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Submitted by Michael Panzner of Panzner Insights,

In “The Biggest Myth About the Fed,” David Beckworth, an assistant professor of economics at Western Kentucky University, suggests that the pessimists are wrong to be concerned about what Mr. Bernanke and Co. are up to.

There many myths about Fed policy over the past few years, but the biggest one has to be that the Fed has been monetizing the national debt.  This simply is not true, but it does not stop some folks from making this claim.  For example, at last week’s Cato Monetary Conference we find former Fed officials pounding the Fed-is-monetizing-the-debt drums:

 

Mr Warsh and Mr Poole (who was filling in for Allan Meltzer) made a sharp distinction between the “legitimate” efforts to fight the crisis and the subsequent easing actions that were, allegedly, unjustified by the economic fundamentals.

 

According to them, the interventions of 2007-2009 were required to ensure that “the markets could clear”, as Mr Warsh put it, while the second round of easing was done to satisfy “political masters” by monetising the debt. In fact, Mr Warsh said that the Fed was being actively unhelpful by “crowding in” Congress’s supposedly poor policy choices.

 

My first response is how can they can say this with historically-low U.S. treasury yields and muted inflation expectations? Surely, if the Fed were truly monetizing the debt we would be seeing a 1970s-repeat in the bond market, but we are not.  And this is happening, in part, because the Fed is not that big of a treasury purchaser.  Consider the figure below.  It shows the Fed’s stock of treasuries by remaining maturity compared to the total stock of marketable treasuries as of the end of October, 2012.

 

Though the Fed’s share of treasuries increases by remaining maturity, at most it hits 32% of the total for 10-30 years category. That means that after many months of Operation Twist that roughly 68% of long-term treasuries are still held outside the Fed. Overall, the Fed holds about 15% of marketable treasuries as seen in the “All Years” category.  It is hard to square these numbers with the allegations that the Fed is monetizing the debt.

Leaving aside the questions of whether:

  • the Fed’s share of the Treasury market will remain as low as it is now if other investors start heading for the hills;
  • the central bank’s intentions with respect to their securities holdings will remain the same if the economic, financial, political, or social landscape changes for the worse; or,
  • we can really know for sure that the debt has been monetized until after the fact;

the notion that current benign market conditions are a reason for optimism sums up just how out of touch with reality most academic economists (and other alleged experts, including journalists-cum-forecasters who parrot this nonsense) are.

By this sort of logic:

  • Mid-2005 was the right time to be optimistic on housing
  • January-2007 was the right time to be optimistic on the banking sector
  • The spring of 2007 was the right time to be optimistic on credit markets
  • The fall of 2007 was the right time to be optimistic on global equity markets
  • Mid-2008 was the right time to be optimistic on commodities
  • This past September was the right time to be optimistic on technology stocks

Of course, we know how those all worked out (hint: not well).

 


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Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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I bet the guy owns gold.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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DOW at 5k, coming to a shanty near you.

Whatever's left of your 401k is gonna get slaughtered next year.

"Oh I've got to be strong. I'm falling off the edge of the world.
Think you're safe but you're wrong. We. Are. Falling off the edge of the world!"
-Ronnie James Dio

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment oddjob
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I think you will appreciate this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Q-9GMyPgg

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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An assistant professor at a university in west Kentucky?

From Bumfuck Gulch to the bright lights of the Fed? An assistant professor can dream...

Oh please, almighty Bernank, save me from my dreary life in the dismal science.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Someday, 'round your fireside, with your grandson on your knee, he'll ask: "What did you do in the Great Depression II?" and you'll WILL have to say, Well... I shoveled shit for the Bernank in west Kentucky.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Someone with some understanding of planning fallacy would see that projections made by central planners (or ANYONE making plans) will always be WILDLY optimistic, with the real case tending to come in just a bit worse than the worst case scenario.

If central planners understood cognitive science, they might just realize the futility of their planning.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:10 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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"Quack economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics do to numbers what guards at Guantanamo did to prisoners. They rough them up so badly, they are ready to say anything..."

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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Raccoon, that is the way almost any job today goes. Play along with the insane asylum or get canned. The incentive is too strong.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:02 | Link to Comment mumcard
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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

This isn't a recent thing, it's been going on for quite some time.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 07:33 | Link to Comment gold-is-not-dead
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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Leopold B. Scotch
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... and the debt of Italy, Greece, Spain, etc. etc., was all pristine just a few short years ago, as well.... According to the yields.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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An assistant professor at a university in west Kentucky?

