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Egyptian Stocks Plunge 9.6% As 'Islamofascism' Rises; Clashes Escalate

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Egyptian stocks cliff-dived by their most since the Arab Spring in January 2011 as Morsi's reach-for-omnipotence sends concerned ripples through the nation that they have replaced 'military fascism' with so-called 'islamofascism'. Tensions are rising once again in Tahrir Square, but as Russia Today notes in this clip, the new regime is somewhat more heavy-handed than the previous one in its control of protesters. Critically, the Musilm Brotherhood's opposition forces, who have been quite divided recently, are joining to fight the common enemy as clashes between pro-Morsi and anti-Morsi forces are erupting. Perhaps just as worrisome as the social unrest is the fact that Egypt's Stock Exchange Director Said Hisham Tawfiq fears "Egypt announces bankruptcy within 3 months in the case of the continuation of the current situation," though we note Egypt CDS are near 16-month lows.

The EGX50 dropped a massive 9.5% today as markets are stunned my Morsi's move...

 

and from Russia Today:

 


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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Yellowhoard
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Choose your brand of fascism.

The whole world is Balkinizing into fascist camps.

Soon, we'll get to see who is the toughest fascist on the globe.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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This MB included.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment knukles
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How's that Arab Springie thingie workin' out for ya'll?
Go ahead, make my revolution....

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Y'all ... not ... Ya'll ... Contraction of You All

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment knukles
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Don't wish for what you might not want, etc....

Congrats PTB, ya'll got your Permanent Enemy for the "Long War"

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment strannick
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'Islamo facism' is redundant

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Earl of Chiswick
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No no no no

Mo is only doing this according to the MSM propagandists to help isolate Iran, he is actually a nice fellow and the President is confident that this is only temporary.  It's all about Iran.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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"Viva Hate" was replete with some edgy and violent lyrics but I didn't think Steve the violent dicktater type

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment moonstears
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I think knukles' post at 13:09 was a subtle "fuck you, Hog". I love this place!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment midtowng
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It was a leftist revolution in a very conservative country. Naturally the majority of people, who never worked to get rid of the dictator, voted in another dictator.

That doesn't mean the revolution was wrong. Just that many people don't deserve, or want, freedom.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 06:46 | Link to Comment Incubus
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That doesn't mean the revolution was wrong. Just that many people don't deserve, or want, freedom.

 

The same thing will happen here, or in any other country, given the poor state of the general population and their overall inability to make proper decisions regarding matters that directly influence their lives;  try to talk politics with anyone and they're all offensed that you should even bring up such a matter.  Nevermind the fact that politics and philosophy are at the very core of everything in our lives. 

Be polite, smile, make small talk, and get bent over and fucked by your "leaders & bosses."

 

People are reactionary animals.  They'll vie for some great change and haven't a fucking clue about what it is they want to change to. 

Get drunk on your revolution rhetoric.  It's more of the same shit.  The thing you'd do well to realize is that society is a joke.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Silver Bug
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Hold on to your seats boys and girls. Were in for a bumpy ride.

 

http://schiffblog.blogspot.ca/

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Tortfeasor
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Hoocodanode?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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Obama did it and not a whimper!

 

FORWARD SOVIET!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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Thanks to his lapdog MSM!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Egyptian Stocks Plunge 9.6% As 'Islamofascism' Rises; Clashes Escalate

Just what "THEY WANTED", and HE got it.

One more down, Libia, Egypt, who's next?.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment 13thWarrior
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Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/11/malaysia-victim-of-americas-irregular.html

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Morsi's Motto:

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

 

Morsi is a Rahm devotee.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 13:59 | Link to Comment davidsmith
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Lincoln waited and had Congress ratify everything he had done, but it's the same theory: facing an emergency, the President has emergency powers.  Interestingly, Lincoln also faced subversive judges, always the last bastion of the ancien regime.  Roger Taney caused him all kinds of problems, and he wound up simply ignoring Taney's orders and any court orders obviously sympathetic to the Confederacy.  However, Morsi should say that his actions pursuant to the decree will be put up for ratification by whatever legislative body emerges.  Without a legislative resolution of support, you have problems.  That's why the Supreme Court refused to ratify Truman's seizure of the steel mills: Congress condemned it.  If Congress had ratified it, the Court would have upheld it.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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WHO fucking cares! stfu

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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Can we please send the members of congress into Tahir Square for a few days, because what a sight it would be to see Pelosi and Boehner etc being chased by savages wearing tin hats looking to beat them to pulp with their rocks and bats!

