Friday in several locations in southern Gaza, testing expectations Israel would no longer enforce a 300-meter-wide (300-yard-wide) no-go zone on the Palestinian side of the fence that was meant to prevent infiltrations into Israel. In the past, Israeli soldiers routinely opened fire on those who crossed into the zone.


In one incident captured by Associated Press video, several dozen Palestinians, most of them young men, approached the fence, coming close to a group of Israeli soldiers standing on the other side.


Some Palestinians briefly talked to the soldiers, while others appeared to be taunting them with chants of “God is Great” and “Mursi, Mursi,” in praise of Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi, whose mediation led to the truce.


At one point, a soldier shouted in Hebrew, “Go there, before I shoot you,” and pointed away from the fence, toward Gaza. The soldier then dropped to one knee, assuming a firing position. Eventually, a burst of automatic fire was heard, but it was not clear whether any of the casualties were from this incident.


Gaza health official Ashraf al-Kidra said a 20-year-old man was killed and 19 people were wounded by Israeli fire near the border.


Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. observer, said Israeli forces fatally shot Anwar Abdulhadi Qudaih in the head and injured at least 19 other Palestinian civilians in a border area east of Khan Younis.


During the incidents, Hamas security tried to defuse the situation and keep the crowds away from the fence.


Moussa Abu Marzouk, a top Hamas official at the ongoing negotiations in Cairo, told The Associated Press that the violence would have no effect on the ceasefire.


The crowds were mainly made up of young men but also included farmers hoping to once again farm lands in the buffer zone. Speaking by phone from the buffer zone, 19-year-old Ali Abu Taimah said he and his father were checking three acres of family land that have been fallow for several years.


“When we go to our land, we are telling the occupation (Israel) that we are not afraid at all,” he said.


Israel’s military said roughly 300 Palestinians approached the security fence at different points, tried to damage it and cross into Israel. Soldiers fired warning shots in the air, but after the Palestinians refused to move back, troops fired at their legs, the military said. A Palestinian infiltrated into Israel during the unrest, but was returned to Gaza, it said.

As we previously showed the Brent market priced in a ceasefire for about 10 minutes last week, before sending Brent to its weekly high, on the realization that the peace between Israel and Gaza is merely lip service until at least one more foreign political entity figures out some way to benefit from a re-escalation of hostilities. Only this time the Russians will be there too.


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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:00 | 3008571 uno
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No problem O is on it after going to the choom wagon.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:04 | 3008578 Bad Attitude
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And, after playing another round or two of golf.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:08 | 3008583 ebworthen
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In Kauai with his royal retinue of 200 or so for a week or two.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:53 | 3008659 john39
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RT reported yesterday that Obama promised Netanyahu that the U.S. would send troops to the  sinai in exchange for israel signing off on the truce in Gaza...  set up for WWIII well under way.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:10 | 3008754 Kitler
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They should send ashore some medical supplies for the wounded Palestinians. I am looking forward to see the brave Israeli commandos attempt to board this ship.

Hey Bibi... watcha gonna do buddy? (He's got no balls when he faces an armed adversary.)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:27 | 3008882 Troll Magnet
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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:08 | 3009031 dinastar2
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Oy Vey poor jerk, you suffer from" israelitis " this skin itching, plus "twisted bowels each time you read israel, zionists, jews, etc..poor little creature : Let me help you with a new remedy named " palestinum " , her is the prescription: you fill your asshole with cordite-dynamites tablets, you connect them to electric ropes, then to a 12 v battery , and do not forget to cut a place in the mddle of the ropes for the switch: Then you stroll around your neighborhood and try to find a synagogue or a deli store or anything that looks jewish , then KABOOM : you are in heaven and 72 virgins surround you with their damp lips.So do not hesitate , next time ,run to the appliances store ask for the " palestinum " complete set and put your asshole' ideas exactly where is your mouth.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:03 | 3009295 Pinto Currency
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Dr. Norman Finkelstein lucidly speaks about the Palestinian plight and the use of the old "anti-Semite" distraction when people object to the attack on civilians in Gaza. 

This man has a withering intellect, moral position, and a very strong back when confronted by weeping distractions from the issue of the subjugation of the Palestinians.


Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:51 | 3009451 RichardP
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Does Dr. Finkelstein also use his withering intellect to condemn the placing of weapons of war into  the middle of people places?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 07:28 | 3009533 TwoShortPlanks
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If you believe that Central Banks - be that CB's, Banks, the puppert Governments which take orders from Banks, and Wall Street - control the majority of the game play, then you must also believe that WWIII will never happen. My reasoning is simple; who's gonna pay for all that mortgage and credit card debt if so many people go to war on less than minimum wages? The Banks would fold in less than a year.

WWIII could only occur after a systemic monetary, financial and economic collapse...where war becomes the new debt slavery.

It seems to me that all that is really happening these days is the moping-up of the countries without approved CB's.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:11 | 3009573 old naughty
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So latest update: Russia cruiser in Gaza, Chinese aircraft landing successfully on small flattop...who else? Eeveryone is prep-ing.


Who has the script?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:50 | 3009601 Pinto Currency
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Israel's Shin Bet intelligence (that's questionable) agency creates Hamas and then Israel determines that it needs to attack Palestinian areas to root out Hamas.

