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Just A Reminder...

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As you glare hopefully at the critical 1400 level on the S&P 500, we thought a gentle reminder of that vertically challenged relative performance of economic fundamentals would be worthwhile...



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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:48 | 3012319 FoolsAdvice
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pfft! Are economic fundamentals still relevant? 

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:53 | 3012333 vast-dom
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more importantly, do you trust those "fundamentals"? bc those too are goosed by QE. shift ECRI to 600 and actual SP to around 600-700 and you get the true fundamentals.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:53 | 3012339 El Viejo
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That divergence sort of smacks of lack of fundamentals. Bubblicious!

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:58 | 3012357 quintago
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I get it. The ECRI indicator is off. 

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:01 | 3012364 vast-dom
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correct. it is exhibiting now classic horizontal QE induced levitation. put another way: spot the other case of prolonged horizontal levitation -- hint: you can't. this means ultra-synthetic float will at some point break down. but what the hell do i know?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:03 | 3012372 Sylvia Plath
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".. but the market can also stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:07 | 3012391 francis_sawyer
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Still waiting for the 'Quadruple Evel Knievel Formation' to emerge...

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:08 | 3012395 vast-dom
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the 200 pt divergence is similar to 2009 dip.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:11 | 3012401 Hugh_Jorgan
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Except the duration...

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:13 | 3012406 vast-dom
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QE = float = duration. 


battle between forces of market mendacity vs. reality, with the former winning, for now...

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:16 | 3012412 francis_sawyer
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Delta = "time for banksters to convert their year end bonuses [grazie a taxpayers] to PHYZZ ~ MINUS, commission paid to coke dealers & Ukranian hookers" = Duration...

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:23 | 3012435 RockRiver
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.....and then we buy!

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 20:22 | 3012953 Mike in GA
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And I got the bruises that prove that!

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:52 | 3012705 Stoploss
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Quick!! Throw a live chicken in it's mouth!!

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:07 | 3012382 Global Hunter
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Furthermore stocks are priced/valued using an assumption of continual growth into perpetuity (90s style), when in fact there has been no growth to speak of since 2008.  We'll need to use lower multiples on those "fundamentals" that you rightly question.  Perhaps you're being too optimistic with a 600-700 SP valuation :)

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:09 | 3012396 FoolsAdvice
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"These aren't the economic fundamentals you're looking for..." <hand wave>

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:31 | 3012455 vast-dom
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who blows up the Bernanke Death Star?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:31 | 3012626 GMadScientist
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Mr. Panos

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:06 | 3012388 JPM Hater001
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Don't confuse market fundamentals with economic fundamentals.  Supply and demand will always prevail.  Thge markets may just skew the economics up for a while.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:21 | 3012431 resurger
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i thought technicals were O_0


Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:50 | 3012327 slaughterer
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Fight the fed in the name of fundamentals.  

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:04 | 3012379 JPM Hater001
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I'm fighting the Fed in the name of Farah Faucet.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:16 | 3012417 dugorama
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one more time:

fight the power

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:50 | 3012329 nmewn
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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:50 | 3012331 HaroldWang
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AAPL crushing shorts again today. Some things don't make sense but a stock that got manipulated down to super cheap levels was a no brainer to buy. AAPL holding losses in check with its strength today.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:52 | 3012335 Gypsyducks
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If $515/share is "super cheap" what is $415/share?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:55 | 3012344 SmallerGovNow2
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Still over price IMHO...

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:51 | 3012509 HaroldWang
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We all have our opinions but AAPL still has amazing growth and funds that sold on the way down are chasing it up furiously. The story is still intact and momo chasers will try to test the 700 high again. Can't believe how many negatives that very truthful statement received. Grumpy bears??

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:49 | 3012690 TWSceptic
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dead cat bounce.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:57 | 3012736 LooseLee
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Are you the new ZH ROBOTARD?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:32 | 3012630 GMadScientist
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A $100 loss.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:57 | 3012352 CPL
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Wait for the Apple buy back when it's back under 10 bucks.  Then it'll be a cheap short.


Like the last time Steve Jobs left...and the time before that...and the time before that.  This time though, Jobs ain't coming back to steer the ship in the proper direction.  The assclowns running the company are repeating, play by play the exact same mistakes as last time.