Sincerely

Everyone in America

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment RacerX
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you mean savages in "bread hats"

http://www.urgentevoke.com/photo/bread-hat

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment tooriskytoinvest
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Meanwhile...

BREAKING: Israel may Strike Ship with Iran Missiles En Route to Gaza. US Carriers Position off Iran Coast. Nex-Gen Iron Dome Tests Underway

http://investmentwatchblog.com/breaking-israel-may-strike-ship-with-iran-missiles-en-route-to-gaza-us-carriers-position-off-iran-coast-nex-gen-iron-dome-tests-underway/

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Rat Patrol
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Iran knows they have nothing to fear until they see us suddenly pull our carriers out of the gulf.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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The report cites Israeli intelligence sources who surmised that the cargo....

And you believe this crap?????? Pure frickin propaganda. Please man...... see it for what it is and break from the herd.
Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Boondocker
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satelites and drones....

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Imminent Collapse
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Not to worry. All rights will be restored after terrorism is defeated.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Strange. The locals are ungrateful for America's next installed dictator.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment knukles
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Think they own their own country or somthin'...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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They will have Demockracy. They will like it, and they will beg for more.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Looks like the gubmint masters really fukked up when they ended 30 years of emergency powers ( 5/31/12 )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_law_in_Egypt

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment knukles
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My oh my, them emerging MENA stocks sure look cheap....
Time to back up the camel...

 

(throw in an additional 100 shares of Omar the Tent Maker for good luck.... who brought the books to burn?)

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:24 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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If you're backing up the camel, be sure not to load up on straw...that can be dicey.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Get elected and then with the help of the US, declare yourself KING.

The joke was definitly on the "Brotherhood" and Egypt.

I am waiting for "dissidents" to start vanishing.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:17 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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I think that guy is Hilary.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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I thought it was "twitter square" now? anywho this is a THEOCRACY not an "islamo fascism" anti-God thing. these actions are done IN THE NAME OF GOD...not in spite of Him. (plumb the depths to secure advantage if you like. I would argue a Christian faith says ALL OF IT is wrong.) the propaganda not relating to the seriousness of it all reminds my of Hitler's "phantom divisions" actually...as if the lie somehow creates a "greater truth." i do find it interesting that the latest b.s. concerns "Egypt being the great peace maker" actually. I'm sure President Morsi finds this rather humorous at a certain level...though certainly he is being made a winner either way. When the goal is to create a story line first folks don't be surprised if the facts come up in surprising ways as well folks. Needless to say the "whitewash" doesn't work too well over there. We'll see if we're heading into "Intifada 3.0" or not relativey soon. Here's an historical primer which i am sure the Egyptian Cabinet has been reviewing for some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada These folks aren't stupid people. I remember playing chess with "some third world types" and they used to beat me ROUTINELY in 25 moves or less. (it was rather frustrating i must say...as i don't consider myself a stupid person.) "the dumbest person is the one who doesn't take the threat seriously" of course. i would say a...."cease fire" process has started...which is more than can be said of the last four years. i will be watching closely to see what comes of it.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:08 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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People that accepted the Vote 2 Party 666 in the United States and in Egypt are antichrist Hell Bound scumbags. On their way down, to realize their graven image, we all get to suffer.  http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-commits-treason-with-the-muslim-b...

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 04:00 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Hey! I read all about this. I think it was a book called "Reveal."

No, Revelations. Yeah. That's it.  Got to find a copy.

**************

O'Twinkie looks up from his Sports Page:  "Who... who are you."

(Hank Kissinger voice: "I am the one you have prepared the way for. Prepare to be assimilated."

O'Twinkie: "Uh, what? (offers pack of Kools and lighter). "Light? Smoke?"

"Not yet."

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment vote_libertaria...
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Whew, good thing that Egypt thingy is fixed.