If you want to crush a people with superior military force, you should radicalize them first as a pretext for their destruction.  That's just good p.r.


Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:19 | 3009621 Hey Assholes
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Hey, that is the US game plan with that guy AlQueada.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:16 | 3010231 saturn
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Finally the mighty Russians showing a gesture at least.. But i think they are last to join the party there.. LOL

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:22 | 3009318 jeff montanye
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i'm ok with jews but israel and zionism still twists my bowels and makes my skin itch.  i guess general marshall was right:

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:13 | 3010521 WhiteNight123129
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Well I think the State of Israel, which is being supported by ~country club jewish~ people which have little to do with religious people practicing a really beautiful judaism of compassion. Those politicians-ideologue-terrorists including Ben Gourion have little real interest in religious study, they just want to push a political agenda. There are some incredibly good jewish orthodox people who say that the State can not be jewish, it can be anything but a state has no busines with religious affairs. There are also some incredibly good men (rabbis) from the jewsih orthodox faith who call for the peaceful dismantlement of the ~State of Israel~ so that jewish people and muslim people of palestine can live under a single state which is non-religious. This state would be instead built on the respect of the three religions practiced by the inhabitants. Mixing up state and religion has been tried before, and it is always a disaster. It is not about jewish or not. Judaism like the one practiced of those jewish orthodox condemning the ~Gaza conditions~ is absolutely beautiful. The jewish orthodox are condemning the usurpation of the star of David and the Israel by the professional politicians neo-cons mixinng up the jewish faith with a political country club.

It is a terrible mistake to put the zionists in the same bag as those good people of the jewish orthodox fait. Netanyau is a murderer but please do not put those zionists in the same bag. Weiss says that zionism is a relatively recent movement which is a ~transformation from a religion into a materialistic and nationalistic movement~.  There is no war between Palestinians and hte Jews. There is a war between the zionists and palestinian militants.  And stop casting stereotypes against arabs muslim or people following judaism. The generic statement that all muslims are terrorists and all jews are zionists is dangerous and misleading.

Here the Rabbi Weiss about the topic.



Mon, 11/26/2012 - 00:24 | 3010697 Jabotinsky_USA
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Palesinum - Nice!  Great reciepe; I'll use it on some of the Paulustinian Jew-hating supporters.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:22 | 3009053 Boondocker
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grow up!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:16 | 3008870 yogibear
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Guess Obama fordot about those big and bad nukes Russia has sitting around.

Russia did have that 50 megaton monster. 

Russia has 4,650 active nuclear warheads, while the U.S. has 2,468.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:28 | 3008889 Troll Magnet
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yeah but the jew bankers have unlimited

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:27 | 3009580 Dugald
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Peshwaw, just wait till the Brits send a gun boat..................

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:55 | 3009716 post turtle saver
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Your count is wrong. Try again.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:49 | 3008737 Silver Bug
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Wow that can't be good.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:56 | 3009101 Perpetual Burn
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Russia peace keeper now? LOL

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:08 | 3009307 Ima anal sphincter
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It would be nice if SOMEBODY throttled the US and Israhole. If China joined in, it would be even better. A big middle finger held way up in the air.

Would the insane asylum in Washington or fucking Nutty-Yahoo actually have the balls to take this further??????

Nothing short of the US completely out of the Middle East and Israel "gone" will work for me.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:37 | 3009372 Lore
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"Would the insane asylum in Washington or fucking Nutty-Yahoo actually have the balls to take this further?"


We are dangerously close to scenario where evil people see opportunity to exploit human suffering.  PRAY FOR GOD TO BRING CONSCIENCE INTO THE PICTURE.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:23 | 3009439 Ima anal sphincter
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I'd give you a thumbs up, but you have quotes to start your post. It locks out voting.

So here's a +1000

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:57 | 3010018 MilleniumJane
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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:00 | 3008572 ghengis86
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All your goyim are belong to us!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:10 | 3008760 economics9698
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Yids know their power dies when their paper dies.  If the US military is smart they will let China and Russia have Israel and come home.  Let the Jews fight their own battles.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:00 | 3008573 Skateboarder
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And so it begins, the great shitstorm of our time.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:05 | 3008579 kliguy38
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Nahhhh.....not yet.....this is only foreplay. Ya gotta drink several rounds of vodka first. Then ya got a have a "I'll show you mine and then you show me yours"......then the fun will start as the pols proclaim their nationalistic weener size. Finally of course someone will blink.......then .....the shitstorm will start.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:51 | 3008653 DosZap
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. Finally of course someone will blink.......then .....the shitstorm will start.

Putin makes Obama look like a child.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:48 | 3008732 Dawnofinsanity
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It's okay I have complete confidence that our Secretary of State will make the right decisions for humanity with her strong liberal views... Unless of course she's just another puppet... Oh shat!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:44 | 3009375 Lore
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I don't know what to make of Hitlery. A couple of sources have suggested that she might soon get 'resigned.' She said already that she won't run again. Reports would have us believe that she intends to run for the U.S. presidency in 2016. Yes, seriously.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:06 | 3009431 Jreb
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Hilary for president. Fuck that shit - i'm moving to Mars...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:57 | 3009605 Hedgerow-
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Still few years to go before the first departure.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:33 | 3010083 Cathartes Aura
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Hillary "running" for prezzydent makes sense - amrka will have had 8 years of growing hatred for the BLACK figurehead, so to switch to the WOMAN would cause many many heads to explode with rage - working as intended.

meanwhile, the other team will most likely go full on Fascist with the RIGHTEOUS FATHER meme, to draw in those who fear anything but GAWD's proxy in the comfy figurehead chair.

it's all a cartoon from here on out - deadly, but certainly obvious.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:57 | 3008744 AllWorkedUp
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"Putin makes Obama look like a child."