Believe it or don't but a lot of real talent doesn't want to play the big university games and just want to teach.  Larry LaFore and Dr. David Krein come to mind. Excellent historians who buried themselves by choice in small schools despite being recruited by the elites.


Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Then why make such blatantly propagandistic claims?  Wake me when the Fed sells it's toxic crap at par.  All academics must "play along" at some level, otherwise they don't get tenure.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:37 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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Actually, I think this guy is right - at least up until the point it won't matter anymore.

The Fed doesn't "print," rather it issues debt.  Debt based money is bifurcated.  There is an obligation portion and then there is a spendable currency portion.

The MBS QE is all about taking toxic assets from their criminal corporatocracy and replacinig it with cash at or near par.

One point of view is that the difference between the money paid out and the actual value of the toxic trash is "printed."

I would argue that this "printed" aspect is simply a temporary mirage - but one that could last for years and has the potential to have real consequences on the economy for years to come.  Or not - that all depends on the oligarch club plans.

I am convinced that the difference in value will be recognized at some future point and will be deemed debt owed to the Federal Reserve criminal cartel by the mostly wilful American debt serf class.  Why are we wilfull serfs to a large degree - because of all the mirages set up to fool us and keep us from recognizing the ultimate outcome of this financial Art of War campaign engineered to impoverish us so we can be more easily robbed and controlled.

When that day of recognition comes, "printed" will not suffice to describe it.  Weapons of Mass Debt will suffice, though - although most probably still won't get it, just like they didn't get that they were conned in the original "Roaring 20s / Great Depression" societal asset strippiing financial Art of War operation.

Because the debts are unpayable BY DESIGN...

Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

...society can never pay back these fraudulent debts.  However, the purpose of the debt money fraud will have already been accomplished by the time the debts are eventually zeroed out.  The oligarch front corporations will have asset stripped the majority of the remaining serf illusion of wealth and solidified their control over the traitorous national government "representatives" they finance and promote.

It's all a con.  The biggest misconception about the Fed is that they are legitimate and not a criminal cartel and the Trojan Horse being used by Big Finance Capital to bring down America to its knees and seize authoritarian control over it.

Must Reading:

Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley

http://archive.org/details/TragedyAndHope

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

Must Viewing:

The Ultimate History Lesson

https://www.tragedyandhope.com/th-films/the-ultimate-history-lesson/

Gatto Paraphrase: There was a second American Revolution in the late 1800s.  It wasn't won through force of arms, but through force of insight into how to create public opinion.

False Narratives "creating" public opinion:

1. The Fed has a dual mandate.  No, their mandate is singular and they've broken it for almost 3 decades.  Look it up the source document - "Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act" - and read it yourself.

2. The Fed is supposed to keep inflation low.  No, the Fed is supposed to keep prices stable with no inflation at all.  Again, read the source document referenced in #1.

3. Fluoridated water is a scientific marvel with a great cost/benefit ratio.  No, the "EPA scientists oppose water fluoridation."  Search the quoted text to find the NTEU link (s/b first link) to find out why and verify their source data.  Got dementia on the installment plan to generate Big Phosphate and Big Aluminum toxic waste sales profits and Big Pharma profits?

4. If they don't talka about the underlying math of a debt based monetary system, it will not hurt you.  No, it will bankrupt your nation, your community and very, very likely, you and yours as well.  In due time, of course - so don't expect it today - unless you were one of the thousands caught in the trap today...  more and more every day.  See the first link posted in this comment in order learn exactly how it works to enslave society to debt.

5. If they never discuss the fact it is legal for the "news" to lie to you in order to benefit those who finance/own/control their operations, then the "news" must be telling the truth as best they can with no hidden agenda.  At least "your news" - whatever false narrative a given person has fallen for.  No, the news media went to court to soldify their state sanctioned right to lie to the people all day long in order to serve their self interest at the expense of everyone else - including your children.

Unsettling Accounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw

That's just a smidge of the deception in play.