 

buy buy buy

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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well...sure, "cease fire process" is a far cry from a peace process...i agree. still...believe it or not "it is an improvement over the last four years." in case you were wondering what that was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCMUkqpI7o
ah the fool who tries to separate personal ambition from the goals of the organization in general...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment q99x2
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That seemed pretty peaceful to me. There were US demonstrations a lot worse than that. But then the US outlawed demonstrations.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Being hit with made in the Usa tear canisters should help with the government's image. Usa!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The old Chinese models were more effective for crowd control, they used high explosive as a propellant.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Regarding the Anglo-American Empire, I do believe this is absolutely unprecedented: that is, the Empire that isn't aware that it's an Empire, and the sheer number of British and American serfs and slaves who are unaware that they are serfs and slaves. ("What? America installed that new guy in Egypt? That sounds pretty far-fetched.")

More and more people are waking up, that's for sure, but many don't even know.

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment reload
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Syrian `opposition leaders` of various stripes in london last week being interviewed by William Hague - UK foreign secretary. Just as were the Libyan `opposition leaders`. He said on BBC Radio that it was time to decide who to support and work with once the current troubles are resolved. So how do we think those interviews are conducted? I immagine it is a search for a `democratic` puppet who will allow his couintry to be looted and have a red shield central bank installed. The fact that some would call these `opposition leaders` terrorists is obviously not discussed....they are the good guys now, or will be annointed as such once the selection proccess is complete. I am sure the USA is well represented at these selections, it is not a descision left to Hague alone.  

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Amanpour speaks with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton about Egypt.

 

Ring, ring

Hello, Hillary speaking

Good evening Mrs. Clinton, why has our specific press release briefing gone so wrong?

I did my best in presenting your press release bullshit, why don’t you tell me how it fucking failed?

I don’t like your tone Mrs. Clinton. As you know, it’s been the Bush, Clinton, Bush dynasty. Perhaps you should just shut the fuck up. Tell everyone your just tired. Jeb Bush will be running against you in 2016.

Just remember the long term Central Banking plans, your fate in helping us excel the doctrine may decide your 2016 Presidential outcome.

[Click] Disconnected call

Hillary, Hello - Hello 


This is how they think & behave under public servant euphoria drugs. When bullets rain down, they will declare their actions were performed under blackmail and family death threats. Neither excuses will be found to be true.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Banksters
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A 9.6 percent drop means they've lost $178.00.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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Hopefully they will give this guy a vicious beating everyday for a month, then wrap him in a freshly slaughtered swine skin and hang him upside down... would be a good warning for other delusional pocket dictators who usurp a nations Constitution, coverup crimes and lie like thieves.  Anyone come to mind???

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Truce = Timeout to reload.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:48 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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I believe the Morsi regime forgot to tell the Mubarak holdovers they were in charge. Could be a problem.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Jeez. (pbuh)

I always thought the Muslim Brotherhood was a civic organization like the Kiwanis Club.

Only with beards and multi-pocketed vests instead of lapel pins.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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........"I".."slam"..."ofascism"...
me too.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Treason Season
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Godspeed Egyptians, you've got the fight of your lives on the line.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment john39
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we all do...  the Egyptian people however appear to be more aware of what is really going on than most Americans...  global fascism... fight now people or its lights out for humanity for a long time.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:00 | Link to Comment resurger
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Yo John, whats with the decree? People want Bread, Freedom etc .. i mean things were okay since he was elected, what happened out of a sudden?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:15 | Link to Comment TrulyBelieving
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The Egyptians vote for Muslim Brotherhhod, Americans vote for Barak Hussein Obama, Looks to me both equally unaware.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 03:53 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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well, both voted for the same party. at least it's consistent.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment resurger
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Am Anti-Pro guy!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment robobbob
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what you are watching islamo-FASCISTS fighting against islamo-SOCIALISTS.

There are no good guys here, unless you support the global socialist movement, aka the NWO.

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Great to see Hitlery's and O'Twinkie's plan to get rid of Hosni is working out so well and the ME is more stable.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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O Twinkie...LOL!

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 03:51 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Banzai, how about some art with O'Twinkie wearing a ballerina outfit and doing something with twinkies......