That's for damn sure


Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:10 | 3008762 economics9698
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The EBT president.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:20 | 3009048's picture

Obama helps needy bankers, too. Credit where it's due.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:30 | 3009328 jeff montanye
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not all needy bankers, just those with sufficient pull.  he is a great believer in a government of men not laws: that way he gets the maximum power to suck favors and allegiance back and leaves the maximum potential for harm even to his benighted believers when someone else (red team) takes control with the same powers.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 03:38 | 3009463 Parrotile
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Obama's history is that of a Chicago "Community Organiser"

Putin's history is Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti, who ain't that far removed from Comrade Beria's pretty infamous Narodnyy Komissariat Vnutrennikh Del which was THE "Controlling Authority" in the "old" Soviet Union.

Think about it . . . . .


Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:23 | 3009627 unrulian
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i'm no Ob fan but 53 up arrows? compare Him with putin shirtless riding a steed or flying with geese...putins a narcisitic piece of shit your comparing a whipping boy and a crazy narcisist.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:36 | 3010089 Cathartes Aura
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one's white, shirtless, does manly things, and is often pictured with a big gun. . .

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:43 | 3008642 Jason T
Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:02 | 3008575 Segestan
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Yes.. Putin and his Jewish band of thieves is going to stop those Jews.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:17 | 3008597 bankerbackbacon
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Haha yes, cause there were no Zionists in the Red Russia.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:51 | 3008656 THX 1178
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Putin knows the score-- he knows the way the world works. He's no Zionist. Look at him hoarding gold; it isn't hidden-- he understands the central banking ponzi. I'm sure he has surrounded himself with like-minded people.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:49 | 3009191 Anusocracy
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A couple years ago in a speech, Putin asked why the US was going to where Russia was coming from.

Americans dumb.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:43 | 3009379 caconhma
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Putin and his gang were/are robbing their own people and looting their country and building palaces. The Russia’s economy is controlled from Washington and Putin has a very powerful neighbor: China. This neighbor may invade Russia at will at any moment.

Putin is a Saddam #2. Like Saddam before him, Putin has nobody to protect him and nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. Putin knows that his generals, like Saddam's generals, will not fight for him. His generals stashed their own money and their families outside off Russia. Russia is in a 10th-inning with its power elite and oligarchy are about to fight each other openly.

The present world is a very unstable place with both the USA and EU are in a deep economic & political crisis. The present world is just about to explode in a worldwide violence. Putin, Obama, Merkel, Cameron, Hollande, etc are clueless and incompetent. There is nobody today to manage the today world affair. China is also neither ready nor willing to do it. The world is about to go into an anarchy.



Sun, 11/25/2012 - 00:48 | 3009382 Lore
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"Putin is a Saddam #2..."

Strange attempt at humour...?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 09:37 | 3009588 Dugald
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In that case can we have our guns back.....Hey Little Jonny up with the situation?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 02:07 | 3009434 Jreb
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True - but make no mistake. Putin is still a gangster and so are his friends. Just different shades of corruption...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:52 | 3008657 john39
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Putin has spent the last decade going after several of the top zionists in Russia.  He has a lot of work to do however.  Russia was infested with zionists worse than U.S. following the zionist controlled Russian communist revolution....  time to clean house Putin, a pity the U.S. doesn't have anyone with the brains and guts Putin has.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:02 | 3008750 dark pools of soros
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Bowling for Bolsheviks

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:12 | 3008766 economics9698
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Kill the bastards.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:34 | 3008898 Segestan
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I'd say his propaganda minister and Jewish billionaire friends have you're number.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:35 | 3009410 caconhma
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Unfortunately, you know very little about Putin and Russia.

·         Putin's PM Medvedev (real name Mendel) is a Jew.

·         Russian Central Bank is in no position to print Rubbles without the FED permission.

·         Putin got rid of few high-power Jewish oligarchs because they tried to removed him

·         Now, Putin is fighting for his own life since America and EU tried to prevent him from returning back to power. Putin has made his career as a KGB assassin. Now, he is afraid for his own life. He is even afraid to leave Russia for any foreign visit. Russia's military-industrial complex hates Putin but Jewish bankers still like him.

·         He is a Mafia chief who has problems controlling his own gang. Lately, he has too much challenge to his own power. Just a week ago, his own defense minister was removed and a new “tough guy” was put as a new defense minister. This new “tough guy” is not a close Putin associate.  By the way, the first foreign trip of the new Russian defense minister was to China!


Sun, 11/25/2012 - 01:59 | 3009427 caconhma
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[The authenticity of this document is not known]


Seventy hours ago, while on Air Force One, President Barak Obama issued a press release that has been utterly ignored by the Western Press.