BTW, I agree on the control exerted over the mis-education system.  Nobody will ever teach the truth...  Debt Money Tyranny, to the students.  If they did, it would be the end of them.  Certaiin disagreement is allowed in order to further the agenda of "free ideas," but there are lines in the sand that few dare cross and there are "consequences and repercussions" (Eddie Murphy) if they do.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:54 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the fact that the debt market front runs the fed doesn't somehow make "the ownership rate" a meaningful indicator vis a vis monetization. in fact it makes it totally irrelevant. one could argue the Fed is SUCCESSFULLY monetizing the debt...but to claim they are not monetizing is already PROVEN TO BE FALSE by none other than Bill Dudley who heads the FRBNY and isn't sitting at a desk pontificating about "things" in Western Kentucky while all the coal mines shut down. anything is possible with markets as with people...obviously i'm not in the Dow 5,000 camp. I am in the "Government simply does not state the real rate of inflation" camp however. Prices have been galloping higher at a 10 percent clip going on two years now...eventually the market will sniff this out...which could cause a nasty price shock.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 01:09 | Link to Comment in4mayshun
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No kidding, I paid $10.99 for an 8 pack of polish dogs at the grocery store today.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 05:28 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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I think you've missed the point I was making.  "Monetizing the debt" means to issue money that will never be paid back in order to pay off the nation's debt.

All the money he's created over and above the value of the toxic trash WILL BE EXPECTED TO BE PAID OUT OF SOCIETY'S WEALTH AN LABOR - THEY JUST HAVEN'T MADE THAT CLEAR YET.

Oh, but they will.  In due time.  If society knew a pound of flesh would be required for these "bailouts" (well marketed thievery, in point of fact), they wouldn't allow them sittinig down.  Hence the charade that they won't eventually recognize those losses and DEMAND that they be covered by the schmoe citizenry.

That day is coming - bookmark this post if you must.

As I said, the debt is mathematically unpayable because this Debt Money Tyranny is a fraud engineered to bankrupt the host nation.

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Therefore, this debt that is being created to fund this QE theivery won't be paid off and then what is happening now will be understood as a kind of demonic "monetization" of the debt.  There is no need to worry - hyperinflation won't come until the nation has been asset stripped first.

This is a Sun Tzu Art of War campaign being waged against the entire planet by a few criminal Big Finance Capital types, some key lackies and various gullible populations.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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"All the money he's created over and above the value of the toxic trash WILL BE EXPECTED TO BE PAID OUT OF SOCIETY'S WEALTH AN LABOR - THEY JUST HAVEN'T MADE THAT CLEAR YET."

 

Until default. Enough said as it ends the debate.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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You are joking right?

"They can say this with historically-low U.S. treasury yields and muted inflation expectations? Surely, if the Fed were truly monetizing the debt we would be seeing a 1970s-repeat in the bond market, but we are not."

 

Apparently this Professor, and I will assume a PhD, a degree in theoretical crap, hasn't considered that with so much debt, that all the monetization, all stimulus through QE whatever, is simply fighting severe deflation of deleveraging that debt of Trillions.

 

This professor is a perfect candidate for the head of  the FRB, IMF, Global Bank or the US Treasury. An assinine individual that I would personally like to kick in the ass just so he can meet reality with my foot up his ass instead of his liberal left wing fantasy world.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Kitler
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And others are there simply because they can't cut it. Beckworthless is one of those...

The Wall Street Examiner November 20, 2012 5:53 PM

OK. So over the past week, the Fed closed on $60 billion in MBS purchases from the Primary Dealers. At the same time, the Treasury floated $45 billion in unscheduled Cash Management Bills, for which the Primary Dealers were almost the exclusive buyers.

Each month the Treasury floats about $70-80 billion in net new debt. Each month the Fed closes on the purchases of about $70-80 billion of MBS from the Primary Dealers, who then use that cash to fulfill their obligation to purchase the new Treasury debt.

But the Fed isn't monetizing the debt. No sirree Bob. No it's not. Why not? Because you said so. And you're an economics professor. That's why.

Lee Adler
The Wall Street Examiner
http://wallstreetexaminer.com

Way to go Lee.

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Indeed Kitler! There is more than one way to monetize a debt and the Fed sure knows how to get the job done without appearing to be the direct buyer of the US debt issuances.