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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TODAY'S SPECIALS

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:01 | Link to Comment yogibear
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How's that 30 plus year US policy on Egypt working out? Next, other middle eastern countries will be kicking out US embassies.  

As US debt keeps climbing with no debt ceiling it will loose both military and economic power.

As Russia and China know the way to take the US down is not militarily but economically. Let the US bankrupt itself and owe more money than it can ever pay back.

Let the debt Junkie US die of it's own consumption. 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Ayatollah Morsi

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment falak pema
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BI has a better one : Morsillini...its a new form of islamic fettucini. 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Glass Seagull
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Obviously a direct by-product of Hurricane Sandy.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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actually Sandstorm Sandy

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Frastric
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This is what happens when the people revolt without a plan; the fascists return to power.

Different guise, same tyranny.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Sooo, is Dictator for Life Morsi gonna tear down those "pagan pyramids" or not?

"Accordingly, while many Egyptians--Muslims and non-Muslims alike--see themselves as Egyptians, Islamists have no national identity, identifying only with Islam's "culture," based on the "sunna" of the prophet and Islam's language, Arabic. This sentiment was clearly reflected when the former Leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Akef, declared "the hell with Egypt," indicating that the interests of his country are secondary to Islam's.

It is further telling that such calls are being made now--immediately after a Muslim Brotherhood member became Egypt's president. In fact, the same reports discussing the call to demolish the last of the Seven Wonders of the Word, also note that Egyptian Salafis are calling on Morsi to banish all Shias and Baha'is from Egypt."

http://www.aina.org/news/2012071094423.htm#

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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They already took the outer layer of the pyramids to build cairo thousand years or so ago. Its a political move really.  Pharaoh represents everything they (and people at zero hedge) hate. Man who usurped god and nature, destroyed the freedom of others and set the people to work on massive time wasting vanity monuments. His central banker was also a guy named Joseph.....

 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace.  When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.”

 “Then bring your livestock,” said Joseph. “I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone.”  So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.

Ring any bells?

I'm not for knocking down the pyramids but they are a symbol of something very very frightening. If Mursi is who they say he is they will never do it though. Theres a reason why that symbol is on the U.S federal reserve notes.

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Ring any bells?

Sure, if Joseph had not taken over, ALL of them would have perished, your point?.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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Thats what they all say..........

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:24 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Pharaoh represents everything they (and people at zero hedge) hate."

Oh, I don't know about that. There aren't that many fanatics at the Hedge, they're just usually the loudest sometimes. I think what we all search for here is knowledge & truth.

The most recent notable destruction of a historical landmark was carried out by the Taliban, that is, also Islamofascist...the Buddhas of Bamiyan. The Martand Sun Temple in India 15th century met a similiar fate.

There is nothing frightening about history, archeology and knowledge. The only scary thing is we (in the present) never seem to learn anything from it.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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Put it this way. The equivalent of 20,000 workers working for 10 years in 2500BC (popest at 25 million) is somewhere around 6,000,000 people working today for 10 years (pop est 7 billion). It was and still is the mother of all vanity projects. I doubt anyone has ever employed that many people on something that is completely fucking useless to those who build it. Shit atleast the Temple of Israel doubled as a palace. Its the same logic as removing every statue of Stalin from Russia or how Stalin wiped out the memory of the Czar or how that emperor with the Teracotta army destroyed every monastery that came before him. He controls the present controls the past etc.

I dislike the hardliners fucking up other peoples stuff too. Its mainly a political move to piss off the west and assert their authority. They went through Egypt already and took the faces of lots and lots of statues. Shit they even knocked down almost all of Mecca and replaced it with air conditioned malls. They don't want people looking to the past, no more Pharaoh's. 

In the case of the pyramid they actually have no reason to knock it down. Nothing un-islamic about a megalithic structure. I hope they don't but in the end thats the way things go. Best thing they could do is erect their own fuck off rock formation with

"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away. 

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment nmewn
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They're doing the same thing in Timbuktu (Mali) as well, against the Sufi...which I suppose could be considered Protestant to their view of Islam.

To your other point though, I may not pray to or through "idols" or structures either, but I'm not about destroying them and those who found solace, peace and wisdom through them and then claiming it and they never existed...which seems to be their modus operandi.