The president has openly announced a move against violent plotters inside the US government and espionage agents. He does not use the terms “AIPAC” or “the Israel lobby” but it is highly unlikely he could be referring to anything else. 

In fact, we can think of no other group. 

I was privately briefed on some of the reasons behind this document. On what is known, not “surmised,” I will explain: 

There is, currently, within the US military, the Executive branch of government and among extremist “power brokers” in America an active plot to “alter” America’s form of government through “decapitation.” 

Let me be clear. Where the memo, printed in full below, refers to “violent”, it means “assassination” of many top leaders in America including but not limited to the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense and others. 

The plot makes use of the resources of major private defense contractors and their intelligence and special operations personnel. There has been active recruiting that has been noted and is why the memo was released and why many members of the military have been subjected to investigation.

The Benghazi attack was planned and financed by this group.

Many writers in the alternative media have noted much of what is going on but not all. Some have shown access to very knowledgeable sources. 

Behind the plotters are drug cartels that have penetrated the US government, former lobbyists who were moved into government during the Bush (43) administration and now are suspected of being involved in a coup attempt. 

There is no direct evidence tying any foreign government to this plot though most are “fanatically” aligned with the militant Likudists in Israel under Netanyahu’s regime. 

The President’s text below, unedited: 
The White House 
Office of the Press Secretary 
For Immediate Release 
November 21, 2012 

Presidential Memorandum -- National Insider Threat Policy and Minimum Standards for Executive Branch Insider Threat Programs 

Memorandum for the heads of executive departments and agencies 

Subject: National Insider Threat Policy and Minimum Standards for Executive Branch Insider Threat Programs 

This Presidential Memorandum transmits the National Insider Threat Policy and Minimum Standards for Executive Branch Insider Threat Programs (Minimum Standards) to provide direction and guidance to promote the development of effective insider threat programs within departments and agencies to deter, detect, and mitigate actions by employees who may represent a threat to national security. These threats encompass potential espionage, violent acts against the Government or the Nation, and unauthorized disclosure of classified information, including the vast amounts of classified data available on interconnected United States Government computer networks and systems. 

The Minimum Standards provide departments and agencies with the minimum elements necessary to establish effective insider threat programs. These elements include the capability to gather, integrate, and centrally analyze and respond to key threat-related information; monitor employee use of classified networks; provide the workforce with insider threat awareness training; and protect the civil liberties and privacy of all personnel. 

The resulting insider threat capabilities will strengthen the protection of classified information across the executive branch and reinforce our defenses against both adversaries and insiders who misuse their access and endanger our national security. 

Barack Obama 

A very real threat to world stability 

To some, at a glance, this might actually sound like a response to leaks within the CIA and White House except for some extraordinary language. Please make very special note of the following: 

“…to deter, detect and mitigate actions by employees who may present a threat to national security…These threats include…violent acts against the Government and the Nation…” 

Please note that they refer to “violent acts” and speak of both the “government” and “nation.” 

By “government,” they are indicting, with no “wiggle room,” assassination plots. 

By “nation,” they may well be referring to false flag terrorism that may well include use of weapons of mass destruction. 
Britain was subject to such a threat during the London Olympics, one that would never have been successfully overcome without the help of journalists who put themselves at great risk. 


The US government has had a twelve-year moratorium against arrest and prosecution of spies within our government and military other than those who can be tied to China.

The most famous Chinese “spy” was Wen Lee Ho, a nuclear scientist at Los Alamos Labs. He was arrested in 1999, held in solitary confinement for a year and then released. 

In order to get an accurate picture I phoned two friends, one a senior FBI counter-intelligence operative and the other a very senior US Army intelligence officer. 

The question I put before them, while eating breakfast, was: 
“Please list the nations that represent the greatest threat of espionage against the United States and, which nations, in order, are believed to represent the “penetration threat” that President Obama is referring to.” 

From the FBI, their appraisal not intended for the “pop culture” media: 
“Our greatest direct threat is Israel and the Israel lobby. They have systematically penetrated every aspect of government and the military and, if they cannot get documents from those branches, friends in congress will give them access to anything that branch has available. 
After that is India, with every research facility at risk from RAW (Indian Intelligence) penetration and then Cuba, Mexico and Turkey. 

The primary end users of this intelligence, the “clients,” are Russia and China.” 

From the US Army: 

“I agree with Israel and the rest but we have not had Turkey on our radar. The obvious end users are, of course, Russia and China based on capability. 

The issue I have is how a presidential press release, an extraordinary and almost “draconian” document has gone without an uproar from congress and wide press coverage. Who has the power to suppress reporting on something like this, though, I know that you will say it is Israel, I would want proof. 

Though there has been no official notification of this, I am of the impression that we now consider any mention of Israeli spying to be highly classified. Only Russia and China are officially listed, entirely out of concern not to offend lobbyists whose feelings outweigh real issues of national security.” 

Then I turn on my television, hour after hour of TV shows about espionage and terrorism. Both American and British TV are the same. 

All spies are from Iran and Pakistan; nations that our actual intelligence agencies indicate represent no espionage threat to speak of. 

In fact, in my two Saturday morning phone interviews, which can, of course, be confirmed by Homeland Security who has tapped my phones, I have reflected with great accuracy. 
Thus, we ask you to read what President Obama really did not say “between the lines,” the message is quite clear. 