Just let the Fed step aside completely and see what happens to the market for US debt, if they were not in there with their billions every month helping to get those bonds sold via the backdoor, then what happens? Disaster of epic proportions.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 23:08 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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aging boomers explains the "front running" better in my view. am i calling it a bubble? no way. but has the Fed push prices far higher and yields far lower than they otherwise should be? in my view ABSOLUTELY. Sorry but equity premiums don't just "come about." and they come about through massive counter-cyclical fiscal and monetary policies, bailouts, dollar debauching and lying about actual inflation while stating it as a policy goal. leaving aside the price of gold for second all we need to do is look at this price right here: http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/11/lumber-prices-are-on-the-rise-as-homebu... lumber? in North America? You know how much timber is actually available for use in our so called housing recovery? the word "infinity" comes to mind! hell they use wood chips to generate electricity in New Hampshire! and of course for all the naysayers "here's a stock price to go with it": http://seekingalpha.com/symbol/hd?source=search_general&s=hd. that's home depot folks. up over 100 percent in ONE YEAR. i'm sorry are they selling something that Wal Mart isn't? ONLY LUMBER.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Just because the author is a Bernanke acolyte doesn't mean the school isn't a fine institution.

However, Western Kentucky University is oddly: "Located atop one of the highest points in Southcentral Kentucky." I suppose the Southern University of Central Kentucky was a bit long and would have had an unfortunate acronym.

Also, using the term Bumfuck Gulch was a mistake. A more appropriate term (in jest) would be Bumfuck Knob.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 23:25 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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 Stupornova- Let me guess... You live in NYC, Chicago, LA, DC? Good lord! Get out a bit more. You might be surprised that the rest of the country isn't a bunch of bumpkins. Most CEOs and business leaders actually went to smaller schools. Most of the media and politicos went to the ivy schools. I actually moved here from NY years ago, and never regret it. Oh, by the way, just got in from Chicago, spent the holiday grazing Michigan Ave. I saw more BUMs there than I have ever  seen in my part of the world. The new scam is they beg for money with their young kids with them- disgusting passing on of values. WKU is not near my neck of the woods, but I was there for my daughter to receive a Duke University TIP award last year. They have a very well regarded gifted student/honors program. Do a little research before saying stupid nonsense. I long for the days when ZH didn't have so many zeros such as yourself leaving assinine comments. Are you the ghost of Harry Wanger???

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Missiondweller
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Yep, and the Dow/ Gold ratio will be 1 once again as it has every 18-20 years.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:38 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment CunnyFunt
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This winter is the right time to be optimistic on toilet paper.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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No. Corn cobs.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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That dude needs to give his degree back and take up ditch digging,

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment BeetleBailey
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...or muck out horse stalls at the local track.

 

Better yet.....clean the public restrooms - lots of those need attention.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Tinky
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Restrooms at the track? They're actually quite nice at Arlington; too bad the racing in Chicago has sucked for about the last 25 years.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:04 | Link to Comment thomasincincy
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hawthorne is a fun track to play. would like to visit sometime

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:08 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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My attempt at humor: You mean he's not trying to help dig the ditch deeper and deeper now?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBoner_
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Ditch digging?

But that's honest work. This clown is totally unqualified for honest work.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment CH1
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or window breaking.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment knukles
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Or colonic cleansing

http://coloncleansingpro.com/

 

(Look, it is California, for shit's sake)

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:01 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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The world needs ditch diggers, too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiRGRvE_Wqg

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment vinayjha
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The hope rally will continue till bubble burst itself.

http://www.freefdawatchlist.com/2012/11/upcoming-fda-approval-in-decembe...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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All those new drugs that noone can afford, all designed to save people, insuring we have more useless eaters.  This should turn out well.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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"Feeling down? Take this pill. It'll cheer ya right up, pal."

"Okay."

*cue lifetime of enslavement to bigPharma*

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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I'm optimistic about a cold, Blue Moon harvest pumpkin ale.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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If you haven't yet, please try the Hobgoblin ale from Wychwood brewery (UK). One of the tastiest beers ever for wintertime.

Their motto even goes "Afraid you might taste something, Lagerboy?" ;)

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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skateboarder is your dow 5k call predicated on the fed bailing out of QE and letting markets clear or do you think the market finally throws in the towel somehow even with him pumping massive amounts of morphene into it?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment stant
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well here in ky we tend to get optomistic after a bit of burbon. but he must be chasing it with moonshine

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment IndicaTive
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I usually end up buying some overpriced silver on ebay after a bit of burbon. 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Bohm Squad
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...you're not alone.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 08:13 | Link to Comment General Decline
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It may be over priced now...