That would be a lie/deceit...a definition of evil.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment knukles
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Really shouldn't piss off the Nephelium.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment QuietCorday
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My understanding of this is that it comes from a deep animosity towards the evidence of the weakness of their creed in the light of past creeds, pagan or otherwise, or the fact there never was a civilisation to start with.

The pyramids, as did the Buddhas of Bamiyan or the famous irrigation systems of Afghanistan, remind the Salafist-minded that they cannot create what was once created by pagans or earlier (non-Salafist) Muslims, and this simply will not do -- because, for them, their creed of Islam is the truth, the perfection. It simply cannot be that others have achieved more than they are able to, and they did so hundreds or thousands of years previously, because that suggests their creed was superior to the Salafists. So they just destroy the evidence.

You see it a lot in the near obsessive Wahhabi desire to destroy Ottoman cemeteries. They simply cannot cope with the notion that muslims of another creed and race had the greatest and longest-lasting Islamic empire.  

Again, the thing with Salafism, or moreover Wahhabism, is that it advocates a kind of permanent present (albeit one where that present is sometime in the seventh century, but with cars). The desire to eradicate all evidence of the past is extraordinary: they are very busy destroying anything of historical interest in Saudi Arabia, for example.

I think, tbh, that the adoption of harsh Islamist creeds in the ME, Asian Subcontinent and Africa is making their societies and communities implode. And it is worth remembering that "Islamism", and Wahhabism, is really rather young. At most, you can argue Wahhabism dates from the late 18th century, and this Islamism is -- what? -- a 100 years old, if that?

To be blunt, they don't hate the West for our freedoms, they hate us for our successes, our inventions, our creations, because each one of those negates their creed. 

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:17 | Link to Comment nah
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people still vote for this shit

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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And how do we buy Egyptian CDS??

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment knukles
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(212) 902-1000

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Goldman Sachs? LOL! They wouldn't give me Blythe on the phone! I wanted to hear that witch's voice... to make sure I had the good one in my nightmares.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment falak pema
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IF Morsi is "islamofascism's" face AND best friend of USA, for signal services, (unknown), in current Gaza cease fire, what does this tell us about what Pax Americana's other political trump card IS in ME, (apart from staunch friend Israel)?

You only have one guess to 64000 USD question. 

think : the enemy of my enemy is thus my friend... If my enemy is shia IRan, and his enemy is sunni islam... well two and two...

What happened to that Taliban/Ben LAden devil in the wood pile?

In confused, at least I would be if I hadn't read H; not the H of the 10 best face/butt lifts of holywood queens; but the other one.  Not that I dislike natural faces...Call me Morsillini. 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment cristo
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SAME SHIT DIFFERENT ASSHOLE

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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Kinda makes you wonder when these poor bastards being gassed by the police are gonna realize that one glass bottle of ammonia taped to one glass bottle of bleach and then tossed in the middle of the nearest Darth Vader cluster would be a mighty effective counter-punch. Thrown from an upwind position, of course.

Demonstrator stopped by police - "What? This bottle of gasoline with a rag around the neck? Er, uh, no really I wasn't planning on doing anything."

Demonstrator stopped with a bag with groceries and a bottle of ammonia and a bottle of bleach " Who, me? Just heading home to do a little cleaning."

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment JR
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Alas, Zionists long for the old days in an efficient Egypt: the Mubarak family skimming billions for personal use from U.S. aid, delivering poverty for the Egyptian people, delivering peace with Israel (allowing expansion for the Israelis and prison for the Gazans), cracking down on any political dissent and keeping all other Arab countries away from the Middle East conflict.

Israeli policies have dominated the U.S. in the Middle East, and Mubarak was paid to keep the Arab world at bay.

Before Morsi, the military controlled Egypt and was destined to continue to act in U.S. interests.

Morsi, too, was to be controlled by the military, with help from the judiciary - a judiciary already beginning to dissolve an elected Parliament.  If Morsi was to bring Egypt into eventual free elections, without military control, temporarily keeping the judges out of it this seems to be his purpose.