We do not see a roundup of AIPAC spies, not like in the early days of the Bush administration although Attorney General John Ashcroft quashed that investigation. 

What we are seeing is a hunt for traitors within the American government and military, some of which is working its way onto the news. 

The question of the moment, however, is this: 
“How can a President of the United States announce that the government is infiltrated with terrorists and spies and no newspaper, television network or other form of media notices?”





Comments by Gordon Duff, a Marine Vietnam veteran and Senior Editor at Veterans Today.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 03:11 | 3009456 RichardP
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That blurb is copied from here:

The memo itself is available at the White House web site:

How can a President of the United States announce that the government is infiltrated with terrorists and spies ...

If you read the White House memo you will see that the President announced no such thing.  For those with average reading comprehension, the memo is self-explanatory.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 11:22 | 3009687 caconhma
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Thanks for the White House web site.

"For those with average reading comprehension, the memo is self-explanatory." This is the different story. The latest Defense department and CIA stories indicate to me that there is something very serious going on.  This is Obama's 2nd term. I do not expect that Obama will be easily managed as it was during his 1st term in the office. During his 2nd-term, I do expect "major surprises".

By the way, Jewish Bolsheviks and Jewish bankers also thought they would be able to "manage"  Stalin and Hitler. Granted, Obama is not either of them.  Obama is not FDR but the world now is not any easier than it was back in 1930s.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:32 | 3009639 unrulian
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huh? am i missing something here?

 a pity the U.S. doesn't have anyone with the brains and guts Putin has.

Putins a piece of shit crazy shirtless bastard....however, no better than the dish rag muppets in the US

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:19 | 3010236 Random
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I had to log in and give you +1 for the good laugh!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:05 | 3008580 ebworthen
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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:07 | 3008582 A Lunatic
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This can will also be kicked.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:13 | 3008590 NidStyles
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Gulf of Tonkin?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:13 | 3008591 max2205
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Like cage fighting, a lot of Cold War players stuffed into a small place.

One fuck up and it's gonna be an all out shooting war. Question is what will china do?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:51 | 3008654 dracos_ghost
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"What will China do..."

Keep making GooPads. Let round eye kill each other.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:32 | 3008594 Yen Cross
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 This get's better by the second...  [Vladimir Pudding], is bored with wrestling Siberian Tigers...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 21:53 | 3009197 Anusocracy
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Challenge Mr. Pudding to a fight.

You can beat some pudding, right?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:19 | 3008595 bankerbackbacon
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Inferno in the Middle East anyone? Naval buildup, Damascus falls, then perhaps Solomon's Temple gets (re)erected?... Precious metals, rations, solar power, water and shotguns....Criminals and Heretics come in all colours.


Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:05 | 3008753 dark pools of soros
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The Library of Alexandria will be reburnt down....  all shall be destroyed and forgotten - their will will wilt and be broken



Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:23 | 3009055's picture

I thought you were stuttering there for a moment.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:48 | 3010102 RichardP
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then perhaps Solomon's Temple gets (re)erected?

The Third Temple has already been built.  Pre-fab.  Sitting unassembled in some warehouse in Hoboken, waiting.  Some assembly required. ;-)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:20 | 3008598 JustObserving
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!5.5% of Israeli jews are from the Soviet Union compared to only 2.7% from North America, 0.7% from the UK and 1.2% from France.

There is no way that Putin will want conflict with Israel.  Too many of his people are there now.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:32 | 3008624 markar
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The Jews of the former Soviet Union and Russia before that were never "their people"

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:50 | 3008726 JustObserving
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Mass immigration to Israel have improved ties.  Putin calls Israel a Russian-speaking nation. Putin visited Israel in June of this year:


Israel was eager to cultivate its relations with a major world and regional player. Those ties grew after the fall of the Soviet Union, which was hostile to Israel, and have been cemented by the arrival in Israel of more than a million immigrants from the former Soviet Union, among them 10,000 Red Army veterans.

Mr. Netanyahu’s cabinet includes several Russian speakers, including Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

Trade between Israel and Russia is increasing, and Russian tourists here are second only to Americans in number, though many of them come only for a one-day Holy Land excursion as part of a cruise or a longer stay in nearby Turkey.

Mr. Netanyahu said he was sure that Mr. Putin’s visit would further improve ties in agriculture, science, technology and space, among other fields.


Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:19 | 3008874 ThirdWorldDude
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You totally miss the point!

Russia's support and sympathy goes to ordinary non-Zionist Israelis living in a police state under terrible economic circumstances, not for Bibi's megalomaniac government.

OTOH, even if there are so many Russians in Israel it won't mean much to Russia if they're Zionists.


Learn the distinction!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:56 | 3009014 Segestan
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Don't be a fool. Putin is a thief acting as a leader. He's a Jewish lackey. Get It?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 07:33 | 3009536 ThirdWorldDude
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Bitch please, you must have a mental disease

Assume position and get back down on your knees!



(How's this argumentation work for ya?)

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 08:51 | 3009559 Segestan
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I post about Putin and you act like you're some tough mother fucker. Try me bitch!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 10:25 | 3009628 ThirdWorldDude
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I like spanking bitches like you any day of the week. Sooo, queston nr. 1:


Name three Zionists that Putin cooperates with  (either in his government or on a board of a national company)

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:28 | 3010241 Random
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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:31 | 3009063's picture

The emigration of Russian Jews was facilitated when the NATO defense plans stolen by Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard were traded to the Soviets.



Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)
The New Yorker Magazine | :January 18, 1999, pp. 26-33 | SEYMOUR M. HERSH



A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard's material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union. A significant percentage of Pollard's documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union. One longtime C.I.A. officer who worked as a station chief in the Middle East said he understood that "certain elements in the Israeli military had used it" -- Pollard's material -- "to trade for people they wanted to get out," including Jewish scientists working in missile technology and on nuclear issues. Pollard's spying came at a time when the Israeli government was publicly committed to the free flow of Jewish emigres from the Soviet Union. The officials stressed the fact that they had no hard evidence -- no "smoking gun," in the form of a document from an Israeli or a Soviet archive -- to demonstrate the link between Pollard, Israel, and the Soviet Union, but they also said that the documents that Pollard had been directed by his Israeli handlers to betray led them to no other conclusion.



High-level suspicions about Israeli-Soviet collusion were expressed as early as December, 1985, a month after Pollard's arrest, when William J. Casey, the late C.I.A. director, who was known for his close ties to the Israeli leadership, stunned one of his station chiefs by suddenly complaining about the Israelis breaking the "ground rules." The issue arose when Casey urged increased monitoring of the Israelis during an otherwise routine visit, I was told by the station chief, who is now retired. "He asked if I knew anything about the Pollard case," the station chief recalled, and he said that Casey had added, "For your information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the U.S.S.R. all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets." (boldface mine - Ronin)Casey had then explained that the Israelis had traded the Pollard data for Soviet emigres. "How's that for cheating?" he had asked.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 06:35 | 3009510 Disenchanted
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Where do you think the classified documents that Paula Kranz Broadwell shouldn't have had, ended up? Or will end up...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:53 | 3010111 RichardP
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... classified documents that Paula Kranz Broadwell shouldn't have had ...

The powers that be have said no laws were broken.  Ms. Broadwell had/has a top-secret security clearance.  The issue was not that she had the documents.  The issue is whether she was keeping them properly secure.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:57 | 3008669 DosZap
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!5.5% of Israeli jews are from the Soviet Union compared to only 2.7% from North America, 0.7% from the UK and 1.2% from France.


Dude, what you smokin?.

That murdering KGB SOB could CARE less about anything except POWER-

Nothing else...................ZERO.

And, here we are again, the same bastards we save from starvation for decades, ready to wipe us off the map.

Odd, how the hand that feeds always get's bit.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:24 | 3008600 First There Is ...
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The game just changed today! The Russians are saying, in no uncertain terms, that they too will maintain a military presence in the Middle East to defend their interests.

They are an effective counterweight to the unholy US/Israeli alliance that jeopardizes everyone's safety. Now that Russia is willing to meddle in the world's affairs as the US has been doing for decades, their boys will start coming home in body bags just as they did during the Afghan War a quarter of a century ago. Ironic, isn't it?

But then again, Russia doesn't fight politically correct wars so maybe they'll dispense with the PC and just let it rip; no pretense of fighting a "humane war" - just kill anything that moves and deal with the political fallout later. After all, they've garnered a fair amount of leverage on the global political scene given the number of civilians killed by US forces in previous "engagements". Let them have their time patrolling the Middle East. They'll soon realize it's a dead end and run with their tails between their legs like so many other aspiring empires have done before, including the US.

The Middle East is hopelessly mired in religious zealotry and superstition. The Israelis have a powerful lobby that still seems in the ascendant, if only temporarily, and their incestuous relationship with government and its Right Hand Man, MIC, will insure that this idiotic desert pissing contest culminates in some sort of mass munitions depleting event or a protracted proxy war of US vs. Them - Russia, China and hardline Islamists against the US, Israel and any other country that wishes to opportunistically hock its wares in a time of conflict. Either way, too many people have too much at stake for a lasting peace to take hold. War it must be...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:50 | 3008650 Canucklehead
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I'm not so sure about your point of view.  The Russians could simply be setting up infrastructure for an expansion of their tourism industry:

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:04 | 3008684 First There Is ...
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Better than Moscow in January.....

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:10 | 3008692 NewThor
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The fallout won't be political, it would be nuclear, then tribal.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:15 | 3008697 MeBizarro
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So what.  Russian advisors have already been in Syria and they have been supplying Assad with all kinds of munitions including additional Hind helicopters and other munitions.   Only reason that Assad is still in power is the air superiority that his forces have almost over the entire country especially in ground-to-air support from his Russian supplied helicopters.  

Basically a repeat of Afghanistan in the 80s except the terrain in Syria is much less challenging for engaging in offensive action.  Turkey is playing the role of Pakistan and is a safe haven and key supply depot for the anti-Assad forces with plenty of help from the Turkish gov't.  You have plenty of Arab money from the Gulf states and religious fighters flowing through Turkey into Northern Syria.  