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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Until the fed sells the crap it purchased, it has monetized the US debt period.

Most alcoholics, I mean, academics, assume the fed as a given. A good academician would look at the behavior of the fed, competition (or lack thereof) in the financial intermediation industry and the rationality of a fiat currency in questioning a system that has a "fed" in the first place.

western kentucky (aka methland) indeed (still better than "haved" u) 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Martdin
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Lehman is fine, housing isn't in a bubble, dotcom boom etc... Stop me if I'm going in the wrong direction.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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"We needn't worry about those icebergs, because the Titanic is unsinkable."

FED intervention is just that, INTERVENTION.  How do you have a market with intervention?

When the FED and CONgress intervened to prop markets and reward the shadow banking system for their skullduggery they prevented any clearing of the market.

Why can't these fools see the simple facts?

Do they really believe this cotton candy spun fairy tale that the FED saved anyone or anything other than the bankers?

Their heads are very far down the hole.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Wake me when just one academic economic institution or economic institute has just one experimental physicist on staff.  Fuck the mother fucking paper-pushers of all flavors.  They add nothing of real fucking value and their "science" is not grounded in reality.  That which cannot be sustained, won't be.  Hedge accordingly.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Physicists tend to be off thinking their fancy mathematics apply to everything, including derivative fueled debt obligations, like the ones that created this mess. What you just asked for is the root of the problem. This is why I have never agreed with anything you have ever said on matters of economics, because you do not know a damn thing, and are just as clueless as the Keynesian morons.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment sumo
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He said experimental physicist, the hardware guys who love to get things done, who respect data and listen to what it tells them.

What he asked for - smart people who respect reality - is not the root of the problem.

Fail. Try again.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 03:19 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Hardly so, the Quantitative guys you are speaking about are the same morons that continually support and uphold this idea of Mathematical Economics. If you knew half of what you profess that I am ignorant about you would be aware that this is the majority of the problem. Economics shouldn't be based on mathematical models. Humans do not conform to mathematical systems in any way shape or form.

 

Not that I would expect any layperson to understand this situation beyond the typical oh the guy doing experiments has to be right, because his experiments could never come to conclusions with falsified or circumstantial evidence, nope never...

Nevermind that that sort of behavior tends to ruin people's lives.

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:56 | Link to Comment augustus caesar
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They've been trying to apply the approach of experimental physics to economics for years. It doesn't work. The only principles from physics that have been any use in the field of economics have been chaos theory / stochastic modeling and even then the results have been hit or miss. Compare the sound, logical reasonings of Adam Smith to the vaguely mathematical musing of the Krugmanites and you tell me who has a better grip on the situation. Ask yourself, are today's economists using the mathematical tricks borrowed from quantum physics to come up with better predictions, or are they engaging in obfuscation in order to keep the grant money coming in. HFT algorithms? A lot of experimental physics and mathematics Ph.D's worked on those.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment sumo
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Experimental physicists worthy of the name would not touch that shite.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 00:16 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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As far as I can tell economics was invented because some sociologists want to pretend they are scientists.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 03:20 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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It's actually the other way around. Economics came first.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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If you like to see bankers getting their heads chopped off:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Atlantis Consigliore
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Abadee Abadee What did the ANAL-ysts say? buy buy buy?

How about Berflunky and his prostates?  Condoes real estate subprime is in control all is well. 2007  yee ha.

 

http://youtu.be/wcW_Ygs6hm0

ooh ooh, theres my Realtor now,  hes still long real estate in Florida, Illinois and Vegas.  yeee  haaaaa!

 

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Bárðarbunga
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Dear Junk Monkey,

We all appeciate your continued dedication to the matter of giving everyone down arrows. It is a service much appreciated.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:15 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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...and not bothering to write anything in response.

SEC or Treasury Department wankers with nothing better to do?

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment DavidC
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That article wasn't written by Jeffrey Sachs, using a pseudonym, was it?

DavidC

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 21:49 | Link to Comment sumo
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There is a priceless british TV segment on youtube with Hugh Hendry and Jeffrey Sachs, recorded a few years ago.