How quickly the Zionists win over "market watchers" and the "peace" and "efficiency" lovers. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood overthrew a tyrant. Morsi brokered a ceasefire and emerged a powerful force for peace in a region on fire.

This Egyptian revolution isn't over...but already the Zionists want to spin its direction.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:49 | Link to Comment JR
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Egypt, for years, has been a fascist state and empowered by Washington to run Arab interference for problems created by Israel. Now, there’s a powerful new broker in the region, Morsi.

One man, Morsi, stepped into the Gaza affair with a power to negotiate like no other. The details of the peace agreement tell the story of just how significant Egypt’s role has become. Few U.S. media outlets have the details, so one must turn elsewhere. Here’s Richard Falk, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Palestinian human rights, outlining the significance of the ceasefire agreement brokered by Morsi and the weaknesses that have come to Israel.

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Putting aside the precariousness of the current situation and the accompanying uncertainties, it still seems useful to look at the process by which the ceasefire was brought about, how this sheds light on the changing dynamics of the conflict itself, as well on some underlying shifts in the regional and global balances of forces.

First of all, the role and outlook of the Arab governments was far more pro-active than in the past interludes of intensified Israel/Palestine violence. During the just-concluded attacks, several prominent foreign ministers from the region visited Gaza and were received by the Hamas governing authorities, thus undermining the longstanding Israeli effort to isolate Hamas and exclude it from participation in diplomacy. Egypt played the critical role in brokering the agreement, and despite the Muslim Brotherhood affiliation of its leaders. Mohammed Morsi, the Egyptian President, emerged as the key diplomatic figure, widely praised by the West for his "pragmatism", which can be understood as meaning his capacity to address the concerns of both sides without intruding his own pro-Palestinian outlook. Indeed, such a brokered agreement inverted what the Americans have brought to the table in past negotiations, a pretension of balance, a reality of partisanship.

Secondly, the text of the agreement implicitly acknowledged Hamas as the governing authority of Gaza, and thereby gives it, at least temporarily, a greatly enhanced status among Palestinians, regionally, and internationally. Its claim to be a legitimate representative of the Palestinian people has now become plausible, making Hamas a political actor that has for the moment been brought in from the terrorist cold. While Hamas remains formally "a terrorist organisation" in the eyes of Israel, the United States, and Europe, throughout this just-concluded feverish effort to impose a ceasefire on the conflict, Hamas was treated as "a political actor" with sovereign authority to speak for the people in Gaza. Such a move represents a potential sea change, depending on whether there is an effort to build on the momentum achieved or a return to the futile Israeli/US policy of excluding Hamas from diplomatic channels by insisting that it be classified as a terrorist organisation. Correspondingly, the Palestinian Authority, and its leader, Mahmoud Abbas, have been awkwardly sidelined, overshadowed, and made to appear irrelevant in the midst of this latest terrible ordeal affecting the Palestinian people.

Thirdly, Israel accepted as integral conditions of the ceasefire two sets of obligations toward the people of Gaza that it would never have agreed to before it launched its Pillar of Defence operation: (1) agreeing not to engage in "incursions and targeting of individuals" and (2) agreeing to meet to arrange for the "opening the crossings and facilitating the movements of people and the transfer of goods, and refraining from restricting residents free movement, and targeting residents in border areas". If implemented by Israel, this means the end of targeted assassinations and the lifting of the blockade that has tormented Gaza for more than five years. These are major setbacks for the Israeli policy. The political acceptance by Tel Aviv of a prohibition on targeted assassinations, if respected, renounces a favourite tactic of Israeli governments for many years, which although generally regarded as illegal was still practiced by Israel with impunity. Indeed, the most dramatic precipitating event in the recent controversial unfolding crisis timeline was the killing of Ahmed Jabari on November 14, a military/political leader of Hamas, who at the very time was negotiating a truce relating to cross-border violence.