The only thing that has happened is that the US hasn't gone full bore and given the various anti-Assad forces supplies of vast mobile anti-to-anti guided missles.  Don't even need a full no-fly zone over Syria by NATO forces.  That only happened in Afghanistan in the early phases due to Charlie Wilson and other who basically ran their own covert operation under the nose of the CIA.  I am sure the Iranians and the Russians andwould have very strong reactions though to the US supplying the anti-Assad forces with those munitions though.  It would certainly escalate things up another leve from what is now a low-grade civil war between internal factions with external suppliers into one where you open a much broader can of worms.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:27 | 3008709 Winston Churchill
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Obummer was sure trying to give the anti-Assad (AlQaeda)forces the weapons they wanted.

From Libya via Turkey to Syria..

He must have doubled crossed AlQaeda in Libya,hence the Benghazi attack.

Maybe he welshed on payment after the MANPADS were delivered.

Remind me what crime that is for aiding and succoring the enemy in wartime(GWOT).

I know its a capital offense.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:40 | 3008725 First There Is ...
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Things changed because Russia previously acknowledged its Syrian interests and a desire to protect them by insuring the continuity of the Assad regime. However, those actions did not explicitly demonstrate that they were taking a more permanent seat at the ME table, it merely demonstrated that they were not going to roll over and see their naval presence eradicated in Syria. Sending warships to sit astride Gaza and Israel where political tensions are even more heightened seems a bit more aggressive and assertive, don't you think? In effect, they are now introducing themselves into a situation that was, heretofore, not of terrible concern to them other than taking some pleasure in watching the US turn it into one interminable clusterfuck at our own financial, military and political expense. Just my 0.02

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:11 | 3008763 AllWorkedUp
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It is indeed alot more aggressive - especially if they decide to defend supply ships en route to Gaza.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:20 | 3008773 Canucklehead
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It looks to me like Russia is gearing up for Charlie Sheen's War, not Charlie Wilson's War...


Sat, 11/24/2012 - 22:53 | 3009286 MeBizarro
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Russians have been long-term players in the Middle East in just about every country in one way or another except Saudi Arabia since WW2.  They sent a few surface ships which limited offensive capabilities as a show of force.  They change squat in terms of the current conflict there since all of the arms are either coming via land over the Turkish/Jordanian borders. 

What matters is that Russia continues to supply Assad with munitions replenishment especially for his helicopters and air-to-ground missles.  

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:20 | 3008601 americanspirit
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Now if one of those GRAD missiles just happens to get fired at the Russkies from, say, the West Bank - who's to say who did the shooting?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:20 | 3008875 yogibear
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The Arabs could provoke a conflict.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:20 | 3008602 Yen Cross
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 I'm beginning to think those "Mayans" were on to something...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:56 | 3008665 john39
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mayans were expert astonomers... if you read some of their writings carefully, it appears that they were aware of this issue that NASA just stumbled upon a few years back:

of course, NASA doesn't get the big picture on this... the TPTB certainly do.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:00 | 3008676 Yen Cross
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 Thanks for the link.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:05 | 3008686 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ but the Mayans didn't know that if they all drove a Prius or a Volt, the universe would eventually be saved...

Thank God we have DC Fusor here for that...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:10 | 3008693 Yen Cross
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 Mr. Green Energy. (Fisker Karma) collector.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:14 | 3008700 NewThor
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Speaking of the Mayans,

I made a video of the Sun over the last month

composed of shots from the Nasa SoHo cameras,

and, if you'll notice, the Galactic Plane flashes with bright light

before almost every Coronal Mass Ejection.

.....maybe the Universe is bigger than Earth, no?

Remember, the Universe is just a big explosion exploding

with strawberries hanging from the cliffs of life.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:36 | 3008781 GoinFawr
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You compiled that? That was fantastic! Gumption level: epic. Thank you.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:54 | 3008827 Eff
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<Edit> @NewThor:</Edit>I watched the video, but without explanatory commentary or at least references for comparison....I don't know what to make of it. However, I suppose you wanted to make a point of something unusual. Did you?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:18 | 3008871 NewThor
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Thank you, GF.

Yes, I edited the video, and my bandmate wrote and performed the song.

Eff. Here is a video of a side by side comparison of the Sun from 2009 and 2012.

It appears to be more than just Solar Maximum.

Funny, Solar Warming appears to be the real deal,

but you don't get Carbon Tax Credits or $100 billion dollar Green slush funds

fighting the Sun, do you?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:23 | 3008606 spinone
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What could go wrong?


Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:25 | 3008610 Disenchanted
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Oh good another 'business opportunity' for "The City" and it's satellites.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:30 | 3008612 shovelhead
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"Quit poking me."

"Quit poking me."

"Quit poking me or you're gonna get it."


"There...I told you."

"MOM!!! He hit me ...WHAHHHHH!."

Just like the Sunday drive with the kids in the back seat.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:27 | 3008615 Boeing Boy
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The russian navy, fearsome drinkers, that is about it..

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:29 | 3008618 Yen Cross
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The Absolute Vodka Navy...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:28 | 3008617 ISEEIT
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I'm simply shocked! Shocked I tell you...How is it that these terribblle events unfold in such an utterly shocking manner?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:30 | 3008619 Pretorian
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How about this one today: Iran accuses US Navy of ‘illegal acts’ in Gulf

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:36 | 3008720 Dawnofinsanity
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This will end well... Thanks for the link

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:30 | 3008621 Yen Cross
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 The Ruskies are out today!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:32 | 3008623 ShrNfr
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"Just in case China nationals needs evaluation too." Well, some of the Chinese nationals are ok, and some aren't. [Delete this post when the typo gets fixed, if you will.]