Hendry is telling Sachs that Greece is a looming problem and is going to blow up. Sachs' facial expression:  WTF? Greece? no-one in my personal circle of superior thinkers has mentioned a problem with Greece!

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment AllWorkedUp
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The academics don't know because they've never worked in a non gov't related job. They've never experienced the ups and downs of a business environment nor have they ever had to fear a layoff. So, through their eyes, Beckworth and his cronies think things are peachy, no problems with their pensions or benefits - yet. They live in a bubble without competition.

  I'm really at the point where I hope things go to shit. These meatheads need to know what it's like to struggle.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Benjamin Glutton
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2000 was the right time for Bush to steal the POTUS....oh and sprinkle in deficits don't matter Cheney.

 

idiot fail.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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For your sake I hope you have a drug and/or alcohol problem.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment woggie
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the beast is on the gobble
and all that matters is we're all headed for it's belly
http://youtu.be/ntmthFyaYzY

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:19 | Link to Comment kill switch
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I'll bet you get a free bowl of soup when you meet that fucking guy,,,,,,Deos he get out much after four???

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:44 | Link to Comment GCT
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This article lost me.  The darn thing looks like a big circle jerk to me with we the people in the middle on the hook for it.  If the Fed did not buy tresuries and in turn create credit would this not collapse?  The Fed is creating credit correct for the government to spend?  Sounds like monetizing something to me.  If the Fed did not do this would the banks not have collapsed? 

I am lost.  Maybe one of you fine commenters could elighten me.  This clearly looks like they are monetizing our government, which in turn the government spends, creating deficits.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:55 | Link to Comment lotsoffun
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don't be lost.  the nice boy is doing what is calling 'rubbing up'.  he's an assistant professor.  one day - he's hoping to get a job with??  with??  the fed.  wouldn't be possible if he told the truth, now would it?  really?

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:45 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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I would say about 90% of the people I run into on a daily basis are out of touch, including my fellows economists and students/teachers of the profession.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Being Free
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Though the Fed’s share of treasuries increases by remaining maturity, at most it hits 32% of the total for 10-30 years category.

CLOSE SHOT –– Uncle Billy and bank teller at the window.

UNCLE BILLY (still chuckling)
Good morning, Horace.

Uncle Billy hands the bank book over. The teller opens it, starts
to punch it with rubber stamps.

TELLER
I guess you forgot something.

UNCLE BILLY
Huh?

TELLER
You forgot something.

UNCLE BILLY
What?

TELLER
Well, aren't you going to make a deposit?

UNCLE BILLY
Sure, sure I am.

TELLER
Well, then . . it's usually customary to bring the money with
you.

UNCLE BILLY
Oh, shucks . . .

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:00 | Link to Comment The Count
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Couple things (and I am an economist):

1) Nobody knows the future. Any 'predictions/analysis' that is years out is just plain nonsense.

2) 90 percent of economists pull the exact kind of papers out of their ass that their boss' want.

3) Humans in general hate the unkown and prefer to be spoon fed total crap for news instead of just accepting that some things cannot be foretold.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:08 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Yeah, the fed is right...Infinite debt and US treasury buying is great until it isn't.

Your Keynesian leader is always right.  

 

2005:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/26/AR200510...

Bernanke: There's No Housing Bubble to Go Bust

Ben S. Bernanke does not think the national housing boom is a bubble that is about to burst, he indicated to Congress last week, just a few days before President Bush nominated him to become the next chairman of the Federal Reserve.

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Fezter
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I'm going long on Dewars

 

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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"Deficits don't matter." That's so 80's.

 

21st Century: Budgets don't matter.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment chinaboy
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That's how you get yourself  kept on tenure track? Academic corruption indeed.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Ben needs to monetize faster; the deflationary depression is way ahead of him.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment SmoothCoolSmoke
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Lots of "out of touch" idiots just left their 401ks untouched in from June 2008 thru March 2009.  They really do not look that dumb today. 

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 06:06 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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The Bernank's "Mr. Bubble" bath. Wait till the bubbles clear.

Raw sewage.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Leopold B. Scotch
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... and the debt of Italy, Greece, Spain, etc. etc., was all pristine just a few short years ago, as well.... According to the yields.

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