Fourthly, the role of the United States, while still significant, was considerably downsized by these other factors, especially the need to allow Egypt to play the main role as arbiter. This suggests a regionalisation of diplomacy that diminishes the importance and seriously erodes the legitimacy of extra-regional interference. This is bad news for the Israelis. Turkey, also now a sharp critic of Israel, as well as Egypt played a significant role in defusing the escalating crisis. There exists a revealing gap between the US insistence all along that Israel's use of force was fully justified because every country has the right to defend itself and the ceasefire text that placed restrictions on future violence as applicable to both sides. After the ceasefire, the United States must make a defining choice: Either continue its role as Israel's unconditional enabler or adopt a more "pragmatic" approach to the conflict in the manner of Morsi. If it remains primarily an enabler, its diplomatic role is likely to diminish rapidly, but if it should adopt a balanced approach, it might still be able to take the lead in establishing a real peace process that considers the rights of both sides under international law. To make such a shift credible, President Obama would have to make a major speech to the American people explaining why it is necessary to choose between partisanship and diplomacy in reshaping its future relationship to the conflict. However sensible such a shift would be both for American foreign policy but also for the stability of the region, it is highly unlikely to happen. There is nothing in Obama's resume that suggests a willingness to go to the people to circumvent a dysfunctional outlook in the US Congress.

Fifthly, the United Nations was made to seem almost irrelevant, despite the presence of the Secretary General in the region during the diplomatic endgame. Ban Ki Moon did not help matters by seeming to echo the sentiments coming from Washington, calling attention almost exclusively to Israeli defensive rights. The UN could provide more neutral auspices for future negotiations if it were to disentangle itself from Western geopolitics. To do this would require withdrawing from participation in the Quartet, and pledging a commitment to a sustaining and just peace for both peoples. As with United States, it is highly unlikely that the UN would make such a move, at least not without permission from Washington. As with Obama, there is nothing in the performance of Ban Ki Moon as Secretary General that suggests the willingness and capacity to act independently when the stakes are high.

Sixthly, the immediate aftermath of the ceasefire was a call from the Gaza streets for Palestinian unity, symbolised by the presence of Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine flags all flying in harmonious co-existence. As the New York Times commented, "a rainbow not visible here in years". If Palestinian unity holds, and becomes a practical reality, including elections throughout Occupied Palestine, it may turn out that the ceasefire is more than a temporary tense truce, but is a new beginning in the long march toward Palestinian justice. 

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/11/20121124124357332912.html

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Monedas
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And CNN is trying to spin a Hamas victory !  Muslim world in flames !  LOL 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:11 | Link to Comment JR
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The attempts to label Morsi’s action as fascism conveniently refuse to provide context and background for the accusation.

Specifically, the new Egyptian parliament, admittedly with a large presence of Muslim Brotherhood members, was writing a new constitution as ordered. But the judiciary, many members coming from the Mubarak government, was beginning to dissolve the parliament and stop the writing of the constitution.

This today from Reuters:

AIRO, Nov 25 (Reuters) - The Egyptian presidency said on Sunday it was committed to engaging "all political forces" to reach common ground on the constitution and stressed the "temporary nature" of a decree expanding President Mohamed Mursi's powers.

"This declaration is deemed necessary in order to hold accountable those responsible for the corruption as well as other crimes during the previous regime and the transitional period," the presidency said in a statement.

Facing a storm of protest from judges and political opponents who accuse Mursi of turning into a new dictator, the presidency said the decree was "not meant to concentrate powers", but to devolve them. It aimed to avoid the politicisation of the judiciary, the statement said.

It also aimed to "abort any attempt" to dissolve either the body writing Egypt's constitution or the upper house of parliament, both of them dominated by Islamists allied to Mursi, the statement added.

"The presidency stresses its firm commitment to engage all political forces in the inclusive democratic dialogue to reach a common ground and bridge the gap in order to reach a national consensus on the constitution," it added.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/25/mohamed-morsi-decree_n_2188065.html

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:25 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Irish Muslims .... double down on dumb !

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Morsi's a "muzzle-'em"; probably won't work out very well...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:46 | Link to Comment JR
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Barack Obama was a loser in the Gaza wars…enthusiastically backing a military power seen throughout the world as killing defenseless civilians, many of them children, and then allowing Egypt to assume the role as honest broker in stopping the killing.

The “honest broker” label hasn’t been possible for a U.S. president since the Clinton Administration. For is was Bill Clinton who decided to staff most all major U.S. Administration positions dealing with the Middle East with pro-Israel people.