Keep your gun in the holster for a bit.  They are just stocks...nothing important about them anymore or the accidental risk of profit.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:52 | 3012695 cossack55
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So, you are unaware of "channeled" holograms. Stevie isn't deleted, he is in reset.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:33 | 3012459 q99x2
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AAPL middle men are down to sueing competitors to try to make a buck these days. It's over Rover.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:00 | 3012532 centerline
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Unless they have invented anti-gravity or something else reverse-engineered from UFOs they are in trouble.  The current tech is out there solid with the competition.  What they have going for them it seems is holding people's licensing information hostage.  lol.  Folks should know better than to run single-source.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 19:22 | 3012793 Zero Govt
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..and the competition (cough) to Apple have what going for them precisely?

Microshit is so far behind Apple you need binoculars to see them

..meanwhile the GOOn squad are swimming in red ink selling their crap at a loss ...Priceless

any of you anti-Apple Einsteins got a leg to stand on put it on a postcard to:

Reggie's Desperate Last Stand, Monopolist Matrix Central, Shit & Bust. 

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:03 | 3012332 razorthin
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That divergence you are looking at is pure inflation.  The curves taken together, show classic stagflation.  In the past, prices reverted to the fundamentals.  This time really is different since we have a printfest like never before.  Prices will not revert unless the $US gains nominal value.  What are the chances of that?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:53 | 3012336 TheCanadianAustrian
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Am I the only one that doesn't give a urine-bisected shit about the S&P 500?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:53 | 3012338 Levadiakos
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Got to create a left shoulder somewhere

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:53 | 3012340 Jonas Parker
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"Fundamentals? We don' need no steenkin' fundamentals!"

                                                                   Ben Bernake

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:54 | 3012342 I am more equal...
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read any good fiction lately?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:32 | 3012634 GMadScientist
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Every time I hit refresh.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:56 | 3012349 faustian bargain
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naw man, just shift the green line down by 2 grid hashmarks and you'll clearly see the S&P has been underperforming for the past 4 years. (/sarc)

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 16:58 | 3012359 SheepDog-One
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What's 'critical' about S&P 1400? I remember when 'critical' level was 1000 only a short time ago. Bunch of hogwash, like tinsel on a unicorn its all just bullshit.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:06 | 3012390 Boilermaker
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What's critical about a 200 day average?  What about 50 days?

What the *#$&@ does that have to do with the actual value of an equity at any given point in time?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 19:05 | 3012748 SheepDog-One
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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:06 | 3012365 slaughterer
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The green lines look like Maria's tits.

The red lines like Erin's tits.

Waiting for the two to meet.

Or maybe both girls grow a 3rd tit?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:07 | 3012545 Shigure
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Three tits? That's awesome!

Paul 2011: 3 Tits That's Awesome - YouTube

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 20:08 | 3012931 Milestones
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On the back of course! Gotta have a place to hank on to when dancing.           Milestones

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:03 | 3012368 Boilermaker
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Wow, now that's an IN YO FACE BERNAKE SPECIAL close!

89 degrees straight up!

I never thought they could do that.  I didn't learn the first 832 times already.  I'll have to wait for the next "tomorrow is the day they *might* stop this shit and the bottom will fall out" post.  Should be arriving momentarily.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:02 | 3012369 SheepDog-One
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AH dont worry, they'll just ramp the shit in futures if need be...who really cares?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:05 | 3012381 slaughterer
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Major Fedage on the podium tomorrow.  

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:05 | 3012383 Boilermaker
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Are you still staunch in your 'The FED has to sell eventually and can't do this forever' position?

Guess what...they can.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:12 | 3012394 ekm
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Fed is under orders from WH + Congress.

And the answer is: No they can't. They meaning WH + Congress.


The reason: The more securities they buy, the higher the unemployement in the financial sector.

QE3 looks good for big banks in surface only, but it's a dealth hole for financial jobs.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:13 | 3012407 Boilermaker
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As long as they can print, e-print, digitize, or otherwise conjure up money and have the primary dealers to buy equities AND refuse an audit AND the SEC and CFTC are COMPLICIT....they can do WHATEVER THE F&*# THEY WANT TO DO.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:19 | 3012426 ekm
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The only way to PRINT is to BUY. When they buy, they remove securities from the market. Hence, the more they buy, the less need to have traders employed; not much left to trade.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:26 | 3012443 Boilermaker
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Which is why they trade with each other with magic money.