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:41 | 3008637 Disenchanted
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If we're gonna evaluate, lets start with the neo-Israelites.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:52 | 3008652 Yen Cross
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 Ohh give me a break! Chinese Racizm is all over the place!  Go take a bath or something<?  If you(can't) play in the fight club, start your own blog!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:58 | 3008673 CunnyFunt
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start swinging

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:01 | 3008678 Yen Cross
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She's back.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:34 | 3008629 q99x2
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My bet is on Russia. They have backup within range. China has a long way to walk to get to the Meditranean coast. I wouldn't count on them yet. I did hear the US packed up and split from the Straights of H. so Israel will be left to go it alone. Maybe that is what Russia is up to. Letting Israel know that they need to think things out.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:45 | 3008644 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Wheres the Stratfor update Tyler?  The Big E came and went, and didn't get sunk.  Now what?

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:47 | 3008631 Yen Cross
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 Time to hit the { peat bogs} for heat this winter, Western Europe...  I can hear GAZPROM closing the spigots as we speak/post<>

  Turkey Day=  Israel vs Middle east (ceasefire)...  It was good while it lasted... Thank God, I'm flying across the pacific tomorrow.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:34 | 3008797 knukles
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Fuck 'em, let 'em freeze in the dark.
They've had 30 years + to get their own energy supplies established and make nice with Russia while the US footed the bill.

PS, You fuckers (EU) owe everybody else for subsidizing the wonderful sustainable Socialist Workers Paradise you built on our dime.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:07 | 3008850 Yen Cross
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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:01 | 3009921 Colonial Intent
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I agree, most european citizens would be happy for you to shut down Fylingdales/Echelon and all your other bases here, especially happy would be the population of the UK who still have american nukes flown over their country (even tho its illegal to do so in america due to safety concerns).

Am all for the EU not relying on USA subsidies for its defence, given the poor performance of USA armed forces recently (how many decades  old was the chinese sub that got within 5NM of your carrier?), not counting iraq that was rumsfelds fault for trying to do it on the cheap.

Perhaps then the EU leaders would accept reality and make some decisions accordingly. LOL

PS, we paid lend lease and gave you our overseas bases too, ask your govt why they keep spending in europe, we are not a threat nor threatened (russia is not that stupid) so why the free cash?

"Got any gum chum?"

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:43 | 3008640 Börjesson
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Whatever else you can say about her, that is one beautiful ship. Just look at those lines!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:12 | 3008698 Ricky Bobby
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That is the first thing I thought as well how beautiful, of course that causes some dissonance because it is a killing machine. I don't have any knowledge on the subject but if she is as lethal as she looks I wouldn't want to fuck with her.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:15 | 3008768 GoinFawr
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two more victims of the art

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:22 | 3008878 Eff
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True. But it does not necessarily mean up-to-date or first-grade.

Another example: the imho very very beautiful Berkut


Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:43 | 3008641 blunderdog
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Oh, yeah, a Russian warship on a humanitarian mission.

That's like so totally plausible.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:48 | 3008649 Disenchanted
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Almost as plausible as a US Carrier Group spreading democracy and freedom around the world...not to mention the drones.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:52 | 3008658 formadesika3
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Something tells me it won't meet the same fate as the USS Liberty.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:06 | 3008756 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Correct. Israel only attacks American assets. They'd be committing suicide if they tried that false flag crap on the Russians.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 17:12 | 3008764 surf0766
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I cannot believe it took until the second page before someone had false flag in the thread.  I feel better now.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 23:40 | 3009339 mkhs
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Choose 300 comments displayed per page and it is still the first page.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:50 | 3008651 aerofan3
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Well, combat wise the Israeli Navy has had an easy ride so far.

They will have all their new German built super quiet conventional submarines (possibly five) at battle stations so we will see how that will play out.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:57 | 3008670 john39
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dreaming if you don't think the israelis have nukes on those subs... targeted at western europe and God knows where else...  sampson option, fanatics with nukes...  perfect.

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:47 | 3008920 earleflorida
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Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:54 | 3008664 muppet_master
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all foretold

by jack van impe ministries...of course the IMPORTANT ingredient = the TIMING was not exactly pinpointed !! this is definitely breaking news..unfortunately more so than the awesome breaking news below:




Sat, 11/24/2012 - 18:42 | 3008912 ArrestBobRubin
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Please tell me you just forgot the /sarc...

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 20:45 | 3009084's picture

Jack Van Impe is a hoot.  Sunday night at 11:30 locally. Hi Rexella!

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 15:58 | 3008672 Yen Cross
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 I have to admit. Missile Cruiser Moskva, looks like it was " wind tunnel tested" by NASA & designed by Marcello Ghandini! (Lamborghini Father)

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 16:57 | 3008743 zilverreiger
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it's a bit creaky, even on the promo material

Sat, 11/24/2012 - 19:12 | 3008957 Rat Patrol
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It was a piece of shit when its keel was laid down in 19fucking 65.


Is this a joke? Maybe a nostalgia cruise from a museum fleet?


As far as modern navies go, Russia ain't shit.


This is the Gran Torino Russian Fleet? Bring it.

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