The rabbi of “Adath Yisrael” synagogue in Cleveland Park, Washington, in 1994 gave the Clinton Administration credit for appointing Jews almost exclusively "to participate in political work concerning the Middle East."

For the first time in American history", the rabbi said, "we no longer feel that we live in diaspora. The U.S. has no longer a government of Goyim [Gentiles], but an administration in which the Jews are full partners in the decision making at all levels.”

Said the rabbi, describing how Jews “have reached posts that are extremely sensitive for the U.S. policies,” participating in top secret President's Daily Briefings with senior officers of the American intelligence community, “The picture has now totally changed and not only about the Middle East.”

And speaking of Bill, who else but U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton did Obama send as 'peace" broker to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem, and then senior officials of the Palestinian government in the West Bank before heading to Cairo to meet with Egyptian leaders?

http://www.thephora.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-2990.html

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Israeli precisionbombing was too sterile .... left me hungry for more action .... like Syrians bombing childrens cancer hospitals !  LOL

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment Monedas
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How are my Egyptian gold mining stocks doing ?  LOL

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Christianarchist
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Big Bald Bob once said, (yes, the wisdom is as earthy as the nickname) and I quote, "ahh the cycles of history. The hubris grows, pop goes the weasel, God makes His presence known, and WE try and explain it away...". This ain't the first time this shit has happened, just the first time for us.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:13 | Link to Comment Monedas
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I'm an optimist .... I believe the "best" wars are yet to come .... ya gotta believe in sumthin' !

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Gaza economy 50% donor based .... the rest is fractional reserve terror industry !  LOL

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:21 | Link to Comment D-liverSil-ver
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Stock Market? Egypt doesn't have a Stock Market.... Back to the Future, 2015

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:16 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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FORWARD to the cliff!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment azengrcat
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Very Michael Savage in here.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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Not entirely though.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 23:09 | Link to Comment ItsDanger
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Glen Beck was right after all!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 23:54 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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Sorry a bit of re-post here... try asking: "Who is Muslim Brotherhood's leader?"

 

Muhammad Morsi seems to have some interesting ties with the US.  Completing his engineering doctorate in University of South California and having borne two kids who are US Citizens...

 


 

Grabbed a bio from this group http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/whos-who-in-the-...

 

Muhammad Morsi

Born: August 1951

 Position: President of Egypt; formerly member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Guidance Office, parliamentarian (2000–2005), and chairman of the Freedom and Justice Party

 EducationDoctorate in engineering from University of Southern California (1982), master’s degree in engineering from Cairo University (1978), bachelor’s degree in engineering from Cairo University (1975)

 Occupation: Engineer

Morsi was first recruited to the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States while studying for his PhD in engineering at the University of Southern California. His children were born in California and are U.S. citizens. After receiving his doctorate in 1982, he taught as an assistant professor at California State University–Northridge until 1985.

He then returned to Egypt to teach at Zagazig University, where his colleagues included current Brotherhood deputy supreme guides Mahmoud Ezzat and Mahmoud Ghozlan. Some sources report that Morsi’s rise in the MB began in 2000, when he was elected as a member of the People’s Assembly and served as the Brotherhood’s parliamentary bloc leader from 2000 to 2005. After losing his parliamentary race in 2005 due to Mubarak regime forgery, he became leader of the Brotherhood’s political division. From 2007 onward, he was also the key point of contact between the MB and the regime’s repressive State Security apparatus (and, according to MB political leader Saad al-Husseini, between the Brotherhood and Hamas).

Morsi has been arrested at least twice: he was detained for seven months in 2006 after protesting alongside several judges who had been targeted by the regime, and again during the January 2011 uprising, along with several other Brotherhood leaders. Following the uprising, the MB leadership appointed him chairman of the newly formed Freedom and Justice Party. In April 2012, he was chosen as the group’s backup presidential candidate in the event that its initial candidate, Khairat al-Shater, was barred from running. When Shater was indeed excluded due to a previous conviction, Morsi became the MB’s presidential nominee. In the first round of Egypt’s presidential election, Morsi won 24.78 percent of the vote, securing his position in a runoff against Ahmed Shafiq in mid-June. On June 24, Morsi was declared president, having won 51.73 percent of the vote.

 

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