They can do it all day long and all day strong.

I'm quite sure they don't give a shit about the actual 'traders' futures or fortunes.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:58 | 3012741 ekm
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Agree. Anyone else is not need. Show them the door.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:27 | 3012449 riphowardkatz
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700 trillion in dervitives aren't too shabby

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:58 | 3012739 ekm
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Derivatives are traded face to face mostly. You don't need trading desks for those.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 20:10 | 3012933 hairball48
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Nothing lasts "forever", and that includes the Fed's printing operation. Confidence in the US$ is going to fail at some point...and even though I'm an old man, I believe I'll be around to see the "crack-up boom" as Mises put it :)

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:05 | 3012385 PUD
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just need to seasonally adjust the red line...problem solved

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:06 | 3012386 ZippyBananaPants
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So who's tits would you rather have slowly dragged across your face?  That is all I want to know.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:19 | 3012425 SmallerGovNow2
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keep that banana in your pants where it belongs....

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:06 | 3012389 scatterbrains
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I was thinking 1250ish on SPX at a minimum but based on this chart it seems the SPX always overshoots the ECRI to the downside before any base is put in. Looks to me like if the SPX corrects back to ECRI and then overshoots (like it has the last 3 times) then the down side target on SPX should be closer to 1100ish.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:08 | 3012392 Boilermaker
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Is that FREE advice?  Oh man...I knew I read these comments for a reason!


Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:32 | 3012457 scatterbrains
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and I also belive that this 1750 area in gold is marking the top of it's counter-trend move  higher and will now roll over and take stocks down hard with it... but all in context of a bull market with many years to go.


Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:41 | 3012486 Boilermaker
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I think the Pacers will cover tonight and the over will come in.  Wait....yea, I'm sure of it.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:12 | 3012405 Chuck Norris
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This is all SOOO over my head.  Just tell me which one to buy.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:13 | 3012408 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Quick!  Everyone purchase 10 yr USts yielding 1.6% nominally! Nevermind the premium nor inflation!  Do it in the name of fundamentals!!

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:15 | 3012411 fonzannoon
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i am just waiting for the first day that cnbc tells me at 8:30am where the market is going to finish that day. it's coming soon. i was against it at first but now i just don't give a shit anymore.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:18 | 3012422 Boilermaker
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Can we just move forward and start jacking the futures higher?

Jesus...all this talk and conjecture.  Let's back to defrauding my 4 year old's future and, more importantly, handing over his yet-to-be-earned earnings.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:19 | 3012423 Texas Fold-em
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Lies, damn lies and scaling errors.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:19 | 3012427 resurger
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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:23 | 3012439 EARLPEARL
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i have been reading zero hedge for 4 years now and it has made me a MILLIONAIRE....I WAS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:17 | 3012567 samcontrol
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that is what you get for shorting the vix, 'mmmmm. uvxy, tvix?

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:35 | 3012650 GMadScientist
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You should convert those Yen.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:35 | 3012467 q99x2
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Interesting that the graphs seperate at about the time, through casual observance, I detected the FED was fully hotwired into, and took over, the markets.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 17:41 | 3012485 wagthetails
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and entire year?  i guess that is the new normal, permenant decoupling.  in 10 years they'll be teaching young investors that the S&P is always 15% above the fundementals. 

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:16 | 3012563 Hallpass2012
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the only fundamentals that can consistently make you millions is following the price of an underlying security... the price is the fundamentals....

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:18 | 3012572 chump666
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It's a HFT gamed market, if you haven't worked that out you should probably not trade in the market.  But, it will blow, the valuation spread to earnings + the machines re-adjustments of the moving averages + messy profit taking will send this thing down one way or other.

When?  F*ck knows...but there are some good clues, Asia has to sell (Japan/HK sans China), fat DXY bids, like 85+, commodities collapsing once again and my fav...War and chaos.

Mon, 11/26/2012 - 18:43 | 3012669 EscapingProgress
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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 19:16 | 3012773 one_fell_swoop
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Mon, 11/26/2012 - 20:50 | 3013016 mccoyspace
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Well obviously this time it's different.

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